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'Useful programs'

4/g/ Wiki
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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he already apologized for posting in the wrong place.

bleach is very cheap. if you are too lazy to go out, just wipe it with a wet rag and then put bleach on your list for when you do eventually go out. then wipe it with bleach some other time. the mold won't grow back very quickly especially if you keep your place better ventilated.
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I found some "universal cleaner" I think that stuff is pretty strong. Has a ph of 11, whatever that means.
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It's from 1999, so not surprising.
Also, I'm still looking for Bob: Space Guy, can't find this game anymore. The old site is in the web archive, but the tarball download doesn't work!
Those warning icons with a cartoon hand getting eaten away by a drop of some liquid? That's what that means.
You can just use vinegar instead of bleach. White vinegar (acetic acid) is probably best, to avoid staining the material.

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I thought we should have one of these. Someone from the QTDDTOT suggested these questions for the thread.

>best private mail host?
>best private browser?
>how do you stay private online?
>how do you airgap your phone?
>Best VPN

I imagine some people have made guides on privacy, so if you have any you can post them in this thread too.
is there a way to tunnel my traffic on linux somehow so it's harder for people to know what i do or where im from
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>best private mail host?
Never trust your data on another persons computer, even if you know them, which you don't in the case of all public mail hosts that I know of. You should obviously avoid the most shit bottom-of-the-barrel ones like Gmail and Outlook. I simply use multiple Protonmail accounts, each one dedicated to a single thing. I use e-mail so infrequently and for such trivial things that Protonmail is good enough. There are better ways to communicate with people if that's your goal.
>best private browser?
A complicated question! Are text-based browsers the most private? It would seem so, but modern websites are extremely malicious and powerful and can extract fine details about what browser you're using, the most obvious of which is your User Agent, so using esoteric browsers may end up having an opposite effect. I personally use Firefox but eventually I'd like to start using Ungoogled Chromium. Google is actually serious about their security (separate from privacy!) unlike Mozilla and actually knows how to design browsers. Pale Moon is an outdated joke. Brave is a crypto scam pretending to be a browser. uMatrix and uBlock Origin are  great extensions to have but ideally you'd be writing firewall rules instead to block trackers and advertisements.
>how do you stay private online?
By focusing on my doxability. Its very easy to fuck yourself. Lots of people use 
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 Yes sir, look into wiregaurd. Simple, fast, and secure.
What is Sherlock? I am interested.
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Its used to look up a username on hundreds of sites automatically.

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Have you been working on your site anon?

Discuss anything about website building such as document preparation, layout design, custom static page generation, cgi scripting. Shill your website here, post about your updates, and read other anon's websites.

Pic related. People on neocities have been using discord as a guestbook, so I decided to make an email-based guestbook for my fanfiction hobby site.
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Still working on mine because I can't decide on a layout, plus I'm trying to clean up all my terrible HTML and CSS. I plan on hosting on neoshitties initially and then moving on to my own domain once I get enough money to afford a VPS (Yes, I am very broke right now and looking for another job).
I'm so terrified to post my writings anon. I admire you for you boldness. And you should be bold, you have a knack for writing, as I find myself really enjoying your mnemosynes-heretic story.
Love your site anon, I first visited it when you mentioned it in that one /retro/ thread, and I bookmarked it because eventually I wanted to get into 3d graphics. Keep up the good work.
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>I can't decide on a layout
What's the nature of your content?... Photos and art? Writing? Music? Videos?
>I'm so terrified to post my writings anon
Post them ITT so we can rate.
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You could try to start with something simple then build upon it as you add new content.
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What's the nature of your content?
Just reviewing books and writing some articles. Also a technical blog too specfically when it comes to testing my front end skills.
>Post them ITT so we can rate.
I-it's just a bunch of fanfiction, I haven't actually gotten the bravery to try and write an original piece outside of what I did for school and contests...
That's what I'm thinking about doing, just using my first site as a test grounds/putting my foot in the water to see what I like.
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>Just reviewing books and writing some articles
Go with a blog-like layout; tall horizontally centered area containing written content with an optional side menu to the left. Keep the reading area narrow with a relatively small width so reading it is easier, you don't want readers darting their eyes across their HD screen.
>I haven't actually gotten the bravery to try and write an original piece
Now's the time, start writing. And stop it with the faggy stuttering and waifuspam, faggot.

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 Discuss alternative OSes that are not Linux, Windows or Mac OSX. 
Also post your criticism of UNIX, Windows and Fag OSX design ITT.
If you want to discuss GNU/Linux distros, there is already a thread for it: >>>/tech/530
The package manager thread can be also useful: >>>/tech/4739

Some hastily written notes...
* everyone thinks UNIX (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0) is still the state-of-art. Ignorants praise Windows, not knowing it's originally a dumbed down clone of VMS that has some patches ported from OS/2 (https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story). Some say that Windows is also still mainly a single-user system that emulates a multi-user system. I think we are living Higurashi tier time loop when it comes to operating systems...
 (and CPUs: X86 is relic from the times of Vaxen. ARM, PowerPC/Power ISA, MIPS, RISC-V are more modern and better. Even modern X86 CPUs converts CISC to RISC in the microcode!)
* Plan9 (9front? Also, see plan9port and 9base), BeOS (Haiku) and TempleOS were the last innovative operating systems that I know of. Even the OSDev people imitate UNIX.
* It's awful that a misbehaving device driver can take down the whole system. Microkernels (e.g. MINIX, GNU Hurd, seL4) or muh """hybrid kernels""" (e.g. DragonFly BSD, Haiku, ReactOS I don't know if modern Windows has a hybrid kernel.) should be the norm. MINIX is incidentally perhaps the most used OS because ((( Intel ME ))) uses it as a basis for the CIAware that runs on our fucken CPUs!
* Nearly all criticism of UNIX is historic stuff: The UNIX-HATERS Handbook (https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf a joke), Multicians (https://www.multicians.org/) and LispM (http://fare.tunes.org/LispM.html) users...
* Worse is better or do the right thing? https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html & https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html
* Some modern UNIX-related innovations: 9p, DTrace, Solaris Zones & FreeBSD Jails, Nix & Guix...

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Pliant language and FullPliant operating system
"FullPliant is a complete system written from scratch in Pliant, that relies mostly on no external code except the kernel, provides install and administration tools, various servers (database, web, mail, dns, etc), graphic stack, and fits in less that 200 000 lines of code, including Pliant dynamic compiler."

It's proprietary software and it collects data. Free software is objectively better. You should use FOSS, if you can use it to accomplish everything you need to do. If you still require proprietary software for some tasks, you should dual-boot M$ Windows and GNU/Linux (or a *BSD). Alternatively, you can use Wine or you can use a VM (and put the proprietary software in a ghetto).

To learn more:
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The current filesystems are a product of hardware. There is a physical limitation with cache locality, even the fastest data center have ram since ram is orders of speed higher than network.
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Fuck I wish alot of these operating systems listed had way more support. Other than BSD, good like trying to run a VM on any other alternatives...
The spectrum of cache locality cannot be understated, with normal on-board RAM being a great midpoint on the spectrum.  Big-O notation is all well and good, but cache locality can dominate tractability quite easily if it's swamped by the need to exit CPU cache all the time, or, god forbid hit an SSD array before and HDD array, go over the network, or even have to fetch from deeper storage for the rare case more often than it has to.
>anon how did you make this part that takes all week finish in under an hour or sometimes minutes
>well you see if you do the whole O(M*N) matrix at once then where you started drops out of the cache before you get back around to the next row
>so if you do it one tile at a time then it sits in the cache
>yeah that's even before it started swapping out because you were trying to hold the whole thing in RAM at once
>oh yeah and  it's actually O(M*N*Q*R) and the reason it kept failing out after a week is zipf's law
>so just put a limit on Q and R and discard the pathological cases, which you can see are nonsensical anyway, and now it's not dominated by N^4 behavior anyway
Smart people are smart, but if you never look at what's actually going on under the hood then it's easy 
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Lol, FreeBSD only got ASLR in 2022: https://wiki.freebsd.org/AddressSpaceLayoutRandomization

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Seemed like it would be a good idea for users both old and new.

[Materials to avoid]
Codecademy and other flashy looking sites (KhanAcademy might be okay)
"fishy" Youtube videos such as those from FreeCodeCamp
"Learn X in 24 hours/three days!"
Anything that deviates too far from a specification (Very obvious if you're reading a spec. in parallel with a primary learning resource)
Most blogs, especially anything on Hacker News that isn't being written by someone obviously trustworthy and/or qualified

You should use a metasearch engine. Not only are they better for your privacy, but I've observed better results than single engines like DDG or Yandex.
Bookmark 3-4 reliable instances at the top of your browser and rotate between them or use an add-on such as LibRedirect.

Hacker News has lots of developers and skilled people posting on it. If there's a particular project/idea you're interested in its worth looking it up with their search engine.
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reposting from the containment thread
Is there a decent introduction to computer science and/or programming? I was recommended the CS50 course from Harvard: https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2022/
I remember somebody showing me this website, too:
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that's good if you like wasting ytour time
this is all you need
Scratch is actually quite a nice tool. It teaches core programming concepts (variables, procedural execution, conditional statements, loops, etc.) and has audiovisual capabilities. Really it can be thought of as a language with powerful input and graphical libraries built into it. I've seen people create 3D physics engines and raytracers using Scratch before.
I skimmed through that CS50 course out of curiosity about two weeks back and it looks abysmal. Scratch is easy enough to learn on your own and if you're going to study C you should use King's book. Its quite high quality and is more than enough of a reason to choose C as a first real language (Yeah, not to many people think of the available educational resources and their quality as a reason for choosing a language, huh?). I have no idea what the state of Python education is and I'm not really all that interested in learning it until I have to, but its a simple enough language that I think most resources will be alright. HTML, CSS, and Javascript can be learned on w3schools.

Big word of advice: If this is your first time learning a language, keep track of important terminology. With C for example keep track of words like "Variable (also known as Object)", "Declaration", "Statements", "Assignment", etc. as you first start off. The list will build up extremely quickly and it'll make understanding the language and its standard easier (if that's what y
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> standard C for noobs
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CS50 is trying to teach C after Scratch. If they're going to learn it, they should learn it correctly, and with the standard close to their hearts. Its [the standard] not a good resource for learning from nothing, but it IS good for exact clarification and details, especially if you want them efficiently (quickly) during programming. I've found that using it in combination with King's book has made my web searches (Which really means Stackoverflow) fall close to 0.

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Are you employed in a technical capacity? What job is it? How did you get it? What does your daily wokload look like? Are you looking for a different line of work?
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>M$ forget to update a cert and everything broke again
death to microsoft
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uzbekistan has taken over the world
webm is mongolia but i don't care
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I'm trying to get my degree and once I graduate I was looking to go into webdev or something but this market is looking pretty scary right now. It feels like we're headed right into another recession.
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buddy we're already in a recession if not a depression already. the economy is going to suck for quite a while so don't go waiting for it to get better.
Yup.  Better start making connections and building experience while you can.  Certs in your spare time might be a good way forward to differentiate yourself from the average webdev golem.  A lot of people wind up doing some kind of easy IT or networking gig by eventually knowing more than the other noobs and do-nothings after getting in as some sort of lackey or other.

Graduate degrees are another way in, since they usually pay and then you get to know smarter people and do more interesting things, but that's not for everybody.  Internships or summer jobs with them don't hurt, especially if you want to get to know something unusual and interesting compared to a generic undergrad degree.

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Any ideas on how to shield internet discourse from highly proficient, Turing-Test-passing chatbots sicced on given economical, political and cultural goals set by an unchecked and unbalanced third party?
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>>8993 (OP) 
community wireless networks brah
Cultivate a high-quality culture based on memes too powerful for bots to imitate.

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Discuss methods to remove >systemd.
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Make a niglist of distros that accepted the systemdicks and when possible the people who shilled for its acceptance.
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It is easier to make a list for the inverse.

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Gulag for interesting offtopic discussions.
Try to keep it /tech/ related.
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2hu is the modern Lena
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b is unusable with the stupid captcha, most of the time it doesn't even work right.
Mental illness is when you talk to imaginary people in your head. "AI" (neural network) art is still at an incredibly primitive state and I'm looking forward to it improving. It's not going to replace artists and it's just more sensationalist bullshit like how Net Neutrality or any of the other Current Things :tm: where. 

With that said you should kill yourself for being a wojak posting faggot and even taking the time to write that garbage
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Most soyjaks today are pretty lackluster but this one is good heh. Its a more "classic" version straight outta 2019; something I would've spammed on /qa/ back then.

I can't see AIs taking over artists. At least not for a long time. You can certainly feed particular art styles into something like Stable Diffusion to train it a certain way, but outputs will never have the amount of detail and nuance of a human-generated drawing. The saying "a picture is worth a thousand words" is very applicable here. You'd need a very controlled, fine-tuned training set, a deep understanding of whatever AI you're using, and a thousand tags to get something that matches a specific picture from a particular artist, and like brilliant programmers people capable of this will be very, very rare, assuming that the core AI will be able to keep up.
AI will replace artists where art doesn't matter, which is everywhere in a corporate environment and for porn to some extent.

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