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>>22521 (OP) 
>I was looking for a charity
Anony, this is your first mistake. If you want to help someone, do it directly. You should not trust shady third parties to do it for you.

>>22526
If they don't seem dangerous you can give them some food, bottles of water, blankets, warm clothing, or gift cards for businesses that don't sell alcohol/tobacco. Or leave it at their spot when they aren't there.
If you donate to charities like can drives, clothing drives, or food banks it's also less likely that they'll misuse your donation on something bad since you're directly giving goods and not money.

Firearms Policy Coalition? They openly and repeatedly call out how gun grabs disproportionately harm the poor.

Try outreach programs that have an Amazon Wishlist for donating goods, and not money, to them? It's what I do. Call me crazy, but I suppose it is hard for most Communist agitators to covet non-premium branded socks, underwear, blankets, toiletry kits, snacks, and other essential items for the homeless. Neither can I imagine most homeless wanting a sermon from the Church of Science about how their homelessness is because of the evil white man.

>>25628
>For some reason it always reminds me of a Mad Max setting.
Yeah, that's a pretty cool way of looking at things Anon. I think the Christian church has been pansified (largely due to unrestrained behavior of women) to the point where they seem somehow to forget it is an awesome and mighty God with Whom we all have to do. His holiness will brook no rivals.

I think most people agree that Exodus is the best part of first testament

>>20903
>The sacrifice of Isaac
ditto

>>17420 (OP) 
Genesis 6

>>17420 (OP) 
The story between Judges 17 and 21.
>In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
>every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Because the USA prides itself on being the first free nation in all of history. And moral relativism prides itself on being a new way of thinking never before seen in all of history. But free nations and relativism are as old as the Old Testament. And both were as full of lies, greed, fornication, and murder back then as they are today. Knowing that there is nothing new under the sun brings a mocking smirk against secularism to my face.

Also Job, after finally figuring out the theme of the book. It's an instruction on the nature of God, upon the setup of man's futility in using his own wisdom to justify himself (which is what Job does,) and man's futility in using his own wisdom to condemn that which God shall not forever cast off (which is what Job's friends do.)

>>26989
Yes, persecution is a necessary condition of truth (John 15:18-20), but it is not a sufficient condition. If the world loves someone, then that would indicate that he doesn't have the truth. But the reverse is not always true: persecution alone is not sufficient proof that someone has the truth. The world is full of tribes and factions that are persecuted - it doesn't mean that they're all true. If it did, then Buddhists are true because they were persecuted by Hindus; Hindus are true because they were persecuted by Muslims; Muslims are true because they were persecuted by communists in Cambodia; communists are true because they were persecuted by western governments in the 20th Century; etc...

>>26993
>The world is full of tribes and factions that are persecuted
The world hates Christ without a cause John 15:25. Lets go down your list and pick it apart one by one. Buhdists and Hindus are essentially the same thing. Buhdists were the original hindus and their economy and culture were upheaved by arabians as the arabians lusted after their riches. Indian hindu's were persecuted by arabian muslims because of the love of money, india was one of the wealthiest nations at the time of their invasion. In modern times they are at peace. In modern times they do not invade as india is a much poorer country. The muslims in Cambodia were persecuted by the vietnamese for invading their society as to destroy it and steal their stuff.

>communists are true because they were persecuted by western governments in the 20th Century
Do you have any proof of this? Western nations controlled by the ((( chaldeans ))) are far more communial and controlling of their economies then any soviet bloc nation was. 

Its very easy to see if the warring is because of lust or some carnal reason. The hard part is seeing if the persecution is because of some carnal reason or is without a cause. Did the neighboring states to where the mormon's settled in Utah like Missouri, have a cause to drive them out? They were of the same tribe

>>26996
There was truly no just cause to hate Jesus. But you can't interpret "without a cause" in the absolute sense, because scripture does list wicked causes for which evil men persecuted Jesus:
>"For he [Pilate] knew that for envy they had delivered him [Jesus]." Matthew 27:18
>"If we [chief priests and Pharisees] let him [Jesus] thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation." John 11:48
In those two scriptures are listed envy, fear, and possibly greed and lust for power (worry over "their place" being taken away). Pilate ordered the crucifixion because he was afraid for his own life and position:
>"And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar." John 19:12

I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of historical argument because, like you said regarding the Mormons - it was just to serve as an example. I'm having trouble following your point. Could you be more explicit? Are you arguing that Anabaptists are persecuted without any cause whatsoever, and that is sufficient proof that they hold the truth?

>>26998
<There was truly no just cause
You are adding words that were not there. Down the list we go again
In Matthew 27:18 the crowd had delivered Jesus unto Pilate for persecution, a democratic act by the way. Is envy a cause? To envy is to be jealous. Is jealousy a cause to hate a man? Hate is to hate a man. Envy is to be envious these are feelings not the feeling or action of hate. In John 11:48 you are putting words there that are not there, not once does it mention fear. Its more of a matter of fact statement. If anything you could argue that its a statement of greed of their positions. For the romans would have taken the chief priests and the Pharisees positions away.

As for the john 19:12 quote, Pilates sense of mind was to release Jesus not to hate Him as its heavily implied Pilate actually supported Jesus and did not hate Him in later verses e.g John 19:14-15
>And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
>But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Cæsar.

>Are you arguing that Anabaptists are persecuted without any cause whatsoever
Kinda sorta no and yes. Like in the example I gave not everyone is born after the Spirit e.g Ecclesasties 3:18-21. So there are those who can not recieve the things of God 1 Corinthians 2:11-14. Therefore they are of the world and would have a cause to war with eachother.

That is completely different then some carnal person without a spirit or some completely carnally acting person with a spirit manifesting the mystery of iniquity and pursueing a born again with a spirit disciple of Christ who is acting and thinking spiritually.

>and that is sufficient proof that they hold the truth?

>>26837
Pretty much, when you think about it. Since the historicity of Christ, the early church, and the events of the OT grow stronger each day with modern archaeology, most atheists are left with attempting to attack the base of the Jenga blocks to topple the tower. But doing so is futile since they can't disprove what we already know happened.

>>26837
I say no because you have the really common (and autistic) argument that "believing in God used to be reasonable, but now we have Science(tm)" which is difficult to decipher as to what that's even supposed to mean, let alone connect it to something so specific.

>>26822
Documents were never dated that way even by secularists because at best that would only give you the age of the materials not the text.

>>26849
So, would it be best to frame it instead as a clash of opposing epistemologies? Empiricism versus rationalism.

>>24165
The Septuagint hands down. Required viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE

>>26892
I have never heard it ever enterained anywhere that he held any inclination of gnostic thought. The problem with being creative is that people will see whatever they want within your work despite what you intend.

>I have never heard it ever enterained anywhere

A quick search could easily show you it is a pretty old topic in multiple languages.

>>26898
 A quick Google search could reveal many things and yet not make it a mainstream suggestion.

>>26900
>I need things to be in the mainstream in order to consider them
May I suggest returning to cuckchan or plebbit?

>>26915
Do you need an echo chamber?

>nujaks

>>23278
>Even a child knows that if the universe had a beginning, then something must have existed before it.
That just moves things one step backwards.
>>26725
Even worse, it is AI generated.

>>26726
That just moves things one step backwards.
To the uncaused source of all things, which is logically necessary for the existence of something which does have a cause.
Its a simple premise; anything that has a begin, and we know the universe does for multiple reasons such as entropy, requires something to begin it. 
>That just moves it back
Is a non-argument in the first place, since it still doesn't provide an explanation for how anything exists. Indeed, materialism can never explain how anything exist. The very nature of everything in the universe requires something unbound by that nature to even be here.If nothing uncaused could exist, than nothing could exist.

But the universe itself cannot be this uncaused source because know it had a beginning, we know it is undergoing entropy and changing into an ultimate state of uniformity which is fundamentally incompatible with the idea that the universe always existed because then the universe would have 'already' reached that state
In short, the finite logically cannot exist without the infinite.

>incites extreme racial supremacy
>and woman oppression
>utter schizo shit

Stop making demon worshippers sound good.

>>22029
so trve anon, so trve

>>26659 (OP) 
These miracles lead people to Christ and the church, which would be the opposite of what Satan would want.

>>26793
Do they? At what cost? Men and women of remarkable perseverance in discipleship are to be celebrated, especially the example of those who willingly suffered and died for Christ. This is proper veneration, without graven images. I have even known Catholics and Orthodox brothers who had a sober understanding of sainthood and veneration, but I fear they are an infinitesimal minority: most will simply run to the idol-mongers hoping to find magical recipes and amulets until Jesus has so small a place in their hearts that it doesn't make much difference. The OP brought the issue of miracles attributed to the saints or, more precisely, to the favour they were able to obtain from the Lord. Do most believers care about this precision, though? How many are not left with the impression that the saints, and not Christ, are performing those miracles?

>>26794
Funny you should mention that. Today I shared the gospel with a good aquaintance. I asked him if he goes to church (as I had a feeling from prior chats that if I asked him if he was Christian, he would say yes). It turns out he's Roman Catholic. I asked him if they ever told him how to be saved and go to Heaven. He responded uncertainly, saying: "yes, you know... be a good person". He showed me a little 4" statue of a saint, and some kind of tabletop locket (I don't know what it's called - it opens and has a photo of a bearded saint on one side, and words on the other). He started telling me about the miracles done by this saint. He never mentioned Jesus during our whole conversation.

I had a pocket New Testament and shared with him scriptures showing that it's Christ alone who saves us, and he did all of the work. Our part is simply to trust in him, and we go to Heaven. I shared the verses in Romans 3, which say there are no good people and we're all sinners. I shared the scriptures about the unnamed crucified thief, who was a criminal who did no good works, who simply changed his mind at the very end, recognized his own sinfulness (contrasted with who Jesus truly was and Jesus' sinlessness) and asked in faith for Jesus to remember him. Jesus promised him Heaven. I shared Romans 4:5 ("But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteou

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>Guadalupe
Of all Marian apparitions... fiery, spines, sparks... Holy smokes! It shows through 2d. What abominations wouldn't have amused themselves going by that name and losing souls!

Idolatry is such a disgraceful sin, a nail striking the soul, a rabid bark against the Lord... one finds it here once and there again, until it permeates every aspect of one's life. Isn't the slope a slippery one indeed? It tears our agency away as individuals and societies, it normalises degeneracy on every level, to the point of infanticide and ostensive human sacrifice to demons. Monetised snuff. ((( Zeitgeist ))). Lord please speak to the anon's friend, show him even a shimmer of Paul's favour, that by Your own voice he may come to straighten his ways and rejoice in Your mercy. Would you not possibly, Father, consider to also give me and my bros the strength to fear and love You alone? Please let us not remain slaves to sin, this whole pit of golden calves. Please, have mercy. In Jesus' name. Amen.

>>26797
As a Catholic I agree that your friend was definitely misguided

The traditional Catholic view is that salvation is through God by having faith in Jesus and following his commandments ("following his commandments" are what we consider works and sacraments).

With that being said, I don't think he was idolizing that Saint. To worship something means to treat it as God which he obviously did not do. The Catholic "idols" are usually akin to something like the nativity during Christmas time.

With that being said, thanks for helping your friend. God bless you.

>>23615
It also lends itself to the possibility of subordinationism and Arianism that the filioque is designed to exclude.

>>23616
>Grab a pen and paper and draw it.
It's just a matter of perspective. The Father begets the Son and the Spirit proceeds from the two as if a single principle. So if you didn't draw the relations as a triangle, but rather were looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source. Our God is three-dimensional.

>>23618
>from the two as if a single principle.
And we know from Florence, Latin principle = Greek cause.
Therefore
>from the two as a single cause
>From the [Father and the Son] as a cause. 
Therefore, the son IS a cause of the Holy Spirit. 

Which s EXACTLY what the Orthodox reject. They believe the father is the only cause. 
There is no way around it now. 2=/=1. 
Catholics would have to backtrack the declarative statement of a council ratified by the Pope 600 years ago. Which they cannot and will not do. 
If it were so simple as saying "from the Father through the son" we would've reunited it by now.

>>23618
>looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source.
Rev 22:1
Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

>>23619
>They believe the father is the only cause. 
But do they actually, since they seem to believe in a variety of things so long as they disagree with what the scummy Latins believe.

>>23586 (OP) 
My intuition tells be the most humble answer would be something along the lines of: "God was vauge in the scriptures, we don't know how all of this works for certain.".

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>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.
>I scourged Egypt for your sake with its first-born sons and you scourged me and handed me over.
>I led you out of Egypt as Pharaoh lay sunk in the Red Sea and you handed me over to the chief priests.
>I opened up the sea before you and you opened my side with a lance.
>I went before you in a pillar of cloud and you led me into Pilate's palace.
>I fed you with manna in the desert and on me you rained blows and lashes.
>I gave you saving water from the rock to drink and for drink you gave me gall and vinegar.
>I struck down for you the kings of the Canaanites and you struck my head with a reed.
>I put in your hand a royal sceptre and you put on my head a crown of thorns.
>I exalted you with great power and you hung me on the scaffold of the cross.
>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.

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Rejoice, heavenly powers! Sing choirs of angels!
Exult, all creation around God's throne! Jesus Christ, our King, is risen! Sound the trumpet of salvation!
Rejoice, O earth, in shining splendour, radiant in the brightness of your King! Christ has conquered! Glory fills you! Darkness vanishes forever!
Rejoice, O Mother Church! Exult in glory!
The risen Saviour shines upon you! Let this place resound with joy, echoing the mighty song of all God's people!

This is the night when you first saved our Fathers: you freed the people of Israel from their slavery and led them dry-shod through the sea.
This is the night when the pillar of fire destroyed the darkness of sin!
This is the night when Christians everywhere, washed clean of sin and freed from all defilement, are restored to grace and grow together in holiness.
This is the night when Jesus Christ broke the chains of death and rose triumphant from the grave.

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O Death, where is your victory?
O Death, where is your sting?

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Post palms from Palm Sunday.

And given that this is a christian board, for example, God knew christ was going to die in the cross, and let him to die and suffer, not because he hated him, but because he loved him. This is paternal love.

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>Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
When people say "love" to-day, they're almost always referring to either erotic love or a passive live-and-let-live attitude towards other people. Both are distinct from Christian love. I've always had a bit of an aversion to English-speaking people casually using the word agape to refer to Christian love (probably as a result of growing up around Episcopalians who would do the same with Hebrew words), but it is correct to do so and could be helpful.

>>26577
I love you too, anon~.

>>26577
In fact, the concept of amor fati is not christian, is from the greek stoic philosophy and in modernity comes from atheists, like camus or nietzsche, i was just using that biblical tale as an example, and is not like he truly died, because was a fucking immortal god.
This concept is somewhat different of the christian concept of love, but both are superior to the modern liquid love (which is a jewish anti-capitalist concept btw, but has some degree of truth)

yeah there's a lot of people who love themselves, so they try to be inoffensive so that no one will dislike them and try to spin their altruism as selfless love, but truthfully loving someone or something is to want what's best, even if it hurts him or her, or yourself.