>>1885
>I have watched vtubers since the very beginning. I watch vtubers with anywhere from millions to less than a hundred subs.
Okay. I'll try my best not to judge.
>Of course they are separate from a stream. It makes no sense to release a song as a stream. Vtubing is not married to streaming as its only possible format.
There's streaming and there's making videos. Production and presentation is what matters for the content - for videos and streams AND it is their channel that makes that possible. If you try to claim broadly that "vtubing" is also about their albums, songs, drawings, etc etc you are selling their story instead of looking at their channel with a sober head.
In short, production and presentation matters and almost no one does this.
>Vtubers do karaoke and drawing streams all the time.
Yes, and yet there's still no consideration towards the presentation.
>Some vtubers are primarily singers and/or put out single and album releases. Inuyama Tamaki was releasing music before she even become a vtuber and Nanahira has long been a famous doujin singer. Tamaki is also a published mangaka with an anime adaptation, Pochimaru is the illustrator for Okaa-san Online, and Shigure Ui is the character designer of Subaru (hololive). There are more examples like this.
Okay, so that tell me what, they're good at different things? Okay, I can understand that. But can they make good content with these things? A good song is an ASSET, ASSET that you use for something. Anime OP's are just OPs without the animation itself. I can find a good songwriter somewhere and I can find a good drawer and I can enjoy their works, but "vtubers" want to make videos or stream, that's them. They don't use their songs or drawings towards EVEN BETTER content or EVEN BETTER presentation, they're just there, there is no evolution, merely production. Not to detract from their efforts or anything, but they make potential assets and just present them.
>Again, gaming and talk streamers are standard fare for vtubers. She is not doing anything out of the ordinary. I don't know how you can't comprehend this.
Please don't give viewers stage 4 cancer
>Where are you even getting all of this shit from? You barely know anything about vtubers. You're just throwing accusations at the wall hoping that some of them stick. There are hololive and nijisanji members who have literally talked about the practise they've been doing for live events.
Even more projecting. I've mentioned "practice" that Coco fucked off to in a previous post, even. What matters and saves "vtubers" is CONTENT and we don't even know if live shows will make good content for youtube even (since that's where their content is). If a live show turns out to be a lot of fanservice and NOT something that's suited as a video, then they're evolving away from good content, simple as that.
And no, there is a specific, CERTAIN definition for "good content" instead of subjectivism. If you try to go "CONTENT QUALITY IS SUBJECTIVE" then holy shit this is a waste of time.