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General thread for board activity.

I'll start.  I found out about a private security firm in Zimbabwe that...has blatant Ancap imagery.
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Can someone give me a qrd on Georgism
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>>962
Mercantalist:  all taxation should be tariffs.
European:  all taxation should be VATs.
Progressive:  all taxation should be income taxation.
Socialist:  all taxation should be wealth taxes.
Georgist:  all taxation should be property taxes.
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It's actually funny how dead all of the political boards all across the internet are now.
Pls suggest substacks.  I'll start:
Armageddon Prose
After Babel
>>1026
Based Georgists
Sorry but in this house we call it "Rhodesia"
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Do you still use physical cash?
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>>1059
Only for femboy hookers
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>>1061
We're gonna need more physical cash in the economy.
>>1059
Everything i have is cash, all i've ever used was cash, i only deal in cash
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>>1067
How many femboys do you have?
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>>1068
He doesn't pay me nearly enough :(
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What does /liberty/ think of the assassination of United Healthcare's CEO?
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Wow.

Americans think that politicians would try to protect freedom more if officials had higher salaries.
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>>1070
Insurance companies only exist because the state outlaws people forming clubs where members each pitch in and the money would be used when a member is hospitalized. This used to be the norm before the state outlawed it, save for a few religious groups.
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>>1072
Don't those exist though?  E.g., CrowdHealth?
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>>1072
based. you are 100% that working mens clubs used to pay for each members health costs
>>1071
I can't imagine what you're arguing with since you're not quoting anyone but it's reasonable to assume that if politicians livelihoods or standards of living depended on them protecting freedom then they would do so.
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>>1085
Not saying it is this, but several years ago there was a bot (or someone autistic and unengaging as one) posting anti-American statements similar to that one without responding to anything in particular.
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>>1086
The bot is also on the Fediverse. It's known as FreedomPatroit and it seems to scrape data from various forums, imageboards, and social media sites then reposts them.
https://merovingian.club/@freepatriot
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p. interesting.
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This is a dumb topic, but does anyone have any tips on how to price in quality?  Like not in a "libertarian geopolitical economics" sense, but in a "personal home economics" sense?

E.g., I got these two pair of undershirts.  One was half the price of the other.  The half-priced ones lasted like a half year before they tore themselves to shreds.  The others have lasted me years.  This example isn't important to me, I'm just using it as something simple to drive the discussion.

The first issue in determining quality is the knowledge asymmetry.  I later learned "why" the other undershirts performed better (the higher priced undershirts had double folded hems, thicker stitching in the shoulders, etc.), but I would've liked to figure out a way to intuit this without needing to have a more intimate knowledge of sewing than the 0 knowledge I had before.  Sewing is not exactly a fascinating topic for me.

It's not just the knowledge asymmetry that's an issue.  I also would've like to have a sense of 'how much' the quality should've impacted the price in my head.  Like if I held up the two garments and thought, "This is twice as much, but will last eight times as long," then I'd immediately have a sense of how to "price in" that quality.  I don't have a way to get a sense of "it will last 8 times as long," though.  Moreover, for a coat you might not care about that (you care about warmth, insulation, rain resistance, etc.).  How do you balance those sorts of things in your personal decisions?

I know "Consumer Reports" is often thrown around in libertarian circles, but have any of you personally read that magazine?  I know UL is another item held up, but there's another knowledge asymmetry that occurs with those sort of professional organization labels:  how do you know about them?  Brand recognition is another way, but in the example I give above, both packages were Hanes.
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>>1073
>Don't those exist though?  E.g., CrowdHealth?
If they are not outright banned they are significantly disadvantaged by regulation and government interference. Private schools exist but you are already forced to pay for state schools with your taxes and that makes it hard for most families to justify the cost of paying of the same thing twice. So even though private schools are vastly superior hardly anybody uses them. Some for heatlhcare in countries with socialized healthcare, why pay twice for the same thing. You can't say no to taxes so the tax subsidized thing wins.

>>1085
>I can't imagine what you're arguing with
First schizo post?

>>1088
>p. interesting.
It's called the Shia Crescent. Iran -> Iraq -> Syria -> Lebanon all have governments friendly with Hezbollah and allow weapons to be shipped from Iran to Hezbollah. Israel doesn't like that. They can't justify another invasion of Iraq and Iran actually has a military who can punch back so overthrowing Assad was the only way to break the chain. That's what the last 10 years of Syria drama has been about.

>>1094
>I know "Consumer Reports" is often thrown around in libertarian circles, but have any of you personally read that magazine?
I assume they mean consumer reports in general. Like ebay and amazon feedback. Many vendors will send a little card with your package that says if you're not happy please talk to us instead of leaving a bad review. They are legit terrified of bad reviews. I would regard that feedback more trustworthy.

If you consult a 3rd party review company you have to make sure they are trading on their reputation like Michelin Stars for restaurants or those pentesting companies that audit VPNs. Their incentive to protect the integrity of their brand needs to be stronger than their incentive to just sell good reviews for money.

>quality
I don't want to be the annoying bitcoin guy but all the quality and shrinkflation bullshit is caused by broken money. The fed keeps printing fiat so $30 in 2020 is worth like $50 in 2024. So the only way for sneakers to be $30 in 2020 and still $30 in 2024 is for the manufacturer to drastically reduce the quality.

It sucks but you have to get into the mindset of "this product cost $30 in 2020 so I need to spend $50 to get the same quality in 2024". For most people $30 == $30 but with fiat you have to factor in the time dimension 2020($30) != 2024($30). There are some exceptions like computers and TVs where technology is advancing faster than fiat is collapsing so you can get more RAM for less money now. But inflation is destroying most other industries.

I like your Hoppe cat
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https://www.reuters.com/legal/lawsuit-accuses-major-food-companies-marketing-addictive-food-kids-2024-12-10/

What do libertarians think of this case?  Two possible libertarian arguments I could think of:
One:
>This is fraud (claiming that UPFs are not carcinogenic for many, many year).
>They're liable for damages due to fraud due to that.
Two:
>You chose to stuff that food down your throat.
>They're not liable
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Is passing gas in a crowded elevator a violation of the NAP even if it was unintentional? What if there was an eldery person and it caused them to go into A-Fib is that considered agression? Granted Paul Hunn's record breaking ass blast from 1972 which was 118 decibels and lasted 2 minutes 42 seconds would surely violate the NAP by destroying the hearing and smell of everyone on the elevator, right?
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>>1115
Nice try, but your mom is not violating the NAP, anon.
>>949 (OP) 
bees are ancaps?
>>1097
>the true value of gold and silver
SWING AND A MISS
Corvettes are not an accurate indicator of value, because the modern corvette uses less man-hours per car than the 1971 version.
Furthermore, Corvettes are designed to meet a specific price point.
A price point high enough to preclude most people from buying one because of it's limited use, but not so high that it precludes the majority of it's target demographic.
This means that less man-hours will be spent on every level of the supply chain for future iterations of the car.
Value fluctuations will therefore be invisible if you use the Corvette.

1971 non-farm federal minimum wage: 1.60
1971 median price of gold spot: 41.50 * 1.2 = 49.8 (retail)
49.8/1.6 = 31.125 man-hours/oz gold

2020 non-farm federal minimum wage: 7.25
2020 median 2020 price of gold spot: 1877.66 * 1.2 = 2253.192 (retail)
2253.192/7.25 = 310.79 man-hours/oz gold

Reasoning:
Gold is used because silver has been highly manipulated by JP Morgan and the entire ETF market, and the demand for silver has and continues to outgrow all supply.
Gold has experienced the same reduction of required man-hours to extract and refine as the Corvette, but recycling has extended the supply and demand hasn't outgrown supply, so it's value has been relatively stable.
20% is on the high end of honest middle-man markup for retail gold. The typical price is 10-50% above spot depending on who you buy from.
Very few people work for minimum wage, but minimum wage gives an easy way to observe how the government views it's subjects.
No normal person will be able to buy wholesale prices for gold because of the security and minimum quantities required.
This does not include taxes (license, insurance, registration, property, income, and now health), which was ~25-35% in 1971, and easily exceeds 60% since 1980.
The inclusion of taxes increases the man-hours necessary per oz gold.
Everything you pay to the government without a direct product or service is a tax.

The interesting thing is that this calculation is reinforced by what college educated women perceive to be the minimum income necessary to live a comfortable life.
The same can be said about congressional salaries.

Everyone is getting fucked but nobody has taken the time to figure out how badly they're getting reamed by kikes fiddling with money.
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Would corporations exist in anarchocapitalism?
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>>1115
Based and Brownpilled
What is the libertarian solution to the foreign workers problem?
>>1125
There is none. Border walls violate the NAP.
>>1125
Watch companies staffed solely by DEI hires and pajeets go broke.
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>>1127
c.f. Boeing
Who do you think was the most evil person in history?
Hitler?
Stalin?
Mao?
Genghis Khan?
Napoleon?
Bush?
Mengele?
Shirō Ishii?
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>>1129
>Hitler
>Napoleon
Lol.

Obviously, the j*wish scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, that wielded their political power to have Jesus murdered. Even the Romans themselves repented when they saw Him on the cross.

<--->

But lest any of us get too smug, remember we each are deserving of eternal hellfire destruction. Yes, this means 'you', Anon. Repent today -- what better season!? Cheers.  :^)
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>>1130
Hi, nice of you to drop into /liberty/ from the webring.  For you:
>Pontius Pilate
>Soros
>Rothschild
>Herbert Marcuse
>Magnus Hirschfeld
Or do you have a particular one?

FWIW, Hitler and Napoleon both tried to conquer and subjugate all of Europe.  So--you know what, fuck it, I'mma make a tier list, give me some time...
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I'm not thinking this through too hard on ethics or making things comprehensive and am mainly just shitposting here.

S tier - You killed a massive amount of the population and you did a sizeable amount with your own two hands.
Genghis Khan

A tier - Normie genociders who hid behind bureaucracy.
Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Yahya, Talaat

B tier - You didn't hide behind bureaucracy and did some fucked up shit.
Beria, Mengele, Isso, Dahmer, Che, Light

C tier - You were megalomaniacal.
Woodrow, Napoleon, Ledouche, Alexander, Caesar

D tier - Babby's first war crime.
Bush, Tanya, Bibi
>>1131
>Hitler and Napoleon both tried to conquer and subjugate all of Europe.
Would they had succeeded.
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>>1125
In all seriousness to the recent brouhaha, I kind of have to separate my personal feelings from the economic/ethical analysis here.  Personally, I hate it.  I'm one of the picrel.
Separating my personal emotions/feelings on the matter, though, H1Bs are such a drop in the bucket compared to immigration as a whole.  91k/year can come into the country with H1Bs, and the number of illegal immigrants are in the...what...tens of millions?  If the trade is Tom Homan hiring Hoppe Physical Removal (tm) services of the nearly ten million illegal for 90k -> 100k/year H1Bs, then fine.
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>>1135
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>>1137
>picrel
It's a lot more than 11 million. It has to be nearly 80 million by now.
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>>1138
I was trying to strongman the argument by choosing the lower bound, but going by electoral data, you're probably right.
I thought I'd pass along some dystopian stuff an Iowan friend of mine saw:

https://youtu.be/0bWKwV9OHxI
>>1110
Your link is full of JS cancer.

>This is fraud (claiming that UPFs are not carcinogenic for many, many year).
If a product makes you sick in an unexpected way then sue the vendor for damages (medical bills, lost income etc.)

>You chose to stuff that food down your throat.
If you choose to consume sugar or fentanyl then the risks are yours to bear. I guess the difference is that breakfast cereal is not supposed to give you cancer though. 

>>1118
>Corvettes are not an accurate indicator of value, because the modern corvette uses less man-hours per car than the 1971 version.
Which is reflected by the gold and silver prices going down. Only the dollar price went up because that's how much value paper money lost in the intervening time.

>Furthermore, Corvettes are designed to meet a specific price point. A price point high enough to preclude most people from buying one because of it's limited use
They are literally made of plastic. $70,000 is nothing for a modern car. They're not a status symbol like Ferraris they are supposed to be cheap and fast to compete with other fast/cheap american junk like Mustangs and Chargers.

>Value fluctuations will therefore be invisible if you use the Corvette.
Except the graphic you're responding to is not invisible.

>49.8/1.6 = 31.125 man-hours/oz gold
>2253.192/7.25 = 310.79 man-hours/oz gold
The more fiat they print the less value it has and they can't print gold or silver out of thin air. It's not complicated.

>muh joooooos
I don't give a fuck who it is. If central bankers are not jews I'm still going to throw them out of a helicopter.

>>1120
>Would corporations exist in anarchocapitalism?
Corporations are a legal fiction created and protected by government,

>>1125
>What is the libertarian solution to the foreign workers problem?
What problem? Illegal workers only have an advantage over you because they don't pay taxes. The libertarian solution is for you to not pay taxes either.

>>1127
>Watch companies staffed solely by DEI hires and pajeets go broke.
Exactly.
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>>1156
>Illegal workers only have an advantage over you because they don't pay taxes.
H1B workers aren't illegal workers.
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>>1157
How does what you say counter what >>1156 said?  There are something like 11 million (lower end estimates I've seen) illegal immigrants acting as foreign workers in the U.S..  H1Bs are like 100k.  It makes sense that >>1156 is not talking about H1Bs.
If things can get so bad in Argentina that they elect Milei, I wonder if the fires in California have finally made things so bad there that they might start changing their minds.
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>>1157
>H1B workers aren't illegal workers.
Well the only advantage H1B workers have over you is that they're better at their jobs so stop being a whiny socialist and git good.

>>1161
Would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.
>>1161
BlackRock quits 'Net Zero' initiative at perfect time as woke policies contribute to devastating LA fires

BlackRock’s timing couldn’t be better: It literally exited a weird, self-serving and futile environmental virtue signaling coalition of companies, sponsored by the unctuous bureaucrats at the United Nations no less, as Los Angeles was being burned to the ground because of woke climate policies.

Corporate leaders are getting the memo, while progressives are left to sift through the ashes.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/business/blackrock-quits-net-zero-initiative-at-perfect-time-as-woke-policies-contribute-to-devastating-la-fires/
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>>1163
Based Blackrock
>>1163
>as Los Angeles was being burned to the ground because of woke climate policies
This is new to me.  I've heard the opposite argument, that "LA burned because we weren't following woke climate policies _enough_," but how does the opposite argument work?
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>>1163
>BlackRock quits 'Net Zero' initiative at perfect time as woke policies contribute to devastating LA fires
That makes me suspicious. The only reason they would back off is because they have a plan to get what they want another way. Assuming any of this is true and controlled opposition isn't just making shit up as usual.
>>1157
They only work harder because THE STATE will kick them out of the country if they don't do their job right. If it weren't for the state, they would probably have the same work ethic as everyone else.
I don't really get the DOGE thing.  SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are so huge at this point that you could cut p much everything else and still have massive deficits.  So, wtf is really the goal here?

On that topic, I don't understand the optimism in the U.S..  The gov has to go bankrupt p soon.
Would something like Ford vs Dodge apply to a libertarian society?
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>>1165
Incompetence in diversity hire/promotions, and by refusing to do controlled cuts of the forests "for the environment".
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Any thoughts on the bevy of Trump EOs today?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_orders_in_the_second_presidency_of_Donald_Trump
>>1173
Ah.
>>1172
What does this question even mean?  Like are you asking "Would Ford and Dodge exist in a libertarian society?"
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>>1174
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
Idiot.
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Has anyone else made the joke that Trump technically did pardon Ross on "day 1," because computer scientists count from 0?
>>1175
You know, >>1170 has a point.  Good luck getting an answer to your question.
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>>1177
>Has anyone else made the joke that Trump technically did pardon Ross on "day 1," because computer scientists count from 0?
No.
That's all I wanted to say.
We did it, he's free.
Is this REALLY going to be a declassification of JFK/MLK? Or is it just going to be pages covered in black again?
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>>1179
Trump just tweeted that the MLK declassification will be translated into ebonics to show solidarity with his yuge black supporter numbers.
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