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user like >>5493
Windows
osx
rust
webshit
java
coc in open source projects

Remember when Google wasn't an evil megacorp? Those were the days.

>>5493
Windows. It's impact on performance is such a cancer they abandoned implementing their Linux-compatible interface. Now they only support running Linux in a VM.

>>5506
Linux. It gets bigger and slower with every update, and 90% of its software is half cooked including Wine which turns 30 y/o next year... If the bar for OSs wasn't so low Linux would have gone extinct ages ago.

>>5492 (OP) 
Fuck how I miss YT's old layout. 
That shit was kino.

>>5507
Linux sucks for all the same reasons Windows sucks.
Big, slow, complicated, broken, terrible interface(s).

And it gets praise for the same reason Windows gets praise: its users have never tried anything else, so they think their experience is normal and things have to be that way.

This is the end result of all that "let's bring all the Windows users to Linux" bullshit: they made Linux into the new Windows. These are the same people who think importing niggers to Europe will make them behave like white people.

>>5492 (OP) 
x86 and IntelME/AMD PSP

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Just downloaded Opera for 3 seconds to see if it played Flash games but I think the actual website no longer loads the flash resources. And just look at it. It looks like a desktop. People literally have an operating system in their operating system. Everything in that second OS opens up over the network. Plan9 truly was ahead of its time.

>>5503
>>5492 (OP) 
Want to know how bad OSX is?

>Trying to "tech support" for family member
>I haven't used macshit in years
>Apple has changed up their fucking file manager to such asinine levels that just trying to do shit that would be fucking basic-tier in linux is a huge pain in this ass.

The 'funny' thing is? As a kid, I was a huge macfag from OS9, to OSX 1.3. Once lion came out, I ended up hopping to windows 7, and eventually to linux.

Fuck apple, they ruined my childhood memories and became the very monster they claimed they weren't.

>snowden happens
>one millisecond later, all a sudden, every email service unanimously decides you cannot make an account without SMS verification
next level cancer:
>need some not even half working, proprietary android app to show that you are vaccinated in order to travel

>>5510
>Linux sucks for all the same reasons Windows sucks.
>Big, slow, complicated, broken, terrible interface(s).
Agree on all but the last one. Windows never suffered from terrible interfaces pre-8/8.1, and even after 8/8.1 the interfaces were still not as bad as a literal niggerbox TUI despite being dogshit.
>its users have never tried anything else, so they think their experience is normal and things have to be that way.
This 100% applies to the average die-hard Linux user. In my personal experience though (Windows->Linux) I've discovered new features in Linux that I just can't live without now... The Windows and Linux userbases need to cross-pollinate as much as possible for their own benefit.
>they made Linux into the new Windows
Lmao not even close. Software (and hardware) never just work, programs are entirely TUI-based or have retarded GUIs, no real alternatives to professional tools...etc.
The only "Windows" feature Linux inherited is the bloat and abysmal processing speed.

>>5516
Opera is Chromium-based so no Flash, however it has a few nice QoL features like scrolling screenshots and Copy/Search popups when you highlight text.

>>5523
>Apple has changed up their fucking file manager to such asinine levels that just trying to do shit that would be fucking basic-tier in linux is a huge pain in this ass.
Just ls your way around it anon :^)
>Fuck apple, they ruined my childhood memories and became the very monster they claimed they weren't.
This happened to Microsoft as well, at least the old ISOs still exist and can be emulated. Plus the future of comfy OSs is un?fortunately in the POSIX world anyway.

>>5528
SMS verification came to be years after Snowden anon, it was megacorpos' way of fighting trolls and anonymity... and it worked.

>>5529
>TUI is bad
Yeah do you assume all screens are touchscreens as well? Fucking winigger. Terminal is efficient for many applications. Just because you have adhd and shit reading skills doesn't mean it is bad.
Guis suck, window systems and display suck even more. Graphics is the single most cancer thing ever happened in the world of computing. They attract normalfags who only understand the world as a series of sprites, icons and more recently emojis (they even need pictures in text to say anything). Text is efficient and universal. Graphic engine of any kind takes much more computation and they are generally unnecessary. Things that can be done in a keystroke now takes a click and movement after having to shift your hands to the mouse or touchscreen. A simple stdin/stdout byte stream becomes impossible mess to program on one's own (framebuffer maybe).

>muh text
no, its not universal, as clearly demonstrated by ASCII/EBCDIC^Wcodepages^Wucs^Wutf-16^Wutf-8 and then the constant updates to unicode

>>5537
>ASCII/EBCDIC^Wcodepages^Wucs^Wutf-16^Wutf-8
Oh no, there are different code page therefore it is not universal. Typical winigger faggot, universal as in able to represent any data, not universal to be accepted by any system.

>>5536 ((( You )))
>you don't like TUI? I bet you like touchscreens and emojis and [strawman]!!!
>things that can be done by typing paragraphs into a black box now take a couple clicks reeeeee
>read the 453 page manual goy!!!
Try compositing images and videos from the command line monkey brain, or watch a movie in 80x25 text mode like the schizo you are. Run two programs at the same time and see how well fbdev handles it you one-track minded faggot... You'll always be a shitbrained NEET LARPing as a leet hacker, operating a glorified typewriter and accomplishing absolutely nothing. Kill yourself doublenigger.

honest question /g/ but do you think about namefags? are they cancerous? the original 4chan had lots of namefags if i believe right
is autism tolerated here? or do i need to blend in better? sorry if this sounds stupid

>>5540
>can't read manuals written in English, the write man language
>don't learn the commandline, gui is so much simpler goy
>don't learn to type either, use only two fingers to type goy
>you can never use your computer unless I make buttons for you goy
Which part of many applications do you not understand?
>not using graphics is bad for graphic things
Nice cherrypicking.
>run two program at the same time
I run tmux in framebuffer terminal on machines that don't even have xorg installed. ssh to multiple machine and run at least 3 programs at the same time.
>shitbrained neet
lmao, I don't know if I accomplish anything but they are paying me to do it.
Go back to your faggot phone and ask what is a computer guinigger. White men use the commandline.

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>>5544
>>can't read manuals written in English, the write man language
>Go back to your faggot phone and ask what is a computer guinigger. White men use the commandline.

Nice autocorrect

>>5545
Well fuck I guess you won. I feel silly now.

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>>5544 (wasted dubs)
>there is no need for graphics nope not at all they're cancer and unnecessary, you can do literally anything in text mode!
>did I say graphics are unnecessary? oops I meant they're unnecessary for text-based applications! they're actually necessary for graphic applications duh
>of course I multi-task, I run only one graphical program in fbdev and a whopping THREE text-based programs in the background!
>I'm getting paid for it so everyone should follow me
>I am a white WRITE MAN!
<autocorrects out the ass
The jokes write themselves.

>>5549
>can't fucking read
<you can do anything in text mode
Never said that. And yes, you can edit video with mlt, suckless has a funny tool called blind http://tools.suckless.org/blind/ , and image with imagemagick.
>run two programs at the same time
>all programs are graphical
You should have stayed with your gameboy and Xbox. Most wincucks have the misconception that "programs" are what they see due to the education of their system. Fucking pathetic niggers doesn't even know what is a computer. 
>autocorrect
A gaymer NEET like you probably don't know posting from company devices fucks you up. Maybe you should try getting a job.

>>5550
why would i be posting during work hours. i dont use phones or computers when i go outside

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This is what pops up when you attempt to search the issue tracker on GitLab while you're not signed in.

>>5583
I thought GitHub would do that first. Where else do you host your code for free without this bullshit?

>>5584
Your own gitea instance, obviously.

>>5584
I don't know if these are any better:
>https://bitbucket.org
>https://gitgud.io
>https://codeberg.org
>https://sr.ht

>>5607
>codeberg
CoCked
>sr.ht
Needs a paid account to create repos (or becoming a contributor to the sr.ht source itself)

GitGud is probably your best option. No opinion on bitbucket.

>>5611
>>sr.ht
>Needs a paid account to create repos
So when did that happen? The "pricing" page still says it's optional.
https://sourcehut.org/pricing/
>sr.ht is currently in alpha, and the quality of the service may reflect that
>As such, payment is currently optional
Don't know what that means in a SanFran soyfag's head who moved to Europe because he's afraid of Trump or something.

>>5629
Scroll down to the "continue" buttons, free accounts are only for contributing to existing projects, anything more and you need to pay or contribute to the sr.ht source.

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user like >>5503
linux
hardened linux
vala
terminal emulators
C (and java, because it's based on it)
LICENSE in open source projects

>>5636
>using cancer
What is not cancer? Nearly everything is based on C. Posting here takes thousands lines of C.
>LICENSE
What is the alternative?

>>5637
Don't reply to bait, dumbass.

>>5492 (OP) 
Computers, those are cancer. I had to deal with computers. Still have to do that today and still hate it. There is no good software, it is all terrible, and I have used all of it so I know that from experience.

This isn't a technological cancer but it is related to the internet. Dicussion on the internet has become a shit-flinging tard fest of name-calling and bad faith as evidenced by >>5507 , >>5510 , >>5529 , >>5536 , >>5537 , >>5540 , >>5544 . There are many good points being made but it's unreadable due to the sheer amount of rage

>>9420
>shit-flinging tard fest of name-calling
>the sheer amount of rage
Honestly that's part of the fun of using imageboards... But it's not always like this, sometimes discussions don't have much shit flinging. Depends on the board and the topic being discussed.
The healthiest discussion forum I've seen that's still alive and active right now is HN, I visit it almost daily now alongside /tech/.

>>5510
I don't want to believe someone actually said "linux users have never tried anything else" but he is most likely not even a bot. You can't live your life without using windows soo every linux user used windows in the past and probably still use it for reasons. both sides are same argument is objectively false in this context, all linux users used windows while most windows users don't even know what linux is nor have the tech literacy to use linux.

Linux has million legitimate issues and people still make shit up to argue against it.

>>5540
I've done nearly all my programming work on plain text consoles (often not even graphical framebuffer). Ditto with sysadmin work. So long as a user can run his favorite text editor or Emacs-OS or whatever, there's no need for anything more than plain ASCII or UTF-8, because the system commands and programming languages are all in english. You might need some graphics terminal if you're working with chinese moon runes or something, but for just UTF-8 you don't. Here a plain text terminal that allows redefining or loading custom fonts/charsets is enough.

Technology is a service that we use. We pay for it but we have little say in how it's made. It's intended for profit, not to be optimal. Until we get our own technology sector, we're stuck tolerating what we're subjected to.

>>9457
Terminal emulators are handicapping. There's no reason to emulate a 1970s computer when you can use the native functionality of a modern system.

>>9453
HN?

>>9457
<discussion is about graphical work like image/video manipulation
>muh programming and emacs
Did you read the post you're replying to?
>You might need some graphics terminal if you're working with chinese moon runes or something, but for just UTF-8 you don't.
UTF-8 supports CJK just fine, you have no idea what you're talking about and have clearly never used foreign script in your life.
The way you're using your OS:
>pure programming/sysadmin work in English only
is not even 1% of the use cases of Linux, let alone Windows or Macintosh. You don't get to talk about how a modern OS is supposed to look or behave.

>>9461
https://news.ycombinator.com

>>9464
Linux is a 1970's OS, pretty much.

>>9455
Since linux is something you need to go out of your way to download and install, complaining about it is attention seeking schizo territory.

>>9477
Computers are so antique. What is a computer?
>>9453
>HN
>healthiest
Did you mean ai generated? Most posts on it are shills and bots. The amount of soy on HN is unreal.
>1% of use case
Use cases don't justify the result. You are not the developer. You don't get to talk about how their own software is supposed to look or behave.

>>9420
Accusing someone of "bad faith" when you are wrong doesn't make you right.

>>9453
>>9483
HN is only good if you use its search engine. 95% of threads are completely full of shit and most users on there are annoying, although not nearly as bad as on Reddit since I actually got upvoted in the past when I talked shit about trannies. I abandoned my account because HN creeps me the fuck out, especially ever since I learned that the Altman faggot was a suit for it long ago.

>>9483
>You are not the developer. You don't get to talk about how their own software is supposed to look or behave.
Neither are you, so by that logic you don't belong in this discussion to begin with... Developers don't make software for other developers, developers make software for users. If you don't know who your target userbase is and how they use your product then you already failed as a developer.
>The amount of soy on HN is unreal.
That's strange. HN is one of the very few online forums where both the users and moderators defend free speech, the latter acting more like IB janitors than moderators. And yes you can say nigger and faggot on it, but you'll get downvoted if you're not contributing meaningfully to the discussion.
If you wanna see soy central check Reddit.

>>9490
>ever since I learned that the Altman faggot was a suit for it long ago.
Who's that?

>>5638
>>5637
It may be bait, but everything he said is right except for the C part.

Linux is a backwards, regressive operating system that in any given point is between 10 and 20 years behind Windows, and it also infects others with its brain damage.
Terminals are full of broken in-band signaling that is a constant source of trouble.
Copyright shouldn't exist.

>>9592
>by that logic
Retard. I don't need to be a developer to talk about how you don't belong in this discussion.
>developer don't make software for other developers
That is exactly how linux and free software started.
>failed as a developer
Users are almost always wrong. Most people are stupid, catering your software for them makes your software stupid. A successful developer doesn't makes him a good developer, pajeet can write shit code all day and be highly successful. The software is still shit.
Developer don't write software for users, they do it for money or fun. This is a very geocentric argument. Pretty much every software pushed by money goes to shit. Case in point: webshit.
Knowing the user base, most of them don't deserve software. Most users are too lazy to learn or look up information. It is the toleration of this that produces degenerating users who are spoiled to the point of saying "software exists for us".
>defend free speech
They also promote ((( inclusiveness ))), jabs and shill "popular" languages and tools.
>>9507
>may be bait
Why yes, how do you know?

>>9457
Most things can be done that way, but the fact is that GUIs have been a common thing since the early 80s, and the fact that these systems still do that this badly is not a sign of good design. I was using GUI programs on 90s hardware, so there's no good reason for GUIs to be considerably more bloated than TUIs. Also, UI design itself hasn't progressed at all, it has even moved backwards. And of course, it's also worth mentioning that the way that TUI programs work, that some people prefer, isn't inherently exclusive to TUIs. You can just look at Emacs, it works the same way while also having graphics, and it also has multiple command lines, that are great for programs that you have no binding for, when your hand isn't on the mouse. Though admittedly, maybe the way that the menus are structured could be improved.

>>9483
>What is a computer?
A miserable little pile of numbers.

>>9502
>Developers don't make software for other developers, developers make software for users
Generally. But a lot of free software developers aren't like that, and that's a reason why so much of it sucks. No interest in actual design. And more tragically, pretty much all the developers that actually care about efficiency have no interest in actual design, so you get programs with no UI at all, that are more primitive than old DOS programs. Programs full of antidesign.

>>9502
>Who's that?
CEO of OpenAI. Used to be the president of YCombinator (HN) and Reddit of all places. Notorious for doing the exact opposite of OpenAIs name and shutting down everything open about the company and its products. Has managed to convince retards on the internet to PAY him to beta test their products so they can grow even stronger.

TUIfag that outed himself as a phoneposter(that uses the default keyboard, no less) shouldn't get this much replies. He will get filtered from linux and be a raging linux hater in a week anyways, what he thinks now is worthless.

compression software are the worst in different ways in linux and windows, they capsulate the worst of those OS'es in a way. In linux no 2 compression software uses the same arguments, you have to man it everytime you use or write aliases, it absolutely sucks. In windows the UI is dogshit slow, there are too many unnecesary popups and installing them never feels secure because the zip websites are always designed bad. There are probably better software and frontends that make them more pleasant but i don't want to waste hours testing those.

>>9516
>t. filtered from linux
I have no problem phoneposting on my Linux phone and work on my TUI computer. Just because I like TUI doesn't mean I can't use GUIs. I have been using Linux for years and I love it. I only grow to hate GUI and GUIniggers more and more because every piece of GUI software I can't avoid using has gotten worse every single time. I had to use a windows 11 machine last week and I can't understand how anyone can tolerate such a retarded ui.

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>>9517
The problem isn't with GUIs inherently, it's with the degeneration of software in general. And really, it goes beyond that, it's everything, all culture on this planet. Also, there is the problem that in some ways, Unix systems shove updates down people's throats even more than Windows does. It's the ultimate updooter OS family. You can't just not update individual programs, that's mostly not a thing, because dependencies being updated will break them (while also making everything worse in some cases, like with each version of GTK being worse than the previous version), and there's no backwards compatibility. So, you don't even get the option of using older and more efficient GUI programs in a lot of cases, unless you don't update at all. 

You can get around that by just giving up and using 70s software, but that doesn't solve the problem. Hell, it makes it worse by lowering standards even more. You don't really see actual good GUI programs being made today (other than older programs that probably got slightly worse but are still fine), for the most part. Everything is either 70s software made by people that don't even try to design a UI (while still using multiple times more RAM than the entirety of Windows 95) or a slow piece of shit written in Python. Computing is basically dead. 

Maybe you can get some DOS-style software like Midnight Commander. Even that's a lot more advanced than most Unix software (made by people that have a considerably higher than 0% chance of using ed just to take their YouTube-inspired "minimalist" LARP to the limit, while still using more system resources than old GUI programs), just by having an actual user interface at all (while still having commands, which is nice). It's so bad that if you can get away with it, you might as well just run DOS programs using dosemu2. Maybe run an offline Windows XP VM and share windows from that.

There's also Emacs. Probably the best program in existence, despite being slow, unstable, broken, janky, and generally a huge pile of almost 40 years' worth of bad design decisions and compromises.

>>5536
While I mostly agree about GUIs being nigger technology for the most part outside of pre-1991 aerospace UIs using vector CRTs for men who have to know their shit, don't need computer to be ((( easy ))) to understand and can read analog instruments because not everything needs to be a 6 million taxpayer child sacrifice touchscreen, try telling the Nipponese in the 1980s or any other culture/ethnicity using non-western giga autismal logographic scripts about the universality of text interfaces.
I wonder how indigenous nipponese programming language syntax would've evolved in a world where Hitler managed to nuke the US to a peace agreement in time to prevent Operation Downfall and any subsequent occupation of glorious Nippon by filthy foreigners.

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>>9520
They managed ok with just graphical (pixel-addressable) screens. They would probably not have enjoyed the Osborne 1 that was my first computer experience, as it only had 7-bit ASCII and a plain text terminal (as in if you write to video memory, you get a text character somewhere on the screen). Well at least the Osborne had a screen, even if it was only 5-inch in size. A lot of earlier CP/M computers had to make do with hardcopy teletype terminals.
Ultimately a GUI is only needed if you're going to do GUI type stuff, like CAD, deskotp publishing, 2D art, 3D modeling, or something. But even there, you don't necessarily need the retardation that is a modern OS (and the supercomputer it depends on to run that bloated pile of shit). Amiga, Atari ST, Classic Mac, and various others did all those tasks decades ago.

>>9520
>While I mostly agree about GUIs being nigger technology for the most part
GUIs are an exploratory interface, they're good for when you don't really know what you want, all the options are there in front of you just click around and experiment. That's basically 99% of home computer users which was why Windows became such a success.

CLIs include extra cognitive load to remember what are the commands and arguments and what are the syntax patterns (is it ip addr add dev or ip dev add addr or ip link set or...). The advantage of CLIs is that they are much faster when you do know what you're doing and it is much easier to automate. Find all pngs bigger than 1mb and convert them to jpg, 5 minutes on the command line, 5 hours with a GUI.

>>9523
Another advantage of CLI is you can boot straight to a tty login screen, instead of loading Xorg and all the stuff it requires. I don't even load GPU driver on my ARM board. Memory usage is minimal, especially since I also got rid of systemd, and rolled my own /etc/inittab script with busybox and cut down the deamons to the minimum needed. Also the system is safer too, because there are no open ports at all, just filesystem sockets for a few daemons. But I also took the time to deny all incoming traffic via iptables (unless it's part of an established connection that I started, of course).
Not all CLI tools are good though. I can't stand NetworkManager, it's just too cumbersome for me. I removed that and use just ifupdown.

>>9507
>10 and 20 years behind Windows
Windows has adverts in the start page. I hope Linux stays 100 years behind windows.

>>9578
I'm thinking about stuff like Windows Vista getting ASLR and Linux still struggling with it. Or Visual Studio providing a simple and easy to use set of scripts to use to cross compile stuff to, say, Windows on ARM from Win64, which GNU still can't do. Or glibc still suffering from the Year 2038 bug while Windows 2000 fixed it.

Dumb Linux users acquire a superiority complex born out of contrarianism and ignorance, Linux devs do the same as they sit on their asses uttering "hahaha I'm free I'm superior" and staring glassy-eyed at the ceiling while every other OS is decades ahead of it and increasing the gap.

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>>9579
I'm not going to defend Linux, because it has become shittier over the years. But to me, features like ASLR and cross-compile doesn't really add anything useful. I'm much more interested in keeping the codebase small, very very small like TempleOS or old 1980's computers. That way it's manageable by one person, rather than needing a cabal of CIA niggers to maintain the gorillion lines of code that can only run on backdoored botnet hardware. To me KISS is the most important element, and basically all the modern OS have failed bigly.

>>9579
I have a continually updated ancient install of linux.
Everything works. Everything has continued to work.
Everything has either increased in performance, or stayed the same.
I can move the drive containing this install to a 15 year old computer and it will still work, even if it's slower.
It works without an internet connection.
It's UI never significantly changes.
Using Wine and DOSbox it can run nearly every piece of software I care about. Using virtualbox I can run the two programs in a virtual machine that I can't run regularly.
I get to decide when to update software. If the project maintainers don't do what I want, I can compile the software myself.
Everything just werkz, every configuration file is plain text.

>>9583
A typical software company doesn't rewrite code to make it more optimized. It implements bloat, ads, drm, proprietary standards, planned obsolescence, and stockpiles technical debt for future generations. Writing difficult to understand code is necessary to stay employed. There's not many good programmers. They are either unfunded or funded but without control over the project. There's no way to produce good software in this culture.

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>>9588
Yes, I understand that aspect quite well. But this culture didn't materialize out of nowhere. All you have to do is look at who runs or owns the big software companies. It's the same kind of ((( people ))) that are behind big pharma, MSM, banking, the military-industrial complex, and so on. They want complete control over everything. Better for them to have everyone on unmaintainable shitty buggy backdoored systems, and they can even sell you "upgrades", maybe even get you on a permanent subscription system ("you" here also meaning your own body).

Smartphones.
The nigger swipety swipe UI and the niggercattle who use it make me sick.
This degenerate POS technology has turned every last possibly decent person into a nobrain nigger subhuman. Zoomers are spiritual niggers. I hate this whole fucking degenenerate timeline.
At this point only a global nuclear holocaust can revert the damage done by technology to this whole species.

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>>10048
>swipety swipe UI

And I'm still using it because it's the only way I can communicate with people on the other side of the continent because my shithole country is full of NIGGERS.
Sometimes I mount this shit to my bike to take my russkie friend on bike detours.

>>10054
>owning a smartphone

>>10064
>leasing a smartphone

Would computer in CY+8 be more or less gay if instead of AMD64 and multi-core homogenous CPUs becoming the norm past 2006 IBM grew enough balls to release Xenon-derived HSA CPUs to the consumer Desktop PC market with Sony following closely behind and Microshit releasing a PPC version of Windows Vista ahead of the x86 versions?

Every OS that is not OpenBSD or TempleOS

>>11810
java

copyright is great but only if ts racial copyright or at the very least national copyright
make whites get licensing and pay fees for using uhhhhhh something made by non whites ( as if ), and make non whites pay for white technology ( the entire fucking modern world )