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>>1123
>Except you have nothing objective granting those rules
You set the conditions for other people to use your property. That's what property is.

>You just have an arbitrary set of rules that everyone is supposed to get on board with.
Libertarians just want to be left alone, nobody is forcing you to go with them.
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>>149
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
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>>1168
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
If you are so weak you get addicted to stupid shit like youtube then that is your problem, not mine and certainly not the government's.
>>13
Why do the biggest assholes use this phrase?
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>>1206
Accidentally highlighted over my copypasta. This phrase:
>just really curious

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Are you ready for muh soggy knees, /liberty/?

Are women less likely to be libertarians because:
>Of "empathy blocking."
E.g., due to sexual diphormism differences in the human brain, female brains have a larger limbic system, causing certain logical conclusions to be less likely to reach them.  The slightly more positive way of phrasing this is "Females are so empathetic [that it blocks their cognition]."
>They are less likely to suffer the consequences of their actions.
Women are able to escape living conditions caused by policies they support either by marrying up, or otherwise using their overall cultural appreciation to make their decisions seem less bad to them on the margin.
>Both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIjLLZMWs
>Women actually admire totalitarianism because they admire those traits sexually, and this manifests in the kind of government they likewise support.
Alternatively, "Because men are weaker today, they look to government to be their strong man."
>They don't have the centuries of cultural tradition that men have.
In the scope of human history, women have only received suffrage relatively recently, and therefore have been making poor decisions because cultu
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>>1141
It's more than empathy blocking, it's a complete inability to see second order consequences, let alone third or fourth order consequences.
She talks about being left-leaning in theory, but in principle she "just thinks we need to see where the money is going better." Like she doesn't understand the massive amounts of incentive problems there.
She talks about getting a degree yet not being able to find a job with that degree, and then the thought process just shuts down after that point.
She talks about her mental health issues, there's zero talk of responsibility, just who's going to take care of it for her.
She talks about the crime or riots, but doesn't talk about the immigration or causes of it.
"I can't go to the pub, and I think people are going to blame labor for that."
There is a COMPLETE inability to think beyond the pale here. Videos like this make me righteously and outright misogynist. Fuck women, they really, truly, sincerely can NOT think.

And, as weird as it is to pivot to this, I have to ask: what is wrong about Islam? They've got issues with cousin fucking over there that's holding them back, granted. But what about the other stuff? They've got their drug issues under control. They've got their women under control. They want hard money. The more I think about women, the more I legitimately think about converting to Islam just to tell them their right about all of this shit.
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>>1371
>islam woman meme
you push this retarded meme like every fag trying to make it relevant, every successful religion has a caution and control over women, but islam is also very wrong about women in a really dangerous way
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>>1372
In Islam men also have sex with goats, sheep, and small boys for a really odd reason.
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>>1372
What's that?
>>1373
In the West they do the same thing. Lesser of two evils.
Whoever copulates with an animal, kill him and kill the animal.

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>>1385
There was this Econtalk ep recently about how EU powers are trying to make U.S. political parties like EU ones, where the right are statist with an anti-immigration corporatist bent, and the left are statist with a pro-immigration government bent; so that way they can COMPLETELY eliminate any libertarian ideology from the system.
Lot of shitty economics in that ep, but I thought that segment was interesting.
https://www.econtalk.org/two-cheers-for-libertarianism-and-econ-101-with-noah-smith/ fwiw
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>>1408
>the right are statist with an anti-immigration corporatist bent
>the left are statist with a pro-immigration government bent
>that way they can COMPLETELY eliminate any libertarian ideology from the system.
No combination of these things is "libertarian". 

>anti-immigration
Government arbitrarily setting rules for who can and can't enter/leave the country is not libertarian.

>pro-immigration
Government shipping in 3rd world migrants and using tax money to give them free food and housing and refusing to act when they commit crimes is also not libertarian.

>corporatist
Government giving special privileges and bailouts to favorite corporations is not libertarian.

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>>1409
Everything you said is exactly what 99% of the normies believes is libertarian. So, good luck with changing that public perception.
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>>1410
>Everything you said is exactly what 99% of the normies believes is libertarian.
Normies tend to think that libertarianism means anything for profit and corpos and "the economy" but that's just them projecting their own greed and lack of principles onto us. Leftists are obsessed with money for the same reason hungry people are obsessed with food.

If we could get normies to understand that libertarianism means the government is not your mommy and you need to take responsibility for your own actions then that would actually be a huge step forward.
>>558
DC is a foreign country to the dejure America I wouldn't set foot withing those 10 square miles.

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How about this new war going on?
>Republican President
>Conflict in the Middle East
>Antagonistic country was a former British protectorate
>Everyone suspects it's really about oil
>"Pre-emptive" war justification
>Want to oust the dictator

I completely believe Colin Powell that Iraq has WMDs.

Seriously though, ffs, we're doing this song-and-dance again, only with Iran? Did Trump and the Republicans get confused about the single letter difference?
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>>1411 (OP) 
War in a scam.
>government steals your money through taxes
>use the money to buy overpriced military equipment
>war corpos use the money to lobby politicians for more wars
>more wars means more military spending
>more military spending means lobbying for more wars
It's the self licking ice cream cone
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How is this as an intro?
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>>776 (OP) 
I don't know I haven't read it.
>>776 (OP) 
In my experience, people don't get logically introduced into libertarianism. They just have experiences with how terrible government is.

Case in point, most hardcore libertarians I know are people who've been working in government with no promotion for like >10 years.
>>776 (OP) 
I recommend Konkin's New Libertarian Manifesto given that it is much shorter.

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How can libertarians hope to win the war of ideas if the State can just endlessly subsidize propaganda in a hopelessly complicated web?

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Why the fuck aren't we talking about this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfcd0gWNIog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdDwUyAf84
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nO9e1ZkYex0
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>What's to say?
Funny memes, good 'best of' moments, etc..  Just to have two seconds to revel, because I feel like libertarians don't get that a lot.
>>282 (OP) 
Hoppe raped this guy
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so did anything good came out in the meantime from his governance?
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>>1402
Inflation has slowed down from nearly 300% to like 40 or 50%. I'll give him credit for somehow steering the ship away from hyperinflationary collapse.

The thing with Argentina is that the economy is so catastrophically bad that there can be massive improvements and things still look terrible. It's like taking a 700 lb patient with cancer, aids, and pneumonia; and you cure the pneumonia. Like, it's an improvement, but completely imperceptible.
>>863
Did Hoppe ever respond to Milei's response? I mean, looking at Hoppe's response I just can't help but feel like "Are you this naïve dude? Do you understand how checks and balances work?" Like, the President can't unilaterally remove departments even though he wants to. You still have to have congressional support. I'm honestly surprised he was able to do as much as he did.
Really, in general, I always get curious about how much hope people place in Presidents. They're not "L'etat c'est moi" creatures. Logically, there should be that much effort placed into senators, since filibustering has done more for the cause of liberty than practically anything else in recent times.

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What is /liberty/'s ideal currency? Is it gold, silver, or perhaps something else all together? What does /liberty/ think of 1930's germany tying their money to labor? Is barter superior to currency?
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>>1347
Also, I think there's a thread on /finance/ in the webring you should look at.
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>>1311
>people just kept debts and favours because they generally traded goods within the context of their own trusted and smallish clan/tribe sized networks
Yes I've read Graeber too. So what did people repay their debts with? I give you an egg today and you give me milk next week? That's just barter with extra steps my dude.

>>1347
>When should I start buying gold and silver?
Fiat is only going to get more and more worthless. It's like falling out of a plane and saying when should I open my parachute.

>>1348
>just get more stocks instead.
The stock market is as fake and rigged as the money supply. If you have inside connects then sure, otherwise you're just another chump spinning the roulette wheel.

>>1349
>a thread on /finance/ in the webring
They have a shitty captcha which prevents Tor posting.
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>>1393
>The stock market is as fake and rigged as the money supply.
At least it's less gay and rigged than C.D., bonds, and monopoly money by at least being linked to a business.
Also, ffs, I didn't say you shouldn't buy gold. You want to complain so much you can't even see what we agree on. But then again, that's kind of par for the course for us libertarians. Try and be positive and say what you do.
>They have a shitty captcha which prevents Tor posting.
Fair enough. What chans are left for the Torposters, anyways? Must be very few places you can even be on anymore.
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>>1395
>At least it's less gay and rigged by at least being linked to a business.
But there are many businesses that don't make money and provide no value to anybody and they only exist because of investor hype and government subsidies. How many entertainment companies should be dead and buried but aren't because they put a rainbow flag in their shitty game nobody plays and blackrock gave them 6 gozillian dollars for it.

I don't think this is an environment where you can effectively judge investments on business merit.

On the other hand Tom Woods just put out an episode shilling some options trading process he has been following and claims to be making $3k per week with it so who knows.

>I didn't say you shouldn't buy gold
Well you said gold is only useful in a doomsday situation. I disagree with that, it is a way of storing wealth long term without getting fucked by inflation. This >>693 holds for other stuff too like cows have been valued at around 1oz of gold for 100s of years.

>But then again, that's kind of par for the course for us libertarians. Try and be positive
Fuck you commie I'm the only _real_ libertarian here.
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>>1397
>Fuck you commie I'm the only _real_ libertarian here.
You're supposed to crash out with "You're all a bunch of socialists!" and ragequit.

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General thread for board activity.

I'll start.  I found out about a private security firm in Zimbabwe that...has blatant Ancap imagery.
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>>1389
So that you have a reason to go to war with them or seize their assets.
>>1389
Could you describe to me what you think >>1375 is saying? If I'm an investor in Ford, and I see they're taking on shittons on debt and it's just for their pension plans, I'm bailing, their interest rates are going to fly up through the roof as almost nobody would lend to them--in other words, their little corpo bond market would collapse.
I've heard people saying, "It's called BBB because that's what the U.S. credit rating will be if it passes."
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>>1394
Government is both the best and worst organization to lend money to.
Best because they can tax and inflate to raise the money to repay.
Worst because when they finally do default what are you going to do about it.

>I've heard people saying, "It's called BBB because that's what the U.S. credit rating will be if it passes."
The bigger the government debt becomes the more likely it is that they will say "fuck it" and refuse to pay it. You don't want to be the guy holding a ton of bonds when that happens. Either that or they will print their way out of the debt in which case you do get your money back but it will be worthless because milk is $100 a bottle.
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>>1398
I don't disagree with a thing you've said, but you write in a tone like what you're writing is contradicting what I'm writing. Sorry, I can't follow the conversation anymore.
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>>1399
You said something something Liz Truss something something Trump. I guess I disagree with the implication that whichever clown is currently on stage is causing bad things to happen. The system is fucked at a much more fundamental level.

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Why do "capitalist" megacorps support giant daycares for overeducated women?
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What is the libertarian solution for how terrible modern work is?
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>>1357 (OP) 
So you've finally figured out what feminism really is?
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>>1359
What a Jewish rhetorical question.
>>1357 (OP) 
>What is the libertarian solution for how terrible modern work is?
End the Fed. Without fiat money printing there is no funding for any of these zombie corpos that provide zero value to anyone.

End welfare. If women can't leech off the state then they will be forced to take family more seriously.

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