>>25800
>but when I asked one time she said I was fine.
Women are to be judged by their actions, not their words because their word isn't worth anything unless she's a constant do-gooder/action girl.
>I went to her father to ask him first and he tells me she doesn't like me. He goes to explain to me how she told him about my lunch invitation and he asked if she liked me and she said no to him
>he goes on to say that she may change her mind in 5-10 years
That guy seems like a benevolent person for explaining things to you, i think he also went soft on you because if he told you that fact directly but tried to predict something against 5 to 10 years means he knows she doesn't like you at all but still gave you hopes to try again in a decade (3500+ days). And we all know that's not how it works, especially when in 10 years that girl will probably be rode hard by life or someone else(s).
If i were you i would start shifting lanes, something similar happened to me but i never asked directly and got all the clues although quite late, it hurts a lot when you find that special someone but she doesn't like you back or not in that kind of permanent way but it happens, it's like a beloved friend or grandparent dying, it rocks your socks for a while but you get used to the fact although perhaps some people never get over it, they just try to continue and depending how they cope with it they become stronger or weaker but they still change.
> I don't think I'll ever get an honest answer
Your dad gave it to you, women are cowards.
>I already cut off my chances of asking because the day after I slipped her a note apologizing and have since distanced myself.
It's ogre, it happens and at least you made your stance as to apologize for having made her spend a bad minute (not quite as girls like being asked out politely but don't like giving an answer back)
>>25803
>Hopefully something good will come out of all this, eventually
I am not pious nor i have been a good follower i think but from the hearings and words of the Church (several of them) i don't think that often happens with women, i recall a protestant event doing a welcoming sermon towards the youth that said often people come to them and ask them if they can ask God for things like food, clothing and a partner. The basic things i said, why not if one is a good follower and i might be remembering wrong but i do recall that they said you can ask for anything except a good partner because no that's not how it works, food and other basic needs might appear from out of nowhere but you are in for a long sitting if you want a trusty person, i was laughing at how direct and shattering that sounded even if they tried to make it sound okay, especially coming from the denomination well known for trying to go very soft and optimistically about things.
They simply said something similar to >>25804 isn't going to work, somehow finding a good girl is much harder than a steak with fries falling from the sky but they did say 'the key' is to be in God's path, she will not be delivered to you (unlike basic need objects coming from someone/something) but along the way of being a follower (that includes going to church and paying tithe) you will find likeminded persons and perhaps one of them will be a girl and perhaps one of them will be compatible and perhaps one of them will like you and perhaps one of them will be brave enough to be in a relationship.
That was their key, it is often said hence why many outcasts and shitty cunts go into church reunions to prey on optimistic easy girls, hence why ironically many youth churches have good amounts of single mothers recently, it was counterproductive without telling them what the church/The Religion considers a good partner because hurr we are all different and it makes young women lose faith often because they fall into the same predicament: A good partner but also one who also wants their offspring, which in some ways is harder because girls will always have it easier but finding a dude who wants their kid and isn't doing massive mental gymnastics to make it work (alcoholism to cope the kid, ignoring the kid, abusing the kid, etc) and doing so for the rest of their lives is perhaps tougher than a decently-groomed, virgin, hard-working dude who wants a girl who is merely just not a whore.
Both are hard as nails but the former has proven to be an odyssey for many girls as far as i've seen because men get rejected at first instance, girls will get accepted, used around and then dumped by the street-savvy fornicators which makes the girls waste time, vagina conditions and the psyche of their kid who at 8 might've considered 3 or 4 people potential dads to the point of being jaded and never calling someone dad which is a grievance of many adopted dads, this apart from the girl herself being jaded too and calling all men the same despite picking the same gangbanging dudes all the time.
Be a nice dude and hope for the best because if the church known to put rock bands and rave conditions in their services tell you to not pray for a girl because it won't happen then you are in for a wait, "Taking up a hobby" won't work either very often because the moment you get over the basics and try to specialize is the moment you filter all the girls because all advanced hobby groups that are also tough enough to meet IRL or make internet groups are almost always male exclusive, the only women you will find there and the partners of the members inside who are often foreign to the group's interests or participate due to inertia.
I've tried to be more social IRL and taking hobbies, from the 3 things i learned since 5 years ago i have meet 0 (zero) single girls and one of the hobbies is even traditionally female centric, i was scared to find too many faggots and i was surprised the group was founded because some dudes overly specialized and tried to find more likeminded dudes to hang around with and learn other things, not to meet girls like me or some others did which made me find peace and stay there to try learn from them. Women are feeble-minded or so it seems in terms of hobbies, i think they are mostly highly individualistic in terms of that because girls being good at something is common but extremely hard to find in groups so the best way to find a girl out in nature without explicitly going around asking for dates/sex is perhaps finding activity series and sticking there until you get noticed. For example my beloved dream girl used to plant little trees and flowers twice a month around weekends, such activity was organized by a group sponsored by the government to make civilians take care of their small public parks and she went for it mostly because it was part of her studies and because she wanted to do something productive over her free days.
I have tried to do the same but i feel like a piece of shit, i do highly agree about that idea of taking care of small parks and have planted the trees but if i search for it, plan it and go there i know i won't do it in good faith because i won't even care for the planting like i care for my hobbies, doesn't feel right and add to it that those groups build around community-making died since the pandemic and haven't been revived, at least here.
Take into further consideration young girls are digital denizens and add to it that those who take actual IRL are mostly social activists you are in for a surprise. I wonder if back in the old days the dating game was as hard, we cannot know for sure because our ancestors were the winners and do not often talk about the road to find our female ancestors, known non-winners of this game are known because their works transcended them and became famous.