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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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Why did the angels help Lot escape?
His family were the only people of God left in the city, and they were being harassed by the sodomites who wanted to gangrape them. The angels delivered them from physical harm.
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>>26050
But he offered the sodomites his daughters to rape in the place of the angels. 
I suppose they did turn out to be incestuous scum in the end who raped Lot, but still.

Maybe the angels didn't hear that offer of his, but if it was me, I would've gone "never mind" and ditched them all.
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>>26059
Yes, but what else happens? The very daughters that Lot offered up to be raped went on to rape Lot, giving birth to the Moabites and the Ammonites enemies of Israel. So perhaps Lot was punished after all.
Lot paid for his poor judgement when he left his uncle to live with the sodomites. This is very dense Scripture, but I often think of it as a cautionary tale against compromising with the ungodly and their ways. Seriously, how can you raise children to love and fear the Lord in any major globohomo-infested ((( cosmopolitan ))) Western city?
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>Seriously, how can you raise children to love and fear the Lord in any major globohomo-infested ((( cosmopolitan ))) Western city?
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So I am sort of Bi although a devout Christian (Yes call me a fag IDK) and I am fucking annoyed with the LGBT community to no ends. I have a friend who is a Lesbian Atheist that agrees with a lot of morality that Christian ideology brings and even she notices that the LGBT community is self sabatoging. They like to present themselves as a community that wants to love their partners but in practice they are just constantly hooking up with one another. The LGBT community should have gatekept more in my opinion or needs to be shamed when they behave in a sort of manner.

Like I personally don't give a shit if 2 guys wanna slam the ass and you are free to disagree with me but I do think that the fucking pride parade types are fucking atrocious. Its like they revolve their entire lifestyle arround being gay as if it was their own religion.

I even have a theory that men who become women are the main vectors of disease because they believe that the more men wanna have sex with them then the more they pass and are validated.
IDK where the fuck this rant is going but I just wanted to talk about that shit.

Personally I have a lot of gay friends but they are almost always very much against the gay community and are Christian themselves, asside from that one girl.
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>>26024
This is an imageboard after all so one should expect to see some degree of caustic speech, but I would agree its not helpful.
>>26036
I'd say there are a few things we should separate. One is engaging on homosexual activity. That's wrong and disordered and, thankfully, I doubt I have to convince anyone here about that. We all know it's a heinous sin. Even in cultures like Ancient Greece, marriage was always between a man and a woman, homosexual relationships were more like a past time, always between people with a huge age gap and didn't involve anal penetration, which was seen as unnatural.

Now, people may also have homosexual temptations. That's no different from many other sexual temptations. You must not lust after a woman, you must not see her as a way to placate your desires; straight people also deal with a lot of sexual temptation. Straight people can also feel attracted to people they shouldn't date: maybe they're already in a relationship, or there's an age difference, or you've had the bad luck to fall in love with your cousin. Feelings can play all sort of nasty tricks on you, what matters is that you recognize what's right and what isn't and follow that instead of your feelings, no matter how intense they are.

There's a third thing, and it's what is sometimes called "homosexual affection". I may be nicer to a girl cause she's cute and I find her pleasant, even though I'm not planing to date her, and I can do so without lusting after her. She's just nice to be around and I'm just being kind. Some people have an easier
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Also, I'd love to hear testimony from people who are homosexual and practicing Christians (that is, they live chastely). If anyone could share their experience or knows of some good interviews, it'd be lovely. It's a topic that comes up a lot and people do have genuine sometimes honest questions about it, and not just the usual "but I like wrong why it has to be bad".
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>>26053
If they're "chaste homosexuals", they're just chaste and confused, but at least they're not sinning. Ask God to show you the truth.
Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
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>"But I can't choose what I'm attracted to!". Precisely, all the more reason to not let it define you.
100% truth, anon. That's the problem with hypersexuality, people who suffer it often let it define them. Ever noticed how people addicted to hentai are always freaking out about how much they like l*lis? Furries make their whole personality revolve around being an anthropomorphic animal, etc

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>Asbury University has become the sight of a revival gathering, with students and staff engaging in continual worship and prayer on campus over the past few days.
>What began as part of a scheduled chapel service on Wednesday morning at Hughes Auditorium in Wilmore, Kentucky, has since transformed into a constant impromptu gathering.
>Alexandra Presta, a senior at the university who is also the executive editor for the campus newspaper The Collegian, has witnessed the revival and reported on it.
>Presta told The Christian Post on Friday morning that after the chapel service concluded on Wednesday, “roughly 30 students kept going.” They've been joined by others since then.
>The chapel service featured a sermon by speaker Zach Meerkreebs based on Romans 12 and the topic of “love in action,” Presta told CP.
>“I had left for a few minutes but then felt called to return. Since then, it hasn't stopped. It's been a mix of worship, testimony, prayer, confession, silence,” she explained, calling it “a full experience of the Holy Spirit.”
>Presta estimated that as many as 1,000 people have come to the revival gathering since it started, noting that while “some have come and gone,” there are others who “have slept on the floor and continued to praise God nonst
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>>23868
If they actually pray to Jesus He would give them the grace of repentance and healing. 
But they are probably praying to what they want Jesus to be, some hippie idol.
>>23785
In situations where people put on airs and become dramatic, I do find that there are tiny minorities of genuine hearts in those groups every time; a little light in a dark room makes a huge difference kind of thing.

The popular approbation and grandstanding is tiresome on the whole though, but I hate being a negative nancy every time something potentially encouraging happens.

It all seems like this revival stuff boils down to boomer pride and pretensions.  I find myself pleasantly surprised however with the fruitfulness and levelheadedness I find even if it is only crumbs, but a little manna makes a lot of bread.
>>23825
I'm from Bongistan

Every institution hates God. We all sit here in envy and covetousness of your American excess two-week raves. It's proof that you believe in at least something even if that something is facile, and proof that the university is in no position to ban it like they would do immediately if it were occuring over here.
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>>26283
Thanks for the daily reminder, Bong-fren. I actually grew up near that area. It has a long religious tradition. Quakers, Mennonites, Amish. Asbury is a pretty small, ostensibly Christian university. While this event was clearly squelched by ((( TPTB ))) during Current Year, the great revival that occurred there before during The Jesus Movement had a lasting impact not only on the general region, but also for the entire US nation. In some ways it changed history.
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Chad
>>26283
I'll be praying for you brother
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Are you participating my brother in Christ? Or have you already failed?
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>>26361
Oh yes. Part of the reason the "EasyPeasyMethod" is kind of hard to read through, is because despite getting so many things right (like the DeltaFosB protein), it gets an equal amount of things wrong.
I _want_ to quit, and am quite successful when I remember who's behind making the Greek word for adultery (p*rnographia) free.
If something is "free", especially if it's widespread, chances are something's seriously wrong. And another thing; I was only ever interested in soft pron (not that I ever wanted to start getting addicted, some disgusting pedo hag indoctrinated me at school to believe it was "normal", lmao), and like 99% of what I saw in my life were static, anime/fanart images, even when I first got into it (though it was more real women in the first 2-3 years). And I'm a NEET and (like most people on here) NOT an atheist, so the book is kind of hard to read since I can't relate to a lot of what it's saying.

It's still a book with (what seems to be) good intentions, don't get me wrong, it's just hard to read through a lot of the jumping to conclusions about the reader that it does (of which only like 50% of it is right, so far). I'm not going to give up reading it, just giving some criticisms of it.

...I typed like 4x as much as I wanted to type, I can't be succinct for some reason
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>>26363
>99% of what I saw in my life were static, anime/fanart images
That is, 99% of what I saw when looking for waifus with ill intent
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>>26364
>Our bodies are the most sophisticated objects on the planet. Whether you believe in intelligent design, natural
selection, or a combination of both, our bodies are thousands of times more effective than man! We’re unable to
create the smallest living cell or the miracles of eyesight, reproduction and various interlinked systems present
in our bodies or brains.
Okay, based. Glad I read more. At least they seem to recognize intelligent design. I'm still reading it.
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>Me: “Why do you want to stop?”
User: “I read in a pick-up artist’s blog that it’s good to stop for four days to amp myself up.”
Me: “Aren’t you worried about the health risks?”
>User: “No, I could step under a bus tomorrow.”
>Me: “But would you deliberately step under a bus?”
>User: “Of course not.”
>Me: “Do you not bother to look left and right when you cross the road?”
>User: “Of course I do.”
I'm liking this book more and more as I read, glad I didn't give up on it.
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>(Here’s another thought experiment: let’s >say someone comes to you and says they >don’t necessarily want
>an orgasm but very much want to make >love, even penetratively. They want to do it >for as long and as far as
>you can go without an orgasm — but if it >happens then it’s fine. I assure you of a >phenomenal new sexual
>experience far better than any other, if you >ever get that offer. Try it.)
>Try it.
>Try it.
Uhm, I'm sorry ,what? That's sex outside of marriage (which is what p*rn means in Greek, as I have stated earlier). Am I missing something?

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I decided to check some image-manipulating AI and thew current state of its responses is appalling, at best. To make it short, I prompted one to generate a rendition of the Parousia with a crowned Jesus and biblically-accurate angels. So many things are off... others are egregiously blasphemous, and yet others seemed alright. Do you brothers think one could test and perfect this technology to adhere to the prompt (after a bazillion iterations), or do you think this image alone would prove that the AI spirit is not of God?
AI is made by humans. All it is is a reflection of ourselves.
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>>26353
Humans are made by God. All it is is a reflection of Himself (through us).

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Celebrating Christmas with idolatry trees and cryptopagan idols seems in violation of Jeremiah 10:1-5
>Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them. For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.
So I propose to use the trees and symbols that are approved and shown to symbolize something without turning it into an idol.
Olive Trees that represent Jesus and his church, God's olive trees whose fruits are peace and union.
And use the iberic tradition of the Three Wise men delivering presents.
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>>26328
You didn't watch the video attached to >>26326 did you?
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>>26327
>I made points, which have been ignored and not responded to [...]
Tracing it back:
>>26241
>Why wouldn't it fall under Christian liberty to offer a sacrifice which was outside the bounds of God's law (Lev. 10:1-3)? It was not wrong to offer sacrifice, but it is wrong to worship God in a manner of our own design rather than His.
I answered this here >>26243. Your analogy (equating Christmas with animal sacrifice) is too weak to support your argument because celebrating Christmas is not an active rebuke of his salvation like animal sacrifices are.
>anything which was not abrogated is in effect, and that certainly includes our duty not to add to the divine religion.
The OT has examples of assemblies, sacrifices, thanksgivings, and collective oaths by the better kings of the southern kingdom that don't appear to be expressly commanded in the law, yet apparently were not met with God's displeasure. If you want to classify these as some of the broader thanksgiving offerings permitted under the law, then believers can include Christmas under a thanksgiving offering/celebration, or under the numerous NT admonitions to charity, hospitality, and/or thanksgiving.
>We collectively remember what Christ did in the Lord's Supper. On Christmas we remember our love of material things.
His incarnation is remembered at Christmas. There's nothing wrong with taking a day to remember the incarnation as a history-defining miracle in itself: that God would take on flesh and dwell among us.
>That's not a holiday.
Well, that's how my church did it last month. We called it "Christmas" and everything.
>There's no scripture which commanded them to do this, but scripture was not the only means by which God spoke to the Church at that time. Given the fact that they indeed met on the Lord's day we can infer that they received a divine command to do so which is also inherited by ourselves through this text.
That's begging the question - a type of circular reasoning. You're attempting to prove that "anything not commanded is forbidden", and when presented with an example of them doing something not commanded in scripture, you allege it must've been commanded outside of scripture since "anything not commanded is forbidden" and the apostles wouldn't have done anything forbidden. You're assuming the truth of the premise you're trying to prove.
>It sends a message to the one who informed you that it's ok to worship idols.
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>>26331
>Perhaps it's wrong for us to celebrate Christmas because it's causing you to stumble.
Good luck with that. I certainly don't think it's wisdom -- Biblical or otherwise -- to demand that every.single.individual. on the planet discontinue communally celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ (whether accurate timing as to the season or no), simply b/c an anon on a Taiwanese Basket Weaving Forum is dogmatic about it.
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>>26326
I decided to summarized the points in this video, since most people don't seem to be watching it. 

Christmas Trees:
The first mention of Christmas Trees in the historical record is the following
>"In 1561 an ordinance posted in Alsace declared that each burgher was allowed only one Christmas tree and that his tree could be no more than 'eight shoes' in height". - Tanya Gulevich, Encyclopedia of Christmas & New Year's Celebrations. p. 170
It is unknown where the Christmas tree came from, but in the presenter's opinion the most likely explanation is the following (which was also proposed by Tanya Gulevich):
>In the middle ages Dec 24 was the feast day of Adam & Eve, which was celebrated with a play
>During the seasonal period which Dec 24 is inside, the pine tree is the only tree avaliable due to being an evergreen
>consequently, pine trees were gathered for the play and decorated with apples which were an early form of ornament
>Afterwards the apples were eaten
>most historians that have written on this topic agree that Christmas trees likely morphed from these trees
The date of December 25:
>"The offical calendar of Julius Caesar marked [the solstice] at the 25th... The traditional pagan Roman calendar had left this period as a quiet and mysterious one, and flanked it instead with a festival of preparation and one of completion: the former was the feast of Saturn, the Saturnalia, in the days after 17 December, the latter the New Year feast... from 1 to 3 January." - Ronald Hutton, Stations of the Sun, p. 2
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>>26343
I did watch the video, sorry for not commenting. Interesting points. What he said about people repeating a theory they heard online - that was me for awhile. Years ago I was convinced by a layman's website that Christmas celebrations evolved out of pagan traditions. The site's argument wasn't based on historical sources - just superficial comparison of traditions.

>>26334
I only meant the notion as a possibility. I didn't mean to suggest we should stop celebrating Christmas. Under certain unique circumstances, though, I might abstain for that reason (if I lived in Puritan New England, for instance). I'd bet Paul didn't openly work on the sabbath in Jewish neighborhoods during his missionary journeys.

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It's so easy to take God's blessings for granted. He sustains us in this world He maintains, and we foolishly presume it must be that way. I have failed God so badly and so often that I try not to take it for granted, food still tastes good, the air is still cold, and the sun still rises, and I consider these to be immense gracious blessings which I do not deserve. If He wanted to, He could change my existence to abject chaos and misery with a thought, and He would be absolutely just to do so. So I give thanks to God for His mercy and grace, and I praise Jesus Christ for making peace between me and Him.
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>>26307 (OP) 
POTD

It is all rather amazing. By and large we've become such dullards b/c of our own iniquities that we can hardly even grasp the very-obvious blessings that are right in front of our eyes -- indeed on every hand about us.

Thanks for the wonderful encouragement (on today of all days), that's both much-needed and much-appreciated! Cheers.  :)
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Amen. It's just too easy to take our blessings for granted, and sooner than we the think we're petitioning with arrogance, tempting the Lord and drowning in blasphemy. Thanks for reminding me of this simple truth, I'm completely unworthy of the Lord's attention... let alone His mercy.
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Amen.
>>26315
But anon.. my tent is smaller than the diaspora's in the picture and I'm bitter about that

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My denarium.

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Hail Blessed Mary
With all my heart I praise Thee, Most Holy Virgin above all angels and saints in Paradise, Daughter of the Eternal Father, and I consecrate to Thee my soul with all its faculties.

O my Mother, preserve me this day (or night) from mortal sin

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee! Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen
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>>26191
While you can draw some parallels between Christ and the Ten Commandments (and manna) contained in the Ark of the Covenant, it's not a perfect analogy. 
-Christ is also the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. The blood of the animal sacrifice was sprinkled upon the mercy seat, which was upon the lid of the Ark of the Covenant, whereupon God appeared in the cloud. This doesn't fit with Mary being the Ark. 
-Uzzah was struck dead for touching the Ark in an attempt to save it from falling off the cart and hitting the ground. There's no record of anyone being struck dead for touching Mary while helping her. 
-The Ark was carried from place to place and kept in the Tabernacle, and later, the Temple.
-Mary was never kidnapped as a spoil of war like the Ark was.
-50,070 men were smitten by the Lord for looking into the Ark (1 Sam. 6:19).
-The contents of the Ark remained there permanently (at least they were supposed to). Christ didn't remain in Mary as a permanent abode.

And you're looking back after two millenia. Would Joseph have even considered this analogy?

This >>26137 goes too far. I don't remember any scripture about Mary being prideful.

The scriptures reference Jesus' brothers and sisters (Matthew 12:46-49; and Matthew 13:55-56; Mark 6:3). Mary was a virgin until Christ was born. There's nothing untoward about su
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>>26193
>"But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a Son. And he gave Him the name Jesus."
https://biblehub.com/matthew/1-25.htm

This language makes it quite clear that Joseph did consumate his marriage with his wife Mary. Just not until the baby Jesus was born. I honestly find this 'Eternal Virgin' thing pretty silly, regarding the woman. She certainly is the most blessed of all female homo sapiens sapiens, but she's still after all a woman. In her case she's clearly a believer and so she'll be in Heaven for eternity with God, as will every other Christian. Quite frankly, 'that's' her greatest claim to fame IMO -- that she's a Christian, a part of the body of Christ -- and will serve God forever (same as the rest of us actually-saved Christians).
Is it true that Catholics believe that Mary is without sin? if so why?
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>>26236
Those who believe Pius XII was a legit Pope, yes. 
Those who understand that Pius XII was a Rothschild Puppet, and go by the faith of the council of Trent, no. They believe that everyone was born with original sin.
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>>26250
Martin Luther believed it too.
The reason is that it was an attempt to make ancient roman religion more christian by taking statues of Hera and turning them into Mary. Which was good enough at the time but not when it started to become more about worshipping said statues as if they were on pair with the Trinity.

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I was searching the various Eastern Christian Churches that are called "Orthodox" and came across the Brother Nathanael Foundation. 

I wanted to know the details of the these Eastern faiths. I feel a bait and switch was done with the Roman Catholics; I did Catechism out of Father Cogan's "Brief Catechism for Adults" and then a whole different faith is thrown at me from Aquinas' huge "Summa" which changed everything. 

So, I wanted to know what the real faith is of the Orthodox. Some say they're not in Mary worship, and they tend to keep the same faith, but the Orthodox in America are known for preaching sodomy is not a sin. 

Anyway, I'm getting off subject in my own OP. 
Seems Brother Nathanael a Jewish man who converted to Russian Orthodox. Seems a bit over the top. 

Thoughts? Would like to hear from a Russian orthodox especially.
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>>23122
You did lie about me. You answer every argument I made by lying about me. 
You said I had autism. Lie. 
You said I was a professional Troll. LIE
You said I'm looking for ways CAtholism can be debunked. LIE. 
And you made you lies about what I said look like clipped quotes.
And you're lying in this post. 
Why should I answer your questions when you're just going to make MORE personal attacks and lie about what I said? 
There. You've done it. You got my goat by lying about me viciously. You have no spirit of God in you.  You've won.
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I have become convinced that in many protestant religions, the sin of false witness is allowed especially against Catholics. 
Done with this. 
Christ isn't in some people, only hate. and they hope to bring you down to their level. Demons are in them. 
I've never had the Bishop's blow. There is no obligation for me to try and save the wicked from their demons.
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>>23125
>>23126

Disappointing but not surprising.  As that old saying goes: "When people show you who they really are the first time, believe them."

Time and again you've shown me who you really are; whether you start threads like this under a false pretext, or you engage in slimy and slippery mental gymnastics, twisting of words, arguing in bad faith or projection.  Especially projection.  Everything you said in these two posts describe your tactics to a T, and you project them on to me.

On the bright side, in my discussions with you, by your behavior and tactics, as well as your arguments and espoused beliefs, I have become all the more convicted and convinced that Roman Catholicism is a false and demonic religion of Satan; not merely just misguided brothers and sisters in Christ.  

A religion so infected with doctrines of demons, that adherents like you are literally willing to defend it even as it damns them to Hell by made up sins beyond their control.  Think about it: you're literally willing to go to Hell for a "church" that flagrantly falsely holds you accountable for the sins of your wife and daughter, that you can't even control.  

You're clearly either a professional troll, or someone with severe mental issues, as these are the only two explanations that explain your obsessive, monotonous and infuriating behavior.  The same posts, the same arguments, the same phrases, the same pics, the same twisting and mental gymnastics and lies over and over again.   

Well, I'm done.  I'm tired of beating my heart against some madman's wall. 
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>>23131
Prove I have autism. 
prove I am a professional troll. 
Explain how it was not false witness to provide quotes that I did NOT say. 
OR confess you bore false witness and stop pretending to be the victim.
>>23105

>You can, because they're alive. Or do you reject eternal life. 

This is what I'm caught up on.  From my readings it seems like when we die we go into the void until the resurrection at the end of days.

The only thing keeping me from standing on that wholeheartedly is that we see Moses and Elijah meet with Jesus on the mountain.

In revelation we have the saints groaning and wondering when they will be avenged by the Lamb, but they are asleep in some sense.

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9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothersc should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been."

It is very hard to find someone to discuss this with in good faith with diehards trying to browbeat others.

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