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Onion may have brief downtime on the 22nd

Regarding recent events: >>>/meta/4978 


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>>1123
>Except you have nothing objective granting those rules
You set the conditions for other people to use your property. That's what property is.

>You just have an arbitrary set of rules that everyone is supposed to get on board with.
Libertarians just want to be left alone, nobody is forcing you to go with them.
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>>149
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
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>>1168
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
If you are so weak you get addicted to stupid shit like youtube then that is your problem, not mine and certainly not the government's.
>>13
Why do the biggest assholes use this phrase?
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>>1206
Accidentally highlighted over my copypasta. This phrase:
>just really curious

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Smoot-Hawley 2.0: Electric Boogaloo?
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>>1266
>big line goes down
>big infographic goes red
and many p/e ratios are still crazy
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>>1271
He should be extra trolly and call it "The Second Boston Tea Party."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61nO1LQ3Hg
One thing that the tariffs have made apparent to me is how protectionist tariffs never actually went away. It just got hidden in regulatory compliance and fines, and that’s a perfectly O.K. form of tariff by the literati, and nobody ever talks about them.

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I think that libertarian's dogged defense of open borders has been disastrous for the movement. I can understand why you'd hold this position for ideological reasons and want the government out of the process, but it just isn't feasible and leads to disaster. Open borders and the unchecked migration of third worlders means death to civlizations. It's really that simple. It is, by far, the greatest threat that the West faces, and most libertarians have put their stake on the side that's very clearly wrong and joined hands with destructive leftists. 

The damage that this has caused to libertarianism is twofold. With the left in every country growing more authoritarian every year, especially the young left, we should seek to court rightwingers, who are naturally attracted to our ideas. Instead, on the most critical issue for young white men, who supported trump recently at 80%, we've given them the middle finger. It's beyond asinine. Secondly, the people that are being imported to our lands will never have any interest in liberty. Their brains can't even properly process such abstractions. The movement's really doing its best to import perma-leftist political enemies. 

Pro-open borders libertarians are underming the cause with their stubborness and helping to create a far less free future. They need to be made to see reason or be sidelined.
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>>1288
If only your post count was 200 higher...
>>1281
What are you talking about? Smith wasn't able to defend his own position without looking like a buffoon as always.
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>>1300
Not sure if Mandela effect, but I remember pretty clearly Smith holding onto his position while Murray could only resort to fallacies, with the Appeal to Authority fallacy being his ace in the sleeve.
>>1300
I'd love to refute you, but I've never been to Joe Rogan's studio.

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What is /liberty/'s ideal currency? Is it gold, silver, or perhaps something else all together? What does /liberty/ think of 1930's germany tying their money to labor? Is barter superior to currency?
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Thoughts on Zano? Is it worth using when there is Monero? Is it backdoored?
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>>1197
Roger Ver promotes it, maybe it's legit.
I'm going to stick with Monero for the moment
I miss /pmg/
I even somewhat miss iqdelete
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>>1304
Create a /pmg/ general on here. I can assure you that you are not the only stacker on here. 😊🥈
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>>1305
I don’t have the pasta, ill have to dig up the pasta 
We will revive /pmg/ >:)

Why did libertarianism die so fucking hard since '08?
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>>1248
I like the early 2000s as much as anyone else but Ron Paul's peak was objectively around the late 2000s. That was his run for president.
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>>1274
O.k., it should say:
>The early 2000s when there were a shitton of libertarians on the internet and it felt like by late 2000s Ron Paul and the Mises Institute were king. 
Does that correction really mean that much? What's your point?
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>>1263
It would be great to see it more active again. I have always thought that a decentralized monarchy with a feudal structure, mixed with some Distributism and a dash of Georgism, would be a nice flavor.
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>>1279
If we were going to make a zzz/monarchy/ might want to do so quick seeing as cuckchanners are infesting moe due to the recent hack. Make a /his/ while you're at it too please!
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>>1302
Probably more fruitful to ask here: >>>/meta/137

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Let me start off by saying:
- I know about Shadow Stats. I know about libertarian statistics alternatives. I have my issues with those, but I'm not going to bring them up here, and I hope you understand by reading this that that is not what I'm talking about.
- I know about how poor government statistics are. So, while this post may be of the same kind, I'm talking of a completely different degree. In my experience, it's always been bad, but not THIS bad.
With that said...
Price statistics have been getting really, REALLY bad recently. Yes, it was 'bad' before, but it's getting to a different level now, and I'm surprised there aren't more outlets talking about it. From what I can see, this includes pricing statistics both over the past few years, but ESPECIALLY across cities. The cost of living calculations being brought up by the various federal bureaus is really going off the rails.
My mother lives in Florida like every other old person in existence, and I live in what the government calls "flyover country." If I look up on a federal website what the cost of living difference is in--say--food, it says it's even. When I call up my mother about the price of eggs, she tells me in all the grocery stores in Florida it's at least 3x my price. Onions are 2x. Like this isn't "Oh, we're off by a couple % or even we're off by 30%." Most of these food prices are orders of MAGNITUDE off. Like they're WAY off. If I compare rent prices, cost of living calculator says it's 10% less w
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Have any of the cryptoanarchists thought up any solutions to the problem of fedposting?

Specifically the following playbook:
>Forum with actual freeze peach.
>Feds want to shut it down.
>Feds post cp on it.
>Feds claim, "You're hosting cp."
>No way to show that they've been framed.
>"Give us backend access to spam it the fuck with fedposting bots, or get shut down."
>Those that don't have a tor site get shut down.
>Those that do have a tor site, "Fuck off, we're resistant to censorship."
>Feds spam the everloving fuck out of the board--usually with cp anyways
>Have to put up a captcha.
>"Give us backend access or we shut down the captcha provider :)."
>Only freeze peach forums left are those with like 3 users who post every few months.
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>>1283
Of course the Jew is trying to shift discussion away from this.
I'mma bump this since the USAID feds have been defunded.
I have always suspected the feds of being the ones planting the CP, simply because most people into that vile garbage go to great lengths with secrecy. I have a hard time thinking that someone would take the risk to post CP blatantly. On the other hand, the feds take no risk at all, because no one is watching the watchmen.
>>676 (OP) 
>Have any of the cryptoanarchists thought up any solutions to the problem of fedposting?
Are you asking specifically for responses from people who haven't gone full "just get rid of the feds" yet?
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>>1297
In line with cryptoanarchist thought, I was wondering if there was some sort of technological solution.
The best I've seen so far is simply text-only chans.

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General thread for board activity.

I'll start.  I found out about a private security firm in Zimbabwe that...has blatant Ancap imagery.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/march-deficit-unexpectedly-tumbles-5-year-low-doge-cracks-down-democrat-money-laundering
>Oh boy, with all this 'corruption finding' and 'money saving' the deficit must be disappearing as we sp--
>It's still there. There's still a significant deficit.
>Well, it must be falling pretty rapi--
>It only made a blip this month.
>Well, it must be a large bli--
>We only have to go back 5 years to find the budget in better shape.
>...fuck it, run the article anyways.
Social security, medicare, and medicaid HAVE to be eliminated, or the U.S. will eventually end in hyperinflationary economic collapse due to them, and continually be in such shape like Argentina for the next century. The mere concept or idea of government entitlements has to be banned and completely obliterated. Their mere notion that government entitlements are anathema to any hope of liberty. There can be no beating around the bush with this bullshit.
Hello 4channers. Why did it take you so long to move to a new board?
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>>949 (OP) 
I wonder if this has some relation to the the few whites that are still in country. I've noticed that libertarianism is pretty popular in white enclaves in South africa.
>>1286
Because using altchans was and still is a shitty experience primarily because most of them still have crappy user interfaces.
One of the most valuable elements for me was being able to quickly and easily hide and ignore shit threads and keep and eye on good threads.
As one example on 4chan it took me at most a minute to sift out threads first by switching to creation date ordering by pressing "x" three times then manually holding shift and clicking the thumbnail of any thread out of the 150 or more I didn't like to hide it next press x again to return to bump order to browse, then just nuke anything bad that came up as it appeared, easy and minimally painful even before considering tools like filters, pinning, watchlists. even shitholes like /b/ could be almost pleasant to browse if you left only the two or three tolerable threads alive.
Decent well established offsite third party archives like desu and ghostposting were another nice feature if not part of the actual site.
Of course altchans seem to have such slow posting rates that it's not the biggest deal breaker but most seemingly still lack a way to sort or hide bad threads, or at least if that functionality existed it wasn't easy to find when i tested them out. This zzzchan seems to have a sort and a partly effective hide feature allowing you to sift out threads so I might stick around. I just don't understand why altchans haven't made their boa
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>>1023
>she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.”
She is a retard. Obviously it's about legal liability. You can't drink 1 month old milk and then sue the milk company for selling a faulty product because they clearly labeled what date the product should no longer be considered safe.

>The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.
What kind of retard throws out expired food and then runs out to buy the same food again? If you didn't eat it in time then clearly it's something you didn't really want in the first place.

>victims of capitalism
You're free to make your own judgment instead of blindly following the label. You're not a victim of capitalism you are a victim of your own stupidity.
>>852
>Little Prince
Based
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>>406
Personally I've come from reading about the nutrition and health field where regulatory capture is remarkably blatant dating back to the founding of the American heart association by proctor and gamble, which has pushed the idea for around 70 years that animal fats are harmful and cause obesity and heart disease.while their margarines are "harmless" or even "heart healthy".Cults like 7th day adventists pushing their religiously inspired dietry codes as good for you when they own some of the largest cereal companies on the planet and actively manipulate the dietry standards applied globally by governments.
Where drugs liker statins sommehow became a wonder drug hoping to be prescribed to everyone to save them from the dreaded cholesterol. Where using epidemiological food choice questionaires is apparently considered the standard for evidence after all other rivals were chased out or had their actually results based data founded on athletes and child growth rates defunded.
I can only imagine how bad the state is in other fields

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https://x.com/MassieforKY/status/1849860030654448055

Bad move IMO. The people who support Trump will think he is a weasel and the people who hate both candidates think he's cucked. He would have been better off saying nothing at all.
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>>1007 (OP) 
How can a libertarian support someone known for saying "You're fired!" who never fired Fauci?
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This thread aged well.
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>>1244
I thought I was having deja vu. I guess everyone forgot trump already came after massie before.
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>>1251
This time he'll be coming after Massie's Senate run, though.

Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
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>>1252
>Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
I can only get so hard.

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