/christian/ - christian

>>27636
No, I accept yours. Because instead of addressing the central issue of the argument, which was that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan by unleashing the Reformation and leading to continuous fracturing of denominations, heresies, confusion, and theological innovation. You instead have danced around the central argument going on long tangents with huge blocks of text. This is the central argument, whose roots lie in the use of Sola Scriptura, which has the Protestants renounce tradition entirely, then act as if they alone understand Scripture, like literary purists tearing up the author's notes to protect the sanctity of their own fan theories.

>>27637
Sir, you were conclusively refuted, every single thing you've said was refuted, and all anyone needs to do to see it is scroll up. You are embarrassing yourself. Your persistent references to "blocks of text" leaves me unconvinced you even bothered to read your refutation, as if your brain is too tiny to comprehend anything that does not fit into a meme. I advise you to be silent because each further whining reply has only increased your embarrassment.

>>27638
>I won, you are refuted tee hee hee
Delusions are a sign of schizophrenia or demonic influence; you might want to get that checked out. And yes, I read what you wrote, but it doesn't address the central crux of the argument. Since you refuse to address that central point constantly aside from the very beginning where you made a short quip about how schism was lamentable and comes from pride then we can say the Reformation unleashed a lot of pride which is a sin, so I will assume you know that I and the other anon are correct and that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan because only satan would benefit from continued confusion, division, and heresy, which is a direct result of reliance on Sola Scriptura. Protestant critique of the Church through the use of scripture means very little because its exegesis is hindered by its eisegesis, which is divorced from the spiritual disposition of the Church, as lived and expressed through the Church’s tradition, worship, and theology. Again, you are like a fan club arguing against the author about what the author's book is supposed to mean. If it is your pride that is keeping you from seeing this, I can completely understand, as many Protestants see things similarly to you. At this point, all we can do is agree to disagree since this has become completely unproductive.

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It is the nature of a man not to exist in many places at once, so if Christ is physically present on every altar on earth every Lord's Day then He cannot be true man. It may be that God could cause an object to be in many places at once, but He could not cause it to be both in many places at once and human, by virtue of His logical laws which He imposes on creation and it seems a very weak and impotent god who is unable to impose his will on creation by making it logically consistent. It also contradicts those lines of the Creed, "He ascended into heaven", "from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead"; since if He is physically present today then He could not be said to have left, and if He never left then He cannot return. And they violate the Lord's warning that we should not believe those who say "Look, here is the Christ".
To believe in transubstantiation is basically to deny the incarnation, ascension and second coming of Jesus Christ.

>>18634
God blessed Israel but they still had wars from time to time.

the ensuing religious wars were a mess, but ultimately it had to be done to reclaim the Church.
thank you, Martin

>>27817 (OP) 
< Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him

Are you serious? This is going to be something I bring up in conversation with people a lot, Anon, do you have a source by chance?

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>>27817 (OP) 
As someone that is studying to go into a psychiatry related field, I know that some Christians are rightfully weary of secular psychology. Secular psychology is an inversion of Christian understanding of human nature. Secular psychology and psychiatry can only frame the person from a materialistic view. The Orthodox tradition has a far more holistic view, and if you are interested, I recommend the following books if you are a book nerd such as myself. I would start with Orthodox Psychotherapy as the initial read. It is a bit dense though.

>>27823
Yes, this link has a lot of information about MBTI in particular (of which his theories inspired) and his "spirit guide" was named Philemon.
https://www.intjs.org/mbti-occult-ties-exposed/
I looked up "Philemon" too and this came up: https://philemonfoundation.org/about-philemon/who-is-philemon/
>>27828
Thank you! This seems like a good and informative approach so far and I will finish reading it tomorrow.

My opinion of psychology is that properly the term refers to the descriptive study of human behavior. So in and of itself, it could not be illegitimate, in fact every one of us is engaging in psychology when we impute motivations to another person. However, the state of modern psychology is obviously ungodly and illegitimate, not so much because it is psychology, but because it is thoroughly secular. If you read modern psychology papers they are absolutely marinated in the secular worldview and it is the influence of their secular presuppositions which causes their obscene beliefs and behaviors eg sanctifying drag queen story hour and other crimes. Normally you get the impression they are unaware any alternative even exists and take their presuppositions completely for granted, revealing a lack of self-awareness and leading to a tendency to arrogantly think they are merely correct and no rational argument could exist (ironically, it is the secularists who blindly follow established dogma). They also have a tendency to arrogantly exclude themselves from their own theories, reinforcing their misplaced faith in their own ideas and lending towards their confusion of their own field with ethics (which is the prescriptive study of human behavior; whenever you hear a psychologist saying we have a "duty" to do this or that, or that we "must" do this or that, i.e. to accept unrepentant homosexuals, you are hearing such a confused psychologist). These are a few of the fundamental error

>>27882
>Your move, heretic.
It is a heresy to suggest that salvation comes through a specific biblical translation. Salvation comes from following Christ, doing what He asks of us, and living a life of repentance. This can be accomplished even without ever reading the Bible. If you have a particular translation you like, good, read it. But do not come around here condemning others with your heretical beliefs.

>>27884
>Yeshua, the Messiah, taught obedience to his Father's commandments, you don't get to eat pork, break the Sabbath, and do pagan idolatry now.
Jesus kept the Mosaic law in order to be a flawless, perfect sin offering on our behalf. While the New Testament admonishes us to keep ourselves from idols, there's nothing similar regarding pork or the Sabbath. The Mosaic law was given to a specific people group: the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles. Abraham married his half-sister in violation of Leviticus 18:9, yet Abraham is called a friend of God. You will say that the law didn't exist yet when Abraham was alive. This is because the law is not eternal.
>"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:23-25

>>27884
It would be helpful if you would not cherry-pick scripture without understanding the context. Also, your interpretation regarding paganism and idolatry hinders the exegesis you are attempting to put forward. The onus is on you to show how God hates His people kissing His image and His saints. That is your claim. As for God hating the kissing of pagan gods, absolutely, and nowhere is that done. We already know that God allows images to be depicted, because the Temple itself was full of realistic depictions, and the earliest Churches and Synagogues had images, so obviously it can't be that. Perhaps think on it a bit more, and you will understand what God is really upset with. This post might give you a hint >>26911. 

As for Sunday, the Church, as the continuation of the 2nd Temple Israelite religion, turned the focus upon Christ as it should be, and began commemorating the resurrection of Christ on Sunday. It doesn't mean that Saturday is no longer the Sabbath; in fact, it still is with many Orthodox communities serving Divine Liturgy on both days, but the greater focus is on Christ and the Resurrection now. You should already know this, I mean, it is mentioned in the New Testament, in Acts 20:7. This isn't a new thing. 

As for holidays, they have been taken and sanctified. That is what we as Christians are supposed to do with creation. So, no apologies for establishing our dominion to celebrate our Lord on a previous pagan holiday. If you have beef with the secular decay of Easter and Christmas, take it up with the atheists, but traditional Christian Paschal and Nativity services are far from pagan celebrations. I can tell that you are entirely unfamiliar with them. These videos should help edify you. 
Christmas is not Pagan (Scripture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE
Christmas is not Pagan (History)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcvJWPTY64
Easter is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IffNsK_fdoY
Halloween is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-5BmAzbrU
Valentine's Day is not Pagan

Reminder that protestantism is heresy and you should read the full bible not that crap of the NKJV. I suggest the Bible of Jerusalem that was what people of the clergy who studied theology used back in the day, or the bible of Navarre. 
Good afternoons.

>>27884
You are a genuine judaizer, and it is very unfortunate this necessary message comes with such errors. 
1. The Christian Sabbath is not the 7th but the 1st day of the week. I will disregard all allusions to "sun worship" because it is merely absurd. Your criticisms in that respect could equally apply to the apostles, whom we see met and worshipped on the Lord's Day (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10). God is Lord of the Sabbath and has the right to move it to whatever day He desires. The 4th commandment does not mention the seventh day of the week, but the seventh after six days of labor, which would be true of any day of the week. The ancient fathers called the Lord's Day the eighth day of the week, because on this day the Lord completed the new creation and rested at the right hand of God. The Reformed churches keep the Sabbath but we do so on the day which God has appointed under the new covenant to which alone we are bound.
2. All dietary laws were ceremonial laws attached to the Mosaic and Noahic dispensations of the covenant, respectively. These ceremonies were types and figures of Christ and were abrogated in Him, whom we no longer know under a shadow (see Acts 10:10-15). This distinction is not a novel invention of Christian theology nor an attempt to pick and choose from the law, it is in fact retained even by the Jews of today, whose rabbis say no gentile is required to keep 

>>27801
>projection
I will pray for you, anon

So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
""Philippians 2:10-11

>>27852
DARK SIDED
I have to go back and watch that episode now lmao

>>27778 (OP) 
What a thing to witness up close, God have mercy. Knowing he is already gone, but doing everything you can until you get the official word to stop. Pray for Frank, Charlie and his family, and may Charlie rest in peace.

>>27774 (OP) 
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Dropping in to report 41 days of no goonery and no porn. It is possible.

>>27716
Keep going, brother!

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Garfield hard at work in The Phantom Menace remake.

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>>23460 (OP) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaUvVBuTpc

I typically don't like posting YouTube vids but this short testimony helped to set me straight. For context, I have had listened to other testimonies in a similar vein which lines up exactly what this author describes. Ultimately, anytime you sin in lust you are giving these entities more and more power.

>>23460 (OP) 
I would say reading the Bible daily helps. I think it should be O.K. to take off the Sabbath, though. 

It fills me a spiritual enlightenment and mindfulness that helps with some of my worse habits. Other than that it's just actively wanting to change. Even when I smoked marijuana and tobacco I "wanted" to quit, but didn't want to quit "right this second" because I was "still having fun." 

Eventually I got a good job and the marijuana started giving me panic attacks thinking about getting fired, so I quit that. Then I started approaching 30 and the thought occurred to me that I could quit "in my twenties" and that sounded like I could grow old and still be O.K. because it was "just something dumb I did when I was young" but if I kept it up suddenly it would start turning into a serious problem. 

Other than that a combination of willful change and rising prices has helped me start to curb fast food and energy drinks, though I need to do better about that (I'm hoping with my wife's new schedule it will be easier to cook at home and summon the motivation to drink home made black coffee instead of energy drinks or sugary iced coffees from the store, though.)

Lastly, it's just going to be slimming down and curbing pornography/masturbation, but like the above I think a combination of spiritual fulfillment, willful change, and my wife's increased presence will help with that