/tech/ - Technology

>>18976
>just keep an entire separate OS installed with an old glibc for building your software bro
>need new libraries or toolchains with your old glibc? just compile them bro just fucking compile your entire environment from source bro
>oh your program broke anyway because of glibc symbols? well that's your fault bro we all know glibc never breaks lol

>>18979
It doesn't matter how you ship your libraries, the failure point is always glibc. You can link against any glibc version you like and your program will still break sooner or later when glibc updates on the user's PC. This has been glibc's routine for years, see >>18465
>This shit isn't rocket science
LMAO when devs are willing to put up with JS cancer and ship applications in a fucking browser instead of dealing with your open sores libc then you know it's rocket science. Stop sucking GNU's cock.

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>>18981
>Compile your program for your host os with dynamic libraries on an older version? Nah just compile it with dynamic libraries on a completely different OS and run it through a compatibility layer 
>Oh your program broke anyway because of a Wine regression? Well that's your fault because we all know compatiblity layers and emulators never have regressions
I ain't defending glibc's stupidity: I'm calling you a hypocrite.

>>18982
Wine regressions get fixed, glibc regressions usually don't.

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>>18983
Most distros ship a patched version of glibc with DT_HASH kept intact. As retarded of a decision as that was upstream, it has effectively been fixed downstream for the vast majority of Linuxfags.
This is what usually happens whenever upstream glibc breaks something. It is obviously a serious problem to have a libc whose devs repeatedly pull that shit, but in practice it gets "fixed" until glibc ends up replaced. Telling people to not write Linux software over this is like telling people to not use the Win32 ABI on Windows because sometimes Microsoft does things which break your program, except the Windows user is a lot more helpless than the Linuxfag in that situation.

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>>18091
I've been running into issues and I want to update others that, even though I'm sure most would never even bother with a setup like this, I don't recommend it as a main setup and especially not as your only setup, a lot of software isn't available, and even the things it's supposedly so good at that the cons don't matter, like browsing, aren't the best because the versions we have here of internet browsers are worse and often have compatibility issues with some sites, even when using the "use desktop version" button or something. I still love my setup, but I won't lie and pretend it isn't a very limited one still.

>>18808
>some of the BSDs are also working on their own X(enocera) successor, Arcan.
Arcan is not tied to any of the BSDs as far as I know. Or do you mean that some people try to port it to a BSD?

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>>18808
>If you surrender the ability to run your main environment on something at least competitive with modern hardware, and access modern networks with it, you've lost the game. The moment we're squeezed into retrocomputing on a dwindling supply of eWaste quarantined from the normalfags on our own LARPnet, we've been neutralized.
That's unfortunately an important point. "Just use old hardware" and "just pirate all software" are not solutions to problems, but consumer responses. They aren't sustainable on their own, as they don't create, but cling to what others make without financially supporting them. Relying on old hardware depends on that dwinding eWaste supply you mentioned, and exclusive piracy depends on the very fragile community and technical/legal context surrounding software piracy. 
Actual solutions, on the other hand, involve providing ways to create and support those who create. You also ideally want to address the problems that push people to use cancerous software or centralized web services in the first place as opposed to you just acting dismissively towards them. Think Gaben's "piracy is a service problem," but replace piracy with whatever cancer you wish: systemd, webshit, Rust, Discord, or Steam itself.

I gotta head off now, so I can't wrap this up or expand on it the way I'd like to, but I'd suggest looking into the concept of intermediate technology. Al

>>18815
SystemD, even against Pootering's ambitions, is still being forked into separable libs, most relevantly eudev. Admittedly this means these forks are powered by a steady supply of autistic spite that could hypothetically wink out. As for Wayland itself, its Linuxisms are little worse than other freetard/*N*X stuff that has been needlessly Linuxized over the years, such as when DRI/DRM/KMS/GEM/EGL was Hoovered into the Linux source tree, or the broader implementationisms enforced by decades of convergence on glibc.

>>18816 
I mean that Arcan has made conscious efforts from the start to avoid absorbing gratuitous Linuxisms, including implementations for OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Plan 9, etc.

>>17062
Gentoo because it had always been about your personal choice. Portage is very flexible. If you don't want to build software yourself, you can use binary packages nowadays. The next best thing is either Void Linux or Alpine Linux. Alpine Linux is very good but since it uses musl, you may need to use Flatpak, distrobox or gcompat.
>https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Software_management#Running_glibc_programs

>>18820
I thought the eudev project basically stopped because it was too much work for the dev to keep track of all the bullshit changes they were making? People seem to be using elogind now and running systemd udev.

>>18044
>>18162
That's actually a really good idea. It's similar to my Galatea, but more food-based. If you put the batteries near the "feet", the battery weight can be an advantage with a counterweight. I think you should pursue it!

>>18169
It's not waiting, it's work, a lot of hard work. 
Also going schizoid can be a great time and you can hallucinate waifus at a cost to your sanity. Been there done that. miss it a bit to be honest, used to just listen and play with the music in my head, messes with getting things done and interacting in society though.

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>>17765 (OP) 
Galatea has been updated to v3.0.9. She now has a new body with more aesthetic ratios, and new accessories.

>>18170
That robot is not going to build herself, anon!

>>18170
>>18926
Exactly. It's a new frontier.
Visit /robowaifu/

The fact (real)  political discussion on the internet is the most poisoned well in the history of mankind should tell you something.

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>>18917
The most valid concern I've seen is that politics is a very big stick that isn't always appropriate for the scale of your problem. The other thing is that if you aren't careful, you can give your party crazy powers to deal with one problem which then get used against you when you're kicked out.
There's obviously a place for it, but it's something you gotta be careful about. Otherwise you get crap like the current wave of tech-illiterate boomers destroying the web because they have no idea what "just make everything check your ID, how hard can it be?" implies.

I mean in general. A good example of what I'm talking about is brown people insisting to use usraeli social media like whatsapp and X while bombs are turning them into meatfetti. How stupid can people be? They had their actual dicks blown off by their sail foams a year ago and they keep using them. I saw some brown woman in lebanon say "how can kids learn without power for their phones?" INSANE. What is a pencil and paper bitch?

It's some kind of animal passivity. Animals don't plan ahead in a fight and neither do 99% of people on the internet. Nobody forces you to sit and do nothing while LLMs turn the entire web into the Truman Show. But asking people to use their own hands and brains to make their own handmade computer programs to talk to other poeple is like asking a monkey to fly to mars. Even though LLMs put this ability into everyone's hands because you can just say "HOW DO I TCP YOU FAGGOT ROBOT" and it will explain in perfect detail without having a tism rage like the faggots on stack overflow.

First off, internet /= web.

But also, the web has no practical purpose to begin with, an entire operating system specification built from several worst in class standards, possibly the worst programming language ever made (and oh boy does this title have competition), and 2 implementations that compete for worst piece of software ever written, all just to send and receive text and files in the most devious rube goldberg machine ever devised is a monumentally retarded idea from the start. 

And it's so blatantly obvious from a glance that anyone who didn't already know this before I made this post either lacks the beginner level knowledge in network protocols, programming language design, serialization formats, etc, or is not right in the head, which scares me a lot, because it means most programmers are clinically retarded if they did not form an alliance and vow to never write nor allow anyone else to write any javascript, json, HTML, etc upon first seeing those out of sheer disgust.

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>>18923
>the web has no practical purpose to begin with
To be fair, back in the early 90s it must have seemed like a great idea to give the writer of the document the power to specify the colour of the background and the ability to embed some pictures into the text. But as those horrible late 90s webpages showed, it only really gave people the power to waste bandwidth with unnecessary clutter. And by the 2000s it became obvious that you could also use it to track people and to build ever more centralized systems.

And in hindsight, the very idea that someone else should decide for you the exact appearance of a hypertext document is flawed. How could some random faggot know better my preferred colour scheme and font than I do? Not to mention that I like it when I can both read text and stare at fat 2D tits at the same time, which is not a feature supported by the average website. At least by now many websites have both a light and a dark colour scheme, but it's not standard, and many of those themes are quite horrible. Not to mention that websites have to support a practically infinite variety of resolution and aspect ratios, so the more elaborate and specific a website's design the less likely that it'll work as intended.

>>18138
At least you're (I assume) looking to make a technologically mediocre implementation of your (no doubt brilliant and inspired) new ideas, instead of retreading old ideas with as much bleeding edge technological optimization in implementation possible as your first project, like this guy:
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=CJ94gOzKqsM

>>18138
>primal revised simplex using sparse matrix/vector arithmetics and Bartels-Golub method to iterative LU decomposition
I am going to say this as harshly as I can so you really get the point:
Coming as someone who studied numerical linear algebra let me tell you that there are graduate students in numerical linear algebra who would have no idea wtf you just said. You are so deep inside either imposter syndrome or Midwest sandbagging that I don't know what I can possibly tell you at this point other than your so-called performance issues are deathly serious psychological and esteem issues as opposed to intelligence.

>>18147
You're giving me too much credit. I am exactly retreading something that was thoroughly explored for optimisation in the 1990s and more-or-less solidified in set of "state-of-the-art" industry standard techniques by 2010s, at least as far as LP optimisation solvers go - most variations past this point seem to focus on heuristics for picking best-suited scaling and pivoting techniques for a particular problem and avoiding degenerate states. And my domain is as trivial as finance.

>>18218
I only participated in uni for a limited time but from what I've witnessed, merely being seen at every lecture scores you higher in than actual understanding of the topic and it's tangents, so at least in some extremes it may be testing the bureaucratic/conformation aptitude more than anything else. While I don't discount that someone brilliant may choose to stick around, it is doubtful that act of graduation alone is a meaningful achievement.
Thankfully, scihub and researchgate are around, so there is no need to be academic environment to have access to whitepapers, but while I can make a working implementation after cross-referencing the arbitrary notion syntax for several days, the understanding is only tentative and amounts only to consuming and regurgitating essentially, being entirely dependent on someone truly impressive to kindly share their find

>>18128
Update: I'm sticking with Kotlin and KorGE. 

As to Rust and any game engine related to it, I'm not interested. I'm taking up the D language. I think D is a very good and underrated language. The most complete engine offered in D is the Dagon engine, spearheaded by a very productive and focused Russian man who's spent 10 years building it by nearly himself: https://gecko0307.github.io/dagon/

So, as of right now, my game dev languages are Kotlin and D and my game engine choices are KorGE and Dagon.

I came upon this article discussing how during the 90s people would finger .plan files for direct access to the daily musings of gamedevs like John Carmack.

https://irclol.com/digital-prophets-doom-plan-files-tech-journalism/

I explored using finger and making my own local .plan file, but I'm a little confused how this was actually used in the 90s were they web facing and not internal? What was it really like, how did anyone know who to finger?

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I should also mention that the comments for that article are really helpful if you're curious about specific details, such as what GOOL and GOAL fell back to assembly for (GOAL much less so). Since someone will likely ask about garbage collection, I've heard GOAL managed memory in various ways depending on the task, with garbage collection being used for some of them, but I don't know the specifics.

>>18899
>I recall seeing the observation years ago that all of Luke Smith's endless Vim plugins and suckless programs added up to something like a janky, fragmented version of Emacs' featureset.
Makes me wonder if you could popularize emacs with a striped down version that doesn't have tetris, snake, and 2 different IRC clients included by default. You know, take out everything until you can run it on a Pentium processor just fine in a terminal emulator, but also leave a path to add back all the features missing from that version.
>As for Andy Gavin's Lisp dialects, I'd recommend https://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/03/12/making-crash-bandicoot-gool-part-9/ from his excellent series on Crash Bandicoot's development. 
Thank, will read it.
>It helps that he was honest about areas where that MIT culture you (?) brought up got in the way. 
Indeed, that was me. And it's nice to see a practical example that I can bring up in the future.

Also, this thread is not only derailed, but also autosaging.

>>18903
It might be worth making a new one when it falls off the front page. I guess I'm a bit biased because I'm partially responsible for the derail, but I think this one was alright because parts of it tie into how Guix manages the operating system.
In general I'm really glad Guix exists. Previously they had a vague idea that they wanted Guile as an extension language for the GNU OS, but no real vision or outlet for that. This gives them something distinctive to aim for and gives users real advantages for using it, even if the project is inspired by NixOS.

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>>18898
>if emacs was not a single process running lots of programs, but dozens of independent programs that can work together, then I think it would be quite inline even with the kind of simplicity the suckless people seek.
You still don't quite "get" the lisp philosophy. Lisp existed before what we think of as an OS with discrete programs or files, and was intended to do all of their functions and more. All non-lisp code and data were to be mediated solely through lisp.

In this scheme (LOL)  emacs wouldn't be a giant monolothic program including a lisp runtime, instead it was just another collection of code snippets that could be freely transcluded and updated with other code.

In the lisp ideology, it is in fact, *N*X, OSs in general, and all the apps that run on them, that are the truly monolothic rats nest.

>>18906
Thanks, you genuinely gave me a new perspective. Still, I should mention that the first versions of emacs weren't written in lisp, so it's kind of like if someone reimplemented the whole user interface of an OS and named the project after the included word processor.

>>3410
>The problem with the web isn't so much the standards it runs on, the problem is that browsers at some point started compensating for common mistakes people made. This then morphed into people not considering those things mistakes anymore and making even more egregious mistakes.
>This, much like some features of modern compilers, made the actual display of websites unpredictable because the browsers have effectively ceased following the standards as written. 
What the fuck are you on about? Web browsers have NEVER properly followed standards, right from the start. Internet Explorer was particularly egregious back in the day but EVERY browser had its fucking quirks. I don't know what kind of standards-compliant past you are dreaming up when you claim we deviated away from that but it never existed.

>>18853
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb
Not even this one?

GPU drivers

>>18854
Doesn't count. Standards did not exist back then. People sort of formed a standard around that browser, then broke the standard.

>>18856
what the fuck are you on about nigger

>>1982
web 3.0 bad

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>>1982
Are you serious?
It's literal malware. Niggers inject arbitrary code onto your machine which you execute. You're literally running every fucking executable on the internet what the fuck nigger.

It's also a terrible language that can't be made to not be a horrible mess so even if what you were being served was open source (good luck parsing that shit yourself though it's endless copypasta of a million libraries poorly implementing the same thing) it'd be trivial for a hostile actor to obfuscate the fact that what they're serving you is malware, because there are a hundred thousand bugs and unintended consequences in javascript's implementation.

>>2002
Not defending js, but isn't saying it is malware a bit far? The language itself isn't, but it is prone to vulnerabilities like you said.

>>393
>>393
>You can also put !important after the value to override any other styles.
Did not know this, thanks anon

>>2309
There's also !!important to override !important styles, but once you're in that deep consider that you're doing something wrong, if you aren't just creating a userscript or userstylesheet to reformat someone else's website.

>>18826

You do know which month it has been for 32 years now?

>>18764
>>18767
Go contribute to Neocities and implement Gopher/Gemini support. The website already supports RSS so I think supporting another (minimal) protocol would be a welcome idea.

>>18783
>look at any old newsgroup or listserve archive, and you'll mostly see [email protected] or [email protected] addresses
Those people made the best software though, especially university students. I would happily go back to a time where only these groups had internet access.

>>18829
>Go contribute to Neocities and implement Gopher/Gemini support. 
You'd need a proxy service that strips all the code that makes neocities page into neocities pages. I don't mean that it would be complicated from a technical standpoint, what I mean is that the end result would look like what you'd see if you visited the page in a text browser, and that goes against the spirit of neocities. Not that I'm a fan of neocities, as most sites look horrible in my opinion, but what you suggests sounds like trying to implement an imageboard on reddit.

>>18830
Who said anything about a proxy service? My proposed end goal is writers creating gopher-only (or gopher-first) blogs for free, not retrofitting cancerous HTML into gopher. It could be gopher or Gemini, whichever is more feasible to implement.

>>18829
A service similar to Neocities for Gemini called Gemcities exists, but it has a typical censorious ToS that prohibits "hate speech" and so on, so it's shit. https://www.gemcities.com/terms

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>>17597
You know you can deliberately misinform your computer and by proxy the CIAniggers, right?
If your data is compromised that may be the best you can do.

If you're planning to ever post pictures, you might need a separate camera for each "identity" (depending on your threat model), because it's possible to correlate everything from the same camera sensor - due to photo response non‐uniformity (PRNU).

Digital "bullet scratches" for images
https://doi.org/10.1109/ICIP.2005.1530329
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1530329

Digital Imaging Sensor Identification (Further Study)
https://doi.org/10.1117/12.703370
https://ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/Research/EI6505-25.pdf

Source-anchored, trace-anchored, and general match score-based likelihood ratios for camera device identification
https://doi.org/10.1111/1556-4029.14991
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35128659/

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>CTRL+F Crypto
>5 matches, none about actual anonomyzed currency

Great and Necessary thread guys, but I have been trying for the last 3 days,( admittedly halfheartedly,) to anonymously buy crypto so that I can donate to good content providers in superchats.
Looks like I may have to just buy a burner Blu and fake an ID like Justin Case, just to use my dollar tree loadable visa and directly put etherium or smt on a coinbase app.
Any helpful hints? I feel compelled to donate to a few excellent content providers, but they are on the "BADGOY" lists and I would be too.
Thx in advance.

>>18813
there's a Monero thread on lainchan
https://lainchan.org/sec/res/23685.html

>>18814
TY anon.
Will LURK