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You mean wrong from a religious perspective?

I had friends who were gay. I wasn't particularly religious at the time. They all died young of aids. Young men tend to be particularly promiscuous. One gay friend said he had sodomy with over a thousand different men. 

Even if AIDS doesn't get you, there are all kinds of health problems with sodomy: antibiotic resistant STDs, kidney infections, anal prolapse, anal tearing... whole long list of diseases and complications. 

'If I was to try' (and like I said, all the gay people I knew died, mostly of aids and complications of aids) I'd point out how dangerous it is, explain that being same sex attracted is a cross we must bear and point to the scripture on how we all get a cross, point to the old testament quotes on Sodomy and the Punishment and explain that was to prevent the spread of STDs that killed entire families and that it was really out of God's love for those who would otherwise restrain themselves. 

And just being homosexual isn't the problem. That's the temptation, the cross. Just like being heterosexual can be a cross if it's inordinately strong.

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>>23315 (OP) 
All sex outside of marriage ordained of God between man and woman is an affront to our purpose. It's only because we've allowed our society to regress in its standards that the world at large and mainstream liberal churches cannot face down homosexuality. The road to homosexual relationships being normalized starts with adultery, allowing martial vows to be broken; then fornication, the acceptance of heterosexual relationships for pleasure outside of marriage; then masturbation, engagement in sexual desire without any regard for its end in driving the reproduction of mankind. When you put those three deviations together: that marital vows are meaningless, that any sexual relationship between consenting adults is permissible, and that sexual acts for immediate gratification are desirable, what is the product? Gay marriage. Without going further into rungs 4 and 5 of this ladder into destruction, let us return to the truth - only one set of relations bears the fruit of children, of the satisfaction of parenthood, and of the responsible commitment of the kindred souls of men and women until the death annuls their bond - and it to this which God our heavenly father gives His recognition and blessing. Amen.

I get it, Bros. Still, how do you preach this to potential converts? I see that getting them to agree on piecemeal elements of these truths caould work in the long run. Monogamy today, the threat of STIs another day, hedonism yet another and so on.

>>23463
Honestly, i dont know. I have demonstrated to people that the 'science' related to sodomy defense is all phony, that its a choice, an ugly playing with intestines choice, but people dont budge. Its like arguments dont matter. 
The cultural hold on the people is too strong. I think they have to convert first, then they are open to truth. While in a prodigal state, people are blinded. 

You can still try the science route. Like using the biggest and most recent study on the matter that used half a million genetic profiles and found no gay gene:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6
Even if the gay gestapo forced these scientists to say that there MAY be a genetic component. Its just a lie to save face, they found nothing.

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>>23465
They used the idea of a gay gene to get acceptance even though the science behind it was bunk. In all likelihood it is probably the result of hormonal disruption due to environmental pollutants. We have had these vast shifts in cultural attitudes to celebrate things which the vast majority of society neither desires nor derives any joy in entertaining.

>>23470
>pics
very nice, although i worry that the amount of damage they may have done to their balls may be too late by that point

>>23465
Even if a Gay Gene were to be found, that would only mean that the theological truth of homosexuality-as-a-cross would be hard-coded into some people's genes. So what? There are so many terrible inclinations built into peoples' genes that it all goes to show that we are fallen, and even if we accept the free gift of the Lord, we still tend to whore after every sin. That is one of my problems with 'imparted righteousness', 'once saved, always saved' and other Protestant errors, though I sympathise strongly with them at this point. I don't want to start another interdenominational flame war, just to insist on this one takeaway. In our corrupt state we walk almost innertially toward sin, and only the continued mercy of the Spirit of the Lord (for which we have to pray all the time) can give us strength to reject the seduction and the lies of the Principalities.

>>23474
>Even if a Gay Gene were to be found, that would only mean that the theological truth of homosexuality-as-a-cross would be hard-coded into some people's genes. So what? There are so many terrible inclinations built into peoples' genes that it all goes to show that we are fallen, and even if we accept the free gift of the Lord, we still tend to whore after every sin. 
Most people don't know their theology and fall prey to naturalistic and humanistic arguments. "There are animals that show gay behavior" (even though they are the exception and exclusive homosexuality is particular to humans) or "the existence of a gay gene means God made me gay" (showing an ignorance of the doctrine of original / ancestral sin and its consequences on human existence). This attitude derives from Enlightenment philosophy and its casting of base human nature as being innately good, which it appropriated from the Christian account of creation while dismissing the core truths of the faith. When secular science rewrote the account of human origins into the theory of evolution that innate good aspect was cast on to primitive societies, apes, animals, etc. This regressive speculation fails to generate any productive insight on what it means to be human and on the ultimate end of humanity in its denial that man was specifically created in the image of God, with authority over all other creatures and a unique connection with his Creator (which was severed by the introduction of sin, but is restored by the atoning sacrifice of the Son and the grace of the Spirit). The poorly catechized and the aberrant, operating on secular attitudes, circulate confused notions of virtue in life of the flesh and that loving God and Christ is a free will decision of the individual conscience and not a normative obligation, mashed with bits and pieces of dogmatic theology to arrive at distorted ideas of "God is love, and love is love, so God approves of gay marriage", antinomian formulations of "Free Grace" (that is actually what you describe in the latter part of your post), and universalism.

>>23474
Yeah. Behaviors that can stem from genetics, injuries, and other factors outside a person's immediate control, but it doesn't mean those behaviors are healthy or good whether or not the person can be blamed for them

>>23315 (OP) 
i almost groomed myself when i was younger, my generation will serve satan gladly if asked directly

Change their mind with the testimony of scripture. If they reject its authority then what we have is a worldview issue and we should proceed by attacking their worldview directly.

>>23491
>we should proceed by attacking their worldview directly.
then they attack you physically LMAO

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>>23492
>And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

>>23494
When I slay the enemies of Christ I have no fear for I know God is a merciful and just God.

>>23495
>slay
Do not do that

>>23498
only when necessary

>>23499
The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church. We were commanded not to fight back when we are persecuted for Christ's name so that our suffering will magnify the gospel. It id always necessary not to defend yourself from persecution, instead you should sing the praises of God.

>>23500
Christ literally says otherwise
Luke 22:36

>>23502
>Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

You don't actually need to change anyone's mind. It's an intergroup competition that you are part of. You should abandon the stubborn losers and move on.

>>23463
If they don't accept common sense and hard evidence, then they have already adopted a slave mentality towards the ruling class that wants them to swallow the gay cake. Help them help themselves and they will find the way.

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>>23503
You forgot the part where Peter interfered with God's plan and attacked an innocent guy who hadn't attacked him.

>>23507
They were arresting an innocent man, they werent really innocent.

>>23507
>>23513
Let's also not forget who that innocent man was

>>23513
Jesus gave himself up, Peter had no reason to attack.
>>23515
Christ the Saviour who willingly gave Himself up to save the world? Peter attacking the guard was misplaced and interfered with God's plan. There's no way around this because otherwise you'd have to say that one part of the Bible is wrong.

>How do you convince people that homosexuality is wrong?
>>23463

Tell them what faggots actually do. One covers his gentiles in feces, the other has his sphincter so damaged he literally can't keep himself from shitting himself for life. Neither is a proper treatment for a temple. If you saw someone deliberately break a gift you gave them, or cover it in shit (and it wasn't a toilet/dog poop scooper/etc.) you wouldn't want to give them gifts again.

I'm not convinced Romans 1:26 actually means lesbians. If it were truly "obvious", the pre-modern commentaries would all agree, but said commentaries are all over the place on it. If they agree on any meaning, it's general lack of chastity/hypersexuality (which is clearly identified as bad elsewhere). Heinrich Meyer's 1858 commentary is the only one I'm aware of that definitively says it means lesbian. If two women being married civically is enough to stop it from being unchaste is unclear.

>>23317
>carry cross means burden

The bit on carrying cross means marching toward your death for Him, carrying the method of your own execution. The cross wasn't a symbol of Christ till centuries later.  The more applicable phrase here is πειρασμόν (peirasmon), which means trial and temptation (but the limits of English mean it gets translated as just one most of the time), and the importance of resisting/overcoming it is repeatedly mentioned.

You literally show them the churches stance on homosexuality 
https://www.holy-trinity.org/morality/homosexuality.html

And if they handwave that they are just the type of person to ignore anything they don't like.

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>>23536
just show the verses in the Bible discussing the issue. If they bring up some bs about that "being the old covenant" then show them the verse in Matthew 5 where Jesus says not a word from the "Law" shall be disobeyed till the end of time, then ask them which part of the Law Christ was referring to. Couldnt have been sacrificial law, couldnt have been customary law, that only leaves moral law.

>>23538
There are also at least two NT verses regarding the utter end of unrepentant sodomites anon. According to some Christian traditions, it's one of only 4 sins that cries out to Heaven.

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>>23539
Liberal churches also change the verses in their translations to justify their promotion of sin when the underlying Greek word literally means "man-bedders".

>>23315 (OP) 
>How do you convince people that homosexuality is wrong? 
There's no need to "convince" anyone. The scripture is plain, they just don't care about God or His laws (first five books called the law, specifically) or Christ and His message (e.g. Mt 5:17) and therefore they're not worth your time. Period. /thread

>>23538
>it posts this image on a website that hosts porn
the irony

>>23561
gay
>>23562
very original

>>23470

King

>>23470
>They used the idea of a gay gene to get acceptance even though the science behind it was bunk.
I read into that one time and all I found was some mentions of genes that were more prevalent in gays, and maybe increased the likelihood of gayness, but nothing that could be called an actual CAUSE of that.
The "born that way" argument doesn't even work in their own framework because they still accept/talk about the existence of bisexuals, even though the entire premise behind it is 100% choice.