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Anon, why aren't you using SimpleX on your LineageOS phone yet?
- just werks
- no phone number needed
- profile is on the phone and not on servers
- chat, voice calls, video calls, file transfer
- has servers, so you send stuff to people who are not online
- you can host your own servers if you want to
- has an a
- FOSS and on F-Droid
- has desktop application
I already moved my relatives to it.

SimpleX and Session are the only messengers that don't tie all your data to a phone number and my prepaid card is video verified with me and my government issued ID card and charged up using my bank account.

I had some doubts regarding Session:
- fork of Signal which I don't trust because it requires a phone number, has closed source components, took the open source build from f-droid by complaining there despite the license permitting it and is shilled by msm
- relies on a cryptocurrency, so maybe it's just some get rich quick scheme by the creator
- made in Australia
- shady black green website which looks like a glownigger honeypot
but maybe I'm totally wrong and it's a fine messenger.

All the Tox clients I tried were awful, so that was off the table too.
XMPP and Matrix need you to set up a server and neither me nor my grandma will set one up, buy a domain name and maintain it for all eternity.
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>>12931 (OP) 
Matrix doesn't require you to setup a server. You can use public servers.
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>>12931 (OP) 
>why don't you use new messenger X?
Because nobody I want to talk to uses it.
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>>12933
>even having someone to message 
Anonymoose forums are supposed to exist for a reason.
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>>12933
1. You don't know that.
2. You assume they don't want to use it or aren't willing to switch. You are wrong because most people are sheep and thus willing to install whatever you use.
>>12939
Are your parents dead already?
>>12932
What if the server owner fucks you over? Which matrix clients do you use?
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>>12943
What if the server owner of SimpleX fucks you over? I read their page about every direction of transfer having different receiving addresses. Glownigs can break it with correlational attacks, yes it's hard, but can be done if they own the server.
>most people are sheep and thus willing to install whatever you use
Yeah the same applies to the rest of their friends. Thing is they will just push you off if they have 10 friends using some botnet and you refuse to talk to them if they don't use your stuff.
Also >having people to talk to other than anons on this board
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>>12946
I'm sorry your parents are dead, anon.
>Thing is they will just push you off if they have 10 friends using some botnet and you refuse to talk to them if they don't use your stuff.
Make better friends then.
Signal is working on usernames so you don't have to give out your phone number https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/. The purpose of the phone numbers were primarily to prevent spam, and the closed source part of the server is also just to prevent spam.

I personally think those are not bad sacrifices to get an encrypted messenger that's polished enough for people other than me to use.
>>12964
>phone number
>closed source server
>not bad sacrifices
You may as well use whatsapp and whatever normalfags use.
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>>12965
if you've never looked into it, a few law enforcement agencies have requested user data from signal in a warrant. the only data they can supply is the phone number and the last time the account was used, showing how little data they collect on users
https://signal.org/bigbrother/
of course if you're ultra schizo you probably wont give your phone number in the first place, but just like telegram you could probably use a burner.
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>>12964
>>12965
>>12970
The app from the playstore contains closed source libraries too and the developers successfully requested a takedown of an open source build on f-droid.
Do not use Signal. It's not any better than Telegram or Whatsapp.
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>>12964
>were primarily to prevent spam, and the closed source part of the server is also just to prevent spam.
btw spamming users on SimpleX is impossible. If you care so much about spam, you should switch to SimpleX.
>>12973
>app
>playstore
If you think you can get any kind of privacy on android then you're deluding yourself. It is perfectly possible to sign up without the app. You need signal desktop, a QR code to text converter, signal-cli and a phone which is capable of receiving text messages. After that you can just use signal desktop through Tor.
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>>12975
I'm using LineageOS 21 and except for possible cellular chip attacks by literal glowniggers it's pretty secure.
Good enough for my threat model.
Further you're argument is "nothing is secure anyway, so why use a secure messenger" which is pretty retarded if you ask me.
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>>12976
>you're argument is "nothing is secure anyway
No my argument is that phones are not secure. It has a camera pointing at your face and a camera pointing at whatever is infront of you a microphone and gps and multiple radios with closed source firmware you have no control over. And the OS was made by a corporation who makes all their money from collecting personal data and selling it to advertisers.
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>>12982
Nigger, if I wanted to send messages from desktop to desktop there is plenty of desktop software like Ricochat, Torchat, i2pchat, so why use Signal? Fuck off Signal advertiser.
>>12983
I suddenly remembered Retroshare. I'd like to mention it if someone is looking for desktop software.
>>12983
What are you so butthurt about? Smartphones are not secure. It's got nothing to do with signal.
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>>12983
>Nigger, if I wanted to send messages from desktop to desktop there is plenty of desktop software
Yes if you want to send messages to yourself there are plenty of options. If you want to send messages to a real human being then you need to use whatever stuff they are using. So knowing how to use normie stuff like signal in a secure way is actually important.
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>>12989
>talking to normies
>real human being
Are they? There is no secure way to talk to them. You are asking how to eat shit in a clean way. Normies are the attack vector. If anything that means you are compromised by them already by bending the knee on your software choice.
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>>12989
1. Signal isn't normie stuff, so you might as well use a better app
2. Whatsapp is off the table
3. I made multiple real human beings use what I use (SimpleX) because I am the real human being and you are the NPC. (see picture for reference)

>>12988
Then why are you shilling signal which is known for its mobile app, retard?
>>12990
Yes. Their phones may have all kinds of aids but the very least you can do is use open source clients and servers for chatting with them.
Further having no ID and using open source software is precisely what keeps the aids with them and away from me.
>>12990
>Are they? There is no secure way to talk to them. You are asking how to eat shit in a clean way. Normies are the attack vector. If anything that means you are compromised by them already by bending the knee on your software choice.
Don't let software autism and schizo threat modelling be the reason you're still a virgin.
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