/christian/ - christian

>>26989
Yes, persecution is a necessary condition of truth (John 15:18-20), but it is not a sufficient condition. If the world loves someone, then that would indicate that he doesn't have the truth. But the reverse is not always true: persecution alone is not sufficient proof that someone has the truth. The world is full of tribes and factions that are persecuted - it doesn't mean that they're all true. If it did, then Buddhists are true because they were persecuted by Hindus; Hindus are true because they were persecuted by Muslims; Muslims are true because they were persecuted by communists in Cambodia; communists are true because they were persecuted by western governments in the 20th Century; etc...

>>26993
>The world is full of tribes and factions that are persecuted
The world hates Christ without a cause John 15:25. Lets go down your list and pick it apart one by one. Buhdists and Hindus are essentially the same thing. Buhdists were the original hindus and their economy and culture were upheaved by arabians as the arabians lusted after their riches. Indian hindu's were persecuted by arabian muslims because of the love of money, india was one of the wealthiest nations at the time of their invasion. In modern times they are at peace. In modern times they do not invade as india is a much poorer country. The muslims in Cambodia were persecuted by the vietnamese for invading their society as to destroy it and steal their stuff.

>communists are true because they were persecuted by western governments in the 20th Century
Do you have any proof of this? Western nations controlled by the ((( chaldeans ))) are far more communial and controlling of their economies then any soviet bloc nation was. 

Its very easy to see if the warring is because of lust or some carnal reason. The hard part is seeing if the persecution is because of some carnal reason or is without a cause. Did the neighboring states to where the mormon's settled in Utah like Missouri, have a cause to drive them out? They were of the same tribe

>>26996
There was truly no just cause to hate Jesus. But you can't interpret "without a cause" in the absolute sense, because scripture does list wicked causes for which evil men persecuted Jesus:
>"For he [Pilate] knew that for envy they had delivered him [Jesus]." Matthew 27:18
>"If we [chief priests and Pharisees] let him [Jesus] thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation." John 11:48
In those two scriptures are listed envy, fear, and possibly greed and lust for power (worry over "their place" being taken away). Pilate ordered the crucifixion because he was afraid for his own life and position:
>"And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar." John 19:12

I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of historical argument because, like you said regarding the Mormons - it was just to serve as an example. I'm having trouble following your point. Could you be more explicit? Are you arguing that Anabaptists are persecuted without any cause whatsoever, and that is sufficient proof that they hold the truth?

>>26998
<There was truly no just cause
You are adding words that were not there. Down the list we go again
In Matthew 27:18 the crowd had delivered Jesus unto Pilate for persecution, a democratic act by the way. Is envy a cause? To envy is to be jealous. Is jealousy a cause to hate a man? Hate is to hate a man. Envy is to be envious these are feelings not the feeling or action of hate. In John 11:48 you are putting words there that are not there, not once does it mention fear. Its more of a matter of fact statement. If anything you could argue that its a statement of greed of their positions. For the romans would have taken the chief priests and the Pharisees positions away.

As for the john 19:12 quote, Pilates sense of mind was to release Jesus not to hate Him as its heavily implied Pilate actually supported Jesus and did not hate Him in later verses e.g John 19:14-15
>And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
>But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Cæsar.

>Are you arguing that Anabaptists are persecuted without any cause whatsoever
Kinda sorta no and yes. Like in the example I gave not everyone is born after the Spirit e.g Ecclesasties 3:18-21. So there are those who can not recieve the things of God 1 Corinthians 2:11-14. Therefore they are of the world and would have a cause to war with eachother.

That is completely different then some carnal person without a spirit or some completely carnally acting person with a spirit manifesting the mystery of iniquity and pursueing a born again with a spirit disciple of Christ who is acting and thinking spiritually.

>and that is sufficient proof that they hold the truth?

>>26969
>That would mean that for a long time (anywhere up-to 1600 years), Christians didn't have a copy of the NT without error
Wouldn't be anything new under the sun. After all, having the Christ and the prophets, yet erronously following after only what they wanted to hear out of the original Bible, a.k.a. the Living Word of God, a.k.a. Christ Jesus, is what most of ancient Israel does throughout most of the Old Testament.

>>26972
<Rabbinic Jews are not part of Israel
Your statement is a contradiction if it made any sense at all. Israel is defined in Genesis 32:28 as
>And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
So a descendent of Jacob is an Israelite, a son of Israel. Now read Genesis 14:13
>And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.
So Abraham and his sons, such as Isaac and Jacob, are hebrews. All the sons of Jacob, Israelites, are hebrews. Israelites therefore are Jews due to Jeremiah 34:9
>That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother.
Jew is used synonymously with Hebrew in this context. The only situation I can even dream up to justify your idiocy is someone who was a descendant of Ishmael but not a descendant of Isaac after the split between the people of God and the rest of the world with Jacob e.g Galatians 4:22-28. They would be a Hebrew but not a Israelite neccessarily. Atleast 

>>26974
A whole lot gibberish for saying nothing at all. I am not convinced by your arguments and will continue on using Israel for the Church and Rabbinc Judaism for the synagogue of satan.

>>26975
If you are not convinced by the word of God in Hebrews 11 that Abel and Noah and Abraham are saved. How do you justify writing thus?
>that came to be part of Israel from that time on still follow the faith of Adam, Abram, Isaac, and Jacob.
If you were serious in your conversation you would be saying "follow the faith in Jesus Christ." Further more "Judaism" is not a word in the word of God it is a word the kikels, specifically the IDF, invented to confuse people. I am not sure what you are talking about when you say "Judaism" could you clarify what you are talking about? Preferably with Biblical sources

>>26976
You are putting words in my mouth in again. Following the faith is following Christ, the head of the Church, Israel. I have said that multiple times. Maybe this might benefit you.
https://rumble.com/v240ex6-marching-to-zion.html

>>26947 (OP) 
I think the Scripture makes it rather clear when it is read within its context. What were the Israelites doing at the time of these passages? They were turning to the pagan idols, the fallen angels, or they were attempting to create a false god in which to worship. Scripture is not against images or art because we know what was described within the Holy of Holies and upon the Ark of Covenant. The issue is the inversion of worship. Whereas God creates man in His image, the pagans create their gods in man's image. They carve up and make an idol in which they think that their god will reside as if trapped and answer their bidding, not unlike the tales of the genie in the bottle. The God of the Israelites was the complete opposite. He chose where His dwelling place would be and would not attempt to be contained, and much wrath would come if one did so. An example is the capture of the Ark and the misery that followed it from city to city.

Worship as patterned upon Heaven is always given to God alone. Veneration is simply a deep respect or reverence for holy things. Mary, as seen through Catholic and Orthodox lenses, is the Theotokos, the Mother of God. Something even Luther had no problem with. We give a great amount of veneration to her because she is the new Ark of the Covenant, the new Eve. The only groups of Christians who do not believe in the veneration of holy persons or o

>>26947 (OP) 
Being far more carnally specific then the above poster. Look at the catholic's leaders head peices/hats. Notice how it looks like a fish with its mouth open. Now go read Judges 16:23, 1 Samuel 5:1-7, and the wikipedia page on dagon. Now go look at pictures of the vatican. Ask yourself why there is so many images of random things unrelated to the Bible in the vatican and start looking into the meaning behind the images. Now go a step further and look at every depiction of Jesus ever and compare it to Revelation 1:12-18

Let me surmise it simply; maybe at one point the universalists were actually a sect of Christianity, maybe they weren't. But nowadays their leaders are clearly dagon worshippers with imagery of babylonian talmudic origin mixed in. Also its a terrible idea to seperate Christians from another by labels e.g 1 Corinthians 3:1-5
>AND I, brethern, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
>I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither now are ye able.
>For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
>For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollo

>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ
Should be
>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

My spelling is absolutely terrible. the above should be 
>AND I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
>I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
>For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
>For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
>Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

>>26837
Pretty much, when you think about it. Since the historicity of Christ, the early church, and the events of the OT grow stronger each day with modern archaeology, most atheists are left with attempting to attack the base of the Jenga blocks to topple the tower. But doing so is futile since they can't disprove what we already know happened.

>>26837
I say no because you have the really common (and autistic) argument that "believing in God used to be reasonable, but now we have Science(tm)" which is difficult to decipher as to what that's even supposed to mean, let alone connect it to something so specific.

>>26822
Documents were never dated that way even by secularists because at best that would only give you the age of the materials not the text.

>>26849
So, would it be best to frame it instead as a clash of opposing epistemologies? Empiricism versus rationalism.

>>24165
The Septuagint hands down. Required viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE

>>26892
I have never heard it ever enterained anywhere that he held any inclination of gnostic thought. The problem with being creative is that people will see whatever they want within your work despite what you intend.

>I have never heard it ever enterained anywhere

A quick search could easily show you it is a pretty old topic in multiple languages.

>>26898
 A quick Google search could reveal many things and yet not make it a mainstream suggestion.

>>26900
>I need things to be in the mainstream in order to consider them
May I suggest returning to cuckchan or plebbit?

>>26915
Do you need an echo chamber?

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Five hundred years is a long time to be separated from family. You should make up and return to them, Luther-kun.

Telegram requires a smartphone so I can't join.

Of course I assume after 10 days you probably gave up anyways, but Revolt doesn't require a phone. But in general... this board is dead... so I'm not sure how a spinoff would not be dead as well. I think there's very little hope for continuous all week fellowship through the internet.

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First a glowie wants to glow even the Holy Bible (get a life, seriously). Then Kohen wants to shout this ministry is dead. With all due respect, BO... but nevermind. Let's sit and wait what will come next. I'd wager JoSfaggots and asatrutrannies are just around the corner.

Can we not have a Bible study thread? If the thread doesn't have a reply limit we can just keep it going as we move through the year, and anyone can jump right in.

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>>26796
Based, and a sobering start.

>remove religion
>promote degeneracy
This is the part I can't stomach. How many will not be lost to the current state of things and their triumphant brokenness. I feel it in my heart that I have to be open to the possibility that righteous people exist at God's pleasure, everywhere and nowhere, in every niche of the socio-political landscape but for the most egregiously demonic. Test, with patience and loving kindness, because Jesus said so. I pray that our civility stands on His spiritual reality, and not on any secular reason. This is how the people of the God prepare to look at worldly things without becoming worldly themselves. Amen.

Consider this, please. Both candidates are 777% what Schlomohomo wants. Both ostensively give a living demon like Netanyahu whatever he wants, among a laundry list of scandals. It may be the case that no institutional politicians would ever even become présidentiable without ((( their ))) blessing. I don't know what we should be doing about this, honestly. A Christian party? Aren't there too many already? Not in the US, but does that even matter? Any dealings with these people, whom we test as per the above, and most unfortunately, are literally jumping into a pit of spiritual vipers. Christian anarchist ways? I have an interest in p

>>26796
Just as the video in this anon's reply says, no matter what happens with this election or any elections thereafter, Jesus will win. The Word of God will be fulfilled. Of course, I am also aware that the outcome of the election will also have immediate and long-term effects on our current society, outcomes that have the potential to bring some amount of pain and suffering. Even so, I'm thankful for this chance for people to learn/be reminded of this valuable lesson: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23 NKJV)."
People rely a lot on elected officials and leaders. Oftentimes, many will put these leaders on a pedestal, see them as untouchable, infallible. But of course, every single one of them is human, guilty of sin like everyone else. As the election process continues, and political candidates/leaders continue to make mistakes, I pray that people will turn their gaze upward to see the One who is truly infallible: our loving Father. 
Of course, if there is some way for the election to become more reasonable and less tumultuous, I would be very thankful. 

>>26798
Your reply is very thought provoking, thank you. Sadly I don't have answers to all of your questions, but I do have some thoughts. 
>I don't know what we should be doing about this, honestly. A Christian party?

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>'Alien' perspectives lovingly appreciated.
What did he mean by this?

>>26852
Aliens can believe in Christ also...right?

>nujaks

>>23278
>Even a child knows that if the universe had a beginning, then something must have existed before it.
That just moves things one step backwards.
>>26725
Even worse, it is AI generated.

>>26726
That just moves things one step backwards.
To the uncaused source of all things, which is logically necessary for the existence of something which does have a cause.
Its a simple premise; anything that has a begin, and we know the universe does for multiple reasons such as entropy, requires something to begin it. 
>That just moves it back
Is a non-argument in the first place, since it still doesn't provide an explanation for how anything exists. Indeed, materialism can never explain how anything exist. The very nature of everything in the universe requires something unbound by that nature to even be here.If nothing uncaused could exist, than nothing could exist.

But the universe itself cannot be this uncaused source because know it had a beginning, we know it is undergoing entropy and changing into an ultimate state of uniformity which is fundamentally incompatible with the idea that the universe always existed because then the universe would have 'already' reached that state
In short, the finite logically cannot exist without the infinite.

>incites extreme racial supremacy
>and woman oppression
>utter schizo shit

Stop making demon worshippers sound good.

>>22029
so trve anon, so trve