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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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Catholics and Orthodox alike. There is a concerted effort of infiltrators trying to "project veritas" Christians within their own churches in the guise of visitors, catechumens, etc to get them to say things in confidence. The most heinous thing of it is that they take these recordings to bishops to effectively excommunicate people they get on recording, context removed of course, without addressing archbishops/cardinals/metropolitans as a proper excommunication would require. We have to know that no matter the denomination, the leaders and clergy of our Church are filled with cowardly old men that are more content to count their coins than they are to even attempt a cursory investigation into allegations made by outsiders in any regard. The revival of Christendom in the world is being stymied not only by those allied with the devil and his children, but at best by those who see their faith is just a job instead of responsibility they claim to profess. So as Moses before us, and unless something changes, we have to await the death of all of these demoralized boomers, gen x, gen y, and even a good part of the millenials before the Holy Church can rise again to prominence on the world stage. The only other choice is to start creating organizations within the faith to counterattack against such effeminate leadership every time something like this happens to another brother of ours going forward. Attached is one of many letters to come being sent out by many such cowards within t
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>>27083 (OP) 
So, what was said? I am not going to side either way because sometimes people do need excommunication or a long penance into order to be brought to repentance. Without both sides of the story here, this is pointless.
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From my understanding, which isn't complete, the supposed "catechumen visitor" spoke to a parishioner espousing leftist "Patriachy Theory." Said parishioner rebutted something along the lines of, and I paraphrase: "feminism is designed to turn women into whores" and pointed out that some of the leaders of the "2nd wave feminist" movement were jews. There was no indication said conversation was heated or that any yelling ensued, and witnesses reported that  the two parties were seen shaking hands when said "catechumen visitor" departed. The whole thing stinks to high heaven, especially when the bishop in question has been known to run a school that supposedly researches jewish mysticism and how it inspired Orthodox tradition. For anything else one would have to contact the diocese.
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>>27111
If that was the case that does seem really odd and way over the top for a full excommunication. I would at least attempt to reconcile with the Bishop, but a change in jurisdiction sounds in order. A shame, I believe that Bishop spent time on Athos, he should be hardcore.
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>>27083 (OP) 
Is true that catholics and orthodox have more things in common than the several protestant sects. But the funny thing is how the catholic church tries to get closer with those heretics instead with the orthodox ones. And is true that the catholic church have been long infiltrated since CVII
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>>27112
>odd and way over the top for a full excommunication...
This is why I'm trying to shed light on this, Lord willing the right people will come to see this and ask the questions I'm not able to. 
>I believe that Bishop spent time on Athos, he should be hardcore.
One would think so, but it seems that whether it is the jew holding the purse strings hostage to control our clergy, these boomers clergy themselves retardedly cling to the zionist lies of the previous century, or God forbid, he's one of many suspected masons within western clergy, the devil is alive in the church and will continue to be until it is cast out by the light of truth. After the death of 8chan, this is the most popular tor friendly chan with a /christian/ board. Help me brothers.
>>27113
Vatican II truly was the death knell of the Roman Rite. Having personally experienced a Novus Ordo mass, I couldn't make it past the second coombaya interlude until my soul recoiled at the blasphemy and left.

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I hope you went to church to-day, /christian/!
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>>26722 (OP) 
I didn't, I find it hard to believe in God and most of the people that go to church where I live are either black (ew) or old people which, to be frank, strike me as dickheads.
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Only a little over a week left until Christmas!
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>>27022
Unless you're on Julian calendar ;-)
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Blessed First Sunday of Lent. How's everyone holding up?
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I celebrated Shabbat with fiveish

https://youtu.be/1cMW3zacHVA?si=tuTexXX199iFYaMh

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Hey anons. After a long while in the desert outside of Christianity and God I've decided to climb my way out and begin reading The Bible and attempting to study theology and spirituality again. One of the art forms that's given me a sense of meaning throughout my life has been film. I've heard of some classic cinema that's Christian themed, but the only director who's discussed the faith has been Ingmar Bergman with Seventh Seal. 

I really enjoy getting personal recommendations from people but I also love the charts people make for  different subjects so I'm curious to see if there are any /christian/ film charts as well. So yeah, any recommendations for stuff to watch while I'm embarking on my spiritual journey would be incredibly appreciated! Thanks for the consideration, guys.
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I watched Simon of the Desert (1969), directed by Luis Buñuel, for the first time. It's about 45 minutes long. Filmed in Mexico, it's in spanish.
It's loosely based on the story of the ascetic 5th-century saint Simeon Stylites, who lived for 39 years on top of a pillar. Monks, peasants, his mother, and Satan in the form of an attractive woman come to talk and (as he implies) tempt him.
What a curiosity! This is a film that many claim to be a surreal satire of the Christian religion/Catholicism, and yet feels so... accurate to the emotional realities of being a human, a sinner, even a saint.
It's a film made by an alleged atheist, and yet it doesn't feel like one.
Is humanistic the right word here?
Only, the last scene feels surreal, and it seems most don't know what to make of it; the transition to it stunned me, absolutely stunned me.
It took me until looking at IMDB audience reviews to even see what was supposed to be satire! I took it completely seriously. Perhaps I'm a fool.
When looking around for information, I found out that the woman who played Satan literally died about 5 days ago!
Fascinating film.
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>>27007
Sounds intriguing, it is part of the Criterion Collection and has rather good reviews from both critics and the audience. Sounds like I have something to add to my watch list. Thanks for sharing, anon.
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New animated short on the 21 Coptic Christian martyrs. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwPQqkeeCTg
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Jeremiah tells the story of the prophet who abandons his family and the woman he loves in order to relay God’s message in Jerusalem. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMeyaSy81iw

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Firstly out of the way, I am an atheist. Without change. You're free to have your own beliefs, and I have mine.

With that out of the way, on to my question.

These days, on the internet and in real life, I've seen so many people using Christianity, and religion in general, as a crutch to espouse hateful viewpoints.

Granted, I've also seen and interacted with plenty of really nice religious folk who well and truly "love thy neighbor".

My question is, what are this board's thoughts on tying religion to hateful viewpoints, i.e. "God hates f*gs" and similar things? Is it acceptable in the eyes of God, as many of these things are considered sin, or should people learn to "love the sinner, not the sin"?

Personally, my dad is a Christian and he's been very accepting of my lifestyle as a queer atheist (forgot to mention the LGBT part up till now, oh well :) ), which I'm very happy about.

My dad stopped attending church years ago, however, as in his experiences, so many of the churches he went to were hateful and/or judgemental, which isn't to say that there aren't any good churches (obviously there's plenty of awesome churches who really do good in the world).

What do you all think of this whole rambling tangent, and overall what do you think about using religion as a crutch for hate speech? Personally it saddens me, and I'm not even religious. I feel like it just gives the religions a bad look and increases the overall negativity in the world.
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>>27076 (OP) 
I understand where you're coming from. It grieves me to see how some twist Christ’s message into a weapon of hate, when His own words call us to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:39). It’s like trying to catch water in a plate with a wire screen bottom; no matter how hard you try, you just can’t get to the living water that Jesus freely offers.

We’re in a time where many have forgotten that true righteousness isn’t measured by judgment or condemnation, but by a clean heart, a mind seeking truth, and a willingness to serve others. It’s not about fancy doctrines or self-righteous declarations—it’s about living simply, with genuine love and compassion, just as our Savior did when He reached out to those society had cast aside.

You know... there’s a raw and honest call in the gospel—a call to let go of the pretense and bitterness that can so easily take root. When we see the Word of God being misused, it reminds us that real faith is found in the quiet, everyday acts of mercy and kindness, the ones that reflect the true essence of His love. It's really in those moments, that the beauty of a life lived for Christ shines through, unadorned and direct.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gGTFzjoXLXA

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Former-SSPX bishop Richard Williamson is on his deathbed (it's possible that he's already dead, but as of this writing the reports are conflicting). One of the four bishops consecrated in Écône in 1988, it seems that he will be the second of the four to go to his eternal reward, following Tissier de Mallerais last year.
The bishop is confirmed dead as of the 29th of January.

RIP

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I wanted to share this well-done Psalm book from 1947 that I found this month. It breaks up the Psalms into 8 readings per day for each of the canonical hours (12:00, 3:00, 6:00, 9:00 AM and PM) for each day of the week, and also has a list of topical readings in the beginning and a numerical index of all the Psalms at the end. The Psalm and verse numbering is according to the Septuagint / Latin Vulgate pattern. The English is a bit archaic, but clearly more modern than the 1769 Blayney KJV. Where there is unusual language it reflects the source text and prompts further study. It's available electronically and in print, and can be previewed on Amazon and Google Books. The print copy is only 5 1/4 by 3 1/2 inches (13.3 by 9 cm), so you can meditate on the poetry of God anywhere you go. It also has illustrations, but because it was made physically smaller in the latest edition they can be difficult to parse; apparently older printings were larger, so you may be better served getting a used copy if it is an issue.
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>>27054 (OP) 
I looks pretty good and I might have to get myself a copy. Looking at the previews, it looks like they don't have the "Glory be" prayer at the end of each Psalm, which is weird to me but I could just add them in myself when I'm praying.
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>>27055
I'm not sure why, but it only seems to be present at the end of each day with the Compline reading, although in one place it's present after Lauds.

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Ever since shortly after I left the church of Rome I have been drawn to the Reformed tradition as the traditional and scholarly wing of the fundamentalist movement. Calvinist theologians have been at the forefront of defining (such as in The Fundamentals or the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy) and giving the reasons (presuppositional apologetics, Reformed epistemology) for our faith in an age of "reason". I was blessed especially by the ministry of Dr. James White, especially in his book the Potter's Freedom (which I highly recommend) in showing me the doctrines of grace, though the Reformed tradition is much more than the 5 points of Calvinism. To give a short answer, the reason why I'm Reformed is because I believe everything the bible says. I would think it would be simple to just believe everything God said, but apparently the vast majority of people (even Christians today) find it very difficult. 

The TULIP acrostic is much younger than the doctrines it represents, and even those 5 points were first formally stated as such in the 17th century at the Synod of Dort. But while they can cause confusion (especially the L) the doctrines have been taught since the beginning of the Reformation, and much earlier than that. Since by far the most popular argument against the doctrines of grace is the strawman fallacy, I want to explain each point to you and help you see that you may just believe them already. 

>Total Depravity
This does NOT mean that men are as bad as they possibly could be. In fact, unbelievers are sometimes so showered in common grace that we perceive them as being "better" than many Christians. What this doctrine does mean is that there is no kernel of good hidden deep within man that enables him to cooperate with the grace of God, but that he is according to nature so far gone that he would never, under any circumstances, under his own volition reconcile with his creator and submit to the rule of God, so that when he does so it is a true divine miracle changing the direction of his heart with as much force as would change the trajectory of the earth. For "there is none who does good, no one who seeks after God, no not even one". 

>Unconditional Election
This doctrine is very literally named, as it means that those blessed few among the great crowd of evil whom God shall save have not been chosen (or "elected") because they rose above and satisfied some condition of being so (such as accruing merit and avoiding mortal sin, or choosing to embrace the gospel message) but only because of the good pleasure of God, who has mercy on whom He will have mercy according to His plans to the praise of His glorious grace. It does not mean His selection is arbitrary, but the reasons for His determination are never that the elect merited salvation more than the reprobate. Often this doctrine is criticized as embodying pride, or as giving the Calvinist sinful pride. Nothing could be more scandalous or further from the truth. For I know that I am absolutely no better than the reprobate, and there was nothing about me which made me more desirable than the reprobate, but I can look at every single one of them as they march happily into the maw of hell screeching their hatred of God and say "there go I but for the grace of God". 

>Limited Atonement
This is perhaps the least well understood doctrine, regrettably in large part due to its unfortunate naming to create the TULIP acrostic. The limitation which is referenced is not one of efficiency but of scope, that is, Christ's death was certainly sufficient to save all men who will ever exist, but it was not His intention do so. But this doctrine is much more about what Christ has accomplished than what He has not. To deny this doctrine is to deny that Christ saved those for whom He died, and to assert that His sacrifice merely enabled them to be saved by some other convoluted means, which seems a much more pernicious limitation. For what this doctrine really means is that Christ accomplished the salvation of the elect upon the cross, so that every one of them can say "I have been crucified with Christ. It is now not I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me". Can the reprobate say this? Can he climb up on the parapets of hell, scream out his hatred of God, and say "I have been crucified with Christ"? Was it for a nameless, faceless mass of humanity that Christ died, to enable them to save themselves if they so desired, or did the Son of God love me and give Himself for me?

>Irresistible Grace
This doctrine is also named literally, as it means that the grace of God cannot be resisted by the elect, that is, they do not have the power to reject His powerful resurrecting grace, but the Spirit changes their hearts to make of them sons of God. They are a new creation, not the same wicked creature which once despised his maker, but they are freed from slavery to sin, so that they may flee with tears to the mercy of Christ, and kneel without hesitation to His Lordship. This is what the Lord meant when He said, "you must be born again".
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>How about you just relax and try to think things through.

That's funny coming from someone who has to undergo pretty entertaining mental gymnastics:
>Heli is another name of Joachim the father of Mary the father-in-law of Joseph.

>Mary had no brothers only a sister so Joseph as son-in-law is the legal son and inheritor of Heli
(I'd like scripture cited for both of these claims, by the way)
>Again, the Sadducees and Pharisees never attacked Jesus
Jew, you could put a full stop here.

The funniest thing about all this argument is, however, that this 'apparent contradiction' is more or less irrelevant. Meaning of Christ's sacrifice, and of the following sacrifices of Apostles and other Witnesses is not in any way hindered if Joseph was, in fact, a bum and not a direct descendant of kings (how many direct descendants of kings with working class jobs do you know?).

A camera can still take a picture despite specs of dust clinging to the lens and dead channels in the matrix. Likewise, truth in the Bible can still shine through despite imperfections of its' writers, whether due to their memory, lack of formal education in a kind of high-brow Greek that is used in philosophical discussions, or plain error accumulation inevitable during the times when books had to be transcribed.

"Every single word in the Bible is perfect, completely
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>>26913
Heli is short for Heli-Achim ("God prepares"), and the variant is Jeho-achim. John 19:25.

>Jew, you could put a full stop here.
Another ad-hominem. I can tell you do not want to argue in good faith since you purposely conflate rabbinic Judaism with Christianity. Unless you are one of those from /pol/ who do not understand the difference between Israelite religion, Christianity, and rabbinic Judaism. Be that as it may, I don't plan on continuing this debate since you lack sincerity.
>you purposely conflate rabbinic Judaism with Christianity
Were you looking in a mirror while writing this post? 
>understand the difference between Israelite religion, Christianity, and rabbinic Judaism
Difference between Jewish religion and the other Jewish religion (rabbinic Judaism): none
Difference between Christianity and either: infinity.

See, this is a problem. Not listening to the good man Marcion ended up with the Church being forced into a schizophrenic position where you have to truly believe that at some point in (mythic) history, Jews were good and Godly people, whereas evidence of your eyes and ears, as well as testimony of the ancient peoples who were contemporary of those mythical "Good Jews", point towards the fact they had always been a tribe of desert marauders following Hottentot morality and possessing proclivity for thieving only matched by Gypsies.
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>>26696

>APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CATHOLIC
>Jewish Pope Francis

Who's gonna tell Anon that this isn't how it works lmao
>>26919
Meds

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Merry Christmas
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>>27039
Why don't you capitalize Christ in your name?
Merry Christmas everyone! May God bless you all!
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>>27039
merry Christmas BO
Blessed Octave-day of Christmas and Feast of the Circumcision and Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God.
For anons on the old Julian calendar

CHRIST IS BORN!

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Blessings, Brothers. I appreciate the idea of mastering OT Hebrew, but I wonder how feasible it would be without ZOG contamination and such shenanigans? Should I stop just fter appreciting some passages and songs, or should I venture beyond niqqudot and basic grammar? Or should I do something else entirely, like reading the Peshitta or the Septuagint? This thread doesn't need to become 'denomination-sensitive'. Simply assume I'm a layman who wishes a closer and breadpilled contact with the Lord and his Word. Thanks.

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ITT: post resources and advice for refuting the Jewish religion and demonstrating that the Christian religion is the religion of the Tanakh. 

Real Messiah youtube channel (Rev. Dr. Michael Brown answers Jewish objections to Jesus): https://youtube.com/c/RealMessiah/videos

Particularly good vid from the above, "Psalm 22 does not speak of death by crucifixion" https://youtu.be/5QdbLUKhVcE

One For Israel youtube channel (Israeli Christians make arguments and counter-arguments against Judaism, also many testimonies from Jewish converts to Christianity) https://youtube.com/c/ONEFORISRAEL


Some personal tips for evangelizing Jews from my own experience: firstly recognize that the Jews come in a few categories. Jewish atheists are not relevant to this thread, they should be dealt with as any other atheist. Some Jews will view Jesus as a wise rabbi, most who oppose you will view Him as a sorcerer (this should not surprise you as we see much the same division between the unbelieving Jews in the gospels). Some Jews will be more or less informed about their religion and ours, but the ones to watch out for are those (typically orthodox but probably at least conse
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>>25993
BASED Eitan Bar
>The Talmud
It's amazing that in the same book that has heinous and ridiculously childish play-ground insult-level attacks against Jesus, have some actual truth, shows that God's light shines in even the darkest places.
>>25995
>tl;dr: talmud says God quit accepting Jewish animal sacrifices once Jesus died and rose again.
Pretty much
Also, according to my knowledge, Jesus may have been born in 3 BC, so that would explain it (in my opinion)
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reposting from /sp/ of all places the proper meaning of judeo-christian
i'm sure it was one of you that wrote this anyhow
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>>26568
>reposting from /sp/ of all places the proper meaning of judeo-christian
Source thread?
Should Christians Support Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDi9YO9WkgM

Judaism is not what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3AaXw09WQA

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