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Are you employed in a technical capacity? What job is it? How did you get it? What does your daily wokload look like? Are you looking for a different line of work?
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>>5873 (OP) 
May be mining, but I'll bite. Working my ass off on my two jobs. Programming. Daily work looks like another wagie locking in a cagie. Sitting on my ass enjoying the shit efficiency of working while not being able to work on my own projects.
Working in general sucks. I just want to do what I wanted.
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I'm interested in a jerb. I have no idea how to get one though.
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Just listen to /tech/ and learn HolyC and Lisp, avoid all the cancerous bloated languages like C++ and Python... Trust me anon it's the only way to be a good programmer and get a job. :^)
Why do you want to work? If you really want to, what are your skills?
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>Why do you want to work?
I don't actually want to work, I just want money so I can move out of my parents' house and get myself more and better computers. Work is the only way for someone of humble origins.

>If you really want to, what are your skills?
If I look at my recent github commits, I've cleaned up some shit portability code to the point almost all of it is gone (1000+LoC removed) and no platform was lost, fixed 2 buffer overreads in the same program, fixed the poor English in some documentation, updated a distro's package, ported a program to Musl, fixed the broken install step in a program's build system that was breaking the install step in a distro's package, written tests, and some more.

Right this moment, I'm cleaning up a library that went unmaintained for 20 years but is still widely used. The fork I'm working on was started by someone else a few months ago and it's already packaged in a few systems, that's how desperate they were to have someone maintain that library. I've accumulated so many fixes on it that I've almost rewritten the entire thing. 

I know POSIX shell, C, the POSIX C library, Autotools, POSIX Make, Meson, git, several CI systems, I've written programs for Windows, MacOS, Haiku, and basically all the free unix systems. I don't think there isn't a part of a program I haven't contributed to or written from scratch for my own programs: man pages, automated releases, build system definitions, tests, CI, linting, porting, the C source itself, libraries, packages, that Markdown README.md, you name it.
Given the broad range of programs I've worked on, I imagine most anons in this board are using something I've contributed to, however I'm not so sure about a random interviewer because I've mostly contributed to CLI stuff.
There's more I've done and more tools and small languages I know, more than I remember. My contributions aren't as great as I might be making them seem though.
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If you are doing this for money, working is very inefficient. You are better off trading stocks, fooling boomers, flipping ebay. After 8 hours of bullshit, you need a will of steel to do anything you want. Besides, dealing with your parents may be cheaper than rent, depending on your area.
With that said, from your skills, DevOps would be the easiest, unless you want to be a sysadmin or Linux programmer (not a big demand). With your experiences you should be able write an impressive resume. Start sending applications, you will need to send at least 100 in 2-4 weeks. I wrote a Latex template for cover letters, each job is just changing some variables.
You sound based and competent. I'd hire you if I have my own shop.
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NEETing can be an option as well. Identify as race fluid because you have mild autism and schizo on your application. Look for local Linux-related gags for additional income.
Some people managed to live off project donations and code bounty, if you are real good, try it out.
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Embedded systems could an option, too.
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If only I knew what it is that interviewers even want.
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Depends on who is interviewing. If a women is doing that, chad up and be sociable. If a manager is doing that, dive into technical bits of your experience. Apply for junior programming jobs that you can practice your interview on (and decline their offer). Most of the hiring decision, if you don't spill your spaghetti in the interview, was done with your resume. Blow up your numbers and mount an angle that looks best. For example, made one commit that fixed a minor bug on GNU coreutils; can be written as improved and fixed bugs on widely used open-source system components installed on almost all unix and linux (they don't know what the difference is).
Ss cybersec in europe even alive? Can you make a decent living out of it? Won't even mention red team stuff, it's just a meme at this point, at least here.
LMAO imagine working for $100 / month.
I work as a tier 3 tech for pos system multiple national company. Got it by a reach out from linkden.  Nope I’m in the process of looking for a system admin position
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Are there any places in Burgerland with a good amount of tech jobs that aren't liberal shitholes? I've heard that Oklahoma and Texas (minus Austin) have some good opportunities and I want to see if there are any more.
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Get a remote job, work 3 hours a day, get a mouse shaker for the rest.
>Nope I’m in the process of looking for a system admin position
Nice check out devops it's another word for sys admin but you get paid 50% more
Hardware jockey - keeping crusty PCs running as long as possible. I can score 20 minutes seat time by rebooting for someone not good with PCs or "go to storage facility for parts" if I need a half hour of quiet. Great gig, low pay though, probably retire doing this. Money isn't everything, it's a low stress job.
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I basically got duped into taking a help desk job where my primary goal will be "password reset jockey". However, it pays very well and is 100% WFH. They will eventually move me into taking on "real" issues, and their system is a clusterfuck that their documentation is not helping me understand. I understand that this is a "learn as you go" scenario and I will probably get settled into it, but I am quickly realizing that the tech field that I had wanted to enter into for so many years ultimately boils down to helping retards reset their passwords, commit domain federation/record crimes against humanity so the VP can have a different domain on his email, and the inevitable day when the server explodes and the company loses $5 billion because of you. The fun of fucking around with shitboxes from 2003 and installing Linux on a dead badger is gone. There is only Microsoft, Azure, AD, and pain.
I have decided that I want to go into game development on my own. I want to be self-sufficient and make vidya fun again. This job will be a good stopgap for now, and hopefully the good pay can be used to help pay for my dream. I still intend to learn as much as I can about tech, specifically advanced Linux, Docker, Kubernetes, LDAP, etc., things that will actually come in use for running a game company, I'm just disappointed that the fun died this quickly. What's the point in setting up a homelab/showing off my autistic projects when people can't even understand how complicated they were to set up, or the only people who will understand all reside on a Moroccan Clay Sculpting BBS?
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You are right, anon. At my job I had to do what those old niggers think is important, meanwhile nobody seems to care all our process is incredibly manual with no fallback. It is the same shit everywhere, pretty much all tech jobs.
No matter what you do, don't work for someone if that is your dream. Make your own company. They will always find a way suck the soul out of everything you dream of achieving.
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It has been four weeks and they still don't have all my access rights, so people call me and I can't do shit for them because they didn't even tell me how to reset an AD password ("oh no don't use THAT domain and login, use THIS one and make sure you click these buttons in this exact order or otherwise it doesn't work and you have to do it all over again"). Enterprise is a clusterfuck, it's truly amazing how this world functions at all. At least I helped some guy set up an Outlook rule and another with MFA.
>advanced Linux, Docker, Kubernetes, LDAP
lmao I learned all that am am getting back into pro game dev now. It won't help unless you're doing MMO/multiplayer and standing up the infra on your own instead of outsource to EOS/Steam/AWS GameLift type shit. Do game jams on Itch and learn Unreal+Unity if you want to get into gameplay programming. Unreal devs tend to be higher quality because C++ is hard n shiet.
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>>5873 (OP) 
> Are you employed in a technical capacity?
no, right now i am finishing my engineering degree and i don't have time for that, but before i had few different tech related jobs 
> What job is it? How did you get it? 
used to be web developer and computer technician 

technician job was given to me by my fathers friend whose company needed one, web dev job was given to me after i applied for that last year
> What does your daily wokload look like? 
used to be 8 hours of sitting in the office for both of them and doing tasks given to me by supervisor
>Are you looking for a different line of work?
yes, I want to become sysops/sys admin
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Algorithms is overrated in the job market. FAGMAN's hiring process is retarded. Leetcode grinding doesn't make one a good programmer. Most of the time, programming is an architectural problem instead of algorithm. It is about picking good names, applying the right abstraction and writing maintainable code.
>When in doubt, use brute force.
Using advanced algorithms can even make the program slower, because their lower big-O has a much higher constant and most of the time a program is not about sorting a million item list. Advanced algorithms have more lines and increase the chance of bugs and maintenance cost.
I am just not going to grind leetcode.
>want to become syops/sys admin
Why do you want to specifically? You need to luck out on a good office or WFH plus good management to get away with slacking off.
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Samefagging here, forgot to mention that knowing Git and CI/CD is actually really useful because game devs and especially artfags don't know it they all use Perforce. But be prepared to be running git tech support half your day and standing up + maintaining the pipeline
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>Using advanced algorithms can even make the program slower
Any advanced algorithms you actually want to use will be part of the language runtime and/or 3rd party libraries. Any business specific algorithms will be designed/modified by the neckbeard who has been working at the company for 20 years, not the guy fresh out of university.

>game devs and especially artfags don't know it they all use Perforce. But be prepared to be running git tech support half your day and standing up + maintaining the pipeline
Git is optimized for text diff'ing. Perforce is much better for binary files such as game assets.
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>Git is optimized for text diff'ing. 
Doesn't Git save different versions/snapshots of full files instead of diffs?
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It does. Git handles binary just like text. It performs compression and in some cases choose to compress blobs: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41482898/git-seems-to-store-the-whole-file-instead-of-diff-how-to-avoid-that
Currently working as a NOC tech. Usually I don't do much especially since I do night shifts now. Most of the time I am doing personal work, studying, or playing vidya. Just earned my Network degree and I am working on getting my Network+, afterwards my Linux+. Not 100% sure what I'll do after that. My ultimate goal is to be a Network Admin, or something along those lines.
I have 2-3 years of dev experience and I want to open my company or startup. How can I get into management or business decision without grinding 10 years into a senior and then manager and then CTO? I couldn't find any internship for managers and I don't want to go back to school.
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holy shit i am fucking done dealing with braindead retards at this job. i should not have to spend five minutes telling you where to click the fisher-price sized WiFi button on Win10. what i despise the most is people who don't understand anything about technology but try to play it off as cute or funny, because it's easier for them to play off incompetence as some kind of positive personality trait because they couldn't be fucked to every put in any effort to improve themselves either. 99% of the time it's an obese landwhale as well which just confirms my assumptions.
get me out
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Being incompetent is ok, the problem is not acknowledging it and properly offloading it.
For example, I don't know shit about fixing my car and I trust my mechanic completely. I don't try to outsmart him or stand in his way.
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exactly, i am the same way, i know what i don't know. but i don't try to act like i understand something or tell someone my entire life's story in some vain attempt to appear smart. if people just came up to me and said "my X doesn't work" and then just shut the fuck up except when asked a question (and limiting their answers to only relevant information) my job would be so much easier. but it isn't.
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>Being incompetent is ok, the problem is not acknowledging it and properly offloading it.
It's not only OK, it's an absolute inevitability for literally every human being throughout history. The list of known-incompetancies grows by thousands of items per day for all of us during this modern-era, no doubt.

The key to mental-survival in the unfathomably complex universe we live in is filtering. Or, as Trin Tragula would have it that, "if life was going to live in such a vast Universe, one thing it could not afford to have was a sense of perspective."
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On some sense of human supremacism, I believe human can understand everything. By applying precise filtering, computers can imitate Turing machines with infinite memory. Human brains can also employ the same strategy. Abstraction and categorization are precise filters.
Abstraction allow us to redirect pointers to a group of information, so we can swap information. For example, equations are abstraction for physical effects. We can defer evaluation of values to run calculations that would otherwise be impossible on so little space. Categorization allows us to limit ourselves to a subset of info.
Humans also improve their processing power by distributed processing and eventually self-modification. If open source and tested, I would plug my brains to my "Think"pad, maybe forever.
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Two words:
>incompleteness theorems

OK maybe that's 3, but w/e. The point stands that we, "wee", little humans have far, far to go until we reach your Ivory Tower fancies Anon. Humility is always much more becoming than hubris is, tbh. :^)
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It is not fancies nor hurbis. It is an attitude to not give up and a fact that approximate infinity can be constructed via lineages. If it is not human that do that, another lineage would. I have no pride in saying, that despite our limits, we should not be deterred from approaching infinity. It is because of knowing such limit, we should focus on exceeding or working around it.
>>5873 (OP) 
Cyber sec analyst. Both the most boring shit I've done to the most interesting.
Can I get a networking / IT job with a CCNA and CompTIA but no college experience? I have job experience but it's 2 years of Laravel PHP fullstack web development and it was during high school so I don't know if an employer would believe me.
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You can, but you are fighting against armies of pajeet. You will need more experience (years).
You can try. I think CCNA is usually highly valued by HR people and widely recognized. It proves that you know networking stuff. Perhaps you could host some services on a rented VPS and put a link on your CV (take inspiration from https://snopyta.org and https://nixnet.services). You don't need to host a ton of services but host something like pastebin clone, Scribe and/or Nitter. Don't host image sharing services because you need to moderate them a lot to not get your site taken down or you v&.
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I actually have a SaaS app I developed that did pretty well but it wasn't enough to escape wagiedom unfortunately. But I just don't know if that will be enough to get a web dev job considering the market is completely saturated so thats why I'm looking at networking since I have a CompTIA a already and am working on getting a CCNA cert. Hosting frontends like nitter is a good idea though thank you
Of course. A full stack web dev with the networking foundation of CCNA is valuable. Grind neetcode, get the AWS cert, and learn software engineering/systems design. You can easily earn 100k at a minimum after 6 months of grinding if you play your cards right.
If you want a job doing project management, look into PMP. But being senior takes experience no way around it except to aggressively get jobs where you can rise faster, by being surrounded by people smarter than you and changing jobs every 1-2 years
I think I blew it at my shitty help desk job. Boss let me know I might be up for a promotion to tier 3 and I got overly excited and spilled my spaghetti everywhere. He hasn't mentioned a word about it since then and has been treating me coldly. All that work pretending to be normal up to this point and one mistake just blows it all away. Fuck. I keep telling myself that I'm at least still at the same position I was at before. It's not like I lost anything that I actually had. But the idea that I might've dropped such an opportunity is so... disappointing. Typical, really.
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>spilled my spaghetti everywhere
What did you do?
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Think that one short from Sora Ga Haiiro Dakara where the girl loses it and starts speaking gibberish. Pretty much the only coherent thing I managed to state was that I didn't feel I had enough experience. Of course that's the exact opposite image that I want to project.
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lol probably not, especially if you'd potentially be interacting directly with other people on serious problems.  I wouldn't worry.  Experience and demeanor under pressure are things people look for when considering whom to trust with more power and responsibility, and everybody matures at a different rate.  You're obviously still going to be under consideration in the future even if you don't get it now.

Some jobs, like hired hands for trades, for instance, simply being able to show up on time, not be a dick to everyone, and get things done, can be in surprisingly short supply.
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>Some jobs, like hired hands for trades, for instance, simply being able to show up on time, not be a dick to everyone, and get things done, can be in surprisingly short supply.
I know a dude who is a supervisor in a trade making double what his underlings make only because he made it a year without getting fired for fighting, drinking, or doing drugs on company time.
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Sounds about right.  I was out of a job for a while during the 2008 crash, but I had some properties I was helping to manage for an incompetent landlord.  I don't know how to do everything myself, but more than one contractor was like
>uh buddy if you need a job uh
>you know basically most of the guys I try to hire they're all flakes, durggies, and drunks
>but you look like you know what you're doing
Just because I was busy fixing the shit I knew how to do at the same time they were doing their stuff.

Not exactly the big break as far as employment goes, but it goes to confirm that it's not that hard to get beyond entry level when your cohort is mostly fuckups.
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most of the time when i feel incompetent at my job, or that i'm slacking off and a huge waste of corp resources, somehow my coworkers make me look like Employee of the Month, every time. it's a good feeling to have either way, keeps you from actually slacking off.
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I experience this with bacon eating and my relatives.
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>assign ticket to different group
<they throw it back to me with a passive-aggressive comment bitching that there's not enough info, without clarifying any of the info they need
<instead of putting it back in the queue they assign it back directly to me where I am not notified, so it sits there for days not doing anything until I check it manually
i hate these people
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Don't forget the classic:
>take pains to clarify exactly what needs to be done and provide all details/information
<they assign it back to you with no notes and no work done
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their jobs are about to get a lot more miserable as well, now that we'll be forcing all users to submit their own tickets through our online portal. no more calling in asking for rights to our shitty database program from 1993, no more sending emails bitching that their mouse is broken, do it your damn self. heads will roll.
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>retard techs push another update that completely breaks Office and the only fix is a full uninstall/reinstall
this is the third time they've done this, what are those chimps smoking down there
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>still using Office
You only have yourself to blame.
>Some jobs, like hired hands for trades, for instance, simply being able to show up on time, not be a dick to everyone, and get things done, can be in surprisingly short supply
pay more and i won't be a dick.
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Take it up with the government and the banks.  They're the ones intentionally crashing wages relative to inflation.  You can always negotiate higher starting pay or ask for raises, but if you've made yourself annoying and fungible, then don't be surprised if an employer shops around for a better employee just as an employee might shop around for a better employer.
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>not paid enough to care
>don't care enough to get paid more
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I'm all too familiar with this feeling. Looking back, I have gotten significant pay increases by working harder than necessary. It's a gamble but it can pay off. Nowadays though, it feels like I barely have enough energy to get out of bed. I've been working lower and lower amounts of tickets and somehow I still managed to let a couple slip.

On top of that, my employer seems to have a boner for making my life harder. They're trying to force us all to be on incoming calls whenever possible (in addition to our ticket work), and they just announced a draconian new spying system wherein they'll literally be recording our screens and audio devices, both on and off calls. It's such a shame, I had hopes that this could be a comfy job where I could coast, but my justifications for staying seem more and more like sunk-cost fallacy than anything when they keep doing shit like this. I do fucking hate job searching too though.

I even directly asked about the promotion which was mentioned to me as a possibility last month. All I was told in response was "we haven't had time to think about it yet" which sounds to me like they want to dangle it in front of me forever like a carrot on a stick. I've been wrong before though.

So, yeah, who knows if working harder is worth it in the end. Depends on the employer, I guess.
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this is the part where you update your resume and start looking elsewhere. if your employer doesn't trust you to not be jacking off on reddit or cuckchan while working then they don't trust you period. you'll always be better off going to a completely different employer than staying with one until you're collecting social security, making half of what you could've made had you gone to a different company.
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Magic eightball is spot on.  There were two times a job just wasn't working out.  First one wasn't willing to budge on a bunch of corporate team building bullshit like having to spend a month living in one of their dorms and that just was not only over the top but also conflicted with my personal plans coming up.  So we worked it out that I could resign pretty much on the spot but without that reflecting poorly on me if I should want to join one of the upcoming recruitment drives that comes up every 6 months.

The other started out as a temporary part time thing because I just wanted to keep the bills mostly paid while I had the free time to work on some other things.  I said if they wanted to keep me on board then I needed a $10k/yr raise to start putting away into a retirement account (2000s dollars, so rather more in today's dollars.)  They seemed surprised I asked so listtle and immediately agreed.

Common factor in both situations was that the employer wanted me.  I would have liked to stay at either one of them, but you have to have some limits on what you're going to put up with and what you're worth, and sometimes it's for the best to be clear about what your parameters are for staying.  The worst that happens is they say no and you be the one to say, "ok I'll think about it let's keep going."  And if you have particular requests like vacation days, meetings that get in the way, surveilance state, then mention it.  You're probably not the only one getting rubbed the wrong way, and sometimes there's wiggle room for getting some sort of improvement even if it's not your ideal.
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>M$ forget to update a cert and everything broke again
death to microsoft
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uzbekistan has taken over the world
webm is mongolia but i don't care
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I'm trying to get my degree and once I graduate I was looking to go into webdev or something but this market is looking pretty scary right now. It feels like we're headed right into another recession.
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buddy we're already in a recession if not a depression already. the economy is going to suck for quite a while so don't go waiting for it to get better.
Yup.  Better start making connections and building experience while you can.  Certs in your spare time might be a good way forward to differentiate yourself from the average webdev golem.  A lot of people wind up doing some kind of easy IT or networking gig by eventually knowing more than the other noobs and do-nothings after getting in as some sort of lackey or other.

Graduate degrees are another way in, since they usually pay and then you get to know smarter people and do more interesting things, but that's not for everybody.  Internships or summer jobs with them don't hurt, especially if you want to get to know something unusual and interesting compared to a generic undergrad degree.
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