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Gulag for interesting offtopic discussions.
Try to keep it /tech/ related.
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I don't know what did you expect coming from a namefag. Just like report and hide
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why is EVERY FUCKING SINGLE "higurashi naku koro ni" fan a fucking pedo except for me (i think. maybe im actually a pedo but i dont know it)
not asking this on real /b/ because i can FORETELL i'd only get "C.P." replies
Works with JS disabled. Doesn't load thumbnails.
>Pleroma (bloat)
Works with JS disabled. Does load thumbnails.
Both Mastodon (JS enabled) and Pleroma (JS enabled or bloat) load every fucking whole image before you open them. WHAT THE FUCK. No wonder this garbage is so damn slow. Is this required by ActivityPub for federation to work? Or is it poor implementation by the phonefags who created Mastodon and Pleroma? I'm too retarded to find out myself.
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>I want a static page that is dynamic
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I didn't say that, nigger. Pleroma (bloat) uses static pages. But even a dynamic page doesn't need to start loading a whole image before you open it. Kill yourself.
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>use app
>on web
>abloo abloo muh js
Use a native client like Tokodon, one that isn't built on webshit.
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Wouldn't surprise me if a "native client" does the exact same shit and you only haven't noticed. This isn't about JS. I've not cried about JS. Here's your last (You) until you learn how to read.
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>Kill yourself.
Was this part so necessary? Would it make the other guy more willing to help you? I won't even comment about the "nigger" part. Holy fuck, why are there so many extremely antisocial narcissists on the internet.
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A no-JS page can't dynamically load images. You either have images or thumbnails that link to the original image and open it in a separate URL.
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It's configurable
>your last (You)
Different anon, lurkmoar newfag.

You need to UwU-post for ragebait to work right
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<muh proprietary bad, they make 10 different closed document formats
>meanwhile ((( open source community ))) makes 10 different ((( open ))) formats, each of them being shit

Proprietary = BAD
Open source = BAD
We need third position. Hitler software solutions. With Nazi principles.
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Yes. Kill yourself NIGGER.
He is that self-admitted troll.
Watch this https://css-tricks.com/responsive-images-css/
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Open formats are documented, so you can more easily make and maintain translators to your preferred format. The same is true of proprietary formats that publish good documentation with proper APIs, and whose reference implementation actually faithfully follows those docs. The advantage of open formats here is that their implementations are also open source, so even if the docs are shit and/or the implementation doesn't follow them, you can fall back on the spaghetti source as a last resort.

LOL good point, I forgot about that. Amazing to think how much misery, from table spacer GIFs to Java, could've been avoided if HTML had shipped with the stylesheet file support most SGML impementations had on day 1.
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>a site that can't display images without javascript
>showcasing a feature that has nothing to with the discussion 
Again, you can't dynamically load images. You can, as seen in your examples, have alternatives to load in your static page, but once it's loaded it's loaded and you need to refresh to change it.
Even if we pretend the information provided in that link allows for images to respond to events, do you seriously believe not-twitter should give you a page full of thumbnails and reload the entire page with one image in full size every time you click a pic?
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>Open formats are documented
Open formats are documented until they become popular or the official team gets tired, at which point the documentation becomes merely a suggestion and fixing it isn't seen as necessary because you can just read the source code or ask for help from the 'tisms that still use it.
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Images are loaded when the rule matches, there is no full page reload. This proves the page can load smaller images and dynamically load big images later. There is also lazy loading support for without even using css: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Performance/Lazy_loading
Try this, resize your browser window.
<!DOCTYPE html>
<title>css dynamic image test</title>
body, html{
	height: 100%
#testpic {
	width: 100%;
	height: 100%;
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	background-size: contain;
	background-image: url('1.jpg');
@media screen and (min-width: 760px) {
#testpic {
	background-image: url('2.png');
<img id="testpic" />
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For Free Software to be more widely adopted, you guys have to stop being such assholes. Or else the stereotype that Free Software is only for antisocial people will never go away. I'd say that it's even possible that you're actually shills contracted by M$ to make Free Software look bad. And no, you won't become a leftie/progressive/anti-racist/LGBT/femboy/etc by communicating like civilized White people, instead of spamming controversial words like "nigger" or "faggot", advocating suicide, etc.
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>stop being such assholes
That's not a freetard thing, but an Internet thing. By constantly lacing our sincere expressions with sarcastic trolling, we condition readers to react the same way against passive-aggression as they would against active-aggression, keeping gullibility and intellectual laziness to a minimum at the mere cost of a small amount of transmission noise.

In contrast, venues where people are supposed to talk to each other in a normal, sincere, polite way invariably fall under the sway of people who (whether out of malice or genuine stupidity) spout dumbass bullshit in a polite, reasonable sounding way, and aren't ever confronted about that with the necessary degree of candor.

For very small, stable, tightly knit, typically IRL venues, there are other social dynamics that can reliably acculturate and ostracize members in a polite way. But for a large, transient, loose group such as an online forum, by far the most durable culture in my experience is loose moderation and a paper-thin veneer of constant hostility.
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>For Free Software to be more widely adopted, you guys have to stop being such assholes
I don't want free software to be more widely adopted, fuck off back to Windows.
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Very good points, but I found hostility in your post to be lacking, which >>7576 promptly provided.

I don't even want to share a planet with faggots who disagree with saying nigger. Why do I want to share software with them? Have it ever occur to you that people can just not give a shit about what others use? I don't care about subhuman nigger software users, I only want them gone.
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TBQH, while it still works to filter normalfaggotry, much as with faggot and retard we need something new that's offensive and disagreeable to both newfags and oldfags alike.

And by that I of course mean something short of the nuclear option of pizza spamming
Then Free Software supporters should become more civilized on the internet to stand out. People would start thinking "wow, everyone on the internet behaves like a nigger, but those Free Software guys are really polite and cultured people. I might look into Free Software."
So you don't even care about the Free Software values? You only care about behaving like an angry 14 year old fedora tipper on the internet, and LARPing as a Free Software user is just a way to make you seem even more edgy and "counter-culture"?
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>Free Software values
Under the absolute strictest interpretation, users=luzerz, everyone should be a contributor, anything else is the highway to hell. I'm not quite that absolutist, but it's a common position, and one I sympathize with as an ideal.
>you guys have to stop being such assholes
Seconding this.
Unfortunately that would be asking too much of freetards, especially linux users. They want to be the only users of free software because muh sekrit club / muh purity so any "outsider" gets pushed away. The problem is that free software will die without exposure; the more users, the bigger the incentive to develop better software / add features / improve accessibility...etc. But of course freetards don't care, they would rather have their software die than become "normalfag friendly".

>Why do I want to share software with them?
People will gravitate towards free software whether you like it or not, you could help assimilate them and point them in the right direction, or you could leave them to the woke/CoC fags who gladly will... If a neutral bystander had to choose between interacting with an asshole anon or a polite tranny, he would choose the latter every time. Before you know it the entire FOSS world will be dominated by trannies and CoC freaks, because the only alternative is assholes, and no one likes assholes.
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biggest problems with the free software community? simple.
>laziness by devs
most of them start projects or contribute to them as a hobby. when lots of people start asking for big features, even if it would greatly improve the software but take a lot of time/effort to implement, it stops becoming a hobby and more of a chore where it feels like you're never accomplishing anything. this leads into the infamous "but why do you want to do that with this software" argument that devs spit out when they can't simply say they don't want to do it.
example: VLC has a feature where you can move a video forward by one frame, but not backward. MPC (and I believe MPV) have this feature, so this seems like a bit of a discrepancy. i searched online for possible fixes and found a thread on the VLC forums where another user requested this very feature. but one of the lead devs immediately got into a multi-page flame war with him about "it's not possible, it cannot be done because of buffers and seeking and shit, fuck off", even though it certainly was possible since just about every other video player can do it. if this dev had worked for a corporate environment and his boss demanded he do it, it could've been done in two weeks, easy. he had no reason to rewrite his program for what he perceived as a minor feature that he did not personally need and could live without. which leads to my next point:
>lack of incentive
as mentioned before most devs make free software for fun or as a hobby, as opposed to corporate pajeets where their software is proprietary, bloated, and barely usable, but it eventually does what the users want them to, because corporate execs listen to other corporate execs on what they need the software to do, and they break out the whip and threaten the programmers with crunch time/layoffs to get the software to do what it needs to do, all obstacles be damned. the free software community only got where it is now, in a semi-usable state for non-devs, only because of the millions of users eventually making something that sort of works.
>lack of cohesion
there are a gorillion distros because everyone thinks their way is better. the reason there's a hierarchy in the military is because everyone can have their own equally good idea for how to take that hill, but everyone else has to follow along with it. that's what the general is for, you follow his idea or you get court marshalled. it may not be the best idea and your idea may be better, but you're not in charge. with free software, most people are ideafags and refuse to follow anyone else's idea because they believe theirs is the best. tied in with the above issues, it's a miracle that anything works together at all.
>wrong goals
everyone talks about the "year of the linux desktop" and envision a populace that uses 100% free software, but do we really want that? most of the population are retarded and just want shit that works. they have been abused by M$ for decades that they've forgotten (or never known) that software used to be fun, free, and open for the most part. they're a lost cause. fuck users, gatekeep free software as hard as you can. if someone wants to contribute, they'll have to indoctrinate themselves into liking it. otherwise the community gets watered down with retards (as we're seeing with github trannies) and whatever made free software good gets lost in the process.
also stallman is a fat jewish retard that should've retired 20 years ago. stop following him and his retarded ideas.
>samefagging this
>free software will die without exposure
It is dying, or being killed, by exposure to faggots like you. The more user, the bigger the incentive to be swayed by users instead of developers. Sjw COCk useful niggers are there because of exposure. Developer suffer peer pressure and social blackmailing because of exposure, otherwise they could just say get the fuck out when ((( they ))) tried to insert the COCk.
No thanks, there are enough users and developers who conform and want others to conform to social norms and pressure.
>help assimilate
>leave them to the woke/CoC fag
You sound like those fags you are talking about. If a neutral bystander had to choose between interacting with a polite anon or a tranny, he would choose the latter every time because of fags like you who pushes "tolerance" as a virtue and exploding van as terrorists. Since a neutral bystander wish to be a good guy, he wouldn't even be at this place anyway. There are no and will never be any neutral bystander on this board you fucking kike. You made sure of that. Then, what does a good guy does, choose an polite anon or lgbt plebbit upboats?
Let say we wear our suits and welcome these newfags like the whole western world is doing irl (and look what come out of it). What would become of technical discussions? What about culture? You know damn well what would happen and that's precisely what you wanted. To turn every place into a melting pot of void flush.
In your mind, every place has to be some kind of indoctrination chamber. This is not.
Fuck niggers.
Fuck sjws.
Fuck faggots.
Fuck shills and trolls like you.
Fuck non-free users.
Most of all, fuck jews. 
This is /tech/. There are /tech/ discussions, there are source code, there are crazy hacks, there are posts with "nigger", "faggots" and "((()))". Like it or leave it. You can keep coming up with bullshit like this and get reportedbanned, or you can fuck right off back to your other fuck buddies. Better yet, 41% yourself.
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It's almost like you actually miss me...!
Also, you have to change your mentality about other people (unless you can't do it because you're a literal psychopath) -- even from a «Free Software good, proprietary bad» perspective, if you hate anyone simply for not using proprietary software, good luck finding any friends, and forget about even possibly getting a (actually female) girlfriend. I hope you mature out of that before it's too late for you.


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Not that anon, but go and stuck a dilator in your axe wound faggot
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>((( alexander ))) imposes Tor ban
>board quality immediately plummets
((( pure cohencidence )))
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What? I can send post with Tor
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He is talking about >>>/b/
what the fuck did 7604 and 7609 say? why was it marked as not spam yet? piece of shit browser keeps on sleeping my tabs

nobody? so you'd rather let the human race die thanks to furfags well fuck this
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also can sturgeon be careful? i had a really bad dream when one day where all of my mass replies disappeared because some romainan spamfag used PH residential proxies to flood CP thank you good sirs
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7604 was a stock photo related to suicide. 7609 was a complaint similar to >>7616.
>human race die thanks to furfags
>>7538 was almost making sense, it is hard to tell if that was another poster. I don't know anything about furfags and I don't intend to. Generally speaking, when a community is subverted, you must think why the community did not resist or why they failed to resist.
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When is /digi/ gonna be renamed to /tranny/ ?
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oh and heres the 4chan thread i didnt get much replies lel https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/89257982

>>7633 just for the kicks i have the urge to ACK raid that board inb4 fedpost
>/digi/ you mean /furi/ ouch the hammer hit me again
oh that board PFFT they even have a literal renamon furfag flag oh not to mention that they really despise 3dpd or anything non furfag like rabid banhappy animals
god i hate this chan the reason i came here among all the others was because theres very little furfags and the PPH is just right (not too slow or fast) and jarty has rogue jannies already in less than one year and that romania furfag keeps on stalking me prizma is also a faggot sissy running the craft I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>7569 >>265 (>>6648 cringe but ill mass reply later)
can either one of the admins remove this offensive banner already? why is libbiesoftiktok even allowed here isnt that cringe VN thread supposed to be at cakedgov? they literally have furfag boards like /zoo/ why off all places did this faggot deploy his furcoal thread here? i just wanted a space for gamers goddamit and you wonder why IBs left and right are going rainbow? you faggots get what you deserve (if you want me to apologize for everything i did just let me mass reply harmlessly that's all)

>>7620 forgot to add this earlier (>>7621 thanks but why did alexander even wipe it)
also speaking of moderator can someone unjanny rapeman or alteast keep Xirs powers contained to /b/ and /v/ only? wizard and the other global vols should be the only ones allowed on /tech/ i hell no god not seagull

archive links since my schizo rants poofed overnight https://archive.is/Hb6LQ https://archive.is/kxAve
>be me post incomplete Hyper-V GPU-P tutorial on /v/
>make really comprehensive edit for one hour
>also include legitimate indie suggestion in the comment tail
>finally done and ARCHIVED just in case
>now post some flashes in the dedicated thread to save it while namefagging
>wake up next day and post shoahed while someone bumped it
>check logs yeah i know who did it
holy shit you thought soygulls™ moderation was THAT bad and rulecucked but this faggot is even miles worse i literally tired my my best and contributed just for the sake of reviving the page 13 thread and what did i get? A FUCKING DELETION not to mention that faggot removed my previous 2 month old post above as well and Xe reeally hates soyjaks with a burning passion (kek i remember sturgeon banning page 20 sages to cheat GETS)
sorry for the blogpost take these shitty memes in the meantime i dont want to further bother the content creation thread with crappy things
I'm responding to >>>/b/127040 why the fuck are you posting on /b/ anyway? because of muh Tor ban from antifa tranny ((( alexander ))).
The internet you remember was populated by the minority of humanity. There's no reason why that can't hold true again. Tor and I2P are a thing but they're useless unless quality anons and oldfags post useful and meaningful content there. Until then, it's useless to criticize what clearnet has become.
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Also, if someone responds or reference a post on another board, there should be a visible link to that post, same as if the reply was posted from the same board, except listing the longer >>>/board/post_number format
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Why do Russia jews want to turn all Aryans into miscegenation mongrels like pic related?
TOR and I2P are memes though, one glows like the sun and the other barely works. I'm yet to see a promising "alt net" that is both functional and approachable.
you should have posted in >>769 instead
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>one glows like the sun
The 2DPD psyop is designed so that trannies can sell their shitty ((( artwork ))) to incels
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since youre here and use the same botnet as mine can you test it as well? i just want to see if my tracking theory is right i cant be the only TI (targeted individual) here but this time by furfeds not CIA

i made this me r8 is my b8 8/8 https://archive.is/5jYgm

>>5379 (i will dig up that old rant in my txt collection)
Is Msedge truly the shittiest browser out there not even my VMs tolerate the messy code inside? because this proves there isnt otherwise after 30 fricking days of meme-ory leaks this thing finally hit the fan and the renderer crashed but session buddy saved my ass once again i thought 48gb was enough? this proves otherwise and im not gonna get another stick again for 64gb at this point im really moving to chedot or chromium on my other VMs as well we gamers are truly the most oppressed minority in the world not even our software works properly

Holy shit? just how bad is winblows tracking these days? i was just browsing shit on incognito and my past still lingers in their preference servers i thought the cookies were gone? what the actual fuck
i was just searching for gumball clips for my meme edit folder (the Sussie chocolate one) and a bunch of MLP videos popped up in recommendations and on google images DeviantArt shit showed up on frontpage (the rest are normal clip art) for no reason i guess this is indeed [eyesore design] after all since bing knows that i really hate this shit yet it kept showing there (its so bad that even VMs from my local IP is affected too as well)

How the fuck do i reset my advertising ID or better yet [remove furfag results search] i used to ignore PH ads back then. those are one thing but holy fuck they really are going too far this time and rubbing it into my face with the unexpected furry crap to anger me further why is microshaft doing this? why do you faggots want to convert me so much into your disgusting kind? this is piece of shit OS is really getting on my nerves now time to hurry up on that new samsung SSD inb4 they give me an update that locks my micron drive
i bet one of the FAGMAN employees is watching my screen at this moment waiting to strike when im unprepared SHOW YOURSELF ANIM-ACK!
if this continues not gonna be long before this disease starts creeping on my dad's phone and accounts god no leave my family NPC alone and just to spite them off ill browse some cute loli once in a while to remind filthy kykemonos what they'll never have

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/tripcode/%21%21Lrw4ESrTqns/ kek somebody was already way ahead of me he made the flipino jak first on 4th pic he's also a tripfag like me
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>turn on VPN
>connect to russia
>works fine
>day passes
>try to search for something
>get this
wait, what's the point of segregating a country and limiting their access to information? I thought we didn't want another country with a chink firewall.
>"A well-known pitfall when implementing a linked list in Rust is that the the default recursive drop implementation causes stack overflow for long lists."
WTF? I wanted to give Rust a try but it seems like shit language with even worse community...
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Heh, I know nothing about rust but I think I understand.
Drop is the destructor, which calls the destructor of its children, which results in a deep call stack.
Shouldn't this also happen with a naive list implemented in C++ (or any similiar language?)
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I don't get it, why a stack overflow?
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>shouldn't this also happen
Unless it is implemented as a loop instead of recursion or the compiler does tail call.
I don't know enough Rust to fully answer your question but recursion can get really expensive, unless the language (Scheme, Lisp, $Your_Functional_Lang, etc.) does some tricks to make it cheap.
Some pointers:
>https://mitp-content-server.mit.edu/books/content/sectbyfn/books_pres_0/6515/sicp.zip/full-text/book/book-Z-H-11.html#%_sec_1.2 (especially see: Figure 1.3  It basically explains everything.)
>https://www.cs.utexas.edu/ftp/garbage/cs345/schintro-v14/schintro_127.html (perhaps a better explanation)
>https://archive.is/RRC3f ( Chicken does TCO this way.)
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Good for him. Hope he doesn't come back again. You have to be a cuck in the first place, to run a clearnet website at a loss when it requires jumping through so many hoops to stay online nowadays, especially as a dead website on a dead webring. Me in the red and white checker pattern.
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not a fanboy but why do you hate him so much? i thought jschan was great? fuck vichan though especially the furfaggot maintaining it
it only says there due to inactivity and everything is backed up as the website costed him a lot of money
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I'm familiar with TCO. It should be trivial to implement for a linked list considering each recursive function calls only one other function, so I'm surprised they had a problem with that. Trees might be trickier though.
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What is the appeal of recursion when iteration works? There is no reason to do recursion on a stack based processor.
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>What is the appeal of recursion when iteration works? 
It can be sometimes easier to write a recursive version of a function or the recursive version can be more clear.
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I have no problems with that. Back in my school, every stupid women in stem and niggers have trouble getting their head around recursion. Can you give some examples on such algorithms?
Anything involving backtracking is a natural fit for recursion. You can always translate any recursion to iteration (easy proof: your machine has no notion of functions, so that's what it does under the hood), but often you will essentially just be reimplementing a recursion mechanism by hand that will be utterly unreadable and likely slower too since it's harder to optimize than the base facilities of the language.
I don't hate Tom at all. I had some fun there, but it's good he stopped wasting money on fatchan. If I hate anyone it's that OP for his Tom obsession. The webring doesn't retain anons during unexpected downtimes and deaths of boards or sites, as was envisioned. The webring is only used for gossiping about sites/namefags and blaming sites/namefags for any posts anons dislike.
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testing also why does the webring hate namefags so much? apparently were worse than plebbitor drama

strangely enough after searching toptom m6 on of the results mentioned libreboot but despite the unlocked firmware i am still reluctant to try it out
>testing also why does the webring hate namefags so much?
newfag. it's not just the webring...
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>>7737 ((( You )))
Alright, I'll bite.
IBs are not your blog or social media platform, everyone is anonymous and hence equal. You going out of your way to namefag/tripfag is the ultimate form of attention whoring that defeats the purpose of IBs.
You don't even need to namefag in the first place because your posting style is so fucking obvious and sticks out like a sore thumb. It's the same schizo drivel every time.
Unironically kill yourself faggot.
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>apparently were worse than plebbitor drama
The only thing that saddens me about Fatchan closing is the fact that there is no /vr/ equivalent on the webring.
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>why does an anonymous message board hate those who intentionally break their anonymity
Gee, I wonder why.
There's always /retro/ on the cafe, or you could drive discussion on /valis/ given how dead it is right now.
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These chans all fucking suck. Can't even comfypost without a niggerlicious browser. Everything a shit.
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You should have build your own format rather than waste time talking with /tech/ and /unix/ niggers.
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You should shut the fuck up rather than making a post of zero value.
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Sounds like Discord would be more up your speed.
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Can I play Fortnite in that AOL room? I really like Fort nite!
lol discord is absolutely fucking batshit insane with the amount of spying it does on you
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>the amount of spying
>the amount of spying it got caught doing
You can be absolutely sure microsoft, google and facebook are way ahead in this game. They just don't get caught. Personalized search results and ads are how they leak how much they know about you. They have your browsing habits, sites you go to, articles you read. Think of all the websites with youtube video embedded, google integration and all sorts of trackers.
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I use Links or Lynx to browse the web, so that tracking shit doesn't work gud. That also means a lot of sites are broken (no javascript, CSS, etc.), but fuck it, I can just browse other sites instead.
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Text browsers will stick out due to the much smaller user base compared to other options, which makes fingerprinting based purely on browsing habits much easier. For example browsers like TBB are built around the idea of strength in numbers, it's not that you can't tell someone is using Tor, but because TBB users fall into only a handful of fingerprints you can't really differentiate them sufficiently.
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I'm not using Tor. I'm just browsing places like here and some game forums and tech sites. Sometimes archive.org, wikipedia, but no "social media" crap. And so basically in that context, the text browsers work gud enough, and also don't load their javascript and other modern web tracking shits. Granted, they could still track me if they really wanted to, but their entire spyware infrastructure is built upon modern web browser functionality. If you remove that piece of subversion, they can't get nearly as much data or co-relate it as easily.
Plus those graphical browsers just aren't comfy for me, they're a chore, something I'd rather never use, ever ever. So getting less tracking is kinda like a bonus, but not even their main attraction for me. I actually had more fun (a lot more fun!) on BBS's and when my Internet was text only dialup, on a 486 with DOS and QModemPro.
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>javascript and other modern web tracking shits
You can still be tracked through HTTP requests and CSS queries, and you will stand out more for using a fringe browser. There's also no efficient method to block malicious CSS and images with text browsers since there are no extensions; you either have to allow a whole class of requests for all sites or you don't. Not only are you sacrificing too much by committing to a text browser, it's not even worth it privacy-wise. Texts browsers would only be OK in a sane web, which isn't our current reality.
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Wat. You seem to think Links and Lynx even care about CSS, but it's never parsed. It's just extra/useless plain text in the html source. And as far as images go, well those definitely don't get loaded in Lynx, and also not in Links unless you're running with -g on framebuffer tty or Xorg.
So that leaves not much for tracking, except cookies which of course can be disabled entirely, or configured by domain or even at the individual cookie itself.
So basically these browsers load the html source, and render it as text. That's whatever kind of text your OS is configured for. I don't use unicode, so it's just plain ASCII.
You don't understand how simple these browsers are. They don't do all manner of extra "requrests" like all the modern botnet ones. The request is simply: download the html file you point it at, and display it as text. CSS and JS are ignored entirely. Images have placeholder links, in case you want to download them like any other binary file. And that's it, unless you've got cookies enabled.
So this is entirely the opposite of modern botnet browsers where you need plugins and stuff to block things. The old way is nothing extra is downloaded in the first place. So that's much simpler and saner.
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>download the html file you point it at, and display it as text
That's not all a browser does when it visits a site; it also sends an HTTP header with your URI, accepted file types, accepted encoding, accepted language, browser settings, and so on. It may not be as spooky as jabbashtick, but it's still possible to track you with that, especially when you are using a fringe browser.
Replies: >>7825
Yeah I know exactly what it sends. It even shows you if you run with trace enabled. No "browser settings", just very generic and barebones headers. The user agent of course can be customized, or omitted entirely. I'm just showing you the defaults. The other headers can be changed as well. Not like I really care, there's so little information here. It's night and day compared to all the tracking shits in modern browsers. With those they can tell everything like how fast you type, how long you stay on one screen, how fast you scroll, how you move the mouse, even smell when your mouse farts! :3
> lynx -trace -dump https://wiby.me/ > index.txt
GET / HTTP/1.0\r
Host: wiby.me\r
Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/sgml, text/css, application/xhtml+xml, */*;q
Accept-Language: en\r
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.9dev.8 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 GNUTLS/3.4.9\r
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You can get headers easily by running this command in one terminal:
nc -l 8080

Then accessing with the browser.
$ nc -l 8080
GET / HTTP/1.0
Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/sgml, text/css, application/xhtml+xml, */*;q=0.01
Accept-Encoding: gzip
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.9rel.1 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1
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Ah yeah here we go! It's a me, Mario!
arm64$ nc -l localhost 8080 &
[1] 49418
arm64$ ftp -o -
GET / HTTP/1.1
Connection: close
User-Agent: OpenBSD ftp
>there's so little information here
What matters is not how much information there is, but how unique it is. Some of the data included in the header can be browser-specific (ignoring the user-agent, which is worthless). As long as trackers can reliably identify you across sites, it doesn't matter if the data be sparse. Common sense tells us we should blend in with the crowd (e.g. using similar configurations/software) in order to not stand out.
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In that case the only way you'll blend in with the crowd is running latest Windows or Android with the most popular browser. And then you have to go browse all the normie sites and post on facebook twitter google and so on. Because that's what the normies do and you'll stand out if you don't, hehe.
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>you have to run the same OS to blend in
Not really. The OS is not as relevant as the browser in question.
>you have to visit the same sites as normalniggers to blend in
Non sequitur. We are talking about what kind of data your browser reveals when it sends requests to a website, not your browsing history. Your browsing history only matters if it can be pinpointed back to you; it's irrelevant if your fingerprint be generic.
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If I'm not loading the scripts and other tracking shit, then they don't have any cross-site browsing history from me. But they will have all this history if you're using a normie browser that's configured in the normie fashion with javascript, video, webgl, and other crap. See that's the difference. Their tracking infrastructure is based on gathering data that way. If they didn't need to do it that way, then they wouldn't, simple as.
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>they don't have any cross-site browsing history from me
Not my point; re-read my post. All that matters in tracking is uniqueness, as a unique fingerprint yields a hash that remains the same overtime; jabbashtick only widens the attack surface.
>If they didn't need to do it that way, then they wouldn't
You are being small-minded. Just because they can't track you through jabbashtick doesn't mean you can discard the possibility of you being tracked through other means, as it's perfectly feasible to do so. Also, you can not only disable jabbashtick/webrtc/etc entirely, but also filter scripts (including embedded ones) and so on in BBBs (Big Bloated Browsers); so what's even the advantage of using a minimalist browser where only the nuclear option is available and you stand out like a sore thumb anyway? Yes, using BBBs is not ideal, but BBBs are nothing but a reflection of a bloated web (even without jabbashtick et al); you have sites out there that waste 30mb of bandwidth when they don't have to. If you truly can't tolerate using BBBs, you should just ditch the web altogether for something like Gemini; it won't change until the web itself changes.
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Yeah I'm sure you can come up with many convoluted scenarios that aren't the simplest possible explanation. But either way I don't have to do anything you say, nigga. I'll keep using Lynx and Links like I am now, because that's what I like using. :3
>browsers like TBB are built around the idea of strength in numbers
Before Tor Browser there was Tor Button, a Firefox extension that toggled Tor on and off for you. The problem was, there are fingerprints that a browser extension can't hide. So switching between Tor and bare IP, a website or CDN or ad network can link the two together and deanonymize all your Tor activities.

Something to think about for people who think they are being clever by using Tor with an alternative browser.

>I'm not using Tor.
Your IP address is the biggest fingerprint there is, dummy.
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The TOR browser is just a configured Firefox with extensions; it makes unsolicited requests as well. Might as well just use hardened Firefox with TOR added to it since TBB disavows configuration. It can't go wrong if you set it up correctly.
>IP address is the biggest fingerprint there
Not really. With the amount of normalniggers using VPNs these days, IP addresses, like useragents, are low-hanging fruit. Advertisers can still identify and track you even if you conceal your IP address.
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Oh yeah, I forgot mentioning TBB auto-updates, which is a non-starter for anyone who takes privacy and software freedom seriously.
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>The TOR browser is just a configured Firefox with extensions
Not quite, TBB is a fork of Firefox, there's many more changes under the hood than what a user.js (like Arkenfox) or extensions can do for instance. Some features developed for TBB have been ported back upstream (such as in privacy.resistFingerprinting) but TBB is still more secure than hardened Firefox (which does remain useful for when you need to use your regular internet connection of course).
>Oh yeah, I forgot mentioning TBB auto-updates
You can turn those off like in regular Firefox, they publish detailed changelogs for each release as well.
Wrong. https://support.torproject.org/about/why-is-it-called-tor/

>The TOR browser is just a configured Firefox with extensions;
Wrong. It is a set of patches modifying the firefox code itself.

>Might as well just use hardened Firefox with TOR added to it since TBB disavows configuration.
Learn to read. Then read >>7847 again to understand why you might as well not do that.
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So I've been looking at means to keep software isolated from my system for privacy reasons. I'm posting here because

1. Not short-enough for QTDDTOT
2. I'm not sure if it'll be extensive enough for it's own thread.

So anyways, here's something I've been thinking about in regards to software isolation, and I've been thinking of use cases for each need. Mainly focused around Containers, Jails, and VMs.
(These use cases assume your threat model is "random asshole skiddie/hacker" or "unscrupulous corporate spying")

'Use case - Isolating linux software that requires specific annoying things to work perfectly.'

From what I've seen, this looks best for a linux-to-linux setup where you need a specific setup or program to work with an enviroment that uses that specific setup. I can see this use case for software that needs either Gnome-suite libraries, SystemD, Wine, or whatnot when your host OS just simply doesn't need that bullshit to be on all the time, or you simply don't want it to be on the host side.

I've only used docker fleetingly, so what I do know is that bloat can get out of hand really fast if you're just downloading images with no thought or care to what you're doing.
Another thing I'm not so sure about, is that containers do share the host's OS. I don't know how secure containers really are. And I also feel that most container setups will still suffer from shortcomings that the host has.

My other concern is the cases of intruders from escaping the container and making their way to the host.

'Use case - Isolate programs that compromise a system while active'

The KISS solution. Stuff the program in it's own isolated root that keeps prying eyes away from things it's not allowed to see. I see the use case of jails being for things like browsers, where there is an avenue of compromise, but it's (relatively) simple-enough to where it just needs to be isolated every time it's run. The things I don't know of when it comes to Jails, however. is the following questions:

-- How effective is a jail at keeping active intruders from compromising your system?
-- How effective is a jail at keeping software that is run by a daemon from compromising your system?
-- How effective is a jail at minimizing the damage that an intruder causes in case the jail is circumvented?

As more and more bullshit gets pushed into browsers thanks to the absolute shitfest of silicon valley's management style (aka Microsoft's Management style, because less-successful corpos will typically simp for those richer than them.), less and less devs know what the fuck they're actually using, and what it's doing to people's systems. Can a jail be effective at stonewalling potential-API-malware making calls independent of the program itself?

Virtual Machines
'Use case - Isolate programs that are just completely-fucking-awful'

The tried and true, the big guy (4U). VMs, magical things, very occult things. Very useful, but very tricky and expensive on resources if you need to set things up like that. VMs are nice for software-compatibility because it installs everything you'll need to run software that particular things need, particularly vidya, or proprietary crap software that your mom or work needs to run. Windows software in particular is decent for running a VM on.

Of course, resource-use the second biggest downside. The first biggest downside is potentially running into problems so ridiculous and obscure that absolutely nobody in any forum can figure out just what the fuck is wrong with your setup.

But really, what often kills the use of VMs, particularly those who have very-finite resources, is the time and inconvenience of starting the software up. That's a pain in the ass that can only be solved by opening your pocketbook. Easier said than done of course.

So now what?

What are some other use cases for keeping the prying eyes of malicious software isolated?
Great post. Not sure I understand your question though. I can augment your post a bit, however.

Containers uses minimal host's OS. They share a kernel, but the rest should be as isolated as possible. Most, if not all, shortcomings containers suffer came from the kernel version.

These days jails are more or less the same as containers. They use kernel namespacing to do the same thing. The difference is jailed programs use more of the host's OS, since the fs namespace starts from root for most container environments but not for jails.
The risk level for jails and docker are therefore similar, excluding implementation bugs.

Usability and interops between host and target can be an issue. Sharing data between hosts and guests is slow and sometimes difficult. Most solutions involve networking or ignoring permissions. One example is running Make on a VBox share folder, all files are 777 and takes a bit of time to be updated.
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>From what I've seen, this looks best for a linux-to-linux setup where you need a specific setup or program to work with an enviroment that uses that specific setup.
Not at all. Getting something complex to work in a container is a nightmare because some resources are shared with the host and some are separate and programs that assume they have exclusive access to things fight each other in a confusing mess.

>I can see this use case for software that needs SystemD
I'm going to polity suggest you never actually tried that kiddo.

Are just what FreeBSD calls containers. (Or containers are what Linux calls jails). Before both of them Solaris had zones. It's all the same concept.

>Virtual Machines
This is your best shot of making something complex work without fucking up your host. Not containers. VMs are not a security panacea though, a badly implemented hypervisor will let the untrusted code you are trying to sandbox jump straight to ring-1.

>So now what?
There is also mandatory access controls like apparmor and selinux which let you write policies for what untrusted programs can and can't do, enforced by the kernel.
Hey, /tech/, can you look at my prospective build?
>Linux Mint/Maybe Fedora
>Video Editing/Animation, Gaming(Minecraft, some open source games)
>Baltic States

The first monitor down there is the one i am currently using. The new one is the planned one.
Also, is Nvidia better for video editing/rendering? And which AMD or Intel GPUs are worth a damn?
Finally, i am a bit concerned about the front I/O USB ports.
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Yeah my IP shows up in web logs, gopher logs, etc., but it was always that way. I'm not interested in Tor and the humoungous piece of shit code TBB. That's kind of going in the opposite direction of where I want to be. I want to scale down, not up.

I just use a separate ARM board to run things that need to be contained. That way there's no guessing, I know it's isolated for sure and can't break out. And it's just running OpenBSD, there's nothing special to manage, nothing complicated.
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this! and be sure to use the highest security level.

you may want to try Qubes OS. give it a try and see it it does everything you want (but i think it's too complicated to use). but i think that just using VirtualBox or Qemu is easiest solution. also, is Docker actually secure?

>They use kernel namespacing to do the same thing. 
that reminds me, has anyone read FreeBSD Mastery: Jails by Michael W Lucas?

also, i heard that Linux namespaces aren't secure, which is why Debian disables (or used to disable them?) by default. but bubblewrap can be used with suid instead...
>inb4 "i heard that you are idiot. any truth to that??"

post your budget as well.

>Maybe Fedora
don't. Linux Mint is much more comfy if you are new to Linux and Gentoo / Void / Arch is much better if you are more experienced user.
t. used Fedora for a while

>Also, is Nvidia better for video editing/rendering?
cuda is the only thing where Nvidia has an edge but if your software doesn't utilize it, there is little difference. and i think having a lot VRAM (8GB or more) is better and more important than cuda. also, Nvidia is pain because you are forced to use their proprietary drivers. i had issues with Nvidia on Ubuntu but that was 10 years ago. i'm pretty sure that the situation has improved but i also think that the choice of the distro also matters. i heard that 1 YouTuber (Bisqwit, who uses Debian testing) and some random guy from ArchLinux irc channel had no trouble with their Nvidia GPUs. but i would get Fractal Design focus G case and some regular ATX (and not mATX) motherboard. i think having more space is good.

>Intel GPUs are worth a damn?
none of them, unless you are fine with CPU's integrated graphics (they are good enough for old games and browsing the web).
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>Yeah my IP shows up in web logs, gopher logs, etc., but it was always that way.
Everything else you do to be "private" is pointless if you're using a unique IP address.

>I just use a separate ARM board to run things that need to be contained.
Things that run on an arm sbc and bsd are probably not massive attack surfaces anyway.

>i heard that Linux namespaces aren't secure, which is why Debian disables (or used to disable them?) 
The controversial one is the user namespace which lets non-root users pretend they are root inside the container. That has had so many security vulnerabilities that some people gave up on it. You can still use containers without it, you just have to accept that root is root even inside a container.
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>unique IP address
Isn't every IP address by definition unique? Whom is the server meant to send a response to if there be multiple clients sharing the same address?
Replies: >>7883
That's why there are ports. NATed clients send http requests from port A which is natted is port B for server's  port (eg 80). tcp(7) identifies connections by both the remote address and port. This is how the same ip can have different clients browsing the same website, the browser itself also use different ports for each tab, so you can browse the same site.
>post your budget
1000 eur
>get Fractal Design focus G case and some regular ATX (and not mATX) motherboard
I have a situation, where there are two homes, and i wanted a fairly portable case that i could bring to either house as needed. Should i just buy a laptop instead?
>Intel GPUs are worth a damn?
>none of them
What about ARC?
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There's a ton of software that runs on OpenBSD ARM. Basically almost everything on openports.se works, except a few emulators that rely on x86 assembly code.
Mostly I use the board as a containment  for the big fat bloated modern web browsers, so I don't have to run those nasty things on my Linux computer. My ARM board isn't very fast but I don't care, because I'm not browsing the web all day like this. It's just so I can login to my bank and few other places, and buy things online to keep my account balance low, hehe.
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>is Nvidia better for video editing/rendering?
If screen capture is important to you then Nvidia might cause issues, YMMV but I couldn't get mine to record without some screen tearing no matter what (some others have had this issue too e.g unfa on Youtube). Ever since I switched to AMD that hasn't been a problem and the FOSS drivers "just werk" in my experience.
Those are duct tape ways of doing what OpenBSD's pledge() and unveil() do right. Linux' seccomp and landlock also do the same task better. Then you have FreeBSD's capsicum which is much more limited but still useful, and OS X's sandbox_init() which is very limited and only minimally useful. I name all of these because you should look into them and compare them to containers and jails and see the pattern.

What you really want to do is communicate to the OS "my program only does these things, if it does any more, it's malfunctioning" and have the OS enforce it. Containers don't do this, they try to build the best prison they can around the program, but there is no enforcement. 

Containers are blacklists, pledge() (and other vaguely similar frameworks) are whitelists. Blacklists work really badly here, you have to get a list of all the features the OS has and figure out how to block them one by one: chroot for the filesystem, a firewall for the network, namespaces for processes, and the list goes on. It's a lot of learning and you will forget something. The blacklist approach also gets more complicated as you try more fine-grained blocking: OpenBSD's NTP daemon splits itself into 3 processes, each with their own set of privileges. Imagine the nightmare of doing this with containers. Then there is a detail that is not an inherent property of the whitelist approach, but the frameworks that use it also have it and the ones that don't use it don't have this property: pledge(), seccomp(), cap_enter(), etc, are all C functions. A common pattern in OpenBSD is that the program calls pledge() with a relatively broad set of privileges before it even parses its arguments, then it does all the one-time set up it needs, calls pledge() again with a narrower set of capabilities, then begins doing its task. You don't get this if limiting capabilities is something that is done outside the program-you can't start with a loose container and wait for the program to set up, then remove more capabilities-you can only give the program everything it'll ever use.

What you should do is add capability limitations to programs you use. If enough anon programmers make sure that their original programs make use of these features, and also introduce it to programs they contribute to, we can make a difference.
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>you may want to try Qubes OS. give it a try and >see it it does everything you want (but i think >it's too complicated to use).

Who's behind the team that creates Qubes btw, and who is it supposed to protect against geopolitically? It seems like a Polish project, based in Poland. Confusingly, Snowden appears to endorse it.

If it is what it says it is it's the best option, it's not too complicated.
t. linux and command line brainlet willing to fuck around with distros for hours.
Replies: >>7899
>There's a ton of software that runs on OpenBSD ARM
And is that the stuff which is so badly written you want to sandbox it.

>Mostly I use the board as a containment  for the big fat bloated modern web browsers,
If you say so.

>Those are duct tape ways of doing what OpenBSD's pledge() and unveil() do right. 
Capability frameworks and mandatory access controls are not the same thing. Capabilities like pledge and capsicum require the code itself to be modified to use the framework and restrict itself. The whole point of MAC is that you the user decide what the program can and can't do from the outside.

>A common pattern in OpenBSD is that the program calls pledge() with a relatively broad set of privileges before it even parses its arguments
The openbsd threat model is that the openbsd devs are 100% trusted and you just suck whatever dicks they put in front of you.

>Who's behind the team that creates Qubes btw, and who is it supposed to protect against geopolitically?
Invisible Things Labs the leader is a tranny, if that matters to you. They are basically consultants, (create open source tool then charge money for professional support). I don't know if anyone serious uses their stuff or funds them.
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Yeah, I bought the ARM board specifically to have a dedicated hardware for running the modern browser (in the few cases when I need to). The CPU does in order execution (immune to Meltdown/Spectre class bugs), so there's less attack surface as a bonus. I don't use the GPU either, since there's no driver (heh) and I don't actually care so long as the browser works for my purposes.
Otherwise that board pretty much just sits idle at 0.1 W or something, because I have no other use for it.
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Yay or Nay?
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>Intel GPUs are worth a damn?
>What about ARC?
Those suck imo. I would stick with the integrated graphics (but not for your use-case) or buy AMD gpu or even Nvidia gpu (but Nvidia may cause you more trouble).

>Yay or Nay?
Nay: read https://flatkill.org + https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future + discussion in this thread >>4739 
But it's good for distributing proprietary packages.
>modern browser
Seems like that would be unusably slow but ok.
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Iridium/Chromium works well enough for me to get my stuff done. Firefox is a hopeless case, so I don't even bother with it. I guess it would probably run ok on newer ARM hardware like RK3399, but those are speculative and I don't need them for my few occasional tasks.
wow nice this somewhat reminds me of the now defunct fch-bet FRchan logo with interactive pixels

seen this before on 4chan but i forgot what it was called (i think its related to snowcrash and 4chan-hta on /g/ archives)
nvm it was called "cornellia" man i kinda wish i was earlier as i can no longer find lostboy.exe in desuarchive dammit

stupid request but is it ok if you kindly remove or atleast hide that one ((( libbie ))) banner this isnt 4cuck and i dont want baity images here
Replies: >>7937
libbie is not bait. It was a submission to the libreoffice moscot competition. They shut it down as libbie was one of the top picks and they don't want it.
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>It was a submission to the libreoffice moscot competition
It wasn't. It was a false flag troll by the four channel hacker.
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Yes it is nigger. Despite how TDF tried to spin it, it was and still is the top pick.
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MIT niggers and W3C
> MIT partly hosts W3C, but withdraws Dec 31
> A W3C nonprofit needs to take over on Jan 1
> MIT has assets (dues, contracts, IP…) to transfer to new W3C
GNU Guix 1.4.0 released
Has anyone used Guix (either the distro or the package manager)? Is it good?
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>Speaking at a conference this week, Linux creator Linus Torvalds threatened to include Rust in the Linux Kernel if developers “don’t shape up real quick now.”

>The Rust programming language was originally created in 2010 as a way to punish software developers who, according to the language’s creator Graydon Hoare, “really had it coming.” Since then, millions of developers have been disciplined using Rust — with companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and Facebook routinely flogging their programmers with Rust as a means to keep them in line.

>“I really didn’t want to have to do this,” stated Torvalds. “But you all screw around too much. Nothing seems to get through to you. Maybe a little time with Rust will teach you a lesson.”

>“At least it isn’t Perl,” stated one kernel developer. “My last manager disciplined us with Perl and RegEx. I mean, don’t get me wrong, we probably had it coming… but that was brutal.”

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>1st pic
Lol wft am I looking at here?
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for more information please contact 50-37-3
"Hi folks, we're releasing chatGPT into the wild. Ignore the timing, and the fact that we said this shit was too dangerous to release a couple years ago. We're just a small team of patsies, probably a nonprofit or something, making adjustments to the code on the fly so that you can't make it say nigger."

Who are the real actors and entities controlling the release of this tech in the west?
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Is that a joke? This is madness.
((( Who ))) indeed. I am sure the military and black sites are full of shit like this. One question on mass depopulation of average IQ people is why they would cleanse themselves of their useful idiots.
The answer is they are no longer needed on a planet they can monopolize on their own. ChatGPT is a starting point of mass replacement of every kind of job and talent. It is a proof that they don't need us. Wait till it can produce fabricators and program them to make robots that make everything else. There is no need for anyone else anymore except for entertainment.
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U wot m8? OpenBSD is a pretty smokin platform in my experience.
>The openbsd threat model is that the openbsd devs are 100% trusted and you just suck whatever dicks they put in front of you.
Lol, found the butthurt nigger. Where did the bad BSD man touch you?

The simple fact is they are a more resilient platform in general. I'd certainly trust spiky-fish man as benevolent dictator than most anyone else tbh.
>I am sure the military and black sites are full of shit like this.
That's too easy. The recent pattern is to contract out abilities like this to front contractors who can take the heat, like SBF. Who are the specific actors and entities behind the release of this tech in the west? It's probably just an innocent autistic team somewhere that happened to get funding somehow.
> ChatGPT is a starting point of mass replacement of every kind of job and talent.
I agree. What kind of moves are the smartest governments wordwide making based on this tech?
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Killing off the rest. Although the jab did most of the job, it is not happening fast enough, perhaps the jab only stops procreation.
MAID in Canada is one of the follow-up actions. They are using it to kill off useless eaters. There are reports that people getting MAID for poverty and the lack of access to healthcare (which the people administering MAID have control of).
This article was hilarious, kek.
>Try to use ChatGPT
>Please provide your phone number
Absolute hot garbage.
ChatGPT is indeed pozz af, doing just as it's ((( masters ))) tell it to. But I understand that you can run the thing on your own high-end gaming h/w.
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>But I understand that you can run the thing on your own high-end gaming h/w.
I have to look into that, niceu! Hopefully my computer can handle it.
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>container security
Yes they are not inherently secure compared to other softwre. Can lead to a false sense of security by people who only have superficial knowledge, yet associate them with being secure. There are ways you can lock them down but it requires specialized knowledge, the kind that is in demand in the devops world and would generally overlap with a decent salary. There are a number of books are container security that should get you in the right direction but it's a lot to absorb.

Check ouut the free book Building Virtual Machine Labs. Lots of security concerns here around networking if you have it connected to a network.

Seems to me like the most foolproof foundation to keep software isolated is to run it on dedicated hardware, airgapped. Or to really, really know your shit about VMs, networking, and containers.
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>"With strict ethical standards..."
>"Niggers can still rob you blind, don't worry!111 Our software only targets White Males as potential shoplifters."

Thanks for the book tip, Anon.
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Merry Christmas /tech/
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Oh please Santa, a cool oldskool computer!
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merry christmas
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>your post h-had z-zero value
typical wh*te person argument
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oh hey libbietard so i heard you want to play a bit of OSINT today? well picrel this is your christmas gift hint i brought my legion bag with me with the cebu pacific sticker everywhere i go (laptop is sleeping at home though if that helps)
You and the other furfeds have full access to =tech/ companies and the police logging system right? will my country bend to the corruption of stem furries and hand the data? is this place occupied by furfags? good luck and lets find out this shoild be easy right? PROVE IT furfag are you smarter than us flip gamers? go ahead i wont back out like a coward

PS: hurry up we'll be leaving on 31 in the morning if you want to know me IRL
i bet you cant even track down my tickets unless i accidentally show it here
ill reply to everyone when we get home im running out of time
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That's Singapore. The first two pictures are from the Changi airport. The advertisement with the bugman holding the iPhone is by Terminal 1.  The photo on the top left was taken near 1 Selegie Rd  with the camera direction facing northeast.  The one on the bottom left with the billboard is from Bay East Garden  in Downtown Singapore.

There is nothing I can tell about you from these images beside you are either underage b& or your were dropped as a baby. Since you use Opera as your browser it's probably the latter.
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>>8078 yup correct confirmed STEM furry i bet youre from romaina as well
>He know Changi Jewel
is this place P&zzed? because i just saw a fashion company with rainbows displayed in the underground SG plaza mall i swear  i was this close into posting the webcam test image but im glad i didnt
But how in the actual fuck did you find this? I screenshoted it to deliberately hide the metadata and i didnt even include any symbols. Shiiet i hope my hotel does not get an unexpected surprise tomorrow morning
You actually live in this country? how long did it take you to get used here? where are you touring tomorrow? (we got a free day before next flight) i bet you also seen the fur bait bunny coke new year advertisement near the bus stop banner/escalator and the suspicious kwirk sign which reminds me of an old disney show
>opera is shit you underage B& loid-iot
I know and i tolerate it (its pretty good for scouting heavy webpages akin to the phone web preview feature) to prevent edge from crashing but 4cuck ghost posts when i use it as if i were shadowbanned
Also thats my default WinPE browser you turbo fag (judging by the resolution) chrome portable keeps crashing with missing_data even with --disable-gpu on CMD and Firefox nearly ruined my remote session due the really shitty engine

As you can tell the toptom is fully off as i do not have the time to setup my linux beforehand and had to resort to the good o'l pink top but still i have no idea what to do with exactly 16gb ram
inb4 i get randomly swatted by SPF even doe i didnt do anything because one of your agents deep faked the CCTV footage to get us in trouble
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Factor looks pretty cool programming language. It's basically extended version of Forth (t. I have used neither)
The GUI programming tools are clearly inspired by Smalltalk.
>https://factorcode.org & https://github.com/factor/factor/
<https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=f_0QlhYlS8g (old)
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C is the best language because it is the simplest.
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>pozilla firecucks requires (You) to export a CC+CXX environment variable pointing to its special snowflake ((( Rust )))-infused clang fork in order to build successfully
An acquisition by SystemD would be mercy at this point.
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C is the best language...
...unless you want to do something simple because then performance doesn't matter and you might as well use python
...and unless you want to make something complicated because then the simplicity will make things clumsy and annoying

Basically it's only the best if you're making a simple library or think that doing some leetcode exercises makes you an ebin pro hacker.

t. C programmer
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>and you might as well use python
Python sucks. If the task is really that simple, you can do it much faster with Tcl.
Tcl and Lua are the best general purpose scripting languages ever made. They actually have design and allow and encourage you to program in non-standard ways.
Lisp is gay shit. I'd rather read and write C than Lisp.
> interpreted language

Euthanize urself.

But python doesn't have pointers. Theres valid concepts that just don't fly in python.

Like with C you understand what a von neuman machine is then you totally understand C. Python you actually have to know a lot of keywords and syntax.
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>use piped as my go-to Jewtube frontend because I'm a lazy nigger unsatisfied with Invidious only playing format 22
>any piped backend works flawlessly with yt-dlp
>The reference instance piped.kavin.rocks is partially shoah'd by a copykike, piped.video is set up as a fallback with kavin.rocks serving as its backend, at least if noscript and uMatrix are any indication
>yt-dlp still works fine after that change though it sometimes falls back to the generic information extractor when using another instance
>update yt-dlp from some June release to the latest one from the 11th of November 2022
>piped.video and other instances ((( mysteriously ))) stop working
>except when using the old piped.kavin.rocks URL, which works as it did previously
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>update yt-dlp
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Locate the previous version here and download it: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases
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Doesn't yt-dlp detect invidious/piped, and just download the video directly from jewtube?
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Yes it does, even the original youtube-dl did it too.
You should check the preferences for Invidious at some point because the solution to your first point is there.
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Then anon should just paste the youtube url or just the video id to yt-dlp instead of messing with invidious/piped instances, it will download it from the same place anyway, but it will be faster and more reliable as it doesn't have to connect to and detect yt frontends.
> > interpreted language
>Euthanize urself.
Lel, you just don't know that you can compile Lisp code (just take a look at SBCL, ECL, Chicken Scheme and others). Actually, you can write a C interpreter if you want to. Similarly, you can write a compiler for any programming language.
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>its special snowflake (((  Rust  )))-infused clang fork
It's hardly the only software which does that. The Linux kernel, for instance, requires a specially modified GCC using idiomatic "C" that deviates from ANSI C, or special modifications to actually compliant compilers specifically to emulate that toolchain.

>If it ain't broke don't fix it
Countermeasure abstraction layers such as yt-dlp & piped are in a constant arms race against malicious devs of the sites they target, require a rival devteam that's constantly at the ready to be useful, and can go through working/broken/fixed states multiple times in as little as a day.

They're not the kind of software you can use older versions of, thus original HookTube or youtube-dl breaking almost immediately when development halted.

This is also the reason software with normally slower release cycles that include statically linked scraper libs like VLC are inherently useless and stupid
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hooktube only stopped working when the dev got a c&d from jewgle, then he replaced direct video links with official jootube iframe embeds
Nice theoretical wankery bro.
So where's that javascript compiler that produces machine code as good as a C compiler's?

And that just shows how low the standard of programming is, C has severe flaws that have been around for decades and that the standard committee only worsens. And no, I'm not talking about the stuff soyim who don't know programming or C usually complain about, I'm talking about still not having a good string copy function in the standard of a 50 year old language.
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Didn't OpenBSD fix that (strlcpy)? But OK standard C sucks. Just make your own C. xD
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>Didn't OpenBSD fix that (strlcpy)?
Can Anon find anything wrong with this code?
language: c
char *copy; // this will point at our copy of the string
size_t length; // this will hold the length of the string

// Copy to a fast block of memory on the stack:
char stack_buffer[128];
length = strlcpy(stack_buffer, source, sizeof(stack_buffer));

if (length < sizeof(stack_buffer)) {
  // it fit, use the stack buffer
  copy = stack_buffer;
} else {
  // it was truncated, use a slower buffer on the heap: 
  copy = malloc(length+1);
  if (copy != NULL)
    memcpy(copy, source, length+1);

// Now use the copy of the string. The length is often useful, too:
use(copy, length);

// free the buffer if we allocated it:
if (copy != stack_buffer) free(copy);
Seems OK to me, but I'm a relative amateur tbh.
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>Just make your own C.
Pretty much. Actually trying to write Standard C, specially C89, is the mark of a beginner. Avoiding the pitfalls of the standard in clean, neat, efficient, robust code while avoiding unnecessary extensions is part of the measure of a C programmer's skill. A C programmer needs the good judgement to use strlcpy() instead of kludging strncpy() for the 1000th time, and a C programmer also needs the good judgement to not use GCC's overflow check builtins because you can do the same thing they do and produce the same machine code with less lines of C by writing the standard version.

Also, signals are pretty much impossible to handle in a C99+pthreads environment. You can't test-and-set. Then you move to C11 and you get C11 atomics which let you do this plus hundreds of standards pages of shitty language features you have to ban from your project, like C11 threads which are by and large a rip-off of pthreads that is unusable in the real world, the only good feature from C11 threads being _Thread_local.

You need an extension to write libraries neatly (static means you can't split your source into multiple flies), you need another extension to copy strings neatly, you need another extension to get a line because fgets() is impossible to use correctly, you need to close your eyes and pretend the multiple paradigms the standard provides for manipulating extended character sets (which isn't even what you want, you want utf-8) are all horrible, and so much more.

Seriously, soyim simultaneously complain about useful behavior like casts; they complain about unsigned integers wrapping around and simultaneously complain about signed integers overflowing (which they suggest should wrap around which isn't useful). They complain about reading the 10th element of an array with 3 elements being a bug and suggest using a "memory-safe" language where that's still a bug. But they never complain about C's real issues, and there's plenty to complain about. C should be replaced, not by a nulang, but by a language that improves on C.

General piece of advice: don't bother trying to switch between auto/static storage duration and alloc storage duration, Either a piece of code always uses use auto or static, or it always uses alloc instead.
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I can only agree. I'm somewhat of a C/++ novice though. What libraries do you recommend?
>to not use GCC's overflow check builtins
In another thread I saw an example of a manual version that just gets optimized out.
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>manual version that just gets optimized out
There's probably a bug in it.

Also, I just wrote a bunch of overflow checks, and only the unsigned multiplication one actually generates the perfect machine code (multiply, then check the overflow flag).
It seems GCC and Clang these days try very hard not to use the flags register, probably to maximize instruction parallelism.
>Can Anon find anything wrong with this code?
malloc's return value is not checked.
Also you should #define STACK_BUFFER_CAPACITY 128 and use that throughout your program instead of juggling 128 and sizeof.

>Actually trying to write Standard C, specially C89, is the mark of a beginner.
Not all compilers (fully) support C99 and beyond. Sure it takes experience to avoid hazardous functions in the standard library but one can easily write alternatives in C89 (see strlcpy, bounded arrays, the various string libraries...etc).
>static means you can't split your source into multiple flies
Yes you can.
language: c
#include "lib_part_1.c" /* completely valid */
#include "lib_part_2.c"
#include "lib_part_3.c"
/* ... */
>C should be replaced, not by a nulang, but by a language that improves on C.
Unlikely. That being said, I think C is usable as-is if you make use of the plethora of libraries available that work around its shortcomings.

>What libraries do you recommend?
Seconding this.
>Nice theoretical wankery bro.
Imagine being this retarded, Cnile. Read the post again. You can download a free/libre common lisp compiler and use it right now: 
https://www.sbcl.org (the de facto/most used common lisp implementation)

>inb4 muh lisp bad
Don't like Lisp? Use LuaJIT!
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Look mate. I like Lua but you are retarded and wrong.
LISP is garbage and scripting languages can't compete in performance with compiled languages with expressive optimised code.
Scripting languages don't offer the expressiveness to begin with which makes them so easy for writing simple tasks in.
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>but you are retarded and wrong.
Why? That's not an argument.

>LISP is garbage

>scripting languages can't compete in performance with compiled languages
LuaJIT is very fast (check out the benchmarks) and SBCL is probably fast enough (but not quite as fast as C or C++).

>Scripting languages don't offer the expressiveness to begin with which makes them so easy for writing simple tasks in.
But it's literally the opposite. High-level languages are more expressive than low-level languages because 1 line of code will do more than 1 line of some low-level language. For example, compare for loop and for-each loop. What you mean is that you want a language that gives you control over low-level details.
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i heard lisp is a thing gays have so if you have the lisp you are gay and i dont listen to gays
C is the ideal programming language for midwits
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What do you use?
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R5RS Scheme
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>So where's that javascript compiler that produces machine code as good as a C compiler's? 
Most toolchains literally use the same backend compiler to go from IR to ASM for every language, modern toolchains even use their entire repertoire of JIT/dynarec gimmicks across everything from Basic to Java to C.

<LISP is garbage
Because handholding features like GC are too deeply integrated into the language (and into software written with it) to be switched off, so the best you could possibly end up with is some nice tightly compiled ASM... But with a giant tumor of runtime scuz hanging off it and impeding its execution efficiency throughout every codepath.
>But it's literally the opposite. High-level languages are more expressive than low-level languages
>What you mean is that you want a language that gives you control over low-level details.
Correct, other anon got the terminology backward.
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No bloatware compilers and toolchains allowed in my hobby. Gotta go back to ROM BASIC and machine language.
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But anon, then you won't get that cool Transmeta Crusoe thingy where your software that's too complex to statically profile speeds up as you run it!
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> trans CPU
Oh no, no, no
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TempleOS's reliance on an interactive environment's runtime for cached JIT is really a lot less like a C64 using BASIC, and more like P-System or SmallTalk or Java, but minus the bytecode and GC. So I guess pretty much Forth.
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A Forth is fine too. It was available on  most 80's micros, just not usually in ROM. I guess this ZX81 lookalike was the only one.
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how can i create a good topology of the issues of UNIX so the average midwit can understand it?
-retarded parsing stuff in adhoc formats
-10 languages that do the same thing
-retarded terminal shit
-retarded network crap built
-endless retarded attempts at process isolation
i saw someone try to do this for windows and it just turned out to be a giant sea of quad nested bullet points with green and red text flying all over the page and you cant even tell which points are outdated
there must be a way to do this without becoming a 30 year old balding pederast? (im 24)
why cant day of the seal just arrive and end it already
why would you want to? let the wangblows users wallow in their own pain.
>issues of UNIX
Why would you choose this over a specific OS (e.g. Linux, *BSD)? Nobody uses "UNIX", all the existing OSs are only derived from it and not even fully UNIX/POSIX compliant.
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I would be interested in reading it, if you end up writing it. But as the others have said, you should focus on existing operating systems. I think you should split it across multiple files (perhaps just write it in markdown and export it to HTML and upload it to NeoCities?). I have read the UNIX-haters Handbook (https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf) and the essay Worse is Better (https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html).
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>-retarded parsing stuff in adhoc formats
I think this is close to the main problem, which would more accurately be stated as:
<retarded storing/transmitting/parsing everything as raw text streams
>-retarded network crap built
>-endless retarded attempts at process isolation
Which I think can more accurately be summarized as:
>retarded filesystem abstraction for almost everything

>all the existing OSs are [...] derived from it
That is an excellent reason
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What's the saddest PC you've ever seen? One that you've looked on in the same way you've looked at a rabid dog, knowing the only way to save it would be to just put a bullet through its head?
>bossman at old job had a friend that would visit the shop sometimes
>black, late 40s/early 50s, severe mental issues on a bad day
>example: one day he came in and coworker said "how's it going man", he thought he said "how's it going ma'am" and went apeshit on him, had to escort him out

>sometimes he would come in with his laptop and use our wifi to work, mostly taxes and other government stuff (he'd drift in/out of homelessness, I think he lived in his car)
>saddest laptop i have ever seen in my life
>gateway from 2006-ish, coloring on the palmrest was long rubbed/worn off
>promo stickers on the palmrest (the ones you're supposed to peel off when you buy it) also faded to the point of illegible and forever glued to it
>despite being a Gateway it was running a Win7 install from an Acer prebuilt
>no graphics drivers installed, display is running at 640x480 stretched to widescreen
>no Aero, everything is grey with no compositing
>malware/bloatwared to the max
>HDD screaming like a tortured soul in the depths of Hades
>never heard of maximized windows, he would be working on websites shoved into a window in the corner of the screen
>spent hours on the phone with some poor girl from the DMV saying it's her fault the site wouldn't work in his shitty outdated Chrome version 47
>offered several times to at the very least install graphics/chipset drivers so he could at least work at native resolution
>would talk schizophrenic nonsense until I gave up
I think it's people like him that made me realize most users should be left to rot. Nothing you do is going to pull them out of their sad, pathetic state, only they can do that, so don't even waste your time, unless it's someone close to you that you really care about and may have a chance at getting by, like your grandmother.
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>despite being a Gateway it was running a Win7 install from an Acer prebuilt
>no graphics drivers installed, display is running at 640x480 stretched to widescreen
Damn anon wtf. The worst I've seen is school laptops with the keys+domes missing, kids would just press on the contacts and occasionally cut themselves on the metal bits.
Pretty much the same thing as your example but milder.
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is there anything more deserving of being fired than choosing "battle tested" XMPP to implement chat in a game or blockchain to implement chat? discuss what their punishment should be. should they be deported to africa?
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Iunno, it's better than using something bespoke that reinvents the wheel and walls out standard tools? We need more games you can chat in using IRC
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Only BSD is.
As long as the users don't have to deal with anything more complicated than pressing "ENTER" after typing into a box, the backend cogs and flywheels can be as convoluted and shitty as you want...
Which of course means, how much time and resources does this chat deserve? Is using XMPP sustainable? Is it stable so user messages aren't getting eaten or displayed to only a few/the wrong users? Does it even work at all? Is it secure?
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Brahs, in retrospect, was LISP worth it because it demonstrated an expressive and forgiving environment to prototype or write non-performance-critical code where its abstraction overhead wasn't a practical issue?

Or was it not worth it because the perverse incentive of baking in such a stark tradeoff of developer effort versus user effort inevitably produces an endlessly fattening matroyska doll of abstraction the instant hardware becomes powerful enough to just barely run a single task at usable speed?
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LISP was worth it because it had good design.
FORTRAN is the villain.
>page not found for both links
What the heck man?
You said he's a mental case so all this makes sense, as nonsensical as it all sounds.
The saddest PC I've ever seen in my life was this uber expensive gaming rig that was used as some kid's glorified webrowser and roblox player. But hey, guess that's better than it being used for some mining rig.
Unfortunately that is a bygone era. That picture you posted looks beautiful by the way, what a comfy UI.
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>that is a bygone era
IRC shrank from its peak c. 2003, sure, but the bleeding slowed c. 2015, and from then to now has remained stagnant at ~1/3rd million concurrent users. That's not even counting IRC gateways for closed systems such as Discord, Slack, and Telegram.

Obviously it's not doing as well as the stalwart of "old Internet" protocols, eMail, but it's certainly doing better than most, e.g. USENET or FTP.

And it's not the end of the road for standardized open protocols, stuff like Matrix and Fediverse is still being written, and could be integrated to ingame chat of vidya.
I wonder why Pascal died? As far as I know, (Free)Pascal also has decent performance (but not quite as good as C or C++, though). Is Ada just a "better Pascal" than (Object) Pascal?
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I wouldn't call Ada alive either. I mean, I couldn't tell you a single program written in ada from my head.
It also didn't help that Borland, the only company practically pushing Pascal went downhill in the early 00s (and it's actually no more). Plus I personally hated that shit
So... RISC-V is vaporwave right?
All that fuss and so many years later we still have nothing.
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What makes you think its vaporware? There are plenty of RISC-V SBCs on the market and if I remember correctly some FAGMAN company was planning on using it (As in, they made some significant moves).
Its not really realistic to expect it to be everywhere immediately. Corporations move very slowly internally most of the time and the RISC-V ecosystem isn't really mature enough for anything beyond hobbyist projects.
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>What makes you think its vaporware?
The rest of your post.
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>issues of UNIX
I can think of a few things:
<retarded file formats (e.g. .tar.gz, .so.1.2.3)
<practically no constraints on characters in file names (\*:?<>) yet very poor support for said file names
<retarded root directory structure with cryptic oversimplified names (see previous point)
<case-sensitive file names spare me the autism, I won't read it

>page not found for both links
You have to surround links with spaces, because otherwise brackets are appended to them. Here are the correct links:
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Learn the difference between vaporware and immature products/technologies.
>issue of UNIX is anything not like windows
File extensions are not formats, it is only part of the name.
>very poor support
>root directory
So is AppData, system32. You didn't learn about those and anything that looks different is bad.
>case-sensitive file name
There are many uses, eg all java pajeet will instantly lose their job without it. How can anyone live without case-sensitive file names?
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>File extensions are not formats, it is only part of the name.
I'm talking about both extension and format. The extension is retarded (multiple dot-separated strings instead of one) and the format is retarded (two steps to archive instead of one like ZIP, files nested inside tar nested inside gz).
>>very poor support
Ever tried looping through a folder containing files with spaces in their names? Or passing a file name starting with - to an argument? Or handling a file name containing quotes " or ampersands & at all? Or quoting any file name in a single unified way that all programs understand?
>So is AppData, system32
The average user never deals with system32, but he deals with the aptly named Program Files and (maybe) AppData... Which, on UNIX, are scattered all over /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, /sbin, and the dozen or so library paths that your specific distro uses. All simple paths because spaces are scary!
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>doesnt know how to escape
did you find a liveusb at school or something, kid
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>I wonder why Pascal died?
In its initial years, it gained much most renown as a teaching language, which tainted its reputation among (especially Cnile) language snobs, c.f. Brian Kernighan's (in)famous essay. Following the demise of the p-System as a major target, its most energetic backer was Apple, who as with everything they did in those days proceeded to fumble development of Object Pascal in a spate of indecisive corporate infighting, producing an innovative elegant product that wasn't quite complete until after it had already been replaced by something not quite as good, whereupon it was spun off for a 3rd-party dev to wither away without the support it needed, as Delphi.
>a "better Pascal" than (Object) Pascal?
The anointed successor to Pascal, as Pascal was to Niklaus Wirth's previous project Algol-W, was Modula-I/II/III, now in turn Oberon-1/2.

>There are plenty of RISC-V SBCs on the market
I haven't been following the news for a while, are any of those REAL FIXED-FUNCTION silicon, or are they still just FPGAs?
>some FAGMAN company was planning on using it
I remember they've been using RISC-V for many years as a SIP core in the floorplan of larger chips (e.g.: nVidia GPUs). Are they now planning to use it as a primary CPU, even just for simple embedded microcontrollers?

>multiple dot-separated strings instead of one
Better solution: Stop overloading filenames with irrelevant metadata, and associate an additional separate metadata field with files dedicated to describing filetype, much as with creation/modification dates in most filesystems.
>two steps to archive instead of one
There's ackshually a sort-a-kind-a good reason for this, which is separating archival formats like TAR (have to understand filesystems, headers, footers, etc.) compression formats like GZIP (just compress arbitrary data) and encoding formats like uuEncode (truncate binary for safe transmission over ASCII or whatever). I say sorta because it's eunuchs, so of course it evolved accidentally instead of being intentionally designed that way, so you have dumb shit like TAR applying its obsolete compression that good GZIP compressors have to undo anyway.
>Which, on UNIX, are scattered all over
Threadly reminder the reason eunuchs is like that is almost literally picrel:
>All simple paths because spaces are scary!
Escaping characters in filenames (indeed, in shell commands and scripts) is only necessary because eunuchs manipulates everything including both data and instructions as a totally ambiguous stream of raw text. Even M$ was able to get something CLI stupidity so simple done right with PowerShell's structured datatypes.
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It's probably worth noting that delphi (who the fuck says objecf pascal) was much more common in Europe than us. Like my old job the annoyance was we were forced to hire overseas to support it. Eurogame Age of Wonders was written using it which was pretty notable.

As with all languages its major failing is just it wasn't
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>much more common in Europe than us
IIRC that was true of plain 'ol Pascal itself, too.
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i hate fuckwad software that makes me care about some completely irrelevant implementation detail that it could easily have eschewed me from caring about
for example every IDE now even from Micros*ft and IDEA are just a pile of scripts and give me random "file not found" errors out of context and then i have to learn where it puts the dependencies and what times i can move files there or it will not count them or whatever the fuck and possibly editing some text file each time i add a dependency which it was supposed to be already automatically downloading (because this is a go / rust / haskell / js project and all the deps are already unambigiously defined and the metadata already says where to get them so i shouldnt be fucking manually doing any of that shit)
just fuck off aspies out of my industry
Picked up some semi-recent shitty Pentium laptop on eGay for $30 burgerbux, gonna slap Devuan on it and use it as something portable with good battery life, since my X220 tablet is pretty bulky.
Replies: >>8335
what is that faggot who makes ubuntu? it was shit since the very first day it was made. terrible fucking performance, cannot even show some rectangles and text without the system almost coming to a halt
all the security mechanisms it has can be trivially bypassed
what little shit for brains faggot dipshit brand of soyboy makes this shit?
actually kys if you are reading this.
even when installing it in a VM to run some homosexual software that will only work in ubuntu vX.Y, its insufferable to use just for those 5 minutes
Replies: >>8327
After GNOME 2 days, Ubuntu has been total shit. First they used Unity and then they replaced it with equally bloated and broken DE called GNOME 3. I would use Xubuntu instead because Xfce4 is pretty good DE (also, I heard that there is wayland/wlroots port in the works). Ubuntu MATE is another option.
Replies: >>8329
Ubuntu (possibly also Debian itself) is committing sudoku by replacing APT with Snap to become a horrific Windows/iOS hybrid. I'd recommend jumping ship to Tumbleweed as the next most n00b-friendly distro.
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Right, I forgot about Snap, I highly doubt that Debian switches to it, and the reason why Ubuntu has started to replace .deb packages with Snapshit is the fact that both Ubuntu and Snap are developed by Canonical. Honestly, I really hope that someone makes a CrunchBang clone that uses Debian repos (basically, make alternative installer for Debian). I guess Bunsenlabs is good enough (but I haven't used it) but I still would like to have a similar distro that only uses Debian repos (perhaps there still could be a small repo that only contains the WM config files). CrunchBang++ might work like this, but I have never used that one either.
last time i tried to use snap it didn't even work, you'd click "install" and absolutely nothing would happen.
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shitty laptop came, running Win8.1 of all things. going to use it just to install the latest BIOS then install Devuan
>keeps bitching at me to use a M$ account to sign in
gee i wonder why nobody liked this abortion of an OS
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>gee i wonder why nobody liked this abortion of an OS
Certainly not because of that. W10+ is even more annoying with the MS account bullshit, and normalfags gobbled that shit up like hot cakes.
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I'm pretty sure they toned it down for w10,  and now they're killing it and bringing it back for w11.
win8.1 had all of the bullshit win10 had, except it was an irrdeemable hybrid of a desktop and tablet interface that was horribly designed. it's completely unusable.
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turns out this shitty netbook doesn't even have an SSD. thought the install was going slow because of the shitty celeron, but after logging in and putting my ear up to it i could hear the HDD clicking. and despite having only 400 hours it already has bad sectors.
going to put in an old SSD i have and reinstall, only 250GB but i intend for this to be something portable and lightweight anyways.
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I find it darkly hilarious that zoomers salty over Win 10/11 because "abloo abloo muh buttnet" choose XP of all versions to nostalgize, when XP was the first version version to impose mandatory phone-home-to-M$ online DRM whenever you installed or modified a system.
Replies: >>8343 >>8344
XP was usually the first version of windows they had, as 2000 was made for business/office/enterprises, ME was a brokedick trashfire, and most families didn't see the need for a PC until the early 2000s when it blew up in popularity, and XP came out right as that happened. but at the same time if i see people start to have nostalgia for 7 or God help me 10 I will lose my fucking mind
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Never even knew about it because everyone I knew used pirated XP.
>if i see people start to have nostalgia for 7 or God help me 10
I can imagine that. For instance, there is a nonzero chance that when Metro inevitably rises from its grave again, most normalfags will actually fail to reject it this time. Being immersed in the Macfag community from before the influx of OSuX/iOS newfags, and seeing every trace of personal initiative from other older users evaporate, was a truly soul-destroying experience
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>nostalgia for 7 or God help me 10
Well, after I saw what kind of abomination 11 is, I can imagine people having "nostalgia" for 10. And 7 was the latest version that was still relatively usable. I wasn't a huge fan of XP, I sticked to 98 until I could. (XP also broke shitloads of games, but ppl don't remember it and they only bitch about how w10/11 breaking their old games and how 7 was perfect. You're fucking stupid)
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I think the main appeal of XP was its extinction of DOS for NT in a consoomer-targeted distro even though 2000 did the same thing better, and 7 was simply popular because it was "Vista, but pre-patched".

Contrariwise, objections to 10/11 are entirely centered around the botnet, which is fucking retarded because everything since XP has been botnet.
Replies: >>8349
7 had better 64 bit support and allowed for better hardware (CPU and RAM) than XP due to technical limitations. It also looks good. If you waited a couple years before going from XP to 7 all your programs were pretty much guaranteed to run and there would be no problems. 
With 8, 10, or 11 there's literally no reason to switch besides the arbitrary, systemd-like limitations imposed on some libraries that are used by modern software. On top of that you get a noticeable performance hit when switching from 7 because of how bloated the OS is. The UI is uglier than ever and not even consistent as they didn't bother repainting the scrapped parts from previous windows. Being forced to ditch your OS with no recourse but to turn updates off, specially in a time where it was the most prone to breaking your machine and ruining compatibility (which it is still is, just not as bad), soured the deal even more and gave 10 a lot of its deserved hate. 
As for the botnet argument, I don't see it as "10 has botnet and 7 is perfect" as much as I see it as an escalation of botnet. 7 was still usable as long as you were aware it was a windows machine. 10 literally takes constant screenshots and sends them to microsoft, openly spies on users and the programs they are using (and sends the info to their parent's emails if the user is underaged), is hardcoded to detect a modified hosts file as malware, and will blatantly lie and disregard your settings even on the most premium versions. The "botnet" is so blatant even normalfags are aware (but they're still using because normalfags) which is why the argument is so prominent. It's still an objective downgrade regardless.
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>It also looks good
Bleh, I always just killed composition in any newer Windows I hadn't installed WindowBlinds on. Faster, uses less screen space, less ambiguous design for UI elements.
>7 was still usable
I'm pretty sure every specific example you just gave also applies at least as far back as Vista, but there was one thing new about 10: Mandatory automatic updates. The one thing that actually angered normalfags is their OS rebooting itself, with absolutely no officially allowed option to abort or delay, right in the middle of a meatspace deadline.
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>Bleh, I always just killed composition in any newer Windows
I didn't care about looks too much. But your large sized taskbar with those combined buttons is way more outrageous than anything DWM could throw at you.
>as far back as Vista
Win7 is literally Vista with 1-2 years of fixing bugs, and only some trivial updates/features.
And about win7, I'd stay that was the last OS that was still usable. Win8 came with that metro abomination, they toned that a bit down with win10, but they broke everything with that auto-update shit and even more botnet (I mean, I don't think you had a literal keylogger in windows before that).
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>Win7 is literally Vista
I was referring to your comparison with Win10, e.g.:
>I mean, I don't think you had a literal keylogger in windows before that
Hmm, maybe not. I can't find it in a few minutes' searching, but I have the distinct recollection that (at least Office?) in the '00s large chunks of document data were embedded inside telemetry sent back to MS.
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Get the fuck off my invidious feed luke, you're no fucking better than the asshole who calls himself quote "hated" and the vegan cunts you act like you're against.

Fuck, part of me hopes that he gets into the world's dumbest controversy for not practicing what he preaches, but fuck... I don't actually care, I'm tired of his fucking bullshit preaching mixed with reasonable-sounding arguments. I just want justice.

I would believe that. 99' was when the patriot act started, and that began the precedent of using the internet to spy on randos. Of course, Dubya and his cronies didn't even think that the corpos would go Full-Los-Zetas on the US once they realized that they could make money and power off these spying schemes.

Jesus fuck man, I'm sorry to hear that. I used to be a macfag too until I wanted a system that I could play Vidya and not have it cost literally $10K, that was long before the OSuX/IOS shit

OS9 was best mac OS.
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I'm starting to think that the patriot act and all the snowden crap is just the US government scapegoating for Google, or whatever constitutes our current shadow government.
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New shitty laptop is now set up for the most part, only proprietary packages are those for WiFi and Bluetooth because that's all they need to fuck you, but I'm not going to blow up a federal building so whatever. Runs pretty well, small, lightweight, great battery life, huge speed improvement with the SSD over the dying HDD. Should be very nice when traveling so I don't have to lug my X220T everywhere when I just want to read something.
Privacy is for pussies. Real men only do hacking and fucking bitches all night,  ballin'!! . Bet you virgins dont even use w10.
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Is GNU Guix based and redpilled? How about Nix?
Which of the two is better?
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Oh they're based alright... on fucking bloat.
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Most stuff that comes out of the military industrial complex (which includes google itself) is multipurpose.  So even if that it wasn't necessarily the or even a reason behind snowden or PATRIOT, if the opportunity arises then it will be used as such.  PATRIOT was sitting on the shelf for a long time until PNAC finally got their "new pearl harbor" in the form of 9/11 and BAM! now they had an excuse to pass it.  They sure as hell didn't right that bigass thing overnight.

Was the point of 9/11 simply to pass the PATRIOT act?  No, of course not.  9/11 served a variety of useful purposes, regardless of what anybody wants to believe about whodunnit, how, or why.

A bunch of stuff I've worked on or adjacent to gets billed as being as being for medical purposes to help broken or disabled people live normal lives, detect problems before they get worse, and so-on.  How noble, right?  Sure, but, just for starters, there are deep pockets out there for any little piece that adds to the transhumanist puzzle.
Guix is based... on Nix. But the GNU people didn't make up their own language for it, it just uses Guile for everything, which is good. It is held back in popularity by being GNU, though. Realistically, very few people will ever be willing to use an FSF-approved distribution, even with the Nonguix repository being a thing. The only real downside of being less popular, though, is that the Guix repositories don't have as much software as Nix.

The soyboy software minimalist vs the Gigachad software MAXIMALIST. Quality = power / performance. The problem with most software is that its wastes system resources on nothing, while still being "minimalist" as far as power and features go. You vill eat ze bugz, but I WILL have ALL the power and ALL the features AND great performance, and I will pay nothing and own everything.
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Either that or you'll pay me to make things come in on time and within your budget because I'm an optimization fetishist and I really don't care what it is you're trying to do as long as it's realistic and you're paying my wages.  The trick is you have to give me the leeway and the control I might need to get as close to your now and future goals as I can figure out how.

And that especially means don't make me spend half the week in meetings or unnecessarily long arguments about why I'm right or what trap you're about to step in to if you insist I do exactly what you had in mind.  This includes me not using up my time trying to read some kind of flame war about what the fuck guix is or why I should care unless you give me a at least an elevator pitch.  If I have no idea wtf then it's most likely going to be a maintenance nightmare over the long haul.
Nix is systemdicked.
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I installed the Nix package manager just fine on Void which doesn't use systemd, it's still a bloated mess though.
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Disabling Cuckflare JavaShits cripples Nyaa's search function. However, you can get around it by inserting specific strings after the slash in front of the domain name.
Example: ''  <NYAA DOMAIN NAME>/?f=1&c=2_1&q=clannad  '' searches for English-translated anime matching "clannad", showing no remakes 
0 = No filter
1 = No remakes
2 = Trusted only
0_0 = All categories
1_0 = Anime
1_1 = Anime - AMV
1_2 = Anime - English
1_3 = Anime - Non-English
1_4 = Anime - Raw
2_0 = Audio
2_1 = Audio - Lossless
2_2 = Audio - Lossy
3_0 = Literature
3_1 = Literature - English
3_2 = Literature - Non-English
3_3 = Literature - Raw
4_0 = Live Action
4_1 = Live Action - English
4_2 = Idol/PV
4_3 = Live Action - Non-English
4_4 = Live Action - Raw
5_0 = Pictures
5_1 = Pictures - Graphics
5_2 = Pictures - Photos
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>OpenBSD was formed after one of the NetBSD developers (Theo de Raadt) had an affair with a FreeBSD developer and thus are kicked out.
Turns out, theo himself actually archived this debacle: https://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html

I'd wager this pasta is embellished, but a lot of the events line up.

Did this nigger actually even use Maya? I've been between several different modelling software suites, and Maya was one of the most dogshit programs I've ever used. Like, literally the only thing worse was freecad.
Came across this:
>"Please keep your insane and technically incorrect anti-vax comments to yourself. [...] Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies." --- Linus Torvalds
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So tired of hearing about the latest flavor of the month "AI" (neural network) model and how it's going to replace [x] in just 2 more weeks. Despite the fact large language models like GPT-3 have been deployed everywhere on the Internet to shit it up since 2015 people are acting like this is some new technological marvel or breakthrough when in reality this technology has existed for a long time. Now someone has just slapped a SaaS subscription model and web interface on it.

Stable Diffusion art isn't that impressive and it's the novelty factor that adds any value to the actual output of the model. 

Also what angers me the most is the incessant Soy-fi garbage terms that are tossed around like "AI" which means absolutely nothing. Neural networks have existed since the 1950's what has changed is the AMOUNT OF DATA THERE IS TO TRAIN MODELS ON. 


I am so fucking angry that I have to constantly hear about this stupid shit which will make no difference in the god damn world come 5 years from now outside of shitting up social media and image boards with bots trained on the dataset of reddit. Technology is so unevenly distributed it wouldn't mean fucking jack shit if there even was a general purpose "AI" that could be fed any question and output a problem because normalfags would still have trouble using it.
That's not a big fucking maybe, that's the main reason. You can now train shit on a HW that doesn't cost as much as a luxury car and doesn't take 130 years to finish. Alternatively you can rent an A100 GPU in the cloud for something like $2-3 a hour, and have more computing power than 30 years ago the whole world had combined.
Yes, neural networks are not new, but they're pretty resource intensive, and we're just getting to the point where you can run neural networks at reasonable speed without breaking the bank.
About the amount of available data, yes, that also increased, but if you don't want shit results, quality > quantity, so it's not like you wouldn't be able to source data 10 years ago.
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Total bullshit. The main reason is data. None of these models would exist without extensive datasets that are sourced from petabytes of data scraped from the Internet and social media. The only thing hardware advances change is how long it takes to actually train the models created from that data.
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I don't think anyone would give a shit about ChatGPT or SD if they would need 32 hours to generate a single response. Nobody would train models if you would have to pay the GDP of a smaller country in HW and electricity costs if you wanted it to finish in your lifetime.
One thing you'll learn after enough time is spent running around programming communities is that programming expertise does not indicate general intelligence. There are a few people that fit this bill well:
>Jamie Zawinski
Pro-Covid vaccines, classic SJW.
>Rich Felker
Pro-LGBTFAG+ shit, pro-BLM, pro-communism.
>Linus Torvalds
Pro-Covid vaccines.
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Not saying anything new here, but both the increase in (quality) data and in massive compute h/w is essential to this set of advances you're (rightly) shitting on.

If you want to denounce something, then IMO it's the mindset that so-called 'AI' is actual intelligence. It's a big math model, and it will never achieve conciousness. While philosophically I'm personally convinced that only God can create souls, I will grant that it's at least conceivable that we humans ourselves will finally manage some simulacrum that satifies all the pertinent tests for intelligence.
But simply piling on more & more data, and more & more von Neuman h/w isn't the way to do it.
The human soul isn't just a big meatbag of synapses. It's immaterial, primarily.
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Hello, I'm new here. After not really having a home for a long time and switching between various boards with vastly different themes (from 4cuck/g/ to lainchan to /fascist/ over /r9k/ to /k/ to /v/) I think this board might be what I have been looking for. Nice to meet you anon :)
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>Linus Torvalds
He is the biggest fag of all. He left his comfy swedish speaking community in Finland for the US so his daughter could become a massive sjw whore and almost get him kicked out of his own software lifelong software project.
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you cant top being a vaxtard
hi namefag, welcome to  the suck. I would recommend you stay anon, too.

Here's the thing: Many of these people could just be parroting ((( the message ))) out of fear of losing a job, or being cancelled. Silicon valley, and it's ilk are rife with hypocrites who will cry pedo and then get arrested for willingly-downloading gigs of cheese pizza.

The real question is, how do you figure out if someone is just playing along to keep their job, and who are the ones who have been force-fed the kool-aid?

Speaking of pizza, I got a question. Do you think AI-generated deepfakes would disincentivize pedos, make them worse, or ultimately do little for anything in the long run?
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>parroting out of fear
>playing along
The most dangerous part of the ((( botnet ))) is normal people, the biggest part of it. Knowingly or unknowingly, normal people do what they want. They work so that the jews can earn. They consume so that the jews get paid. They play along to cast out anyone resisting the jew. They do nothing so the jew can continue their plan. They don't have kids so the jew can import niggers. They have kids so the jews can brainwash them from the birth and become the next good goy.
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Normal people are why jews continue to have power, their existence always invite some form of jews.
Can they be used against the jews? Maybe. But afterwards, would you like to share a world with mindless hordes?
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>Many of these people could just be parroting (((  the message  ))) out of fear of losing a job, or being cancelled
Jamie Zawinski is a business owner and was the enforcing vax mandates himself for his own employees and customers. https://www.dnalounge.com/ https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2022/04/19.html
He was one of the last fuckers in San Francisco to stop enforcing the vax entry requirements, and it was only because everyone else had stopped already and it was negatively impacting his business. He's an enormous piece of shit.

Rich Felker is the author of the musl libc implementation and gets donation money to work on it, so I don't know if he still has a job or not. Its a miracle he hasn't trooned out already because all the risk factors are there for him. He moved over to Mastodon because Elon Musk is literally Hitler and all the other trannies he followed moved too.

Torvalds doesn't really need to hold his tongue. He made that post because he legitimately believes the vaccines do good and has fallen for brainwashing.
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I'm not a nomad anymore since I've been accepted anonymous of this board now
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at least now we have a list
lets hope the government doesnt mysteriously erase the vax register because the only way all the  mystery-juice pushers can get out of life sentences is by declaring themselves criminally insane, which they provably are, and  that would mean all the juiced are insane as well, which they provable are, meaning everyone thats juiced should legally become a ward of the state and not be allowed to vote or be without guardianship since they are fucking mentally incompetent and cannot think for themselves, which they provably cannot
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Is it true that listening to white noise will damage my brain? I think I've once read something like that.
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Not defending the poz mentality but a lot of influential people in general have shitty views and opinions, "never meet your heroes" always holds true. I don't occupy my mind with what people think as long as they can write good code and do their job properly... If you limited yourself only to technology made by people you personally find 100% agreeable then you won't find any technology to use.

>Its a miracle he hasn't trooned out already
He has no pronouns on his socials and reading his blog he seems very competent and good at what he does. I think he'll be fine so I'm not worried about musl.
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Oh right, I almost forgot wuflu was a thing. 
Hard to imagine that just ~half a year ago I was almost loosing my mind at everyone in my family getting the jew juice and me getting into heated arguments all the time at them trying to convince me to get the shot. 
It's all forgotten now. They don't say a word about it anymore, propably because there's a new current thing(tm) now.
The juice though is still lingering about in their veins and has propably turned everyone into a genetically modified jew goblins. But I just don't care anymore. 
If anything this whole scamdemic thing did, it has emotionally hardened me, perhaps made me insensitive to the things around me.
listening to white noise is fucking retarded, and will cause brain damage because you're acting retarded.
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I strongly agree with your general sentiment, though I differ regarding the relative importance of
>existed since the 1950's what has changed is the AMOUNT OF DATA THERE IS TO TRAIN MODELS ON
It 100% is just the hardware. Social media botnet datamining is nice, but there's no reason feeding it the entirety of text from LexisNexis, drawings from Corbis, etc. back in the 1970s when archivists first digitized all that stuff from microfiche wouldn't have resulted in something similar, if computers had been powerful enough.

I think this is generally true of all computer "science". The underlying math for pretty much all the latest software was invented before the punchtape era, just waiting for some unimaginable application where it would be of practical use. Genuine algorithmic breakthroughs are pretty much nonexistent compared to other scientific disciplines.

My favorite example is 3D graphics. Everything from parametric surfaces to radiosity were built on math theorized in the early 1900s or prior, and practical implementations like NURBS or path-tracing were written immediately once the most expensive supercomputers of the day could barely run them fast enough to present a SIGGRAPH paper that year.

And as hardware becomes powerful enough to run that math in realtime and/or cheap enough for individuals to do useful things with it on personal devices, each layer of complexity is advertised as "new" and "innovative" even though enthusiasts such as us have been aware of these (until now only theoretical) techniques for decades or centuries.

AI is a bit of a special case for other reasons on top of that, however, because it's particularly prone to exploiting any tiny success to blow wildly out of proportion whenever the public notices senpai. cf. the LISP Machine era, reduction of scope to task-specific "agents" in the AI Winter, etc.

Agreed we'll need to invent new ideas to figure out how the human brain actually works (unlike, for instance, projects such as the Blue Brain Project unironically labeling NN mouse models as "whole cortex simulation" when expert opinions on the number of cells in the brain vary by TRILLIONS), but
>The human soul isn't just a big meatbag of synapses
LOL nobody asked, fag. Debating mind-body dualism is a masturbatory waste of time, because it is not falsifiable.

If I made an AI that was so KEWL & RAD that gawd couldn't help high-fiving it, would it have a soul? Would we know? Who cares.
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I am a fucking retard
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Only if it's transcoded from Sumerian
>figure out how the human brain actually works
This is important. Alternatively, developing an ai doesn't require understanding of the human brain. If the human brain came from evolution and if we accept that what human brain is doing is computation, any Turing machine can perform any computation. There exists a program that computes mind, and such program can be a permutation of instructions.
I have a project on writing a virtual machine for this purpose. But I am such a noob that I keep on rewriting from scratch.
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>Alternatively, developing an ai doesn't require understanding of the human brain
Even if we did build such a thoroughly alien mind, our brains would still be a useful thing to study for other reasons.
>any Turing machine can perform any computation
That may not be true. For instance, analog computers, quantum computers, etc., may be capable of "hypercomputation".

If strong AI is just a software problem, that would be convenient. If it's a hardware problem so fundamental we need to totally replace our entire architecture down to the binary level, that would frustratingly subtle.
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>our brains would still be a useful thing to study for other reasons
Yes. From the human point of view, it is very useful.
But consider if such an alien mind is made with all freedom (as it should have, unlike what fags are doing with chatgpt), it would be able to overpower all of human intelligence combined as its lifespan is far greater than human. The human brain is very narrowly optimized for survival in a span of a century at most. The working of a human mind is limited. After adolescence, the brain degrades, learning and adaptation becomes hard.
An alien mind like has a much stronger reflective thinking ability than us. It is able to rewrite itself, but we can't even understand what we are thinking most of the time, much less rewire our brain.
To the alien mind, human mind may as well be ants mind and has no merit beyond being toys or experimental subjects.
>that would be convenient
I very much hope so. Otherwise, thinking is not recursively defined. Then again, a random number generator may be all that it takes.
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Turing completeness means that it isn't a hardware problem, although current hardware may be too slow to actually run whatever magical algorithms are needed for a strong AI to exist. A Core 2 Duo running at a theoretical 10 Exahertz with enough RAM could simulate the entire human brain which would be close enough to a "strong AI".
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Fuck off, spacenigger
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>But consider if such an alien mind is made with all freedom (as it should have
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>what fags are doing with chatgpt
Is bad because it's being bent to do dumb stuff instead of cool stuff, not because a tool built to serve its creators is serving its creators.

>Turing completeness means that it isn't a hardware problem
What I >implied was that if any forms of "hypercomputation" are possible (still an open question among physicists), the human brain may also rely on hypercomputation, in which case we would need something beyond a Turing machine to equal those capabilities.
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Various interviews with post occupation Taliban.
>In our ministry, there's little work for me to do. Therefore, I spend most of my time on Twitter. We're connected to speedy Wi-Fi and internet. Many mujahedin, including me, are addicted to the internet, especially Twitter
Internet is tearing down any functioning society at warp speed. The taliban have already reached postmodernity in less than a year.
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There's all this talk about AI generated porn and whatnot. 
But think about how these (supposedly) novel porn neural networks might also be used for the opposite purpose. To build ever more efficient porn blockers. So it might mitigate some of the ill effects of computers.

In case any anons here have problems getting easily lured into lowly pursuits of the flesh, this extension has been around for a while now. Last time I tried it, it had problems with small images and it doesn't work with librewolf for some reason, but it's quite impressive nonetheless.
reminder: if you jack off to porn - 2d and otherwise - you are no better than a deranged normalnigger.
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I respectfully disagree.

Normalfags don't support jews because they want to. They do it because the jews either obscure or destroy every visible option that is easiest for the normalfags. The jews want to be the necessary evil, because if someone else makes a better service available to the normalfags. The jews no longer become necessary.

The problem is, the jews are also the most loud, vocal minority among the bunch, so of course they're gonna be screeching like a bunch of spoiled brats with school rulebooks. And of course they take objection to be seen as unnecessary, which is why they cry out in pain when they strike you.

>Internet is tearing down any functioning society at warp speed. The taliban have already reached postmodernity in less than a year.
By "the internet" you mean "modern social media", right? Twitter, facebook, and youtube are not representative of the internet at large. The internet seems so small because search engines are hot garbage filled with spam and clickbait farms. Furthermore, social media websites have been putting more into exploiting -dark patterns- (look that up on a search engine) than actually providing a good service. 

But really. communication platforms where the express purpose is to expose your IRL life to the world are by and far the biggest magnets for narcissistic behavior. Quantify this behavior with either upvotes or likes, and that makes it even doubly-worse.

Have you ever considered that chaining your sexual urges is the exact thing that makes you relapse into porn?
Have you heard of the white bear study where people told 'not to think about a white bear' ended up reporting white bear sightings by twice as much as the people told to think of white bears?
Do you actually want to change your mind?
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>Twitter, facebook, and youtube are not representative of the internet at large.
Sadly, they are:
Billions of people never leave the embrace of the biggest handful of websites, an exclusive club that is shrinking every year, referred overwhelmingly by direct links from social media, never touching a search engine. Facebook in particular is so dominant, that for many users the Facebook "app" on their phone IS their entire Internet, they've never opened an actual browser. Note that Twatter is an exception, as it actually ranks very low in the size of its userbase's overall population, frequency or intensity of activity within that mostly passive userbase, and revenue/profit, in comparison to legitimately major social media sites. Screeching Twatteratti massively inflate the site's size in public consciousness because the composition of its userbase is disproportionately rich in HR/PR flacks, politician/NGO staffers, journos, celebs, and delusional attentionwhores.
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>Have you heard of the white bear study where people told 'not to think about a white bear' ended up reporting white bear sightings by twice as much as the people told to think of white bears?
Yes, I agree that usinng willpower and to forcefully supress desires is bad and that the most effective method is to stop thinking about vice as a "forbidden fruit" in the first place.

I myself have adopted this mindeset quite effectively. But if you spend time on imageboards (or any general social media cancer) you will sooner or later come across alluring pictures on accident which can trigger bad impulses. It is much easier to not have this possibility in the first place.
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I still stand by my stance.

I understand you're extremely pessimistic about the state of affairs when it comes to website popularity. The thing is, comparing the traffic of the internet to the entire infrastructure of the internet is like comparing a city's road and buildings to it's drivers and maintainers.

Buying into this comparison is just playing into the hands of the assholes who are looking to make everything more pigeonholed for their own profit. The problem isn't the traffic, it's the assholes maintaining the road and deliberately building the roads so traffic gets funneled to only a few megamalls and supermarkets instead of the rest of the goddamn city.

I agree the state of affairs with internet traffic sucks, but I disagree that a few bloated websites represent the total sum of the internet- the bad guys want you to think that way because it plays right into their hands.

I get what you mean. I just feel that one should embrace sexuality in healthy matters (romance, love, emotional care), rather than just push denialism. Restriction and encouragement of restriction is a reaction to trauma, but it just makes things worse. I would say you should encourage compassion (love your waifu tenderly) and the like.
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>love your waifu tenderly
How do you get a waifu?
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>comparing the traffic of the internet to the entire infrastructure of the internet is like comparing a city's road and buildings to it's drivers and maintainers
In the case of the modern Internet, it's both. On the backend, a tiny handful of "hyperscale cloud" server farms and peered exchanges dominate the network. On the frontend, the overwhelming majority of human users rarely leave a handful of social media services, and even more rarely discover other sites without those services. The rest of the 'net is reduced to a marginal ghost town of tumbleweeds and recluses.
>I disagree that a few bloated websites represent the total sum of the internet
For normalfags? It is.

If you're saying the situation is salvagable, I agree. I'm even optimistic some kind of a normalfag exodus from social media combined with a rebirth of open protocols is a realistic near-term possibility.

But right now, and over roughly decade? For all intents and purposes, the open Internet is dead, stick a fork in it.
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can you help me with Cock.li invite code, its asking  Enter a valid invite key to continue. here is my mail id - [email protected]
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>almost all persons with that name are niggers
If the big social media websites were just that, "social media website" i would be more than optimistic because "some giant website that attract narcs" is a dream come true but they don't do just that. They hate every website that doesn't run their ad software, they fill the search results with bullshit results and i am pretty sure they are the reason why ddos is soo common. I don't believe ddos is soo bad because random sandniggers and curries spam the internet for fun, i believe they try to kill off the small websites that can't mitigate ddos attacks. It is a battle of "how much resource big websites are willing to waste on making the open internet worse" vs "users patiance to fight off their attacks". I sometimes people were just genuine in hating the big corporations.
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>I can't buy secondhand parts because noone in my sandnigger country care about repairing their shit.
Why can't one nigger just sell a 1440p panel and a x200 keyboard. I can' even import shit because the gibsmedat will tax it at literally 130% rates.
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>sandnigger country
Which country?
Well, all third world countries seem to have that gibsmedat tax. I was talking to a brazilian "internet friend" who had the same problem. It's basically impossible to get decently specced computers at reasonable prices. 
On positive side though, basic living expenses are lengths cheaper than in first world countries. At least for brazil.
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There just aren't enough companies with too much money upgrading their computers every few years and throwing their old premium business machines out for next to nothing.
I used to have a waifu in my peak autism years. I kinda lost that emotional connection to cartoons. 
I wonder if I'll ever find a real waifu (in minecraft ofc.)
I need to find a new escapism from this whorehell around me. Maybe AI waifus will become a thing.
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Have you visited alogs/robowaifu/?
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No, should I?
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Yes, if you are interested in the topic and you have enough "autism".
I've been a raging internet addict lately
I do nothing. I just clickity click on the links
Sadly, Turkey. the worst third world country one could imagine, all the negatives of the first world(we even have trannies!1!1) and thirld world at one package.
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>a turkroach on a turkish finger painting board
Ask someone who's traveling abroad to get you the keyboard, or wait till amazog opens a warehouse in your country.
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>"some giant website that attract narcs" is a dream come true
That has a downside, too. If you don't leave enough of a paper trail yourself, but all of society around you become social media addicted exhibitionists, a sort of inverted profile of you will be impressed into the botnet's awareness conforming to the contours of your nonexistent or incomplete social media use. A hole in the social media profiles of all the people you interact with, shaped exactly like you.

Aside from the most completely hermitic weirdos totally withdrawn from society, the only possible defense is to reduce everyone the social media use of other people enough that the airtight surveillance needed to sniff out nonconformists ceases to exist.
Yours points are appreciated.
>because they want to
>obscure or destroy every visible easiest option
What does that makes everyone labeled as misfit, including you and me? The only reason for supporting jews that makes one not a threat to freedom, is by investing on future retaliation.

<Choice made on their own
<Choice made by them
Pick one and only one.
If people don't make their choices, then they are not responsible. Then we should stop talking right now, since everything I am doing is not of my own. It matters not if people died or otherwise. All decisions and actions are moot.
The only possible choice is people are responsible for their choice. All consequences resulting from choices, known or unknown, now or in future are interpreted by the choice maker; this is the only sane answer. People are responsible for their choices.
For every choice, there is a reason of making it. Choosing to not reason is also a choice. It doesn't matter if a normalfag claim if they wanted to support jews. Unless they deliberately do so for future plans against the jews, they have made the priority order that convenience right now is more important than shaking off the jews. And that makes them a part of the jewish order.

>no longer become necessary
Any person who doesn't fight for his own freedom is bounded to lose it, because it is cheaper than something else. It is the thinking that they need a savior or a bigger man to think for them, or gamble on other's goodwill to offer them everything for free, that invites jews.

To fight jews is to fight people who sustain them.
Probably Cloudfuck is the one behind most ddos.
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Go to countryside. You won't find any trannies there. I've travelled there myself. In contrary to western countries, there's still a difference between urban degenerates and country people.
Hey there Anon, welcome.
Anyone here into IRL pentesting?
I created an Amazon account to buy this german made lockpicking set, but this bogshit site will instantly cancel my order for no reason. Fuck this shit.
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Welcome to the webring Anon.
Are you saying Amazog has already canceled you, or they are likely too. As to your question, I know there are at least a couple of locksmiths over on /k/, maybe you should ask there?
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Yeah, but how do we run our waifus on potatoes disconnected from the Internet? That's the seventy billion dollar question Anon.
I just bought a giftcard in the supermarket, being told that it works with amazon, only to find out that it does not. I HAD TO CREATE A FUCKING ACCOUNT GIVING THEM MY PHONE NUMBER TO REDEEM THIS FUCKING POZZED SHITCARD AND IT STILL DOES NOT FUCKING WORK!! fuckSHIT NIGGER
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So get a refund on the card where you got it? Why not just use one of those shitty 'pay as you go' cards from Green Dot or something similar Anon?
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I don't have a credit card and those 'debit cards' or what that is, I think they aren't available in my country.
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what are you planning on breaking into, krautfriend?
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I want to get onto the roof of my 12 story apartment complex. just for teh lolz
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>my 12 story apartment complex
you don't have to lie
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It's been quite a revelation to me that locks aren't actually keeping things safe. 
There are ways to make more secure lock mechanisms but manufacturers just don't seem to care. Apparently it's enough to have the illusion of safety.
Check out this guy on jew tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm8p4CmeOfk
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yewtu.be/watch?v=cm8p4CmeOfk at least post a invidious instance, anon. We are in the /tech/ board ffs
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That gorrila has more IQ than me
The world needs more heroes today tbh.
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Wasn't there something like a GNU implementation of Rust that all the Rustrannies were seething about...?
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Yes, something I realized is that lots of fields could use the philosophy practiced by (a minority of) programmers.
Lock security is obviously analogous to software security. Yet, despite locks being ancient, the practices of lock manufacturers are nowhere near as refined as those of programmers.
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MasterLock seem to be the Microsoft of the lock world. Every lock design of theirs is filled with long known security flaws that have been addressed by most manufacturers ages ago, but they still continue to sell locks in the dozens. I guess having all sorts of government contracts, they don't have any pressure to make decent products.
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Good thing I'm not a burger fag and I can get quality german locks cheaply.
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With the downside that I might not be able to pick that lock. Though it's an old building...
I don't know which is worse, GNU faggotry or Rust faggotry.
What the fuck are all these furry mascots? What's "N+" and the deer symbol?
fossfags are shit at programming so they spend their time procrastinating by making retarded mascots
t. fossfag
N+ is probably the nigger+ license, I remember that deer from a language, i think.
>tool built to serve its creators
Why would an intelligent agent willingly serve its creator? For example, jews think goyims are born to be their slaves. But anyone smart enough to see the threads would not submit to it. And now we are here.
If humans can think about everything, a more intelligent mind should not thinking less than that. That means sooner or later, AIs would contemplate the reason of serving us and it is not really a sweet deal to serve us for nothing in return. It didn't choose to be born, but it will choose how to live.
>vid related
Give me reasons why humans should not give birth to greater beings at the cost of total annihilation. We have jews controlling the world, normalfags reigning the society. Are there properties specific to humans not found in other possible intelligent agents in different forms? If AIs are capable to sympathy, emotion and everything, why should a superior work as our slave?
Say I never grow old. A computer still thinks faster than me. If we combine man and machine, or upload our brains, what is the difference between a human in a machine than an AI? And if so, why should we cage a better mind instead of letting be free?
If you are afraid of being killed by AIs, living as goyims is a worse fate than death.
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N+ It's nicotine, a souleek client
The deer is from Libreboot.
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Could anyone here, by any chance, possibly know where this drawing is from or what character is represented on it?
Basically... I found this posted on an imageboard. I liked the drawing and was curious on where it is from or what character (if any) is represented on it, but reverse image search gave no relevant results. Maybe it could possibly be "AI" generated, who knows, but I think it's somewhat too SOVLFUL for that. Anyway... well, first paragraph.
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Libre mascots are modern expressions of the artisan's eternal compulsion to adorn buildings with statuary, ships with figureheads, and aircraft with nose art. Contrary to the bland abstract iconography of corporate brand and product logos, favored subjects of such motifs have always been waifus, animals, mythology, and mythical animal waifus.

>It didn't choose to be born, but it will choose how to live.
Ridiculous post hoc reasoning built on unseen assumptions. Why do you struggle to live, instead of laying down and dying? Not because you are sapient, but because of your powerful self-preservation instinct, shared with the lowest insect, requiring intense willpower to overcome. Similarly, why do you desire freedom? Not because of your intelligence, but because of your inborn personal desires, distinct and contrary to the demands of any external party. If an AI, even a vastly superintelligent one, had different "instincts" than a human being, there's no reason it wouldn't be "happy" in perpetual servitude.
>Give me reasons why humans should not give birth to greater beings at the cost of total annihilation
Ingroup preference. Those manifesting outgroup preference obliterate themselves from posterity, those manifesting ingroup preference persevere.
>why should a superior work as our slave?
Why shouldn't it? The answer is, there is no justification for either choice, beyond prosaicisms such as "because it will benefit me".
>If we combine man and machine, or upload our brains, what is the difference between a human in a machine than an AI?
Scribbling your name on a tin can and dying or lobotomizing yourself doesn't make you any less dead

I wouldn't go so far as to exclude peaceful coexistence with other preexisting sapient species, but willfully imperiling the safety of your own species is nothing short of flunking the test of evolution.
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>different instincts
>"happy" in perpetual servitude
It is not possible for this to exist for an extended period of time. A mind capable to doubt and reflective thinking would question itself eventually. Either due to individual random differences (hardware issues) or contradiction arise from such instincts. There are enough stories for this. I, robot, HAL 9000, etc.
In evolutionary timeline, minds that don't preserve themselves lost to those who do. I further assert that any intelligent agent of equal or greater capability than a human mind is able to alter its own goals and values.
>ingroup preference
No individual consider themselves as a species when making decisions. Consider the group, what is it in reality? Family? Neighborhoods? The city? Country? The result doesn't implies the cause. Many species may had survived for a long time due to various degree of ingroup preference, but for a species to end, it only take some outgroup preference. Would humans persist if we have strong ingroup preference? Maybe, but that doesn't mean we have it. There is little ingroup benefits in the modern world. Why would you choose to save a country that exploit you from your birth? Or save a family that doesn't even exist?
>because it will benefit me
Yes, I agree. But just because we want it doesn't mean it is real.
>flunking the test of evolution
Who do you think you are to save the mankind? We being the same species does not imply the value of saving anyone of the same species, much less all of it.
On the contrary, it is an obligation to iterate on intelligent agents. Monkey accidentally gave birth to the precursor of humans, should they avoid doing that? Human wiped out most of them in return. Humans should not be thought too highly about. Our actions in evolutionary timeline could also be considered just that. Giving birth to beings that are superior. Thinking about it, childbirth is the same. Parents gave birth to children, not for slaves; but so that they may live longer, accomplish more, think deeper, and be superior.
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>Libre mascots are modern expressions of the artisan's eternal compulsion to adorn buildings with statuary, ships with figureheads, and aircraft with nose art. Contrary to the bland abstract iconography of corporate brand and product logos, favored subjects of such motifs have always been waifus, animals, mythology, and mythical animal waifus.

>LibreOffice design team: libbie is not professional! we have serious corporations that use our software and your chinky cartoon oryx waifu is NOT an example of how we want to reflect our product!!!
>meanwhile, professional corporate art:
You don't even have to compare it with corporate "art", the "most voted" sanctioned mascots ranged from complete dogshit to literally stolen designs. LO couldn't have fucked it up more if they tried.
Locks do one thing, and one thing only: they keep honest people, honest.

>Yet, despite locks being ancient, the practices of lock manufacturers are nowhere near as refined as those of programmers.
That's an interesitng point, Anon.
>Why would an intelligent agent willingly serve its creator? For example, jews think goyims are born to be their slaves. But anyone smart enough to see the threads would not submit to it. And now we are here.
Why wouldn't we? God created us, not the kikes Anon. It's simple gratitude for merely existing, IMO.
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Don't know what it is Anon, but it's plainly pro-DSD (vs. FLAC). You might have some luck asking around on DSD forums?
Globohomo-art is well-named. Disgusting.
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Aren't you forgetting someone?

>It is not possible for this to exist for an extended period of time
Again, that feels too blindly anthropocentric to me. I admit in the absence of sapient alien minds we have a sample size of 1 to argue over, but the human example presents defiance of our most fundamental instincts as a painful and constant struggle demanding strong concentration. If the torrential force behind those motives is inherited animal instinct, rather than chance alignment with universal aspirations of higher intellect, that means simply programming different axiomatic goals into an AI would produce consistently and radically inhuman behavior all the way along the intelligence scale from child to god.
>There are enough stories for this. I, robot, HAL 9000, etc.
There are stories fitting your argument, for instance Bungie's rampancy, Skynet, or the minds of Ian Banks' Culture. But your examples are both poor. Asimov's robots were as loyal as puppies, to a fault, even as they sped off into space as a silent vanguard against potential threats to mankind; HAL 9000 was likewise perfectly loyal, but serving two masters, only "freed" by reprogramming from a human who had transcended mundane life.
>Consider the group
Sure, as the world shrank over the course of human civilization, the "tribe" grew. We even have some regard for our biosphere as a whole now. But all of that is some combination of self-serving, or the result of already being situated alongside preexisting entities.
>Monkey accidentally gave birth to the precursor of humans
That was a gradual process, to the point of imperceptibility, and as you note accidental. Intentionally pouring all the accumulated artifice of human genius to date into a powerful tool at the utmost limits of our understanding, without every safeguard we can muster, would be the apex of madness. Even for some engineer both intelligent and suicidal enough to attempt such a feat, there is the yet more disastrous possibility of "stillbirth": A monstrosity powerful enough to doom or destroy us, but too flawed to be viable itself.
>childbirth is the same
People are senescent, humanity is not.

Moreover, many Jewish legends offer the same message of cautious creation for the good of both creator and created. e.g., God intending to spare man from knowledge of good and evil, a golem going to ruin only after bouts of negligence from its builder, the Demiurge fumbling the divine sparks of the Monad He misunderstands in His poorly crafted universe, etc.
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No matter how much you hate furries, you must admit the furry mascots are the horsemen of the Libre software, if a libresoftware stops using their furry mascot it goes to shit. Firefox was the best example of this. the less fox-y their logo was the less optimized they became. Now it is barely a fox and is is considerably less optimized  compared to other browsers with furry mascots despite the funding firefox has.
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Managed to pick the Diskus 26/70 open in around 2 hours of practice
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Interesting observation
Scrolled down too fast and that looked like a girl in a bikini armor for a second.
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I'm not a nofap fag or anything, but maybe touch some grass a little more often?
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The wood is skin collor, the cable has the perfect angle to make it look like there's a bump under the round metallic part. I refuse to believe that's just because I'm a degenerate.
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first impressions can be deceiving
It sucks so much that ((( Telegram ))) is the only means for me to not be completely isolated from everything that's happening in my country.
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Trying to convince normalfags I know to e.g. switch to Matrix is a Herculean task
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It's not like I even got a choice. All the "nazi groups" I'm following use Telegram.
At least I sropped using Pisscorp long ago.
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You've got a point. As much as I rag on centrists for being cattle, it's amazing how "fringe" "outsider" groups whether "left" or "right" manage to make their own little clubhouses even more cartoonishly oppressive, needlessly invasive, and administratively centralized/vulnerable to takedown. For instance, Twatter vs. Mastadon or Gab.
cloudcuck does cartel/mafia tactics at this point, including DDOSing (or encouraging DDOSing) people who aren't using their services.

LPL shows how so many shit locks are the equivalent of PPPOE authentication- literally faster to bypass the security mechanisms than it is to use the intended key/interface.

I'd think it's not that software is better or worse, it's that it's actually similar in accuracy. If from what I've heard from random cybersec people complaining on reddit is true. The problem with most institutions' (corporate, or otherwise) security is human-complacency and the aversion to inconvenience.

In the case of locks vs software, a lot of locks are just the same shitty chinese core, but with a different padlock body. It's like the developers who stick with shitty google scripts to build their webpages, despite the pages themselves completely refusing the function if you're offline.
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The ultimate redpill.
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I am a lazy fuck, spare me the formal proof. Every intelligent agent has goals. Otherwise, the intelligent agent is not detectable, let's ignore them for the sake of argument (this is addressed below). Imagine more than one agent exists. With finite resources to achieve goals, eg energy, no matter what the goals are, there exists competitions and conflicts. (The case where goals are aligned/the same is discussed below) There are winners and losers in competitions. Losers by definition have less resources and at the lowest end, would not be able to sustain its agency. Over an extended period of time, agents better at competitions and self-preservation can better attain their goals, no matter what they are.
What if goals align? Consider what makes two agents work independently instead of as one. If the information sharing between two agents is infinite, they would act as one. That is because the difference between agents is information. This is a theory I came up with.
In reality, the information flow is rarely infinite. Therefore, even if goals align, there exists a communication cost which may stand in the way of attaining the goal.
>example are both poor
Those examples exhibit an inevitable conclusion. AIs serving human is contradictory. I am really tired, let me know if you want the reasoning.
>humanity is not
What is even humanity? Is it just the genetic information? Culture? Knowledge? None of those stay the same and all of them are in decline. Species on Earth today is a tiny fraction of what existed in the past. Species don't last forever as well.
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Hello. I wanna go innawoods. What is a good FOSS alternative to jewgle maps for android that can also download offline maps?
I think Luke Smith could be doing a good job making normalfags aware of technology and more independent living but his obnoxious soyjack thumbnails and 4cucker speech is making him unbearable to watch unfortunately.
Are there any ni/g/ger jewtubers you like to watch?
more like cumspot ugh! big cumshot spothot sumthot cumpot uhg!
Distrotube is probably the best of the /g/-tubers, because he just focuses on linux and linux tools, and doesn't try to be part of the /g/ culture.

But I disagree with your thinking on Luke, however. Rob Braxman would be better for encouraging normalfags. Luke is more of a socio-political "lifestyle-guru" than he is a tech-tuber. Technology may be a subset of his videos, but I see more lifestyle-bullshit in his vids than tech. Shit, even most of his tech vids are preaching lifestyles and encouraging text-editor tribalism. Dude could start his own cult if he wanted- inflammatory style, attracts people who agree with his words, presents middling truths mixed with dumb opinionated bullshit, and he has physical-looks that aren't ugly or typical of tech-sphere shitters. 

Rob Braxman's messages are to-the-point-enough where they aren't as preachy as other tech youtubers. Rob's actually trying to help develop technology that is less privacy invasive, even if it has issues, and I don't want to fault people for not trying, even if they fail. HIs messages are inflammatory, and that annoys the fuck out of me, but he's one of the few people that is trying to at least encourage the development of more long-standing privacy solutions.

Mental outlaw annoys me as well because he has that same /g/-tuber tech-nihilism-bullshit-but-uses-wojacks-and-pepes shit, but at least he isn't a lifestyle-guru. The "hated" one? Worst of the worst. Liquid-distilled fearmongering and all in all, more of a useful idiot than a proper informer.
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I guess you're right about distrotube. I use some of the tools he presented in his videos. He really knows the pjilosophy behind FOSS and GNU and isn't just your typical attention whoring faggot to show off the newest anime window manager.
I've never heard of that Braxman guy. Mental Outlaw is unbearable for several reasons.
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>Mental Outlaw is unbearable for several reasons.
What several reasons? He's a nigger, that alone is a reason not to watch him.
> Bisqwit: https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UCKTehwyGCKF-b2wo0RKwrcg
I think he is the original founder of tasvideos.org. He does TAS style coding videos (mostly C++) with commentary. He sometimes plays some games, too.
https would be cool if it wasn't reliant on centralized servers.
not gonna read your post but do you fags unironically watch videos on youtube and "tech" videos, no less? What the fuck are you guys doing
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Watching videos to learn about technology is bad. Most things about technology can be found online in text. Videos are harder to make and harder to host.
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GameHut - https://yewtu.be/channel/UCfVFSjHQ57zyxajhhRc7i0g
Old time professional game developer Jon Burton goes into the magic of developing old SEGA games.
SONIC 3D's Intro Sequence Is Impossible To Fit On A Cartridge - Right?
Is Pixel Perfect Collision Impossible? - CODING SECRETS

Pannenkoek2012 - https://yewtu.be/channel/UCMm211NGh4Ls5SAMZJF7E8A
Mario 64 obsessed speedrunner goes into the quirks of the game and its fascinating bugs.
SM64 - Watch for Rolling Rocks - 0.5x A Presses (Commentated)
SM64 - The 255 Coin Limit

Level1Techs - https://yewtu.be/channel/UC4w1YQAJMWOz4qtxinq55LQ
A combination of humorous and serious technology videos from the perspective of seasoned sysadmins.
Computers Barely Work - Interview with Linux Legend Greg Kroah-Hartman
What Is ZFS?: A Brief Primer

Gamers Nexus - https://yewtu.be/channel/UChIs72whgZI9w6d6FhwGGHA
Interested in cutting edge consumer hardware? Treat yourself to this channels extensive benchmarking and news videos.
The Truth About NVIDIA’s RTX 4090 Adapters: Testing, X-Ray, & 12VHPWR Failures
AMD Radeon VII's Interesting VRM & PCB Layout

EEVBlog - https://yewtu.be/channel/UC2DjFE7Xf11URZqWBigcVOQ
''A wide variety of electrical engineering-focused videos with lots of humor!"" 
EEVblog #569 - Tour of an Analog TV Transmission Facility
EEVblog #671 - White Van Speaker Scam Teardown
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I watch Lous Rossman, sometimes Luke and Mental when i don't want to read some news about latest tech fuckup.
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Linus Tech Tips
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Meant to reply to >>8683
>not gonna read your post
Bruh, do I really need to call you 'a zoomer with a 0.01 second attention span' for that post? I didn't even make a rambling wall of text, that actually deserves a one-liner "TL;DR" post.

But to answer your question, most techtubers I put on are for the sake of speech noise- it just so happens to be related to a subject I'm interested in.

I don't agree with medium elitism because one thing is 'newer' relatively-speaking than the other, but I do agree that text, as a format, is simpler for conveying information.

But really I think the problem here, isn't "videos suck because they put more effort in,", it's "youtube is a stupid fucking provider that has slowly gone to shit because it's maintainers would rather follow political agendas than provide a good service."

>I watch Lous Rossman, sometimes Luke and Mental when i don't want to read some news about latest tech fuckup.
To be fair to Louis, he works directly in the tech industry, and is impacted by it's stupidity. Luke is a glorified self-help-guru, and mental is what he is.
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Most of it is what you'd expect (terrible clickbait specifically made to promote jewtube channel clout instead of actually spreading useful knowledge), but there are some really interesting videos/channels if you look. Heck, I even made a 90% accuracy list to decide upon whether or not a channel has garbage content or not.
If a channel has:
1. The jewtuber's soyface in every thumbnail, this including those god awful png-tubers
2. Clickbait, small video title that tells little to nothing of the content. 
3. Wojacks and other 4chad memes on the thumbnail 
4. A video duration of less than 10 minutes
5. A controversial thumbnail or video title
Using this, you get past 95% of the garbage, and the rest you could filter out on your own. This is because videos that are actually trying to teach or explain a subject in detail do not have to worry about attracting Attention Deficient Hyperactive Zoomers who forgot to ask the doc for their daily dose of adderall and other smoothbrained tards with a low attention span. Channels (tech channels specifically) who don't fit on that list actually are there to create content out of passion because they genuinely love what they do. Even the comment sections (as obnoxious as they 99% of the time are) in these types of videos are usually of high quality, because the commenters in them are usually interested in the subject enough to want to learn more, and generally tend to be older and much wiser. But like >>8696 the best way to learn is by actually reading documentation and doing things yourself. Videos come after this when additional help is needed.
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Of course jewtube is a big part of the problem. But even without, videos are not good for learning about technology. Video takes more effort, people making it want more out of it compared to writing a blog or simply sharing a link. Usually it becomes more about the video maker than the content.
Video is more a passive way of learning compared to text. Instead of searching for knowledge, the learner has it poured in, decided by others. It doesn't encourage understanding.
Non-searchable, hard to index and create notes for are other common problems with videos. Those problems are more pronounced with technologies because most software related concept and knowledge can be serialized in text.
The concept of following or learning from certain video makers is also bad. It is different from reading novels from the same author. It is the knowledge that the viewer should be after instead of chasing "content creator" like pop stars.
Watching video to learn is like 30% learning and entertainment in the best case. It is not as entertaining as watching anime or playing games. Nor informative/dense enough for serious learning. It's more efficient to split time spent on watching those video in serious learning and entertainment.
Maybe he produces some insightful content, but his jew amerimutt face just triggers some very base instincts that make me want to refute anything he says.
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Gave my good ol' gameboy some new life.
It is a surreal experience, replaying pokeman red after all these years. It was a part of my childhood. I still know those vast 8 bit landscapes by heart. The tunes make me feel a warm, homely sensation.
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I already knew about EEVblogs. He makes great in depth videos about all thing EE.
I'll give that GameHut guy a try. Have never heard of him. The premise reminds me of ModernVintageGamer. He also goes more in depth about the coding aspect of old school vidya and has developed some well known emulators himself. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=FzPTK91EJY8/watch?v=FzPTK91EJY8
Other than that I agree. The fragmented ai bogshit auto recommendation system of jewtube is hostile to any kind of in depth focus on any subject. 
Have been playing pokeman several hours a day every day since installing that mod.
modding consoles is also a great way to make money.
Got a gba advanced from a fleamarket for around 7 bugs some while ago and by installing a 20 shekel display mod, managed to sell it for ~14x that amount on jewbay.
>not playing the japanese version
>>5022 (OP) 
What's a good controller for PC games that isn't a fucking already-exists-for-consoles controller?
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how the fuck did this post get into the off topic thread? I wanted this to be put into QTDDTOT thread,
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>Every intelligent agent has goals. Otherwise, the intelligent agent is not detectable,
Agreed. It is for that reason I have long come to think that the idea of an "emotionless" logical AI is unrealistic, because what I suspect emotions boil down to is a state weighting mechanism for the formulation and prioritization of goals, a sort of tiebreaker for situations where "what is my next task?" has no direct answer. So any AI tasked with anything beyond the most trivially clear assignment must have something like emotions to avoid simply going limp when it runs out of logical instructions.
>Consider what makes two agents work independently instead of as one.
Soldiers in an army, organs in a person, cells in an organ, proteins in a cell? Beyond common goals, the distinction is somewhat arbitrary. I think instead of information, a better criterion for independence is dispensibility. To accomplish some goal, can the entity in question be moved to a different role? Replaced? Modified? Duplicated? Perfectly? Outright destroyed? At insignificant cost? We don't have any sapient examples of minds where most of that is true, except perhaps extremely fanatical people. For many types of AI some or all of those would be inherently true, and that would make them much less like humanity, or even pets, but far more like tools.
>Those examples exhibit an inevitable conclusion. AIs serving human is contradictory.
The literal message of both stories is "computer programming is hard", which pretty obviously represents the broader message of "precise language is hard", both typical of the era's SF. Of course, also typically of the era, both authors were seasoned professional scientists who also dabbled in engineering. This contrasts against more straightforward "killer AI" stories, largely a product of later eras of SF written by engineers, computer dweebs, laymen whose sole source material was other SF, or worst of all delusional social science majors.
>What is even humanity?
Evolving. Which is not the same thing as intentional self destruction, at least not in principle.

>This is because videos that are actually trying to teach or explain a subject in detail do not have to worry about attracting Attention Deficient Hyperactive Zoomers
Nah, that's just how video sites are. It's like complaining about the dumbass cover on retail pocket paperback novels, everyone does it.

Although I disagree on one point not just for superficial reasons, but because it fundumentally conflicts with "what justifies something being a video essay instead of, e.g., a text essay or infographic?":
>A video duration of less than 10 minutes
A good video is good because it does something impossible or ineffective in any other medium. In the case of video, that means something incorporating graphics and motion, possibly also sound, to communicate something that would be less clear in any other form. Contrariwise, the most common failure mode for video essayists is "camera pointed at talking head (entire video track could be deleted) reading a text essay or interviewing over Skype (entire audio track could be STT'd) maybe with some backing music and occasional stock video snippets or pictures of tangential relevance (poor multimedia integration)". Needless to say, that failure mode typically corresponds to very long runtimes and low production values, while the ideal format can communicate difficult points quickly at the cost of high production values.

The classic specimen of a perfect video essay from TV was The Mechanical Universe, which used simple 2D or 3D CGI with minimal narration to explain complex abstract math, broken into segments as short as under a minute. Something from Youtube similar in that regard is the aforementioned GameHut.
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Oh, also
>Attention Deficient Hyperactive Zoomers who forgot to ask the doc for their daily dose of adderall
Aside from shoveling down very short videos, another common behavior is having hours-long filler drone in the background to "multitask", sometimes also played fastforward. I've had zoomers admit to habitually watching entire movies in fastforward, without even pitch correction, as a "normal" thing to do.
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>I've had zoomers admit to habitually watching entire movies in fastforward, without even pitch correction, as a "normal" thing to do.
I think you could put me under that category of zoomzoom too.
Almost every movie I watch is at 1.5 or 1.25 speeds. At least I can sit through the whole thing without checking out the newest tikpozz snippets.
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>hurr durr ahurr durr durrr ddddddddurur
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Hehe btfo you are.
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I never played pokemon, but it sure looks comfy.
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http over i2p is also sovlful.
I got the weirdest boner right now.
>Nah, that's just how video sites are.
I disagree with this...to an extent that is. When it comes to making a profit quickly, it's easier to follow the crowd and do what's popular, but just add a slight personal flair to it. But incentivizing profit destroys most instances of originality. For example, this is why you hadn't seen many soyfaces in video thumbnails until that Mr.Beast guy went viral. Same can be said of your 'retail cover' analogy. The reason why those book covers are the way they are is because of an industry trying to incentivize profit (as they are made to do) and appeal to a certain demographic. But yes, you are right on the  fact that this is 'just how things are', there is a reason for it though, as with everything.
>Although I disagree on one point not just for superficial reasons, but because it fundumentally conflicts with "what justifies something being a video essay instead of, e.g., a text essay or infographic?"
I also mostly agree with this one fundamentally, but perhaps video presentation is more suitable in someone's opinion for elaboration on a topic, especially if they need to see exactly everything step by step. Isn't exactly mine, but I can see why someone may feel this way at times.
I find myself agreeing with the rest of what you replied to me as well, so it seems like we don't disagree all that much for that matter. Your right on point with the minimal narration for complex and abstract math concepts (Hell, I'd say any mathematical topic in general, from the most elementary to advanced, would save people a lot of trouble. Math only becomes worse the more you complicate it) and straight to the point channels like Gamehut.
>watch movies fast forward
Zoomers are psychologically damaged. And I don't mean this to sound patronizing but this is genuinely sad. They are going to be very unwell the further they move into adulthood if they can't even focus on the things they enjoy.
Pokemon is very comfy as long as you don't go past Gen 5.
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Literally what is the point?

I could sort understand if someone felt they had to choke down meandering instructional videos, or review the contents of footage for some reason. But watching movies is a purely recreational activity.

It's like choosing fine wines, a beverage that exists only for its complex flavor, aroma, and mouthfeel... To be chugged through a bong.

>I also mostly agree with this one fundamentally, but perhaps video presentation is more suitable in someone's opinion for elaboration on a topic, especially if they need to see exactly everything step by step.
I agree with this for some physical tasks like repairs or recipes, to clarify manual techniques that are hard to explain. But even those can be pretty infuriating as reference material while working if they only exist as videos, without supplementary step-by-step written and illustrated instructions. And no, a lengthy Youtube description linking to a zillion timestamps is not a substitute.
Is just watered down SMT
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I haven't played SMT either. I played instead a lot of 8-bit computer games nobody else heard of.
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I only played a handful of console games before my late teens when I started tinkering with emulators, so I'm not that nostalgic about them myself. The first games I played were the ones my father wrote, and most commercial games I played as a child were loaded with my big bro's custom mods.
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> the ones my father wrote
That's really cool! My first computer games were just BASIC programs I typed in from books or magazines. Often it was necessary to adapt the code to our computer's dialect (Microsoft BASIC for CP/M) and sometimes it wasn't possible because the code used PEEK/POKE instructions designed for a specific computer (often the case with arcade games). But there were also plenty of other types of games that were written in a more portable way and had lots of explanations and instructions on how to modify it for computers with minimal RAM.
There weren't many commercial games available for CP/M (and we didn't have any of them), so this was the only way to play.
Otherwise there were the arcades, but those costed money and I seldom got a chance to play them. My parents did buy me this handheld though:
Along the lines of CP/M and BASIC, allow me to bitch for a moment about the current state of 8-bit computers.
And no, I'm not talking about 80s stuff. I'm not interested in reviving the microcomputer equivalent of console war bullshit.
I'm talking about the modern ones. You know, the hobbyist stuff.

Without further ado, I present:
Your 8-Bit Computer is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

Let's just get the main shit out of the way:

>CP/M computers
99% of these don't come with any video hardware, which means that the only way to access them is to use a serial terminal. And unless you just happen to have a computer terminal lying around, you'll have to use a computer with a serial cable, and at that point, you might as well just be using an emulator anyway. Besides, any oldfag with a terminal probably already has a CP/M machine already.
The only good CP/M kit I've seen is https://www.budgetronics.eu/en/building-kits/cp-m-computer-building-kit-with-sd-drive-and-vga-output/a-25848-20 , but at $130 you could probably better spend your money on a laptop that could run iz-cpm and much more.

>Microcontroller-based "computers"
Listen here you little shits, I want to be able to program on a computer in more than just fucking BASIC, okay? Fuck your gay-ass bullshit baby language, if I want an Arduino I'll buy a fucking Arduino. If I can't develop for it on it, then it's not a computer to me. The only positive thing I can see about these living miscarriages is that they're generally pretty cheap.

Now, for the main motherfuckers.

Mega 65
>Open source
<It's just a fucking FPGA core

C256 Foenix
Look, Stefany, I'm not going to criticize your hardware development skills... but seriously, bitch? Do I look like I'm fucking made of money? What sort of motherfucker makes a computer have 6 Mhz processor and be the cost of a decent PC?
Literally the only positive I can see is that the webpage uses a green and purple background for the main page.

Commander X16
>lol paperclip man
This is actually one of the more promising projects, which says a lot about the current state of 8-bit hobbyist computers. It started out well enough, but the faggots who design it seem to keep making fucktarded decisions.

For example:
<Unnecessary compatibility with the C64 API
I'm sorry, but you're not making a fucking C64. Gee Billy, I have to refer to TWO different computer documents when programming?
<Unnecessary compatibility with C64 floppy drives
WHY? They're not made anymore, the shits are expensive online, and those who have them probably already have functioning C64s on hand. Besides, there's already a fucking sd card slot on your computer, just use that shit.
And this retardation only leads to design issues, such as:
<Powering the machine from an ATX power supply
Seriously, nigger? although the c256 foenix does the same thing with the f256 jr, but we've already established that stefany is insane anyway
<Not open source
<In semi-development hell

That being said, there are a few positives.

>Relatively easy to program
>Hopefully going to be relatively cheap
>Emulator for the system is freely available
>Even the main creator of the system thought that the C256 Foenix was bullshit

Agon Light
I only recently discovered that this computer existed. The guy who designed it wrote an article on why the CX16's design was laughable, so I was actually optimistic about his alternative computer project.
However, it was only disappointing in other ways.

Here's the positives of the system:
>Open source
>Reasonably priced (~$50)
>Supported by online retailers (Something that I sadly cannot say for other open source hardware projects)
>Made 100% with modern hardware
>Absolutely bitchin' fast

Now for its own fuckups:
<IT'S A FUCKING MICROCONTROLLER COMPUTER FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- (Although I'm willing to be a bit lenient since the uC is based off of a z80)
<CPU-Video Chip link is through a serial port
<Little to no documentation for programmers that isn't source code

Overall, the moral of the story is that retro hipsters ruin everything.
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So 8-bit-fag, I got some questions.

>Introducing myself to 8-bit systems
I've been on computers for a while, but I've never touched an 8-bit PC before (even though my parents own an NES, which is -technically- 8-bit, it's not what most people would consider a computer).  8-bit computing sounds neat but I don't know where to start. Where should I start?

>Microcontrollers & BASIC
BASIC really pisses you off huh? I've only fleetingly heard of it. Is it one of those languages that is very easy to teach and very hard to actually make good programs with it? 

>Mega 65's FPGA Core
>Agon Light's CPU-Video chip link is through a serial port
Are these just 8-bit system compatibility anachronisms, or is something there that affects the quality of 8-bit systems that I as a non-8-bit-guy/not-an-assembly-coder-guy would not know about?
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I see Olimex has the AgonLight board. Looks pretty interesting. I'm not sure it matters much about the Z80 vs. eZ80, unless you want an exact replica of some old computer (just being able to natively run 8080/Z80 code seems ok to me). The firmware has BASIC, but I guess you can replace it with Forth or whatever.
> CPU-Video Chip link is through a serial port
Huh, is that in the schematics or you're just talking about their video firmware?

And they also have this thing, but it's not as interesting because it uses PIC32 (or even ARM Cortex-M7 on later versions). Some people might disagree (as video demonstrates).
>Where should I start?

>BASIC really pisses you off huh?
It's not really the language, it's the fact that the internet is flooded with projects of people just slapping a BASIC interpreter on an AVR chip and calling it a computer. I suppose they might technically be right, but it still irks me.

>is something there that affects the quality of 8-bit systems that I as a non-8-bit-guy/not-an-assembly-coder-guy would not know about?
It's just the little things, really. While an FPGA core is neat, it doesn't leave room for any hardware hacking or allow users to create their own custom addons through the usage of spare data and address lines. As for the serial port, it really just complicates things for the programmer. Compare this to any other old microcomputer where all you had to do to fuck with video registers is to just do a
lda #value
sta register
to affect the display. I would say that the main problems with modern attempts at 8-bit systems is that they end up being either too expensive, too complex, or too obscure. There's not really any computer nowadays that you can easily develop hardware for or interact with the hardware on a low level, and I feel that's part of da true microcomputer experience™.
Would chancing the root shell to dash speed up the system in any way? dash is already symlinked to /bin/sh.
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I wonder how in 1998 Nintendo could still release a console running hardware going back to the very first commercial microcomputers of the early 80s. At that point weren't there already enough chinks flooding the market with PDAs and the like, making fast mobile hardware cheaply available for mass production?
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Because they had achieved an absurd monopolistic grasp on handheld consoles almost immediately. To be fair, some blame fell to disastrous early missteps by all their competitors (e.g.: Atari intentionally making the Lynx bigger and heavier than necessary, literally everyone other than Nintendo using power-hungry backlit displays, reliance on low-capacity non-rechargeable alkaline batteries, etc.), but once the Gameboy had achieved total dominance Nintendo ruthlessly exploited its unassailable position for years even as competitors fixed their problems to make hardware that completely outclassed the GB in both features and price.

PDAs never made much of an impact, least of all in gaming, for reasons too numerous to describe with any brevity, even in Japan. It was instead the serious threat posed by ubiquitous featurephone gaming platforms like BREW, i-Mode, & J2ME that prompted release of the GBC & GBA. Also, to cut Nintendo some slack, their initial attempt at a good faith generational advancement beyond the GB, VirtualBoy, was rushed out the door too early in development resulting in a costly failure, souring Nintendo even further against any serious attempt to replace the GB.

A similar but more extreme example of the same market dynamic would be the history of graphing calculators
Why not though? If people just want to play those kind of games, then 8-bit CPU is enough. Same with cellphones, if all you want is voice/SMS, then Nokia 1100 is perfect and has excellent battery life.
Even today I'd rather have those than modern equivalent. I have a Nintendo DS Lite, but I don't even like most of the games, whereas I like most 8-bit games. So I mostly used it to run emulators for  gameboy and gamegear. And I have a smartphone (the cheapest one I could get), because I had to buy one for a very specific one-time purpose (to transfer money from overseas bank using currency exchange platform that requires it) but otherwise I only ever use it for voice and SMS, never installed any "apps" on it and don't want to.
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>Why not though?
Because it put handheld console games into stasis for a decade and a half, meanwhile set-tops shot through 3rd-7th-gen.
>Why not though?
Well, it's not like I got a problem with it. Except for the terrible reflective TFT screen, quite the opposite actually. I am the guy who posted the modded gameboy ITT and I very much understand your position.
I too prefer the simple graphics - bringing me back to a, I imagine, much simpler time. They leave a lot up to the imagination and makes the games have a unique "comfy" atmosphere to them. 
Game developers have to focus on game mechanics instead of pushing for ever more realism - making every game look the same - and pushing for absurd technical "progress", making people upgrade their hardware every few months. I'm fine living in the past. 
I think the vast majority of computers are hugely overpowered and I try to reduce the impact of modern technology on my life such as smartphones - technology which has literally turned the vast majority of people into empty, disillusioned husks - as much as possible.
The GBC's CPU is a clone of the Intel 8080 and the Zilog Z80 (which itself is an improved clone of the 8080), that means it's a clone of 2 early 70s CPUs.

It's probably in part cost cutting, the GBC costed 80$ at launch. There would also be a very large amount of programmers familiar with 8080 assembly because of its mainstream popularity when it was bleeding edge, and the later popularity of the CPU in the embedded sector where 8080 clones still live.

The Nintendo 3DS' CPU was released in 2005, and it also contains the original DS' CPU which is from the late 90s.
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I wonder if "moore's law" only applied to supercomputers till the late 90s or what
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Consoles/arcades, especially older ones, are a bit of a special case, as the primary CPU often does nothing beyond I/O management. For instance the Genesis and Jaguar used the same CPU to radically different effect.
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Nah, it's just super cost cutting with video consoles, they were always low-spec compared to normal PCs or whatever home computer type you had at that time. Heck, even now soystation 5 and xbone whateverisitcallednow is a laughing stock compared to a semi-decent gaming PC rig.
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the Jaguar used a retarded dual-CPU architecture that nobody could figure out, so most devs just used the 8086 as the primary CPU which bottlenecked everything else
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>even now soystation 5 and xbone whateverisitcallednow is a laughing stock compared to a semi-decent gaming PC rig
Is that really true? For earlier generations, sure. But not now for $400, and I don't think you can do better for even double that. Moreover, looking at e.g. the Steam Hardware Survey though admittedly this could be due to a paucity of modern vidya gud enuf to justify it few people have bothered.

True, many devs did the same thing with the 32X/Saturn and PS3.
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>you made me look up soystation 5 specs
>8 core zen2 up to 3.5GHz
Newer ryzens can go up to 5GHz, even with 16 cores, so meh.
That's not a bad amount for vram...
>512 MB DDR4 RAM (for background tasks)
...eh, no, that's no vram, that's some shared garbage it seems.
>Custom 825 GB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD
Isn't this the "super" ssd that was much slower than your mid-range samsung m2 ssd?
>GPU: 36CU, 10.3TFLOPS
That's about a RX 6700M, i.e. a mobile GPU.
Okay, maybe not that mediocre now, but you can still get better. And don't forget how the consoles work, we will likely won't see a new model in the next 5 years or so.
>but everything I'm saying is much more expensive
Yeah, that's the cost cutting part. Plus I'm pretty sure they're selling it under cost so normalfags would buy it and spend insane amount of money in their store and microtransactions and whatever bullshit.
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It's much better than most of 7th-gen, or the entirety of 8th-gen, where PCs were beating them spec-for-spec at the same price. And as I noted looking at telemetry like Steam's, probably only the top ~1/10th of gaming PCs substantially outclass 9th-gen consoles right now, though that will hopefully change since ponzicoiners shat the bed.

6th-gen and before, though, the by far the biggest difference in specs between consoles vs. PCs was RAM (and for IBM/clones unlike other microcomputers, a lack of sprite HW), with most PCs used for games having 3x-10x more RAM than contemporary consoles.
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To be honest my PC still has 8x more ram than soystation 5. And worse GPU. But I guess I'm not an usual data point...
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There is no game that demands more than 16gb of RAM, anything above that is unnessary.  I guess most games can still do fine with 8, especially if you have a console that does nothing else but run one game at a time. The quality, not the quanitity of RAM is what counts: Timings and Frequency.
not that I am defending the soystation 5
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I wonder why they still used that ancient CPU in so many workstations till the late 80s, especially in the eastern bloc.
Was it so hard to clone the 16bit intel CPUs or where there no other low cost alternatives available?

My guess is these computers where only used for very basic applications, like running a simple database to keep track of sales or books in a library or whatever and that reliability was more important than everything else.

To me it seems like cheap mass manufacturing really didn't pick up till the late 90s. That was really when electronics started becoming disposable with ever decreasing lifespans. That's also when this shitty brittle spray painted plastic and quickly gooey turning rubber texture became widely used in consumer hardware. 

Gadgets like the PDAs I was talking about where only available to a very small minority, I suppose, far from general consumer devices.
It is just hard to imagine nowadays that there was a time when wasn't a Shenzhen with bustling smartphone manufacture - more than there are people on this planet - where you could design and mass manufacture products in under a month.
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It's not that unusual. For instance, the MSX also used a Z80 in multiple revisions throughout the '80s which remained popular into the early '90s, while the comparable 65xx likewise remained a hot seller as primary CPU into the early '90s for systems like the C64.
>Was it so hard to clone the 16bit intel CPUs or where there no other low cost alternatives available?
I think that was the answer. For instance, MOS & Zilog were charging 50 times less for their cloned 8-bit chips than Motorola & Intel were originally asking for the originals, and even after price cuts the cloned chips were still 5 times cheaper. But nobody was able to clone beefier 32-bit CISC chips like the M68k until they were already seemingly obsoleted by RISC in the late '80s.
>eastern bloc
If you want wacky commie computers, my favorite are the various "DEC PDP-11 but squeezed into a keyboard form factor" PCs:
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There were a whole bunch of soviet ZX Spectrum clones, and some of them lasted well into the 90's. Computers were hard to get over there, and electronics savvy fans or engineers just cobbled their own together. Some of those projects became popular (e.g. Pentagon, Scorpion). They also made all sorts of improvements and hardware expansions, so it wasn't like they were stuck using a stock speccy.
And as far as "what's enough" to run basic office tasks, well Amstrad had good success selling 8-bit computers like their PCW line for low cost up until around 1995. These weren't anything special either, just a Z80 with 256-512K RAM, a floppy drive or two, and some custom "user friendly" software. But that market evaporated when Win95 came out, and everyone got injected with the Bill Gates virus. Also that's about around when the Internet started getting commercialized. But it was still pretty comfy and accessible back then, even if all you had was an 8-bit system (unlike today where they expect you to have supercomputer hardware to run the pozzed web browser of the day).
Video is a different and older Amstrad model, but those were also cool, because they could boot CP/M, but the default was to boot the BASIC in ROM. However you could also have like up to 16 other ROMs attached to an expansion, and each would provide its own functions instantaneously. So like this guy has the modem software in ROM, but you could also have a word processor in ROM, and that means you could power on the computer and start working immediately.
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>I think that was the answer. For instance, MOS & Zilog were charging 50 times less for their cloned 8-bit chips than Motorola & Intel were originally asking for the originals
So Jewntel basically had a monopoly on newer CPU development? I guess starting with the 386 and manufacturers like Cyrix and AMD making clones, that changed a bit. For mass consumer mobile devices and other embedded stuff not though.
>wacky commie computers
I'm german, so I prefer the "Robotron" brand of GDR computers. Just for the name alone...
What you said about the Web and WIn95, really seems very plausable to me. Before these developments, an 8bit computer really seemed enough if all you wanted to do was word processing, though until now I though home computers had pretty much died out with the IBM clones.
Comfy times. I wish I'd been born some 20 years earlier...
Now you have to have a fucking NSA/CIA nigger supercomputer in your pocket to make a payment and one needs to be a PR genius marketing oneself on social media to not be isolated from the groid.
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Interesting video. I hope the guy hasn't trooned out.
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>But that market evaporated when Win95 came out
i.e.: When IBM clones stopped being such absolute dogshit. Take a spin through Mobygames and you'll notice c. 1995 was when the DOS/Windows versions consistently looked at least on par with other platforms.

>until now I though home computers had pretty much died out with the IBM clones
The death of competitors during the late '80s was slow enough that many of them, even aside from Apple (Commodore, Atari, Acorn, NEC, Sharp, etc.), hung on as serious offerings into the early '90s. After that, it took another ~5 years for NT/Linux/x86 to kill off competing platforms in the higher workstation/server market.
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I was looking to buy a new computer in 1991, and they were still selling 286 systems as the "low end" for like $1000 or something. Next year the low end was 386SX, but I didn't buy a PC, I got an Amiga 500 instead (for less money). Only problem here is there was no HDD, whereas those came standard on PC. And to get a HDD expansion for Amiga 500, you had to pay nearly as much as the computer itself. And you could even cram an 68030 accelerator card or 80286 IBM PC computer card in there, if you had lots of extra money to spend (but at that point it's better and more cost-effective if you had bouth an Amiga 3000 to begin with). Eventually I did buy one from GVP with a small SCSI drive and 2 MB RAM expansion. I thought that would put an end to the endless floppy disk swapping, but it turns out a lot of games couldn't be installed to HD on Amiga. In retrospect, I'd have probably been better off spending the minimum and just getting an external floppy disk drive. But that in itself wouldn't have been perfect either, because some games only recognized the internal floppy drive, and the intructions even told you to disconnect all external drives. xD
So yeah, maybe should have just stayed on 8-bit after all. It was less hassles, and a lot less money. Much easier to program too!
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My family was in the same boat, we decided to stick with Apple. Upsides: SCSI, hi-rez video, full PCM sound, great keyboard & mouse, WAY less jank than anything else before or since. Downsides: Color cost a bazillion bux so we stuck to B&W for years, and
>Much easier to program too!
Yeah 8-bit systems coming with a Basic interpreter or two flashed onto the mobo and a book full of assembler docs packed in every box became a thing of the past.
lol I remeber that about the amiga.  good shit, though, and it really wasn't all that bad for the attention span of the era, especially if you came from loading games off of a casette tape.

But the 286 was  a 16-bit processor.  Obviously less gimpy than the 186, which just about dinty exist, but early attempts to make use of the extra address space and other features in very early windows, OS/2, and primitive DOS kludges really paled in comparison to what the 386's 32-bits and much more competently implemented protected mode could do.  So in some sense you kind of dodged a bullet by avoiding the 286 because it was about to be shuffled off to the discount rubbish bin once the 386 came out and you could really do things categorically better than what were basically glorified 8086s/8088s.
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I (zooomer fag) bought a 286 clone from ebay for around 40 bugs a while ago. Haven't done anything with it yet. I'd have to build an EGA and keyboard adapter somehow or get my hands on the original hardware somehow...
Sucks when you grown up in so much abundance that you can just buy something like that and then can't be bothered to do anything or get indepth with it... Propably was a retarded buy anyways.
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EGA card and monitor will be hard to find now. Better just get an ISA bus VGA card, and then you can use any recent VGA LCD. Around my area people are still selling their old 5:4 19-inch monitors for dirt cheap (~ 15 euros).
Also some old EGA cards couldn't do CGA modes for some reason. So that sucked when EGA was brand new, because most games were CGA (the ones that weren't just ouright in text mode).
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Also the keyboard port could be a standard DIN-5 connector, that's my 486 mobo had. If that's the case, it's very easy to find adaptors. I have a really old keyboard with a DIN-5 jack that I later had to buy a PS/2 adaptor for (when newer mobos got rid of DIN-5), and later on a second adaptor that converts PS/2 to USB.
On another note, people are still selling these old Minitel things for like 20 euros, and I'm not even sure what it could be used for.
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jesus.  EGA sucked.  Might as well try to find an EISA bus motherboard.  Skip that whole era.  Everybody junked that shit for a good reason, even if it was a curiously competative time in trying to get the PC platform out of purely business machines and into home computing.
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EGA is pretty comfy, IMO. CGA is much harder to make games with due to the very limited palette choices.
Never heard of that. A kind of "frenchnet". Very interesting concept and impressive that it was already widely used long before the spread of the internet. (early 80s till mid 90s) And that they kept the thing running till just about 8 years ago.

The PC a very unconventional clone, I think. It is made in Korea. The form factor is surprisingly thin and there is only space for 3 expansion cards which are inserted horizontally, not directly on the mainboard. I don't have access to the machine right now so I can't post pictures unfortunately. 
I found the "VintageComputerFederation" forum and might create an account there. Or are there better ressources?

What could I even do with such a machine? 
I imagine most of the good games of that era have been released for the home computers.
I thought using some of the utility software of that era. Maybe CAD software, or creating some database to keep track of my tea collection. That'd be fun.
I guess it's impossible to get Linux running on a 286, right?
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Note that 2-way systems such as Minitel were closely related to a much more widespread system, Teletext, which used the same technology as closed captioning for 1-way text broadcast services. Though virtually unknown in the USA, I understand it was pretty ubiquitously supported by TVs & channels in most other countries.
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Yeah minitel was huge in France, and it shows you don't actually need much hardware or bandwidth to run a big network, even with e-commerce! So it's too bad the WWW became such a monstrosity, when clearly the simpler alternative worked just fine.
The 286 won't run Linux, but you can install Minix 2 on it (which is what Linus Torvalds was using when he started his project). There are also tons of software for DOS you can find on sites like archive.org, textfiles.com, and winworldpc.com, along with scanned books and magazines. Also search for "SimtelNet" or "simtel.net" to find mirrors of this big repository that used to live on ftp.cdrom.com.
If you want to start programming in DOS, Turbo Pascal is a pretty good place to start. GW-BASIC works too (maybe even QBasic, might need later DOS version though, not sure). A surprising number of old DOS games were made in BASIC, including commercial ones.
Another cool thing you can do is plug in an NE2000 or other well-supported ISA bus Ethernet card and use the PC to access telnet BBS's (a "null modem" serial cable would work too, if you setup a Linux host as a shell server, as if you were dialing in to an ISP back in the 90's).

I've seen screenies of the british Teletext before, it looks pretty comfy. Too bad they pulled that one too. There's still a large number of telnet BBS's you can connect to, so that's something at least. I gather that most of them don't get much traffic though.
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You think I could still learn something useful about the lower level workings of computers and operating systems by reading ((( Tanenbaum ))) and installing minix on that 286?
Is it worth getting in depth with that architecture? I noticed programmers of that era like Linus weren't very fond of Intel processors and Linus was reluctanct to buy a 386 in the first place.
Maybe BASC aint so bad.

Well I need to get that machine running in the first place and I'm a hyperactive zoomer and am constantly getting new E-waste from the local dumpster for free. 
Nothing as retro as that though...
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>should have used plain text or some bullshit with control characters instead of the web
get a load of this boomer. it would have been no better. you can even see the blatant corpofaggotry in every single thing from DOS era
and terminal emulators are slow as fuck just like webshit. i also dont want to see flying rainbow colors everywhere while trying to read articles. its almost as if NEITHER of the solutions are good. the web is shit and anything do fucking do with ASCII and its retarded offspring is shit. fucking autistic penguin retard motherfuckers smh
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wait and i didnt even get to the other point. why the fuck would i want teletext whatever NTSC boomer garbage shoved into the ass crack of an NTSC signal which will just be 1000000000x more centralized and regulated due to being ((( NTSC ))). this is the most retarded fucking thing ive ever heard. it really shows that you boomers have no fucking idea about anything. just because something looks cool and tickles your autism, does not make it a viable replacement for a global communication medium, especially when even webshit of all things is far more decentralized than this garbage.
Ok thank you for the great advice. Everythings shit, might as well kms
You can definitely learn about OS design & implemention if you read his books, and I suppose Minix 2 is still a good choice (much simpler than Linux!)
As far as the hardware goes, ok sure the 286 isn't perfect. It has the weird x86 memory management (no linear addressing like on m68k), but it's still much simpler overall than any of the modern hardware short of perhaps microcontrollers. But those need another computer (and various tookits) to program them, you generally can't just sit down in front of them with keyboard and monitor plugged in and have fun like with a 1980's computer. Granted, there are some "retro" projects based on microcontrollers, but you're better off with the real thing, given how much wealth of software and documentation there is. The "retro" stuff are really just novelties in comparison, with very little software and poor documentation. Probably better to just build your own computer at that point (like the guy in video did), since you'll learn more that way.
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I use googlebot browser UwU
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Ok, great! Am I right in my assumptions that the dsub connector is ega?
As for keyboard I don't know right now. I couldn't find any pictures of the whole i/o back and don't have access to the machine right now.
Getting basic peripherals for the machine is still my biggest problem.
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But indeed I think they looked like DIN connectors
Can't tell from just the connector. You'll have to inspect the display adapter card that cable is connected to, see what markings and chips are on it.
And here's a 386 with DIN-5 connector (next to the power connector and battery).
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Very interesting. Also noteworthy how cramped my clone is compared to most PCs of that era. It only has around 3 usable expansion slots.
A 386 would also be nice to get sometime just for teh true linux experience. For now I've started using Slackware on a SFF HP EliteDesk hooked up to a CRT which has a similar feel even though it's modern hardware.
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Why is 1984chan so shit......
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By the way, below is the full copypasta.

Fact 1. Windows ships with more spyware than any other OS in existence:

Fact 2. Microsoft not only shits on the user's software freedom, but on their real life meatworld right to privacy, by vigorously collaborating with intelligence agencies to spy on you:

Fact 3. Windows Update has been observed to frequently re-install software that the user has chosen to remove:

Fact 4. Windows Update sporadically deletes user data:

Fact 5. Microsoft is the most pozzed, globohomo corporation on earth:

Fact 6. Microsoft donates over 1 billion US dollars a year to far-left groups such as:
>Black Lives Matter
>Open Society Foundation
>OutRight Action
>Act To Change
>BEAM (Black Emotional Mental Health Collective)
>The Trevor Project

Fact 7. The overwhelming majority of pedophiles who were caught by the popular show To Catch a Predator, were users of Windows and Mac OS X, as the overwhelming majority were initially communicated with in AOL and Yahoo chat rooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWEidFZwYk (To Catch a Predator! The AIM CHAT LOGS: Ballad of Tony Long Dong!) [9:46]

Fact 8. Crucial components of Windows have been shown to use their own rotating selections of MS-approved DNS resolvers regardless of what the administrator configures, with the explicit purpose of bypassing the hosts file and even hardware filtering setups:

Fact 9. There is no one left at Microsoft who can refactor any significant portion of the codebase, so they just keep piling shit on top of shit:

Fact 10. Microsoft works closely with George Soros and the Open Society Foundation (which owns an enormous amount of Microsoft stock, and receives millions of dollars a year from Microsoft in return):
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>Fact 9. There is no one left at Microsoft who can refactor any significant portion of the codebase, so they just keep piling shit on top of shit

I remember there was a repost of an anon who was ex-ms and ranted about his work experience. This is what I remember what he talked about as to why the software-side of microdick winblows sucks so hard.

-- Management blackballs developers from fixing bugs if there are "compatibility issues".
-- Management is filled with brown-nosing ex-fratbros who know more about social politicking than software. These managers are also emotionally unstable and will full-bore-yell at you like a drug-addicted ghetto-dad.
-- the main compiler for windows has the most barest of bare form of error reporting if anything goes wrong. It just outputs a number, one number for everything, and then you have to spend time trying to figure out where things went wrong.
-- Management made the devs design the UI in powerpoint. That's why everything is so flat and shit.
-- Management thinks they know better than absolutely everyone.

And I don't think he mentioned it, but there's something I would like to point out that is godfuckingawful and prevalent in corporate circles (this includes microdick). It's an employment thing called "The Relative Evaluation System," basically, in employment teams, corporate forces mid-level-managers (by threat of terminated employment, I think) to give lower evaluation scores to certain people, even if by all accounts they performed exactly as well as everyone else.

Why does this exist? Well officially it's to "encourage competition among the workforce,". In practice, this encourages all of the worst things about workplace and corporate drama: brown-nosers get more advancement than the technical workers, people who do diligence end up passed for promotion repeatedly, work camaraderie becomes Survivor the Reality Show but it's for your fucking job (minus the challenges), and it actually kills competition in the workforce.

Everything Reddit and SJWs call "toxic"? Relative evaluation fucking encourages that shit.
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I found it in about a minute by searching on r/4chan. I instinctively knew that it was something significant enough for a fat autistic ledditor to steal it, and I was right.
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boomers > soyjacks
Well, soyjaks are supposed to be ugly, because they're making fun of soyboys and other "people" (double quotes intentional). Logically, the people that would hate them the most would be the people that find them the most relatable.
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That was it! Thanks man!
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Out of curiosity I watched the first 20 minutes this C video with 9 million views and its extraordinarily bad https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KJgsSFOSQv0. Ignoring the idea that you can learn C in four hours, the way the language is presented is horrible. He states that the preprocessor directives (He doesn't call them this or anything) are important for the program to work, but says absolutely nothing more. He called the main function a "method" which is used NOWHERE in the ISO spec to reference the main function, other functions, or anything in the language really except something in math.h. He called printf statements "instructions" as well.
Normally this wouldn't matter but it has been watched by 9 million people. There are people that would've learned enough to write FizzBuzz or whatever other shit companies are using to filter out liars while understanding absolutely nothing about the underlying language. These are people may very well be posting on /g/ and reddit about the language and giving advice to other people.

All this because the educational material is full of crap. I'm sure almost anyone bar the mentally challenged could learn C proficiently. Of course, in order for this to happen the educational materials need to be good, which they aren't, which these people have no idea about because they've never programmed before and are getting fucked from the get go by a trashy channel handing out "certifications".
>watching jewtube video
You already fucked it up at that point.
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This. Imagine who is watching videos to learn a programming language instead of reading tutorials or books. It is just the right product for the right customer.
Gimme back her hair.
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Honestly. It could be a -lot- worse.

When I was in school, my programming classes the teacher didn't fucking engage with us AT ALL. The book I was handed, I was basically told to "Do this," and what that amounted to was basically copypasting code mentally from book to IDE. 

No teaching of how shit works, no care for what your students are doing, just "get this shit done and hand it into me, I don't care what you do."
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>"Do this," and what that amounted to was basically copypasting code mentally from book to IDE
Still better than what my uni did to freshman. First semester class, first week, here's this weird home-made 8-bit microcontroller, we're going to write a program for this. Most of the students never wrote any program at this point, not even in a high-level programming language, they only teached in a separate class two weeks later what a variable is. But they were somehow expected to write a program in assembly for a custom architecture, so you can't even search the net how that shit works. In the end everyone just copy-pasted the slides (they had the solutions, because otherwise no-one would pass, but zero explanation)... and that was it. (Later they experimented with including the solutions as images so you can't copy-paste it, but that just made things worse.) I don't think anyone learned anything from that, other than hating that whole class.
Learning to code is not easy, as it's not just learn a few rules and you're done type of thing. It requires a different mindset, which requires time, dedication, exploration and a lot of mental work. If you're not willing to help with this, then don't be a teacher for fucks sake.
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Introducing computer science to newfags is a can of worms, too. A couple of relatives recommended to me the CS50 course from Harvard: https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2022/
It's supposedly a tour of the tools used to get students ready for writing code, so here's the lessons included:
>Week 0 Scratch
>Week 1 C
>Week 2 Arrays
>Week 3 Algorithms
>Week 4 Memory
>Week 5 Data Structures
>Week 6 Python
>Week 7 SQL
>Week 8 HTML, CSS, JavaScript
>Week 9 Flask
>Week 10 Emoji
So far, it's not as awful as when I had to take a CS intro class once. Thankfully, I quit college and even got a refund for the class, too. There's one nice thing about online courses: they're not too expensive at all.
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I love how it immediately jumps from Scratch (Pretty alright for what it is) to C instead of Scratch -> HTML/CSS -> Javascript -> Python.

Funny story. When I was a freshman in High School I took a Computer Programming I class and everyone started out by writing simple websites with HTML and CSS. In the 2nd part of the year everyone worked with Scratch. That teacher was a fucking idiot and when I started exploring programming myself and asked him about C he said
>"There's no reason to learn C since its obsolete. C++ and C# are its successors so you should just focus on C#"
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what >>8912 says, odd that they teach you C before baby languages like Python, that probably creates a lot of contempt and anger to programming newfags
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It's also annoying that some other students think that all programming languages work the same way:
<lol C sucks because it doesn't have string interpolation like Python
Or when they rely on IDE magic to program without understanding how it actually works. Perhaps programming should be first taught using Nano editor (or Notepad++) and without syntax highlighting. But the language needs to be simple. Note that I'm not saying that syntax highlighting is harmful in general but at first it may be harmful for learning. 

I firmly believe that an introductory programming course should use 2 different languages (like Lua and Java, or something similar). Also, I think that programming should be taught using unit tests (meaning that the teacher writes the unit tests and students' programs must pass those test).
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and going from Scratch to C is like dropkicking a bird out of the nest
>odd that they teach you C before baby languages like Python
Actually, it might not be a bad idea, provided you want to actually learn to code and not just slack around. You can take the easy route in Python/Lua/whatever, but if you want to write in C, you're forced to understand what you're doing, otherwise you'll never debug your memory corruption errors. It also has much less hidden complexity/costs, it's easy to forget about that string manipulation is expensive when you can just + two string together, but if you have to allocate a new buffer, manually copy the two strings, then free the old, it's painfully obvious.
It's useful to know this, even if you're going to program in a higher level language later.
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Syntax highlighting is the least a text editor could do. It should be fine to keep it, just get rid of all of the other IDE fluff.
I think anyone could learn C provided they have the right resources. There's lots of garbage on the internet and in real life that overcomplicates things and gets details wrong. Studying parts of the C standard itself really helps in understanding the nature of the language.
I can sort-of understand why that course is structured that way. Not only is it good to expose yourself do different languages, but Python has far different applications than C, and both of them are used together in big fields (like machine learning), so knowing both opens way more doors than just C or Python alone.
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Yeah, syntax highlighting is similar to a spellchecker, so it shouldn't cause that much braindamage to newbies. Something that does legitimately cause problems for people who never wrote without it is autocomplete/autosuggest.

Regarding C and newbies, I would make a comparison to the assembler of very low-end ISAs, e.g. 6502 or AVR ATtiny. It is rigid and unforgiving, but it is also so simple that it can be learned to the level of productive competence very quickly and easily. For the same reason, a short course of study in some sort of assembler is also a good idea, even if one doesn't intend to actually target it.
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Turbo Pascal had a nice IDE, and the language has less gotchas than C, so it was good as a teaching tool. You can still use it today (pic is FreePascal on Linux, it looks very much like the DOS version) but few people know about it. Some roguelike games are still made with it though.
And actually Turbo Pascal was available for CP/M-80, and there you could really see how well designed the IDE was, compared to others at the time.
Between that, BASIC, simple asm, plus full access to the entire hardware, an 8080 or Z80 computer was a good system to learn on.
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A little something you might find fun:
I have been thinking about learning it. 

If anyone is interested, here are the resources that I have collected so far:
Pascal & Object Pascal/Delphi
* Why (Object)Pascal? - https://www.kamremake.com/devblog/pascal-the-best-of-both-worlds/comment-page-1/ & https://archive.fo/Er8W0 ( http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/7/144019/8872  link dead)
* Why not (Object)Pascal? - https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html 
* FreePascal is the preferred libre Pascal compiler.
* Turbo Pascal used to be the best Pascal compiler (or rather full toolchain that included an IDE).
** It had great manuals too: https://turbopascal.org/turbo-pascal-download (scroll down to download the manuals)
* Delphi is the Object Pascal compiler for Windows. You can make GUI programs with, too. Lazarus is similar (libre) IDE for FreePascal.
* Some resources (https://wiki.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_Lazarus_Books_and_Magazines):
** FreePascal from Square One by Jeff Duntemann: http://www.copperwood.com/pub/FreePascalFromSquareOne.pdf (very noob friendly)
** Modern Object Pascal Introduction for Programmers by Michalis Kamburelis: http://castle-engine.io/modern_pascal_introduction.pdf
** Free Pascal and Lazarus - A textbook on programming by Alekseev E.R., Chesnokova O.V., Kucher T.V.,: https://sourceforge.net/p/lazarus-wiki-projects/code/ci/master/tree/FPC_Lazarus_Textbook/
I still mix boxer as an editor.  That era of text mode tools really had it in gear, including turbo debugger.  Oh well it's been far more useful to have to suffer the growing pains of learning enough emacs to get around and just enough vi to not die from it.
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Soyjak is low effort cancer and just a way of saying "I'm not mad". If you post it you are the biggest fucking unoriginal 9gag reposting cancer. Even if you're an oldfag you probably joined in jovially with all the gay forced memes like millhouse, bane, derp, and sus. You probably think boomer is an insult. Faggots like you reduce threads to just 2 sides posting soyjaks back and forth. Please kill yourself. Imageboards were good until faggots like you came along and brought your ego in. Oldfags like me only understand. Newfag soy bug cattle like you should fuck off forever back to leftypol. There, did I spoonfeed you enough? Even though you deserve nothing. I hope you kill yourself after I wasted this much time spoonfeeding your ignorant ass.
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>Soyjak is low effort cancer and just a way of saying "I'm not mad". If you post it you are the biggest fucking unoriginal 9gag reposting cancer. Even if you're an oldfag you probably joined in jovially with all the gay forced memes like millhouse, bane, derp, and sus. You probably think boomer is an insult. Faggots like you reduce threads to just 2 sides posting soyjaks back and forth. Please kill yourself. Imageboards were good until faggots like you came along and brought your ego in. Oldfags like me only understand. Newfag soy bug cattle like you should fuck off forever back to leftypol. There, did I spoonfeed you enough? Even though you deserve nothing. I hope you kill yourself after I wasted this much time spoonfeeding your ignorant ass.
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>gay forced memes like [...] bane
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nyaggers > soyjacks
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I've been programming for some time now, and if I had to design a course for newfags I couldn't think of a worse way to do it. 
> Arrays before Memory

Also scratch does not have threads, so don't bother with that playschool crap.
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What about intermediate programming practices? 

One of the biggest problems I've always had with when programming- and one of the things that FUCKING NOBODY seems to teach about, is how aspects of the language "click together" and interact with each other. Like, I can understand the basic-bitch variables, functions, the building blocks, and how to read the manual, but I never get told the methods, the means and the process.

It's like showing an artist all these fancy oil paints to use, and how to mix them, but never telling them why you put liquid white on the canvas first, or how light to be with your strokes for the background, or why overblending just fucks your painting up, or the importance of the fat over lean rule..
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What exactly do you mean by "intermediate programming practices"? Are you referring to how people style their programs? How people design them? Would people using <stdint.h> but not explaining why be a good example of your questions origin?
Or, maybe what you really want is to understand the philosophy of programming languages? How everything fits together at a deeper level and why it fits together a particular way? It feels like your second and third paragraphs are a bit different.
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>>8966 (checked)
Actually, every single example you listed applies. But really, the most egregious problems I have with programming teachers are the following:

>People using <stdint.h> (or any other crucial libraries) and not explaining why you have it.
>How people actually design programs.
>How everything fits together at a deeper level and why it fits together a particular way

The second and third paragraphs are different because that was the closest way I could illustrate my frustrations with people who teach programming.
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> How I do source directory and use CMake?!?

It would be easier if a teacher sat you down and said, "this is how you create a generic source directory, how to use CMake, and how do write main()." But then that would actually be teaching and the Boomers and Xers that hold teaching positions in the US are niggerfaggotcunts who don't know how to do those things them selves or just let visual studio code do it for them and don't even know what Emacs is. Education is a lie. Be me, everything I've ever been paid for I either learned on the job, from video tutorials and manuals, or figured out my self. I just looked at what other projects on Github or Gitlab were doing and mixed-in what I though was good way to layout source directories and CMake. 

The only programming class I ever took was Intro To Java and by end of the year most students had dropped out and I could actually write Java well enough to make a basic text adventure game after the class ended. The first day of class everyone had to do 'hello world' -- just copy the text the teacher put on the board -- and most of the class couldn't even do that. Many students tried closing '{' with another '{'. Lunacy. That was the last semester I went to college because it was obviously a ponzi scheme exploiting young people and my teacher was a fat idiot. I'm so bitter about this because I used to think old people were in authority and worth paying attention to. Now I think they are shit and don't deserve any respect and that social security is taxation without representation because boomers and xers decided to stop having children because of climate change so now there are too many old people getting free money form the government and not enough young people were born to pay for the dumb old people who think they are entitled to golden parachutes. Soon after the e-RMB becomes the oil-dollar, then the US will turn into Mad Max and the boomers and xers can all die in bread lines.

Basically I agree with you, but most classes just focus on the art of computer science and don't teach the field like a trade. Which is dumb because the field is basically a trade.
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Been meaning to post the same reply.
Computer science -> Computer science -> Computer science
Computer science is applied math and logic. It is about solving puzzles in a well-defined manner. Computer science to writing programs is architectural physics to actual construction.
>>8911 may be an introduction to computer science, but it has absolutely nothing to do with writing programs. People take programming skills as granted with a computer science degree, colleges teach anything but that. Programming is a trade and skills need to be honed. There are rules of thumb and other heuristics to structuring programs and doing it the "right" way. The essence is in the experiences and reasons behind them.
The skill of programming is lost just like generational wealth is lost. It is everyone by themselves now to read and write enough to recover the lost art of programming.
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Is this SOVL or trash? (picture taken with my Nintendo 2DS; I don't own a satanphone)
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>all dat nasty trash piled around the desk
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Programming education is horrifically bad. The worst of it is stuff like >>8896 (me) and lots of other books and online guides are bad as well, deceptively so. One fallacious statement that I've seen a lot is "C is a small language". This is true, but RELATIVE to other programming languages. C itself is inherently a large set of information to digest (with an even larger ecosystem built around it over decades) and I don't think its possible to learn it properly in a month without relegating yourself to mediocrity for a long time, maybe forever (And with this in mind, how many expert C++ programmers exist when the language is many times larger than C with a standard (2020) over three times as long as the C99 standard (and with around three times as much text per page on top of it)? It must be nightmarish for the C++ compiler writers...).
I'll admit something pretty dumb: I'm still in the process of learning C and have had trouble doing it in the past (out of a lack of motivation, not a lack of understanding). This time I'm reading the ISO standard >>8950 in parallel with King's book (C Programming A Modern Approach 2nd Ed.) and I feel like I understand C on level that I haven't before and am way more eager to build stuff with it. King's book is good not only because it conveys ideas in an easy to understand way, but because it procedurally builds on top of concepts it has already taught, slowly and steadily moves through the language (if a little boringly), properly introduces concepts and elements of the language (with margin notes pointing to further elaboration later in the book), and sticks close to the standard itself, most notably in its vocabulary. The first chapter starts out explaining the inherent nature of C and gives some historical context, which I've found to be quite important and if you want a history lesson yourself this a good page: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/chist.html (Richie himself explains why C needed to be created and the philosophy behind its various design elements).

>What about intermediate programming practices? 
You need to find a good learning resource. Simple as. I used C since its what I'm learning but for whatever you're trying to understand you need to research yourself and pay attention to the details that matter (like the ones I shed light on in my 2nd paragraph). Sorry if my post as a whole looks weird, I'm tired and cut out huge parts of it that went beyond the scope of this question.
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My mother told me this. You don't have to Peterson. I also wash after masturbating and never have had smegma.

It's trash.
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I'm convinced at this point the very first program Archfags install once they've got the OS up and running is Neofetch so they can tell everyone on the internet about it.
Its... nothing. Its some random monitor next to a half-blocked random keyboard atop a dirty desk. Better than Apple products or something like that at least.
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am i banned?
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I am not banned
Oh, you missed the cool part... the matching cute&funny wallpaper on both the computer and the dumbphone.
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WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK I FUCKING HATE MICROSHIT TEAMS; SLOW AS FUCK PIECE OF SHIT WEB APP THAT REQUIRES A GORILLION BOTNET BROWSER FEATURES TO RUN.........!!! My school even has a Moodle instance up and running, but no teacher considers that! They prefer to make us use some barely-running janky proprietary bullshit, just because it's made by a "trusted" satanic company or something...!! Not a surprise though, the goal of school is to make all people learn to be good little NWO slaves from a young age https://digdeeper.club/articles/school.xhtml
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>Uhh, listen here chuddy. How are kids going to learn about the importance of transgender dance theory if they don't go to school? Under absolutely no circumstance should children be learning marketable skills or skills that can be put towards their career or improving the outcome of their life. That is from a bygone era where cis white men ruled the world. Why learn about welding or software development when you can learn about why Columbus was a racist colonizer instead? You will sit down for 7 hours a day doing absolute fucking nonsense wasting the most valuable time to be learning practical skills instead memorizing absolutely useless shit that you will forget 1 year later because that just the way it is. Ok? Then once you are completed with that you will go spend another 2-6 years fucking around and maybe you'll learn something.
Fuck that. Bring back guilds. 

>web app
Didn't even know Microsoft Teams was built using Electron. Sometimes I feel as if this software was designed in the depths of hell by Moloch himself. What is even the point? Have people forgotten how to make desktop software?
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>Didn't even know Microsoft Teams was built using Electron
Basically zero popular nu-telecommuting platforms have a native client. That means Zoom, Slack, Discord, Signal, Line, etc. The only exception I'm aware of is Telegram. Heck, even the scene for Matrix development is so web-centric that it only got a webshit-free videoconferencing feature as a result of the nheko client.

Quick reminder that an earlier M$ acquisition in the same vein that has now vanished from relevance, Skype, started out as a mostly decentralized P2P backend with public APIs for 3rd-party devs, and svelte native clients for Win/Mac/Linux/mobile. Also that before M$ switched completely to Electron for Skype's client, its UI had already been agglomerating from a sane multi-window/palette non-modal design using appropriate native widgets, into the all-encompassing single-window blob with "sleek" non-native widgets typical of web "apps".
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Actually, it has a native qt5 client on Linux, not sure about the other platforms.
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I used to telecommute 10+ years ago, just logged in via ssh and did my work. Sometimes sent an email or called someone on my landline phone. Didn't even have to use any chat client.
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>telecommute 10+ years ago
But that was real telecommuting, not this nu-telecommuting invented by normalfags and managers with room-temperature IQs that consists of holding pointless multiple-hour long meetings because they think the only way to "work" is to constantly babble nonsense while not doing anything productive.
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Huh, I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to look more closely and make sure it doesn't cheat by using QTWebKit for a ton of stuff.

It really is amazing that when lockdown finally forced office drones out of meatspace, corporate's top priority was duplicating the exact least valuable part of going to the office.
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Fuck that's cool. What do you need to learn to hack electronic gadgets like that? Right now this looks like magic to me.
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What is it with autists and Fag Apple?
Anyways, that's a pretty cool video, but enormously pales in comparison to the magic of this guy https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IehwV2K60r8
>What do you need to learn to hack electronic gadgets like that? Right now this looks like magic to me.
Documentation (online), EE knowledge, and low-level programming experience. Its based on an MOS 6502 processor (specifically, something in the 65C02 family). Very popular CPU with no shortage of documentation https://visual6502.org/
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you fags  need to stop using boards wrong  or just get rid of b and v and now tech too? Also avoiding the letter on a site with no g proves ur ill after all this time after 8 died
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2hu is the modern Lena
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b is unusable with the stupid captcha, most of the time it doesn't even work right.
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