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Hello and welcome to zzzchan! I will be using this thread to explain how this site is set up and answer the initial wave of questions. Thread creation on /meta/ will be locked initially, I will explain how this will be handled going forward below.

Now, to answer some initial questions:

>Who the fuck are you? Who are the other mods?
I am sturgeon, I was a mod back on fat/v/ and later z/v/. fat/v/ was my first role as a moderator in any capacity. I'm happy to say that Pasta and seagull have also stuck around and will be managing /v/. r9k's BO will also be back.

>Nice namefagging
I intend to only use my name & role tag when posting something relevant to my role or the site. 

>Why have you set this up?
Because zchan was doing fairly well before the admin pulled the plug without warning. I'd been considering making my own IB since fat died but once zchan went down I decided I had to make the effort. 

>Will you abandon this after x amount of time?
I've gone through the effort of setting all this up after losing 2 previous boards. I'm doing this because I want it to, and I plan to keep this place running as long as I can. 
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>>2009
Sites should definitely be looking to be available on as many mixnets as possible. I2P and Loki should definitely be worked towards.
>>2007
For example this retard not being able to spam with the IP hops is an example.
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I wonder what board Global Staff would like to have, though probably none because they probably already have private /global/ for secret shitposting, and Triple-Z might be full already. I'd ask some board to make for teh lulz (to see how BO interface operates, honest dictatorial), but that's /b/. Even for something more-less serious, I don't think I have good idea for the right board, for the right site.
Either way, is it possible to if not to de-list, then to hide board's threads from the overboard?
>>1 (OP) 
(You) might want to hire more gvols or at least get some more /b/ vols to clean up the pedo shit being posted whenever the jannies are all sleeping.
HERDNIGGERS GET THE ROPE
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Is a mod gonna clean up /b/ of CP some time? Been up for a while now. How about you get that cocksure /a/ BO to take care of it? Anyone would help, really. For it to be up so long begs people like Esther to get the place shut down.

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Use this thread to report any issues you find while using the site. We currently have 2 known issues: 


1. Real-time post updates are not working. I still need to work out how to get websockets to go through the proxy properly. you will see the error switch back to timed refresh after a few seconds, so auto update is still semi-working.
2. Geoip flags are all inheriting the proxy server's location. I've already solved this issue with post IDs so I have a rough idea of what I need to do to fix this, but it is not high priority.

I also fully expect shenanigans immediately after launch, so if anything happens I will be working to fix it as fast as I can. Your help here is appreciated.
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>>2021
It breaks quite frequently. Sturgeon should have it fixed soon
Onionsite is down. Error code 0xF0
>>2021
I've made a merge request with a simple fix.
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>>2036
Why was the site down yesterday? Onion was down too, but I don't know if that's because the site was down, or the v3 tor network was still revovering from the recent attack.
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>>2042
Something was up with the proxy host. I still dont know what happened and they havent said anything so i'll be getting a backup proxy ready just in case.

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This thread is for handling boards from other sites that wish to migrate here/have been orphaned if public thread creation is locked on /meta/. If public thread creation is open you are free to make a dedicated thread here, otherwise I will make one for you.

The rules for migration are : 
- All Migrating/orphaned boards will be considered outside of the application cycle and should contact me at the same email address listed below.
- I will require proof that you are/were the BO/mod on another imageboard, or that the moderation team for the board in question has fallen apart.
- You must agree to follow all global rules for this site.
- You must agree to actively moderate the new board.
- If accepted, you must notify anons on the old board if it still exists. I do not mind If zzzchan is used as a bunker until a migration can be coordinated/ anons are comfortable making the switch. The new board will be unlisted in this type of scenario and will not be announced util ready.

Feel free to ping me at [email protected] in case of a happening. I'll come right here.
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PLW IS BACK EARLIER THAN EXPECTED
>>1680
Here we go again.
>zzzchan is down
>check cytube bunker to see if anybody dropped a line
>cytube is DDOSed
so what/who was it this time?
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>>2039
I wonder too but considering something was merged just yesterday it probably just broke on update. Sometimes NPM needs a little push after all.
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>>2040
Sturgeon doesn't update JSchan often and he tends to announce updates whenever he does them.
There were issues with the proxy hosts again https://freespeechextremist.com/Sturgeonfish

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EDIT 9/17: APPLICATIONS ARE NOW OPEN FOREVER. FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT ONE AT ANY TIME.
I will leave the rest of the post intact, please ignore the special stipulations.

Hello and welcome to the fist round of BO applications for zzzchan. I will outline the application process below, along with some special stipulations for this first round.

To apply for a board, you must submit your answers to the following questions: 

1. What will the focus of your board be?
2. What will the rules be?
3. How would you handle the following hypothetical scenarios:
    A. A user who is only breaking the rules of your board has a substantial post history that is perfectly fine up until the single instance you are reviewing. What do you do?
    B. A spammer posts CP. What do you do?
    C. A spammer has slid your catalog and all unpinned threads are gone. What do you do?
4. What time range(s) would you normally be able to keep an eye on the board?
5. If your board becomes active enough, do you agree to look for one or more vol(s) to help you? Do you know anyone already?
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>>137 (OP) 
>Roughly one hour and a half after its creation, the a bo has opted to outright lock the meta thread rather than answer inquiries as to why he made the retarded decision to make it so only he could issue meta threads in the first place
epic
just like with v offshoots, all a offshoots are destined to be rulecucked to death. may as well just have not bothered to make the board and stuck with smug a, an already established rulecuck haven.
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>>1881
Probably because of the dumb faggot spamming "ban loli" in there.
>>1881
that's amazing
most free board ever, you can't even talk with it's inhabitants anymore
god bless, sturg can baleet it if he doesn't unlock it
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>>1880
>>1881
>>1873
>projecting but whatever
I have watched vtubers since the very beginning. I watch vtubers with anywhere from millions to less than a hundred subs.

>There are also many skilled singers among vtubers, not that you'd have any way of knowing that.

>Yeah, many try to go into singan, drawan and things like these and attempt to git gud. And yet most of projects like these that are a result of that are presented separately from stream, which is advertised as a main attraction.
Of course they are separate from a stream. It makes no sense to release a song as a stream. Vtubing is not married to streaming as its only possible format.

>You do not have them STRAIGHT FORWARD IMPROVE AT STREAMING using those skills as you have been claiming is their occupation.
Vtubers do karaoke and drawing streams all the time.

>They're streamers that sing, not singers. They're streamers that draw, not artists. Most can get better at skills, yes, but not using them in a stream. And while there are idorus that are into singan or drawan, the presentation part isn't even covered. The only popular one that I can recall that does presentation right is Melody and that's not even a jaypee streamer, that's a literal chaturbate camgirl - and she prefers to shitpost rather than attempt to git better on that front.
Some vtubers are primarily singers and/or put out single and album releases. Inuyama Tamaki was releasing music before she even become a vtuber and Nanahira has long been a famous doujin singer. Tamaki is also a published mangaka with an anime adaptation, Pochimaru is the illustrator for Okaa-san Online, and Shigure Ui is the character designer of Subaru (hololive). There are more examples like this.

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ACHTUNG! ACHTUNG! THIS IS NOT A DRILL

Though pic related could be just shitposting, let's be honest here, something like this will likely be happening soon anyway. I doubt the webring is in any immediate danger because of it's obscurity and decentralized nature, but the menace of mass cuckchan rapefugee influx is a very real threat if it does go down. Everyone is advised to hold down to their butts, duck and cover and be prepared.
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>>2049
Go back there schizo normalnigger.
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>>1982
>>1983
>>1989
This has been spammed all over cuckchan since the election when it started having errors for a couple of seconds due to the increased traffic. Not saying that Cloudflare wouldn't deplatform some sites when they feel like they need to make an example of someone again but the screenshot looks more like the n-th iteration of the same old cuckchan hoax. What about Ruskie Cloudflare, do they deplatform?
>>2049
>knowing that cuckchan was down
Wait a minute
If I have a custom spoiler on my board will it show as such on the overboard? I imagine not because it's attached to the board specific custom css
>>2050
kys kike

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It's time for plw to die and zzzchan will be its successor. With the lack of moderation and the abundance of shit stirrers, a lot of users are pissed and looking for an alternative. Fish, you need to create a /animu/ board here and regulate it better than the plw one. Then we will start with the smaller boards and eventually plw will die on its own and lolretard finally kills himself. Perfect plan
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>>907 (OP) 
the like vtubers
They have no place here
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>>1537
What if the board owner of zzz/a/ or zzz/animu/ ends up banning vtubers, which he already plans to do?
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>>1538
The people on plw/animu/ like Vtubers
They won't fit in and most likely will force til  BO gives in or bans em
god who cares
So how is ProKikeWoah doing currently? Does loleron actually do shit? Does Stazi actually do shit?

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>>1885
>I have watched vtubers since the very beginning. I watch vtubers with anywhere from millions to less than a hundred subs.
Okay. I'll try my best not to judge.
>Of course they are separate from a stream. It makes no sense to release a song as a stream. Vtubing is not married to streaming as its only possible format.
There's streaming and there's making videos. Production and presentation is what matters for the content - for videos and streams AND it is their channel that makes that possible. If you try to claim broadly that "vtubing" is also about their albums, songs, drawings, etc etc you are selling their story instead of looking at their channel with a sober head.
In short, production and presentation matters and almost no one does this.
>Vtubers do karaoke and drawing streams all the time.
Yes, and yet there's still no consideration towards the presentation.
>Some vtubers are primarily singers and/or put out single and album releases. Inuyama Tamaki was releasing music before she even become a vtuber and Nanahira has long been a famous doujin singer. Tamaki is also a published mangaka with an anime adaptation, Pochimaru is the illustrator for Okaa-san Online, and Shigure Ui is the character designer of Subaru (hololive). There are more examples like this.
Okay, so that tell me what, they're good at different things? Okay, I can understand that. But can they make good content with these things? A good song is an ASSET, ASSET that you use for something. Anime OP's are just OPs without the animation itself. I can find a good songwriter somewhere and I can find a good drawer and I can enjoy their works, but "vtubers" want to make videos or stream, that's them. They don't use their songs or drawings towards EVEN BETTER content or EVEN BETTER presentation, they're just there, there is no evolution, merely production. Not to detract from their efforts or anything, but they make potential assets and just present them.
>Again, gaming and talk streamers are standard fare for vtubers. She is not doing anything out of the ordinary. I don't know how you can't comprehend this.
Please don't give viewers stage 4 cancer
>Where are you even getting all of this shit from? You barely know anything about vtubers. You're just throwing accusations at the wall hoping that some of them stick. There are hololive and nijisanji members who have literally talked about the practise they've been doing for live events.
Even more projecting. I've mentioned "practice" that Coco fucked off to in a previous post, even. What matters and saves "vtubers" is CONTENT and we don't even know if live shows will make good content for youtube even (since that's where their content is). If a live show turns out to be a lot of fanservice and NOT something that's suited as a video, then they're evolving away from good content, simple as that.
And no, there is a specific, CERTAIN definition for "good content" instead of subjectivism. If you try to go "CONTENT QUALITY IS SUBJECTIVE" then holy shit this is a waste of time.
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>>1939
Since e-something means it's something that's virtual or online only, wouldn't a vtuber be an e-e-celeb?
>>1887 (OP) 
>There's streaming and there's making videos. Production and presentation is what matters for the content - for videos and streams AND it is their channel that makes that possible. If you try to claim broadly that "vtubing" is also about their albums, songs, drawings, etc etc you are selling their story instead of looking at their channel with a sober head. In short, production and presentation matters and almost no one does this.
Vtubing is also about their albums, songs and drawings. That is simply the way it is, and I am not comprehending why you are even trying to dispute it.

>Yes, and yet there's still no consideration towards the presentation.
What even is this "presentation" that you keep obsessing over yet never define? And what would you know about vtuber karaoke streams?

>Okay, so that tell me what, they're good at different things? Okay, I can understand that. But can they make good content with these things? A good song is an ASSET, ASSET that you use for something. Anime OP's are just OPs without the animation itself. I can find a good songwriter somewhere and I can find a good drawer and I can enjoy their works, but "vtubers" want to make videos or stream, that's them. They don't use their songs or drawings towards EVEN BETTER content or EVEN BETTER presentation, they're just there, there is no evolution, merely production. Not to detract from their efforts or anything, but they make potential assets and just present them.
Songs, music videos, albums and concerts are content. They have as much as "evolution" anything else. Vtubers are, again, not magic. They don't follow some magic rules that you just pulled out of your ass.

>Please don't give viewers stage 4 cancer
How am I giving anyone cancer by plainly stating simple, unremarkable, factual things about her channel? You sound like a snowflake.

>Where are you even getting all of this shit from? You barely know anything about vtubers. You're just throwing accusations at the wall hoping that some of them stick. There are hololive and nijisanji members who have literally talked about the practise they've been doing for live events.

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>>1940
This might sound like shilling later on in this post depending on how you look at it, but I want more imageboards around instead of centralization coming back. Fulfill the purpose of the webring to create decentralized imageboard instances.
>Why not create a separate tengu style board for chuuba discussion if the meido shortage is that bad?
I have doubts that sturgeon would be willing to create anymore entirely new boards besides existing ones that are willing to setup bunkers here after what happened with /a/. If you still want the vtuber board, either create it on a different webring site or a very good thing to do is to create your own site with the vtuber board, preferably running meguca since its cheaper, has liveposting, and vtuber discussion is better suited for liveboards. Or you can just go with JSchan if you still prefer the traditional imageboard.

About meguca/liveboards
>meguca since its cheaper
Meguca is AGPL licensed and free. Hosting an average meguca instance is cheaper than hosting an average traditional imageboard due to meguca auto pruning threads after a dynamic amount of X days while traditional imageboards tend to keep the threads around for possibly the whole site's lifespan if the board is dead.
From the dead chen2 frontpage 
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>>2033
>Hosting an average meguca instance is cheaper than hosting an average traditional imageboard due to meguca auto pruning threads after a dynamic amount of X days while traditional imageboards tend to keep the threads around for possibly the whole site's lifespan if the board is dead.
Shouldn't it also more efficient with the backend being written in go/rust? Lat can however take his goddamn v7 and shove it up his ass. Is he still planning to remove boards alltogether? Haven't really found any instance I like better than the original meguca but chen/pol/ was very fun.
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>>2037
>Is he still planning to remove boards alltogether?
Yeah seems like he is doing that. See pic related.

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I brought this issue up in the /v/ gamergate thread and was told to repost it here.  For reference, I'm >>>/v/26109.

To summarize, I wanted to know why minor shitposting was deleted in the gamergate thread even though other threads (like the first FPS general) had much more and much worse periods of shitposting/calling OP a faggot at the start.

The reply I got from Seagull (presumably; no capcode) was >>>/v/26199, which claimed that deleting bitching about the threads was not preferential treatment because these threads are allowed under the rules - even if the rules literally refer to them as "special" threads, and no other threads get scrubbed like that.  Yes, I'm aware that the rules put ""special"" in quotations, which somewhat diminishes the strength of the word, but the fact remains that they are exceptions to rules like "effortless threads will be met with ridicule."

Seagull said to take the issue up with the BO, so here we are.  I'm sure that the reply will be "stay mad faggot these threads are BASED and always allowed!" but I'm just going through the proper channels.

And before anyone tells me that this shouldn't come as a surprise, it's not the presence of gamergate threads that I'm specifically taking issue with (although I do maintain they are worthless and attract all kinds of non-vidya attention whores).  My point is that if
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>>2024
>just ignore the piles of shit on the sidewalk in front of you bro
>just reply to retard and show him how not-baited you are
>just use words to pwn somebody who's so autistic he has been doing this on multiple websites for literal years
I would like to believe you're not stupid enough to say that both giving an attention whore/troll replies and ignoring him are solutions to the problem.  I stopped replying to this guy and most people as autistic/stupid as him years ago.  As for why I want posts deleted, that's the same reason bans don't do anything in the age of VPNs: if you're dedicated enough, you get around them.  The only way that Luciano's posts (or posts like them) would ever stop is if they're deleted.  This is exactly the kind of problem that repeated, proactive post deletion solves.

I don't expect the mods to hit every single post, but at least recognizing his posting style and nuking the really obvious ones would go a long way.

>>2025
I appreciate your attempts at sedition, but your repetitive use of "bogeyman" and post structure make it painfully obvious you're the same guy from the Capcom censorship thread.  You're not quite as autistic as other people I've seen around the webring, but with enough eff
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>>2026
>would ever stop 
Well I guess they won't stop until he's dead.  Perhaps I should have said "would ever have their effects be reduced."
>>2023
>This is what I mean by borderline spam: if a robot did this, that's what anyone would call it.  I don't think minor variations in post content and word choice imbue his posts with enough quality to dodge that.
I now see your point. I will discuss this with pasta and see what he has to say about the matter.
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>>2026
>implying I'm trying to hide what my opinions are, or act like multiple people
Welcome to imageboards, make note of how everyone's anonymous. Also, your meds - take them.
>>2028
Thanks.  I think the /v/ moderation is generally pretty good, but I'm glad that you're listening.

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WHY DID YOU DELETE /a/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
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>>1977
>I'm also more than a bit peeved that this was seen as a better idea than a poltically-oriented board. 
>a bit peeved
lol you mean you're extremely butthurt about /pol/ because you're the mouthbreathing retard who requested it, and I hope to god sturgeon is never going to be shortsighted enough to actually give it to you. fucking sperg. go back to running gaymoo and pretending to be the savior of video game boards.
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>>1985
Damn dude, you’ve really got a chip on your shoulder - you need your gamergate threads that badly, son?
Maybe Eden was right about /a/ dying very fast again.
>>1951
>remember sperging the fuck out
>visit thread
>see that one guy that didn't argue at all
>(you)
I probably should have taken the 15 too. Is that what australian were-shitposters feel like?
I'll admit the BO of /vhs/ slash /a/ is doing a bang-up job samefagging for this long. I wonder when he'll tire of populating the board by himself.

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THE CUCKCHAN RAPEFUGEES ARE COMING TO THE ENTIRE WEBRING SOON. THEY ARE ALREADY MASS MIGRATING TO NANOCHAN
hoihoi might just mass murder the cuckchanners and survive the exodus
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/301756839
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301756839
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>>2013
>Bothways Cuckchan is filled with jewish loving cucks, there is a small chance that big tech would even give a fuck about them.
It might be a plot to kill off alternative imageboards and possibly all imageboards by flooding them with huge swarms of normalniggers.
>>Millions 
>I think cuckchan doesn't have that much users
There are still a huge amount of users there, especially with happenings. https://4stats.io/ to see the average cuckchan board stats.
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>>2014
>It might be a plot to kill off alternative imageboards and possibly all imageboards by flooding them with huge swarms of normalniggers.
There are five quadrillion imageboards on the internet and how would they swarm russian or chinese imageboards? Or god knows 2chan? How is it called now?
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>>2015
I meant all english imageboards. I doubt foreign language imageboards can easily die from cuckchan rapefugees.
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>>2016
There are still bigger imageboards out there. Also there is bigger chance the 4cucks will litelary rush the capitol and kill everyone in it then this being fully raided.
>>2015
>Or god knows 2chan? How is it called now?
If you are talking about the 2channel/2ch textboard, it has been rebranded as 5channel/5ch as a result of the pig farmer stealing 2ch from gookjew https://5ch.net 
If you are talking about the 2chan/Futaba Channel imageboard, it's still around to this day https://2chan.net

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