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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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Post in this thread to share your current Bible reading progress and to be accountable before others in your study of scripture.

I have just finished Genesis, Matthew, and Mark.
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>>24554 (OP) 
I haven't read the latter prophets from Amos onward, besides the often cited verses like Zechariah 12:10. I'm gonna read them, then enjoy the Gospels again

I'm happy /christian/ is still around, it took some time to find it again. Have a good day Christanons
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>>26665
You too, friend.
I haven't really read the Bible seriously in years, front to back. The last time I did, I made it just about to the Psalms before burning out. I've picked up and read the Gospels a few times, although it's somewhat hazy to me. 
Recently I had to go to the psych ward. It wasn't fun, but they at least let me bring my Bible into the holding room. I didn't know what the future held for me, whether I would remain sane enough to be a Christian by the end of the week, but I took great comfort in reading the Psalms. I made it through about half of them as I waited to meet the psychiatrist, as well as all of Paul's Letter to the Romans. Reading Psalms 6 and 30 put me at peace for the first time in a while.

Psychosis is strong, but the Lord is stronger still. I should pick up where I left off.
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>>26674
God bless you, brother. The Lord is stronger still. Thanks for reminding of Psalm 30.
>>26674
Good on you, hope you're feeling better. You may want to take a look at a Daily Walk Bible, or find an outline online for reading it over the course of a year, it helped me tremendously.

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It is no secret the Eastern Orthodox reject the Filioque of Rome. 
But what is definitive Orthodox statement of what exactly is going on in the trinity? The Catholics can point to Florence. Is there a similar Orthodox statement? 

Part of me thinks that had Florence not dogmatized the filioque as "one principle and a single spiration" The Catholics and Orthodox would've reunited under an agreement that each side had a permissible theological opinion. I mean, the ultimate reality of the Holy Trinity is unknowable. 

That said, is there any way to resolve the controversy without rejecting the other side as heretical? I see all over the place bickering over who is right and who is wrong. But never do we examine any potential compromises or solutions. 

Perhaps we could say the Father alone is the principle/cause of the Trinity. The Father however,  directs the Holy Spirit as Spiration to the Son initially, and the Son responds in like, unified spiration. Therefore, the Son’s presence to the Father calls forth the Spirit from Him, in a sense. It is by his eternal and natural and proper love as Father for Son that the Ekporeusis of Spirit from Father is begun. It is by his eternal and natural proper love as Son for Father, that the Son calls forth the Spirit from the Father. The Spirit’s hypostasis is sealed in its procession by His resting upon the Son. 

Or perhaps would it be possible for the Latins to revoke the dogmatic pronouncement retroactively as the Greeks never ratified
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It also lends itself to the possibility of subordinationism and Arianism that the filioque is designed to exclude.

>>23616
>Grab a pen and paper and draw it.
It's just a matter of perspective. The Father begets the Son and the Spirit proceeds from the two as if a single principle. So if you didn't draw the relations as a triangle, but rather were looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source. Our God is three-dimensional.
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>>23618
>from the two as if a single principle.
And we know from Florence, Latin principle = Greek cause.
Therefore
>from the two as a single cause
>From the [Father and the Son] as a cause. 
Therefore, the son IS a cause of the Holy Spirit. 

Which s EXACTLY what the Orthodox reject. They believe the father is the only cause. 
There is no way around it now. 2=/=1. 
Catholics would have to backtrack the declarative statement of a council ratified by the Pope 600 years ago. Which they cannot and will not do. 
If it were so simple as saying "from the Father through the son" we would've reunited it by now.
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>>23618
>looking at the situation head on, the Son being the very image of the Father, it would appear that the Spirit is proceeding from a single source.
Rev 22:1
Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
>>23619
>They believe the father is the only cause. 
But do they actually, since they seem to believe in a variety of things so long as they disagree with what the scummy Latins believe.
>>23586 (OP) 
My intuition tells be the most humble answer would be something along the lines of: "God was vauge in the scriptures, we don't know how all of this works for certain.".

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CHRIST IS RISEN!
Happy Easter!
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Indeed. He is risen!
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>And in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. And behold there was a great earthquake. For an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and coming, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it. And his countenance was as lightning, and his raiment as snow. And for fear of him, the guards were struck with terror, and became as dead men. And the angel answering, said to the women: Fear not you; for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
>He is not here, for he is risen, as he said. Come, and see the place where the Lord was laid. And going quickly, tell ye his disciples that he is risen: and behold he will go before you into Galilee; there you shall see him. Lo, I have foretold it to you. And they went out quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy, running to tell his disciples. And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. Then Jesus said to them: Fear not. Go, tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, there they shall see me.
Happy Pascha to all who celebrate to-day!

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>Have been hankerin' for gummi-candy for a week or so now.
>Bought four bags earlier this day.
>Find pic-related.
What do /christian/?
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Consume the triune gummi-bear. Afterwards, reflect on the triune nature of God.

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I am from Romania and there is no translation of the septuagint bible into romanian made after 1914.
The septuagint bible is imo better than the masoretic one as it contains more than whatever the bare essentials were considered by the curators of the masoretic one.

There have been BIG changes in romanian dictionaries and lexicons so much so that I can only really understand 4/5 words/expressions.

I have made a promise to myself when I was a kid, to never read a book until I have read the bible from cover to cover.

I intend to fulfill that promise to myself even if regretably I can't find any half decent translations of it into romanian (so that I can promote it to people to read it themselves and to know what they are actually standing for as christians). 
So what are some decent translations of the septuagint bible in english?
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>>26610 (OP) 
>So what are some decent translations of the septuagint bible in english?

New English Translation of the Septuagint
https://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/
It's in modern English and it's free but it has a quirk where they kept the ancient Greek spellings of names.

Michael Asser Septuagint
https://web.archive.org/web/20151206021348/http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/zot.htm
Revision of the KJV done by an Orthodox translator.

Orthodox Study Bible
https://archive.org/details/the-orthodox-study-bible
It's in modern English based on the NKJV but it has an issue where it deviates from the Greek manuscripts and uses the Hebrew reading in places without any indication:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7BzYh3WskL4&t=1906
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I decided for this Lent to avoid browsing imageboards.
What did you for this Lent?
I also wish you a Happy Easter.
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>What did you for this Lent?
Quit booze.
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>>26599
God watch over you friend, it is a tough fight
I cut alcohol and soda which wasnt too hard. There were multiple gatherings where either one would've been nice, so it wasn't like I went through it without a thought.
My friend abstained from masturbation so I tried that as well. I made it pretty far at the beginjng but fell short towards the end. No fap is tough but I think I'm making improvements.
This was my first Lent where I actually sacrificed something. Maybe next year I'll make a concerted effort to pray more often during it or even try fasting. I think "giving up" image boards is a good Lenten sacrifice, as it's practialy garunteed you'll be exposed to things that can lead to sin.

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It's Holy Week (in the Western church) brothers. Four days until the Passion of our Lord. Are we doing anything to commemorate it?
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>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.
>I scourged Egypt for your sake with its first-born sons and you scourged me and handed me over.
>I led you out of Egypt as Pharaoh lay sunk in the Red Sea and you handed me over to the chief priests.
>I opened up the sea before you and you opened my side with a lance.
>I went before you in a pillar of cloud and you led me into Pilate's palace.
>I fed you with manna in the desert and on me you rained blows and lashes.
>I gave you saving water from the rock to drink and for drink you gave me gall and vinegar.
>I struck down for you the kings of the Canaanites and you struck my head with a reed.
>I put in your hand a royal sceptre and you put on my head a crown of thorns.
>I exalted you with great power and you hung me on the scaffold of the cross.
>O My people, what have I done to you? How have I offended you?
>Answer me.
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Rejoice, heavenly powers! Sing choirs of angels!
Exult, all creation around God's throne! Jesus Christ, our King, is risen! Sound the trumpet of salvation!
Rejoice, O earth, in shining splendour, radiant in the brightness of your King! Christ has conquered! Glory fills you! Darkness vanishes forever!
Rejoice, O Mother Church! Exult in glory!
The risen Saviour shines upon you! Let this place resound with joy, echoing the mighty song of all God's people!

This is the night when you first saved our Fathers: you freed the people of Israel from their slavery and led them dry-shod through the sea.
This is the night when the pillar of fire destroyed the darkness of sin!
This is the night when Christians everywhere, washed clean of sin and freed from all defilement, are restored to grace and grow together in holiness.
This is the night when Jesus Christ broke the chains of death and rose triumphant from the grave.
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O Death, where is your victory?
O Death, where is your sting?
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Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
If you truly love your children you don't let them do whatever they want and agree with everything they say. You are disciplinary if needed because you don't want to see them go a self-destructive path.
Ever since the hippy 60s movement I feel like people assume love means blind worship and acceptance.
I think love is motherly kindness and fatherly righteousness. 
Love your enemy doesn't mean to let evil have its way but rather to show them light and use force if needed.

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And given that this is a christian board, for example, God knew christ was going to die in the cross, and let him to die and suffer, not because he hated him, but because he loved him. This is paternal love.
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>Do you think the word 'love' has gotten skewed into something else entirely in recent times?
When people say "love" to-day, they're almost always referring to either erotic love or a passive live-and-let-live attitude towards other people. Both are distinct from Christian love. I've always had a bit of an aversion to English-speaking people casually using the word agape to refer to Christian love (probably as a result of growing up around Episcopalians who would do the same with Hebrew words), but it is correct to do so and could be helpful.
>>26577
I love you too, anon~.
>>26577
In fact, the concept of amor fati is not christian, is from the greek stoic philosophy and in modernity comes from atheists, like camus or nietzsche, i was just using that biblical tale as an example, and is not like he truly died, because was a fucking immortal god.
This concept is somewhat different of the christian concept of love, but both are superior to the modern liquid love (which is a jewish anti-capitalist concept btw, but has some degree of truth)
yeah there's a lot of people who love themselves, so they try to be inoffensive so that no one will dislike them and try to spin their altruism as selfless love, but truthfully loving someone or something is to want what's best, even if it hurts him or her, or yourself.

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Today is the Feast of Saint Joseph!

Hail, Guardian of the Redeemer, Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary. 
To you God entrusted his only Son; in you Mary placed her trust; with you Christ became man. 
Blessed Joseph, to us too, show yourself a father and guide us in the path of life. 
Obtain for us grace, mercy and courage, and defend us from every evil. Amen.


St Joseph, Spouse of the Mother of God and Foster Father of the Redeemer, obtain for all families the kind of love that will enable married couples to give themselves to each other unconditionally because of the sacramental presence of Christ and their freely-made vows. 
Thanks to a love like that, a family is formed, develops, matures and is a source of peace, unity and happiness for children as well as for parents.
Amen

St. Joseph, you are the chaste and loving spouse of the Virgin Mary, the foster father of Jesus, the protector and provider of the Holy Family and of all families. 
We have complete confidence in your loving care for new life and in your fidelity to the family. 
We commend our efforts to your prayers and protection. 
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St. Joseph, pray for us.
Illustrious son of David, pray for us.
Light of patriarchs, pray for us.
Spouse of the Mother of God, pray for us.
Chaste guardian of the Virgin, pray for us.
Foster father of the Son of God, pray for us.
Watchful defender of Christ, pray for us.
Head of the Holy Family, pray for us.
Joseph most just, pray for us.
Joseph most chaste, pray for us.
Joseph most prudent, pray for us.
Joseph most valiant, pray for us.
Joseph most obedient, pray for us.
Joseph most faithful, pray for us.
Mirror of patience, pray for us.
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>We know the words “Go to Joseph” in the Scriptures; now and always we obey this command. Therefore we shall lie hidden with thee, o patron, we shall rest behind thee, tired and pressed, surrounded by our enemies. Therefore, come now, our champion, swiftly defend us against evil spirit and men; safely deliver us to the goal of our journey, to Jesus, the son of Thy spouse whom thou kept safe; o chaste, o prudent, o faithful Spouse of Mary.

Do any of you have any favorite devotions to Saint Joseph? I personally like the devotion to his Seven Sorrows and Seven Joys.

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The Gnostic Christians were proto protestant in a sense. Before engaging this idea a few understandings must be agreed upon
>there was no gnostic "church"
>they were understood for most of history through the lens of a detractor deeming them heretics, who himself had doctrine considered heretical
>there is no perfect unified system and the beliefs vary
>the idea that could aptly unite them is that knowledge through Christ could offer salvation
This is the notion of salvation through faith alone. It says that nothing you do actually matters, it's what you think, and if what you think is a thought construct on the nature of Christ, his death, his resurrection, the implications of his death in light of the rest of the Bible, etc, that you're as good as saved, even if you sin. I see this as a welcome development and while MOST Christians who espouse salvation through faith alone aggressively would likely reject Gnosticism outright as heresy, they are still focusing on the idea. I think that salvation through faith alone is actually the same idea that much of gnosis derives from.
The issue is that people who preach salvation through faith alone are at odds with Catholics and numerous other christian run off cults that preach works based heresy while consorting with worldly powers, and so they lean heavily on literalism to boost their doctrine. Wha
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French writer Rene Guenon, who seemed to like the idea of the salvation through knowledge, and thus could accurately be called 'gnostic', objected to such names precisely because "there had been at least a dozen cults called Gnostic, some of those believed in diametrically opposed things".
You'll only get unhinged replies. Godspeed OP.
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>>23895 (OP) 
>proto protestant
Stopped reading there.
>facebook photo
Ctrl+f "God"
>not one (1) mention of God in his post

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Hi OP.
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Gnosis
Gnoos-sis
The action of the gnoos
The action of the I
Hylics don't really have an I so they can't gnosis
>>24588
OP's post is unhinged

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