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One of the cornerstones of the unix filosophy is extensibility, and is great piping all of these programs one onto the other, like a assembly line folding aluminum onto cans. But the world isn't the command line, nor some lisp machine, because programmers define the specifications and estrucure of data as the want.

How should all this different programs even live along? Because not even all programs even consider this method. Vast mayority of GUI Apps are designed to be its own data ecosystem, cause i would be neat if i could reuse their subroutines for my purposes (like plugging GIMP's filters onto Kdenlive pipeline, or inspecting CAD software path finding wiring algorithms)

Here i am talking of modular design, maybe even replaceable parts; but i am skiping a lot of implmentation. 

Although ou got monolytic black-boxes programs like ffmpeg, yt-dlp, imagemagik. They work so well, and their interface is very accesible, even if their internals are whole opaque.

You go too programs like Unreal Engine, Blender, Davinci Resolve, LaTex; they are walled gardens, but ther internal ecosystem is rich in scripting, and as factories, they spit a finalized can render product.

Dont even talk about interface. Is the low caliber pipe of plain text enought? By the way, Wich one? ini, cvs, xml, json?; Should we consider creating specifications, binary formats? Isn't that really propertary? But midi just works so well; Are you ready to enter the world of local net protocols?; Let's imagine more: Not delivering data, but access to data, and sending the subroutine-as-a-primitive that parses a shared memory location of opaque data structures.

Sometimes i feel unghinged. The world is spinning all without me, and people are working really well on those conditions; i am. The "People will use whatever we produce" has a positive side too, so look at the plethora of scripts that do extend walled gardens. Look at the other side of the fence, at linux ricers and their adventures at config land, where they see the vast lands between mouments of programs, Did you know that deep into the etc folder, Xorg created a programming language for their config files? Its so funny

I got stuck sorry. If you promise me staying another paragraph. Some lispers at Palo Alto did this, and created this graphical enviroments where all the data was passed as pure messages, though a byte code custom cpu, and all its partes could be changed, inspected, debugged and customized; GUI its not for the weak, its for productivity on the less keystrokes
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Popular software is proprietary, siloed, locked down cuckware because corporations want it that way and people are too dumb to resist, for example no phone OS choice, nobody uses open and interoperable chats, companies block objectively better frontends, removing software locks is illegal. Interoperability would kill their profits so they don't do it and actively fight it.

>would be neat if i could reuse their subroutines for my purposes
It would be. Sometimes the only thing preventing it is none of the volunteers care to make a standard, other times it would create complexity because interdependency between GIMP and Kdenlive, can't update filter system on one without rewriting the other. Photo and video filters could be incompatible because while video is a series of pictures, a filter could cause effects like shimmer seen in in video game AI upscalers.

>black-boxes programs like ffmpeg, yt-dlp, imagemagik
These are open source and a lot of it is modular code, libraries. If you need something specific they don't expose the way you want, the relevant code can be imported or copy pasted into a new tool. yt-dlp is a thousand python modules, it's not some single file spaghetti.

Proprietary like Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, CAD software, it would be nice if those were modular. Not gonna happen because this world is about treating other people like bitches and goyim, or being a freeloader making $500 a week using GIMP and not kicking back $1. Smart communism would solve this by governments taking over funding, smart capitalism would solve it by users supporting good practices. But there isn't anything smart where masses of propagandized goyim are involved.

>Should we consider creating specifications, binary formats? Isn't that really propertary?
No, open standards aren't proprietary. The JPG format is binary but not proprietary.

>How should data be shared between programs? As plain transparent codecs, or as routines for acess?
Doesn't matter as long as it's standardized. This isn't the issue, a lot of this is solved, people just don't care and get cucked for convenience instead.
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unix is bloated and backdoored since systemd. i only run templeos now. oh, nvm lambda is back, no need to use this cucked website that blocks my name

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I'd previously assumed that Electron-esque garbage like Snap and Flatpak were just a fad confined to lazy commercial software, but along with a slow general decline in community packager activity, I've recently noticed more and more dev projects like GIMP and Handbrake abandoning official Linux builds for distro-native package formats. Reading a bit about it, the underlying tools and standards for packaging appear to be in general decay, and I was surprised to see some distros like Ubuntu and Fedora making noises about completely abandoning their package managers at some (usually vague) point in the future!

Throughout the span of modern Linux distros, before the need to resort to manually installing every single version of a piece of software, as an alternative to waiting for the distro's repo to update from (sometimes painfully outdated) stable versions, there were pretty much always builds of whatever available from either the developers themselves or some helpful person's PPA. Without that, Linux will become much less convenient to use at best, far more bloated and broken at worst.

It has been suggested by some, such as this article:
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
that the main problem which allowed such moronic software to gain momentum (aside from security flimflam exaggerating its sandbox capabilities) was Linux's not
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>>4745
Are you planning on not using LibreOffice, anon?
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>>16310
I have no use for it, personally. Sometimes I'm forced to use a modern web browser, but that's basically it. Everything else is entirely up to me. And I'd rather just use vi to write my documents. But here's a nifty hack that I stumbled upon recently:
https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/linux123.html
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>>16313
That's neat, I wonder how hard would it be to run it on a modern BSD. Or on a PDP-11 emulator running 2.11BSD.
>>16290
>A few years ago Theo de Raadt made a statement that Windows now has better security than Linux
Couldn't find anything like that. Please post your sources.
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>>16319
You'll have to search harder. I don't have the page bookmarked. Just search for all interviews with him, and you'll eventually find it, maybe. Search engines now are pretty useless.

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> Made using 100% free software
> 3D Animated movie
> One guy rigged models, wrote story, voiced half of the characters, composed music
> Took 3 years
> Out since October
> In total has less than 300 views
> Sends an email to Free Software Foundation. They don't promote it.
https://odysee.com/@blenderdumbass:f/why_morias_race_is_shit:1

Why isn't Moria's race more popular?

Movie:
TOR: http://ttauyzmy4kbm5yxpujpnahy7uxwnb32hh3dja7uda64vefpkomf3s4yd.onion/films/Moria's_Race.md?
Odysee (LBRY): https://odysee.com/@blenderdumbass:f/moria-s-race:5
Peertube: https://peer.madiator.cloud/w/vmPmME5XPWNc8uXSMe1xCk
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>>12357
>Problem with producing things such as movie is that most movie people are not movie nerd, they evaluate movie not by its technical value nor effort. 

Except there is zero technical value here, and only effort with no meaning. This film looks like complete shit, and it will look like complete shit to anyone whether they're a "movie nerd" or not. I'm fairly sure you're the creator of the video, so I'll just say that you need to step back and look at this from square one. Make your characters not look like they're parodies unless you're actually making a parody. They look fucking horrific.
>>12479
>The render engine that they are using is good enough to convince me that this is a real photographic image. 
Are you brain damaged?
That was so dumb but I'm surprised that I got more and more into it the longer it went on. I hope this guy can make something better and he's not the kind of autist that just shits out the same level of quality his entire life.
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>>15930

He's actually making a GTA clone based of the movie.

https://video.hardlimit.com/w/oNhei3W9ER6se1G7vZXmTx
>>12353
>I think he made everything on his own, including every single model. Animation of any kind is hard work. There is no way to make it quick and easy...
This is the shitter's excuse, along with whining about being "indie" (or, in this case, FLOSS). You don't get an A for effort here. You get an A for quality. The character models are bad, the animation and voice acting are fucking bad, the plot and writing are bad, and the sound doesn't have any adjustments made for 3D, making it all sound worse (also bad microphone).

There is waaay too much polish lacking. It's no surprise no one is going to advertise this shit.

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Users of all levels are welcome.
Remember, don't go full autismo like billy-o. Productivity takes priority.

>What is software minimalism?
suckless.org/philosophy
wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat
wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_software
wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code

>Recommended Operating Systems & Linux Distros:
Alpine, Artix, Devuan, Gentoo, Glaucus, Guix, Oasis, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Plan9(front) and Void.

>Useful links
https://nosystemd.org/
https://harmful.cat-v.org/software
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>>16238
Install lineageos or something on it
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>>16261
Aren't custom ROMs buggy when it comes to bank applications?
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>>16263
Not quite sure but i know libreboot is. Try it. You shouldn't be stupid and have actual bank apps on your phone though. Seriously.
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>>16267
Not him, but I have a bank app on my phone, because it was the only way for me to do wire transfers outside of the country. I'm in the EU and can't even do wire transfer to next door eurozone countries with my online banking web interface, it simply doesn't allow it. Also the bank has done everything they can to require phone authentication with their app (not just an SMS code or whatever). At this point I'm not sure the web interface is good for much of anything except checking the balance in your account.
That's actually why I bought the phone in the first place. I needed to transfer large amounts of money overseas (wire), and buy gold/silver (wire is best here, and often the only option). Otherwise I wouldn't have bought this phone. I don't even use it for other apps or web browsing.
>>16267
Why not? It's great being able to do anything I need without having to actually go to the bank all of the time, often they're not even open when I'm available to go there, the applications make it much easier to manage my money on the go.

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Excuse me for the low quality thread, but
WINDOWS 11 IS FUCKING WEBSHIT
THE UI IS RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
THE PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
Yes, I stole these screenshots from Twitter. News this fucking retarded does not deserve a good thread.
The absolute fucking state of Microsoft.
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>>16183
So does LMDE. You answered the question wrong.
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>>2273 (OP) 
>tfw microsoft ruined windows with windows 8 because of fucking tablets of all things
>never recovered from it and made windows great again and they never will
>an android tablet is a better desktop experience than windows

It's crazy.
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>>16244
it's crazy that an android has more consistent icons than even windows ios and even possibly linux unless there's a icon theme I'm missing out on where basically all the icons are the same.
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>>2273 (OP)  (OP) 
>Excuse me for the low quality thread, but
>WINDOWS 11 IS FUCKING WEBSHIT
>THE UI IS RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
>THE PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
>Yes, I stole these screenshots from Twitter. News this fucking retarded does not deserve a good thread.
>The absolute fucking state of Microsoft.
Microsoft has been doing this for 3 decades now, kid. Internet Explorer 4 was fucking infamous for its unremovable Internet Explorer integration with the Windows shell (which was part of an anticompetitive practice to try to fuck over Netscape by forcibly bundling computer with Internet Explorer that they couldn't so much as deactivate). If you had fucking Windows 98 your Windows Explorer was hard integrated to basically run inside Internet Explorer. There's a reason why we always shat on Microsoft.
>>16190
The answer is the same no matter what Mint edition you use.

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Post about /tech/nological cancer that you've dealt with in the past.
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>>16251
It also enrages me that while doing this the tech subhumans have stolen open source code and proprietized it for decades to literally facilitate corpokike spyware down people's throats. In any android install there are over at least 40 obscure packages with little or no documentation installed that users have no need for. Remove the "wrong" one and the phone will conveniently not boot.

>>16250
lol such bullshit. I still have to solder a new switch on to my favorite mouse's m3 clicker. I would try contact cleaner first but I don't feel like buying a can just for that.
>>16252
b-but i already have one.... just laying around doing nothing.
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>>16254
Wat
>>16252
I'd say this too but my g305's scroll started malfunctioning like just a few months in and I was too lazy to ask for a warranty replacement, maybe I was just unlucky because my g203 worked for like 4-5 years before it started malfunctioning
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>>16256
None of my  mice ever had a malfunctioning wheel besides from pure abuse of middle clicking to open a new tab and closing a tab every time which I just learned just to right click and open a new tab and the shortcuts on my keyboard.
Razer's mid click is dogshit when it comes to durability and instead of just double or even triple clicking it won't even work.

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Did the CIA use a train to kill him? Or did he realize his physics waifu never loved him and he killed himself?
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>>13962
Thank you for your service, you contributed to the legend
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>>16055
I don't think he cared that much about Linux tbh, as it wasn't as holy as Temple

>>16090
Im pretty sure updoot autism would've challenged his patience

>>16117
Agreed, I'm happy Ubuntu helped me got on the Linux train. With Canonical faggotry however, I quickly realized i needed to look for a better distro.

Funnily enough I rather enjoyed Unity and even installed it on later version where Canonical started to ditch it. At that time, the bloggers who got me into Linux in the first place had had enough because Unity was too big a change compared to Gnome 2.
I've seen many of them migrate to Mint and/or the MATE desktop.
>>13962
What a cool story, did he seriously take the time to lecture you in all 3?

>>13983
Evil faggot grifters who trolled and used him as a lolcow are responsible for his death, i forget the name of the guy that was most responsible specifically. Terry was probably one of the world's best  programmers, making an operating system alone as one person is such a huge behemoth task it's incredible how he managed to get all that done and still be mentally unwell. What a legend and an inspiration to programmers everywhere.
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>>16127
>Evil faggot grifters who trolled and used him as a lolcow are responsible for his death
I might be mistaken, but I remember reading about how one of them was talking to his parents online while impersonating him in order to keep them from reaching out to him so that he could make him think that they didn't want to speak to him and that the resulting isolation might have contributed to his suicidal depression.
>>16124
CIA niggers holding him at Area 51

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Since the usual suspects seem to be constantly gatekeeping this while the typical corporate inbreds are trying to destroy everything it's time to have a thread and generate at least some interest and informative value on recent AI/LLM developments without any bullshit.

>Have VRAM (preferably a recent gpu)
>Anything under 8gb vram is pretty effin bad(but it's not fully over and you can still easily generate cool art though if that is your thing)
>If you are okay with slowness you can run off a decently beefy CPU and ram

LLM Agent? Do this.
>KoboldCCP
>a .gguf model from a site like 
https://huggingface.co/ 
>rtfm

Hopefully you should have a pc that can run QWEN e.g. programming aid something like Qwen2.5-Coder 

Art? Do this.
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>>16212 (OP) 
There is already an AI thread.
To add on to your post:
Get the best uncensored models here: https://huggingface.co/spaces/DontPlanToEnd/UGI-Leaderboard
Hardware wise, get x99 and dirt cheap xeon, load it with ram and either modded 2080ti 22gb, or modded 4080(d) 48gb, load everything on a mining rig. You can buy everything from china.

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Today is Windows XP's 20th birthday. Say something nice about it.
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>>16182
I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days. The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
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>>16184
>I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days.
They were. I literally IP range scanned the open internet back in the day and found tons of computers with open network shares and whatnot.

>The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started using the internet. Second off, while DSL lines and the like did come with external modems, they were only external modems for the first several years. They weren't external router-modems like today. So there was no modem LAN. It just directly connected your PC to the internet. If you wanted a LAN you'd have to buy your own router and connect your modem to it, because they were separate devices (or you could buy an expensive router that had a built-in modem).

Early on routers weren't even part
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>>16186
> No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let
 alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started
 using the internet.
I was paying only $35/mo for ADSL in 2000, and cable modem was $50/mo. The ADSL needed a POTS phone line to function, but I already had one, and unlike dialup modem you could also use the voice landline phone at the same time. An dialup ISP would have been about $20/mo. So it's not like we're talking big money here, just $15 more per month, and no hassles with the phone line being busy like I had in the mid 90's, because I was constantly online. xD
Plus the speed difference was night and day...

>> First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001
That doesn't mean everyone jumped to install it. I know a bunch of people who stuck with Win98 for several more years, and only got XP when buying a newer computer or needing some new software that was for XP. Don't forget XP is one of the NT-based Windows and it needs more hardware resources. A lot of people would have need to upgrade their computer to run it. If they're poor like you're saying and can barely afford a 56K dialup modem account, then they don't have the money for a computer upgrade. I lived in an apartment building in 2006 where 
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>>16187
>I was paying only $35/mo for ADSL in 2000, and cable modem was $50/mo. 
Yes, but the internet was still a new thing to most people and not everyone was down for monthly fees like that. Nowadays we all accept internet as an essential utility, but back there were plenty of average people who weren't paying for high speed internet.

>That doesn't mean everyone jumped to install it. I know a bunch of people who stuck with Win98 for several more years, and only got XP when buying a newer computer or needing some new software that was for XP. Don't forget XP is one of the NT-based Windows and it needs more hardware resources. A lot of people would have need to upgrade their computer to run it. If they're poor like you're saying and can barely afford a 56K dialup modem account, then they don't have the money for a computer upgrade. I lived in an apartment building in 2006 where some neighbors still had Windows ME. They had shitbox old PCs too.
Yes, but I'm talking about early Windows Xp connected to the internet.

>But they could download music from Napster (or whatever was common at the time) and chat online, so they were happy.
It was primarily Napster and then Gnutella/LimeWire or Morpheus. Also MP3 sites. Beyond that you still had the occasional FTP, BBSs, the alt.binary.sounds newsgroups, and XDCC bots on IRC, but at that point you are going down the warez rabbit hole.

>Also there's another reason people didn't all just run out to install XP: it doesn't run DOS programs (this was before DOSBox/emulators became common). A lot of people still had old software, including games they wanted to play. At least with Win9x it was possible.
Well, 32-bit Xp did run 16-bit DOS software, but it wasn't true DOS anymore and a lot of shit wasn't really working well. 64-bit Xp, on the other hand, flat-out had no support for that sort of thing and a big reason to run Xp was the 64-bit transition.

>My first ADSL modem didn't, because I was an early adopter. But I had a bunch of computers already and I setup one Linux box as a router, and had a hub connected to it (hubs were much cheaper than routers back then).
Dude, if you were setting up Linux boxes in 2000 you were part of a small minority of advanced computer users. The average person wasn't fucking around with that shit and was still a 1 PC household, maybe 2 (one for parents, one for kids) where they had to choose who has internet at the time. And yes, hubs were more the norm back then. They were very popular for LAN parties.
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>>16187
>>16188
Access to ADSL, especially affordable ADSL, in 2000 really depended on where you live.

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What is the final document format? Not text file (unformatted). I am asking for formatted text document, with tables and embedded images. What is the final solution?

Proposals:
-ODF (.odt)
-Rich Text Format (.rtf)
-HTML
-DOC (.doc)
-DOCX

Considerations:
-is the format simple, efficient, small?
-is it open source, free, or at least without patents or some other shit
-is it supported by large amount of software? for import and export
-is it malware? has hidden metadata and other shit? complex and proprietary?
-does the format allow for huge documents?
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>>16145
No, the odt spec is much shorter than docx and openxml is the corporate definition of "open". What you wrote is utterly deranged.
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>>16189
>openxml is the corporate definition of "open".
mit license is about as open as you can get. You're not some kind of gpl cuck, are you?
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Hey Faggots,

My name is John, and I hate every single one of your formats. All of them are fat,
retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass raster images. They are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever
gotten any gopher? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your
own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than
jerking off to 3D-PDF on facebook.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of the WordStar team, and starter on my text phile team. What games
do you play, other than "jack off to naked DOCX anime girls"? I also get
straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO
cash). You are all faggots who should just ed yourselves. Thanks for
listening.

Pic Related: It's me and my bitch
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Experience showed that relying on a format isn't the right solution because it would put a burden on every system to be able to read and edit that format, the solution imo would come from a markup syntax like HTML or MD for simple text. The solution has always been text. Said text should be interpreted following a syntax to produce formatted documents.
(What a tragedy that Org and MD were invented in parallel at about the same time. They have no business having separate syntaxes).

>>16193
Thanks for the nostalgia feels
>>16191
Solid bait

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