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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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Hello /christian/.

I live in a country where worshiping Jesus is illegal. I am a Christian like you and have to hide my faith. I have a lot of Christian pictures on my computer that I use for intense meditation and prayer. However if they were found out I would go to jail and my name would be all over the news and I would be called terrible things.

I need to look at my Christian pictures 2 or 3 times a week for about 30mins at a time to pray. How can I hide them on my computer when I am not looking at them so nobody can find them? Remember nobody CAN EVER find them or I will go to jail!

Will you help me hide my Christian pictures? Amen.
Assuming that you're actually talking about "Christian pictures" and you're not looking for help hiding another sort of picture with the same abbreviation that will land you in jail, just use Veracrypt.

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I know there is a meta thread but I think this is an important topic. In the pandemic years Christian boards in 8kun and others were very active, Catholic boards, Orthodox boards, the general ones.
Now that I looked most of these don't exist anymore, and /christianity/ /christian/ is filled with a schizo/bot, porn, and shitposts.
This board and 8moe's seem to be the only active ones.
What can we do about it? Or is this the natural course due to IB users tendency to be cynical and mean?

I don't like Discord's spyware but I guess it is more stable, and much less would want to make a reddit account. I used to be in Twitter when it had a big christian activity but it turned very trigger happy with the bans.
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>>27987
>We don't need more useless voices drowning out the truth of Christ

Following the 1:9:90 principle, advertising would lead to significantly more viewers than users, and board culture could still be used to gatekeep idiots who want to be in the 1:9 crew that have stupid things to say. 

>Through reading our works, rhetorical and actual, and the intense debate that can only come from minds focused on Christ, that is the only way to reinvigorate this modern generation of gelded, feminized losers being lost to the lies of their time. 

My point is who's reading you? Old 8chan was a top 5000 ranked site. zzz, great as it may be, is rather in the top 300k in the US, and in the top 800k worldwide. 

You're not exposing people to the theology that you're discussing. 

 
>What's the difference between your propositions and just resigning oneself to plebbit/r/christianity with all the other losers?

plebbit uses vote based algorithms to drive content to the top that appeals to the masses (the "90" from above), rather than bump-order based sortition that lets the most discussed (rather than mass-appealing) topics rise. Because of this, plebbit intrinsically appeals to idiots, because it gives a low effort voice (voting) to the masses. 
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>>27988
I'll bite

>Following the 1:9:90 principle...
>My point is who's reading you?...
The growth will come with time. ZZZ, as small as it is, currently is the most widely used altchan on the webring, and I think its second only to the sharty in terms of all altchans. Just like with the plebbit/cuckchan migration to 8chan, it will happen in waves, but the main draw was good moderation and insightful, honest discussion as to the zeitgeist they allowed. Cuckchan caught on to how gay their were being with the 15 minute post cooldowns, but between the 2 minute cooldowns and increasingly homosexual moderation, it's a matter of time before we see regular triple and quad digit uids here.

>You're not exposing people to the theology that you're discussing. 
You're grasping at straws, I regularly post on topics that catch my interest. What probably happened, is that the more lukewarm /christian/ posters from 8chan got cold feet and returned to normie tier denomination echo chambers via message boards and plebbit. We are obviously closer to zealots than you even want to admit.

>plebbit uses...
You naivete shows. Plebbit, like most of clearnet, is a perpetual jewish consensus cracking/manufactured consent psyop where ideas they don't like are suppressed and astro-turfed ideas are pushed forward to prevent resistance to their goals. Its why one can find hardcore porn there, but guns and national socialism are "le bad."

>What drew people to the old site was the gg related exodus...
Yes, to a point. One of the largest migrations was due to gg, but prior to gg, cuckchan and plebbit were already experiencing a wave of censorship surrounding "punching down" comedy, guns, "political incorrectness" and extreme dissatisfaction with democratic systems of the west. This was leading to a resurgence of Monarchism and national socialism as diametric to current social ills. Think about how many memes one saw of "medieval serfs lived better lives that you do" and quotes of past European regents and saints explain how they dealt with the problems of their day. 
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>>27989
>but prior to gg, cuckchan and plebbit were already experiencing a wave of censorship surrounding "punching down" comedy, guns, "political incorrectness" and extreme dissatisfaction with democratic systems of the west. 

It doesn't matter what social movements they were experiencing, old 8ch got new members because shilling on 4ch during that time period lead people to it. 

The site was exposed to a high CPM environment and gained membership by spam-advertisement. The social dynamics on the site accelerated this, but 8ch was still pissing spam into a high CPM site and leeching members basically the same way other sites currently do so through leigitmate advertising. 

>You naivete shows. 

You didn't really give a technical response to what I said and just basically said "it's all a jewish psyop". You don't demonstrate how, though, so I don't really follow. Yes, those places are trash and psyops, but I think there's solutions to that. Plebbit is engineered to be a psyop. But imageboards as a systematic framework do not have this same engineering in place. 

And besides, if your board culture and moderation are not designed to be psyops, then it shouldn't matter if you gain new members. The levers of power would still be held by people who aren't engaged in the psyop. 

>This was leading to a resurgence of Monarchism and national socialism as diametric to current social ills.

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>>27990
>You didn't really give a technical response...
Buddy, again, how are you here if you don't understand the times we're in? Have you really not heard of the jidf, hasbara, pravda, zersetzung, their strangehold on mass media and entertainment? How they killed Christ and not only boasted, but asked to be cursed to all future generations? The only solution to the psyop is to opt out, that's why you're here! 
>Your board culture...
There it is, you aren't one of us. We don't need a psyop as again, proclaiming the truth in Christ doesn't require subversion or trickery. The truth has set us free, and we will free those to make the same pattern of choices that lead them among us. 
>Old 8chan's core users were tamping down on national socialism...
Further proof that you aren't as well versed in recent history as you think you are. Why do you think that zzzchan doesn't even bother with a /pol/ but goes straight to the fasces?
>That's the plan. Really just kinda thinking...
>I'm not talking about this board, but about other potential projects.
You're doomed to failure if you lack the necessary rigor to give any action meaning. All that's seen from you is pitiful rhetoric. Don't "kind of" think and sit down for a while and think about w
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>>27991
Edify us then. What are the hasbara, the pravda, and the zersetzung and what does that have to do with discussing the principles of the doctrine of Christ?
>How they killed Christ
You see you already have been completely and utterly subverted and are apostate. The JIDF for example are not the descendents of the jews who killed Christ, for they are not jews in the first place.

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ITT convince me why I should join your denomination over others.
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>>28019
>zero hesitation to bear false witness
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>>28020
Only a few things get you autobanned on /christian/, and the accusation wasn't refutted. But whatever makes you feel better.
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>>28021
>the accusation wasn't refutted
That's not how it works, you aren't justified in throwing out baseless accusations because you weren't refuted. Your throat is an open grave, the poison of asps is under your lips, there is no fear of God before your eyes.
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>>28022
Nice try. Then how's this: How does one get auto-banned on /christian/? What does the word "probably" mean? What can be said about a person who can't communicate without breaking those rules? And please, just answer the questions. Hold the goalpost moving and mirroring if you want a response. You zoomers really are an emotional bunch, never to grow if the mommy and daddy issues aren't overcome.
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>>28023
>What does the word "probably" mean?
Oh that's the magic one that makes it morally permissible to bear false witness when you say it.
>And please, just answer the questions. Hold the goalpost moving and mirroring if you want a response. You zoomers really are an emotional bunch, never to grow if the mommy and daddy issues aren't overcome.
There you go again. You are incapable of treating your fellow man with respect, you have no hesitation to bear false witness against your neighbor, you have no shame when your sin is called out, you betray your pride and contempt constantly. Is there any wonder why you are enthralled with a false religious system? It is because you are unregenerate, you have not been born again, you are still in the flesh, you are still in your sins. You are on the road to hearing the words "I never knew you". My friend, when you die you will go to hell, where your pseudo-religiosity and pride will avail you nothing, you will drink the whole cup of God's wrath, and you will not be released until you pay the last penny. But the Lord provided a way out for all who believe, I tell you that if you repent of your sins and throw yourself on the mercy of God in Christ you will certainly be forgiven and saved because Jesus paid the price for all of His people, He took the curse of the law in their place, so that by His 
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What's your favorite Bible translation?
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>>27960
Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses I've spoken with were quick to dismiss "modern translations" which these particular Witnesses said were "not true translations". One scowled when I mentioned the NIV. While I don't have a complete list of which translations they like or dislike, when I asked them what they thought of the KJV, they told me that it's a good translation but their organization produced the NWT because the KJV was too archaic for modern English readers. I know this is anecdotal, but 5+ JWs I've spoken with have all had a similar take. I mostly relied on their NWT while speaking with them, as they accept that it's perfect. It just has removed every Trinitarian thing they could find (they still couldn't remove it all, though).

I'll admit, sometimes I can sense the terms and phrasing are not landing with new believers, so I'm paraphrasing for them immediately after reciting the text. So, use what you think is correct.
>>27955
It really is the best Catholic study Bible. And the digital version costing $3 while the physical volumes cost hundreds (there's 17 of them) makes it a steal.
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>>27950 (OP) 
The King James Version.
>>27950 (OP) 
Either Douay or Knox. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to achieve the role of being of being a common scriptural language recognized by all English-speaking Catholics—though the former probably comes closer amongst so-called "Traditionalist" Catholics.
Whichever ones produce the fruits of hearing all of the word, and of doing the word, and of Godly charity.

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>morning service was cancelled due to inclement weather
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>>27943 (OP) 
These tires of scenarios are where being able to do a Zoom back-up service would come in handy.
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>>27966
>What does it mean to protest?
The term Protestant refers to a formally dissenting party of princes within the imperial diet of the Holy Roman Reich of the German Nation.
>What are they protesting?
The Edict of Worms, but if you want to turn it into something theological it would be the traditions of Rome, which you also reject, so I don't understand your seething.
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>>27972
That's not church. If you're not gathered together in the flesh with the people of God, it's not church.
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>>27994
I agree, but if they're going to cancel service it would be nice to hear a homily.
>>27992
Honestly he's probably an overzealous fresh convert, if I had to guess from a Pentecostal denomination, and now that he feels he's landed in the true religion the leavening of the Phariaees has taken hold and feels compelled to declare everyone else a heretic.

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Post some Christian Art
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>>27708
Christianity is the religion of the White European True Israelite, no mutts allowed, all others need to stick to their pagan and keep their heads down if they don't want them sliced off. The lesser races will lay down their weapons and bow to the White Man's will. Those who do not yield will be exterminated.
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Illustration from the notes in the Kitaji Bible
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>>27876
Christianity was accepted in Asia and Africa before Europe.
Anyway here's some art from the Ethiopian Orthodox.
>>27876
That's not how it works. In Galatians Paul says there are no Jews or Gentiles. We are all one in Christ. Anyone who accepts him is saved.

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Due to several threads being dragged wildly off-topic by some anons' inability to hold themselves back whenever someone says the Pope is the antichrist or that Martin Luther destroyed Christianity, this thread will serve as a pseudo-containment thread for dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. Rules still apply in here, keep the thread on topic, do not make one-liner insults or ad hominems, keep it civil and respectful. Posts that try to start fights between Churches and drag the OP off-topic in other threads will be deleted, no matter how many there are.
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>>27636
No, I accept yours. Because instead of addressing the central issue of the argument, which was that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan by unleashing the Reformation and leading to continuous fracturing of denominations, heresies, confusion, and theological innovation. You instead have danced around the central argument going on long tangents with huge blocks of text. This is the central argument, whose roots lie in the use of Sola Scriptura, which has the Protestants renounce tradition entirely, then act as if they alone understand Scripture, like literary purists tearing up the author's notes to protect the sanctity of their own fan theories.
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>>27637
Sir, you were conclusively refuted, every single thing you've said was refuted, and all anyone needs to do to see it is scroll up. You are embarrassing yourself. Your persistent references to "blocks of text" leaves me unconvinced you even bothered to read your refutation, as if your brain is too tiny to comprehend anything that does not fit into a meme. I advise you to be silent because each further whining reply has only increased your embarrassment.
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>>27638
>I won, you are refuted tee hee hee
Delusions are a sign of schizophrenia or demonic influence; you might want to get that checked out. And yes, I read what you wrote, but it doesn't address the central crux of the argument. Since you refuse to address that central point constantly aside from the very beginning where you made a short quip about how schism was lamentable and comes from pride then we can say the Reformation unleashed a lot of pride which is a sin, so I will assume you know that I and the other anon are correct and that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan because only satan would benefit from continued confusion, division, and heresy, which is a direct result of reliance on Sola Scriptura. Protestant critique of the Church through the use of scripture means very little because its exegesis is hindered by its eisegesis, which is divorced from the spiritual disposition of the Church, as lived and expressed through the Church’s tradition, worship, and theology. Again, you are like a fan club arguing against the author about what the author's book is supposed to mean. If it is your pride that is keeping you from seeing this, I can completely understand, as many Protestants see things similarly to you. At this point, all we can do is agree to disagree since this has become completely unproductive.
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It is the nature of a man not to exist in many places at once, so if Christ is physically present on every altar on earth every Lord's Day then He cannot be true man. It may be that God could cause an object to be in many places at once, but He could not cause it to be both in many places at once and human, by virtue of His logical laws which He imposes on creation and it seems a very weak and impotent god who is unable to impose his will on creation by making it logically consistent. It also contradicts those lines of the Creed, "He ascended into heaven", "from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead"; since if He is physically present today then He could not be said to have left, and if He never left then He cannot return. And they violate the Lord's warning that we should not believe those who say "Look, here is the Christ".
To believe in transubstantiation is basically to deny the incarnation, ascension and second coming of Jesus Christ.
>>18634
God blessed Israel but they still had wars from time to time.

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On this day 508 years ago God used Martin Luther to bring His people out of Babylon and purify His Church from all paganism.
the ensuing religious wars were a mess, but ultimately it had to be done to reclaim the Church.
thank you, Martin

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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary;
suffered under Pontius Pilate;
was crucified, dead, and buried;
he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from there he shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
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Recently I've been thinking about the nature of psychology and Christianity despite psychology often being related to secular or occult ideas (Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him). I think this is why a lot of Christians seem resistant to psychology but I believe it might have merit with some ideas, and some ideas might even be very beneficial for Christians. I've recently been interested in the idea of the subconscious and trauma stored in the body. The idea that everything that happens to people are stored inside of the body and/or subconscious strikes me as supporting the idea that everything that happens to us is for a reason, i.e God's plan for us. I imagine when we meet Him and see ourselves in our new perfect bodies, we will see everything that would be too painful to bear consciously in a new light. 

Sin, trauma, and spiritual oppression seem related in some ways too but I'm not quite sure how to elaborate on this very well. What do you guys think?
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>>27817 (OP) 
< Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him

Are you serious? This is going to be something I bring up in conversation with people a lot, Anon, do you have a source by chance?
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>>27817 (OP) 
As someone that is studying to go into a psychiatry related field, I know that some Christians are rightfully weary of secular psychology. Secular psychology is an inversion of Christian understanding of human nature. Secular psychology and psychiatry can only frame the person from a materialistic view. The Orthodox tradition has a far more holistic view, and if you are interested, I recommend the following books if you are a book nerd such as myself. I would start with Orthodox Psychotherapy as the initial read. It is a bit dense though.
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>>27823
Yes, this link has a lot of information about MBTI in particular (of which his theories inspired) and his "spirit guide" was named Philemon.
https://www.intjs.org/mbti-occult-ties-exposed/
I looked up "Philemon" too and this came up: https://philemonfoundation.org/about-philemon/who-is-philemon/
>>27828
Thank you! This seems like a good and informative approach so far and I will finish reading it tomorrow.
My opinion of psychology is that properly the term refers to the descriptive study of human behavior. So in and of itself, it could not be illegitimate, in fact every one of us is engaging in psychology when we impute motivations to another person. However, the state of modern psychology is obviously ungodly and illegitimate, not so much because it is psychology, but because it is thoroughly secular. If you read modern psychology papers they are absolutely marinated in the secular worldview and it is the influence of their secular presuppositions which causes their obscene beliefs and behaviors eg sanctifying drag queen story hour and other crimes. Normally you get the impression they are unaware any alternative even exists and take their presuppositions completely for granted, revealing a lack of self-awareness and leading to a tendency to arrogantly think they are merely correct and no rational argument could exist (ironically, it is the secularists who blindly follow established dogma). They also have a tendency to arrogantly exclude themselves from their own theories, reinforcing their misplaced faith in their own ideas and lending towards their confusion of their own field with ethics (which is the prescriptive study of human behavior; whenever you hear a psychologist saying we have a "duty" to do this or that, or that we "must" do this or that, i.e. to accept unrepentant homosexuals, you are hearing such a confused psychologist). These are a few of the fundamental error
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