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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Since the usual suspects seem to be constantly gatekeeping this while the typical corporate inbreds are trying to destroy everything it's time to have a thread and generate at least some interest and informative value on recent AI/LLM developments without any bullshit.

>Have VRAM (preferably a recent gpu)
>Anything under 8gb vram is pretty effin bad(but it's not fully over and you can still easily generate cool art though if that is your thing)
>If you are okay with slowness you can run off a decently beefy CPU and ram

LLM Agent? Do this.
>KoboldCCP
>a .gguf model from a site like 
https://huggingface.co/ 
>rtfm

Hopefully you should have a pc that can run QWEN e.g. programming aid something like Qwen2.5-Coder 

Art? Do this.
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>>16212 (OP) 
There is already an AI thread.
To add on to your post:
Get the best uncensored models here: https://huggingface.co/spaces/DontPlanToEnd/UGI-Leaderboard
Hardware wise, get x99 and dirt cheap xeon, load it with ram and either modded 2080ti 22gb, or modded 4080(d) 48gb, load everything on a mining rig. You can buy everything from china.

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Today is Windows XP's 20th birthday. Say something nice about it.
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>>16182
I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days. The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
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>>16184
>I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days.
They were. I literally IP range scanned the open internet back in the day and found tons of computers with open network shares and whatnot.

>The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started using the internet. Second off, while DSL lines and the like did come with external modems, they were only external modems for the first several years. They weren't external router-modems like today. So there was no modem LAN. It just directly connected your PC to the internet. If you wanted a LAN you'd have to buy your own router and connect your modem to it, because they were separate devices (or you could buy an expensive router that had a built-in modem).

Early on routers weren't even part
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>>16186
> No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let
 alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started
 using the internet.
I was paying only $35/mo for ADSL in 2000, and cable modem was $50/mo. The ADSL needed a POTS phone line to function, but I already had one, and unlike dialup modem you could also use the voice landline phone at the same time. An dialup ISP would have been about $20/mo. So it's not like we're talking big money here, just $15 more per month, and no hassles with the phone line being busy like I had in the mid 90's, because I was constantly online. xD
Plus the speed difference was night and day...

>> First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001
That doesn't mean everyone jumped to install it. I know a bunch of people who stuck with Win98 for several more years, and only got XP when buying a newer computer or needing some new software that was for XP. Don't forget XP is one of the NT-based Windows and it needs more hardware resources. A lot of people would have need to upgrade their computer to run it. If they're poor like you're saying and can barely afford a 56K dialup modem account, then they don't have the money for a computer upgrade. I lived in an apartment building in 2006 where 
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>>16187
>I was paying only $35/mo for ADSL in 2000, and cable modem was $50/mo. 
Yes, but the internet was still a new thing to most people and not everyone was down for monthly fees like that. Nowadays we all accept internet as an essential utility, but back there were plenty of average people who weren't paying for high speed internet.

>That doesn't mean everyone jumped to install it. I know a bunch of people who stuck with Win98 for several more years, and only got XP when buying a newer computer or needing some new software that was for XP. Don't forget XP is one of the NT-based Windows and it needs more hardware resources. A lot of people would have need to upgrade their computer to run it. If they're poor like you're saying and can barely afford a 56K dialup modem account, then they don't have the money for a computer upgrade. I lived in an apartment building in 2006 where some neighbors still had Windows ME. They had shitbox old PCs too.
Yes, but I'm talking about early Windows Xp connected to the internet.

>But they could download music from Napster (or whatever was common at the time) and chat online, so they were happy.
It was primarily Napster and then Gnutella/LimeWire or Morpheus. Also MP3 sites. Beyond that you still had the occasional FTP, BBSs, the alt.binary.sounds newsgroups, and XDCC bots on IRC, but at that point you are going down the warez rabbit hole.

>Also there's another reason people didn't all just run out to install XP: it doesn't run DOS programs (this was before DOSBox/emulators became common). A lot of people still had old software, including games they wanted to play. At least with Win9x it was possible.
Well, 32-bit Xp did run 16-bit DOS software, but it wasn't true DOS anymore and a lot of shit wasn't really working well. 64-bit Xp, on the other hand, flat-out had no support for that sort of thing and a big reason to run Xp was the 64-bit transition.

>My first ADSL modem didn't, because I was an early adopter. But I had a bunch of computers already and I setup one Linux box as a router, and had a hub connected to it (hubs were much cheaper than routers back then).
Dude, if you were setting up Linux boxes in 2000 you were part of a small minority of advanced computer users. The average person wasn't fucking around with that shit and was still a 1 PC household, maybe 2 (one for parents, one for kids) where they had to choose who has internet at the time. And yes, hubs were more the norm back then. They were very popular for LAN parties.
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>>16188
Access to ADSL, especially affordable ADSL, in 2000 really depended on where you live.

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What is the final document format? Not text file (unformatted). I am asking for formatted text document, with tables and embedded images. What is the final solution?

Proposals:
-ODF (.odt)
-Rich Text Format (.rtf)
-HTML
-DOC (.doc)
-DOCX

Considerations:
-is the format simple, efficient, small?
-is it open source, free, or at least without patents or some other shit
-is it supported by large amount of software? for import and export
-is it malware? has hidden metadata and other shit? complex and proprietary?
-does the format allow for huge documents?
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>>16145
No, the odt spec is much shorter than docx and openxml is the corporate definition of "open". What you wrote is utterly deranged.
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>>16189
>openxml is the corporate definition of "open".
mit license is about as open as you can get. You're not some kind of gpl cuck, are you?
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Hey Faggots,

My name is John, and I hate every single one of your formats. All of them are fat,
retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass raster images. They are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever
gotten any gopher? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your
own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than
jerking off to 3D-PDF on facebook.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of the WordStar team, and starter on my text phile team. What games
do you play, other than "jack off to naked DOCX anime girls"? I also get
straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO
cash). You are all faggots who should just ed yourselves. Thanks for
listening.

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Experience showed that relying on a format isn't the right solution because it would put a burden on every system to be able to read and edit that format, the solution imo would come from a markup syntax like HTML or MD for simple text. The solution has always been text. Said text should be interpreted following a syntax to produce formatted documents.
(What a tragedy that Org and MD were invented in parallel at about the same time. They have no business having separate syntaxes).

>>16193
Thanks for the nostalgia feels
>>16191
Solid bait

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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>>16199
I like watching old movies in low res better because all the effects look worse in high res.
>they forgot to edit the strings to be invisible and the sponge puppet is jarring
movies with practical effects are a coin flip on  if they turn out good in 4k or not which unironically black and white movies with only paint have aged well more than most movies since then.
>>16197
>Don't support these fuckers, teach dad to pirate over cheap VPN. I know boomers can't be helped sometimes
No can do, he still watches netflix and fucking cable to, I guess 720p is fine.
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What BTC/XMR exchange do you recommend? No KYC is obvious, but also preferably no account bullshit. And preferably lower fees.
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>>16198
What did you search? https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=2989
>>16206
>No KYC
>lower fees
Would you like a unicorn with that?

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Did the CIA use a train to kill him? Or did he realize his physics waifu never loved him and he killed himself?
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He's not dead
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>>13962
Thank you for your service, you contributed to the legend
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>>16055
I don't think he cared that much about Linux tbh, as it wasn't as holy as Temple

>>16090
Im pretty sure updoot autism would've challenged his patience

>>16117
Agreed, I'm happy Ubuntu helped me got on the Linux train. With Canonical faggotry however, I quickly realized i needed to look for a better distro.

Funnily enough I rather enjoyed Unity and even installed it on later version where Canonical started to ditch it. At that time, the bloggers who got me into Linux in the first place had had enough because Unity was too big a change compared to Gnome 2.
I've seen many of them migrate to Mint and/or the MATE desktop.
>>13962
What a cool story, did he seriously take the time to lecture you in all 3?

>>13983
Evil faggot grifters who trolled and used him as a lolcow are responsible for his death, i forget the name of the guy that was most responsible specifically. Terry was probably one of the world's best  programmers, making an operating system alone as one person is such a huge behemoth task it's incredible how he managed to get all that done and still be mentally unwell. What a legend and an inspiration to programmers everywhere.
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>>16127
>Evil faggot grifters who trolled and used him as a lolcow are responsible for his death
I might be mistaken, but I remember reading about how one of them was talking to his parents online while impersonating him in order to keep them from reaching out to him so that he could make him think that they didn't want to speak to him and that the resulting isolation might have contributed to his suicidal depression.

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After using the same handful of wallpaper images for the last three and a half years, I have come to the realization that I should get some new wallpapers.

Post your favourite wallpapers and wallpaper sources.  Pics related are a few of what I've been using; screenshots from a dead game called Blacklight: Retribution.  I never played it myself but it had some neat visuals.
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Do you guys have any tiling wallpaper?
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>>2302 (OP) 
Ubuntu has a color scheme that essentially makes me love all of their default wallpapers, though recently I haven't liked them as much as the ones from the days when Unity was the DE, those were the best ones in style.
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Can I get some clean wallpapers? Something I can put on my desktop at work?
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I'm not sure if it counts as clean, but I've always loved this one.

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Here's how you could "fix", or make a better version of the C programming language.

How would you improve C or another language?

Most important

- #import, imports the file into the program, but only makes the contents (variables, functions, types) available inside files that include it directly. It does not place the contents where you #imported it like #include does. Header files and compiler settings are unnecessary for #imported files. #defines do not have to be compatible with it, if that's what it takes. #include is still useful though, although I would probably call it #paste instead.
- Use . instead of -> for dereferencing struct members. It seems like a nitpick but it's important because of how prevalent and annoying and totally pointless (insert pointer joke) it is.
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>>16149
Thank you for proving you are indeed petulant.

>>16158
>x++ vs ++x makes literally no difference. It's trivial to optimize.
Optimizations are context-dependent, nigger. The reason it compiles to the same thing is because in that context it makes no difference which of the two you use. This is not true in all contexts, but you are too dumb for that.

>Also, there is absolutely no reason to write something like ++x + y++ in actual production code. It serves no purpose except to confuse anyone who reads the code, including your future self.
Anon, unless you are fucking dyslexic or have fucking brain damage it is trivially easy to recognize the difference. Complaining about this being confusing just proves you're retarded. I have never ever been fucking confused by this shit, in over 20 years of programming. The idea that I would somehow forget what a pre-increment operator is if I haven't looked at the same code for a couple of years is so stupid it just makes me laugh. Seriously, you might have a hole in your head if you have trouble holding on to this sort of basic knowledge.

Anyway, all of your whining boils down to the same shit: You are bad at programming and you don't care about other people's use-cases and you wa
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>>16164
I'm actually curious:
- what makes you attach your identity to a programming language? I only ever see this rage with people who take a slight against something personally.
- do you genuinely believe throwing a flurry of insults will convince anyone? Or only yourself?
It is also obvious you have never worked in a team.

And of course I do use Python. It's a very useful scripting language. One particular example is idf.py from esp-idf https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf
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>>16165
Oh boy, there's a fucking classic of the nu-male approach to arguments: When losing, suddenly try to derail by making it about the other person's behavior. Anon, were you always a faggot or did you have to work your way up to acting like a shitty woman? Honestly, I'd ask if you are fucking retarded but I already know the answer to that one.

Since you seem to be phenomenally dense I'll spoonfeed you the obvious:

1. People do not need to take shit personally to give others shit, especially when they are being extremely stupid. You clearly have never experienced the unfiltered internet, so go fucking lurk more if this surprises you. The reason I call you a retard for having so much difficulty keeping track of the difference between a basic pre-increment operator and post-increment operator is because it is an inability that showcases mind-blowing stupidity, especially when you made this your hill to die on. I'd say it suggests you're not a learning animal or a very slow learner but I think we already have other evidence of that being the case. Every decent programmer knows this shit. The only "decent" programmers who continue to fuck up this extremely elementary shit are just delusional about how awful they truly are, aka walking cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

2. The reason I shit on you for this suggested C change is because it's actually fucking bad and every time this was pointed out to you you then proceeded to double and triple down on it like a spoiled child, complete with whining. The fact that you are now suddenly trying to pretend to be the responsible adult in the room demonstrates an utter lack of self-awareness on your part, kid. You need to learn to accept negative feedback when you have shit ideas, anon. We don't exist to suck your dick and tuck you in to bed at night like your mom. Your garbage fucking idea is only helpful to retarded people who should not be writing C (or programming at all, honestly) to begin with and is a problem that interferes with legitimate reasons to write C.

3. Setting aside the fact that you are a shameless hypocrite for complaining about insults, the flurry of insults is in fact a productive way to handle these sorts of arguments, because at this stage your inability to accept the flaws in your reasoning and whining makes you a child who has insisted on putting his ego in the way of processing criticism. Therefore, you made it necessary for your ego to be cut down to size. That's the price you pay for putting your ego in the way. Also, I will insult you just for being a fucking idiot, because being an entitled fuck-up deserves some disrespect and once again, I am not your mother. Also, you are not the center of the world and not everyone who argues on the internet does it to try to convince the other person. Seriously, were you born yesterday?

4. People do not, in fact, act the same way in a real life professional setting with team members as they do when arguing with retards on the internet. The fact that I even have to explain something this basic to you suggests you must be the product of some serious inbreeding. If you behave the same way on the internet as you do at work, I genuinely pity every last person who has to deal with you. That's not a fucking joke or exaggeration. I genuinely pity them.

5. Certainly, no one is going to accuse you of lying about being a Python scripter.

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>>16164
>Honestly, stop whining about C's increment operators being too complex for you and go fucking write in Python or some other trash where they adore this kneecapping bullshit (just like you want, Python doesn't even support those increment operators) and don't give two fucks about shit like performance or non-breaking changes or trusting programmers to be intelligent or software bloat. Python is probably your kind of language, honestly.
Nigger, I don't see how inline incrementing is going to increase the performance of your program.

a++; int b = a;produces the exact same assembly as:
int b = ++a;
Unless all optimizations are disabled:
int b = a; a++;also produces the exact same assembly as:
int b = a++;
In my opinion it's something to be avoided in most cases.
Well, stick to your spaghetti.
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As for things that actually matter: I believe C would benefit greatly from linear types. I also believe this can be added with little friction.

Briefly: a value of a linear type must be used exactly once. For example:
__attribute__((linear_type))
struct mytype { ... };

void f_a() {
    struct mytype x = mytype_new();
    ...
    mytype_free(x);
    // ok
}

void f_b() {
    struct mytype x = mytype_new();
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Discuss /tech/-related news.
What will happen if section 230 is nuked?
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>>15880
OpenAI is Microshit. What would be the point of giving it to Microshit? Would still be in the hands of a software monopolist.
I'm not sure whether OpenAI would be allowed to buy it.
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>>15990
Pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to as it would be against competition and basically make Microsoft up in the same place as Google is currently.
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Google wuz a good boi. He wuz getting his life on track.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/google-pay-1375-billion-texas-data-privacy-settlement

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Excuse me for the low quality thread, but
WINDOWS 11 IS FUCKING WEBSHIT
THE UI IS RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
THE PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
Yes, I stole these screenshots from Twitter. News this fucking retarded does not deserve a good thread.
The absolute fucking state of Microsoft.
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>>16178
I was also meaning to ask what the major/minor differences between the ubuntu-based and the debian-based versions are.
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>>16179
I'm not exactly into the very specific and details but basically the differences being changes from Canonical at least the ones that get through and stability. Being that Debian changes at the speed of a turtle.
I never known someone to even use the Debian version.

The only reason for mint to drop Ubuntu would be pretty much be a argument against using rust.
>>16177
No. It has systemd and it's a Windows ripoff, just go back to Windows.
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>>16179
Difference is that only retards use "derivative of a derivative"
More interesting distros always debian derivatives, and even then it's pointless when you can just add repos to debian of that other derivative
>>16183
So does LMDE. You answered the question wrong.

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