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I'm just curious how anyone here could make the case that the US was ever freer than ancient rome especially when looking at the USA. Having local laws on top of federal laws just leads to tyranny as a lot of local laws end up contradicting or eradicating constitutional rights (which are supposed to be guaranteed). In ancient rome, you could believe what you wanted to believe as long as it wasn't disruptive/destructive to society. America from the very onset did not allow you to believe what you wanted to believe. All US states had a law against homosexuality at one point and if your religious views allowed sodomy, then you have been stripped of your supposed right of religious freedom. The US has never been a free country and modern day America is proof of how much of a failure it is at being a free country. State laws being piled on top of federal laws only makes it so that people are always committing crimes even if those crimes are totally harmless. People should not have to look into laws from county to county and state to state just to see what they are allowed to do
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>>251
>Local states have done virtually nothing against the federal government infringing on their rights in America.
Drugs, abortion, guns, pick one. Any combination of issues has been pushed at the federal level and resisted by some state or another.

>None of the "distributed power structures" have done anything significant against the federal government 
Not since the civil war no.

>The federal government has ultimate authority of what is allowed to happen state to state
Yes but your influence on the federal government is microscopic. The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.

>Modern day America is tyrannical and you'd still have to do something to this affect to make any meaningful difference.
You just need a state to succeed from the union without triggering another civil war. Texas seems to be the most likely.
https://mises.org/library/common-sense-case-independent-texas

>>252
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>>253
>Everything in the US is taxed, such that the lowest tax you'll pay is 60%.
The modern state doesn't live on taxes. They print money through the central bank and just give it to themselves. The point of taxes is to control inflation by removing the excess money from the economy after the important people have already spent it.

>Ancient Rome before the collapse had a tax of 1 day's work out of the entire year.
I don't know much about ancient rome but I'm pretty sure they debased their currency to the point of worthlessness at some point near the end.
>>257
>The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.
Authoritarians always assume that "their guy" will be in charge. You'd be a fucking retard if you helped build a totalitarian superstate if you thought there was any chance that some violent psychopath could take it over and use it against you.
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>>259
You're an idiot lol
>>234 (OP) 
The fundamental principle of liberty is the limitation of government. The state, when it exceeds its proper function, becomes a force of oppression rather than a protector of freedom. The United States, despite its foundation on constitutional rights, has drifted towards interventionism, where laws, layered by federal and local governments, shackle individuals rather than safeguard their liberties.

Rome, in its republican and early imperial periods, operated under a legal framework where personal beliefs were not regulated unless they threatened public order. Compare this with the United States, where laws have been historically weaponized against certain personal freedoms, contradicting the very essence of liberalism.

True liberty requires a system where property rights and voluntary exchange are respected above all else. Government should not dictate morality, nor should legal codes contradict one another to entrap individuals in a maze of bureaucratic tyranny. If the states contradict the federal principles of freedom, the system is flawed, as arbitrary governance undermines the fundamental principles of classical liberalism.

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>You didn't build that.
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>>1159 (OP) 
In the grand arena where minds collide,  
The libertarian stood, filled with pride.  
Freedom his banner, markets his sword—  
Against the fascist, his voice roared.  

But the fascist, cold and sharp as steel,  
Spun his rhetoric with ruthless zeal.  
Facts like shackles, tightened tight,  
His opponent faltered in the fight.  

Words turned weapons, logic a trap,  
The libertarian stammered, caught in the gap.  
His ankles grabbed, his cheeks were clapped,  
A brutal defeat, his pride untapped.
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>>1364
idk, sounds kinda Jewish.
In the context of India's linguistic diversity, how might a libertarian approach to language policy fare against a fascist, centralized language policy? Would the freedom to choose one's language of instruction, administration, and communication prevail, or would a forced, unified language policy dominate?
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Well now, step right up, see the grand parade of tongues—libertarian whispers crawling through the streets like stray dogs, and the fascist boot stamping out syllables like cigarettes on a bar floor. India, a seething linguistic jungle, where words twist like opium smoke and histories collide in the bloodstained bureaucratic ink.

Libertarian language policy? A roulette wheel spun by the people, words loose, free to evolve like gutter slang or highborn verse. Choose your own dialect, script, sound—no central master puppeteering their tongues. It’s chaos, sure, but there’s rhythm to it, a jazz band of a thousand voices riffing off history.

Now, the fascist—oh, he loves a tidy narrative. He wants a singular tongue, disciplined and marching in lockstep, a tongue that cuts and flays and binds a nation in syllabic chains. Efficiency, he whispers, unity, strength—but what’s unity without friction? What’s strength without resistance? A dull blade.

The battle? It rages beneath flickering neon signs and ancient temple stones. Will the street slang win out, soaking into the bones of a billion souls, or will the bureaucratic hammer mold them into a singular steel mold? The verdict’s still out, baby. History’s watching, smoking a cigarette in the alleyway, waiting to see which way the dice roll.
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>>1367
>>1368
Stop ChatGPTposting

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Aren't libertarians in a key position to co-opt all the Boomer hate going on?
- Social security and medicare are a HUGE and OBVIOUS direct wealth transfers from young people to old people.
- Why is medical care so awful? Fucking old people's medical regulations.
- Who makes all the NIMBY laws to fuck over private property rights to keep home prices up: old people.
Like you can just go down the list blaming every absolutely terrible government intervention on Boomers. You can easily make the narrative of, "They destroyed the future when they were young, and now that they're old they're going to continue to do so."
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>>1319 (OP) 
Populism has too much emphasis right now. If Trump doesn't get his head out of Israel's ass soon and starts shit with Iran, then I could see another Libertarian upswing.
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>>1320
Only Boomers support Israel.
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>>1321
Tell that to everyone else who voted Trump in. Whether they support Israel or not, a vote for Trump was a vote for Israel. I just think that an escalation with Iran with bring out the antiwar crowd which has large numbers on both the right and left, which could bring another resurgence in Libertarianism that we haven't seen since Iraq/Afghaniatan fiasco.
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>>1323
It looks like all age groups trending together except on housing, Canada, and Trump. A weird trio, but our timeline has really been off the rails since the Kennedy assassination.

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Have any of the cryptoanarchists thought up any solutions to the problem of fedposting?

Specifically the following playbook:
>Forum with actual freeze peach.
>Feds want to shut it down.
>Feds post cp on it.
>Feds claim, "You're hosting cp."
>No way to show that they've been framed.
>"Give us backend access to spam it the fuck with fedposting bots, or get shut down."
>Those that don't have a tor site get shut down.
>Those that do have a tor site, "Fuck off, we're resistant to censorship."
>Feds spam the everloving fuck out of the board--usually with cp anyways
>Have to put up a captcha.
>"Give us backend access or we shut down the captcha provider :)."
>Only freeze peach forums left are those with like 3 users who post every few months.
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also why the mafia had 'muder incoroporated'. Mafia killing mafia.
>>1329
>Occam's Razor here makes me think it's the feds.
ITT we don't understand Occam's Razor.
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>>759
>old Usenet cryptoanarchist posts
How old?
>I wonder how those visionaries would've responded.
Bringing that up because at the height of ye olde newsgroup days there were still jurisdictions where even overtly publishing such things in print and video existed in a legal gray area or was not being prosecuted. Those old visionaries probably assumed that would remain the case and they would have the option of hosting in such places without having to worry about potential legal repercussions from false flag attacks.
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>>1335
>jurisdictions where even overtly publishing such things in print and video existed in a legal gray area or was not being prosecuted.
The cyphernomicon book would've been banned in some jurisdictions in the 90s?
>>1334
Apparently I don't. Mind explaining yourself?

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>Cost of living crisis hits its stride
>Continues for another decade.
>Youth milestones for billions "on hold."
>No family formation, no household ownership, no roommateless apartments, no independent living, jobs cover staples and nothing else.
>Many continue out of hope of "Will get promoted" or literally winning the lottery.
>Economic Depression hits.
>Hundreds of millions across the world lose their employment.
>Suicide rate increases slightly.
>People see the trends, and hopelessness increases exponentially.
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
>A literal death spiral emerges.
>One day someone snaps, and suggests a mass suicide day.
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
>You could never stop it.
>Hundreds of millions off themselves on a single day.
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>>1309 (OP) 
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
That's when this prediction falls apart. If anything more people will hold out on the hopes of others killing themselves.
>>1309 (OP) 
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
Oh no muh labor supply. Labor is so irrelevant to the western economy that nobody is even lobbying against higher minimum wages. Try reading an economics book from this century.

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Smoot-Hawley 2.0: Electric Boogaloo?
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>>1266
>big line goes down
>big infographic goes red
and many p/e ratios are still crazy
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>>1271
He should be extra trolly and call it "The Second Boston Tea Party."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61nO1LQ3Hg
One thing that the tariffs have made apparent to me is how protectionist tariffs never actually went away. It just got hidden in regulatory compliance and fines, and that’s a perfectly O.K. form of tariff by the literati, and nobody ever talks about them.

Why did libertarianism die so fucking hard since '08?
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>>1248
I like the early 2000s as much as anyone else but Ron Paul's peak was objectively around the late 2000s. That was his run for president.
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>>1274
O.k., it should say:
>The early 2000s when there were a shitton of libertarians on the internet and it felt like by late 2000s Ron Paul and the Mises Institute were king. 
Does that correction really mean that much? What's your point?
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>>1263
It would be great to see it more active again. I have always thought that a decentralized monarchy with a feudal structure, mixed with some Distributism and a dash of Georgism, would be a nice flavor.
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>>1279
If we were going to make a zzz/monarchy/ might want to do so quick seeing as cuckchanners are infesting moe due to the recent hack. Make a /his/ while you're at it too please!
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>>1302
Probably more fruitful to ask here: >>>/meta/137

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Let me start off by saying:
- I know about Shadow Stats. I know about libertarian statistics alternatives. I have my issues with those, but I'm not going to bring them up here, and I hope you understand by reading this that that is not what I'm talking about.
- I know about how poor government statistics are. So, while this post may be of the same kind, I'm talking of a completely different degree. In my experience, it's always been bad, but not THIS bad.
With that said...
Price statistics have been getting really, REALLY bad recently. Yes, it was 'bad' before, but it's getting to a different level now, and I'm surprised there aren't more outlets talking about it. From what I can see, this includes pricing statistics both over the past few years, but ESPECIALLY across cities. The cost of living calculations being brought up by the various federal bureaus is really going off the rails.
My mother lives in Florida like every other old person in existence, and I live in what the government calls "flyover country." If I look up on a federal website what the cost of living difference is in--say--food, it says it's even. When I call up my mother about the price of eggs, she tells me in all the grocery stores in Florida it's at least 3x my price. Onions are 2x. Like this isn't "Oh, we're off by a couple % or even we're off by 30%." Most of these food prices are orders of MAGNITUDE off. Like they're WAY off. If I compare rent prices, cost of living calculator says it's 10% less w
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>>1023
>she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.”
She is a retard. Obviously it's about legal liability. You can't drink 1 month old milk and then sue the milk company for selling a faulty product because they clearly labeled what date the product should no longer be considered safe.

>The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.
What kind of retard throws out expired food and then runs out to buy the same food again? If you didn't eat it in time then clearly it's something you didn't really want in the first place.

>victims of capitalism
You're free to make your own judgment instead of blindly following the label. You're not a victim of capitalism you are a victim of your own stupidity.
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>Little Prince
Based
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>>406
Personally I've come from reading about the nutrition and health field where regulatory capture is remarkably blatant dating back to the founding of the American heart association by proctor and gamble, which has pushed the idea for around 70 years that animal fats are harmful and cause obesity and heart disease.while their margarines are "harmless" or even "heart healthy".Cults like 7th day adventists pushing their religiously inspired dietry codes as good for you when they own some of the largest cereal companies on the planet and actively manipulate the dietry standards applied globally by governments.
Where drugs liker statins sommehow became a wonder drug hoping to be prescribed to everyone to save them from the dreaded cholesterol. Where using epidemiological food choice questionaires is apparently considered the standard for evidence after all other rivals were chased out or had their actually results based data founded on athletes and child growth rates defunded.
I can only imagine how bad the state is in other fields

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Bad move IMO. The people who support Trump will think he is a weasel and the people who hate both candidates think he's cucked. He would have been better off saying nothing at all.
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>>1007 (OP) 
How can a libertarian support someone known for saying "You're fired!" who never fired Fauci?
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This thread aged well.
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>>1244
I thought I was having deja vu. I guess everyone forgot trump already came after massie before.
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>>1251
This time he'll be coming after Massie's Senate run, though.

Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
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>>1252
>Imagine Rand+Massie tagteaming filibusters in the Senate.
I can only get so hard.

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