/christian/ - christian

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While it is an appealing position, or should be at any rate since we shouldn't be willing that any man perish, I think there are many verses they would need to reconcile this position with such as Matthew 7:13.

I believe the Catholic position is to hold the hope that people can be saved after death, but do not definitively state that it can happen since the Scriptures do not appear to either. Universalism is going a step beyond even in stating that everyone will be saved. Beyond the seeming lack of a guarantee for this in the Bible, I am also hesitant on this position because there are many people who seem proud or spiteful enough that they would not even repent after death if they had the option.

the lack of univesalism is just turning christianism into judaism, another reason why the protestant movement is the biggest heresy ever made.

>>26704
I would agree with his position, it makes the most sense to hope for universalism, but confident universalism seems like a step too far.

Matthew 7:13 usually isn't viewed as the number of people being saved, but a parable given by Jesus. It wouldn't make sense to think of it as a numerical calculation for who is saved (especially since other parables, such as the wheat and tares and 10 virgins would contradict the small number of saved.) Other verses, such as Rev 7:9, and Rom. 5:15-20 would contradict this.

Even if it was the number of people saved, universalists assert that people would be led to destruction, be purified, and then enter heaven.

Again, I'm not a universalist, I think that it is possible but not a given.

>>26705
No denomination (Western Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Various sects of Protestantism) has universalism as an actual doctrine. To be fair, Eastern Orthodoxy comes a lot closer, since hell is considered a mystery and thus their are more Apokatastasis believers.

If Protestantism didn't exist, universalism still wouldn't be the prevailing doctrine.

Obviously, you can believe whatever you want and I'm not here to debate you on Protestantism (It's not the main point of this thread anyway), just thought this was an interesting comment, since Protestants did not invent the doctrine of hell by any means..

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>>26626
>Ergo Proxy
I think I'm long overdue for a rewatch of that one. It was one of my favorites when I got into anime while I was still in high school.

The theme of Madoka Magica reminds me of Matthew 16:23. But is such anime ok? Is it respectful enough? I worry that it isn’t.

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>>26632
I think it's soulful and doesn't promote evil with its themes.
This scene made me think of the love Christ has for us always, even when we mistakenly can't see it or feel it.

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Did you watch any good shows this season, /christian/? Were there any gems, hidden or otherwise? Did you check out "studio apartment, good lighting, angel included," which, as far as I can tell, is a slice of life/romance show with an angel as a heroine? Maybe this place isn't the right audience for it.

>>26691
Haven't seen much of anything lately anon, been revisiting old stuff seeing if they still hold up, that new deer anime though looks goofy and maybe worth a watch

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>>24554 (OP) 
I haven't read the latter prophets from Amos onward, besides the often cited verses like Zechariah 12:10. I'm gonna read them, then enjoy the Gospels again

I'm happy /christian/ is still around, it took some time to find it again. Have a good day Christanons

>>26665
You too, friend.

I haven't really read the Bible seriously in years, front to back. The last time I did, I made it just about to the Psalms before burning out. I've picked up and read the Gospels a few times, although it's somewhat hazy to me. 
Recently I had to go to the psych ward. It wasn't fun, but they at least let me bring my Bible into the holding room. I didn't know what the future held for me, whether I would remain sane enough to be a Christian by the end of the week, but I took great comfort in reading the Psalms. I made it through about half of them as I waited to meet the psychiatrist, as well as all of Paul's Letter to the Romans. Reading Psalms 6 and 30 put me at peace for the first time in a while.

Psychosis is strong, but the Lord is stronger still. I should pick up where I left off.

>>26674
God bless you, brother. The Lord is stronger still. Thanks for reminding of Psalm 30.

>>26674
Good on you, hope you're feeling better. You may want to take a look at a Daily Walk Bible, or find an outline online for reading it over the course of a year, it helped me tremendously.

>>23615
It also lends itself to the possibility of subordinationism and Arianism that the filioque is designed to exclude.

>>23616
>Grab a pen and paper and draw it.
It's just a matter of perspective. The Father begets the Son and the Spirit proceeds from the two as if a single principle. So if you didn't draw the relations as a triangle, but rather were looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source. Our God is three-dimensional.

>>23618
>from the two as if a single principle.
And we know from Florence, Latin principle = Greek cause.
Therefore
>from the two as a single cause
>From the [Father and the Son] as a cause. 
Therefore, the son IS a cause of the Holy Spirit. 

Which s EXACTLY what the Orthodox reject. They believe the father is the only cause. 
There is no way around it now. 2=/=1. 
Catholics would have to backtrack the declarative statement of a council ratified by the Pope 600 years ago. Which they cannot and will not do. 
If it were so simple as saying "from the Father through the son" we would've reunited it by now.

>>23618
>looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source.
Rev 22:1
Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

>>23619
>They believe the father is the only cause. 
But do they actually, since they seem to believe in a variety of things so long as they disagree with what the scummy Latins believe.

>>23586 (OP) 
My intuition tells be the most humble answer would be something along the lines of: "God was vauge in the scriptures, we don't know how all of this works for certain.".

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Indeed. He is risen!

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>And in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. And behold there was a great earthquake. For an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and coming, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it. And his countenance was as lightning, and his raiment as snow. And for fear of him, the guards were struck with terror, and became as dead men. And the angel answering, said to the women: Fear not you; for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
>He is not here, for he is risen, as he said. Come, and see the place where the Lord was laid. And going quickly, tell ye his disciples that he is risen: and behold he will go before you into Galilee; there you shall see him. Lo, I have foretold it to you. And they went out quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy, running to tell his disciples. And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. Then Jesus said to them: Fear not. Go, tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, there they shall see me.

Happy Pascha to all who celebrate to-day!

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Consume the triune gummi-bear. Afterwards, reflect on the triune nature of God.

>>26610 (OP) 
>So what are some decent translations of the septuagint bible in english?

New English Translation of the Septuagint
https://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/
It's in modern English and it's free but it has a quirk where they kept the ancient Greek spellings of names.

Michael Asser Septuagint
https://web.archive.org/web/20151206021348/http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/zot.htm
Revision of the KJV done by an Orthodox translator.

Orthodox Study Bible
https://archive.org/details/the-orthodox-study-bible
It's in modern English based on the NKJV but it has an issue where it deviates from the Greek manuscripts and uses the Hebrew reading in places without any indication:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7BzYh3WskL4&t=1906

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>>26592 (OP) 
>What did you for this Lent?
Quit booze.

>>26599
God watch over you friend, it is a tough fight

I cut alcohol and soda which wasnt too hard. There were multiple gatherings where either one would've been nice, so it wasn't like I went through it without a thought.
My friend abstained from masturbation so I tried that as well. I made it pretty far at the beginjng but fell short towards the end. No fap is tough but I think I'm making improvements.
This was my first Lent where I actually sacrificed something. Maybe next year I'll make a concerted effort to pray more often during it or even try fasting. I think "giving up" image boards is a good Lenten sacrifice, as it's practialy garunteed you'll be exposed to things that can lead to sin.

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>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.
>I scourged Egypt for your sake with its first-born sons and you scourged me and handed me over.
>I led you out of Egypt as Pharaoh lay sunk in the Red Sea and you handed me over to the chief priests.
>I opened up the sea before you and you opened my side with a lance.
>I went before you in a pillar of cloud and you led me into Pilate's palace.
>I fed you with manna in the desert and on me you rained blows and lashes.
>I gave you saving water from the rock to drink and for drink you gave me gall and vinegar.
>I struck down for you the kings of the Canaanites and you struck my head with a reed.
>I put in your hand a royal sceptre and you put on my head a crown of thorns.
>I exalted you with great power and you hung me on the scaffold of the cross.
>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.

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Rejoice, heavenly powers! Sing choirs of angels!
Exult, all creation around God's throne! Jesus Christ, our King, is risen! Sound the trumpet of salvation!
Rejoice, O earth, in shining splendour, radiant in the brightness of your King! Christ has conquered! Glory fills you! Darkness vanishes forever!
Rejoice, O Mother Church! Exult in glory!
The risen Saviour shines upon you! Let this place resound with joy, echoing the mighty song of all God's people!

This is the night when you first saved our Fathers: you freed the people of Israel from their slavery and led them dry-shod through the sea.
This is the night when the pillar of fire destroyed the darkness of sin!
This is the night when Christians everywhere, washed clean of sin and freed from all defilement, are restored to grace and grow together in holiness.
This is the night when Jesus Christ broke the chains of death and rose triumphant from the grave.

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O Death, where is your victory?
O Death, where is your sting?

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Post palms from Palm Sunday.

And given that this is a christian board, for example, God knew christ was going to die in the cross, and let him to die and suffer, not because he hated him, but because he loved him. This is paternal love.

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>Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
When people say "love" to-day, they're almost always referring to either erotic love or a passive live-and-let-live attitude towards other people. Both are distinct from Christian love. I've always had a bit of an aversion to English-speaking people casually using the word agape to refer to Christian love (probably as a result of growing up around Episcopalians who would do the same with Hebrew words), but it is correct to do so and could be helpful.

>>26577
I love you too, anon~.

>>26577
In fact, the concept of amor fati is not christian, is from the greek stoic philosophy and in modernity comes from atheists, like camus or nietzsche, i was just using that biblical tale as an example, and is not like he truly died, because was a fucking immortal god.
This concept is somewhat different of the christian concept of love, but both are superior to the modern liquid love (which is a jewish anti-capitalist concept btw, but has some degree of truth)

yeah there's a lot of people who love themselves, so they try to be inoffensive so that no one will dislike them and try to spin their altruism as selfless love, but truthfully loving someone or something is to want what's best, even if it hurts him or her, or yourself.