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Welcome >>>/bmn/ ! Bad movies every saturday.


Hello and welcome to zzzchan! I will be using this thread to explain how this site is set up and answer the initial wave of questions. Thread creation on /meta/ will be locked initially, I will explain how this will be handled going forward below.

Now, to answer some initial questions:

>Who the fuck are you? Who are the other mods?
I am sturgeon, I was a mod back on fat/v/ and later z/v/. fat/v/ was my first role as a moderator in any capacity. I'm happy to say that Pasta and seagull have also stuck around and will be managing /v/. r9k's BO will also be back.

>Nice namefagging
I intend to only use my name & role tag when posting something relevant to my role or the site. 

>Why have you set this up?
Because zchan was doing fairly well before the admin pulled the plug without warning. I'd been considering making my own IB since fat died but once zchan went down I decided I had to make the effort. 

>Will you abandon this after x amount of time?
I've gone through the effort of setting all this up after losing 2 previous boards. I'm doing this because I want it to, and I plan to keep this place running as long as I can. 

>why zzzchan?
It's new, but familiar. Also Pasta worked very hard on the new logo, be sure to say nice things about it to him directly.

>How is this any more secure than the last jschan iterations?
This site is being run on 2 dedicated servers, one running the application and the other functioning as a proxy. All traffic to and from the app server is being routed through the proxy server. The app server is also set to drop any connection that is not from said proxy, so even if you knew the app server's ip you'd have no way of proving that it's running this site. the app server is also forcing ipv6, which should keep it safe from crawlers like Shodan and the like while also making it harder to ddos. This is a much simpler setup than what I initially outlined on /geimu/ but it covers all of the important functionality. I can also still decouple the db into it's own server if I want to, and I can add extra proxy/app servers if needed (though spare proxies will go farther).

  tl;dr : the only real attack surface is the proxy server, the app server simply goes invisible if there is no proxy,  and I can spool up more proxies/have a hot spare if anything happens to the current one. 

>Is all of this working perfectly?
Not quite, there are 2 bugs right now:

1. Real-time post updates are not working. I still need to work out how to get websockets to go through the proxy properly. you will see the error switch back to timed refresh after a few seconds, so auto update is still semi-working.
2. Geoip flags are all inheriting the proxy server's location. I've already solved this issue with post IDs so I have a rough idea of what I need to do to fix this, but it is not high priority.
I also fully expect shenanigans immediately after launch, so if anything happens I will be working to fix it as fast as I can.

>Are you going to add new boards? How are you going to handle adding boards?
I do not plan on adding new boards for at least a couple weeks, until things stabilize. I plan on having an application process for prospective BOs. I have not fully written this process out but here's a rough outline:
1. I will announce that I am accepting applications for new boards. All applicants will be directed to a specific email address where they will submit their answers to a few questions, such as:
  A. What would the focus of your board be?
  B. What would the rules be?
  C. How would you handle xyz hypothetical scenario? 
  D. There may be more questions, I still need to decide.
2. I would review and pick a handful (likely 3) of the best applications and talk a bit with the applicants directly to get them ready to launch their boards. Launches would likely be staggered by a day or two.
3. I would announce the new board prior to launch and give the new BO a dedicated thread on /meta/ to talk to you all directly. This is so the BO can answer questions/recruit vols.
4. The new board goes live and I will help the new BO manage it for x amount of time. Boards that get over a certain amount of activity will be encouraged to have at least 1 vol.

I reserve the right to deny any board for any reason, but I do not plan on turning boards away simply due lack of interest on my part. I think variety is important. The real purpose of this entire process is to prevent first come/first served situations like back on 8chan and to not have a list full of dead boards. It's experimental, so if something about this process isn't working I'm open to discussing it. If you would like to apply for the first batch of new boards then I encourage you to make a quick draft but hold on to it until I make an announcement. 

>How are you going to handle updating/fixing the site and downtime?
If the issue is not critical I will wait until slow hours to work on fixing anything. For anything that might cause noticeable downtime I will make an announcement at least a few hours ahead. Keep an eye on the news and /meta/. If it's urgent, I will make an announcement but it will be very short notice. I should look into making some kind of external display for them.

Feel free to ask any other questions/make suggestions in this thread, I will create another thread for identifying any bugs that may not have been caught in the testing period. This is my first time as an admin and I'd like to not fuck this up, so I'm counting on all of you to point out when something isn't working be it software or policy.
This thread is for handling boards from other sites that wish to migrate here/have been orphaned if public thread creation is locked on /meta/. If public thread creation is open you are free to make a dedicated thread here, otherwise I will make one for you.

The rules for migration are : 
- All Migrating/orphaned boards will be considered outside of the application cycle and should contact me at the same email address listed below.
- I will require proof that you are/were the BO/mod on another imageboard, or that the moderation team for the board in question has fallen apart.
- You must agree to follow all global rules for this site.
- You must agree to actively moderate the new board.
- If accepted, you must notify anons on the old board if it still exists. I do not mind If zzzchan is used as a bunker until a migration can be coordinated/ anons are comfortable making the switch. The new board will be unlisted in this type of scenario and will not be announced util ready.

Feel free to ping me at [email protected] in case of a happening. I'll come right here.
Use this thread to report any issues you find while using the site. We currently have 2 known issues: 


1. Real-time post updates are not working. I still need to work out how to get websockets to go through the proxy properly. you will see the error switch back to timed refresh after a few seconds, so auto update is still semi-working.
2. Geoip flags are all inheriting the proxy server's location. I've already solved this issue with post IDs so I have a rough idea of what I need to do to fix this, but it is not high priority.

I also fully expect shenanigans immediately after launch, so if anything happens I will be working to fix it as fast as I can. Your help here is appreciated.
EDIT 9/17: APPLICATIONS ARE NOW OPEN FOREVER. FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT ONE AT ANY TIME.
I will leave the rest of the post intact, please ignore the special stipulations.

Hello and welcome to the fist round of BO applications for zzzchan. I will outline the application process below, along with some special stipulations for this first round.

To apply for a board, you must submit your answers to the following questions: 

1. What will the focus of your board be?
2. What will the rules be?
3. How would you handle the following hypothetical scenarios:
    A. A user who is only breaking the rules of your board has a substantial post history that is perfectly fine up until the single instance you are reviewing. What do you do?
    B. A spammer posts CP. What do you do?
    C. A spammer has slid your catalog and all unpinned threads are gone. What do you do?
4. What time range(s) would you normally be able to keep an eye on the board?
5. If your board becomes active enough, do you agree to look for one or more vol(s) to help you? Do you know anyone already?
6. Why do you want to be a moderator for this board?

STIPULATIONS FOR ROUND 1
- I will be taking applications for up to three boards, two of which are reserved. 
- The 2 reserved boards are /b/ and /tech/, the third can be anything else, though I'd prefer to hold off on porn boards.
- Applicants for /b/ do not need to provide answers to questions 1&2 or hypotheticals A&C. /b/ will be global rules only.
- /b/ & /tech/ will only be added if I get a good application for them. A lack of applications for either will not open another slot for a different board.

STIPULATIONS FOR ALL ROUNDS
- I am not looking to add /pol/ at this time. If this ever changes I will announce it.
- I am also not going to accept boards dedicated to more extreme fetishes. Nothing akin to /abdl/.
- I am not looking to poach certain boards that exist elsewhere on the webring. For example: as much as I'd love to have /k/ here I do not wish to split what's left of 8/k/ between here and anon.cafe.
- If I like you application but do not add your board in a given round, I will let you know and may even reserve a slot in the next round. Obsolete rule
- If your application falls a bit short I may prompt you to fill in the gaps. 
- I reserve the right to not accept boards based purely on their focus. This does not mean I will deny boards I have no interest in, such as /r9k/. I think variety is important for imageboards.

STIPULATIONS FOR ORPHANED/MIGRATING BOARDS FROM OTHER SITES 
- All Migrating/orphaned boards will be considered outside of the application cycle and should contact me at the same email address listed below.
- I will require proof that you are/were the BO/mod on another imageboard, or that the moderation team for the board in question has fallen apart.
- You must agree to follow all global rules for this site.
- You must agree to actively moderate the new board.
- If accepted, you must notify anons on the old board if it still exists. I do not mind If zzzchan is used as a bunker until a migration can be coordinated/ anons are comfortable making the switch. The new board will be unlisted in this type of scenario and will not be announced until ready.

Other than all that, I am now accepting applications at  [email protected]  , I look forward to your applications!
WE NEED A /pol/ RIGHT NOW!!!!
ARRRRGGGGGHHHHH
RIGHT NOW I SAY
RIGHT NOW
THIS INSTANT!!!!
There's issues like not having a unique recognizable Tor ID and gifs with transparency having borked thumbnails, but they never get fixed. Is anyone still developing this code?
Should the fish make a political board?

WARNING: If the thread gets deleted despite not breaking any existing rules, I will remake it while fish is asleep. You will not censor us.
>>3293
Any attempt to organize will be met by fed and ddos and other bs the admins won't want to deal with. You'll have to settle for passive aggressive comments in unrelated threads and posting in onion sites people only check monthly. They won't let another Trump happen. The internet is being sanitized and you are unwelcome in the nwo. You want to have free speech? It's going to look like speakeasies from the prohibition.
Instead of going full /a/-tier on your moderation in this meta board for meta threads, why not make a /pol/ board? Or are you still too scared to do it?
BOLD POSTING IS BROKEN  ' ' '  DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE FOR SOME REASON
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FUCKED IT UP BUY PLS FIX
'test'
Random people from 4chan, kohl, and wherever people linked this site to are now shitting the board.
You may want to do something before it gets out of hand.
Please make an even worse captcha, thanks.
Post board ideas that could have been possible rather than still born shits like /vhs/, /a/, /hikki/, /fa/, and /tg/. 

Also, when will the rest of the aforementiond boards be deleted?
What the devil is this, and what's the point?
For too long the webring has been influenced by the whims of /tech/ wizards and xenophobia rather than by those who wish to have fun with like-minded individuals. The purpose of imageboards has always been a gathering point for discussion and creation of OC, and yet increasingly we see the webring eroding away as boards find themselves unable to retain users as bad actors continue to abuse the naturally reclusive nature of anon to force those who hold out into tighter-knit communities that continuously eat away at their own userbase in the hopes of maintaining the illusion of an organized state of affairs that simply no longer exists, and shutting up any dissent to this status quo. 8chan is dead. 4chan is controlled by the enemy. The anonymous alternatives outside of the webring are generally cancer, and the deep web and peer-to-peer websites will always be too niche. The old gods of lulz have lead to a warlord-like state that is not conducive to generating discussion, while the bastions of culture and historical precedence we have held up as the new gods of the webring have failed to provide us with a means of retention as they cannibalize their own and grow increasingly corrupt. We talk of fallbacks and archives, and yet in the midst of a new season of anime  boards like /animu/ and /a/ are at all-time lows during the cusp of a new season, with core members of the old 8chan stronghold being chased away from even engaging in the webring over technicalities and us-vs-them mentalities. Some even go so far as to violate the essence of the webring at the mere mention of outsiders appearing, while others actively stab their counterparts in the back to hold onto these few users that still hold out for a brighter future. 

What do we have to show for our preservation of the old guard? Absolutely nothing. A dying userbase across a scattering of websites where even those who considered themselves defenders of this status quo are unable to come to grips with the reality that they are a dying breed, or who try to stand stoicly in the face of death when they could so easily roll out of the way of the death blow because they lack the courage to face the future head-on. When others notice these things and address the elephant in the room, they are smacked down by their peers like crabs in a bucket, or the /tech/ wizards who lord over their serfs look upon them with disdain and cackle about how they can always start their own imageboard whilst smacking down any attempts by the serfs to rise above their masters with ridicule and scorn, as was seen first-hand by many after the fall of Julay last year when several attempts at a better tomorrow were snuffed out, entirely ignored after pledging technical support, or mocked by the "elite" in charge of the most popular webring websites.

I'm not here to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt, but I won't play around with formalities and putting on appearances to suck up to the current "heads of state" as they be either. If I thought this was a problem that could be fixed by money I'd be more than willing to throw four figures worth (USD) at the problem, but the only solutions money can buy require time and investments, as well as a willingness on the part of either the acting front-runners of the webring (something they would never agree to given the radically different approach I propose) or third parties that would naturally not be trusted. The fact of the matter is, when an organization of any kind is faced with a looming, imminent death, they have three choices:
1) Surrender.
2) Die like dogs.
3) Adapt.

I propose that it is high time that the webring as we know it adapt if it wishes to see a future that isn't a slow, bleak, death march that can never be recovered from since we are well into this critical juncture. One must adapt, yet we are constantly in fear of adaptation as it brings the unknown, an uncertainty that what we know and love may just disappear. I propose an alternate interpretation based on my personal interactions within and outside the webring as a wandering imageboard nomad:
Your childhood is dead. Everything you know and love has already dissipated into archival obscurity.
Rejoice, for you now have the option to become your own man not tied and bound to the whims of anyone. As the Greek philosophers of the past had reasoned, you have actualized and are not bound by the whims of those who wish to control you. Do not fall for the chaotic memes of many bad actors in this newfound enlightenment. There are those who seek you harm, there are those who seek to control you, and no rules the likes of which many have tried to espouse after becoming drunk off this realization.

I propose a new imageboard, or rather a new paradigm shift. I propose an adaptation that seeks to keep the spirit of anonymity and preserve anon's right to post loli cunny and say nigger without being beholden by the strict xenophobia of the webring or drowning in an ocean of cancerous piss the likes of 4chan. A board that is driven by tbe ideals of an old, forgotten time but that is willing to put the webring's policies where their json file is by being radically different. Rules, but no rulers. I propose a new charter to guide a new imageboard based on the following principles as old as human civilization itself:
1) A clean slate that is not subject to the hearsay, prejudices, and superstitions that stifle the modern webring. An entirely new imageboard that respects the old as a dead civilization while carving out a new existence that recruits by word-of-mouth from 'any and all' websites without prejudice, be they 4chan, Meguca, the webring, the alt-webring, standalone websites, or even social media. Let anons stand on the content of their character and their ability to follow the website's charter and ideals, not on their history. A leviathan that grows both naturally from within and artificially from bad actors who are scoffed and laughed at as everyone else has already pissed on that street corner. A platform that is much like the Ellis Island of America. Civic pride in one's culture without xenophobia, if you will.
2) A platform in which advertising from outside and from within is mutual, protected, and guaranteed in at least one thread present on every board.
3) A platform where all boards on it are subject to the same global charter on user treatment and moderation transparency that set an even playing field, but that allows autonomy so long as this global charter, which shall be a 'living document', is abided by.
4) A platform in which a board owner council consisting of equals may have veto power to accepting new boards, but also the power to veto another's veto.
5) A platform in which no board owner's coveted position is sacred, and for which this veto power may never be used to stifle or snuff out competition.
6) A platform in which all board owners are first among equals and have an ethical duty to globally moderate one another and take part in the FULL charter in order to secure their own presence on the platform, to encourage open dialogue where there is currently only censorship.
7) A platform that seeks to actively compete with 'every member of the webring, as a member of the webring,' to encourage growth amongst one another even if it may kill or injure those who have dug their heels in waiting for their slow demise.
8) A platform that embodies being a gentlemen's club and seeing themselves as associates, even friends in friendly competition with one another rather than as enemies working together against a mutual threat.
9) A platform that discourages bunkers and dead boards. All boards will be required to show they are being meaningfully used (even if just by two or three people) in order to justify their existence. Quotas, but in a meaningful and involved way that understands nuance.
10) A platform that does not seek to become the next 8chan and that does not seek growth for the sake of growth, but who's ideals will allow the ability to grow if users want it enough.
I brought this issue up in the /v/ gamergate thread and was told to repost it here.  For reference, I'm >>>/v/26109.

To summarize, I wanted to know why minor shitposting was deleted in the gamergate thread even though other threads (like the first FPS general) had much more and much worse periods of shitposting/calling OP a faggot at the start.

The reply I got from Seagull (presumably; no capcode) was >>>/v/26199, which claimed that deleting bitching about the threads was not preferential treatment because these threads are allowed under the rules - even if the rules literally refer to them as "special" threads, and no other threads get scrubbed like that.  Yes, I'm aware that the rules put ""special"" in quotations, which somewhat diminishes the strength of the word, but the fact remains that they are exceptions to rules like "effortless threads will be met with ridicule."

Seagull said to take the issue up with the BO, so here we are.  I'm sure that the reply will be "stay mad faggot these threads are BASED and always allowed!" but I'm just going through the proper channels.

And before anyone tells me that this shouldn't come as a surprise, it's not the presence of gamergate threads that I'm specifically taking issue with (although I do maintain they are worthless and attract all kinds of non-vidya attention whores).  My point is that if the gamergate threads are allowed to exist, they should exist on their own merits.  If people want to spam dubs and shit them up - because there seems to be a tiny handful of people who actually post in them, many of whom are social media addicts and post elsewhere - then why shouldn't they?  The board doesn't have a major problem with people doing that in other threads, so I don't see what the problem is.  It's like a cultural immune response to a foreign object.
Please Sturgeon,
Please on behalf of all /b/ards on snoozechan
Permaban that motherfucker!
And for Pete's sake make sure he doesn't return
Same goes for the herdcoons

And keep the captcha back on permanently on /b/
Heads up, 8moe is trying to harm the webring by buying Faceberg ads that point to its websites, might check into that
https://archive.is/XATph
You might want to set up an escape plan soon.
cakechan has been actively deliberating on removing pedoshit from their site.
smuglo.li has already axed them from their list, i don't see why zzz hasn't done the same yet
THE CUCKCHAN RAPEFUGEES ARE COMING TO THE ENTIRE WEBRING SOON. THEY ARE ALREADY MASS MIGRATING TO NANOCHAN
hoihoi might just mass murder the cuckchanners and survive the exodus
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/301756839
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301756839
Recently this trailer was posted to blacked.moe. After it was posted cakekike came out admitting that he is going to be in this documentary as well. Right now the trailer is sitting at 1.2 million views after 4 days of being released. Based on the trailer it almost exclusively is featuring content from 8chan/8kun and seems much more focused on imageboards than Qnigger bullshit itself. In all likelihood the documentary will namedrop the webring or sites within the webring. It is very possible that it could gain enough traction to trigger an influx of cancer. Time to clench your assholes while you still can and brace for impact. Also there's some hilarious embarrassing clips of Ron in here give it a watch, what a fucking autist this hapa is.
2/21 update 
Configs are evidently not perfect yet, I'm digging to see what exactly happened and will try to make the failover actually work as intended.

Apologies for the downtime everyone, I will outline what exactly happened (at least as much as I can) here along with my plans to prevent it from ever happening again.

1. The proxy host fucking died
This is why there was downtime at all, but n0t why that downtime was such an issue. As much as having an eastern European host that doesn't care benefits a site like, at the end of the day its still run by the cock.li guys ##it's not cockbox##. The following points will outline why I could not mitigate this and how I plan to in the future.

2. I only had one proxy
I kept putting off setting up a second proxy. There's no other explanation, I kept putting it off and eventually forgot. This paired with the not-so-reliable nature of the single proxies host was enough to fuck the site. I will be setting up a second, cheap proxy that will function more as a fall back with it's own subdomain. Balancing an array like previously is a huge pain, and often broke. I've reviewed a few different hosts that will probably not cuck out like the last ones did, and a $5 vps with them will be perfectly serviceable. 

And for the dumbest, most bullyable mistake:
3: I didn't backup my fucking proxy configs
All of the nginx config files used for the proxies have changed substantially each time I have had to make server changes, and I didn't back shit up when I set up the current one. This left me unable to rapidly set up a dirt cheap vps to work as a stop-gap in the meantime regardless of their TOS. ##We'd be off it before they could handle any reports anyway## 

So in short a combination of laziness and dumb mistakes on my part are the reason the site went down at all. Host reliability should not have been a factor. 
Shot version of the plan going forward:
1. get 1-2 more proxies on international hosts
2. set them up as subdomains, potentially keep one turned on standby and not accessible except for emergencies. Maybe even a dedicated phantom proxy.
2a. I will probably test running the onion thru one of these unlisted proxies. I will announce this but keep an eye out.
3. I've already backed up my shit and will be automating the backup of relevant files across all servers.

This is the dedicated bully thread now. I earned it.
Stop ignoring this.

If you're gonna be against calling 8moe shit because you're against board wars or whatever, at least you could delete boards literally made to promote drama and infighting like zzz/tg/. 
Proof of zzz/tg/ BO being a sperg:
>>>/tg/55
Literally has the same writing style and arguments as https://smuglo.li/tg/res/17543.html#18981

We've literally given him all the time and space to say whatever he could want about smugloli and prove that the meidos were influencing /tg/, but he hasn't said anything but FUD like some sort of shill.
What happen ?
You're browsing the imageboards in the morning and find a discussion, so you take a sip of your federally approved Gaming Water while pinching your mustache and write a quick reply. You hit the reply button, feeling content about partaking in some kind of social interaction which the current design of society so deprives you of, and BAM. Fucking DENIED, you're send into a concentration camp and put into shackles, and told to complete a fucking captcha and inject the ID cookie back into your wrist before you're allowed to continue living normally again.

Does the bypass captcha serve any practical purpose? We seem to have been fine without it all this time. Smug has never used it to my knowledge and they haven't had any problems even though supposedly there's a lot of people who hate them and thus would target the website, and it's boards are among the top boards so you'd imagine it would be a target for bots. Even if it curbs the occasional bot advertisement (which it never did in 8chan), is it really worth making everyone's lives more annoying just for that?
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spoiler test
I'm creating this thread since the same once from >>>/v/ got deleted 2 months ago on the same day and I wanted to suggest an edit to /v/ rules.

Suggestion
Ban and delete GooberGate threads from zzz/v/. They are useless circlejerk threads and mark/v/ already has those threads anyways, so it wouldn't hurt. It might improve the quality of /v/.

Happenings
>dead >>>/a/ spinoff created, it's full of /vhs/BO samefagging
>anon.cafe is probably dead
>this site is 7 months old from the 8th of feburary
As you all know, we've been on cloudflare's "I'm under attack mode" for the last several days due to a spammer. This has gotten annoying for everyone and I am ready to pull the trigger on implementing recaptcha until a better solution can be implemented, which Tom is currently working on. This is not something I enjoy doing. Using any google service is an absolute last resort and I would be switching to whatever Tom cooks up asap. That said:

If enough of you are fine with how things are now and don't mind skipping recaptcha I won't add it

So I want to hear from you. Do I add recaptcha and we deal with it for a few days or do we just wait for something better?

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