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Howdy fellow autists (auatrians)! Dont normally post in liberty boards but this one seems nice and has some non-retarded people so ill give it a shot.

Let's stop infighting and making the same theoretical arguments over and over again and discuss something new. There is enough theory already! Let us discuss ancap praxis; how should freedom best be achieved...

The greatest failure of modern lolbertarianism has been its utter lack of any practical means to establiah freedom. Rothbard himself had lots of failed aliances, Hoppe had a few, Rand was Rand. Now everything has stagnated and all iq has been deposited into intellectual boomer circlejerks in Mises Institute and the PFS, who's only purpose is to ejaculate this autismo economics onto young impressionable college students. They have never even heard of Monero! All the cool edgy kids now read Moldbug instead.

What we want is one single free community! Afterwards land can be purchased from neighbouring states, thats not a big concern after sovergnty is established. But how has libertarianism existed for this long without a single successful experiment? 69 years after the communisy manifesto we got the bolshevik revolution. Its been 50 years since For a New Liberty, and what have we got to show for it? Free state project and the crypto grifters and larpers in liberland? When Brazil is driving the movement, you know its bad.

Here is my promt for a productive discussion: what are in your opinion the most feasable strategies for liberty in our lifetime? The aim is for a stable and ultraconservative, homogeneous community, with posibility for future territorial expansion. No retarded larps of liberland or seasteading or mars or muh online communities. I will list some good and bad strategies for you to rank. Motivate your rankings!

National libertarian party politics
Cryptoanarchy
Gun proliferation
Ghost guns
Digital freedom/copyleft movement
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>>379
>I would recommend not to focus too hard on racial autism or neocon values.
Collectivism is brain damage but I'm not opposed to building bridges. If racialists want to live in a one-race community then freedom and property rights is an effective way of achieving that goal. They don't have to be our enemies. Most people are only our enemies because we're being forced to live under the same government.

>>382
>How ICE became a $2.8b domestic surveillance agency
That's an argument for why government doesn't work not why borders don't work.

>>378
>Ethonocentrism and liberty are not at odds in principle
Racism and the free market can go either way. Unjustified discrimination is going to cost you because competitors who don't give a fuck what color their customers are will rake in more business. On the other hand justified discrimination is rewarded, for example if most people of a certain race really are broke low IQ violent thugs then refusing to let them on your property would make you better off than the refugees welcome guy who gets robbed raped and killed.
If you want to spend your time productively, work out how the globalist letches got there in the first place and then put protections in place to further keep them out henceforth. Nothing has been worse for our society. As far as England and the English-speaking people goes, this payment in suffering that we're having to pay is worse than when we ourselves arrived on the boats to exploit the weak naivety of the Romano-Briton Vortigern. The blood over our hands is worse than our tumultuous founding was pre-Middle Ages.

Liberty will mean the ejection of the globalist class and their enablers. Do it with a vote, do it with a putsch, nobody cares at this point any more.
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>>389
>work out how the globalist letches got there in the first place
They control the money printers. It's as simple as that. But if you try to take your country off their fake paper standard and onto a gold standard you will get democracy'ed a la Iraq and Libya.
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>>390
If the plan is to get the fish in the tank to eat each other, this being somehow more profitable than peacetime is, then it's going to be difficult in countries which still have some holdout whites left in them, since such people are more likely to notice the man with the bucket pouring the vipers into the house and go for that man instead of just the snakes he's been bringing in.

In any case we're due some fighting and some upheaving. If robots aren't available to do the job then the third-worlders aren't going to cut it, since they are disloyal and inefficient.
>>102 (OP) 
National Libertarianism is goofy and Cuckbug is retarded.

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Look at the seethe in the comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMXW7rq7vA

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Why the fuck aren't we talking about this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfcd0gWNIog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdDwUyAf84
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nO9e1ZkYex0
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>>282 (OP) 
>Why the fuck aren't we talking about this guy?
What's to say? He talks a good talk now lets watch him walk.
>What's to say?
Funny memes, good 'best of' moments, etc..  Just to have two seconds to revel, because I feel like libertarians don't get that a lot.
>>282 (OP) 
Hoppe raped this guy

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I've been reading a lot about the Black Plague recently, and have been chilled by how much better things got after the Plague hit.  Labor saving devices.  Increased productivity.  The beginnings of the industrial revolution  Better working conditions.  Better civil liberties.  It's enough to give me pause for Malthus.

What would happen if millions of people stuck in poverty and debt today all committed mass suicide on the same day?  Would there be any sort of 'shock effect' caused by such a bizarre protest of human condition?

Given the collapse of demographics going on, why isn't that priced into labor markets?  Surely, businesses must see that human population is going to drop off a cliff in the next few decades.  E.g., in places like Japan and South Korea especially it's going to completely and utterly fucking collapse.
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>>675 (OP) 
>Given the collapse of demographics going on, why isn't that priced into labor markets?
Labor and manufacturing are completely irrelevant to western economies. We print magic pieces of paper that are backed by nothing and use them to scam brown and yellow people into making everything for us. The problem with printing money is that every time you do it the money becomes worth less and eventually everyone gets crushed by runaway inflation. But we're not there yet.

>in places like Japan and South Korea especially it's going to completely and utterly fucking collapse.
You can only chalk so much up to incompetence. The sooner you realize the government is not on your side the better you will be able to prepare yourself.
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>>675 (OP) 
The BP didn't spread naturally.
>>681
Destroying some magic paper solves the issue.

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How is this as an intro?

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I see libertarian sentiment slowly making a comeback while this culture war has been going on and reactionaries have routinely disappointed people by either going way too far or just being obvious grifts. The Mises people (Institute, not Caucus) are still going strong. This all has shades of the Paleo Strategy, which Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell would regret soon after the paleocons had irreconcilable differences with them and compromised on far too much.
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>>721
>Traditionalists
Then why are you posting shit about fascists. Rothbard was against everything about fascism except the social conservatism part.  We can do the social conservatism part without the rest of your collectivist, socialist, statist cancer.
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>>722
Most traditionalists online shill for authoritarianism. Trad shit shouldn't be the face of the libertarian movement, it should be in the background.
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>>722
>Then why are you posting shit about fascists. Rothbard was against everything about fascism except the social conservatism part.  We can do the social conservatism part without the rest of your collectivist, socialist, statist cancer.
I said it was a traditionalist text about fascism, and did you read it? the text doesn't even support fascism, hates it. And i am not nor a traditionalist nor a fascist. I just were sharing that.
>>726
Well, libertarians can learn a lot from traditionalists, for example, this author, Alvaro d'Ors, calls to fiscal subversion and explains the tricks you have to do to stop the bureaucratic machinery of the state, reclaims tyrannicide as the biggest apportation of the catholic church to the political thought. (His form of government is not the Republic or the Monarchy, is the government of God Father, that's the level of how a reactionary this man was) So, we have this man who called openly to evade taxes and to civil disobedience, I don't know, but that sounds very libertarian. In other things we can discern, but in this point is very clear. For example, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (this man is a libertarian of the austrian school) talks about how liberals were proud to have been the ones that created the nation-state meanwhile these ones opposed to it. 
If the modern libertarian b
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>>727
>did you read it?
No why would I read something that's more than 10 lines.

>libertarians can learn a lot from traditionalists something something theocracy
No. On the surface traditional values like family first, gender roles etc. are superior to progressive values like everyone should be a gay trans feminist. But then the jesusfags start talking about demons and nephilim and muh prophecy and everything-I-don't-like-is-satanism and you realize they are just as mentally ill and detached from reality as the rainbow cult.

In my mind they are equivalent at this point. If you want to cut off your dick and pretend you're a woman then go ahead. If you want to worship your childish sky daddy then go ahead. Either we work together on the principles of liberty and then you fuck off. Or you skip straight to fucking off part now. Either way I don't give a fuck about your so called "culture".

I do like your picrel though
>>702 (OP) 
The libertarian to fascist pipeline was just a psyop to get libertarians back into statism.

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>>636 (OP) 
>What's the libertarian answer to unrestricted internet access for 5 year olds?
It is the parents/guardian's responsibility to raise their own children.
>internet
what's the libertarian answer to people destroying any internet infrastructure that isn't on private property? will everyone have a big tower with a transmitter and receiver in their yard to connect like with HAM radio?

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Which has had a bigger impact on ending slavery
1 - The abolitionist movement
OR
2 - The industrial revolution
?
Which has had a bigger impact on limiting modern day inflation
1 - Ron Paul's End the FED movement
OR
2 - Bitcoin
?
Concluding leading question:  which matters more for furthering libertarianism
1 - Ideas
OR
2 - Technology
?
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>>619
>That's why leftists ignore banks
Go to a /leftpol/ or reddit and ask them what they think about banks or the fed. They'll say something like get lost lolbert corporations are the only enemy.
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>>624
>corporations are the only enemy.
Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.
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What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?
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The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.

The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.
>>626
>Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.
They say it was a government project with "scientific" oversight therefor shutup and take your boosters nazi.

>>628
>What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?
https://medium.com/@Kallman/a-21st-century-introduction-to-agorism-5dc69b54d79f

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How would the NAP deal with noise complaints?
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>>637 (OP) 
I approve this soyjak because it's making fun of commies.
Not going to effort post a response because the op has a soyjak so the whole thread will probably get deleted by some retarded crybaby zzz mod.

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This has been bugging me for a while. I'm probably not going to say anything new, but I think a thread discussing the matter here would be nice. If we want to have perfect ethics, why should we apply the NAP only to humans? Why would one justify aggression against other animals? But in fact, why just animals? Why not also apply it to every other living being? Perhaps to non-living things as well: maybe it's atoms that have the property right, or maybe it's subatomic particles that do.
Also, all this poses a big problem. If it's true that it's not justified to violate their property right (if they have it), this makes it impossible for us to do anything without violating ethics, since merely developing the land or even just existing causes the death of some other beings or things, and it would make us aggressors by default.
This might all sound quite extreme, but I wanted to push the argument to the absolute limit.
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>>350
veganism (not necessarily vegetarianism) also has this problem to deal with... by plowing the field, a vegan is basically denying the existence of some smaller animals like bugs (ignoring other non-animal living beings as well). How to solve this contradiction?
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>>350
>I don't see why being able to argue or reason is relevant to determine rights.
It's the only secular explanation for why humans are special. Even the smartest gorillas that can be trained to use sign language are still utterly incapable of asking questions or engaging in any other kind of abstract thought.
>>360
The reason for these frameworks, however primitive they were for the times they were in, established in trial after bloody trial what the correct and "best for you" way to live was along with the rationale for why it is so, Christ being necessary after all.

What I'd given you there was some of that rationale. You will know whether that rationale is valid or not, independent of one's theology for that matter, if you test it against alternate ideas and alternate theories or rationale and see which ones function as they are supposed to.

With mine and in what I gave you, it logically follows. Whereas the "animals should have personhood status ~ they are equivalent/have as much rights as man" argument made by modern law or modern lefty liberals will not logically and consistently "follow" when a lion mauls their offspring and their response is not "I'm glad that lions have the right to be lions".
>>360
Also props to the Blood Brothers - Papa Roach
>>361
It is true that smaller animals and other living beings die during crop production, but by far the vast majority of crop is fed to livestock. Only a smaller portion is directed towards human consumption. So, almost paradoxically, being on a vegan / plant-based diet leads to way fewer deaths of not only bugs, mice, and other small animals, but also plants as well.

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