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Post in this thread to share your current Bible reading progress and to be accountable before others in your study of scripture.
I have just finished Genesis, Matthew, and Mark.
I'm just curious to hear your guys story, how and what did God do and give you to finally defeats your bad habits and the such (I don't have any files really so here's a random image)
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Talk about 'WHOLESOME' shows and 'WHOLESOME' cute waifus.
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Posts advocating for yuri/shota (aka homosex) and other degenerate animes are NOT allowed.
CHRIST IS RISEN!
Happy Easter!
Hey anons. After a long while in the desert outside of Christianity and God I've decided to climb my way out and begin reading The Bible and attempting to study theology and spirituality again. One of the art forms that's given me a sense of meaning throughout my life has been film. I've heard of some classic cinema that's Christian themed, but the only director who's discussed the faith has been Ingmar Bergman with Seventh Seal.
I really enjoy getting personal recommendations from people but I also love the charts people make for different subjects so I'm curious to see if there are any /christian/ film charts as well. So yeah, any recommendations for stuff to watch while I'm embarking on my spiritual journey would be incredibly appreciated! Thanks for the consideration, guys.
Ever since shortly after I left the church of Rome I have been drawn to the Reformed tradition as the traditional and scholarly wing of the fundamentalist movement. Calvinist theologians have been at the forefront of defining (such as in The Fundamentals or the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy) and giving the reasons (presuppositional apologetics, Reformed epistemology) for our faith in an age of "reason". I was blessed especially by the ministry of Dr. James White, especially in his book the Potter's Freedom (which I highly recommend) in showing me the doctrines of grace, though the Reformed tradition is much more than the 5 points of Calvinism. To give a short answer, the reason why I'm Reformed is because I believe everything the bible says. I would think it would be simple to just believe everything God said, but apparently the vast majority of people (even Christians today) find it very difficult.
The TULIP acrostic is much younger than the doctrines it represents, and even those 5 points were first formally stated as such in the 17th century at the Synod of Dort. But while they can cause confusion (especially the L) the doctrines have been taught since the beginning of the Reformation, and much earlier than that. Since by far the most popular argument against the doctrines of grace is the strawman fallacy, I want to explain each point to you and help you see that you may just believe them already.
>Total Depravity
This does NOT mean that men are as bad as they possibly could be. In fact, unbelievers are sometimes so showered in common grace that we perceive them as being "better" than many Christians. What this doctrine does mean is that there is no kernel of good hidden deep within man that enables him to cooperate with the grace of God, but that he is according to nature so far gone that he would never, under any circumstances, under his own volition reconcile with his creator and submit to the rule of God, so that when he does so it is a true divine miracle changing the direction of his heart with as much force as would change the trajectory of the earth. For "there is none who does good, no one who seeks after God, no not even one".
>Unconditional Election
This doctrine is very literally named, as it means that those blessed few among the great crowd of evil whom God shall save have not been chosen (or "elected") because they rose above and satisfied some condition of being so (such as accruing merit and avoiding mortal sin, or choosing to embrace the gospel message) but only because of the good pleasure of God, who has mercy on whom He will have mercy according to His plans to the praise of His glorious grace. It does not mean His selection is arbitrary, but the reasons for His determination are never that the elect merited salvation more than the reprobate. Often this doctrine is criticized as embodying pride, or as giving the Calvinist sinful pride. Nothing could be more scandalous or further from the truth. For I know that I am absolutely no better than the reprobate, and there was nothing about me which made me more desirable than the reprobate, but I can look at every single one of them as they march happily into the maw of hell screeching their hatred of God and say "there go I but for the grace of God".
>Limited Atonement
This is perhaps the least well understood doctrine, regrettably in large part due to its unfortunate naming to create the TULIP acrostic. The limitation which is referenced is not one of efficiency but of scope, that is, Christ's death was certainly sufficient to save all men who will ever exist, but it was not His intention do so. But this doctrine is much more about what Christ has accomplished than what He has not. To deny this doctrine is to deny that Christ saved those for whom He died, and to assert that His sacrifice merely enabled them to be saved by some other convoluted means, which seems a much more pernicious limitation. For what this doctrine really means is that Christ accomplished the salvation of the elect upon the cross, so that every one of them can say "I have been crucified with Christ. It is now not I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me". Can the reprobate say this? Can he climb up on the parapets of hell, scream out his hatred of God, and say "I have been crucified with Christ"? Was it for a nameless, faceless mass of humanity that Christ died, to enable them to save themselves if they so desired, or did the Son of God love me and give Himself for me?
>Irresistible Grace
This doctrine is also named literally, as it means that the grace of God cannot be resisted by the elect, that is, they do not have the power to reject His powerful resurrecting grace, but the Spirit changes their hearts to make of them sons of God. They are a new creation, not the same wicked creature which once despised his maker, but they are freed from slavery to sin, so that they may flee with tears to the mercy of Christ, and kneel without hesitation to His Lordship. This is what the Lord meant when He said, "you must be born again".
>Perseverance of the Saints
The meaning of this is that those whom God has invested His grace into shall not be spoiled, but provide a return. It is the promise of hope and surety of salvation for those who have the Spirit of God, that He will keep us and never throw us back into the darkness, but "He is the down payment of our salvation". How could they ever fall away when He is the one who sustains them and has raised them higher than Adam was, for "none can snatch them out of my hand"?
Thread for discussing and sharing literature relevant to the Christian faith.
I bought a copy of The Pilgrim's Progress, I read it years ago in high school and I really wanted to go through it again without staring at a PDF, and it makes for good reading before bed. I had no idea there was a part two in the story as well, where after Christian makes it to the Celestial City his wife and children go on their own journey to it as well. Apparently in high school we only ever read part one.
What have you been reading lately?
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Matthew 22
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 'On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.'
Galatians 5
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'
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the music thread is gone so I'm posting these by themselves instead. At my assembly today it was reminded that ALL the law is fulfilled and HANGS on the commandment of love. How much do we make sure we're right with the law and doing the right thing and we ignore the actual focus of God and his will from the beginning his commandment. Death experiences have told us of the great love when in the light of God. Many of us have known moments when we have been put in front of God's love and how much we want to live in it forever and how much we will live in it forever.
Please don't let this one die.
>Have been hankerin' for gummi-candy for a week or so now.
>Bought four bags earlier this day.
>Find pic-related.
What do /christian/?
Didn't see one active, so I decided to make one. Reply with your prayer requests and I will include them in my daily prayers and when I go to Mass. Other anons are encouraged to do the same.
I am from Romania and there is no translation of the septuagint bible into romanian made after 1914.
The septuagint bible is imo better than the masoretic one as it contains more than whatever the bare essentials were considered by the curators of the masoretic one.
There have been BIG changes in romanian dictionaries and lexicons so much so that I can only really understand 4/5 words/expressions.
I have made a promise to myself when I was a kid, to never read a book until I have read the bible from cover to cover.
I intend to fulfill that promise to myself even if regretably I can't find any half decent translations of it into romanian (so that I can promote it to people to read it themselves and to know what they are actually standing for as christians).
So what are some decent translations of the septuagint bible in english?
Questions that don't deserve their own thread.
You know the drill. Questions that deserve their own thread go in their own threads. Questions that don't go here.
I decided for this Lent to avoid browsing imageboards.
What did you for this Lent?
I also wish you a Happy Easter.
Hello Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Like many of you I myself am struggling with pornography addiction and have been trying to beat this illness for the better part of 3 years now. I'm dedicating this thread to all my other brothers in arms out there who are fighting the good fight against the wiles of the devil, Lucifer, and his legion of degeneracy he throws our way.
I'll be using this thread as both a catalogue of my own experiences, so that they may be used by others for their own benefit, and as a place to store, discuss, and share data, tips, and motivation so as to help us addicts overcome our desire so that we may enjoy life as God intended with clarity of mind and spirit.
It's Holy Week (in the Western church) brothers. Four days until the Passion of our Lord. Are we doing anything to commemorate it?
Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
If you truly love your children you don't let them do whatever they want and agree with everything they say. You are disciplinary if needed because you don't want to see them go a self-destructive path.
Ever since the hippy 60s movement I feel like people assume love means blind worship and acceptance.
I think love is motherly kindness and fatherly righteousness.
Love your enemy doesn't mean to let evil have its way but rather to show them light and use force if needed.
vid unrelated.
ITT: post resources and advice for refuting the Jewish religion and demonstrating that the Christian religion is the religion of the Tanakh.
Real Messiah youtube channel (Rev. Dr. Michael Brown answers Jewish objections to Jesus): https://youtube.com/c/RealMessiah/videos
Particularly good vid from the above, "Psalm 22 does not speak of death by crucifixion" https://youtu.be/5QdbLUKhVcE
One For Israel youtube channel (Israeli Christians make arguments and counter-arguments against Judaism, also many testimonies from Jewish converts to Christianity) https://youtube.com/c/ONEFORISRAEL
Some personal tips for evangelizing Jews from my own experience: firstly recognize that the Jews come in a few categories. Jewish atheists are not relevant to this thread, they should be dealt with as any other atheist. Some Jews will view Jesus as a wise rabbi, most who oppose you will view Him as a sorcerer (this should not surprise you as we see much the same division between the unbelieving Jews in the gospels). Some Jews will be more or less informed about their religion and ours, but the ones to watch out for are those (typically orthodox but probably at least conservative) who are highly educated on this topic and make it their mission to oppose you, the counter-missionaries. You ought to be well read yourself in theology and the Old Testament before you argue with them. Isaiah 53 is generally not the best place to start, not because it is a weak point for us or that it does not actually point to Jesus but because the counter-missionaries can reply to it in their sleep, you won't get anywhere by getting the opposition to rehearse. Your best bet is to 1. demonstrate the inconsistencies of the Jewish religion with the Old Testament scriptures and 2. hit on lesser known Messianic prophecies which are clearly fulfilled in Jesus. For example of point 1 the fact the Jews have no priests and offer no sacrifice, yet this is the foundation of biblical religion. They will respond to this in two ways, they will attack this biblical truth by attempting to set certain scriptures which denigrate sacrifices and which especially exalt repentance against the scriptures which require sacrifice. Answer by pointing out how men always offered sacrifice to God even before Abraham, as Cain and Abel did. Explain the failure of their interpretation of the other scriptures, for example how the blood of goats and calves was indeed worth little, the only fit offering was that of the Son of God Himself. The other attack they make is to boldly dismiss the necessity of sacrifice out of hand by boldly asserting that sin offerings were only for unintentional sins, this particular response can be cut down with the mere citation of Leviticus 16, but if they persist you should exegete that scripture to keep them from twisting it.
An example of point 2 is how scripture repeatedly prophesied that He would convert the gentiles e.g. Micah 4. This is a particularly good argument for us gentiles, because we can cite the example of our ancestors who once worshipped false gods whom we have long since forgotten. There have been many false messiahs and the Jews will agree with this, they never did anything like fulfill this prophecy, so how can Jesus be a false Messiah when through Him I now worship the Lord and not Wodanaz, whom my ancestors have forgotten for a thousand and a half years?
The Jews will assume, assert and act like their religion is that of the Old Testament, and Christianity is something else. You must not let them do this. They splintered off from the truth and apostatized into a false religion, they have no right to any of the scriptures which are properly inherited by ourselves, God's covenant people. You must reprove and correct their presumption that they stand in the tradition of Moses even though it will bring insults and mockery at the least. Do not be ashamed or afraid to assert the authority and legitimacy of the New Testament revelation, or its consistency with Old Testament revelation, or the sharp inconsistency of the Talmud with the Old Testament. But you also should not unnecessarily offend them; be willing to write G-d instead of God, call the Old Testament the Tanakh, and absolutely do not use the divine name unless you truly have no alternative. Do not go out of your way to offend them, the gospel is offensive enough.
Post Christian video clips. Hymns, sermons, memes, or anything else you find is allowed as long as it's /christian/-appropriate.
Today is the Feast of Saint Joseph!
Hail, Guardian of the Redeemer, Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
To you God entrusted his only Son; in you Mary placed her trust; with you Christ became man.
Blessed Joseph, to us too, show yourself a father and guide us in the path of life.
Obtain for us grace, mercy and courage, and defend us from every evil. Amen.
St Joseph, Spouse of the Mother of God and Foster Father of the Redeemer, obtain for all families the kind of love that will enable married couples to give themselves to each other unconditionally because of the sacramental presence of Christ and their freely-made vows.
Thanks to a love like that, a family is formed, develops, matures and is a source of peace, unity and happiness for children as well as for parents.
Amen
St. Joseph, you are the chaste and loving spouse of the Virgin Mary, the foster father of Jesus, the protector and provider of the Holy Family and of all families.
We have complete confidence in your loving care for new life and in your fidelity to the family.
We commend our efforts to your prayers and protection.
Help us always to defend the gift of human life that it may grow to the abundance of eternal life promised and bestowed on us by your son, our brother, Jesus Christ.
Amen.
The Gnostic Christians were proto protestant in a sense. Before engaging this idea a few understandings must be agreed upon
>there was no gnostic "church"
>they were understood for most of history through the lens of a detractor deeming them heretics, who himself had doctrine considered heretical
>there is no perfect unified system and the beliefs vary
>the idea that could aptly unite them is that knowledge through Christ could offer salvation
This is the notion of salvation through faith alone. It says that nothing you do actually matters, it's what you think, and if what you think is a thought construct on the nature of Christ, his death, his resurrection, the implications of his death in light of the rest of the Bible, etc, that you're as good as saved, even if you sin. I see this as a welcome development and while MOST Christians who espouse salvation through faith alone aggressively would likely reject Gnosticism outright as heresy, they are still focusing on the idea. I think that salvation through faith alone is actually the same idea that much of gnosis derives from.
The issue is that people who preach salvation through faith alone are at odds with Catholics and numerous other christian run off cults that preach works based heresy while consorting with worldly powers, and so they lean heavily on literalism to boost their doctrine. What they should be considering is what marcion considered and throwing the whole OT out. After all, most Christians DO throw the OT out in favor of a few passages here or there in the NT. They wouldn't say that of course, but most Christians don't heed the OT. I believe that a resurgence in Christianity is coming in which some of these primordial non denim zoomer churches will get fed up with the prosperity gospel but also realize that it's extremely difficult to recognize both OT and literalism in general to true faith.
Happy Saint Patrick’s Day!
I heard he wasn't canonically a Saint but his works as missionary and bishop makes him a righteous and blessed man.
Let's discuss him, I know we all know that his definition of the trinity with the shamrock was heresy, but aside that he didn't do anything wrong in what I know.
Dear St. Patrick,
in your humility you called yourself a sinner,
but you became a most successful missionary
and prompted countless pagans
to follow the Saviour.
Many of their descendents in turn
spread the Good News in numerous foreign lands.
Through your powerful intercession with God,
obtain the missionaries we need
to continue the work you began.
Amen.
Hello and thank you for your time. Ive just been diagnosed with severe pancolitis, my only options left are taking biologic drugs or getting my colon removed. The issue is I have severe OCD when it comres the the mark of the beast and such, I cant sleep without covering my right hand up until recently I wasnt able to take basic medication (laxatives, pain meds , saline and even allergy medication ) out of pure fear, ive gotten past that now but its an example.
I have always been afraid of the biologics and eventually somewhatI got over it and went trough testing and screening to start them that is until someone in my family came to me and said something along the likes of ' Oh did you know that noah was allowed to live because he didnt have bad DNA (something about not being mixed with fallen angles) and how if I took this medication it could 'change my dna' somehow because its an antibody MRNA based medication, then they also hinted at the possibility it could be the mark of the beast in the future. I never really heard of Nephilim before and I dont know a whole lot about Revelations either.
im runining out of medication I dont have much time left to make my desicion I cant stay on steroids forever, I think I have about 10 days left. Im not even sure they would give me the surgery if I told them I did not want to take biologics even if for religous reasons leaving me no choice but to lie about starting, Im just looking for as much advice and console as possible.
if you have read this thank you for your time I greatly appreciate your care and concern, please pray for me.
There seems to be a multitude of users on imageboards stuck living generally broken lives. How can /christian/ minister to this?
If you are not already aware, anon.cafe is being shut down on March 15. >>>/meta/16466
Allow me to be as clear as possible: This is NOT the end of /christian/. We have endured shutdowns and deplatforming in the past, and although the board has changed hands many times and lost a lot of users (especially after 8chan went down for good), there are still quite a few users here, and I would hate to lose them again.
I would like to keep the community here as long as possible, and from that point transition to the new board. However, I lack the time, experience, and patience to maintain my own imageboard,
With that being said, I have made a request on zzzchan.xyz to have /christian/ created. Although it is most likely not necessary, you may add your two cents for why you would like /christian/ added to the site. You may view my post here:
https://zzzchan.xyz/meta/thread/137.html#4570
If/When the board is created, I will post more instructions here for how I would like this transition to go. But for now, remain calm, do not panic, and continue posting as usual. We have plenty of time, and I am making sure this transition goes as smoothly as possible.
How are you brothers preparing for the season? Have you already promised to follow Jesus as you had not dared to before? Have you renounced the works of the Evil One to enter the Father's house with Jesus? What's keeping you?
Doing research for a project and am traveling across the internet to discuss the Christian cartoons and or media people grew up on.
Born in 2000, I was raised on Vegetales and hand me down 1980s-early 90s vhs tapes like Donut Man, Bible Man, Commander Kellie, Davie and Goliath, and Psalty. Watched whatever was on TBN Saturday morning inbetween Kids WB and 4Kids TV, but when I got older I watched TBN less and less as most nineties/early aughts Christian cartoons are just a couple episodes and then they rerun it ad nauseum while secular toons had seasonal progression or frequent new shows coming out.
Many people in my church life my age are born again Christians or straight up never heard of anything outside of Vegetales and I was surprised when my former youth pastor who was an 80s kid had zero knowledge of Christian media before the years he started ministering
Honestly, in some of my research, a lot of this stuff was just Christian record store distributed or broadcast on local channels. Some of them are sincere
>Vegetales and Adventures in Odyssey
But most are very subdued, bland, or straight up just vague educational programming just rerunninng on a Christian network
Prayer to St. Valentine
Dear Saint and glorious martyr,
Teach us to love unselfishly and
to find great joy in giving.
Enable all true lovers to bring
out the best in each other.
Let them love each other in God
and in God in each other.
Why did the angels help Lot escape?
So I am sort of Bi although a devout Christian (Yes call me a fag IDK) and I am fucking annoyed with the LGBT community to no ends. I have a friend who is a Lesbian Atheist that agrees with a lot of morality that Christian ideology brings and even she notices that the LGBT community is self sabatoging. They like to present themselves as a community that wants to love their partners but in practice they are just constantly hooking up with one another. The LGBT community should have gatekept more in my opinion or needs to be shamed when they behave in a sort of manner.
Like I personally don't give a shit if 2 guys wanna slam the ass and you are free to disagree with me but I do think that the fucking pride parade types are fucking atrocious. Its like they revolve their entire lifestyle arround being gay as if it was their own religion.
I even have a theory that men who become women are the main vectors of disease because they believe that the more men wanna have sex with them then the more they pass and are validated.
IDK where the fuck this rant is going but I just wanted to talk about that shit.
Personally I have a lot of gay friends but they are almost always very much against the gay community and are Christian themselves, asside from that one girl.
>Asbury University has become the sight of a revival gathering, with students and staff engaging in continual worship and prayer on campus over the past few days.
>What began as part of a scheduled chapel service on Wednesday morning at Hughes Auditorium in Wilmore, Kentucky, has since transformed into a constant impromptu gathering.
>Alexandra Presta, a senior at the university who is also the executive editor for the campus newspaper The Collegian, has witnessed the revival and reported on it.
>Presta told The Christian Post on Friday morning that after the chapel service concluded on Wednesday, “roughly 30 students kept going.” They've been joined by others since then.
>The chapel service featured a sermon by speaker Zach Meerkreebs based on Romans 12 and the topic of “love in action,” Presta told CP.
>“I had left for a few minutes but then felt called to return. Since then, it hasn't stopped. It's been a mix of worship, testimony, prayer, confession, silence,” she explained, calling it “a full experience of the Holy Spirit.”
>Presta estimated that as many as 1,000 people have come to the revival gathering since it started, noting that while “some have come and gone,” there are others who “have slept on the floor and continued to praise God nonstop.”
https://www.christianpost.com/news/asbury-university-senior-revival-is-a-humbling-before-the-lord.html
Are you participating my brother in Christ? Or have you already failed?
I decided to check some image-manipulating AI and thew current state of its responses is appalling, at best. To make it short, I prompted one to generate a rendition of the Parousia with a crowned Jesus and biblically-accurate angels. So many things are off... others are egregiously blasphemous, and yet others seemed alright. Do you brothers think one could test and perfect this technology to adhere to the prompt (after a bazillion iterations), or do you think this image alone would prove that the AI spirit is not of God?
Celebrating Christmas with idolatry trees and cryptopagan idols seems in violation of Jeremiah 10:1-5
>Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.
So I propose to use the trees and symbols that are approved and shown to symbolize something without turning it into an idol.
Olive Trees that represent Jesus and his church, God's olive trees whose fruits are peace and union.
And use the iberic tradition of the Three Wise men delivering presents.
It's so easy to take God's blessings for granted. He sustains us in this world He maintains, and we foolishly presume it must be that way. I have failed God so badly and so often that I try not to take it for granted, food still tastes good, the air is still cold, and the sun still rises, and I consider these to be immense gracious blessings which I do not deserve. If He wanted to, He could change my existence to abject chaos and misery with a thought, and He would be absolutely just to do so. So I give thanks to God for His mercy and grace, and I praise Jesus Christ for making peace between me and Him.
Hail Blessed Mary
With all my heart I praise Thee, Most Holy Virgin above all angels and saints in Paradise, Daughter of the Eternal Father, and I consecrate to Thee my soul with all its faculties.
O my Mother, preserve me this day (or night) from mortal sin
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee! Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen
I was searching the various Eastern Christian Churches that are called "Orthodox" and came across the Brother Nathanael Foundation.
I wanted to know the details of the these Eastern faiths. I feel a bait and switch was done with the Roman Catholics; I did Catechism out of Father Cogan's "Brief Catechism for Adults" and then a whole different faith is thrown at me from Aquinas' huge "Summa" which changed everything.
So, I wanted to know what the real faith is of the Orthodox. Some say they're not in Mary worship, and they tend to keep the same faith, but the Orthodox in America are known for preaching sodomy is not a sin.
Anyway, I'm getting off subject in my own OP.
Seems Brother Nathanael a Jewish man who converted to Russian Orthodox. Seems a bit over the top.
Thoughts? Would like to hear from a Russian orthodox especially.
> Be in 4th grade
> Still care about sports
> Am a Red Sox fan, just like my Dad
> Heard about the Bambino Curse (Baseball is the most superstitious sport there is)
> Heard about how people can get anything they want if they sell their soul to the devil, albeit at a horrible price
> Figure "Hey! Well if all these people in these dumb stories always sell their souls for selfish reasons, why not sell one's soul for a higher purpose? The greater good?"
> Greatest good my Elementary school ass can think of is the Red Sox finally winning the world series
> Have an imaginary conversation with the Devil where I agree to sell my soul if they win
> It happens
> Boston Red Sox miracuolusly win for the first time in 86 years
Am I fucked, guys?
Did it really happen? Did I actually sell my soul? It's not like I performed a ritual or whatever. I was just imagining a conversation, and acting like it was real.
But is that what all conversations with God and the supernatural are? Did I do something unforgivible? Would it matter that I was an elementary schooler, and viewed it as a selfless act?
I could use some advice. This question has been plaguing me ever since, and I'm almost 30 now. I guess I'll never know for sure until I die, but still...
It'd be nice if there was some way I could determine whether I've damned myself, and/or figure out how to repent and go about my life in peace.
Here's an article about the curse I may have accidentally ended with my elementary-school autism, by cursing myself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino
how should christian celebrate Hanukkah?
Hello, all. I'd like to discuss the philosophy of the internet that a christian should take and hold.
Beliefs
1.). The internet should be used by people to exercise the ultimate goodness that they have, because the internet allows human beings to fully express themselves through editing and rethinking the content they send to others. Whereas one may be foolish and say things they regret in real life, they have a higher capacity to be the ultimate good and ultimate expression of themselves through virtual communication. All content a christian produces should edify the reader because of their increased capacity to do so. You must post and type not as you would speak to someone. On the internet, you are held to a higher standard than you are in real life.
2.) The internet allows for people to band together and communicate across long distances and thus it ought to be used to spread the word of God and show the love of he has shown us.
3.) The internet is not a replacement for social interaction. The internet as per the first point is a place where human beings can express their ultimate goodness to one another by the nature of a post (able to proof read, able to gather thoughts clearly, and able to see your own words from afar.) The internet can be used for connecting initially but it must advance towards the natural end of an interaction between two present real human beings at some point. Staying soley fixiated on a relationship with someone online may stagnate you and online relationships should receive significantly less time and attention than real ones.
Theres more, but I'll stop here. Please share your thoughts. God bless.
What are Your Guys on the Eastern Orthodox Church are in of you part of it do you think its the true church what do you disagree with and or agree with?
Greetings in this Wonderful Christmas time! I'm Orthodox who will be visiting lower WV the weekend before Christmas to see its beauty and scout possible investment opportunities. I would love to see if there are any lower WV Orthodox lurkers who can invite me to their parish to network and ask questions about the local area. From a cursory glance, I see that there are some ROCOR and Antiochian parishes in the area, but emailing the priest of one yielded no liturgical schedule information. Are the ROCOR and Antiochians old calendarists or something?
After going through some ideas in the meta thread, one that I've been considering a lot lately is creating a dedicated, stickied thread that acts as a guide for anything and everything Christianity. This includes different versions of the Bible, texts from Church fathers and scholars, literature, education material, films, TV shows, music, podcasts, everything that would be beneficial to both old and new believers alike. Each of it will be organized in one very large thread for easy browsing. And that's where (You) come in.
If you have something that falls into any category listed above (and then some), post it here.
>If you have a link, post it along with a working archive (VERY important. Once it's on the Internet, it's there forever, until it isn't.). Use a website like https://archive.fo/ to check for and make backups.
>If it's an image, document, or audio/video file, post a link to it and post the file in the thread as well. I will work on getting these archived somewhere like Mega that allows playing them back in the browser. You may download YouTube videos using ytp-dl or through various Invidious instances (https://invidio.us) that allow downloading.
I will make the actual repository thread once we have substantial material and edit it accordingly, and update it as new material is posted. This thread will be for sharing resources, discussing archive methods, and how the main thread should be organized.
It's remarkable how much academia has engaged in textual criticism of the New Testament, questioning every jot and tittle of the Greek manuscripts, yet comparatively barely any attention has been directed by them towards the Old Testament. Not that we should wish those atheistic scandalizers should desecrate the text, but I wanted to bring this subject to attention of the board for some opinions on it: what is the authentic text of the Old Testament? The vast majority of modern Bible translations use the Jewish Masoretic Text, which was composed by Pharasaic Jews in the 10th century, some 2000 years after the events described in it took place. It makes no sense that Christendom should be using an adulterated text from a sect that by its very nature is anti-Christian. But then what remains? From what I can tell, there are the following sources:
- Jerome's Latin Vulgate (from circa 400 AD), which he translated out of the original Hebrew from the ancient manuscripts available to him
- The Syriac Peshitta (100 - 200 AD), while the New Testament appears to derive from the Greek manuscripts, the Old Testament seems to be of a parallel tradition to the Septuagint. Syriac is a language that is related to Aramaic and Hebrew, so it's less likely to have misrenderings as a result of having to translate from a Semitic to an Indo-European language, and it uniquely contains some elements that provide additional context for events.
- The Targums (200 BC - 200 AD), informal spoken translations of the Old Testament. They are extremely paraphrastic.
- The Dead Sea Scrolls (300 BC - 100 AD), hidden by an esoteric Jewish sect, the Essenes, in caves during the Roman-Jewish Wars. Technically, the oldest copies of the Hebrew scriptures. However, as they were produced by a sect that was outside the mainstream of contemporary Jewish society, it should raise questions about whether they maintained the integrity of the scriptures.
- The Septuagint (300 BC - 100 BC), the Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was used by the early church. There are various issues with the Septuagint manuscripts available to us today however; the extant copies date to the fourth century. In ancient sources, the Septuagint was described only to be a translation of the books of Moses, whose origin and quality were remarkable, but the Septuagint as we have it today contains the prophets and the writings. If you look up any Septuagint based translation, you will find portions missing verses (e.g. 1 Samuel 17:12-31) because they're not in the manuscripts we have. Lastly, the insufficiency of the Septuagint was part of what prompted Jerome to begin his project of re-translating the Old Testament from Hebrew to Latin for the church to have a better text for its understanding.
- Samaritan Torah (>300 BC??), the Samaritans, who were rejected by the Jews upon their return from Babylon, have a unique version of the books of Moses (and of them only). It includes such deviations from the usual Jewish text as commandments to worship on Mount Gerizim instead of the Temple Mount of Jerusalem. Some of these are supported by witnesses in the Dea Sea Scrolls. However, as it is a sectarian work, the same question about whether they would have maintained the integrity of the scriptures hangs over it.
So, before we even tackle the issue of translating into English, what is the source text we ought to be translating from? Frankly, the institutions of learning seem to have been quite useless in giving an answer, because so far they either uncritically accept the Masoretic Text and the apparent impeccability of its authors, or say that it's literally anything but what the church historically believed (because Christians are retards and us enlightened secularists are obviously right!!!), or put forward that the original text never existed at all.
What is your favourite verse or part of the Old Testament?
I like the history of Moses.
I want to get this of my chest as a confession and because other than the Lord I don't want anyone else to know this. I give up on finding romantic love.
I am going to focus on my self and on taking care of my mother. Focus on my goal of buying a good house. Maybe this is what God wants me to do for the rest of my life. This doesn't mean I hate or have Ill-will against women, I think and feel that God doesn't want me to be with anyone.
Anabaptism Appreciation Thread
Can we have an Anabaptism thread? Do we have Anabaptist brothers around here?
It dawned on me the other day that the very existence of modern Anabaptism is an irresistible sign of God's agency and will in history, even if you look at it with a "secular historian's hat" and not your own believer's conviction. Most Reformation groups had powerful temporal backing, even as they may have faced persecution at one time or another. The Anabaptists, on the other hand, have seen nothing but the sword. To know one's own identity as an Anabaptist, the believer truly gazes into the Martyrs' Mirror and becomes a stranger in the world, one who would not hesitate, by the Lord's mercy, to brave the possibility of being consumed to death in their zeal. This is a testimony this world needs. Selah.
I was looking for a charity that helps the poor yet doesn't support abortion. It seems the three "Catholic" charities; Catholic Charities USA, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and the Catholic Health Association supported legislation back in 2009 that would fund abortion. This is against the Catholic faith on two levels: #1 abortion, #2 socialism.
And Peter's Pense - I'm still disappointed yet not at all surprised that Bergoglio (Who some believe to be the current Pope Francis) gave Peter's Pence to homosexual/transsexual prostitutes who were lacking in income because of the Covid shutdowns.
While searching non-Catholic religious charities that are more Catholic than Pope Frank, I ran across this story
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claimed this week that her “Jewish brothers and sisters” believe killing unborn babies in abortions is a religious sacrament “according to their faith.”
Incredible! She talking about sacrificing babies to Moloch.
Is it really part of the Jewish religion, or is she lacking in understanding in a major way?
*https://www.lifenews.com/2022/12/22/aoc-claims-abortion-is-a-religious-sacrament/
Hi anons, im a christian man on love with a 2D girl, i have pondered a lot over the years (5+) and readed to get to a conclusion and while i have mine i wonder what other christians might think, so here i am, by waifuism i simply mean loving and comitting to a fictional girl even if she doesnt exist.
Do you believe in Purgatory?
What's the deal with christian infighting, when the world outside the churches is full of sin and of the deception of satan?
The first people who need christian correction, are the sinners, of which the unreligious out of ignorance about the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ are the most of.
Some talk about "ecumenism" between different branches of christianity.
But what about having ecumenism in converting the enemies of the church of christ, converting the unreligious, converting the neo-pagans now coming to light, converting the victims of the deception of the modern anti-christian world?
Lets make the evangelism of the Word of God, be the real way to church unity and to the real church of Christ.
>“Behold, I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves.
>But beware of people, for they will hand you over to courts and scourge you in their synagogues,"
Matthew 10:16-17
>So the disciples said to one another, “Could someone have brought him something to eat?”
>Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and to finish his work.
>Do you not say, ‘In four months the harvest will be here’? I tell you, look up and see the fields ripe for the harvest.
>The reaper is already receiving his payment and gathering crops for eternal life, so that the sower and reaper can rejoice together. For here the saying is verified that ‘One sows and another reaps.’
>I sent you to reap what you have not worked for; others have done the work, and you are sharing the fruits of their work.”
John 4:33-38
Here's a question that has always puzzled me:
So we all know that a good chunk of Jewish people rejected Christ and went on to become the modern religion of Talmudic Judaism. But there were also a sizable chunk of the Jewish community that submitted to Jesus and became the first Christians.
However, if you asked me to point out where Talmudic Jews are, I would only have to point to modern Israel and the various diaspora Jewish communities throughout the world. But if you asked me to point out Jewish communities or individuals descended from the original Jewish Christians, who have kept up such customs.... I would be at a total loss.
So what happened to them or where are they? Did the original Jewish Christians simply intermarry amongst the Gentiles to the point of being absorbed? Or are their communities of Jewish Christians who can trace their lineage back to the original Jewish Christians that exist, but either don't have as much prominent PR as Talmudic Jews, or are simply not as numerous?
And I don't mean Messianic Jews either, since this group, from what I understand, consists almost entirely of either ex-Talmudic Jews, or Gentiles who have married into or adopted Jewish customs on top of a faith in Jesus.
I think the Satanic conspiracy is better for Christians than the racial Jewish conspiracy. The Old testament faith of ancient Judaism Jews became Christians and "those that say they're Jews but are not" are Jews that study the Talmud and the Kabbalah and according to Texe Mars worship a serpent. So the Satanic conspiracy also has an answer to the Jews as well as the Golden calf during the time of Moses.
There is no scriptural authority for true Christians to worship on Sunday. The Roman Catholic Church instituted Sunday worship to distance itself from biblical Christianity and gain pagan converts. So those who worship on Sunday are essentially saying the pope has the authority to change the Word of God.
I'm new to christianity and new to reading the New Testament. I have a question regarding helping the poor and how should we do it. It seems the Bible asumes the poor and those in need to be always in the right and seems like helping them is the best one can do to enter the Kingdom of God. But sometimes the poor can also show greed and injustice, as I have seen how a friend of mine was giving money to a homeless guy and he was harassing her to give him even more money. Even as a kid, being schooled in a catholic school, I was forced to give money to charity and then I found out no one of those we supposedly helped improved in any way, and thus we threw our money right into the trash. I understand one should partake in charity and helping those in need but at what extent? Is every homeless person, every poor, every misserable, good in nature? Or is our aid what matters regardless of who recives the aid and what they do with it? As for example, giving money to a homeless guy and then the homeless buys alcohol instead of food. Our action was good but his use of our money isn't. I want to help the poor and those in need but I'm afraid it will be futile, as people won't improve regardless of my efforts.
Hello anons. I have some questions to inspire thought and debate.
1.Do you believe that this /christian/ community is contributing to the advancement of the kingdom of God? Can God use this imageboard to change someone's life?
2.Do you believe that prayers made by anonymous people can change someone's life?
Forgive my bad English. It's my first time posting here.
Read 1st and 2nd Corinthians. Read and see how Paul, an apostle, debases and humbles himself in his writing, as opposed to the Corinthians who continue in sin and don't know it.
Why are we fighting here? Why do we act like people who have never read the Bible here? So much fighting, coarseness, haughtiness... We are meek, lowly servants. I don't see a lot of love here and I wish that would change. I hope that we can all examine ourselves and hold each other accountable.
>2 Cor. 3:5: Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God
We are nothing, God is everything. Everything that is good in us is God in us, not ourselves. We should all take a moment to humble ourselves.
What do you guys think of this? I could summarize it but it's better if you give your opinion on if it's convicting or not. It's basically a theory of Jesus, Israelites and OT faith not being Jewish. I'd really like to know what you guys think?
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/431126799/#431131391
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In this thread post why Christianity is based and is the Truth, or post pictures or links related to that.
The goal of this thread is to be a bag full of Jesus seeds you can quickly get and plant in non-believers' hearts. (eg. you can visit this thread for good links to send to a LARPagan to prove them wrong)
Hey Anons,
I am thinking about applying to divinity school next year and wanted some advice. Prior to starting college, I was an atheist, was addicted to drugs and alcohol and was generally self-loathing and self-destructive. Freshman year I had a religious awakening and decided to teach myself a lot about gnosticism and buddhism. Overtime I found myself slowly moving towards Christianity and can happily say I am a full convert. My campus priest and I are close friends and I have fully accepted that Christ is my lord and savior.
At this point I am finishing up undergrad with a double major in History and Theology. My family wants me to apply to law school and I think I could make a good living as a lawyer. My father is in prison and my mother is very materialistic, both really want me to pursue law. Additionally, my brother is very successful in his field and made a point to say it will be up to the two of us to take care of our mother and sister (she's a drug addict) when we're older. Working as a lawyer will allow me to more money to take care of my family and hopefully the future family I can create one day. However, I am worried I won't like the legal profession and more importantly am very worried I will revert to my old ways. As time goes on I find myself progressively less passionate about the law and really want to continue to study religion. I just feel like if I do not dedicate my life to my faith, I will not live a life with faith.
I have good grades and will have good recommendations and think I may want to apply to divinity school. I am not sure if I would make a good priest. I am not the best public speaker and am not the most virtuous but I do want to dedicate myself to the church. I do want to dedicate my life to theology. I do want to live a life worthy of God's presence. I really just feel lost and would like advice. Should I turn my back on my responsibilities towards my family and focus on God? Should I turn my back on my responsibilities towards myself and focus on helping my family? I really just need advice. Please pray for me and thank you for reading.
This thread is for discussion and the sharing information critical of evolution, old earth, attempts to allegorize the early chapters of Genesis, etc.
I will be posting some basic info critical of (Neo-)Darwinism shortly.
This link contains one of the largest reference materials for the bible (archaeological, literary, etc. evidence) I've ever seen:
https://pastelink.net/2w1ne
I think it may help all of us in faith of God.
How do you convince people that homosexuality is wrong? While other areas of the LGBTAIP++ are more easier to argue against i.e trannies as long as you're not talking to someone 'woke', but homosexuality is widely accepted not just by those people but by most people in general.
It seems obvious to me that it's a mental disorder at best, but it evidently isn't for everyone.
This isn't just about convincing them that the gay community is bad, but that homosexuality itself is bad. Any sane person would agree that kids dancing half naked in a crowd of adults dressed in sexual attire who are raining money on said kid is obviously wrong, but most wouldn't be convinced homosexuality itself is bad. How do you change their minds?
How do I know everything written is scripture or not? How do I know Paul wasn't some crazy weirdo who decided to throw in his own interpretation of Christianity? Even then, the authenticity of some of Paul's letters are heavily disputed and some even universally agreed as not consistent with his own writing.
How do I know whether or not I should practice Judaic law or not? Christ said he is here to fulfill the law, but he also said he would not abolish it.
>Matt 5:18: 18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single letter,[a] not even a tiny portion of a letter, will disappear from the Law until all things have been accomplished.
>Gal 3:24: 24 Therefore, the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
Should I practice the law to renew my faith? After all, it's what the early Jewish Christians still did anyway.
Romans 2:25: 25 Circumcision has value if you obey the Law. However, if you break the Law, you have become as if you had never been circumcised. 26 In the same way, if one who is not circumcised keeps the precepts of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 Then the man who is not physically circumcised but nevertheless observes the Law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the Law.
How do I know the Roman church is the true church? I am not a Catholic, but it's said that "the gates of hell will not prevail over the church", to paraphrase. But the Mary stuff and the Pope himself being a controversial figure lead me to believe there are deep-seated problems in Roman authority, not to mention the intentional covering up of sexual abuse in the church. But I don't want to doubt this and then go to hell forever. No church seems right, Catholic churches are too much and seem to have a lot of extra-biblical sacraments and traditions, where as Protestant churches don't take anything seriously and are a breeding ground for cafeteria Christians and people who simply don't care to take Christianity home or let the Bible dictate anything about their lives.
I'm confused about a lot of things, and I don't know what to do. Am I going to hell for thinking this?
Look at this fella, angry about the Bible and for having his Lolicon being censured by the "fascist Christians"
https://youtu.be/Oe7GzSbp5zI
I need some bread pills about Buddhism, like inforgraphs or webms showing why Buddhism is satanic.
Hello, I'm a Christian, and I am still learning the Bible, though I consider myself decently knowledgable on its themes and messages. In the last 3 years I have undergone a massive transformation from a useless atheistic tranny into the lover of God I am now, it felt like being awakened to the truth of the universe in totality, like seeing every life at once that all point to the singular truth--that being God at the head of all things. And through my Biblical journey I have come to adore the Lord, I've come to understand the secrets of the heavens and the earth, and I've seen the light at the beginning of the tunnel, only to now know that we live in an age of darkness. The world is dying, degenerating from the natural goodness that God has shown me. I want to devote my life to the Lord, I want to give my life to Him.
But I have recently come to a crossroads of confusion. There are so many countless denominations of the church, each with hundreds upon thousands of people with their own views that differ from my own. I'm unsure if I even have any specific views on worship other than the passion I have for God. And the sheer numbers of pathways overwhelms me. They all deal in the question of what must be done for salvation but in my revelations I have rarely even thought on such things. I fear that I am pursuing the wrong path, there are countless years of history behind the churches, and they all fight one another over what is and isn't true.
It does not help that I have a terrible dislike of other people, I love my family and friends, and I want to love all men as Jesus has taught me to do, but I cannot bring myself to worship in public, not out of shame but out of distrust. This world is a corrupt world and I do not have it in me to trust other people with a topic I view so delicately. I am unsure what you would think of me, but is it impossible to worship the Lord privately? Am I damned for not participating in any of the churches? I apologize if this is a stupid question.
Picture unrelated.
An anon on 8ch's /christian/ storytimed this in honor of Easter several years ago. In honor of the end of Lent and the Resurrection of our Lord I present, for your reading pleasure, Serenity.
I've been thinking of getting into Christianity (sorry for poor choice of words) for the longest time now as someone raised fully atheist. Got given this KJV bible on the street today. I think this is my sign - gonna start reading it, now's better then ever.
Any advice for what to do other than just reading the Bible?
“His Only Son”, the original biblical drama that recounts the life of Abraham based on that one time in his life, mentioned in Genesis 22, where God tested his faith by asking him to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, on the mountain of Moriah, has earned the No. 3 position in the world, just below “John Wick: Chapter 4” since last weekend.
>«HIS ONLY SON profoundly explores mankind’s relationship to God and encourages viewers to turn inward and ask: Can your faith still stand when you are asked to give everything?» the film’s official description read. With a budget of $250,000 achieved through crowdfunding, it reached a box office record that had not been achieved before and that is attracting the public to learn more about biblical stories.
>With an accurate and authentic vision, the reviews of the film explain that “His Only Son” is a refreshing, profound and contemplative experience, which comes at the perfect time for Easter, said Jared Geesey, the senior vice president of Global Distribution for Angel Studios. Likewise, he said that people are flocking to theaters, because they now have a preference for this type of stories.
>Promising to fully adhere to the biblical narrative, it will have Nicolas Mouawad, a Lebanese actor playing Abraham, Sara Sayed, born and raised in Tehran as Sarah, and Edaan Moskowitz, playing Isaac, who is an Israeli-American actor who was born in California.
>The inspiration for the film came from former US Marine David Helling, who spent time in the Iraqi desert and had a desire in his heart to share Bible stories with audiences on a theatrical stage; and he is now the one who directed the piece. “I didn’t set out to do Christian films,” Helling added. “I set out to do biblical films because they’re for the sake of the gospel — not the typical Hallmark with a Jesus tinge over it.”
>Other Angel Studios hits besides The Chosen, the first multi-season series about Jesus, is “Jesus Revolution,” which tells the true story behind the Jesus Movement of the 1970s.
>The studio has aimed to make these types of productions to attract people to faith-based content thanks to its genuine and story-driven approach.
https://archive.is/CHLL0
Is it just me or is Christian media becoming more popular recently? I think it's because the world has gotten so secularized that no one is familiar with the Bible anymore so they are actually interested in learning about it for the first time.
These anime posting threads have been the bane of this board's existence for the past month now.
Post interesting theological takes or positions, things that don't necessarily fall in line with Christian orthodoxy, or are taught by major denominations.
>inb4 Ortholarpers come to the rescue.
What do we make of this, /christian/s?
>the Christian board
>there has never been a thread about The Chosen
Is it the greatest piece of Christian media since The Passion of the Christ or is it Mormon subversion? Should we stream it?
Anon's this board may not be perfect but it has been a good place for me to be whenever I am online. To be frank I have not been at peace the past few days. My father is not saved and he is getting old, I have been debating with myself whether free will is even real, how predestination works and if it does, does that mean anything I do has true meaning or am I just a pawn in things I do not understand. I have only found peace with prayer and working out, I have faith in my Lord but perhaps this is just showing me how much I have to grow in trusting the Lord, perhaps this is just my flesh fighting my spirit but advice or prayers would be greatly appreciated.
It is no secret the Eastern Orthodox reject the Filioque of Rome.
But what is definitive Orthodox statement of what exactly is going on in the trinity? The Catholics can point to Florence. Is there a similar Orthodox statement?
Part of me thinks that had Florence not dogmatized the filioque as "one principle and a single spiration" The Catholics and Orthodox would've reunited under an agreement that each side had a permissible theological opinion. I mean, the ultimate reality of the Holy Trinity is unknowable.
That said, is there any way to resolve the controversy without rejecting the other side as heretical? I see all over the place bickering over who is right and who is wrong. But never do we examine any potential compromises or solutions.
Perhaps we could say the Father alone is the principle/cause of the Trinity. The Father however, directs the Holy Spirit as Spiration to the Son initially, and the Son responds in like, unified spiration. Therefore, the Son’s presence to the Father calls forth the Spirit from Him, in a sense. It is by his eternal and natural and proper love as Father for Son that the Ekporeusis of Spirit from Father is begun. It is by his eternal and natural proper love as Son for Father, that the Son calls forth the Spirit from the Father. The Spirit’s hypostasis is sealed in its procession by His resting upon the Son.
Or perhaps would it be possible for the Latins to revoke the dogmatic pronouncement retroactively as the Greeks never ratified it? Starting the discussion again from the beginning?
Have you guys read or heard any proposed resolution on the controversy?
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Has the definition of "repent" been changed over time? Should "repenting of sin" be included when preaching the Gospel? Does it turn the free gift of salvation into a works-based program, denying that Christ's life, death, and resurrection was sufficient to reconcile us to God?
I used the following Bible word search website as a resource to find every time the word "repent" was used in the KJV Bible: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html
In the Bible, the word "repent" is used 112 times. Forty-six times in the Old Testament, and sixty-six times in the New Testament (I've excluded its apocryphal uses). Out of 112 times, only five times was it used in reference to "repenting of sin", and never used that way in regard to the Gospel or eternal salvation. Contextually, it commonly means one of the following three things:
-Changing one's mind (whether God or man);
-Being grieved inwardly (may include regretting); and/or
-Turning from worshipping idols to worshipping God
Examples of God repenting (many cases, only a few listed for brevity. Some uses are God deciding a different course of action, some are Him being grieved):
>"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." -Gen.6:6
>"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." -Exod.32:14
>"...and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel." 1Sam.15:35
Examples of repenting meaning "turning to believing the truth (from falsehoods or idolatry)" (these are most used in reference to eternal salvation):
>"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." -Matt.21:32
'Repenting' meaning 'believing John the Baptist'.
>"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." -Mark.1:15
'Repent' meaning 'believe the gospel'
>"And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." -Luke.16:30-31
'Repent' meaning 'being pursuaded to believe the truth'...
>judaism: incites extreme racial supremacy and hatred, and rape-torture of children
>islam: incites violence and murder of people with different beliefs, and woman oppression (and it also indirectly forbids anime because art is haram)
>hinduism, buddhism, folk religions, etc: utter schizo shit, and many of them are inhumane too
>no religion: makes you a gay rootless redditor who thinks he's smarter than everyone
>Christianity: preaches love, etc and if you look at it from a religious perspective it's also beautiful because of the whole God sacrificing his son for humanity's sins thing
>it's also not schizophrenic/too unscientific
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