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I'm just curious how anyone here could make the case that the US was ever freer than ancient rome especially when looking at the USA. Having local laws on top of federal laws just leads to tyranny as a lot of local laws end up contradicting or eradicating constitutional rights (which are supposed to be guaranteed). In ancient rome, you could believe what you wanted to believe as long as it wasn't disruptive/destructive to society. America from the very onset did not allow you to believe what you wanted to believe. All US states had a law against homosexuality at one point and if your religious views allowed sodomy, then you have been stripped of your supposed right of religious freedom. The US has never been a free country and modern day America is proof of how much of a failure it is at being a free country. State laws being piled on top of federal laws only makes it so that people are always committing crimes even if those crimes are totally harmless. People should not have to look into laws from county to county and state to state just to see what they are allowed to do
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>>251
>Local states have done virtually nothing against the federal government infringing on their rights in America.
Drugs, abortion, guns, pick one. Any combination of issues has been pushed at the federal level and resisted by some state or another.

>None of the "distributed power structures" have done anything significant against the federal government 
Not since the civil war no.

>The federal government has ultimate authority of what is allowed to happen state to state
Yes but your influence on the federal government is microscopic. The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.

>Modern day America is tyrannical and you'd still have to do something to this affect to make any meaningful difference.
You just need a state to succeed from the union without triggering another civil war. Texas seems to be the most likely.
https://mises.org/library/common-sense-case-independent-texas

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>>253
>Everything in the US is taxed, such that the lowest tax you'll pay is 60%.
The modern state doesn't live on taxes. They print money through the central bank and just give it to themselves. The point of taxes is to control inflation by removing the excess money from the economy after the important people have already spent it.

>Ancient Rome before the collapse had a tax of 1 day's work out of the entire year.
I don't know much about ancient rome but I'm pretty sure they debased their currency to the point of worthlessness at some point near the end.
>>257
>The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.
Authoritarians always assume that "their guy" will be in charge. You'd be a fucking retard if you helped build a totalitarian superstate if you thought there was any chance that some violent psychopath could take it over and use it against you.
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>>259
You're an idiot lol
>>234 (OP) 
The fundamental principle of liberty is the limitation of government. The state, when it exceeds its proper function, becomes a force of oppression rather than a protector of freedom. The United States, despite its foundation on constitutional rights, has drifted towards interventionism, where laws, layered by federal and local governments, shackle individuals rather than safeguard their liberties.

Rome, in its republican and early imperial periods, operated under a legal framework where personal beliefs were not regulated unless they threatened public order. Compare this with the United States, where laws have been historically weaponized against certain personal freedoms, contradicting the very essence of liberalism.

True liberty requires a system where property rights and voluntary exchange are respected above all else. Government should not dictate morality, nor should legal codes contradict one another to entrap individuals in a maze of bureaucratic tyranny. If the states contradict the federal principles of freedom, the system is flawed, as arbitrary governance undermines the fundamental principles of classical liberalism.

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>You didn't build that.
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>>1159 (OP) 
In the grand arena where minds collide,  
The libertarian stood, filled with pride.  
Freedom his banner, markets his sword—  
Against the fascist, his voice roared.  

But the fascist, cold and sharp as steel,  
Spun his rhetoric with ruthless zeal.  
Facts like shackles, tightened tight,  
His opponent faltered in the fight.  

Words turned weapons, logic a trap,  
The libertarian stammered, caught in the gap.  
His ankles grabbed, his cheeks were clapped,  
A brutal defeat, his pride untapped.
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>>1364
idk, sounds kinda Jewish.
In the context of India's linguistic diversity, how might a libertarian approach to language policy fare against a fascist, centralized language policy? Would the freedom to choose one's language of instruction, administration, and communication prevail, or would a forced, unified language policy dominate?
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>>1367
Well now, step right up, see the grand parade of tongues—libertarian whispers crawling through the streets like stray dogs, and the fascist boot stamping out syllables like cigarettes on a bar floor. India, a seething linguistic jungle, where words twist like opium smoke and histories collide in the bloodstained bureaucratic ink.

Libertarian language policy? A roulette wheel spun by the people, words loose, free to evolve like gutter slang or highborn verse. Choose your own dialect, script, sound—no central master puppeteering their tongues. It’s chaos, sure, but there’s rhythm to it, a jazz band of a thousand voices riffing off history.

Now, the fascist—oh, he loves a tidy narrative. He wants a singular tongue, disciplined and marching in lockstep, a tongue that cuts and flays and binds a nation in syllabic chains. Efficiency, he whispers, unity, strength—but what’s unity without friction? What’s strength without resistance? A dull blade.

The battle? It rages beneath flickering neon signs and ancient temple stones. Will the street slang win out, soaking into the bones of a billion souls, or will the bureaucratic hammer mold them into a singular steel mold? The verdict’s still out, baby. History’s watching, smoking a cigarette in the alleyway, waiting to see which way the dice roll.
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>>1367
>>1368
Stop ChatGPTposting

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>Cost of living crisis hits its stride
>Continues for another decade.
>Youth milestones for billions "on hold."
>No family formation, no household ownership, no roommateless apartments, no independent living, jobs cover staples and nothing else.
>Many continue out of hope of "Will get promoted" or literally winning the lottery.
>Economic Depression hits.
>Hundreds of millions across the world lose their employment.
>Suicide rate increases slightly.
>People see the trends, and hopelessness increases exponentially.
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
>A literal death spiral emerges.
>One day someone snaps, and suggests a mass suicide day.
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
>You could never stop it.
>Hundreds of millions off themselves on a single day.
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>>1309 (OP) 
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
That's when this prediction falls apart. If anything more people will hold out on the hopes of others killing themselves.
>>1309 (OP) 
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
Oh no muh labor supply. Labor is so irrelevant to the western economy that nobody is even lobbying against higher minimum wages. Try reading an economics book from this century.

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>>1266
>big line goes down
>big infographic goes red
and many p/e ratios are still crazy
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>>1271
He should be extra trolly and call it "The Second Boston Tea Party."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61nO1LQ3Hg
One thing that the tariffs have made apparent to me is how protectionist tariffs never actually went away. It just got hidden in regulatory compliance and fines, and that’s a perfectly O.K. form of tariff by the literati, and nobody ever talks about them.

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Let me start off by saying:
- I know about Shadow Stats. I know about libertarian statistics alternatives. I have my issues with those, but I'm not going to bring them up here, and I hope you understand by reading this that that is not what I'm talking about.
- I know about how poor government statistics are. So, while this post may be of the same kind, I'm talking of a completely different degree. In my experience, it's always been bad, but not THIS bad.
With that said...
Price statistics have been getting really, REALLY bad recently. Yes, it was 'bad' before, but it's getting to a different level now, and I'm surprised there aren't more outlets talking about it. From what I can see, this includes pricing statistics both over the past few years, but ESPECIALLY across cities. The cost of living calculations being brought up by the various federal bureaus is really going off the rails.
My mother lives in Florida like every other old person in existence, and I live in what the government calls "flyover country." If I look up on a federal website what the cost of living difference is in--say--food, it says it's even. When I call up my mother about the price of eggs, she tells me in all the grocery stores in Florida it's at least 3x my price. Onions are 2x. Like this isn't "Oh, we're off by a couple % or even we're off by 30%." Most of these food prices are orders of MAGNITUDE off. Like they're WAY off. If I compare rent prices, cost of living calculator says it's 10% less w
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>>1023
>she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.”
She is a retard. Obviously it's about legal liability. You can't drink 1 month old milk and then sue the milk company for selling a faulty product because they clearly labeled what date the product should no longer be considered safe.

>The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.
What kind of retard throws out expired food and then runs out to buy the same food again? If you didn't eat it in time then clearly it's something you didn't really want in the first place.

>victims of capitalism
You're free to make your own judgment instead of blindly following the label. You're not a victim of capitalism you are a victim of your own stupidity.
>>852
>Little Prince
Based
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>>406
Personally I've come from reading about the nutrition and health field where regulatory capture is remarkably blatant dating back to the founding of the American heart association by proctor and gamble, which has pushed the idea for around 70 years that animal fats are harmful and cause obesity and heart disease.while their margarines are "harmless" or even "heart healthy".Cults like 7th day adventists pushing their religiously inspired dietry codes as good for you when they own some of the largest cereal companies on the planet and actively manipulate the dietry standards applied globally by governments.
Where drugs liker statins sommehow became a wonder drug hoping to be prescribed to everyone to save them from the dreaded cholesterol. Where using epidemiological food choice questionaires is apparently considered the standard for evidence after all other rivals were chased out or had their actually results based data founded on athletes and child growth rates defunded.
I can only imagine how bad the state is in other fields

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https://x.com/MassieforKY/status/1849860030654448055

Bad move IMO. The people who support Trump will think he is a weasel and the people who hate both candidates think he's cucked. He would have been better off saying nothing at all.
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>>1007 (OP) 
How can a libertarian support someone known for saying "You're fired!" who never fired Fauci?
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This thread aged well.
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>>1244
I thought I was having deja vu. I guess everyone forgot trump already came after massie before.
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>>1251
This time he'll be coming after Massie's Senate run, though.

Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
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>>1252
>Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
I can only get so hard.

I'm going to just suggest some right/libertarian Youtubers.  Please do the same.

Mentis Wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ena7-7sd0uY
Romanian TVee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAlsIEPROo
Freedom Toons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyvN6flbAWM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHA3KLL7Ho
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>>1075
p. small channel, huh.
>>913
>Tom Woods
Why do the Mises Institute, Tom Woods, and Michael Malice all have that same hard metal intro?
>Ron Paul Liberty Report
Man, I like his content, and I know this is rude, but I'm sorry I just can't stand that slow 90-year-old speaking pace.
>>910
Is it the Chinese cartoons?
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This is kind of old now, but it's a bunch of oldfag cypherpunks having a good roundtable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlqOmAOqEmk
Just the one ep.
>>1105
>I know this is rude, but I'm sorry 
I know what you mean. He used to be a competent public speaker. It can be hard to watch time take it's toll like that.
Ceadda of Mercia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAURXQPpXwE
>>910
He knows what he's talking about but he's pretty entry level and more memey. I think he's deliberately targeting an audience of young people unsure of their politics and those who are just starting to dabble in things outside of the mainstream.
>>1075
Definitely the best I've found. Very polished presentation, direct points, and clear logic.

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Daily reminder that Trump's tariff is reminiscing Herbert Hoover policy in 1929. Don't be surprised when the unemployment rate soon will rise up to 60% right in America. We are witnessing history repeating itself in real time.
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>>1268 (OP) 
This thread is already in >>1265 .
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>>1269
Disregard me, the board is dead enough as it is to gatekeep like that. Continue.
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Looking back at all the government programs  retrospectively during Hoover administration, I hope you'll find this video educational. Do you find any similarities of what Trump is doing compared to Hoover?

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 Who do you want to win? Are you neutral? I'm sure no one here backs Harris, but the Project 2025/Vance thing has hurt Trump's momentum a lot.
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>>1233
>There is nothing unlibertarian about forming a group or militia. 
Except for the part where the people it protects pay taxes to it, and the part where the officers carry pistols so that they can shoot men who disobey orders in combat.

>nooooo, anything but blood and soil!

It's called kin preference, and men are willing to fight and die for it. Lolbertarians do not offer any similar motivation. Muh no color matters but green, gimme muh shekels, muh thirty pieces of silver, muh voluntary associations only, muh color blind ideals, all of that works right up until someone uses force. Then all the talk about muh freedums vanishes. Whoever's best at organized violence wins, gets to write history, and gets to teach children their ideals.

>ignoring the replies

When the replies are that retarded, they aren't worth the effort of typing.  Here's your (You).
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>>1236
Hey Socialist Jerry! Man, it's been a while. Where have you been since the old Mises forums?
>>1236
>Except for the part where the people it protects pay taxes to it,
It's possible to form a militia without taxes just like how it's possible to have sex without it being rape.

>It's called kin preference, and men are willing to fight and die for it.
If you say so. Nobody is stopping you forming such groups the point is if being born white is a person's biggest achievement then that is guaranteed to be a group full of feckless losers.

>all of that works right up until someone uses force
Then it continues working after the aggressor has been physically removed.

>Whoever's best at organized violence wins
Wins what? You can't eat bullets. The USSR was far better at organized violence than the west but it was such a bad place to live they had to build walls to stop people from running away. Voluntary cooperation always outperforms slavery in the long run.
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>>1242
Dude, read the rest of the thread, he'll just ignore you and claim "victory." You're being played.
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>>1246
That looks like what he's doing!

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