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>>26796
Based, and a sobering start.

>remove religion
>promote degeneracy
This is the part I can't stomach. How many will not be lost to the current state of things and their triumphant brokenness. I feel it in my heart that I have to be open to the possibility that righteous people exist at God's pleasure, everywhere and nowhere, in every niche of the socio-political landscape but for the most egregiously demonic. Test, with patience and loving kindness, because Jesus said so. I pray that our civility stands on His spiritual reality, and not on any secular reason. This is how the people of the God prepare to look at worldly things without becoming worldly themselves. Amen.

Consider this, please. Both candidates are 777% what Schlomohomo wants. Both ostensively give a living demon like Netanyahu whatever he wants, among a laundry list of scandals. It may be the case that no institutional politicians would ever even become présidentiable without ((( their ))) blessing. I don't know what we should be doing about this, honestly. A Christian party? Aren't there too many already? Not in the US, but does that even matter? Any dealings with these people, whom we test as per the above, and most unfortunately, are literally jumping into a pit of spiritual vipers. Christian anarchist ways? I have an interest in p

>>26796
Just as the video in this anon's reply says, no matter what happens with this election or any elections thereafter, Jesus will win. The Word of God will be fulfilled. Of course, I am also aware that the outcome of the election will also have immediate and long-term effects on our current society, outcomes that have the potential to bring some amount of pain and suffering. Even so, I'm thankful for this chance for people to learn/be reminded of this valuable lesson: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23 NKJV)."
People rely a lot on elected officials and leaders. Oftentimes, many will put these leaders on a pedestal, see them as untouchable, infallible. But of course, every single one of them is human, guilty of sin like everyone else. As the election process continues, and political candidates/leaders continue to make mistakes, I pray that people will turn their gaze upward to see the One who is truly infallible: our loving Father. 
Of course, if there is some way for the election to become more reasonable and less tumultuous, I would be very thankful. 

>>26798
Your reply is very thought provoking, thank you. Sadly I don't have answers to all of your questions, but I do have some thoughts. 
>I don't know what we should be doing about this, honestly. A Christian party?

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>'Alien' perspectives lovingly appreciated.
What did he mean by this?

>>26852
Aliens can believe in Christ also...right?

>nujaks

>>23278
>Even a child knows that if the universe had a beginning, then something must have existed before it.
That just moves things one step backwards.
>>26725
Even worse, it is AI generated.

>>26726
That just moves things one step backwards.
To the uncaused source of all things, which is logically necessary for the existence of something which does have a cause.
Its a simple premise; anything that has a begin, and we know the universe does for multiple reasons such as entropy, requires something to begin it. 
>That just moves it back
Is a non-argument in the first place, since it still doesn't provide an explanation for how anything exists. Indeed, materialism can never explain how anything exist. The very nature of everything in the universe requires something unbound by that nature to even be here.If nothing uncaused could exist, than nothing could exist.

But the universe itself cannot be this uncaused source because know it had a beginning, we know it is undergoing entropy and changing into an ultimate state of uniformity which is fundamentally incompatible with the idea that the universe always existed because then the universe would have 'already' reached that state
In short, the finite logically cannot exist without the infinite.

>incites extreme racial supremacy
>and woman oppression
>utter schizo shit

Stop making demon worshippers sound good.

>>22029
so trve anon, so trve

>>26772 (OP) 
Based OP

>>26659 (OP) 
These miracles lead people to Christ and the church, which would be the opposite of what Satan would want.

>>26793
Do they? At what cost? Men and women of remarkable perseverance in discipleship are to be celebrated, especially the example of those who willingly suffered and died for Christ. This is proper veneration, without graven images. I have even known Catholics and Orthodox brothers who had a sober understanding of sainthood and veneration, but I fear they are an infinitesimal minority: most will simply run to the idol-mongers hoping to find magical recipes and amulets until Jesus has so small a place in their hearts that it doesn't make much difference. The OP brought the issue of miracles attributed to the saints or, more precisely, to the favour they were able to obtain from the Lord. Do most believers care about this precision, though? How many are not left with the impression that the saints, and not Christ, are performing those miracles?

>>26794
Funny you should mention that. Today I shared the gospel with a good aquaintance. I asked him if he goes to church (as I had a feeling from prior chats that if I asked him if he was Christian, he would say yes). It turns out he's Roman Catholic. I asked him if they ever told him how to be saved and go to Heaven. He responded uncertainly, saying: "yes, you know... be a good person". He showed me a little 4" statue of a saint, and some kind of tabletop locket (I don't know what it's called - it opens and has a photo of a bearded saint on one side, and words on the other). He started telling me about the miracles done by this saint. He never mentioned Jesus during our whole conversation.

I had a pocket New Testament and shared with him scriptures showing that it's Christ alone who saves us, and he did all of the work. Our part is simply to trust in him, and we go to Heaven. I shared the verses in Romans 3, which say there are no good people and we're all sinners. I shared the scriptures about the unnamed crucified thief, who was a criminal who did no good works, who simply changed his mind at the very end, recognized his own sinfulness (contrasted with who Jesus truly was and Jesus' sinlessness) and asked in faith for Jesus to remember him. Jesus promised him Heaven. I shared Romans 4:5 ("But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteou

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>Guadalupe
Of all Marian apparitions... fiery, spines, sparks... Holy smokes! It shows through 2d. What abominations wouldn't have amused themselves going by that name and losing souls!

Idolatry is such a disgraceful sin, a nail striking the soul, a rabid bark against the Lord... one finds it here once and there again, until it permeates every aspect of one's life. Isn't the slope a slippery one indeed? It tears our agency away as individuals and societies, it normalises degeneracy on every level, to the point of infanticide and ostensive human sacrifice to demons. Monetised snuff. ((( Zeitgeist ))). Lord please speak to the anon's friend, show him even a shimmer of Paul's favour, that by Your own voice he may come to straighten his ways and rejoice in Your mercy. Would you not possibly, Father, consider to also give me and my bros the strength to fear and love You alone? Please let us not remain slaves to sin, this whole pit of golden calves. Please, have mercy. In Jesus' name. Amen.

>>26797
As a Catholic I agree that your friend was definitely misguided

The traditional Catholic view is that salvation is through God by having faith in Jesus and following his commandments ("following his commandments" are what we consider works and sacraments).

With that being said, I don't think he was idolizing that Saint. To worship something means to treat it as God which he obviously did not do. The Catholic "idols" are usually akin to something like the nativity during Christmas time.

With that being said, thanks for helping your friend. God bless you.

I'll be praying for you.
We also have a thread on this if you'd like to talk more >>22229

>>26716 (OP) 
Fear nothing, anon; the Lord is with you. Trust him with everything, and he will give you more in the next life than you could ever imagine. But that won't happen if you kill yourself, for the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" applies to your own self as well. I hope and pray that your situation will improve, but in the meantime, hold tightly to Jesus and don't let go no matter what.

>>26716 (OP) 
Indeed, you have nothing to fear. Do not submit to panic, to anxiety. Instead, submit yourself to God. You don't have to deal with this alone. It may be tempting to hide yourself away, but bring it all to God and pray for strength and understanding. Even if you don't know what to say, pray and you will find peace. Because no matter how much pressure you feel, God is stronger than all of it. 

>"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4:6-7)"

And even if have disdain for yourself right now, remember also that God loves you more than you can ever understand. So much so that he gave his only begotten Son to pay the price for our sins. 

Keep moving forward, keep praying, and always keep your eyes on Christ. With Him you can overcome anything; the machinations of the evil one are nothing. 

>"God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. (Psalm 46:1)"

>“Can a woman forget her nursing child, And not have compassion on the son of her womb? Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you. (Isaiah 49:15)"

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While it is an appealing position, or should be at any rate since we shouldn't be willing that any man perish, I think there are many verses they would need to reconcile this position with such as Matthew 7:13.

I believe the Catholic position is to hold the hope that people can be saved after death, but do not definitively state that it can happen since the Scriptures do not appear to either. Universalism is going a step beyond even in stating that everyone will be saved. Beyond the seeming lack of a guarantee for this in the Bible, I am also hesitant on this position because there are many people who seem proud or spiteful enough that they would not even repent after death if they had the option.

the lack of univesalism is just turning christianism into judaism, another reason why the protestant movement is the biggest heresy ever made.

>>26704
I would agree with his position, it makes the most sense to hope for universalism, but confident universalism seems like a step too far.

Matthew 7:13 usually isn't viewed as the number of people being saved, but a parable given by Jesus. It wouldn't make sense to think of it as a numerical calculation for who is saved (especially since other parables, such as the wheat and tares and 10 virgins would contradict the small number of saved.) Other verses, such as Rev 7:9, and Rom. 5:15-20 would contradict this.

Even if it was the number of people saved, universalists assert that people would be led to destruction, be purified, and then enter heaven.

Again, I'm not a universalist, I think that it is possible but not a given.

>>26705
No denomination (Western Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Various sects of Protestantism) has universalism as an actual doctrine. To be fair, Eastern Orthodoxy comes a lot closer, since hell is considered a mystery and thus their are more Apokatastasis believers.

If Protestantism didn't exist, universalism still wouldn't be the prevailing doctrine.

Obviously, you can believe whatever you want and I'm not here to debate you on Protestantism (It's not the main point of this thread anyway), just thought this was an interesting comment, since Protestants did not invent the doctrine of hell by any means..

>>23615
It also lends itself to the possibility of subordinationism and Arianism that the filioque is designed to exclude.

>>23616
>Grab a pen and paper and draw it.
It's just a matter of perspective. The Father begets the Son and the Spirit proceeds from the two as if a single principle. So if you didn't draw the relations as a triangle, but rather were looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source. Our God is three-dimensional.

>>23618
>from the two as if a single principle.
And we know from Florence, Latin principle = Greek cause.
Therefore
>from the two as a single cause
>From the [Father and the Son] as a cause. 
Therefore, the son IS a cause of the Holy Spirit. 

Which s EXACTLY what the Orthodox reject. They believe the father is the only cause. 
There is no way around it now. 2=/=1. 
Catholics would have to backtrack the declarative statement of a council ratified by the Pope 600 years ago. Which they cannot and will not do. 
If it were so simple as saying "from the Father through the son" we would've reunited it by now.

>>23618
>looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source.
Rev 22:1
Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

>>23619
>They believe the father is the only cause. 
But do they actually, since they seem to believe in a variety of things so long as they disagree with what the scummy Latins believe.

>>23586 (OP) 
My intuition tells be the most humble answer would be something along the lines of: "God was vauge in the scriptures, we don't know how all of this works for certain.".

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>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.
>I scourged Egypt for your sake with its first-born sons and you scourged me and handed me over.
>I led you out of Egypt as Pharaoh lay sunk in the Red Sea and you handed me over to the chief priests.
>I opened up the sea before you and you opened my side with a lance.
>I went before you in a pillar of cloud and you led me into Pilate's palace.
>I fed you with manna in the desert and on me you rained blows and lashes.
>I gave you saving water from the rock to drink and for drink you gave me gall and vinegar.
>I struck down for you the kings of the Canaanites and you struck my head with a reed.
>I put in your hand a royal sceptre and you put on my head a crown of thorns.
>I exalted you with great power and you hung me on the scaffold of the cross.
>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.

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Rejoice, heavenly powers! Sing choirs of angels!
Exult, all creation around God's throne! Jesus Christ, our King, is risen! Sound the trumpet of salvation!
Rejoice, O earth, in shining splendour, radiant in the brightness of your King! Christ has conquered! Glory fills you! Darkness vanishes forever!
Rejoice, O Mother Church! Exult in glory!
The risen Saviour shines upon you! Let this place resound with joy, echoing the mighty song of all God's people!

This is the night when you first saved our Fathers: you freed the people of Israel from their slavery and led them dry-shod through the sea.
This is the night when the pillar of fire destroyed the darkness of sin!
This is the night when Christians everywhere, washed clean of sin and freed from all defilement, are restored to grace and grow together in holiness.
This is the night when Jesus Christ broke the chains of death and rose triumphant from the grave.

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O Death, where is your victory?
O Death, where is your sting?

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Post palms from Palm Sunday.

And given that this is a christian board, for example, God knew christ was going to die in the cross, and let him to die and suffer, not because he hated him, but because he loved him. This is paternal love.

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>Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
When people say "love" to-day, they're almost always referring to either erotic love or a passive live-and-let-live attitude towards other people. Both are distinct from Christian love. I've always had a bit of an aversion to English-speaking people casually using the word agape to refer to Christian love (probably as a result of growing up around Episcopalians who would do the same with Hebrew words), but it is correct to do so and could be helpful.

>>26577
I love you too, anon~.

>>26577
In fact, the concept of amor fati is not christian, is from the greek stoic philosophy and in modernity comes from atheists, like camus or nietzsche, i was just using that biblical tale as an example, and is not like he truly died, because was a fucking immortal god.
This concept is somewhat different of the christian concept of love, but both are superior to the modern liquid love (which is a jewish anti-capitalist concept btw, but has some degree of truth)

yeah there's a lot of people who love themselves, so they try to be inoffensive so that no one will dislike them and try to spin their altruism as selfless love, but truthfully loving someone or something is to want what's best, even if it hurts him or her, or yourself.