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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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How can I create and host my own image board like zzzchan or 4chan ?
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>>19096
I kek'd.
Who'd be Luther in this situation?
>>19005


Personally I found 4chan a weirdly useful tool to organise my thoughts.
quoting and referencing my own thoughts.

Running an entire personal imageboard might seem a little excessive but it's curious how the format can be adapted for personal use.

images and files associated with text, backlinking and greentext my previous thoughts.

I'm not really familiar with much software so maybe there are dedicated programmes that enable this already and other features.
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so you wanna run your own ib, huh?
well, you are in luck, i started mine this month and i can tell you all the easy steps i took while they are still fresh in my mind
>step 1: choose a programming language. haskell is a good choice
>step 2: write a http parser. it has a pretty easy format that can be processed just by seeking and slicing the string. also you can ignore 97% of the headers
>step 3: write the rest of the backend. it is just shoveling data into a database, it doesnt get easier than that
altho you might wanna do some processing on the data first. like if you let users post text, obviously you should escape special html tokens
>step 4: install tor and generate an address. dont listen to the jews ITT, you dont have to pay a single dime to host LLM spam online
>step 5: be careful where you post the site's address. there are plenty of niggers out there who enjoy ruining nice things
>step 6: optionall also host over i2p and maybe even yggdrasil if you are feeling autistic
and that's basically it
it took me about 1 month to create it, but that's bc i was still learning haskell and got sidetracked to study category theory several times
knowing what i know now, i could prolly create a new one from scratch again in 3 days tops
anyway like the other anons said, 
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>>19450
Who in this thread brought up LLM usage much less while claiming you must pay for it for some reason? Would it be for fake traffic like on halfcuck? Your imageboard stays dead as sheep like traffic so if you wanted to make money via ads you could use LLMs to attract real sheep and then they'd get ad in their faces and you could make like 10 cents x 50 people a day, that's 5usd a day, I wonder if it'd pay for the server... anyway, is that what you were thinking? Why would you not do that?  You could at least have pretend friends. Not that I'm about to do it as I am not OP. I got stuck on my first day on the free code camp with web design many years ago and decided to play around with  Lua and Love2d instead, as I actually enjoy having fun. As it is I failed at that too as my potatoes needed older versions of Love2d and that had backwards compatlibity issues, Love2d did, and so I gave up. Neither here nor there though. It'd be cool if captcha was a 10 second video game, like Cirno having to dodge bullets until it lets you post or you play tetris in fast motion for 5 seconds, that sort of thing. Maybe a video game board could have that and a tech board you would have to fix a line of code and for art you'd have to draw a picture of squares, circles, basic shapes, or perform shading or something before being allowed to post. Too bad the imageboards are all the same. For the pol posts you could take a politic
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>>19451
Freaky nigga from Florida.

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I think this is big enough deal to merit pulling it out of the 'news' page into its own thread. If you don't know what's going on, a bunch of states have pulled a fast one on us and are trying to/have passed age verification laws in various states in the U.S. on the operating system level.
- Lunduke's Journal has been having a spree providing updates on it ( lunduke.substack.com )
- I made my own page to try to keep track on what you can do. Please think about sharing it (or something): https://websitereview.neocities.org/ageverification
- Reclaim the Net has a campaign trying to counter it https://reclaimthenet.org/age-verification
- The EFF has a campaign https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification .
I've included some minor links suggested by >>18007 and >>18008 . Please keep in mind I'm a moron and don't know what I'm doing, but felt something should be done here. Please share your own sites, updates, and thoughts on the situation.
THANK YOU F
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>>19360
I mean, it's a fact this shit has been passed numerous times before and been slapped down by the courts every time so far. That gives us more than hope, it gives us another avenue to fight this by pressuring the judiciary.

>>19365
>>19420
This

There is no reason not to vote, send letters, make phone calls, attend local political meetings, and talk to your IRL social circle, because the time and effort required are microscopic. It is not mutually exclusive with any other activity.

Even if you're a revoLARPtionary fedposting registered informant, there's STILL no reason not to do it, remember basically every successful underground revolutionary insurgency was accompanied by legitimate "fellow traveler" movements operating parallel to it openly in the public sphere.
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>>19422
>someone agrees with me
>pizzagate meme
>illogically claims that it's okay to send letters but it is also doxing oneself 
Just like when hippies said the government controlled minds this shit reeks of tin foil hat bullshitery, what when they meant propaganda and not radio waves, and even if they meant radio waves they meant the tv and or the radio and not schizophrenic bullshit. Is this an adhominem tactic to make us both look insane and retarded for him having agreed with me? 

After they ruin the Internet we'll just have rings irl, like Neo to the raver club type people's like I brought up before. If that's what they want then they can fuck up the Internet, exploit the software until it becomes impossible. you should be sending letters to Mullvad to bring back port forwarding rather than this gay shit. It'll get worse, yes, and once it's gone we'll be better for it as there won't be any regulations at all. You can ask for drugs with the full romset of Nintendies. Can I bring up how it should be ROFs? This always bothered me, but never mind. Read only file... is a read only memory? Smh. I bet tech has an excuse for roms always having been called memory but using langauge so wrong is one reason sellers to this day confuse space and memory.  If memory is ram and the hdd has space and files in and if 
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>>19445
> to make us both look insane and retarded
You are doing a perfectly fine job yourself, don't worry.
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>>19446
Whenever you're done acting like a middle school's sassy prep girl you can give me a real reply.
>>19445 
As I already described upthread >>18080 >>18841 anonymity is useful and necessary for numerous purposes that are completely legal, while absolute bans against anonymity create and exacerbate all sorts of crimes. This in in addition to the particularly bad effects >>19217 that stripping anonymity from the merkin Internet will have on the entire world.

So no, this isn't about piracy or drugs, any more than it's about protecting children.

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Firefox 152 ships JpegXL for the first time ever in regular builds.
It's still behind a flag but that will probably change soon. (about:config image.jxl.enabled)
In Chrome too: chrome://flags/#enable-jxl-image-format

We won in the end and Google and their cocksuckers at Mozilla bent over when the PDF Association made JXL their standard.

How do we get imageboards to finally allow uploading .jxl?
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Well, noisy video GIFs with gif optimized artifacts seem to stay the same or slightly go up in filesize.
Pixel art and drawn .gif seems to decrease in filesize.
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iirc noisy gif "videos" also do worse in lossless webp.
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>>19384
AIUI that issue about letting the user specify a color palette. JXL still uses color palettes internally for compression.
>In JPEG XL, there is a concept of palette but it is seen as an internal coding tool (to get better compression for images with relatively few colors)
In any case, I decided to try -e 10, which is way slower but is successful in reducing overall size:
$ du -h /tmp/gif*
647M	/tmp/gif
729M	/tmp/gif-jxl
607M	/tmp/gif-jxl-e10
(also cleaned up some GIFs that cjxl failed to load, which is why the gif/ folder is smaller now).

There are still some that are substantially larger, over 2x. Looking at them it seems to be caused by random dither every frame (picrel in order from largest JXL to smallest). That's going to be really hard to recompress efficiently without loss of detail, so >>19385 >>19386 is right.
>>19366
Thanks.
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i just realized something
even browsers that block canvas access by default (torbrowser, librewolf) still allow data to be written to them
so you can display arbitrary image data using javascript with no permissions
QOI is a fairly simple format, the decoder can be implemented in JS (someone has prolly done that already)
so your site can serve qoi images and have the client display it with your custom decoder
real schizos already browse with images disabled so they dont care either way
nojs larpers will whine, but larpers gonna larp

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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>>19419
Alright thank you
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What is this bullshit now?
Are Reddit front-ends reliable? Can you access 18+ content on them?
>>19440
It is over, anon. Get comfortable.
>>19440
Yes to both.
>>19440
Use it as opportunity to cure your porn addiction.

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Post about /tech/nological cancer that you've dealt with in the past.
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>http stands for hypertext transfer protocol
>it is supposed to transfer hypertext
>instead it is used to execute javascript on your machine without your consent
I propose a new name: the javascript-execution-without-consent protocol, or jewcp for short.
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>>5492 (OP) 
RAM prices and the impact it's having on /tech/ prices in general.
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I don't know how or why forums and mailing lists keep tolerating blatant AI slop. It's bad enough I might actually log off and touch grass forever.
>>17657
RIP
Which romsite got taken down this time? onto the next iteration.
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>>19413
Myrient died and it still hurts.

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Discuss /tech/-related news.
What will happen if section 230 is nuked?
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https://github.com/isene/frame
Some faggot asked a chatbot to write an X11 server in x86 assembly. Which is all kinds of horrible, but still better than Wayland.
>>19275
>asm
Interesting
>no gpu hooks
Silly
>>19275
Wayland is great. You're retarded.
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>>19285
Fantastic argument, you've just convinced me to switch to wayland+systemd+uutils and own the fascists.
>>19275
Sure, but much worse than xlibre.

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I'd previously assumed that Electron-esque garbage like Snap and Flatpak were just a fad confined to lazy commercial software, but along with a slow general decline in community packager activity, I've recently noticed more and more dev projects like GIMP and Handbrake abandoning official Linux builds for distro-native package formats. Reading a bit about it, the underlying tools and standards for packaging appear to be in general decay, and I was surprised to see some distros like Ubuntu and Fedora making noises about completely abandoning their package managers at some (usually vague) point in the future!

Throughout the span of modern Linux distros, before the need to resort to manually installing every single version of a piece of software, as an alternative to waiting for the distro's repo to update from (sometimes painfully outdated) stable versions, there were pretty much always builds of whatever available from either the developers themselves or some helpful person's PPA. Without that, Linux will become much less convenient to use at best, far more bloated and broken at worst.

It has been suggested by some, such as this article:
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
that the main problem which allowed such moronic software to gain momentum (aside from security flimflam exaggerating its sandbox capabilities) was Linux's not
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>>18902
i miss this particular gay 30 years after everything was shit microera
literally a nostalging soyjak
>>18870
Not that fag, but I came across an old interview where theo says that out of all the sofware groups microsoft have put the most effort into security mitigations or something like that.
>>18935
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but imagemagick got some pretty bad CVEs recently, including one where a maliciously crafted .bmp could do arbitrary code execution whenever imagemagick tried to decode it. funnily enough, if you use git blame on the code that was responsible for the vulnerability, it was from a "claude assisted" commit (imagemagick has recently implemented an ai-tolerant policy)

the only comparable tool I could find besiedes graphicsmagick was this:
https://github.com/libvips/libvips

once again I'm reminded that the only effective security model is simplicity and minimizing attack surfaces. I only use this machine for recreational programming, consuming media (books and music) and browsing some sites, so I'm seriously considering ditching gentoo for a non-posix microkernel, maybe writing my own x11 server for it, maybe a smaller, custom protocol

speaking of, does anyone have resources on how to write a gui library from drawing primitives? like algorithms on how to distribute space between widgets and such. all gui toolkits from qt to imgui implement this stuff but the code is usually too idiomatic and specific to the program for me to extract any abstract insight
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>>4739 (OP) 
This package aint dying
*thrusts out hips*
>>19362
>libvips
<LGPL
<CoC
Pass

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removing boomers from the internet would solve all its problems

on the turn of the century we all used the internet as teens. we all had msn and icq, maybe irc. we all knew how to browse and make websites. run emulators, download music. use forums. download pr0n. say niggerfaggot. play video games. maybe write code

we knew not to follow advice from the internet. not to run random .exes. we were 10-14.

then the boomers came, around 2010. before that they didnt even know what the internet let alone a computer is. they saw that teens are using the internet
>NOOOO my kidderinos gonna see the forbidden fruit!!
they saw that instant messaging exists
>NOOOO my kidderinos gonna talk to a stranger
they saw websites
>NOOO its about something i dont like MAKE IT ILLEGAL MAKE IT ILLEGAL MAKE IT ILLEGAL
they saw that their son could make a website
>NOOOOO you dont have a license
they saw their son emulate a game that has been out of sale for 40 years
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>>19280
I'm trying to find the source (journalists absolutely suck for not linking where they get their statistics from), but if you search the topic, you get a fuckton of news articles from over the years pondering why Eurofags drive way more manual transmission cars than Americans. It's a crazy difference if they all aren't lying, as supposedly Eurofags went from 80% manual transmissions in the early 2000s to "just" ~30% a couple years ago, whereas an abysmal 0.7% of burger vehicles on the road are manuals.
>>19280
>Americans own more cars and drive more than Europeans
True, bigger population, a lot of roads, big brands and factories.

>>19276
>The average car is made under the assumption the average driver is functionally retarded
Proving the point that most drivers in the world are Americans, the target consumer.
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>>19287
>>19276
>The average car is made under the assumption the average driver is functionally retarded...
That can't be true. The average car has heating and air conditioning, which the average yuropoor has not yet figured out the mystery of despite decades of dying from lack of both.
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>>19279 
A couple things to note about that. In comparison to the US, in the EU both road and rail are wholly overshadowed for share of cargo ton-miles by the inherent geography of deep seacoast penetration and crisscrossing inland waterways that the more  US lacks:
https://theicct.org/toward-a-greener-global-freight-transportation-system-oct25/
Also, while pickups/SUVs are less popular in Europe than the US, they are also less necessary. Cars (sedans, coupés, hatchbacks, stationwagons, etc.) overwhelmingly favoring manual trannies in the European market are rated comparably to a light truck or better in terms of towing capacity, whereas in the US this feature went extinct (due to regional differences of both mechanical and regulatory nature) in the 1980s, just in time for the burgerlard pickup/SUV conspiracy:
https://www.dieselarmy.com/features/why-is-it-diesels-can-tow-more-in-europe-than-in-the-us/

>>19289
Asked a chatbot about this out of bemused curiosity and:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_air_conditioning
>The innovation was adopted quickly and by 1960 about 20% of all cars in the U.S. had air-conditioning, with the percentage increasing to 80% in the warm areas of the Southwest.
>By 1969, 54% of domestic automobiles were equipped with air conditioning
https://carinterior.alibaba.com/question/when-ac-became-standard-in-cars
>By the late 1980s, over 70% of new cars sold in the United States included factory-installed air conditioning
https://www.wardsauto.com/news/archive-wards-europe-cools-off-ac-on-60-of-new-cars-a-big-jump/763116/
>Published Sept. 1, 1999
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Ever since I switched from systemd to sysvinit because of >>18176, I find myself questioning all these nerd turf wars I explicitly have ignored.
My normal daily setup:
- systemd
- X11 (gnome)
- Pulseaudio
- Vim
- Debian
Now I find myself wondering about OpenRC, Wayland, Alsa, emacs, LUKS, Trisquel, TailOS[, and GNU Hurd]. Which of these in your experiences have been worthwhile? What's the most privacy respecting setup?
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>>18466
>https://suckless.org/sucks/
Why exactly are gcc and clang coded in c++?
>>18467
And I'll ask the follow-up myself.
If Microsoft is sabotaging cross platform UI, then why would Electron not be sabotaged?
The answer is that they are already working on it.
Microsoft uses "embrace, extend, extinguish", and is now "embracing" in this area.
One example is Edge, which is also based on Chromium (the engine used by Electron), and is further focusing on this broader technology by using React Native for core components of the Windows 11 UI.
It's only a matter of time before they introduce changes that are prohibitively difficult to keep up with, and will make it a horrible experience for users and developers.
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>>18469
Another important example of MS embracing Chromium is VS Code.

Also, they might introduce changes to have more influence in Linux, for example by depending on systemd.
This way it does "work on Linux", but only if you help to give them more power, which they will inevitably abuse further on.
tl;dr for people who don't feel like wading through a book's worth of wiki pages and imageboard posts

A. glibc has maintained ABI stability for decades, sure every now and then there's a bug, but they've maintained ABI stability

B. ABI stability doesn't mean that your program will continue to work if you rely on undocumented implementation details, 

C. jeets have failed at B since before the dawn of the electronic computer, and for some reason game devs chose the hash format used for symbol lookup as the hill to die on, something a video game has no reason to care about
>>18389 (OP) 
emacs fag here, I did the opposite and checkout Vim afer 7 years and loved it. Now I use emacs with evilmode, mpv, mupdf and a vim-extension on irssi.
I messed around the runit init system on Void and have been loving it, I'm never going to systemd again.

Wayland is trannyware so I'm sticking with the boomerware Xorg. I also got rid of Pulseaudio and I manage to record video gameplay with my mic using just Pipewire+Wireplumber and Pulseaudio compatibiliy layer so that's nice.  are enough for my sound setup.

Another thing that's been worthwile for me was checking out the tiling window manager meme. Fucking life changer.

>>18392
>pic
Holy moly, now I remember the infamous blog post.
But to be fair cuckchan's emacs/LISP general is a discord troon circlejerk, although it's not as bad as the mpv/ffmpeg generals.

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