/liberty/ - Austro-Libertarianism

...mod, come on.  Did you delete a bunch of posts again?  :|

There once was a libertarian so bold,
Who claimed the free market was gold,
But then found one day,
Without roads to pave the way,
His ideas left him out in the cold.

>>1209
Did you ask an AI to make a limerick against libertarianism?

You know, this has got me thinking about what I'd call "form letter libertarianism." One of the problems _I_ see with libertarianism is--and I know this sounds incredibly conceited, but let me finish--the fact that it has an answer for everything.
>Minimum wage
<"Why $20/hr, why not $100/hr?"
>Ethics
<"If you did not agree with self-ownership, you would not be able to make that argument, so you are contradicting yourself."
>Who will build the roads?
<PRAs
>But what about the warlords?
<Private ancap security forces
It's gotten to the point where it's a fucking form letter. I swear you could make a simple Javascript site where you click a dropdown list of all the common arguments against libertarianism, and it populates a textbox below with the response to copy paste.
I've been in debates w/libertarians that feel like they're using a program like that. Where the libertarians are just block-quoting Rothbard or simply dropping a link to a mises.org/fee article and walking away. On the one hand, I understand it. It's this sensation of, "How many times do I have to repeat t

Interesting findings: 

Seeing Ron Paul/Mises/libertarian forums begin to criticize the GOP a lot more and now Vance is seen as a Thiel pick. I think we're coming back, bros. 

https://mises.org/mises-wire/republicans-declare-war-american-economy

>>736
Fuck off with your whataboutism tuquoque fallacy bullshit.

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>>732
>Their skills (lying and manipulating people) have no relevance in the free market
It's called "marketing."  It must be good because it has "market" right there in the name.

>>724
This aged well.  Sorry your girl lost.

>>1200
I'm glad they ignored the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 and instead Milei's advice and Musk's drive involved instead.

>>1063
Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Globohomo.

>>1063
>https://en.liberpedia.org/%E2%80%9CMises%E2%80%9D_Caucus
>The “Mises” Caucus is a PAC of the “Libertarian” Party which it took over in May 2022 [2]. It is not a caucus but a PAC, and it is neither libertarian nor related to Ludwig von Mises in any way. It is more accurately described as the “Hoppe Caucus” or the “Misnamed Caucus”. It is anti-libertarian, not libertarian. 
Fuck off and take your gay wiki with you.

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North Korean leader Kim Jong Un hailed Vladimir Putin as his "dearest friend" in a New Year's letter to the Russian leader praising close bilateral ties, state media said on Tuesday.

The two countries have deepened political, military and cultural ties since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, with Putin and Kim repeatedly professing their personal closeness.

Moscow and Pyongyang signed a landmark defense pact during Putin's visit to the isolated North in June. The pact obligates them to provide immediate military assistance if the other is invaded and came into effect this month.

Kim's latest message described Putin as his "dearest friend and comrade," the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.

The North's leader sent "warm greetings of best wishes to the fraternal Russian people and all the service personnel of the brave Russian army on behalf of himself, the Korean people and all the service personnel of the armed forces of the DPRK," it said, using an acronym of the North's formal name.

Kim also expressed "his willingness to design and push ahead with new projects" after their "meaningful journey in 2024."

In a possible reference to the war in Ukraine, Kim also hoped that 2025 would be the year "when the Russian army and people defeat neo-Nazism and achieve a great victory."

How tf have the meme responses not been posted yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taTXqTdYYUY

Big centralized unrestricted state. The state is sacred.
Private is bad, state owned is good.
Self-ownership is bad. Everyone belongs to the state.
Free market is bad. Everything must be regulated by the state.

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There's a pretty cool movie about greed

>>1142 (OP) 
Okay, I rewatched the 1972 cartoon because I was genuinely curious about this.
I noticed that it made a point that Once-ler Onceler exclusively or almost exclusively hired Oncelers for his Thneed business. It says at first that he hired his "family" which seemed to be a dozen with change at the very most. But then there are hundreds of them working the factories.
It seems like Oncelers are not human. They all have hidden faces and wear weird green jumpsuits. We clearly see the boy at the beginning of the story who looks like a normal human (by Seuss standards) so the story is clearly making an effort to differentiate them.
It's established that every Onceler is a motherfucker. In the establishing scene for the other Oncelers they're casually throwing garbage along the sides of the road while driving to Grickle Grass. Once-ler Onceler was also either unaware that the trees were exhaustible or in  complete denial about it because he was still blowing smoke about expanding while his tree cutters were just about done clearing out the forest. I think that the point is that Oncelers as a species have zero foresight about anything, like in a fantasy setting where every dwarf hungers for gold, or every elf is a tree hugger.
On a side tangent, I imagine Oncelers have no chin and look like Pac-Man ghosts from the neck up, or have the Ku Klux Klan hoods or something.
This may have been a c

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>>1146
>>The Lorax is used as the quintessential fairytale to attack greed
>Is it? 
Yes, of course.
>On a side tangent, I imagine Oncelers have no chin and look like Pac-Man ghosts from the neck up, or have the Ku Klux Klan hoods or something.
I think it more simply comes out of the spate of hacky movies and T.V. shows that never show the villain's face.
>I haven't watch the Illumination movie because I'm not a fujoshit.
lol
I have to tell you:  it's really bad. Like the propaganda is so fucking over-the-top that you'll cringe so hard you won't need a colonoscopy when you're older.
>Or maybe the cartoon was a bad adaptation. I don't know. Send me a PDF of the book and I'll tell you if I get a different message out of it.
Yeah, if you read any of the author of The Lorax' words about it, I'm p. sure he was just going 12304% watermelon environmentalist about it.

>>1149
Shame. I thought that the cartoon was surprisingly nuanced for it's message and presentation.
For instance, on my first viewing I thought that Once-ler's "if I don't do it, someone else will" line was his way to dodge accountability. Now I realize that he was true in a literal sense: any other Onceler likely would have gone down the exact same path that he did in his situation, he was just the one who found the trees first.

Make college illegal for women:
>Reduced economic friction between the sexes.  The economic dependency models between the sexes is restored.  The male dating crisis is resolved.
>Fertility rates are negatively correlated with female education levels.  Therefore, the demographic crisis is abated.
>Extra 4 years propaganda for half the population: gone.  The amount of female socialist ideology would be decreased dramatically.
We'll see whether this is true or not over the next few years in Afghanistan, since they're the only country who has done this.

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>>488 (OP) 
Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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>>488 (OP) 

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>>1076
Divorce law needs to be brought up more frequently every time there's a discussion on fertility rates.  There needs to be a site like wtfhappenedin1971.com only with how terrible things have gotten to males w.r.t. divorces.
Also, the statistics of outcomes of individuals that grew up in single-mother households needs to be brought up more, too.

>>488 (OP) 
This video really makes me believe in the "empathy blocking" theory regarding female political opinions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzstEpSeuwU
Giving women suffrage really has destroyed the West.

>>1102 (OP) 
OP has been spamming threads for this entire past year about his weird interpretation of libertarianism. He also posted about imperialism being good. He's the 'faschizo'

>>1104
 Non-adults should have FULL NAP rights?
Like babies being able to work?

>>1108
How would you have a country unless you take land and defend it? right now there isnt much unclaimed land around.

>>1109
Imperialism isn't libertarian.

>>1109
>How would you have a country unless you take land and defend it? right now there isnt much unclaimed land around.
You're broken, man.

>>1109
>Non-adults should have FULL NAP rights?
>Like babies being able to work?
What do you think the non-aggression principle is? Of course you can't punch children and steal their stuff just because they're not adults.

"Able to work"? the real question is who are you stop them doing what they want to do with their bodies.

>How would you have a country unless you take land and defend it?
Most people already have land or the ability to buy some in a voluntary free market trade the problem is getting the government to fuck off and leave you alone.

>right now there isnt much unclaimed land around
You can't just "claim" land. For something natural to become your property you need to transform it in some way with your labor (homesteading). Most of what the government considers their property does not legitimately belong to them in a natural rights sense.

>>1108
Just because historyfriend is a fascist and a schizo and a tranny doesn't mean we don't love him.

>>920
I'm in my 20s. I just don't care for "Youtubers" when it comes to serious topics. I don't care about fitting in with 'my peers'.

LiquidZulu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHA3KLL7Ho

>>1075
p. small channel, huh.
>>913
>Tom Woods
Why do the Mises Institute, Tom Woods, and Michael Malice all have that same hard metal intro?
>Ron Paul Liberty Report
Man, I like his content, and I know this is rude, but I'm sorry I just can't stand that slow 90-year-old speaking pace.
>>910
Is it the Chinese cartoons?

This is kind of old now, but it's a bunch of oldfag cypherpunks having a good roundtable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlqOmAOqEmk
Just the one ep.

>>1105
>I know this is rude, but I'm sorry 
I know what you mean. He used to be a competent public speaker. It can be hard to watch time take it's toll like that.

>>934 (OP) 
>How did we go from everyone agreeing that guilds are a bad idea to just calling it "occupational licensing" and everyone protecting the idea?
Flip the chessboard around. You are a politician or bureaucrat, if you let the guild exist then you get a steady stream of votes, taxes and bribes. If you abolish the guild then you get ... nothing. Regulated professional bodies and occupational licensing is just an extension of the state getting too big and getting manipulated for private gain.

As for the people, it's just an extension of the nanny state
>we can't just let anybody be a doctor we have to make sure they are "qualified" it's for your own safety
>we can't just let anybody be a dentist we have to make sure they are "qualified" it's for your own safety
>we can't just let anybody be a hair stylist we have to make sure they are "qualified" it's for your own safety
You're talking about people who wore a paper mask and rubbed their groceries with hand sanitizer a few years ago. Disgenics is at a point where a significant number of people are too helpless to oppose the dominant narrative on anything.

>>941
>we can't just let anybody be a doctor we have to make sure they are "qualified" it's for your own safety
A licensed doctor removed an Alabama man’s liver instead of the spleen, resulting in “immediate and catastrophic death,” https://nypost.com/2024/09/29/us-news/florida-doctor-thomas-j-shakvovksy-has-license-suspended-after-removing-liver-from-william-bryan/

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>>691
>victims of capitalism
When I first realized that date labeling wasn’t linked directly to scientifically backed safety standards but to a more subjective, voluntary, and nebulous standard of “freshness,” I wondered if it was … well, kind of a scam. After all, customers don’t benefit from throwing out foods; grocers lose money; farmers miss out on possible sources of revenue. The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.

I asked Emily Broad Leib, the director of the Harvard Law School Food and Policy Clinic and lead author of the 2013 study, about this. She laughed and said I’m not the only one to wonder if we’re just getting played.

But, she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.” The methods by which they determine that date can vary; a big manufacturer might run a focus group with consumers to determine the date, while a small producer may just hazard a guesstimate. But importantly, the freshness date almost never corresponds to the food’s safety — to whether or not it could make you sick.

Suppose you buy a particular brand of yogurt, 

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>>1023
>she said, manufacturers would say “there is a legitimate reason on their part, which is that they want you to eat things when they taste the absolute best.”
She is a retard. Obviously it's about legal liability. You can't drink 1 month old milk and then sue the milk company for selling a faulty product because they clearly labeled what date the product should no longer be considered safe.

>The only people who could benefit are the producers, and I could imagine an unscrupulous manufacturer shortening the date on their food so that people will sigh, throw out a half-eaten package that has “expired,” and go buy some more.
What kind of retard throws out expired food and then runs out to buy the same food again? If you didn't eat it in time then clearly it's something you didn't really want in the first place.

>victims of capitalism
You're free to make your own judgment instead of blindly following the label. You're not a victim of capitalism you are a victim of your own stupidity.

>>852
>Little Prince
Based

Friendly reminder that far-right don't hate the socialist state, they hate freedom:

>>>/b/220572
>Slavery was actually *mutually* beneficial. It's well known that niggers and indians are uncivilized; Niggers aggressive and violent, indians stubborn and self-centered. When we brought them to America, they were spared a life of hardship in undeveloped, harsh, wild lands filled with warlords and bandits. They instead got to live a comfy life with guaranteed pay for life in farm fields, homesteads, etc.

>>937
>one person on /b/ said that slavery benefited niggers therefore the entire far-right hates freedom and loves communism
Incredible, you truly are an intellectual heavyweight.

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>>928
>conservatives yes, nationalists, hell no.
Nationalism is certainly better than globalism. But if it's a choice between breaking things up further or remaining a "united" nation that's when we need to leave the nationalists.

>>738 (OP) 
>constant compromise with authoritarianism simply doesn't work
Both sides are authoritarian. The point you're missing is that one side is significantly more powerful than the other at the moment. That's why it makes sense to support the weaker side the balance things out.

>>939
Without an ethnostate "muh freedums" can't exist.

>>1078
>Without an ethnostate "muh freedums" can't exist.
Race is just a heuristic. I would rather live with a 110 IQ black person than a 80 IQ white person. If we filter all the high IQ, low time preference people who are capable of self governance into a single geographic area there will be large racial disparities but it won't be an ethnostate.