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removing boomers from the internet would solve all its problems

on the turn of the century we all used the internet as teens. we all had msn and icq, maybe irc. we all knew how to browse and make websites. run emulators, download music. use forums. download pr0n. say niggerfaggot. play video games. maybe write code

we knew not to follow advice from the internet. not to run random .exes. we were 10-14.

then the boomers came, around 2010. before that they didnt even know what the internet let alone a computer is. they saw that teens are using the internet
>NOOOO my kidderinos gonna see the forbidden fruit!!
they saw that instant messaging exists
>NOOOO my kidderinos gonna talk to a stranger
they saw websites
>NOOO its about something i dont like MAKE IT ILLEGAL MAKE IT ILLEGAL MAKE IT ILLEGAL
they saw that their son could make a website
>NOOOOO you dont have a license
they saw their son emulate a game that has been out of sale for 40 years
>NOOOOOOOO thats unfair to the publisher
they saw their son put music on an mp3 player / phone
>NOOOO you have to get it through the legal [non existent at the time] channels
>look at me, im buying 1 cd at a time and ripping them onto a computer then putting them on the mp3 player then deleting them from the computer, im white and legal!!
they saw their son play an FPS
>NOOOOOOOO thats making the kids violent
they saw their son say niggerfaggot
>NOOOOOOOO thats not politically correct (even conservative boomers say this)
they saw generic pr0n video hoster site
>NOOOOOO thats a child porn website the owners must now go to jail!!
they see bad / fake advice on a web page
>NOOOO the internet is full of misinformation hire more cops!!!
they download gaychildporn.exe and it turns out to be malware
>NOOOOO MAKE MORE LAWS MAKE MORE LAWS MAKE MORE LAWS BUY MORE SNAKEOIL BUY MORE SNAKEOIL
(and to this day, after 20 years of boomers demands being met (e.g mandatory 2FA everywhere), downloading gaychildporn.exe still results in their bank account draining)
they see you writing code
>NOOOOO you need to consult a lawyer first where is your COPYRIGHT file NOOO youre using this library did you ask them for permission first?
they see you being able to play an mp3
>NOOOO you have to pay codec royalties

boomers are and always were deranged socially out of touch people who do not and cannot understand the concept of "to each their own." they flip out over the very slightest thing. they tried to ban pokemon cards because of some drama that happened at one place somewhere in the world. boomers hear music saying "i love you" and get insulted because its not saying "i love god". nothing boomers say or do makes sense out of their mind. they are like chatgpt before there was chatgpt. if someone says "i worshipped god today before the bonfire," theyll literally be 100% sure that you just said "god belongs in the bonfire." it should be no surprise then, that all policy and technological decisions made by these people would be nonsensical

the internet must be constantly restructured to appease boomers. 90% of your tax money that goes to police (so 90% of 80%) has been used on "internet justice" for the last 10 years. all they do is ruin /tech/. every single possible human interaction on the internet is innately an issue to boomers. merely hosting a personal web page is a problem for boomers

every single thing boomers support for the internet feeds into big tech monopolies and feeding their data to the police
>mp3 illegal
okay now you can get mp3 from these 3 websites that spy on you, have very small boomer approved variety, and need webshit to use
>chat sus
okay now your chat is spied on by (3 companies)
>pr0n needs age verificatin
okay now all your internet activity is spied on by (3 companies)
>website about thing i dont like
okay now you have to be spied on when you register a website so someone can come kill you if a boomer doesnt like it
game emulation
okay now there is an official way to buy some poorly ported game that gives $5 to (trillion dollar corp that bought the IP for $1)
etc

the solution is simple
FUCK BOOMERS
KILL BOOMERS
we should have let COVID kill all the boomers, the world would have became better instead of worse
more seriously, /tech/ only needs one law: it should be illegal for a baby boomer to use the internet. that would LITERALLY fix all the problems
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Agree on most things. Day of the pillow soon.

Some people bitched at me for not putting a name in my license file containing a public domain license.

Thee problem is, you don't hate them enough. They replaced entire countries' populations with brown muslims and eastern european scum in the hope it would help their pensions somehow. And they are proud of it.
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That would've been enough before, but tablet phones have tricked multiple generations of youngsters by now into believing they know how to use technology:
http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
There are many laws or extralegal cultural moral panics that could be used to remove or restrict consoomer mobileshit from future generations of kids, but I'm unsure if that would make enough of a difference to eventually flush the pipe of smartphone addicted adult zoomers.
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>>19206
I don't know if you're serious or being sarcastic.

>'I'll need to be quick. I've got a lesson to teach in 5 minutes,' I said. 'You teach?'
'That's my job, I just happen to manage the network team as well.'
>I decided that the young woman would probably not appreciate the sarcasm, and took the MacBook off her so I could add in the county's proxy server settings. I had no idea how to do this on OS X. The county proxy is there to ensure that the staff and students can't access porn on the school network. It also filters for violence, extremism, swearing, social networks, alcohol, smoking, hacking, gaming and streaming video. Ironically, if you were to perform a Google search for "proxy settings OS X", the top results would all be blocked because you used the word 'proxy' and that is a filtered word.
>It took me about ten seconds to find and fill in the proxy settings. I handed back her MacBook and she actually closed Safari and reopened it, rather than just refreshing. 'Thanks.' Her gratitude was overwhelming.
>I sat back down and once again took possession of her MacBook. The slide she was displaying contained an embedded YouTube video, and as I have said, streaming video is blocked. I tried to explain this to the woman, and she then patronisingly explained that it shouldn't matter as the video was in her PowerPoint and that was running from her USB stick. I didn't argue, it was really not worth my time. Instead I do what I normally do for people and Just make it work. Using my iPad's 3G connection, I set up a hot-spot and download the YouTube video using a popular ripping site and then embed the now local video in her presentation.

<It's literally all his fault and the problems people are having are because of how he configured the network.
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I also remember how boomers fought ipv6 because ipv4 allows them to be the network dictator and police everyone better like some muslim third world shithole.
>>19206
>tablet 
>phones
Not for nothin' but phablets is a word.
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>>19208
Gosh, aside from that being totally irrelevant to the point he was making (anyone who was willing to invest 10 seconds in learning how to use their thousands of dollars of technology, let alone actually was tech savvy, would've been able to "fix" both the VPN and Youtube "issues" themselves), it's not as if he addressed exactly your concern himself further in the article:
>But the curriculum isn't the only area in which we've messed up. >Our network infrastructures in UK schools is equally to blame. We've mirrored corporate networks
>[...]
>The computers access the internet through proxy servers that aggressively filter anything less bland than Wikipedia, and most schools have additional filtering software on-top so that they can maintain a white-list of 'suitable sites'.

>>19212 
Technically, the term for what I'm referring to is "slate phone," but I was sort of attempting to imply both slate phones and tablets as platform-level expressions of the same problem.
>phablet
Was a term specifically meant to refer to "really big slate phones that are still smaller than tablets". Except, since then phones and tablets have been getting so huge that many phones are now larger than the original iPad Mini.
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>>19218
Ok boomer
It's never been like this. I always helped teachers with the PCs in school. Even those who are responsible for the school IT or teaching comp sci only know the bare minimum relevant to their jobs.
In reality computers have become more accessible over time, so there are more people who can work with them in absolute numbers.

>(anyone who was willing to invest 10 seconds in learning how to use their thousands of dollars of technology, let alone actually was tech savvy, would've been able to "fix" both the VPN and Youtube "issues" themselves), 
No. Especially not my parents or grandparents.
The entire claim that younger people are worse with computers is some self validation thing for subhumans. People born after me will skip many retarded steps needed to attain knowledge. For example encodings in Windows Notepad were named wrong leading to users of Windows first having to figure that out and install a different editor because notpad couldn't save UTF-8 without BOM. Now it's named correctly and the default setting. If I ask a young person in 20 years he'll reply "haven't we always been using that? Wow, they did such stupid things back then. I didn't even know." Or "it was fixed. why care now?"
Why learn how to solve a solved problem. I'm happy for them. They shouldn't have to learn so much crap.
We need to get back to the 2000-2010 internet, where it wasn't serious business.
The problem is that now everyone is terminally online, from kids to boomers.
If we create a world where the internet is not the main place people will again ignore and we can go back to the old west free place it was.

Social networks fucked up everything, even since people took Twitter for a serious place it's all going downhill. I still remember when famous people posted every kind of joke there and it was ok.
Now politicians take the online space like a sanctuary. They let fent zombies roam the streets stealing shit but arrest someone for typing "ur a fag, lol".
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>>19220
Not gonna happen. We're in the middle of the AI bubble.
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>>19219
>I always helped teachers with the PCs in school.
He makes this point right in the opening paragraph you quoted
>Even those who are responsible for the school IT or teaching comp sci only know the bare minimum relevant to their jobs.
He also makes this point, bemoaning the typical IT curriculum from K-12 through college as a barebones feeder for the Microsoft Certification Industrial Complex.
>claim that younger people are worse with computers
That's not what he's claiming, nor the point I was making when I linked him. Rather, the point I'm seeking to convey is that unlike in the past when people (correctly) assumed that random normalfags who had never touched a computer didn't know how to use them, that people who did use computers knew how to use them, and that youth were more likely to belong in the latter category. The basis underlying the assumption that computer use means computer knowledge has broken down, partly because of phones, partly because of PC use turning into web terminals. In spite of this, people, especially older people, still believe in this assumption.
>computers have become more accessible over time, so there are more people who can work with them in absolute numbers
The author makes exactly this observation, but it's secondary to his basic point, which is that...
>No. Especially not my parents or grandparents.
I strongly disagree, I've seen shit exactly like in that article. I can't count the number of times I've been asked for help by flailing retards, and if instead of just fixing it for them, gently walk them through performing a search of the web or a quick skim of the manual, having them actually follow the instructions they find, and them fixing the seemingly insurmountable problem themselves in seconds. After a few sessions of this, a lifetime of learned helplessness melts away, and they're able to function at the level of a human with the normal number of chromosomes even without the deep level of knowledge I have.

It isn't just that computers have become easier to use, but that the majority of people using them, use a far narrower subset of their features (that they're even allowed to use, on mobileshit and overadministered PCs!) than their predecessors did. For this reason, they lack even fundamental tech skills like "actually reading and following onscreen instructions", "troubleshooting by process of elimination", and "awareness of basic concepts such as directories and files" that most gradeschool aged PC users gained in their first month in the '90s.

This bizarre learned helplessness combines with the false confidence that their maladaptive habits constitute anything like tech competence, to make them no more competent than some random boomer in the 1980s using a PC for the first time.

>>19221 
Who knows? Maybe the only visible trace of normalfags online in a few years will be their AI agents stripmining shit for them, having been herded from mere algorithmic filterbubbles into solipsistic personal chatbot bubbles.
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>>19222
>That's not what he's claiming, nor the point I was making when I linked him.
It's what 'you' claimed.
<That would've been enough before, but tablet phones have tricked multiple generations of youngsters by now into believing they know how to use technology:
This applies just as well to older generations.

>I strongly disagree
ok boomer

>For this reason, they lack even fundamental tech skills like "actually reading and following onscreen instructions"
Old people are very good at this and for that reason love to install shit when a website tells them to because they can't tell browser content and UI apart since they haven't understood the desktop metaphor.
Many things in the UI are named wrong or in a misleading way, especially if your language isn't English. The last thing I do is what the onscreen instructions tell me. I usually just search.

>"awareness of basic concepts such as directories and files"
You think a single non-techical person knows that the %HOMEPATH%/OneDrive/Music folder is not the same as the %HOMEPATH%/Music folder? It looks the same in Windows explorer in the UI. Displayed as same path in the address bar and with the same folder icon and the address bar doesn't even show anything above the user folder. The file name extensions are today hidden away by default.
No OS with major market share promotes awareness of absolute file paths.

>that most gradeschool aged PC users gained in their first month in the '90s.
In many countries (including mine) children of gradeschool kids were not allowed free access to computers at all. This is still true today. They are often unable to learn computers in childhood because they are only allowed to have phones (often still restricted in time and usage by confiscating the device or installing children's safety shit).
It's really low to blame this on children. However it's been true in the past too.
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Long before mobile phones children were already lead towards game consoles rather than PCs.
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American 90s kids will for example forever remind everyone about the N64 and Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie like literally nothing else existed back then.
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>>19219
>Why learn how to solve a solved problem.
Because "not having to know how to do it" eventually becomes "being unable to do it" and the problem is no longer solved.
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>>19223
>It's what you claimed
No it isn't. I'm not saying they're worse than before, I'm saying they're the same at best as non-computer-users were, but misapprehend that they are better.
>Old people are very good at this
LOL no they aren't. "It doesn't work" "It doesn't work how? What came up when you searched for the message it gave you?" "I dunno, it's just not working" *see them click through message saying exactly what's wrong in language even they understand when I force them to notice it*
>install shit when a website tells them to
They aren't reading anything, they just blindly click on every button and hyperlink that grabs focus.
>they haven't understood the desktop metaphor
That's exactly one of the things I complained about, never having even touched a filebrowser, never having used any software other than a web browser.
>not allowed free access to computers at all
>it's been true in the past too.
I was referring specifically to the kids who did have access to computers, because their family bought a C64 for $100 they hooked up to the livingroom TV, their classroom had an Apple ][e with a permissive teacher, etc.

>>19224
>>19225
True, boomers did spout "Johnny uses Nintendo all the time, he's good with technology", but the level of delusion was nowhere near as bad as with phones and browsers today, especially in the minds of kids themselves.

>>19235
Half agreed, but I'd put that a little differently. It's because the "new" easier system isn't really different from the old difficult system, it's just a layer smeared on top of the old difficult thing.

For instance, in the "classic" Mac, there was actual metadata such as type and creator codes, linked to applications at the lowest level by global IDs. This meant brittle legacy crap like filename extensions, app pathnames, and hardlinks aren't just hidden, they literally don't exist.

Modern "easy" platforms mimick this classic Mac feature (files with icons "recognized" by an app you've installed) on a purely superficial basis, but it's built atop all the brittle legacy garbage. Which means an expert user of a modern platform must understand TWO systems instead of just one, when something breaks.

Phone OSs and webshit take this "infinity lasagna of legacy cruft" design ethos to an even greater extreme
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I also noticed this discrepancy, and I find it funny how another piece of technology we are forced to deal with on a daily basis doesn't get the same misconception: the car.

Nobody goes around thinking kids these days know more about cars just because they started driving dad's car at age 15. Nobody thinks that just because someone drives well (knows how to operate a car's controls) then it means they are also a skilled mechanic (knows how it all functions under the hood) yet somehow boomers will see a teenager typing 500wpm on a phone's keyboard and think "Wow, my arthritis fingers could never do that! This kid must be a world-class hacker!" when, just like the average driver, they also couldn't change the metaphorical tire to save their lives.
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>>19243
That's a really good comparison.
To add on to that, someone who knows how to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission is likely going to be seen as having a somewhat better grasp of his car's innards than someone who only drives cars with an automatic tranny. The very process of driving his car demands that from him. In exchange for what soon becomes muscle memory, he gains greater control over his vehicle and can do things that the driver of an automatic simply cannot.
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>>19219
>notpad couldn't save UTF-8 without BOM
Huh, I didn't know there actually is a "BOM" character for UTF-8. Which is a misnomer since byte order is totally irrelevant for UTF-8. I will continue pretending it doesn't exist though.
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>>19245
Contrariwise, while the ability to change inner tubes, refill battery acid, and tune carburetors is today interesting trivia, it is irrelevant to modern cars that lack such parts. As opposed to something that is still hiding under the surface, such as engine RPM and discrete "gears" (bands) on automatics other than CVTs.
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>>19241
>but misapprehend that they are better.
>but the level of delusion was nowhere near as bad as with phones and browsers today, especially in the minds of kids themselves.
I'm sure they are once they get to the same age.

>For instance, in the "classic" Mac, there was actual metadata such as type and creator codes, linked to applications at the lowest level by global IDs.
It literally doesn't matter. Mimetype recognition is done by both filename extensions and magic numbers on all modern platforms. No, they don't need to know about what classic mac did.

>>19243
Cars have been around for a long time which is consistent over generations. Computers have not. Old people are tendentially more resistant to learning. (Cry about it)

>>19245
It's mainly boomer motorists who care about manual transmission. Less than 1% of new cars in the USA even have manual transmission.

>>19247
It's an unreliable identifier for the encoding just like in UTF-16. It's badly named in both cases. Yes, you can ignore their existance now. Don't write a BOM. Write utf-8 with lf linebreak.

>>19249
Why do you use power steering? You need to use manual steering to really have control over your car! 2030 all cars in the EU will come with some features like automatic braking if a person is in front of the car and driver attention monitoring. It's already put into law. With those requirements most cars will likely come with drive assistant too.
Your "making fire with sticks" skill is now worthless.
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>>19197 (OP) 
three things killed the internet:

1. monetization: the commodification of creativity and people's attention spans / the birth of the "influencer"
2. corporate interests: the gradual takeover of the space by big, centralized businesses, and the death of unique/disparate homegrown communities
3. accessibility: the shift of the platform from a hobbyist-focused method of communication, to a content delivery platform that people could access 24/7 using devices in their pockets

all the other failings are downstream from this. 

it's too late for it to be saved; you would have to make it illegal to make money online to even have a chance. you would have to ban AI. you would probably need to roll us back to 56.6 kbit/s or early DSL internet speeds. you would have to eradicate the smart phone as a product.
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>>19251
>it doesn't matter
>they don't need to know
>old people (cry about it)
>boomer
>your skill is worthless
Nobody's crying except you, mate. You just sound old, bored, and tired of life.
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>>19253
>tired of life
Maybe but I'm not old yet.
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>>19220
Its the old switcheroo. Everyone has become an internet addict, so the natural neckbeard edgelord move is to become an irl doer.
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>>19251
Isn't this post a repeated failure to answer the breakfast question?
>imagine how you would learn your computer if you used a classic mac
<but I don't own a classic mac
>imagine what you would know if you drove with a manual transmission
<but I don't drive a manual transmission
>imagine how useless your knowledge would be if you knew how to repair things your car didn't have, and contrast that to knowledge of something that's still in your car and affects how it drives
<but I have power steering and future me barely drives my car in the EU
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>>19257
The sooner you realize and fully accept the fact you're nowhere as smart as you think, the better. No hard feelings, but you sound like a pretentious, annoying retard.
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>>19258
Nigga nobody cares how smart other people are: you fucked up a tech conversation so hard that you demonstrated a cognitive disability found in low-IQ prison inmates.
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>>19260
it's some other dude

I'm
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>>19261
Aight, my bad. The point still stands.
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