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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Please please tell me, that something (hardware and/or software) somewhere, operating system and everything else from web browsers to video editors, anywhere in the foul year of our lord >2020, THAT IS NOT EITHER OF THESE TWO EXTREMES THAT ARE STARTING TO MAKE ME SEE THE POINT OF ECOTERRORISM BEING LESS INSANE THAN ALL THE OTHER POLITICAL GIRLS:

1) Bloated kludgeware tire fire trashheaps slapped together (I am beyond fed up with linux and open sores freetardation in general) by either cringy trannies or cringy nadsee larpers but I can pick and choose my poison to try and carefully avoid both kinds of collectivist authoritarian "YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!" and "YOUR'E NOT A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!" (both are equally gay, two sides of the same slacktivist coin, both of you blow your brains out since I'm sick of both of you blowing each other way outside your containment quarantine shitpits of purity spiraling echo chamber circle jerks, there is no escape from terminally online politislopsuckers) being shoved down my throat at every turn (which is getting more and more difficult to get away from in the digital world: as enshittification, the competency crisis, and the neo-bolshevik long march through the institutions infects every corner of everywhere (the world owes Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Paul an apology!); what happened to hobbyists being proud of their passions? what happened to "coupla dudes in a garage" gigageeks outclassing paid professionals like
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It all depends for what you will use your PC.
Modern Mac and Windows is good enough if you are a normalfag.
If you want stuff to "Just Work ™" and simply access the web, shitpost, play some games, use Office and stuff it's the best.
It's a reason why they've been corporate OS'es for so long. Even if you buy a niche schizo gadget you can mostly make it work on Win and Mac.
Even the annoying stuff is easily manageable. Bloatware can be removed, ads blocked, features uninstalled, updates stopped, you have total control on what you can enable or disable, it may cost system stability but you can do it.

If you have lots of free time, really care about what you computer can do or not, want to have a fine control on it's software, processes, scheduling and the whole shebang then use linux or bsd.

Windows / Mac is like having a shack full of tools, neatly organized. Some annoying rats roaming here and there, changing stuff from time to time, but you can kill them.
Linux is a warehouse. It starts fully sorted and organized but each time you pull something to use it starts to get more messy, and every time you try to fix something it messes another part and when you go online ask for help they say you bought the wrong type of the warehouse because you are a stupid loser.
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>>19467
>As someone who's not a Linux cultist either, I also agree. Windows 7 was comfy and Windows 10 was tolerable (if it's one of the "editions" without ads, etc), but I recently had to use Windows 11 on public computers and it was just ghastly.
It's so ghastly that every time I see someone like >>19468 (don't really want to pick on him, he's unfortunately just a good example) talking about how modern Windows "is good enough" and "just works," I briefly wonder what the fuck he's smoking. Then I see the inevitable line:
>Even the annoying stuff is easily manageable. Bloatware can be removed, ads blocked, features uninstalled, updates stopped, you have total control on what you can enable or disable, it may cost system stability but you can do it.
After that, there's the inevitable transition to:
>If you have lots of free time, really care about what you computer can do or not, want to have a fine control on it's software, processes, scheduling and the whole shebang then use linux or bsd.
When someone says this shit about Windows 11, he's basically become that hypothetical Linux user he decries, just with a shittier OS that he has less control over.

>>19468
If you think about 
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>>19469
>talking about how modern Windows "is good enough" and "just works," I briefly wonder what the fuck he's smoking
Disclaimer: I'm not pro Linux, Window or Mac, these are just tools to use, each have an use case and everyone should use what they like it.
It's not like I hate Linux/Unix and love Windows, I have to use both systems for work / hobbies.

You liking it or not Windows is good enough. If Windows was really that bad and unusable people would already changed fully to something else. 
It's the best? No. It's getting worse each update? Yes. But it still working.
My point is: For most people is ok, just like Android and iOS is ok for billions of users. Most people are throwing away control on the system and computer just because it's more comfortable.


By the way, what do you do on Linux that you couldn't do on Windows or a Mac? Is it that much HarderBetter/FasterStronger  doing on Linux?
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>>19460 (OP) 
>cringy trannies or cringy nadsee larpers
Anon, you know you can just, like, not care, right? This is entirely a "you problem".

Just use the software

There is literally nothing stopping you from running NixOS to write Rust for your black sun hyperborean renewal, or TempleOS for your fully automated luxury gay space commune. They're just tools, they don't care what they're used for, and neither should you unless you're deeply involved with their authors for some practical reason.

Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc., all have just as much childish nonsense behind the scenes, even if you don't have as much voyeuristic insight into it as a member of the public.
>>19470
>By the way, what do you do on Linux that you couldn't do on Windows or a Mac? Is it that much HarderBetter/FasterStronger  doing on Linux?
It's like asking why would you accept a free Pontiac Firebird when you could just buy a Trabant. You choose a Linux distro that works the way you want your distro to work, and then you don't have to worry about some pajeets fucking everything up from making the user interface worse to limiting the kind of hardware you are allowed to install the OS on.

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Ever since I switched from systemd to sysvinit because of >>18176, I find myself questioning all these nerd turf wars I explicitly have ignored.
My normal daily setup:
- systemd
- X11 (gnome)
- Pulseaudio
- Vim
- Debian
Now I find myself wondering about OpenRC, Wayland, Alsa, emacs, LUKS, Trisquel, TailOS[, and GNU Hurd]. Which of these in your experiences have been worthwhile? What's the most privacy respecting setup?
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tl;dr for people who don't feel like wading through a book's worth of wiki pages and imageboard posts

A. glibc has maintained ABI stability for decades, sure every now and then there's a bug, but they've maintained ABI stability

B. ABI stability doesn't mean that your program will continue to work if you rely on undocumented implementation details, 

C. jeets have failed at B since before the dawn of the electronic computer, and for some reason game devs chose the hash format used for symbol lookup as the hill to die on, something a video game has no reason to care about
>>18389 (OP) 
emacs fag here, I did the opposite and checkout Vim afer 7 years and loved it. Now I use emacs with evilmode, mpv, mupdf and a vim-extension on irssi.
I messed around the runit init system on Void and have been loving it, I'm never going to systemd again.

Wayland is trannyware so I'm sticking with the boomerware Xorg. I also got rid of Pulseaudio and I manage to record video gameplay with my mic using just Pipewire+Wireplumber and Pulseaudio compatibiliy layer so that's nice.  are enough for my sound setup.

Another thing that's been worthwile for me was checking out the tiling window manager meme. Fucking life changer.

>>18392
>pic
Holy moly, now I remember the infamous blog post.
But to be fair cuckchan's emacs/LISP general is a discord troon circlejerk, although it's not as bad as the mpv/ffmpeg generals.
>>18445
> from what I hear
Nice rumor you idiot. 
>  they deliberately encourage API breakage
That claim is just stupid.
With GNUs flagship project emacs you can run elisp code that is more than 20 years old in the current version without issues.
>>18391
Can xlibre runs on linux version before 6.0 though? This is important question, please answer it
>>18445
>Apparently LLVM was originally intended to be integrated into GCC, but LLVM would provide a quasi-stable interface and hence was rejected. We all know the final result.

It was thrown out because it was a C++ implementation, lacking most of the GCC backends and many basic features and they wanted for GCC devs to throw out everything already implemented to re-implement it in llvm framework. It was simply not feasible for GCC devs even before you consider legal issues - apple wasn't ready to assign copyright to FSF at that point.

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I think this is big enough deal to merit pulling it out of the 'news' page into its own thread. If you don't know what's going on, a bunch of states have pulled a fast one on us and are trying to/have passed age verification laws in various states in the U.S. on the operating system level.
- Lunduke's Journal has been having a spree providing updates on it ( lunduke.substack.com )
- I made my own page to try to keep track on what you can do. Please think about sharing it (or something): https://websitereview.neocities.org/ageverification
- Reclaim the Net has a campaign trying to counter it https://reclaimthenet.org/age-verification
- The EFF has a campaign https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification .
I've included some minor links suggested by >>18007 and >>18008 . Please keep in mind I'm a moron and don't know what I'm doing, but felt something should be done here. Please share your own sites, updates, and thoughts on the situation.
THANK YOU F
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>>19445 
As I already described upthread >>18080 >>18841 anonymity is useful and necessary for numerous purposes that are completely legal, while absolute bans against anonymity create and exacerbate all sorts of crimes. This in in addition to the particularly bad effects >>19217 that stripping anonymity from the merkin Internet will have on the entire world.

So no, this isn't about piracy or drugs, any more than it's about protecting children.
Y'all should see what ID.me is doing.
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>>19457
Blood samples? For what they are I don't think they can get any worse. I remember feeling like my eyes were being baked by their trippy visuals when I had to use it over the IRS messing with me. I had lost my IP PIN if I recall. I wonder if they are 'messing with' the iris when taking the face shots of which it made me do several times. I figure they time the iris contracting with the visuals to see if it's really real but mine were sluggish or a camera glare made it unable to see the movement. Pretty scifi to have your eyes scanned like that if I'm right.
https://reclaimthenet.org/meta-trial-opens-as-states-demand-age-verification
It looks like the courts are pushing for age verification.
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>>19299
Update on VPN thing, it worked best than I expected. Not only I bypassed the ID bullshit and the Go Live block crap, but also my almost a decade old account is intact. Used free ProtonVPN, but I'm considering the premium version in a foreseeable future. Why Discord doesn't have a grandfather clause for accounts above the 8+ years mark?

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If you decided to remake the internet from scratch, how would you avoid the centralization of authority, SEO and everything bad that plagues the modern internet?
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First off, internet /= web.

But also, the web has no practical purpose to begin with, an entire operating system specification built from several worst in class standards, possibly the worst programming language ever made (and oh boy does this title have competition), and 2 implementations that compete for worst piece of software ever written, all just to send and receive text and files in the most devious rube goldberg machine ever devised is a monumentally retarded idea from the start. 

And it's so blatantly obvious from a glance that anyone who didn't already know this before I made this post either lacks the beginner level knowledge in network protocols, programming language design, serialization formats, etc, or is not right in the head, which scares me a lot, because it means most programmers are clinically retarded if they did not form an alliance and vow to never write nor allow anyone else to write any javascript, json, HTML, etc upon first seeing those out of sheer disgust.
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>>18923
>the web has no practical purpose to begin with
To be fair, back in the early 90s it must have seemed like a great idea to give the writer of the document the power to specify the colour of the background and the ability to embed some pictures into the text. But as those horrible late 90s webpages showed, it only really gave people the power to waste bandwidth with unnecessary clutter. And by the 2000s it became obvious that you could also use it to track people and to build ever more centralized systems.

And in hindsight, the very idea that someone else should decide for you the exact appearance of a hypertext document is flawed. How could some random faggot know better my preferred colour scheme and font than I do? Not to mention that I like it when I can both read text and stare at fat 2D tits at the same time, which is not a feature supported by the average website. At least by now many websites have both a light and a dark colour scheme, but it's not standard, and many of those themes are quite horrible. Not to mention that websites have to support a practically infinite variety of resolution and aspect ratios, so the more elaborate and specific a website's design the less likely that it'll work as intended.
>>18861 (OP) 
Every PC shall have an integrated web server with a default template website, and a detailed HTML+CSS documentation.
>>18867
I think I agree with this. The problem is that 80% of the population is simply not fit for the internet.
>>18917
Great question, and who knows. Some people are just not fit to govern. They just operate under different assumptions other than how the world actually works.

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How can I create and host my own image board like zzzchan or 4chan ?
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>>19096
I kek'd.
Who'd be Luther in this situation?
>>19005


Personally I found 4chan a weirdly useful tool to organise my thoughts.
quoting and referencing my own thoughts.

Running an entire personal imageboard might seem a little excessive but it's curious how the format can be adapted for personal use.

images and files associated with text, backlinking and greentext my previous thoughts.

I'm not really familiar with much software so maybe there are dedicated programmes that enable this already and other features.
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so you wanna run your own ib, huh?
well, you are in luck, i started mine this month and i can tell you all the easy steps i took while they are still fresh in my mind
>step 1: choose a programming language. haskell is a good choice
>step 2: write a http parser. it has a pretty easy format that can be processed just by seeking and slicing the string. also you can ignore 97% of the headers
>step 3: write the rest of the backend. it is just shoveling data into a database, it doesnt get easier than that
altho you might wanna do some processing on the data first. like if you let users post text, obviously you should escape special html tokens
>step 4: install tor and generate an address. dont listen to the jews ITT, you dont have to pay a single dime to host LLM spam online
>step 5: be careful where you post the site's address. there are plenty of niggers out there who enjoy ruining nice things
>step 6: optionall also host over i2p and maybe even yggdrasil if you are feeling autistic
and that's basically it
it took me about 1 month to create it, but that's bc i was still learning haskell and got sidetracked to study category theory several times
knowing what i know now, i could prolly create a new one from scratch again in 3 days tops
anyway like the other anons said, 
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>>19450
Who in this thread brought up LLM usage much less while claiming you must pay for it for some reason? Would it be for fake traffic like on halfcuck? Your imageboard stays dead as sheep like traffic so if you wanted to make money via ads you could use LLMs to attract real sheep and then they'd get ad in their faces and you could make like 10 cents x 50 people a day, that's 5usd a day, I wonder if it'd pay for the server... anyway, is that what you were thinking? Why would you not do that?  You could at least have pretend friends. Not that I'm about to do it as I am not OP. I got stuck on my first day on the free code camp with web design many years ago and decided to play around with  Lua and Love2d instead, as I actually enjoy having fun. As it is I failed at that too as my potatoes needed older versions of Love2d and that had backwards compatlibity issues, Love2d did, and so I gave up. Neither here nor there though. It'd be cool if captcha was a 10 second video game, like Cirno having to dodge bullets until it lets you post or you play tetris in fast motion for 5 seconds, that sort of thing. Maybe a video game board could have that and a tech board you would have to fix a line of code and for art you'd have to draw a picture of squares, circles, basic shapes, or perform shading or something before being allowed to post. Too bad the imageboards are all the same. For the pol posts you could take a politic
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>>19451
Freaky nigga from Florida.

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Firefox 152 ships JpegXL for the first time ever in regular builds.
It's still behind a flag but that will probably change soon. (about:config image.jxl.enabled)
In Chrome too: chrome://flags/#enable-jxl-image-format

We won in the end and Google and their cocksuckers at Mozilla bent over when the PDF Association made JXL their standard.

How do we get imageboards to finally allow uploading .jxl?
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Well, noisy video GIFs with gif optimized artifacts seem to stay the same or slightly go up in filesize.
Pixel art and drawn .gif seems to decrease in filesize.
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iirc noisy gif "videos" also do worse in lossless webp.
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>>19384
AIUI that issue about letting the user specify a color palette. JXL still uses color palettes internally for compression.
>In JPEG XL, there is a concept of palette but it is seen as an internal coding tool (to get better compression for images with relatively few colors)
In any case, I decided to try -e 10, which is way slower but is successful in reducing overall size:
$ du -h /tmp/gif*
647M	/tmp/gif
729M	/tmp/gif-jxl
607M	/tmp/gif-jxl-e10
(also cleaned up some GIFs that cjxl failed to load, which is why the gif/ folder is smaller now).

There are still some that are substantially larger, over 2x. Looking at them it seems to be caused by random dither every frame (picrel in order from largest JXL to smallest). That's going to be really hard to recompress efficiently without loss of detail, so >>19385 >>19386 is right.
>>19366
Thanks.
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i just realized something
even browsers that block canvas access by default (torbrowser, librewolf) still allow data to be written to them
so you can display arbitrary image data using javascript with no permissions
QOI is a fairly simple format, the decoder can be implemented in JS (someone has prolly done that already)
so your site can serve qoi images and have the client display it with your custom decoder
real schizos already browse with images disabled so they dont care either way
nojs larpers will whine, but larpers gonna larp

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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>>19419
Alright thank you
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What is this bullshit now?
Are Reddit front-ends reliable? Can you access 18+ content on them?
>>19440
It is over, anon. Get comfortable.
>>19440
Yes to both.
>>19440
Use it as opportunity to cure your porn addiction.

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Post about /tech/nological cancer that you've dealt with in the past.
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>http stands for hypertext transfer protocol
>it is supposed to transfer hypertext
>instead it is used to execute javascript on your machine without your consent
I propose a new name: the javascript-execution-without-consent protocol, or jewcp for short.
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RAM prices and the impact it's having on /tech/ prices in general.
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I don't know how or why forums and mailing lists keep tolerating blatant AI slop. It's bad enough I might actually log off and touch grass forever.
>>17657
RIP
Which romsite got taken down this time? onto the next iteration.
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>>19413
Myrient died and it still hurts.

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Discuss /tech/-related news.
What will happen if section 230 is nuked?
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https://github.com/isene/frame
Some faggot asked a chatbot to write an X11 server in x86 assembly. Which is all kinds of horrible, but still better than Wayland.
>>19275
>asm
Interesting
>no gpu hooks
Silly
>>19275
Wayland is great. You're retarded.
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>>19285
Fantastic argument, you've just convinced me to switch to wayland+systemd+uutils and own the fascists.
>>19275
Sure, but much worse than xlibre.

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