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>>696
It doesn't matter the board is completely dead at this point. I spent a long time making that Hoppe vs Walter Block thread only for it to get nuked because of a soyjak. You should just delete this board instead of hoping that people will forget how dumb and childish zzz mods are and come back.
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Do chemtrails violate the NAP?
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>>697
That sucks man.
>>699
No, because you first need to define aggression.
>>187
retard

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General thread for board activity.

I'll start.  I found out about a private security firm in Zimbabwe that...has blatant Ancap imagery.
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>>1059
Everything i have is cash, all i've ever used was cash, i only deal in cash
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>>1067
How many femboys do you have?
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>>1068
He doesn't pay me nearly enough :(
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What does /liberty/ think of the assassination of United Healthcare's CEO?
Wow.

Americans think that politicians would try to protect freedom more if officials had higher salaries.

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What did you guys think of the interview.  Some various thoughts of mine:
1 - The MSM's response and spin is so over-the-top it's both insulting and hilarious.  It's also really interesting what they don't report on.  E.g., the BBC doesn't report about the claim that Boris stopped the peace talks.  The German DW doesn't talk about Putin saying that he thinks he's fighting the U.S. _and Germany_--he names those two countries in particular.  They also make it sound like Tucker made Putin look like a saint and was unprofessional when in fact...
2 - I think this interview made Putin look terrible.  Like on the level of "I'm surprised both Putin and the Kremlin were completely O.K. with this, what the fuck?"  I was expecting more of a propaganda spin for their Ukraine war.  Instead, it kind of makes me root for Ukraine more.
3 - Man, the first half of the interview is a real slog, picrel.  However, it makes it plainly evident that Putin really honestly believes in irredentist foreign policy.  It surprised the shit out of me since I kind of thought we left that behind in the previous century.  This was the biggest takeaway for me.
4 - He's clear that the war was for Black Sea access.
5 - He doesn't see the U.S. as the most powerful country anymore, he sees China as the most powerful country now and therefore is just seeing what he's doing as moving into their alliance block.  He talks about Chinese trade and waning U.S. influence to a surprising extent that it feels like he do
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Russia's CBDC is GOOD because it state owned! 
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/russias-cbdc-exploring-the-truth 

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Russia’s central bank system doesn’t function in this way. In fact, the Russian central bank is not comprised of any member ‘branches’ and has no type of private or corporate ownership in the way of the U.S. Fed. It simply has offices of the main central headquarters in different parts of Russia, but these are just administrative offices and nothing more. Further, because of this much simplified structure, the bank is administered primarily by a far more transparent board of directors which are appointed by the Russian president and State Duma. And most importantly, those directors are not involved in the same conflicts of interest as are possible and rampant in the U.S.—i.e. sitting on boards of other major globalist conglomerates and private commercial banks.

In fact, in Russia the banking situation can almost be said to be backwards to that of the U.S. in the following way. In the U.S., the largest private banks control the government and its monetary policy by way of their direct control over the Federal Reserve itself. In Russia, the largest banks in the country, like Sberbank, VTB, etc., are actually majority-state owned. Which means the Russian government has the controlling share and say in them. 

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In fact, what’s startling for people used to the cronyism of the West, is that if you click through each member of the Bank of Russia’s board of directors, you’ll note that all, save one, are career state bankers, economists, or some type of career state employees. Meaning they’ve worked in various positions in the Bank of Russia or other state institutions for the majority of their careers rather than in private hedgefunds, investment firms, corporations, and the like, as is so common in the U.S. Federal Reserve system.

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>>1060
> to destroy the Western banking cartel influence over Russia and centralize Russian banking under the state, as it should be. 
Who gives a fuck if russian banking is monopolized by western elites or russian elites, the russian people lose either way. Stop worshiping your oppressors.
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>>1062
>Stop worshiping your oppressors.
Kremlintarianism is the support of Kremlin policies (Kremlinism, in particular the russian invasion of Ukraine) by self-professed libertarians. Kremlin policies, of course, are the complete opposite of the libertarian philosophy of non-aggression and individual rights.

Kremlintarians are therefore anti-libertarian vatniks (followers and spreaders of Kremlin propaganda) and tankies (supporters of authoritarian regimes) pretending to be libertarians. 
https://en.liberpedia.org/Kremlintarianism
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>>1063
Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Globohomo.
>>1063
>https://en.liberpedia.org/%E2%80%9CMises%E2%80%9D_Caucus
>The “Mises” Caucus is a PAC of the “Libertarian” Party which it took over in May 2022 [2]. It is not a caucus but a PAC, and it is neither libertarian nor related to Ludwig von Mises in any way. It is more accurately described as the “Hoppe Caucus” or the “Misnamed Caucus”. It is anti-libertarian, not libertarian. 
Fuck off and take your gay wiki with you.

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Who wins?
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>>1051
>The first debate was horrifying, and showed from before the official start of Kamala's campaign that she wasn't doing her job.
There's a theory that when they forced Biden to withdraw from the race he went off script by nominating Harris and after that they were stuck with her.

>What the hell was up with picking Walz?
They had to pick someone who wouldn't outshine Harris so the bar was extremely high.

>Currying favor from out-of-touch elite Hollywood celebrities.
They are the only people they could blackmail.

>Complete lack of ability to keep up with the current media landscape
It would have been worse for them if Harris had done more interviews because even the most blue pilled NPCs would not be able to deny she is a retard with nothing to say.

>She really fucked up with Rogan.
What's even more retarded about this is that Rogan is a Bernie Sanders socialist. If the Democrats weren't so obsessed with trannies and culture war bullshit he would have been on their side by default. They are the ones who snubbed him not the other way around.
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>>1053
>There's a theory that when they forced Biden to withdraw from the race he went off script by nominating Harris and after that they were stuck with her.
Biden 100% shadow campaigned for Trump.  Between the 'garbage' comment, his wife wearing red on election day, and the purple tie w/HUEG smile when Trump visited--he HAD to be behind Trump.
>They had to pick someone who wouldn't outshine Harris so the bar was extremely high.
Why did Trump have no issues picking a VP who outshines him, then?
>They are the only people they could blackmail.
kek
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>>1053
>If the Democrats weren't so obsessed with trannies and culture war bullshit he would have been on their side by default. They are the ones who snubbed him not the other way around.
I get the impression that all those "Body builders are far right extremists" articles pushed Rogan over as well.
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>>1055
A better example.
>>1054
>Between the 'garbage' comment, his wife wearing red on election day, and the purple tie w/HUEG smile when Trump visited
Also that video of him putting on a MAGA hat for some kids.

>Why did Trump have no issues picking a VP who outshines him, then?
Now that I think about it they probably knew Harris has zero chance of winning and didn't want to waste any of their "good" people on a lost cause.

>>1055
>Body builders are far right extremists
It is an accurate correlation though. Leftists hate fitness because it requires you to do the work as an individual. It requires discipline and self ownership. You can't just use politics to steal somebody else's gains. I actually got banned from /leftypol/ for saying this so it must have hit a nerve.

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>>691
>victims of capitalism
When I first realized that date labeling wasn’t linked directly to scientifically backed safety standards but to a more subjective, voluntary, and nebulous standard of “freshness,” I wondered if it was … well, kind of a scam. After all, customers don’t benefit from throwing out foods; grocers lose money; farmers miss out on possible sources of revenue. The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.

I asked Emily Broad Leib, the director of the Harvard Law School Food and Policy Clinic and lead author of the 2013 study, about this. She laughed and said I’m not the only one to wonder if we’re just getting played.

But, she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.” The methods by which they determine that date can vary; a big manufacturer might run a focus group with consumers to determine the date, while a small producer may just hazard a guesstimate. But importantly, the freshness date almost never corresponds to the food’s safety — to whether or not it could make you sick.

Suppose you buy a particular brand of yogurt, 
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>>1023
>she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.”
She is a retard. Obviously it's about legal liability. You can't drink 1 month old milk and then sue the milk company for selling a faulty product because they clearly labeled what date the product should no longer be considered safe.

>The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.
What kind of retard throws out expired food and then runs out to buy the same food again? If you didn't eat it in time then clearly it's something you didn't really want in the first place.

>victims of capitalism
You're free to make your own judgment instead of blindly following the label. You're not a victim of capitalism you are a victim of your own stupidity.
>>852
>Little Prince
Based

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A long time back the Mises website used to run their own forum.  We had a troll on the site named "Socialist Gerry" (Socialist Gerry -> Socialist German -> Nazi).  He was irritating, he messed up the board, but everyone replied to him all the same and he stayed around until eventually he got bored and left the site and was replaced by some other moron.

Now, even on libertarian forums, I've noticed trolls like this get banned.  But should they?

Yes, under libertarian ethics it's allowed.  Yeah, it's private property.  Private property owners can do that.  This is not an ethical argument I'm making, it's more of a cultural/moral one.  Like I get you don't want someone running naked on the libertarian party stage, but there's a matter of degree here, and I'm not asking to let communists into your neighborhood, but I am asking that maybe there's a more general moral argument that should be shared so that libertarians and others alike can just...not all turn into HOA Karens.

More generally than just the libertarian sphere, I feel like all across the internet the amount of tolerance has slipped dramatically.  I think that internet communities tend to be more and more ban happy and gatekeepy, and it's getting worse as time goes on.  This doesn't appear to be a government issue; it appears to be a cultural issue.

Personally, I'm making this post because--and this might be because I've become a worse individual over the years--but I can't really find any other places
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>>1037
Bro it's from his official website.  People can still criticize Trump without automatically being cock-sucking CNN-watching communists, they can even criticize him while still supporting him.
Section 230 bullshit:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-donald-j-trump-free-speech-policy-initiative
FISA court and whistleblower bullshit:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trumps-plan-to-dismantle-the-deep-state-and-return-power-to-the-american-people
In better news, Mike Pompeo is NOT going to be in the cabinet!
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>>1041
This and the Ron Paul forum are the only libertarian spaces that I know of and I'd rather post there than in any schizo'd out fascist board.
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>>1042
>In better news, Mike Pompeo is NOT going to be in the cabinet!
Nikki Haley too!

Yaaaaay, neocons get wrecked!
I've been speaking with friends of mine who supported Kamala, and am really surprised by how many of them aren't just surprised by Trump winning, but by Trump _crushingly_ winning.  There's a lot of, "How?" "I don't know anyone who supported Trump!" (I never told them) "Who are these people?" "Why were the polls so wrong?!" or just outright denial that Trump supporters exist at all.

At some point one has to realize that banning everyone off of your platform, deleting their posts, falsifying polling data, etc. is creating an echo chamber where you don't know what reality is anymore.  If you can't know what reality is anymore, you won't be able to function or plan your actions.  At some point, don't moderators, pollsters, and the media realize that they're doing this to themselves, and that it's in their best interest to have an American Glasnost?
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>>1045
leftists: billionaires and corporations are evil scumbags who will do anything to make a profit
>also leftists: let me download today's news and talking points from my favorite billionaire controlled media corporations

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You can't. You're either based or you're not.
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>>536
as opposed to using violence to achieve tyranny? Kys faggot.
Alright, now that the election is over and the bots are all unfunded and probably left, time to post on the board again!
>>959
What you said and how what I said can still both be true.
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>>1024
>What you said and how what I said can still both be true.
Liberty and equality are opposites.
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>>1031
Yes.  I know.  You already said that, and I already agreed with it.

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I'm kinda depressed by how people can't even agree that printing a fuckton of money causes price inflation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%932023_inflation_surge
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>>821 (OP) 
Actually, if you cook the money after you print it, it doesn't cause inflation. Most of our economic problems are caused by using raw money. Raw money contains pathogens that cause economic inflation.
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>>894
Basically what they believe.
>>821 (OP) 
>people can't even agree that printing a fuckton of money causes price inflation.
A lot of propaganda goes into making sure normies don't make the link between government spending and inflation. The only way they can sell a 20 year war in Afghanistan to voters is if they think it's not costing them anything.

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I've heard a theory exposited that I'd like to hear the opinion of other libertarians on:

The current rich elite are highly anticapitalist because they inherited their wealth from their parents without any work of their own.  This leads to psychological deep rooted feelings of guilt, paranoia, and fatalism.  This in turns leads to a high degree of self-hatred.  This self-hatred manifest as self-destructive behavior.  This self destructive behavior is the reason that trust fund babies are supporting socialist causes which undermine their own interests and the interests of others.

c.f. https://archive.is/0OU0i
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>>296
>I really do think something is different about the latest generation
Ok but why does it matter. Several generations of parents worked hard and made sacrifices to build up this intergenerational wealth and now some degenerate douchebag  is wasting it. It's none of my business. It's none of your business. It is BLM style propaganda. It is a tiny insignificant occurrence that they rub in your face because they know it will trigger you because muh injustice or whatever. The simple fact is that your wealth is your property and you can give it to whoever you want including your douchebag kids.

>>297
>My counter-point: socialism has always been bourgeoise. 
Thomas Sowell has a good quote about exactly this
>The Marxist constituency has remained as narrow as the conception behind it. The Communist Manifesto, written by two bright and articulate young men without responsibility even for their own livelihoods—much less for the social consequences of their vision—has had a special appeal for successive generations of the same kinds of people. The offspring of privilege have dominated the leadership of Marxist movements from the days of Marx and Engels through Lenin, Mao, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, and their lesser counterparts around the world and down through 
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>>306
>Ok but why does it matter. 
Because:
1 - These guys are my enemies, and I'm trying to develop a psychological profile to know them better so I can deal with them better.
2 - I don't want my kids to end up like this.
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>>311
>1 - These guys are my enemies,
The main enemy is the money printers and those that physically protect them. Everyone else is a pawn.

>2 - I don't want my kids to end up like this.
I would make it clear from the start that your shit is not automatically their shit. Teach them that they have to work for what they want. My dad was also very clear that I am out of the house when I turn 18 whether I'm ready for it or not.

You have to teach them how money and markets work as well though. The big trap for entitled middle class brats is that they will get high grades in school and then go to college and get a masters degree and then they graduate and don't magically get a high paying job. "But I did everything right why am I working at starbucks capitalism has failed". You have to teach them that they need to give value to get value. Show them how an electrician and a plumber with no higher education makes more than a phd astrophysicist simply because the work they do is more valuable to society and the market (when it is not too fucked up by government interventions) will reward that.
This is only very tangentially related, so sorry for necroing an old thread with this, but does home ownership correlate with support for capitalism?  The idea being that in order to be a capitalist, you have to have a stake in it.
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>>922
Post-election bump.

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when you cant sign up and/or post using a vpn to protect your privacy. I hate redditors so much.
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>>971 (OP) 
The whole english speaking internet is in lockdown because of the imperial elections and "muh russian bots". Things should ease up in a few weeks.
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>>981
so after the election I can use reddit on a vpn?
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>>988
Well, does it work now, or do you really still want to be on plebbit?

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