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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Read 1st and 2nd Corinthians. Read and see how Paul, an apostle, debases and humbles himself in his writing, as opposed to the Corinthians who continue in sin and don't know it.
Why are we fighting here? Why do we act like people who have never read the Bible here? So much fighting, coarseness, haughtiness... We are meek, lowly servants. I don't see a lot of love here and I wish that would change. I hope that we can all examine ourselves and hold each other accountable.

>2 Cor. 3:5: Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God

We are nothing, God is everything. Everything that is good in us is God in us, not ourselves. We should all take a moment to humble ourselves.
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>>24669 (OP) 
>Why are we fighting here? Why do we act like people who have never read the Bible here? So much fighting, coarseness, haughtiness... 
Because this is a board of miserable sinners
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That is exactly who Jesus died for.
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>Why are we fighting here? Why do we act like people who have never read the Bible here? So much fighting, coarseness, haughtiness... 
What are you talking about?
>We are nothing, God is everything. Everything that is good in us is God in us, not ourselves. We should all take a moment to humble ourselves.
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>What are you talking about?
Go in any thread here, really. You'll find a multitude of people acting like they shouldn't be, calling each other 'faggots' and 'retards', other slurs, derogatory insults, curses... No love. It's upsetting to me. We are all brothers here, we shouldn't act like this.
In general, there is an air of misbehavior and misunderstanding on this board, which is why I strongly recommend a reading of Paul's letters to the Corinthians. I glanced over them today and Paul's brand of loving rebuke is something this board needs.
that's what I was getting at
>>24669 (OP) 
Why did Christ say "meanie weanie" things to the scribes and Pharisees?
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... or the baptist, or the prophets ?
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There 's a big difference between pride and uncharitable behavior, and telling hard truth with tough love. How do you compare your brothers to the pharisees? Or yourself to the Lord, the voice in the wilderness, and the prophets of God?
"But to those of you who will listen, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 'bless those who curse you', pray for those who mistreat you."
Luke 6:27-28

"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
Luke 6:35-36
>Is your whole walk in "Christianity" just ecumenism and getting along with the world?
The subject of the thread was being charitable and Christlike, especially towards your brothers in Christ. That's not getting along with the world, that is defeating the world.
>Is it based on scripture or is it based on your SJW feelings?
'But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.'
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For leftists and liberals, which is to say modern christians, that passage is literally the only thing in the Bible and of Christianity that matters. Literally nothing else in the Bible means anything to you people, you always go back to that passage and wave your cuck wand over it.
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Why is romantic love (certainly in a woman) based on immodest degradation OP? Specifically from a divine context, not evolutionary theory?

Asking for a friend. Also, mainly for myself. I want to know because it fucks with my head how horrible the dynamic is despite being the one necessary to give new life. I feel that God didn't have to include that dynamic at all.

Also while on the subject, explain to me how I'm supposed to love all of God's creation? I struggle to give all the roundworms and flatworms and tapeworms pet names... Really I just don't know why most things exist, and I don't wanna be told through a bunch of Jewish obfuscation terms, I just want an answer for how potato blight bacteria was made for man's custodianship the same way as, say, a zebra.

Oh and here's another one... If marriage is so important according to Christ, then why doesn't the Bible detail the mechanisms for saving a marriage that's on the ropes and close to sin/infidelity? I've given relationship counselling before and it works okay, but it's all based on fallen world stuff. None of it has been really biblically based. I think the specifics of frame holding/losing/regaining in a relationship ought to be spelled out more given man's/woman's propensity to cheat.

I'm a Christian, but it's really notional only once you dig below the "Christ is manifest virtue" rhetoric. The rest I've not been able to make sense of.
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You can do it to any book, interview or article in any context, though. Print the snippet you want and leave the part out where you have to be capable of repentance to not be judged.

Out of every problem I've got with Christianity, that it operates as a bit of a free love cult except (until recently) for sexuality doesn't really bother me. I do not think that aliens will ever come visit us until we're capable of expressing Agape as a matter of default. I think Christianity is right to try to reach for it aspirationally.
>Why is romantic love based on immodest degradation
Can you explain what you mean by this? What is immodest degradation?
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Vanity or immodesty are a prerequisite to romantic love. From a male point of view, men care about your fertility and not your feelings, as the norm rather than the exception. Visual appearance is a clue to that fertility. If you're ugly, whether it is anybody's fault or not, your list of potential suitors goes down. So women focus on vanity naturally, and it's kind of our fault.

Meanwhile women have a more obvious or direct degradation mechanic to me. They will sit at a bar imagining or mentally cucking you. I barely understand the dynamic, but by point of comparison I ought to try looking like a better protector and a better provider, in the way of physical or social muscle or throw some cash around. On the quiet I only care about these things to be more useful to others, but when dating it helps that you can flex immodestly.

If you confuse Eros for Philio, or Agape and you're not careful to cross the beams then you'll be deemed to "catch feelings" and dropped for being a man with desperate vibes, or for being emotionally needy. You basically have to love conditionally, or at the very least form an omission of the truth if it isn't.

Further still, if you consider being kicked out of the garden of Eden as being given exactly the kind of environment you need or maybe even asked for as a species because you all wanted to understand truth by having some frame of reference (I realise may not be canon to scripture), 

then why subject humanity to it all in this exact way? There are fish that throw their seed into a big pod and the point of immodest comparison is that of surviving just to get there. It's as if we need extra opportunities to sin for some reason, because we're self-aware and know what we're doing.
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I don't think I have a good answer for you but here are my thoughts.
You're talking about two different things. First is the situation of people finding certain things attractive and some people being more attractive than others. The second is people's responses to that situation. Is the first thing a bad thing? Is it a sin? It's hard to say that it is. Beauty exists and it is good. Beauty of body, of behaviour, of character, and so forth. You can't blame people for being attracted to attractive people and some people are just more attractive than others. Regarding the second part, vanity is a part of our fallen world. I don't know if all attempts to make yourself more attractive are vanity or sin in some way. Maybe it depends on motive or circumstance. Maybe it depends on how you do it. If any women are sitting there mentally cheating on men then that's a sin and part of our fallen world as well.

The problem you have is that people realise what the game is and then go to desperate lengths to make themselves appear more attractive. The problem is when they are consumed by it right? That obsession is what drives them towards vanity. They have set up a false god in their hearts. It compels them into the mentality of both "I'm never good enough" and "my girl/boyfriend isn't good enough." They act on that and it compounds their sin and degrades them by their subjection to the false god. It's easy to say this but what now? Shall we say that you must not actively seek a marriage partner? It's easy to point out the problem but when you're the guy who's at the bottom with tfwnogf, can you kick him down by telling him to give up his obsession? That's the cruel trap of it. So I don't really have a great answer for you sorry.

Regarding the bit about eros and agape, I suspect that's because accepting love is actually hard. It might even be harder than giving it. It's easier when someone loves you for something you're good at or some other fact about you than for no reason whatsoever. If someone doesn't consent to being loved, there's not much you can do (c.f. God and those who reject Him).
I don't know what you're talking about with the Eden stuff.
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