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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Firefox 152 ships JpegXL for the first time ever in regular builds.
It's still behind a flag but that will probably change soon. (about:config image.jxl.enabled)
In Chrome too: chrome://flags/#enable-jxl-image-format

We won in the end and Google and their cocksuckers at Mozilla bent over when the PDF Association made JXL their standard.

How do we get imageboards to finally allow uploading .jxl?
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Is the web finally going to abandon the abominable webp and move to jxl? I read that jxl is not only better at compression but also flexible enough to be losslessly converted back to "classic" jpg if needed. That would be great if true.
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>>19651
>to be losslessly converted back to "classic" jpg
I don't think this applies to any jxl file. You can upgrade jpeg to jxl and back without introducing recompression artifacts, but it won't be as efficient as creating jxl directly from the source. Still great if you want to compress your giant photo collection or something without losing quality.
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>>19652
>You can upgrade jpeg to jxl and back without introducing recompression artifacts
That's what I meant. The benefit here is that you get to use a modern format with good compression, while still having the ability to support older software.
Chrome 155 is out now with Jpeg XL. Users will be upgraded gradually over the coming days.
https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+log/154.0.8037.99..155.0.8059.40?pretty=fuller&n=10000
It's been rolled out in both browsers by now.

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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>>19710
My phone (pic rel) doesn't have a music player.
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>>19709
I've used MP3 players extensively before smartphones (2000s-2010s) so I'll tell you what I think of them, although my opinion may be a little outdated...
The small form factor is nice, most MP3 players are smaller than both smartphones and dumbphones so you can hide them anywhere without taking much space. They're also fully offline, unless you buy one of the recent bluetooth-capable models. Most models support SD cards of virtually any capacity.
Now the worst thing about MP3 players is the shelf life. Almost all MP3 players are cheap chinkshit that barely lasts a year before going bad (e.g. headphone port becomes loose, buttons stop working, device dies completely). The battery life is garbage too. Back in my day MP3 players required standard AAA batteries, which naturally didn't last too long, but at least you could replace them in a pinch and continue listening. Newer models only have a built-in battery, so when it loses charge you better find a power outlet or a computer to plug it into. Some particularly shitty models don't even let you listen to music while the battery charges.

The only respectable MP3 player that I've used was the Sony Walkman NWE394 (pic related). I'm not sure if it's still being produced, but if you find it anywhere, buy it. It's as old school as it gets and is pretty much perfect except for one drawback; fixed storage. I don't think any of the no-name brands can compete with, 
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>>19711
But if that was true then they wouldn't have taken the headphone jack out of phones to humiliate goyim who listen to loli moaning on the train.
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>>19715
Thanks for replying.
I should've said I'm probably looking for older devices (second hand), because I indeed wouldn't trust modern Chinese garbage.
I also probably want to install Rockbox, and only these devices seem to be compatible (there are more, but they are marked as "unstable"). As you can see, almost none have SD card support, and the internal storage is not too good on many of them. But apparently you may be able to replace the internal storage on some, so, that would be nice. Though I'm not 100% sure that I NEED Rockbox for listening to music.
I would be fine with a built-in battery if I can replace it (as in buy a replacement when it goes bad); buying those old little batteries and constantly replacing them doesn't look too economical.
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>>19715
There's way too many old (and likely dead) digital Walkmans today. The Android one that I have (NW-A100) was already outdated several years ago. There might be a good chance that there's some Rockbox support for those Walkman players with that proprietary connector, but I haven't checked that site for a while. At least the one that I have uses Type-C, even though I'm stuck with Android 9.0.

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I've been toying with vibe-coding up some different really crappy locally-hosted-only websites to make offline versions of what I frequently visit online. The idea is that the entire internet is basically dead, full of bots, and doesn't let me find what I want anymore. So, if everything online is full of bots, I might as well go full Chobits mode and make my own local internet of bots to interact with.
The idea is dead simple. It all works by just using AI bots to generate content at the click of a button instead of waiting for other humans to post on a real website. So, the "offline zzzchan" I'll post there, and then when I want to "refresh the page", I'll click a buttons to generate more posts on all the boards. For the moment, I've two buttons. One is a "Simple" button, which creates really spammy obviously bot replies, but because it's using Markov chains/db calls/state references it's really cheap to generate. The other is a "dedicated" button that fully calls ollama to generate text.
The blog works pretty well also. And the Youtube replacement is in the works--at the moment, I just have it generating video transcripts/svg screenshots.
It's all relative. Like, yes, it's not great, but the idea is compared to what? The bot-generated Youtube replacement trash is at least better than the real Youtube. I also surprisingly (probably sadly) find the fake offline version of zzzchan a lot more fun to hang out in than the real one. At least so far.
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>>19648
>Motherfuckers will do anything but get out of the internet
>pick something random from the library
the library tells you to register online
>cheap stuff at garage sales
scan our qr codes
>or anything else 
join our discord or our meetup that's where we organize
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I guess I should give an offline chan update.
>Game engine
I've been working on an AI slop game generator with it. I asked it to try making the ambiance like a decaying U.S. city, and I thought it'd be awful. But it immediately made a strip mall full of Kratom shops, nail salons, and dead stores that've been for lease for two decades, and then it placed a single out-of-place shopping cart and I thought, "O.k., you fucking nailed the ambiance dude."
>Chan
I'ven't messed with it a whole lot. I've kind of been more preoccupied with the music/image generators. I've had to do a lot of stuff to get the music generator to work (it's awful at multi-part harmonies or anything above a tempo of 60 bpm, without some kludgy hacks). What surprises me the most is that the bot channers are actually way more mean that you guys are. The bot channers are so incredibly dismissive of anything you say, that it's almost more effective to employ reverse psychology.
>Story editors
I'm trying to make a better story engine atm. It's having trouble writing a standard 3-act play without losing the plot.
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>>19692
In general, it's been an interesting process, because what I learn from one project, I can immediately apply its improvements to the others.
I've finally been able to fit Gemma 4 12B model on my equipment, and it's like light and day.
It just occurred to me that I could take this entire project that doesn't need any internet access, including the model weights, and bundle it into one SD card.
I think this is interesting because it kind of puts all the people calling to regulate AI on blast. Good luck regulating something I can put in my coin bag or stuffed into the sole of my sneaker.

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Please please tell me, that something (hardware and/or software) somewhere, operating system and everything else from web browsers to video editors, anywhere in the foul year of our lord >2020, THAT IS NOT EITHER OF THESE TWO EXTREMES THAT ARE STARTING TO MAKE ME SEE THE POINT OF ECOTERRORISM BEING LESS INSANE THAN ALL THE OTHER POLITICAL GIRLS:

1) Bloated kludgeware tire fire trashheaps slapped together (I am beyond fed up with linux and open sores freetardation in general) by either cringy trannies or cringy nadsee larpers but I can pick and choose my poison to try and carefully avoid both kinds of collectivist authoritarian "YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!" and "YOUR'E NOT A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!" (both are equally gay, two sides of the same slacktivist coin, both of you blow your brains out since I'm sick of both of you blowing each other way outside your containment quarantine shitpits of purity spiraling echo chamber circle jerks, there is no escape from terminally online politislopsuckers) being shoved down my throat at every turn (which is getting more and more difficult to get away from in the digital world: as enshittification, the competency crisis, and the neo-bolshevik long march through the institutions infects every corner of everywhere (the world owes Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Paul an apology!); what happened to hobbyists being proud of their passions? what happened to "coupla dudes in a garage" gigageeks outclassing paid professionals like
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Thank you fellow victims of decades of glowing rectangle induced pseudoautism to escape the even worse brain damage of bell curve outlier something-something forced integration buzzword salad. Have some basic neoluddism meems for your trouble.
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>>19464
Honestly pining for living among the pines, no joke.
>>19522
Sadly the artist has not posted anything on Pixiv since 2017.
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Remember when halfway decent alternatives to [insert big name vibe-coded kludgy bloatware product/service because shit floats to the top of the digital diarrhea lake that is modern computing] weren't gatekeeping themselves with ten-thousand captchas a second so if the least shitty option was a little too fucky, you could try another that didn't suck even harder like six gorillion "some bored tweenager who takes regular dumps on Github in between restocking cigarettes at a gas station in Rednecktopia, Utah?" to piss on your parade until you throw your hands up at the several-dozenth freetarded open sore and just gb2/[insert big name vibe-coded kludgy bloatware product/service because shit floats to the top of the digital diarrhea lake that is modern computing]?
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>>19712
I remember when people could make a clear point without trying to force as many buzzwords as possible into their post.

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Discuss /tech/-related news.
What will happen if section 230 is nuked?
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>>19503
WTF I LOVE NEOVIM NOW.
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So, uh, are we going to talk about how Adobe just got completely assblasted off the face of the Earth? Given how they treat their customers, it's like some kind of divine punishment.
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>>19701
Ergh... uhhhm.... well... maybe you still try to actually make a post that explains whatever drawfaggot drama you are referring to instead of telling us to wipe your ass?
https://modernity.news/2026/10/13/bill-gates-warns-of-grim-cyberattack-surprises/
<noooo, u have to ban AI! its super cereal danjerus guise :( :( :(
Translation
>This shit is going to reverse engineer clones to all my subscription services in a couple months like what Artcraft just did to Adobe! Ban it so I can protect my Microsoft stock!
Just like how Bill Gates protected his pharma "investments" with covid hysteria.
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>>19707
Somewhat surprising the media still runs with these headlines about what Bill Gates thinks as if he's some celebrated public intellectual. Boomers didn't even hold him in high regard back when he was just the Microsoft guy and that was only because of business as usual, well before he was exposed as an Epstein collaborator.

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Seemed like it would be a good idea for users both old and new.

[Materials to avoid]
Codecademy and other flashy looking sites (KhanAcademy might be okay)
"fishy" Youtube videos such as those from FreeCodeCamp
"Learn X in 24 hours/three days!"
Anything that deviates too far from a specification (Very obvious if you're reading a spec. in parallel with a primary learning resource)
Most blogs, especially anything on Hacker News that isn't being written by someone obviously trustworthy and/or qualified

[Searching]
You should use a metasearch engine. Not only are they better for your privacy, but I've observed better results than single engines like DDG or Yandex.
https://searx.space/
Bookmark 3-4 reliable instances at the top of your browser and rotate between them or use an add-on such as LibRedirect.

Hacker News has lots of developers and skilled people posting on it. If there's a particular project/idea you're interested in its worth looking it up with their search engine.
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>>17778
>not keeping your own flock of geese to cut dip quills from
ISHYGDDTSMHfam
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>>17779
>Having to dip your feather in ink every paragraph while the ink in the well dries up.
>Feather tickling your hand and reducing focused vs machined ergonomic handle
>using what is discarded as trash from a bird

Might as well go back to using punch cards.
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>>17781
>gives papercuts
>isn't human-readable
>holes compromise structural integrity
This is why I scratch messages directly onto surfaces with my fingernails or a spare arrowhead.
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>>17775
As great as these learning materials are so far, I'd also like to see a thorough curriculum that deliberately rejects every kind of artificial intelligence tool and any large language model since there's already plenty of pushback from places like KDE, Codeberg, Debian, and the FSF. I can't learn from just lurking nor discussing through forums anymore.
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>>19698
Thankfully the LLM-specific stuff on that site is more about the side of developing it than using it, but I too would prefer if it wasn't present at all. At least the rest of the material remains useful in projects which reject LLMs.
What I'd really like is something that isn't just a polemic or activism against AI, or an attempt to pretend it doesn't exist, but an actual response which practically addresses why AI is used.

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I think this is big enough deal to merit pulling it out of the 'news' page into its own thread. If you don't know what's going on, a bunch of states have pulled a fast one on us and are trying to/have passed age verification laws in various states in the U.S. on the operating system level.
- Lunduke's Journal has been having a spree providing updates on it ( lunduke.substack.com )
- I made my own page to try to keep track on what you can do. Please think about sharing it (or something): https://websitereview.neocities.org/ageverification
- Reclaim the Net has a campaign trying to counter it https://reclaimthenet.org/age-verification
- The EFF has a campaign https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification .
I've included some minor links suggested by >>18007 and >>18008 . Please keep in mind I'm a moron and don't know what I'm doing, but felt something should be done here. Please share your own sites, updates, and thoughts on the situation.
THANK YOU F
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>>19527
Economists will still be like "Tarriffs are bad" after reading shit like this. Like bro, just let the tech companies pay tariffs or an offshore tax or smth instead of doing this regulatory guessing game bullshit. At least the country gets revenue out of it, and there's some amount of transparency, honesty, and decency about it; and the host country also doesn't have to pay for an army of regulators and enforcement.
Instead we live in this world where every economic bloc has domestic regulatory protection, and then every neoliberal economist sits back and pretends that economic protectionism doesn't exist/free trade exists because tariffs are so low. Meanwhile U.S. tech companies pay gigantic fees to the EU to help prop up its regulatory apparatus. Give me a break.
Anyways, sorry to hear about your country man. And sorry for being selfish, but if you got any tips to keep that shit from happening here, we'd love to hear it.
>>19498
I know there's going to be a lot of valid criticism of this, but I'm actually really happy about this. I'll take what wins I can. I kind of feel like the letter writers won here.
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>>19528
>Anyways, sorry to hear about your country man. 
It's fine, one of the few good things of living among retards is that most government institutions are too incompetent to work, they wish they could censor and ban like China, but they mostly block a few DNSs. It's not like they are chasing normal people, there are too much criminals for them to care about.
The only way of you getting in trouble is going openly on social media with your real life profile posting shit like "I'm going to kill someone and bomb a place". Hell, if you kill someone here and have a good lawyer you still could get 4-5 free days (per year) out of prison and never came back.

I think here is one of the few countries you can go fully anonymous if you want it. There a lot of cities with nearly 200k pop where you can live normally and just 2h-3h of bigger cities. You could buy a house, car, internet, a cellphone with little trail and only money. Worst case if you have no fear, go to a favela where you have no address and live with fully stollen internet provided by local drug lords.

>And sorry for being selfish, but if you got any tips to keep that shit from happening here, we'd love to hear it.
Really troubling, personally, I think democracy can't work without eventual violence. You need disruption from time to time, like war, steal someone's land, companies, resources, etc.
Voting won't change, all parties are corrupt in a literal cabal of baby killing, eating and fucking.
Protesting wont work. They've shutdown organizing ever since ((( wall street  ))) directed the rage against them to other groups like now people are just mad at each other for frivolous things like social media ragebaits.

Look at US, the population happily put spy cams and mics 24/7 connected on their doors all from Ring/Amazon, inside their homes with smart assistants (mostly Amazon/Google), and just now are annoyed that the Flock thing are spying them. UK cucked themselves with loicenses and what not, Europe accepted with open arms millions of refugees that not only refuse to speak or learn the local language and culture but  don't follow their laws, not including having 5 to 10 kids each, building mosques and slowly destroying local culture.

The solution? I don't fucking know, study, be smarter, have a good job and a safe place to live. Try to help your local community, join a club, try to interact more with the old folk and keep what's good and traditional from your city, state or country, be a better person and wish for the best.
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California doing Californian things:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/08/eff-gov-newsom-veto-californias-ab-1709
Social media age verification requirements.
https://reclaimthenet.org/california-lawmakers-advance-bills-to-impose-ai-chatbot-censorship-and-age-verification
AI use age verification requirements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQRcK9nYg9g
EU Kids Act looks p. bad.
>>19575
I've been reading reports that USAID had basically captured every single Brazilian institution. Was USAID behind the age verification shit? Does it look like Bolsonaro will maybe repeal this stuff?

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>the internet is changing


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what are you doing here, λnon?
Go back to your containment tranny board.
This website was so nice without you.

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>>19679
>memory safety
>doesn't even have a finished spec
>pushed by jews and trannies
There is also the larp that it is as fast as C and that's why it is getting shilled everywhere, otherwise if people just wanted correctness and a ball-busting compiler they'd be using something like Haskell since at least everything is made by mathematicians who provide a 10-page theorem proving their implementations are correct (assuming you have enough RAM for the GC to keep a 2 copies of everything while it runs) rather than expecting you to trust the power of subsidized estrogen.
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>>19677
>Can someone redpill Rust? Give me the lowdown plskthx
Last I heard, it doesn't support all the architectures OpenBSD does. It's also so fat that it can't compile itself on an x86 machine because it quickly hits the 4GB memory limit.
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>>19681
<30GB+ of free disk space
<8GB+ RAM
<2+ cores
Holy hell... I thought GCC was bloated but this is on a whole other level. How exactly is this supposed to "replace" C?

>>19677
I have been mostly ignoring news about Rust, but the fact that its users are constantly barging into C projects and demanding rewrites is suspicious enough to warrant scrutiny. There has to be an ulterior motive, people don't just go around asking for code rewrites in a completely new language unprompted.
Typically I'd expect Rust enthusiasts to just write their own original projects and organically build up interest in the language, but I'm yet to see a single non-trivial Rust project that compels me to use the language. All I see is rewrites and they're not exactly success stories (e.g. Bun rewrite, uutils).
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>>19683
It's a language for extremely boring people whose idea of cool software is just the same shit we have now, but rewritten in a hyper-anal language that takes ages to compile and encourages webdev-tier overuse of libraries. They're also overreacting to issues with C and the way system programming languages have stagnated over the 21st century.
My impression is that Rust will eventually be upstaged by less retarded languages that borrow a couple ideas from it. You can already see a little of that in projects like Jane Street's OxCaml extension of OCaml, which takes Rust's type theory autism further but without the borrow checker.
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>>19684
>My impression is that Rust will eventually be upstaged by less retarded languages that borrow a couple ideas from it. You can already see a little of that in projects like Jane Street's OxCaml extension of OCaml, which takes Rust's type theory autism further but without the borrow checker.
Someone will make something new, easier and better but the users will make it obnoxious and pretentious with time, then the cycle continues.

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