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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Excuse me, would anyone mind a thread about church design and maybe preference?
It's a trap.
>where was he when I tried to suicide
When you didn't go through with it.

There should be a handbook for mentally filing through angry spam.
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>I don't trust zzzchan.xyz, at least one of it's mods is a literal /leftypol/-tier janny.

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As of right now we only have three banners. I'd like there to be more, and I'm sure someone somewhere has saved the banners from previous iterations of /christian/, 8chan and otherwise. If you have them, post them here, or feel free to make your own as well! The only requirement is that they are 300x100 and of high quality.
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I knew i got one wrong, i even double check and didn't see it.
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There you go.
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Tried and failed to edit a Captain Falcon helmet on St. Nicholas. Still, good banner hopefully.
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And I forgot to scale it down. Mea culpa
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I hope this doesn't count as a Mormon banner.

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Post Christian video clips. Hymns, sermons, memes, or anything else you find is allowed as long as it's /christian/-appropriate.
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A lot of his music from his post-Shooter-era is at least implicitly Christian.
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I like this one.
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A short talk from the Holy Mountain.
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Oy Gewalt! You just can't take halfwit JoS goypoop seriously, mate

Good Lord...

>Culturally, even JoS is a Christian, just an angry, disaffected Protestant. Like all other Western atheists and satanists he is guided by the reductive instinct, to "return to the roots," embodied by the Protestant reformers. His logic is simply the extreme of "I don't need X to be saved!" He has no worthy point, he's not a standout, I don't need to debate him, and I pray he gets through being used by his anger.
Based and breadpilled.
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And what exalted capability makes you the judge of a universal negative? That is what I think you are saying. To say that all the beauty and order in the world just happens to be a roll of the dice. A hand rolls the dice. That the humble amoeba can just happen to evolve into a Mozart. Who inspires his composition. That so many of your forebears were wrong, but you and this angry man demanding the world's attention with a clickbaity title are right Why his title attracts attention at all. Go on. It begs the question. Or is it too much text for you to make yourself clear on what you really want?
>reptilians and grays
You're asking people to spend hours of their free time to debunk this, when you're here in bad faith anyway.
>Like all other Western atheists and satanists he is guided by the reductive instinct, to "return to the roots,"
That could not be further off the ball
I lost my screencaps and links with the hard drive, but "Joy of Satan" cult exists sorely to get their bosses, who are homosexuals, confused young boys to fuck in the ass. Frankly speaking, in today's Europe/USA "pretending" (not really) to be a Satanist is completely unnecessary in order to achieve such noble and lofty goals

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I'm just curious to hear your guys story, how and what did God do and give you to finally defeats your bad habits and the such (I don't have any files really so here's a random image)
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Eh, I dunno. Not because "stealing bad." But because when they're not getting my money, their ideas/products are still getting my time and attention. And there is a subtle absurdity in using modern concepts/products to combat, or to comfort the self from, modern concepts/products. It's like buying the antidote from the same merchant who sold the poison. Neither can any group that forms as a response to the aforementioned thing have a lasting answer. Because the existence of such groups are dependent on the existence of what they're reacting to. It seems the only winning move, is to not play.
>Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Feeling more about this, I think a big part of the problem is I have been heavily using pornography as emotional compensation for so many years, that my person is too invested into it to just quit. It's more than an addiction. It's a way of life. Quitting would be quitting a part of myself. And so now the question becomes how to release all of those emotions tightly locked up in porn for moving them into something else. Maybe letting go of putting in the effort of quitting to continue with heavy use until something just suddenly changes, or I hit rock bottom? But I don't know.
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Quit completely, delete every porn image off your devices and stop whacking it. If you can abstain for a day, then you can abstain for a week. If you can abstain for a week, then you can abstain for a month, and so on. Small steps, and if you fail, you pick yourself up, ask Christ for forgiveness and strength, and start over again. It's a journey and a hard one, but eventually it will be a distant memory and you won't even have to think about it anymore.
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The biggest thing was getting involved not just in a church, but also in a good Christian group of friends who love the Lord more than anything else. When you spend time around other people, you become more like them. It took special permission for particularly advanced souls before certain monks became hermits. You need good people in your life who will build you up and expect better of you.

There's nothing wrong with quitting a part of yourself. Otherwise, we would never improve. You need to face your emotional insecurities and flaws before they destroy you. Try to find a good Christian therapist who can help you avoid hitting rock bottom in the process. And stop abusing yourself. You deserve better. Once you've crossed that bridge, you'll thank the Lord that he brought you there. Remember, you are more than your addictions and flaws.

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Questions that don't deserve their own thread.
You know the drill. Questions that deserve their own thread go in their own threads. Questions that don't go here.
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A catholic one of course. I think the best edition is The Jerusalem Bible from Brouwer.
Would the Deuterocanonical books hold any value to me as a protestant?
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I certainly think so. They are referenced in the New Testament, so you're only deepening your understanding of the text by reading them, even if you don't consider them to be inspired scriptures. Keep in mind, also, that most Bibles contained them, albeit removed from their place in the Old Testament and relegated to their own "Apocrypha" section, until around the 19th century when they started leaving them out as a cost-saving measure.
Would praying the rosary be beneifical to protestants, sans any reference to Mary?
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You're more than welcome to pray the rosary, but since it's composed of either 53 or 153 Hail Mary prayers, I don't think you would get more out of it than simply saying 15 Our Fathers and reciting the Apostle's Creed if you excluded the Marian prayers.

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Post in this thread to share your current Bible reading progress and to be accountable before others in your study of scripture.

I have just finished Genesis, Matthew, and Mark.
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>>24554 (OP) 
I haven't read the latter prophets from Amos onward, besides the often cited verses like Zechariah 12:10. I'm gonna read them, then enjoy the Gospels again

I'm happy /christian/ is still around, it took some time to find it again. Have a good day Christanons
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You too, friend.
I haven't really read the Bible seriously in years, front to back. The last time I did, I made it just about to the Psalms before burning out. I've picked up and read the Gospels a few times, although it's somewhat hazy to me. 
Recently I had to go to the psych ward. It wasn't fun, but they at least let me bring my Bible into the holding room. I didn't know what the future held for me, whether I would remain sane enough to be a Christian by the end of the week, but I took great comfort in reading the Psalms. I made it through about half of them as I waited to meet the psychiatrist, as well as all of Paul's Letter to the Romans. Reading Psalms 6 and 30 put me at peace for the first time in a while.

Psychosis is strong, but the Lord is stronger still. I should pick up where I left off.
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God bless you, brother. The Lord is stronger still. Thanks for reminding of Psalm 30.
Good on you, hope you're feeling better. You may want to take a look at a Daily Walk Bible, or find an outline online for reading it over the course of a year, it helped me tremendously.

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Do you think that Marian apparitions and miracles attributed to saints may be works of the Devil and demons?
I read that this kid was recently canonized as a saint
>A kid with a pancreas defect asked to a relic of the would be saint to not throw up as much, and later was healed and could eat food without throwing up
>A woman after a fall from a bike suffered brain haemorrhage and had a low chance of survival, her mother prayed intercession on his behalf and the daughter's haemorrhage disappeared
I'm thinking these may be the signs and wonders Jesus warned us about? That those are the works of demons trying to legitimate the power of idols?
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In this case they did ask for help to relics or saints and received help, so how it is?
I know for sure that Guadalupe at least was a demon, because it commanded the man it appeared to to "build a temple to me"
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I don't really see what the issue is, seeing as the shrine is just a Catholic church where the Mass is celebrated as in any other. If Catholic churches dedicated to Our Lady are demonic, the supposedly demonic request at Guadalupe is pretty banal and doesn't seem to be worthy of particular notice or criticism.
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>Satanic quads as well, mhmm
That's how it starts:
"It's just a statue" to "let's infanticide for Moloch". Maybe ancient israelites imagined that Moloch wasn't demonic and was somehow a way for honoring God, they may had sinful consideration and realized it too late, but we're still in time to reconsider the worship of demon apparitions.
>wasn't demonic and was somehow a way for honoring God
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened:
>"4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
>5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord." Exodus 32:4-5 KJV

It's possible the people's intention behind the golden calf fashioned by Aaron was worship for the LORD. God, however, did not see it that way:
>"8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt." Exodus 32:8 KJV

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It is no secret the Eastern Orthodox reject the Filioque of Rome. 
But what is definitive Orthodox statement of what exactly is going on in the trinity? The Catholics can point to Florence. Is there a similar Orthodox statement? 

Part of me thinks that had Florence not dogmatized the filioque as "one principle and a single spiration" The Catholics and Orthodox would've reunited under an agreement that each side had a permissible theological opinion. I mean, the ultimate reality of the Holy Trinity is unknowable. 

That said, is there any way to resolve the controversy without rejecting the other side as heretical? I see all over the place bickering over who is right and who is wrong. But never do we examine any potential compromises or solutions. 

Perhaps we could say the Father alone is the principle/cause of the Trinity. The Father however,  directs the Holy Spirit as Spiration to the Son initially, and the Son responds in like, unified spiration. Therefore, the Son’s presence to the Father calls forth the Spirit from Him, in a sense. It is by his eternal and natural and proper love as Father for Son that the Ekporeusis of Spirit from Father is begun. It is by his eternal and natural proper love as Son for Father, that the Son calls forth the Spirit from the Father. The Spirit’s hypostasis is sealed in its procession by His resting upon the Son. 

Or perhaps would it be possible for the Latins to revoke the dogmatic pronouncement retroactively as the Greeks never ratified
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It also lends itself to the possibility of subordinationism and Arianism that the filioque is designed to exclude.

>Grab a pen and paper and draw it.
It's just a matter of perspective. The Father begets the Son and the Spirit proceeds from the two as if a single principle. So if you didn't draw the relations as a triangle, but rather were looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source. Our God is three-dimensional.
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>from the two as if a single principle.
And we know from Florence, Latin principle = Greek cause.
>from the two as a single cause
>From the [Father and the Son] as a cause. 
Therefore, the son IS a cause of the Holy Spirit. 

Which s EXACTLY what the Orthodox reject. They believe the father is the only cause. 
There is no way around it now. 2=/=1. 
Catholics would have to backtrack the declarative statement of a council ratified by the Pope 600 years ago. Which they cannot and will not do. 
If it were so simple as saying "from the Father through the son" we would've reunited it by now.
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>looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source.
Rev 22:1
Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
>They believe the father is the only cause. 
But do they actually, since they seem to believe in a variety of things so long as they disagree with what the scummy Latins believe.
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My intuition tells be the most humble answer would be something along the lines of: "God was vauge in the scriptures, we don't know how all of this works for certain.".

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