/christian/ - christian

>>23561
gay
>>23562
very original

>>23470

King

>>23470
>They used the idea of a gay gene to get acceptance even though the science behind it was bunk.
I read into that one time and all I found was some mentions of genes that were more prevalent in gays, and maybe increased the likelihood of gayness, but nothing that could be called an actual CAUSE of that.
The "born that way" argument doesn't even work in their own framework because they still accept/talk about the existence of bisexuals, even though the entire premise behind it is 100% choice.

>>23315 (OP) 
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>>28047
>Is there a scriptural prohibition against celebrations that are not explicitly commanded by God?
Yes. Leviticus 10:1-3
>the celebration of Christmas is covered under Christian liberty.
1. The Church has no liberty to corrupt God’s worship by introducing whatever idolatry and will-worship it feels like 2. For the Church to observe Christmas destroys Christian liberty, since all who are present are forced to observe Christmas with their church. And the nature of Christian liberty is not that we are free to throw our liberty away, but we are bound to reject anything which impedes it (like the will-worship of man) Galatians 5:1

>>28106
>Yes. Leviticus 10:1-3
This wasn't a cultural celebration. Two sons of Aaron were executed for violating the very specific rules God prescribed regarding the tabernacle and sacrifice. If they burnt strange fire in their homes or in the wilderness, they wouldn't have been killed.
>1. The Church has no liberty to corrupt God’s worship by introducing whatever idolatry and will-worship it feels like
No one said it did. Christmas is not idolatry or will-worship, it's a celebration/remembrance of a real historical event that is recorded in Luke's gospel.
>2. For the Church to observe Christmas destroys Christian liberty, since all who are present are forced to observe Christmas with their church.
Very few brothers' consciences are pricked by being "forced" once a year to remember the incarnation (which, btw, they also believe truly happened). After a certain point, zeal crosses into legalism and extinguishes faith.

>>28108
>This wasn't a cultural celebration
Neither is Christmas.
>Two sons of Aaron were executed for violating the very specific rules God prescribed regarding the tabernacle and sacrifice. If they burnt strange fire in their homes or in the wilderness, they wouldn't have been killed.
The way they violated the rules was by doing other than prescribed. They were not starting a fire pit. They were offering sacrifice as ordained priests. For them to do this at all apart from the tabernacle would have also been a violation.
>No one said it did. Christmas is not idolatry or will-worship, it's a celebration/remembrance of a real historical event that is recorded in Luke's gospel.
You just said it’s not that but also it is. This special holy day is nowhere instituted in scripture, it is God who makes holy and not men. To observe a holiday which God has not instituted is to add to His worship and corrupt it with our own inventions.
>Very few brothers' consciences are pricked by being "forced" once a year to remember the incarnation
I would be concerned for anyone who ever forgets it, but this defense is no excuse. Whether or not the conscience is pricked is immaterial, because we are bound by God to stand fast for our freedom, our own consent does not legitimize a fresh sl

>>28109
Maybe you're from a denomination that holds the date as sacred, but the churches I've been to claim Jesus likely wasn't born on December 25th and there's nothing special about the day other than that we picked a day to remember. 

You speak of freedom, but call Christmas celebrators idolaters and will-worshipers. Can you give an example of Christian liberty? Is it only negative liberty? Are we only free to NOT do things? Is there anything we're now free to do that we weren't when we were under the law? Your argument could be used to demand that we obey all the OT dietary and feast laws as well.

>"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." Romans 14:5-6 KJV

>>28110
>Maybe you're from a denomination that holds the date as sacred, but the churches I've been to claim Jesus likely wasn't born on December 25th and there's nothing special about the day other than that we picked a day to remember. 
As I said, if it’s only a sermon on the incarnation, there’s much less to object to. The problem is that this practice has a history. In the middle ages celebrating Christmas meant much more than a sermon on the incarnation, and it still does in most churches which observe it across the world; in the church of Rome, in the eastern churches, in the Anglican communion, in most Lutheran churches which celebrate it etc. Practically nobody observes a day called Christmas as nothing more than a sermon on the incarnation outside of Baptist and Reformed contexts. Now it is good that in your church you are told it’s not a special day, since this day is at least like the bronze serpent of Moses which became an idol and needed to be destroyed, so if such a sermon should occur it should be prefaced with the clarification that the day is not especially holy. But I think it is wise to remove it altogether to remove the monuments of idolatry from the Church and leave no trace of it.
>Can you give an example of Christian liberty?
Christians are free to eat whatever foods they want, and to fast or feast. 

I am praying for a persistent borrower to remove theirself from my "house," so to speak, lest I grow weary of them, and so hate them. Also because they're the kind of borrower who repeatedly swears falsely about how many more times they will borrow, changes how much money they owe, changes when they will repay, and changes how much they will repay. All the while reciting fantastical, and convienent, sob stories about why they need to borrow, that I believe are lies. But supposing they are true, they still sound like they're coming from someone who is trying to get into trouble.

>>27922
Whelp, so far it looks like my prayers have been answered. And the debtor has probably removed theirself from my presence. But if they did, then I am almost 100% certain they did it by ripping me off, and fleeing town with the debt. Because they have failed to even show up at the three appointed times they promised to me would be for starting repayment. But that's okay. I had a hunch something like this would happen for the past few weeks. I feel the hunch was virtually confirmed, when the debtor uncharacteristically flinched their eye, after I repeated to them the day of the week for repayment. And yet I loaned anyway.

Now I pray for my hunch to truly be the case. For the peace of mind in knowing the debtor is finally sticking to the value they have chosen, and will not vex me with more flip flopping games. And for the general peace of mind in knowing a cantankerous, career petty thief, and swindler, is out of my life. And so I can return to freewill giving, and stop this confusing giving that feels half freewill, half compulsory. And so "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." has a literal meaning for me. And so I can say I have not only passed being rewarded evil for good, but also that the burden is light.

But as for the debtor, if they have ripped me off, then I hope they do not spend that money all in one place. Because they flattered me with "You're the only person in the

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>>27549
>I pray to God for me to be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.
Today I have heard an answer to this. Thank the Lord. And the answer is so what if I am afraid of such a thing? The people I am talking about are so hopelessly addicted to their misery, and excess, and great wastefulness, that they're basically dead already. And they have been dead for a long time. And there is a non zero chance that they were never really alive to begin with. Because of how they have fallen so far, that they willfully allow "The Empire's" ideas into what ought to be their own personal oasis away from The Empire, literally 24/7 via television and social media. So that they never rest from The Empire.
Moreover if there was only one object I could use to summarize their outlook on life, it would be a magnet on their refridgerator that is similar to this post's picture. I am keen to notice the proverb doesn't say anything about asking the child's permission for the loan. It doesn't say anything about repaying the loan either.

Existence is giving me a headache today.

I ask for a prayer too truly feel like im actually trying for God to turn my life around and better myself

>>28105
Praying for you 🙏

Happy Easter, coward. I'm still here and you're still a niggerfaggot.

>>28091 (OP) 
<Fake Christians
You mean like yourself? Hast thou never said 1 John 4:1-2?
>BELOVED, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 
>Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Or read romans 2:27-28?
<My post
<>>>/k/15540
Matthew 24:6
>And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
<the subject of TPTB
<These lies will all end & the truth will out.
If that's a person, do they recognize the existence of Jeremiah 27:21-22? If its tucker carlson know that he is a idol that never existed and acts as a mouthpeice for 2 thessalonians 2:7 and daniel 8:12
<NO GOVERNMENT is beyond attempting to usurp God
You clearly lack understandonf of romans 13 and what a government is.

What is TPTB?

>>26036
I'd say there are a few things we should separate. One is engaging on homosexual activity. That's wrong and disordered and, thankfully, I doubt I have to convince anyone here about that. We all know it's a heinous sin. Even in cultures like Ancient Greece, marriage was always between a man and a woman, homosexual relationships were more like a past time, always between people with a huge age gap and didn't involve anal penetration, which was seen as unnatural.

Now, people may also have homosexual temptations. That's no different from many other sexual temptations. You must not lust after a woman, you must not see her as a way to placate your desires; straight people also deal with a lot of sexual temptation. Straight people can also feel attracted to people they shouldn't date: maybe they're already in a relationship, or there's an age difference, or you've had the bad luck to fall in love with your cousin. Feelings can play all sort of nasty tricks on you, what matters is that you recognize what's right and what isn't and follow that instead of your feelings, no matter how intense they are.

There's a third thing, and it's what is sometimes called "homosexual affection". I may be nicer to a girl cause she's cute and I find her pleasant, even though I'm not planing to date her, and I can do so without lusting after her. She's just nice to be around and I'm just being kind. Some people have an easier

Also, I'd love to hear testimony from people who are homosexual and practicing Christians (that is, they live chastely). If anyone could share their experience or knows of some good interviews, it'd be lovely. It's a topic that comes up a lot and people do have genuine sometimes honest questions about it, and not just the usual "but I like wrong why it has to be bad".

>>26053
If they're "chaste homosexuals", they're just chaste and confused, but at least they're not sinning. Ask God to show you the truth.
Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

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>>26052
>"But I can't choose what I'm attracted to!". Precisely, all the more reason to not let it define you.
100% truth, anon. That's the problem with hypersexuality, people who suffer it often let it define them. Ever noticed how people addicted to hentai are always freaking out about how much they like l*lis? Furries make their whole personality revolve around being an anthropomorphic animal, etc

Best thread on this board

Porn sucks and I hate being a degenerate. I _hate_ myself. I started watching it when I was 11 and I'm nearly 30 now. If I could get rid of one vice forever it'd be porn. Lord help me.

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>>27307
I just turned 30 and I stopped because I got really angry about the state of the world and my life and how Satan is ruining everything for everyone and wasting my time and energy with nonsense so that I'm not in a position to oppose him, and also because it just feels wrong when the women being trafficked by pornographers are 10 years younger than you now. It's like there was a decade where the world could have been improved and these vices should have retreated but instead because we fooled ourselves into thinking that the devil doesn't exist evil has only spread further and increased its grip on our society. I went and ran 10k every day for a week straight and I doubled my productivity at work and I had a long talk with my pastor about getting more involved in church. I have a feeling that there is a big wave of conversions and reversions of those who've fallen out of the faith coming and like in Matthew 9:37 the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few, and the Lord will be sending us out to the world to witness soon in these last days. I don't even know why I used to want porn or masturbation so badly now, it's just sad and it was a crutch to fill in holes in my life where I felt badly about myself, and even when I was doing well secularly before my conversion it was something that I kept turning to even though it brought no actual value to my life. I was also worried in the past rounds when

>>24520
Hey anons, I'm this guy. Anyway, Ive relapsed pretty terribly after abstaining from all pornography for close to to five or six months (?) I mean I wouldn't say it was completely cold turkey, but rather I slowly over the months got rid of the most disgusting fetishes until I completely cut porn out entirely, and I was working on slowly phasing out masturbation completely. The depression I was feeling slowly went away, but something really upsetting happened, and the depression immediately came back, I wasn't sleeping well, and yesterday completely out of nowhere I relapsed with the most embarrassing disgusting animated stuff for hours until I felt literally sick. Until really early in the morning, something I hadn't done for close to 6 months. It's like all the effort I built up over months just fell apart completely. I was already a bit ashamed I couldn't just outright stop, but I legitimately was changing, and now none of it feels real. 

I've had to come to terms very quickly that whatever is in me that makes me do this isn't going away, and I'm not sure what that says about me. At any point it can sneak up during a weak moment and overtake me completely, and that horrifies me. I'm not really sure what to do now, I was hoping God gave me the grace to take it out of me slowly, that's what it felt like, but now I don't know why I was built like this. I certainly don't blame God for anything, but 

>>28086
>At any point it can sneak up during a weak moment and overtake me completely, and that horrifies me.
True. But understand that the Gospel isn't something you just accept once and then move on. You live it. You preach it to yourself every day: "I've failed, I can't do it on my own no matter how hard I try... but thank God that He loves me enough that He sent his only son to live and die for me... to accomplish, on my behalf, what I could never do: live a life of perfect righteousness and obedience to God."

>I've had to come to terms very quickly that whatever is in me that makes me do this isn't going away, and I'm not sure what that says about me.
I hope you don't mind me copy+pasting what I posted for another anon, but it's dealing with this same recurring issue:
>In Romans, the Apostle Paul writes that he felt the same way you do:
>"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I

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Hi,i honestly been struggling with dirty stuff loke hentai and stuff recently while trying not to look at it anymore and go clean after a few christain channels and up too this year in the mid-late 2020's i got baptized,telling God id cut off mastubating but i occasionally relapsed once in december of last year on christmas eve where i beated off and felt bad and prayed for forgiveness the others between in in the current year of 2026 i edged a bit too control myself but end up blowing my load like today i was on polybuzz and chatted this one bot of a wide hipped rabbit character and had two scenarios (both essentially had me banging him w/o his consent) the second one being more explicit by phrases like "stress relief" as the bot acted out him struggling to get free as i played with myself a little but tried to pinch the head too stop myself from blowing my load but that ended in disaster and now i hate myself for technically relapising again along hating how i still enjoy it...i want to quit but feel like I'm not saved truly and wasted my baptism as i keep falling in my habitual sin and hate i still enjoy. (Pic below as reference l)

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Are you still going to church, /christian/?

>>27916
I like going to Mass during the week, it's quieter than on Sundays.

Bethel Redding is live currently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4yawoEd4gA

Happy Easter

>>28092
happy easter anon

>>23737
Why is it called a Pentateuch if it's a complete Old Testament?

>>23737
finna whip this bad boy out and start quoting from it any time i get in an argument about religion.

>>23738
The original article I found about it seemed to be confused between two manuscripts, Sassoon 507 is the Damascus Pentateuch but the one being auctioned is actually Sassoon 1053. It also seems that someone took photos of it before it was privately bought:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tanakh-MS-Sassoon-1053
https://archive.org/details/Sassoon_1053_Tanakh

Wasn't sure where to post this. This is a 6-hour Greek Bible study but actually covers a lot of deep material. It has an interdenominational group, with a Jewish guy, a Catholic priest, an Orthodox priest (Fr. Stephen De Young), a Calvinist, a Coptic Christian, and a few other Orthodox Christians. This 6-hour video is just the first meeting, and I am only 4 hours in, but I think it will address for sure some of the questions that OP asks as well bringing to light many questions during the 2nd Temple and elsewhere. It was from this video that I learned about Islamic mythicism and that Islam may really just be a heretical Christian with Muhammed being just a made-up character. They have continued on with a few more meetings. Not sure if they are completely done. But this is really good stuff. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSjatPfFKlI

Are any of you familiar with the translation work of Mauro Biglino?
He's an advocate of translating what can be translated and leaving what can't be translated as it is but with annotations.

One example of things he takes issue with is the translation of words such as elohim, el, elyon as simply god.
This perspective paints a very different picture to what I originally believed of the bible, it provokes serious questions and curiously brings it into closer alignment to depictions of similar beings by other ancient theologies such as the greeks or nords.

>>28081 (OP) 
>sometimes think in if im really saved as i still under my bad habits
Take heart. Cleaning up your life does not save you. You are saved by what Jesus has done for you. That is why the gospel is such good news. God has done for us what we could not do ourselves.

In Romans, the Apostle Paul writes that he felt the same way you do:
"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to 

>>28083
Thx for the advice and admittedly most of em was a bad attempt to edge and stopping too soon up too and fully ejactualte not helped as even as i try to avoid stuff that'll have me relapse i end upjust looking at it either nudes,lewd rp's and such ending up in falling back ingo my sin.
which I'd be disappointed/mad at myself for said relapses and by guilt admit to God in what in my relapses still feels good/looks hot hence why I think im not s/a fraud follower

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The whole radiation emission theory for the shroud might actually be even more credible now. Not saying this study is directly related, but light emission from the body forms the foundation of the theory.
https://www.sciencealert.com/we-emit-a-visible-light-that-vanishes-when-we-die-says-surprising-new-study

What do you say to people who say that Christ’s body was wrapped in multiple linen strips and therefore the shroud is not legit?

Were there multiple strips around this main one?