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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Today is Windows XP's 20th birthday. Say something nice about it.
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>>16144
You're going to have to mess with spacing a bit to make the box borders line up right. A lot of it involves squeezing in space characters (as in the spacebar key) and doing the same stunt that people do whenever they want to triforce on imageboards.
>>3444 (OP) 
Oh man, Windows Xp had a hilarious backdoor. You see, as a NT-based computer, it was possible to log in to Xp computers over a network and no one bothered to secure against this by default or anything. Now back then just about everyone directly connected their computers to the internet (no router) and Windows Xp didn't even have a firewall back then either, so anyone could log into your computer over the internet if they had the right username and password. The funniest thing was that Windows Xp computers would come with a hidden Administrator account (that was its actual username btw, "Administrator") with a null password that is only visible when you boot into Safe Mode, but this account was - for some insane reason - totally valid for logging into someone's computer over the internet. Essentially all Windows Xp computers came with a free backdoor for anyone who knew to abuse to get into your PC. Securing yourself against this was trivially easy, but you don't know what you don't know.

Back when Windows Xp came out I used to IP range scan the open internet for Windows Xp computers and would proceed to fuck with people by logging into their PCs with the Administrator account. Literally all it took for you to end up getting hacked was that your Windows Xp computer was connected to the internet and you were unlucky enough to get spotted by an IP range scan hitting your ISP's IP ranges
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>>16182
I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days. The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
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>>16184
>I doubt most XP home computers were directly connected to the Internet like in the Win9x days.
They were. I literally IP range scanned the open internet back in the day and found tons of computers with open network shares and whatnot.

>The later ones were often connected directly via a POTS dialup modem that got assigned one of their ISP's IP address, but by the time XP came out a lot of people had ADSL or cable modems with built-in LAN ports that did NAT, and you're not gonna scan all those non-routable 10.0.0.x or 192.168.1.x ranges from the Internet. You'll just scan the router instead.
No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started using the internet. Second off, while DSL lines and the like did come with external modems, they were only external modems for the first several years. They weren't external router-modems like today. So there was no modem LAN. It just directly connected your PC to the internet. If you wanted a LAN you'd have to buy your own router and connect your modem to it, because they were separate devices (or you could buy an expensive router that had a built-in modem).

Early on routers weren't even part
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>>16186
> No, you're making a mistake here. First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001, when 56k modems were still the norm for internet connections. ISDN and DSL (let
 alone T1 internet) were expensive for people who had only just barely started
 using the internet.
I was paying only $35/mo for ADSL in 2000, and cable modem was $50/mo. The ADSL needed a POTS phone line to function, but I already had one, and unlike dialup modem you could also use the voice landline phone at the same time. An dialup ISP would have been about $20/mo. So it's not like we're talking big money here, just $15 more per month, and no hassles with the phone line being busy like I had in the mid 90's, because I was constantly online. xD
Plus the speed difference was night and day...

>> First off, Windows Xp came out in 2001
That doesn't mean everyone jumped to install it. I know a bunch of people who stuck with Win98 for several more years, and only got XP when buying a newer computer or needing some new software that was for XP. Don't forget XP is one of the NT-based Windows and it needs more hardware resources. A lot of people would have need to upgrade their computer to run it. If they're poor like you're saying and can barely afford a 56K dialup modem account, then they don't have the money for a computer upgrade. I lived in an apartment building in 2006 where 
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Excuse me for the low quality thread, but
WINDOWS 11 IS FUCKING WEBSHIT
THE UI IS RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
THE PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING INSIDE MICROSOFT EDGE
Yes, I stole these screenshots from Twitter. News this fucking retarded does not deserve a good thread.
The absolute fucking state of Microsoft.
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>>16177
I see no reason why not, As long as you aren't on windows it means you count.
>User opinion actually matters unless I dislike that person
LOL.
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>>16178
I was also meaning to ask what the major/minor differences between the ubuntu-based and the debian-based versions are.
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>>16179
I'm not exactly into the very specific and details but basically the differences being changes from Canonical at least the ones that get through and stability. Being that Debian changes at the speed of a turtle.
I never known someone to even use the Debian version.

The only reason for mint to drop Ubuntu would be pretty much be a argument against using rust.
>>16177
No. It has systemd and it's a Windows ripoff, just go back to Windows.
>>16179
Difference is that only retards use "derivative of a derivative"
More interesting distros always debian derivatives, and even then it's pointless when you can just add repos to debian of that other derivative

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After using the same handful of wallpaper images for the last three and a half years, I have come to the realization that I should get some new wallpapers.

Post your favourite wallpapers and wallpaper sources.  Pics related are a few of what I've been using; screenshots from a dead game called Blacklight: Retribution.  I never played it myself but it had some neat visuals.
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I would have included one of my  Waifu. But she has no good wallscreens due to being a visual novel character otherwise I would have to take a screenshot from the bad anime adaptation and waifu2x it oh well Ryūko is close enough.

>>7079
I get mine from gelbooru and wallhaven
Do you guys have any tiling wallpaper?
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>>2302 (OP) 
Ubuntu has a color scheme that essentially makes me love all of their default wallpapers, though recently I haven't liked them as much as the ones from the days when Unity was the DE, those were the best ones in style.
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Can I get some clean wallpapers? Something I can put on my desktop at work?

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This is a project I've been planning on doing for a long time: a cross-platform and open source image editor that completely supersedes MS Paint and all it's cheap imitators (for digital images, so no printing features). I want to hear thoughts and ideas.

The objective is to take MS Paint and polish an even better version out of it: minimalistic, extremely light weight and fast, and very easy to use. Everything should take as few clicks as possible and to just work, the feature set is intentionally limited and designed to work well even without transparency or layers. For example the brushes should all be pixelated (reasons in the attached webms), I think it was a mistake on Microsoft's part to switch to the soft brush as a default. Maybe advanced brushes can be added as a side feature, but I feel like they just don't belong into MS Paint and nobody uses them for any real purpose.

Do you see any problems from the mockup? Have other ideas or things that should be added/changed? How would (You) improve MS Paint? Does some other image editor have a feature that you like?
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It worked. I basically just copypasted the same thing for the zoomed-in rendering, so now it looks like this:
else if (zoom > 1.0) {
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	i64 px_progx = px_progxstart;
	i64 px_progy = px_progystart;
	i64 px_xstart = (crop.x-canvas->screenbounds.x) / multiplier;
	i64 px_ystart = (crop.y-canvas->screenbounds.y) / multiplier;
	i64 px_x = px_xstart;
	i64 px_y = px_ystart;
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>>16080
So much for my dreams of rotoscoping pixel art. :-( That's where the original Prince of Persia games got their smooth animations from.
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>>16138
I think MS paint is the wrong tool for creating game assets to begin with, there's just a lot of features missing to make it practical for art creation. It's more for quick edits, cropping images, mockups, tests, simple fun drawings, a blackboard to scribble onto...

It's not like there aren't 800 other free art programs you can use to follow your rotoscoping dreams. All of them are kind of shitty in their own ways, but still.
I put the most recent version on my site just to have a more centralized page for it: https://sundee.neocities.org/tffpaint/
It's still far from competing with MS Paint, but you can kinda use it a bit.

>>16169 is a retard btw.
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>>16171
At least post the source

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Gulag for interesting offtopic discussions.
Try to keep it /tech/ related.
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>>16160
For a local system where you're the only sysadmin, you don't even need the sudo/doas stuff. Just login as root on a tty (over serial port if there's no monitor/keyboard attached). But if you can't do that for whatever reason, there's still /bin/su that probably exists on every distro, no matter how small (it's even in BusyBox, so probably available on all those Linux routers adn other embedded stuff...)
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I swear, it's getting so fucking hard trying to take people who call out political hypocrisy and disingenuity when the person calling it out is no fucking better.

>See some video in my feed calling out sloptubers who push out lazy useful-idiot agendas.
>See some youtubers I like and other I had issues with because either their content sucks or their opinion sucks
>"alright. I might have to deal with some reality checks here, but that's okay, I can let it slide."
>disagree with a few points mid video, but hey, that's fine.
>cherry picking some really stupid statements that could be seen as shittalking, but hey.
>cites page 13 of 3 world Shlaim that effectively states that Anisemitism in the middle east didn't exist until hitler happened.
I'm like, "Hey. Indians hated jews before it was cool bro, don't you read Sir Richard Burton?" and in retrospect, I'm pretty sure there would've been just as much conflict elsewhere.
>continuously one-sidely paints the jew/arab war as being one of victims vs perpetrators when it's a bloody conflict where there are no heroes.
>Points out how "all the sloptubers hate this guy (hasan piker)", and conveniently ignores all the other times he shows twitch's little golden boy that gets away with shit that gets other people permabanned.
>He outright FUCKING DENIES that twitch IP-banned israel (I mean it's comical, but it was stupid from a business standpoint).
>He fucking DARES to say that Frogan's hate-rant against soldiers has validation because of any trauma she from the war when she's up there in being an actually-fucking-evil steamer.
>Namedrops the "Poverty Draft" buzzword.
>continuously calls america imperialist while ignoring the imperialism of almost everyone else.
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I forgot the other pics. sorry.
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I might give it a try, although I'm not sure what could I do with a PDP-11 emulator running real UNIX. I mean, I could try running some games or maybe write a document in vi, but I have a feeling the journey will be more exciting that the destination.
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>>16173
There is also this thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv6
>xv6 is a modern reimplementation of Sixth Edition Unix in ANSI C for multiprocessor x86 and RISC-V systems. It was created for educational purposes in MIT's Operating System Engineering course in 2006.

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Is it more hype than help? Overly complex or not complex enough? True internet 2.0 or already obsolete?
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>>15248
No and read the date.The author of the post definitely won't reply to you three years later.
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>>15248
>owners of the server can track your location if you use IPv4 anyway?
Yes but you probably share that ipv4 address with other customers from the same internet service provider. And then the connection terminates at a router which you might share with other people in the building.
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>>15319
Yes, nat provides a layer of separation.
>>15309
ipv6 doesn't need nat because there are enough addresses for each devi e to have one. There is an rfc for randomizing it https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8981 .
>>3971 (OP) 
The biggest issue is that they didn't just extend the address space and drop the redundant bits (like optional source routing, which nobody used anyway), they tried to introduce a bunch of new mechanics which fuck things up.

For example, SLAAC: nice in theory, but garbage when your ISP is retarded and only gives you /64, preventing you from making subnets which also work with Android (thanks Google!). I've even heard of retardation like giving out /128 only!
But even if I'd be okay with not being able to use my phone on my own subnet I can't figure out how to make the router actually give out a subnet, so I simply don't use IPv6 and just sit behind a double-NAT IPv4, which was substantially easier to set up even if it's shit.

But what I consider to be an even bigger issue is that IPv6 can and still will suffer from (severe) routing table fragmentation, as you can get some arbitrary IPv6 range and use it pretty much anywhere (on the same continent, at least, not sure what the exact requirements are). I believe the only real solution to this is to map addresses to physical coordinates and enforce that an address maps relatively close to its corresponding coordinate.
Hell, everyone uses DNS anyway and IPv6 obviously isn't meant to be typed in directly, so why bother reserving specific ranges to specific entities instead of regions?
>>3980
All DNS addresses point to IP addresses, anon. Think of DNS as a list of names to look up on your rolodex (in this case the rolodex is the Domain Name System server you connect to, and yes they - and anyone snooping that traffic - can see what domain names you've been connecting to) to find someone's phone number to call them. It's that kind of mechanic. You still need their number to reach them. What you're suggesting would still require a huge overhaul of how the internet protocol works (or how computers interact with it, which is more-or-less the same thing) except much, much buggier.

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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My thinkpad for shitposting keeps dying :(
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>>16154
You can probably just replace the bad part (after you figure out what's causing it).
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>>16157
If I leave it without power it will work fine for some time, but then suddenly it will turn off. And won't turn on: power, battery and turned on lights go on but nothing happens not even bios or lenovo logo.
No idea how to troubleshoot something like that.
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>>16163
Open it, make sure the fan(s) are working, and there's no dust inside or in the air exhaust ports.
If that doesn't help, try to remove easily detachable compontents like battery, HDD, CD drive, and boot from a Linux USB, then run memtest.
Some of those laptops have known problems and they're explained on the thinkpad wiki or forum website.
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Might've been a better thread to ask  this in, but I remain unsure, so I ask here for now: Could I get some non-bot/non-shill answers for quality headphones and speakers brands? I want to buy my kid brothers something nice for better communication when we play games (or they want to watch their YouTube Shorts drivel, I guess). I'm not incredibly worried about a microphone since they already begged for a cheap, retail one from their mother, but just don't want to get them overpriced chinkshit that will break with a sneeze or single drop off a desk.

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Here's how you could "fix", or make a better version of the C programming language.

How would you improve C or another language?

Most important

- #import, imports the file into the program, but only makes the contents (variables, functions, types) available inside files that include it directly. It does not place the contents where you #imported it like #include does. Header files and compiler settings are unnecessary for #imported files. #defines do not have to be compatible with it, if that's what it takes. #include is still useful though, although I would probably call it #paste instead.
- Use . instead of -> for dereferencing struct members. It seems like a nitpick but it's important because of how prevalent and annoying and totally pointless (insert pointer joke) it is.
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I'll also add: the only reason pre- and post-increment exist in C is because it mapped directly to PDP-11 instructions, which was useful for generating moderately efficient code with completely non-optimizing compiler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11_architecture#General_register_addressing_modes
Additionally, the original C language looks very different from modern C: https://github.com/mortdeus/legacy-cc
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>>16159
Actually, I am wrong: B also has pre- and post-increment, and existed before the PDP-11.
Looking at the ISA of the PDP-7 there doesn't seem to be an equivalent instruction, so the only reason then was non-optimizing compilers. http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp7/PDP-7_Brochure.pdf
>>16149
Thank you for proving you are indeed petulant.

>>16158
>x++ vs ++x makes literally no difference. It's trivial to optimize.
Optimizations are context-dependent, nigger. The reason it compiles to the same thing is because in that context it makes no difference which of the two you use. This is not true in all contexts, but you are too dumb for that.

>Also, there is absolutely no reason to write something like ++x + y++ in actual production code. It serves no purpose except to confuse anyone who reads the code, including your future self.
Anon, unless you are fucking dyslexic or have fucking brain damage it is trivially easy to recognize the difference. Complaining about this being confusing just proves you're retarded. I have never ever been fucking confused by this shit, in over 20 years of programming. The idea that I would somehow forget what a pre-increment operator is if I haven't looked at the same code for a couple of years is so stupid it just makes me laugh. Seriously, you might have a hole in your head if you have trouble holding on to this sort of basic knowledge.

Anyway, all of your whining boils down to the same shit: You are bad at programming and you don't care about other people's use-cases and you wa
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>>16164
I'm actually curious:
- what makes you attach your identity to a programming language? I only ever see this rage with people who take a slight against something personally.
- do you genuinely believe throwing a flurry of insults will convince anyone? Or only yourself?
It is also obvious you have never worked in a team.

And of course I do use Python. It's a very useful scripting language. One particular example is idf.py from esp-idf https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf
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>>16165
Oh boy, there's a fucking classic of the nu-male approach to arguments: When losing, suddenly try to derail by making it about the other person's behavior. Anon, were you always a faggot or did you have to work your way up to acting like a shitty woman? Honestly, I'd ask if you are fucking retarded but I already know the answer to that one.

Since you seem to be phenomenally dense I'll spoonfeed you the obvious:

1. People do not need to take shit personally to give others shit, especially when they are being extremely stupid. You clearly have never experienced the unfiltered internet, so go fucking lurk more if this surprises you. The reason I call you a retard for having so much difficulty keeping track of the difference between a basic pre-increment operator and post-increment operator is because it is an inability that showcases mind-blowing stupidity, especially when you made this your hill to die on. I'd say it suggests you're not a learning animal or a very slow learner but I think we already have other evidence of that being the case. Every decent programmer knows this shit. The only "decent" programmers who continue to fuck up this extremely elementary shit are just delusional about how awful they truly are, aka walking cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

2. The reason I shit on you for this suggested C change is because it's actually fucking bad and every time this was pointed out to you you then proceeded to double and triple down on it like a spoiled child, complete with whining. The fact that you are now suddenly trying to pretend to be the responsible adult in the room demonstrates an utter lack of self-awareness on your part, kid. You need to learn to accept negative feedback when you have shit ideas, anon. We don't exist to suck your dick and tuck you in to bed at night like your mom. Your garbage fucking idea is only helpful to retarded people who should not be writing C (or programming at all, honestly) to begin with and is a problem that interferes with legitimate reasons to write C.

3. Setting aside the fact that you are a shameless hypocrite for complaining about insults, the flurry of insults is in fact a productive way to handle these sorts of arguments, because at this stage your inability to accept the flaws in your reasoning and whining makes you a child who has insisted on putting his ego in the way of processing criticism. Therefore, you made it necessary for your ego to be cut down to size. That's the price you pay for putting your ego in the way. Also, I will insult you just for being a fucking idiot, because being an entitled fuck-up deserves some disrespect and once again, I am not your mother. Also, you are not the center of the world and not everyone who argues on the internet does it to try to convince the other person. Seriously, were you born yesterday?

4. People do not, in fact, act the same way in a real life professional setting with team members as they do when arguing with retards on the internet. The fact that I even have to explain something this basic to you suggests you must be the product of some serious inbreeding. If you behave the same way on the internet as you do at work, I genuinely pity every last person who has to deal with you. That's not a fucking joke or exaggeration. I genuinely pity them.

5. Certainly, no one is going to accuse you of lying about being a Python scripter.

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What is the final document format? Not text file (unformatted). I am asking for formatted text document, with tables and embedded images. What is the final solution?

Proposals:
-ODF (.odt)
-Rich Text Format (.rtf)
-HTML
-DOC (.doc)
-DOCX

Considerations:
-is the format simple, efficient, small?
-is it open source, free, or at least without patents or some other shit
-is it supported by large amount of software? for import and export
-is it malware? has hidden metadata and other shit? complex and proprietary?
-does the format allow for huge documents?
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>>8836
I've used ghostwriter before, I think it was pretty light.
>>7441 (OP) 
TXT
main.pdf
(314.7KB)
>>8172
It's just hype no software.
>>7441 (OP) 
>Proposals:
>-ODF (.odt)
>-Rich Text Format (.rtf)
>-HTML
>-DOC (.doc)
>-DOCX
You forgot WPF, for those of us who want to return to the WordPerfect days. It's still in use, tbh.

If you want open source & free it's going to be ODF or Latex.
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>>16142
>If you want open source & free
then you'd want docx, which is based on the open sores openxml standard

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