/liberty/ - Austro-Libertarianism

Can someone give me a qrd on Georgism

>>962
Mercantalist:  all taxation should be tariffs.
European:  all taxation should be VATs.
Progressive:  all taxation should be income taxation.
Socialist:  all taxation should be wealth taxes.
Georgist:  all taxation should be property taxes.

It's actually funny how dead all of the political boards all across the internet are now.

Pls suggest substacks.  I'll start:
Armageddon Prose
After Babel

>>1026
Based Georgists

Sorry but in this house we call it "Rhodesia"

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Do you still use physical cash?

>>1059
Only for femboy hookers

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>>1061
We're gonna need more physical cash in the economy.

>>1059
Everything i have is cash, all i've ever used was cash, i only deal in cash

>>1067
How many femboys do you have?

>>1068
He doesn't pay me nearly enough :(

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What does /liberty/ think of the assassination of United Healthcare's CEO?

Wow.

Americans think that politicians would try to protect freedom more if officials had higher salaries.

>>1070
Insurance companies only exist because the state outlaws people forming clubs where members each pitch in and the money would be used when a member is hospitalized. This used to be the norm before the state outlawed it, save for a few religious groups.

>>1072
Don't those exist though?  E.g., CrowdHealth?

>>1072
based. you are 100% that working mens clubs used to pay for each members health costs

>>1071
I can't imagine what you're arguing with since you're not quoting anyone but it's reasonable to assume that if politicians livelihoods or standards of living depended on them protecting freedom then they would do so.

>>1085
Not saying it is this, but several years ago there was a bot (or someone autistic and unengaging as one) posting anti-American statements similar to that one without responding to anything in particular.

>>1086
The bot is also on the Fediverse. It's known as FreedomPatroit and it seems to scrape data from various forums, imageboards, and social media sites then reposts them.
https://merovingian.club/@freepatriot

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA
p. interesting.

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This is a dumb topic, but does anyone have any tips on how to price in quality?  Like not in a "libertarian geopolitical economics" sense, but in a "personal home economics" sense?

E.g., I got these two pair of undershirts.  One was half the price of the other.  The half-priced ones lasted like a half year before they tore themselves to shreds.  The others have lasted me years.  This example isn't important to me, I'm just using it as something simple to drive the discussion.

The first issue in determining quality is the knowledge asymmetry.  I later learned "why" the other undershirts performed better (the higher priced undershirts had double folded hems, thicker stitching in the shoulders, etc.), but I would've liked to figure out a way to intuit this without needing to have a more intimate knowledge of sewing than the 0 knowledge I had before.  Sewing is not exactly a fascinating topic for me.

It's not just the knowledge asymmetry that's an issue.  I also would've like to have a sense of 'how much' the quality should've impacted the price in my head.  Like if I held up the two garments and thought, "This is twice as much, but will last eight times as long," then I'd immediately have a sense of how to "price in" that quality.  I don't have a way to get a sense of "it will last 8 times as long," though.  Moreover, for a coat you might not care about that (you care about warmth, insulation, rain resistance, etc.).  How do you balance those sorts of things in your personal decisions?

I know "Consumer Reports" is often thrown around in libertarian circles, but have any of you personally read that magazine?  I know UL is another item held up, but there's another knowledge asymmetry that occurs with those sort of professional organization labels:  how do you know about them?  Brand recognition is another way, but in the example I give above, both packages were Hanes.

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>>1073
>Don't those exist though?  E.g., CrowdHealth?
If they are not outright banned they are significantly disadvantaged by regulation and government interference. Private schools exist but you are already forced to pay for state schools with your taxes and that makes it hard for most families to justify the cost of paying of the same thing twice. So even though private schools are vastly superior hardly anybody uses them. Some for heatlhcare in countries with socialized healthcare, why pay twice for the same thing. You can't say no to taxes so the tax subsidized thing wins.

>>1085
>I can't imagine what you're arguing with
First schizo post?

>>1088
>p. interesting.
It's called the Shia Crescent. Iran -> Iraq -> Syria -> Lebanon all have governments friendly with Hezbollah and allow weapons to be shipped from Iran to Hezbollah. Israel doesn't like that. They can't justify another invasion of Iraq and Iran actually has a military who can punch back so overthrowing Assad was the only way to break the chain. That's what the last 10 years of Syria drama has been about.

>>1094
>I know "Consumer Reports" is often thrown around in libertarian circles, but have any of you personally read that magazine?
I assume they mean consumer reports in general. Like ebay and amazon feedback. Many vendors will send a little card with your package that says if you're not happy please talk to us instead of leaving a bad review. They are legit terrified of bad reviews. I would regard that feedback more trustworthy.

If you consult a 3rd party review company you have to make sure they are trading on their reputation like Michelin Stars for restaurants or those pentesting companies that audit VPNs. Their incentive to protect the integrity of their brand needs to be stronger than their incentive to just sell good reviews for money.

>quality
I don't want to be the annoying bitcoin guy but all the quality and shrinkflation bullshit is caused by broken money. The fed keeps printing fiat so $30 in 2020 is worth like $50 in 2024. So the only way for sneakers to be $30 in 2020 and still $30 in 2024 is for the manufacturer to drastically reduce the quality.

It sucks but you have to get into the mindset of "this product cost $30 in 2020 so I need to spend $50 to get the same quality in 2024". For most people $30 == $30 but with fiat you have to factor in the time dimension 2020($30) != 2024($30). There are some exceptions like computers and TVs where technology is advancing faster than fiat is collapsing so you can get more RAM for less money now. But inflation is destroying most other industries.

I like your Hoppe cat

https://www.reuters.com/legal/lawsuit-accuses-major-food-companies-marketing-addictive-food-kids-2024-12-10/

What do libertarians think of this case?  Two possible libertarian arguments I could think of:
One:
>This is fraud (claiming that UPFs are not carcinogenic for many, many year).
>They're liable for damages due to fraud due to that.
Two:
>You chose to stuff that food down your throat.
>They're not liable

Is passing gas in a crowded elevator a violation of the NAP even if it was unintentional? What if there was an eldery person and it caused them to go into A-Fib is that considered agression? Granted Paul Hunn's record breaking ass blast from 1972 which was 118 decibels and lasted 2 minutes 42 seconds would surely violate the NAP by destroying the hearing and smell of everyone on the elevator, right?

>>1115
Nice try, but your mom is not violating the NAP, anon.

>>949 (OP) 
bees are ancaps?

>>1097
>the true value of gold and silver
SWING AND A MISS
Corvettes are not an accurate indicator of value, because the modern corvette uses less man-hours per car than the 1971 version.
Furthermore, Corvettes are designed to meet a specific price point.
A price point high enough to preclude most people from buying one because of it's limited use, but not so high that it precludes the majority of it's target demographic.
This means that less man-hours will be spent on every level of the supply chain for future iterations of the car.
Value fluctuations will therefore be invisible if you use the Corvette.

1971 non-farm federal minimum wage: 1.60
1971 median price of gold spot: 41.50 * 1.2 = 49.8 (retail)
49.8/1.6 = 31.125 man-hours/oz gold

2020 non-farm federal minimum wage: 7.25
2020 median 2020 price of gold spot: 1877.66 * 1.2 = 2253.192 (retail)
2253.192/7.25 = 310.79 man-hours/oz gold

Reasoning:
Gold is used because silver has been highly manipulated by JP Morgan and the entire ETF market, and the demand for silver has and continues to outgrow all supply.
Gold has experienced the same reduction of required man-hours to extract and refine as the Corvette, but recycling has extended the supply and demand hasn't outgrown supply, so it's value has been relatively stable.
20% is on the high end of honest middle-man markup for retail gold. The typical price is 10-50% above spot depending on who you buy from.
Very few people work for minimum wage, but minimum wage gives an easy way to observe how the government views it's subjects.
No normal person will be able to buy wholesale prices for gold because of the security and minimum quantities required.
This does not include taxes (license, insurance, registration, property, income, and now health), which was ~25-35% in 1971, and easily exceeds 60% since 1980.
The inclusion of taxes increases the man-hours necessary per oz gold.
Everything you pay to the government without a direct product or service is a tax.

The interesting thing is that this calculation is reinforced by what college educated women perceive to be the minimum income necessary to live a comfortable life.
The same can be said about congressional salaries.

Everyone is getting fucked but nobody has taken the time to figure out how badly they're getting reamed by kikes fiddling with money.

Would corporations exist in anarchocapitalism?

>>1115
Based and Brownpilled

What is the libertarian solution to the foreign workers problem?

>>1125
There is none. Border walls violate the NAP.

>>1125
Watch companies staffed solely by DEI hires and pajeets go broke.

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>>1127
c.f. Boeing

Who do you think was the most evil person in history?
Hitler?
Stalin?
Mao?
Genghis Khan?
Napoleon?
Bush?
Mengele?
Shirō Ishii?

>>1129
>Hitler
>Napoleon
Lol.

Obviously, the j*wish scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, that wielded their political power to have Jesus murdered. Even the Romans themselves repented when they saw Him on the cross.

<--->

But lest any of us get too smug, remember we each are deserving of eternal hellfire destruction. Yes, this means 'you', Anon. Repent today -- what better season!? Cheers.  :^)

>>1130
Hi, nice of you to drop into /liberty/ from the webring.  For you:
>Pontius Pilate
>Soros
>Rothschild
>Herbert Marcuse
>Magnus Hirschfeld
Or do you have a particular one?

FWIW, Hitler and Napoleon both tried to conquer and subjugate all of Europe.  So--you know what, fuck it, I'mma make a tier list, give me some time...

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I'm not thinking this through too hard on ethics or making things comprehensive and am mainly just shitposting here.

S tier - You killed a massive amount of the population and you did a sizeable amount with your own two hands.
Genghis Khan

A tier - Normie genociders who hid behind bureaucracy.
Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Yahya, Talaat

B tier - You didn't hide behind bureaucracy and did some fucked up shit.
Beria, Mengele, Isso, Dahmer, Che, Light

C tier - You were megalomaniacal.
Woodrow, Napoleon, Ledouche, Alexander, Caesar

D tier - Babby's first war crime.
Bush, Tanya, Bibi

>>1131
>Hitler and Napoleon both tried to conquer and subjugate all of Europe.
Would they had succeeded.

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>>1125
In all seriousness to the recent brouhaha, I kind of have to separate my personal feelings from the economic/ethical analysis here.  Personally, I hate it.  I'm one of the picrel.
Separating my personal emotions/feelings on the matter, though, H1Bs are such a drop in the bucket compared to immigration as a whole.  91k/year can come into the country with H1Bs, and the number of illegal immigrants are in the...what...tens of millions?  If the trade is Tom Homan hiring Hoppe Physical Removal (tm) services of the nearly ten million illegal for 90k -> 100k/year H1Bs, then fine.

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>>1135

>>1137
>picrel
It's a lot more than 11 million. It has to be nearly 80 million by now.

>>1138
I was trying to strongman the argument by choosing the lower bound, but going by electoral data, you're probably right.

I thought I'd pass along some dystopian stuff an Iowan friend of mine saw:

https://youtu.be/0bWKwV9OHxI

>>1110
Your link is full of JS cancer.

>This is fraud (claiming that UPFs are not carcinogenic for many, many year).
If a product makes you sick in an unexpected way then sue the vendor for damages (medical bills, lost income etc.)

>You chose to stuff that food down your throat.
If you choose to consume sugar or fentanyl then the risks are yours to bear. I guess the difference is that breakfast cereal is not supposed to give you cancer though. 

>>1118
>Corvettes are not an accurate indicator of value, because the modern corvette uses less man-hours per car than the 1971 version.
Which is reflected by the gold and silver prices going down. Only the dollar price went up because that's how much value paper money lost in the intervening time.

>Furthermore, Corvettes are designed to meet a specific price point. A price point high enough to preclude most people from buying one because of it's limited use
They are literally made of plastic. $70,000 is nothing for a modern car. They're not a status symbol like Ferraris they are supposed to be cheap and fast to compete with other fast/cheap american junk like Mustangs and Chargers.

>Value fluctuations will therefore be invisible if you use the Corvette.
Except the graphic you're responding to is not invisible.

>49.8/1.6 = 31.125 man-hours/oz gold
>2253.192/7.25 = 310.79 man-hours/oz gold
The more fiat they print the less value it has and they can't print gold or silver out of thin air. It's not complicated.

>muh joooooos
I don't give a fuck who it is. If central bankers are not jews I'm still going to throw them out of a helicopter.

>>1120
>Would corporations exist in anarchocapitalism?
Corporations are a legal fiction created and protected by government,

>>1125
>What is the libertarian solution to the foreign workers problem?
What problem? Illegal workers only have an advantage over you because they don't pay taxes. The libertarian solution is for you to not pay taxes either.

>>1127
>Watch companies staffed solely by DEI hires and pajeets go broke.
Exactly.

>>1156
>Illegal workers only have an advantage over you because they don't pay taxes.
H1B workers aren't illegal workers.

>>1157
How does what you say counter what >>1156 said?  There are something like 11 million (lower end estimates I've seen) illegal immigrants acting as foreign workers in the U.S..  H1Bs are like 100k.  It makes sense that >>1156 is not talking about H1Bs.

If things can get so bad in Argentina that they elect Milei, I wonder if the fires in California have finally made things so bad there that they might start changing their minds.

>>1157
>H1B workers aren't illegal workers.
Well the only advantage H1B workers have over you is that they're better at their jobs so stop being a whiny socialist and git good.

>>1161
Would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

>>1161
BlackRock quits 'Net Zero' initiative at perfect time as woke policies contribute to devastating LA fires

BlackRock’s timing couldn’t be better: It literally exited a weird, self-serving and futile environmental virtue signaling coalition of companies, sponsored by the unctuous bureaucrats at the United Nations no less, as Los Angeles was being burned to the ground because of woke climate policies.

Corporate leaders are getting the memo, while progressives are left to sift through the ashes.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/business/blackrock-quits-net-zero-initiative-at-perfect-time-as-woke-policies-contribute-to-devastating-la-fires/

>>1163
Based Blackrock

>>1163
>as Los Angeles was being burned to the ground because of woke climate policies
This is new to me.  I've heard the opposite argument, that "LA burned because we weren't following woke climate policies _enough_," but how does the opposite argument work?

>>1163
>BlackRock quits 'Net Zero' initiative at perfect time as woke policies contribute to devastating LA fires
That makes me suspicious. The only reason they would back off is because they have a plan to get what they want another way. Assuming any of this is true and controlled opposition isn't just making shit up as usual.

>>1157
They only work harder because THE STATE will kick them out of the country if they don't do their job right. If it weren't for the state, they would probably have the same work ethic as everyone else.

I don't really get the DOGE thing.  SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are so huge at this point that you could cut p much everything else and still have massive deficits.  So, wtf is really the goal here?

On that topic, I don't understand the optimism in the U.S..  The gov has to go bankrupt p soon.

Would something like Ford vs Dodge apply to a libertarian society?

>>1165
Incompetence in diversity hire/promotions, and by refusing to do controlled cuts of the forests "for the environment".

Any thoughts on the bevy of Trump EOs today?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_orders_in_the_second_presidency_of_Donald_Trump
>>1173
Ah.
>>1172
What does this question even mean?  Like are you asking "Would Ford and Dodge exist in a libertarian society?"

>>1174
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
Idiot.

Has anyone else made the joke that Trump technically did pardon Ross on "day 1," because computer scientists count from 0?
>>1175
You know, >>1170 has a point.  Good luck getting an answer to your question.

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>>1177
>Has anyone else made the joke that Trump technically did pardon Ross on "day 1," because computer scientists count from 0?
No.
That's all I wanted to say.
We did it, he's free.

Is this REALLY going to be a declassification of JFK/MLK? Or is it just going to be pages covered in black again?

>>1179
Trump just tweeted that the MLK declassification will be translated into ebonics to show solidarity with his yuge black supporter numbers.

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McKinleyism about to get BTFO'd the biggest since Smoot-Hawley.

>>1175
>Idiot
It wasn't clear what you were talking about.

>the Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford had to operate the Ford Motor Company in the interests of its shareholders, rather than in a manner for the benefit of his employees or customers
The government telling a company owner how to run his company would not apply to a libertarian society.

>The Court was called upon to decide whether the minority shareholders could prevent Ford from operating the company in the direction that he had declared.
Unless there was some explicit contract in place when they invested then those minority shareholders can fuck themselves.

>>1177
>a day starts when I wake up
He did it within the first 24 hours, that's what a day is.

>>1171
>I don't really get the DOGE thing. So, wtf is really the goal here?
The goal is the same as always, use political connections to fuck over competitors while keeping your own gravy train going. The only thing that's new is that the oligarchs are standing on stage beside the president instead of whispering in his ear at private dinners.

It's nice that Elon retweets libertarian talking points but in the end of the day basically all his wealth comes from government contracts and subsidies he is the biggest welfare queen there is. If you want to troll a leftist then remind them that the only reason Elon is a billionaire is because they pay taxes.

>>1169
People who are better than you will still be better than you without the state.

>>1179
I wouldn't get your hopes up it's not like they will keep evidence of their own crimes and conspiracies.

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>>1181

>>1183
>>Idiot
>It wasn't clear what you were talking about.
I'm kinda disappointed someone replied to him :/
>He did it within the first 24 hours, that's what a day is.
Fair enough, but I was also trying to make a joke...
>If you want to troll a leftist then remind them that the only reason Elon is a billionaire is because they pay taxes.
I've tried this tack against commies so many times. Every time they essentially say, "Lobbying IS capitalism." There's no winning the semantics game against commies.
>I wouldn't get your hopes up it's not like they will keep evidence of their own crimes and conspiracies.
Ye, figures.
>>1181
Apparently, the tariffs are just a negotiating tactic threat?

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Turns out MSM is funded by the government. It's no longer a conspiracy theory.

Also, just wanted to post this image, because I am just sick and fucking tired of this "fact checking via pedantry" bullshit. "POLITICO DIDN'T RECEIVE MILLIONS IN FUNDS FROM USAID!" -> "...they received it from the U.S. government in general..." Like fuck right off with that bullshit, you know what is meant by the claim.

I know they do it all the time, but more and more lately it's really getting on my fucking nerves.

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>>1188
Huh, it's blowing up past just Politico. Looks like those Gamergaters were right about their conspiracy theories after all.

>>1188
It is also a Hatch Act violation, a federal felony carrying a penalty of up to ten years in prison.

These confirmations of what we all already knew are amusing enough, but I haven't heard about any arrests.  Wake me up when Senators are walking around the exercise yard at USP Marion wearing prison orange. Until then it's all theater and the next Democrat elected to the Presidency will undo it all by executive order five seconds after taking the oath of office.

>>1195
I don't think the DOJ is at all big enough to do that many prosecutions. Maybe it's a matter of prioritization?

In a libertarian society, is it okay to harvest the organs of the dead, even if they weren't explicitly organ donors?

>>1212
In a libertarian society people don't do organ transplants as modern medicine is all about trading freedom for safety and when caught playing with human organs you are accused of witchcraft and are thus promptly lynched.

>>1212
>How many layers of personal freedom, economic liberty are you?
<idk, maybe 5 or 6, lol
>Haha, watch this
IS NECROPHILIA O.K. IF THEY CONSENTED TO IT BEFORE THEIR DEATH?

>>1215
Yes
>>1212
>>1213
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZ-BHBKyos
God I love this scene.

The way the music just DROPS and you just focus on the action. No CGIs, gratuitous explosions, music, or even dialog. JUST the motors, wheels, suspension, and guts. The cars don't do "Dukes of Hazard" jumps off of cliffs, but still manage to hurt with each "THUNK" you hurt the suspension get beat to hell on those San Fran hills. Hubcabs fly off, paint scratches, hell even the not-fully-edited-out cut of them accidentally hitting someone's parked car while swerving around a turn.

I wish more...things in general knew how to shut the fuck up and let it speak for themself.

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>>1237
>>643
>>676
>>971
>>30
I think maybe libertarians ought to brush up on their tradecraft.
picrel.

>>1218
>voting yes and no like a democrat
You can't into anarchy. 
>>1215
Even eating dead flesh isn't inherently illegal in today's times (including in developed nations). Stupid asses.

*dead human fleash

I was daydreaming the other day about how boomer news and cable channels would be like if they were libertarian:
>History Channel doing their umpteenth documentary on the American Revolution instead of WW2.
>"Weird Aliens" guy would be replaced with Tom Dilorenzo complaining about Abraham Lincoln.
>Crypto miners reality TV drama instead of ice road truckers.
>CBS exposé on the 2012 Smith-Mundt bullshit and history of Operation Mockingbird instead of a softball interview with Harris.
>CNN complaining about how many gov contracts Amazon has instead of anti-unionization hitpieces.
>Local news networks would be a ripe field of John Stossels.
>News articles about "When are we going to get rid of social security already?" instead of "How are we going to fund social security?"
One can dream.

Is there any evidence--other than prohibition which was nearly a fucking century ago and dealt with tame booze--of drug legalization reducing violent crime?

I don't know anyone irl that I can be honest about my libertarian political opinions with.

>>1245
>Crypto miners reality TV drama instead of ice road truckers.
I don't know dude ice road trucking is pretty libertarian. Ice road truckers staring Reed Coverdale that's what I want to see.

>>1247
>Is there any evidence--other than prohibition which was nearly a fucking century ago and dealt with tame booze--of drug legalization reducing violent crime?
Bob Murphy was talking about exactly this recently if you want a good breakdown of the economic arguments from a real economist.
https://mises.org/podcasts/human-action-podcast/perfecting-libertarian-argument-dealing-drug-cartels

>>1250
Actually, that Bob Murphy podcast was exactly what I was responding to. He does give a lot of good arguments, but I was looking for good examples.

Also, I'd surprised he didn't say "bootleggers and baptists" in that entire argument (maybe he did, but I at least don't remember it by name).

Does freeganism violate the NAP?

>>1253
>I was looking for good examples
In countries where prostitution is legal pimps don't go around shooting each other. Pimps don't even exist. In counties where weed is legal, weed sellers don't go round shooting each other. It's just economics. Mcdonalds doesn't firebomb burgerking because it's not profitable.

>>1255
>Does freeganism violate the NAP?
You mean dumpster diving for food? Not necessarily. Ideally you just negotiate a deal with the supermarkets, restaurants, bakeries etc. to take the stuff they can't sell off their hands at the end of the day and you don't even have to deal with the dumpsters.

There are probably statist reasons why you can't do that now though, regulations, health codes, liability etc. It's not theft to take something somebody has thrown out anyway. There might be a little bit of trespass involved to get to the dumpster but if the owner doesn't care then they don't care. It's not a crime if there's no victim.

>>1256
>You mean dumpster diving for food? Not necessarily. Ideally you just negotiate a deal with the supermarkets, restaurants, bakeries etc. to take the stuff they can't sell off their hands at the end of the day and you don't even have to deal with the dumpsters.
Doesn't Rothbard say a whole bunch about "abandoned property is free game for homesteading" or something of that sort? I think he said it in the context of a transition from gov property to private property, but shouldn't the same apply to dumpster diving? If I put a padlock on or cage in my dumpster, that's one thing, but if it's open, then shouldn't it be considered "abandoned" and therefore "homesteadable?" I mean you aren't explicitly putting a sign on it by the street saying, "Please take," but it's p. close to that.

>There are probably statist reasons why you can't do that now though, regulations, health codes, liability
It's usually "liability."

Hey, are you and I basically the only posters on this board?

I was thinking about how shit the cost of living in the U.S. overseas territories, and how much the U.S. merchant marine has just utterly collapsed. I know a lot of it is basically scuffled into Marshall Islands COFA flag of convenience bs, but it just gets me wondering...how big of an impact would eliminating the Jones Act be? Like, I know it's a big driver of cost, but how big of an issue is it? Is it just the Jones Act, or what other government interventions are making it terrible?

>>1188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oie9EXpUwso
Nice this is finally getting out.

If you subsidize something, you get more of it, right? So, I know this is super simplistic reasoning, but by that logic, aren't government funded old age programs what's ultimately really responsible for demographic collapse?

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/march-deficit-unexpectedly-tumbles-5-year-low-doge-cracks-down-democrat-money-laundering
>Oh boy, with all this 'corruption finding' and 'money saving' the deficit must be disappearing as we sp--
>It's still there. There's still a significant deficit.
>Well, it must be falling pretty rapi--
>It only made a blip this month.
>Well, it must be a large bli--
>We only have to go back 5 years to find the budget in better shape.
>...fuck it, run the article anyways.
Social security, medicare, and medicaid HAVE to be eliminated, or the U.S. will eventually end in hyperinflationary economic collapse due to them, and continually be in such shape like Argentina for the next century. The mere concept or idea of government entitlements has to be banned and completely obliterated. Their mere notion that government entitlements are anathema to any hope of liberty. There can be no beating around the bush with this bullshit.

Hello 4channers. Why did it take you so long to move to a new board?

>>949 (OP) 
I wonder if this has some relation to the the few whites that are still in country. I've noticed that libertarianism is pretty popular in white enclaves in South africa.

>>1286
Because using altchans was and still is a shitty experience primarily because most of them still have crappy user interfaces.
One of the most valuable elements for me was being able to quickly and easily hide and ignore shit threads and keep and eye on good threads.
As one example on 4chan it took me at most a minute to sift out threads first by switching to creation date ordering by pressing "x" three times then manually holding shift and clicking the thumbnail of any thread out of the 150 or more I didn't like to hide it next press x again to return to bump order to browse, then just nuke anything bad that came up as it appeared, easy and minimally painful even before considering tools like filters, pinning, watchlists. even shitholes like /b/ could be almost pleasant to browse if you left only the two or three tolerable threads alive.
Decent well established offsite third party archives like desu and ghostposting were another nice feature if not part of the actual site.
Of course altchans seem to have such slow posting rates that it's not the biggest deal breaker but most seemingly still lack a way to sort or hide bad threads, or at least if that functionality existed it wasn't easy to find when i tested them out. This zzzchan seems to have a sort and a partly effective hide feature allowing you to sift out threads so I might stick around. I just don't understand why altchans haven't made their boards easier to use it frustrates discussion.
Push factors on 4chan like mod abuse, timers, captcha, handing bans out like candy, active board destruction by mods, tolerance of off topic shit, being so badly run they get their site hacked and users exposed, allowing cloudflare to fuck up image posting breaking archived image tracing, the state of /k/ and /pol/, glowies etc, etc are good reasons to want to leave, but at least make your sites easier to manage and interact with at the basic user level if you want users to stick around.

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>>1290

Do regulations ever REALLY get enforced?
>You have to go through a 28 year apprenticeship to become licensed to be a plumber.
O.k., you do the work yourself, and then throw a $20 to the only 90 year old clueless plumber in the area to sign off on a legal form by having him do something way simpler and don't tell him you did the other work.
>Nobody can exhale any air.
O.k., everybody takes an airplane ride to China whenever they need to exhale.
>Add a 1520% tariff.
O.k., the product goes through New Timor Guaminian Islands to get relabeled, and then that doesn't have the tariff there because we can classify refrigerators as a "human edible product."
>Ban carcinogenic mega-aids virus flavoring agent.
O.k., we'll just sell it as a separate seasoning packet.
>90% income tax on billionaires
O.k., but we don't make any income because we borrow against our income.

I know I love my hyperbole, but where I work is basically doing the tariff example. I've had to help my father do some electrical work and did that to get around state licensure restrictions that stopped him from working on his own property. Whenever I hear about some onerous regulation, it seems like it never actually does or stops anything, all it ever does is just shuffle around where or when it gets done at best. Regulations just feel like a giant shell-game.

The main counterexample I can think of is some place like North Korea, maybe, but you get my point here.

https://youtu.be/HchNA3a9L5E?si=Jml-3KqvnZAg2Q0t
What a confusing, tired, and terrible response to wtfhappenedin1971.com . It reads like the FED got scared of that website and paid of a Youtuber to give the tired, "Ackshually, more government intervention is needed" answer.

>>1330
Now that I think about it, it seems more likely that it's a poor, poor attempt at trying to keep gold prices from blowing up and destroying confidence in the entire system.

Will we ever get an actual audit of the Fed in our lifetime?

>>1338
I really think them repeatedly screaming about the mere possibility of being audited is better for the cause of liberty than if they were audited. C.f., the Pentagon failing their audits every year and nobody batting an eye.

The fact that they dig their heels over the most basic and elementary of oversight and even have the audacity to claim that it somehow harms their "independence" (who really believes they're independent?), tells you all you need to know.

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>Meanwhile, on Zerohedge
Oh my god, I can't possibly understand why Powell isn't lowering interest rates already. Isn't the FED late to the party? How could he still be worried about "inflation?" What do you mean gold is coming close to doubling in a year? Wtf does that have to do with anything?


As a non-sarcastic aside, am I the only one looking at gold prices and getting increasingly scared about a possible hyperinflationary collapse?

>>1340
>a possible hyperinflationary collapse?
A possible hyperinflationary collapse relatively soon?

>>1340
Did I mess up just buying silver?

>>1342
Man, I don't know wtf is going on w/gold:silver ratio. I wouldn't say you screwed up.

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I'm saying this as a millenial: why is my generation so AWFUL?
>Vast majority are ideological nihilistic communists.
>Useless degrees, useless plans for the future.
>All the "successful" males are balding, middle-aged white millennials working in IT.
>Same soy-grin, children's videogame playing, beard-having, smug personal style for men--women all have the same alcoholic, tatted-up, short hair look.
>Complain about how terrible boomers have made their generation, but at the same time are making thing so much more worse for the next generation they make boomers seem almost tolerable.
>Plebbit virtue-hunting affectation
>All the terrible woke villains of the modern era--starting with Sarkesian, etc.--all millenials.
>Greatest technological contributions and refinements are huge net negatives on society: social media being the prime example.
>Writing style is fucking cringeworthy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c
>General millennial culture is so fucking awful the next generation is still watching Gen X shows like Southpark or fucking FRIENDS. How bad is the current spate of shows and culture that Friends is making a comeback?!
Just in general, what millennials have contributed to art, technology, and society is so incredibly awful that I think we should all die. The world would be better off without us. To Gen Alpha and Z, I'm sorry we made it even worse.

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What is the libertarian position on the reason for the collapse of the Roman Empire? Was it the Cura annonae?

>>1350
Dividing up the empire with joint rule between emperors was probably not the brighest idea. I think if it retained sole rule under one emperor the Western half would not have declined economically as much.

>>1350
Have you ever seen Gunnar Heinsohn's theory about historical timeline fakery of the first millenium with fake repeated centuries that only exist on paper and don't exist in the archeological remains. with everywhere getting buried under mud and black dust at the start of what we call the 10th century from a massive cataclysm.
I have a suspicion that part of why this might be hidden involves certain financial theories.
if you feel it resonates with you check out his work, but stick to what can be substantiated through evidence, the more fanciful speculative elements of the fake history topic proposed by some people can be fun or interesting but without evidence you get twisted up in knots and contradictions

https://q-mag.org/gunnar-heinsohn-the-stratigraphy-of-rome-benchmark-for-the-chronology-of-the-first-millennium-ce.html

Has anyone tracked when Trump calls for tariffs and when his family make stock purchases?

>>1366
No.

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SAT analogy for the sake of brevity. Will the following be true?
Liz Truss' political career destroyed:U.K.'s bond market collapse after her 'mini budget' of tax cuts::Trump's political career getting destroyed:U.S.'s bond market collapse after the "Big Beautiful Bill"
You can already see rates spiking just due to it going through the House.

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Have the Roof Koreans made their return in L.A.?

>>1375
>U.S.'s bond market collapse after the "Big Beautiful Bill"
You understand what bonds are right? Why would you lend money to somebody who has no way of paying it back.

>>1389
So that you have a reason to go to war with them or seize their assets.

>>1389
Could you describe to me what you think >>1375 is saying? If I'm an investor in Ford, and I see they're taking on shittons on debt and it's just for their pension plans, I'm bailing, their interest rates are going to fly up through the roof as almost nobody would lend to them--in other words, their little corpo bond market would collapse.
I've heard people saying, "It's called BBB because that's what the U.S. credit rating will be if it passes."

>>1394
Government is both the best and worst organization to lend money to.
Best because they can tax and inflate to raise the money to repay.
Worst because when they finally do default what are you going to do about it.

>I've heard people saying, "It's called BBB because that's what the U.S. credit rating will be if it passes."
The bigger the government debt becomes the more likely it is that they will say "fuck it" and refuse to pay it. You don't want to be the guy holding a ton of bonds when that happens. Either that or they will print their way out of the debt in which case you do get your money back but it will be worthless because milk is $100 a bottle.

>>1398
I don't disagree with a thing you've said, but you write in a tone like what you're writing is contradicting what I'm writing. Sorry, I can't follow the conversation anymore.

>>1399
You said something something Liz Truss something something Trump. I guess I disagree with the implication that whichever clown is currently on stage is causing bad things to happen. The system is fucked at a much more fundamental level.

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Ruh-roh, looks like someone pissed off AIPAC!

>>1422
donation to Massie complete ✅

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>Political party focused on deficit reduction.
Why doesn't Elon just...support the libertarian party instead?

>>1429
Because the Libertarian party is way too woke. Elon is more paleo-conservative and those are such a small number in the Libertarian party. He probably also knows he cannot draw the average American to a Libertarian convention full of trannies and blue haired feminists.

>>1429
Because the national libertarian party already has a reputation as a complete joke (which it is).

>>1431
Do you think Elon's party will be more libertarian than the libertarian party?
Also, why not the Constitution Party?

>>1429
His global warming/EV scam and support of Palantir is not very libertarian.

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What's the libertarian explanation for current year U.K.?

>>1437
High taxation, bullshit laws and systems like ULEZ, being hyper-committed to Agenda 21/30 SDGs, etc.

>>1437
No one would have thought after the fall of the Berlin Wall that Eastern Europe would ever surpass Western Europe. And yet here we are.

When's the last time liberty has increased in the West?

>>1437
https://youtube/watch?v=Fq8-gl2YsCc

>>1440
1904

Is it libertarian to support this?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401

Why is China's economy seem to have so much more deflationary pressure compared to other economies?
Why does it continue to have DECADES of high growth despite being shit in economic freedom index scores?

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https://mises.org/power-market/resignation-scientific-advisory-board-ludwig-von-mises-institute-germany

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I kind of want to counter-protest Guido & Co.. This purity spiral shit is insane. Why isn't Ron Paul held to the same standard?

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Kowloon Walled City:  the last anarchocapitalist place on Earth.

>>1473
Why do ancap examples always come down to dirty ass places like this and Somalia?

>>1474
The other classics are medieval Ireland and Iceland. But what gets me about Kowloon is like most things socialists hate, it feels like 90% of the hate is the aesthetic. Like they don't like the hygiene of the place.
>Complain about lack of sanitation.
<Delivered food to nearly every restaurant in Hong Kong.
>Complain about lack of regulation.
<All the dentists/doctors in Kowloon were trained--just not in Hong Kong so they "couldn't practice there."
>Complain about lack of building codes.
<Not being amazed that literal skyscrapers build by peasants didn't have issues for a half century.
Etc..
They delete places like this because it makes them lose face.

Is sex with a non-sober person a NAP violation?

>>1476
No, since they were passed out they actually caused you to desire to fornicate with them. Which means they violated the NAP against you.

How do you stop "pulling up the ladder behind oneself" rent seeking regulation?
How do you get normies to realize that this is 99.9% of all regulation?

What do libertarians say about places like Singapore? It has a very powerful, centralized government and few personal liberties, but it has a strong economy.

>>1479
>It has a very powerful, centralized government and few personal liberties
It's literally #1 on the index of economic freedom.
https://www.heritage.org/index/pages/all-country-scores

>>1479
Are these the same people who say Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are democratic socialist countries?

So, what is the libertarian solution to the unaffordability of housing? Seems like putting restrictions on investment firms like BlackRock from buying up all the properties and turning them into rentals is anathema to libertarian philosophy. Also do their actions constitute a psychological violation of the NAP?

>>1482
>Seems like putting restrictions on investment firms like BlackRock
Not exactly. The biggest restriction you could put on BlackRock is STOP PRINTING MONEY FOR THEM. This would also help out a whole lot with the affordibility crisis in general, and how real wages have completed stagnated. C.f., wtfhappenedin1971.com .
There's also a lot of general hypocrisy with this question, because everyone says that they want affordable housing (c.f. ever local city project meeting where the sentence "I am very in very of affordable housing, but I have a few concerns about this particular project..." is uttered); but then when it comes to giving construction permits, reducing zoning restrictions, making a permit not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, reducing occupational licensure hoops (e.g., in many places you have to get an apprenticeship, and the only places that offer apprenticeships only hire their immediate kin), etc.--you never see those laws which increase the cost of real estates by sometimes millions USD ever repealed or reduced. And it makes sense, because real estate companies and rich companies lobby local government to do that to keep THEIR real estate values high.

>>1483
> real estate companies and rich companies
I meant to say
>  real estate companies and rich boomers

>French government just collapsed confidence  vote.
>Nepalese government just outright collapse.
>Indonesian mass protests.
>Japanese PM resigns.
>Bolivian socialist party loses nearly all support.
>7 German AFD party members assassinated (let's call it what it is).
All within a month of each other.

>>1485
Wake me up when Israel collapses.

>>1486
You might as well kys because you're going to be asleep for the rest of your life.

>>1483
>The biggest restriction you could put on BlackRock is STOP PRINTING MONEY FOR THEM.
And stop legally forcing workers to invest in pension funds managed by blackrock.

Illegal immigration is just corporate labor subsidies, right?

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>Feel good because my gold/silver horde is flying up in value.
>Feel bad because it really just means everything else I own is devaluing rapidly.

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>>1523
>it really just means everything else I own is devaluing rapidly.
Not quite. Everything you own maintains its value just fine, it's the dollar the only thing that's losing value.

>>1524
Is...is that a gif from Power Rangers?

How much more government needs to be in American healthcare before Americans realize that government healthcare is a bad idea?

>>1524
>your items are assets growing ever more powerful
Planned obsolescence negates this.
>>1525
I feel that it is too but also want to make a LOTR joke for some reason. 
<that's just the new Elrond actor keeping the Ring safe in a prequel that will come out in 2032

Predictions for what will happen in NYC now?

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This is our age's "Let them eat cake" statement.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-police-raid-a-libertarians
German libertarian's house is raided for calling government workers 'parasites.'
Meanwhile, in Argentina, this man is President:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiTEPDB2VgY

>>1530
At that point you're just renting.
Central bank monetary games make it more economical to rent than own. If you're renting, you don't own anything. If you don't own anything, then you aren't going to support private property. If you don't support private property, then you aren't going to support capitalism.
Socialism is an inevitability with the continued existence of central banks.

>Be a major corporation
>Totally and 100% willing to seek political rents in the form of corporate subsidies, regulatory capture, tax deferments, etc..
>Completely and 100% unwilling to seek political rents in the form of CALLING OUT AND STOPPING FUCKING SHOPLIFTING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T91r3wdvzX4

This was a pretty good rant:
https://youtu.be/77CacLBmk7c?si=ZVhLaj6mfTSXnTZe

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What is the libertarian rebuttal to the story where a FSP town got overrun by bears?

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project

>>1536
>After one particularly vicious attack, a shadowy posse formed and shot more than a dozen bears in their dens. This effort, which was thoroughly illegal
These guys sound pretty awesome despite the journalist's best attempts to smear them.

>>1537
Also, residents complaining about bears is the worst thing he could find? Not even a single statistic of how big the 'bear problem' was before and after? Maybe I'm just a libertarian used to being dragged through the mud, but that actually sounds kind of tame to some of the shit I'm used to being made fun of and blamed for. Like, nothing about rampant drug use, noise ordinance issues, road repair falling to ruin, government budget getting destroyed by a lack of revenue, sob story about social service lady getting run out of town, nudist group, people open carrying near a school, etc.. Fuck me, I'm a libertarian and I think I could write a thousand hit pieces WAY better! The best you had was this?!

https://youtu.be/kKrBDsFBlxw?si=ellDLOmIxX9A56BK
If you live in the UK, why?

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Why is it so hard for me to find libertarian arguments? E.g., product enshitification is obviously caused because of major corporations lobbying the government for more regulations:
>Compressor manufacturers lobbied for worse refrigerants. ( https://www.regulations.gov/comment/EPA-HQ-OAR-2025-0005-0112 -- I'll only give this source, I can't be arsed scouring through regulations.gov , but this is where I've gotten this stuff).
>Car companies lobbying for CAFE standards.
>Dishwasher/washing machine companies lobbying for water conservation regulations.
>Printers lobbying for more 'digital security' regulations.
>Etc.
Yet everyone accepts it unquestioningly that major corporations love deregulation. Like I can't even FIND the other side anywhere. It's hard even to find this argument on Mises' search.

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Any libertarian takes on the Nick Fuentes v. Piers Morgan debate? I've to admit, I can't stomach to watch it myself, but the reaction has been interesting. I've heard people call this "The end of Boomerism."

Why in the world does this speech go so fucking hard with this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ6zUS-z-CY

>>1543
TL;DR
Piers tried to use social shaming to get Nick to renounce his views and Nick doubled down and then just made fun of him.

I found this "Concrete legitimacy" thing interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KFZ3rauR9s
I know it's a "Duh, everyone knows about this," but you know I don't think it is well known. Quick description:
>Rent a warehouse.
>Do a PR thing to say it's a business aligned with government values.
>Get loans, subsidies, MAINLY government grants, etc..
>You and your friends take wages and pocket it.
>Business goes under. Blame it on "Market conditions" when there were never such conditions in the first place.
>Drop the warehouse and move on to the next grift.

Maduro getting caught isn't going to change anything in Venezuela.

>>1556
>trigger word detected
Sorry but you've activated me: 

I doubt Venezuela was needing to be changed. Trump was probably just jealous that he can't' be a president for 25 years like Maduro and felt like being petty. *shrugs* I also like to imagine the USA in general dick waving at Russia saying "see this is what we could do to you! I'm comin' for ya Putin!" in some immature bullshit way. Feel my powah as they attack the wrong nation. We do commerce with Venezuela but like an abusive drunk Uncle would you've got Sammy-boy punching it's friend in the eye because he can't beat up his daddy Russia wherein the Caucasis Mountians actually reside, where whites actually come from in christian mythology. Jealousy again, that Russia is whiter by far than the USA and also closer to holy lands in general. I wish they'd cock back and nuke us to shut us the fuck up. Actions speak louder than words and all so why not just nuke something small like Jew York? Nobody would miss it anyway.  With think tanks being forced at gunpoint to give Sammy-boy advice I'm sure it's on their todo list to let Russia nuke NYNY as they're trying to let the Arabs invade it, what with how jews hate Muslims once it's Muslim then they'll let it be nuked. Then they'll say some jewish bullhsit about how they turned from god and we'll go to war with Russia plus the middle east, but only after they replace the Jew York with sand niggers to please the jewish need for war mongering with the Arabs. How many thousands of years did they use black oil, the middle east? It's like a fetish with these people and they 100 percent have Musk micro-managing things to make sure we never get electric cars again as that'd take away the fetishism. Why else would he be so rich? It's a literal ((( holy oil ))) to them, these faggots. They go on about how long their precious lamp lasted in their bibles. I could shit a better narrative than this. 
>drugs are bad you don't get it
All drugs should be legalized lest you like enabling cartels to sell it anyway. 

Shoutout to Koreans for being retarded and not killing Trump when he visited years ago. We cut their nation in half, supplied the S Koreans with guns and shit to oppose them, etc, we are the enemy. Fatass gook was afraid of dying and nothing more and trump is being a faggot because he's got one leg in the grave. Same with putin, they're old and so they attack their little nations like bullies, slavs attacking slavs, US attacking it's little oil buddies. It's funny that people are so stuipd that they act like Biden can be a simple scapegoat so we can pretend 'oh the usa didn't do it it was him HE DID IT' when that will lead to a demand for the US to get rid of it's presidency as a function forever so as to remove the excuse. If the world had real justice at the very least our war mongering presidents would be the ones in handcuffs. 
>bushes
>clinton 
>biden
>now trump 
Eisenhower  was a sissy bitch also. He'd have enjoyed prison rape so I'm leaving him out. Reminder that Lincoln was a tyrant also. Fuck the US's entire history for the fact that they made a liqour tax going back to Washington. May everyone that even lived in the USA ever even once for any reason at all (except it's natives such as the Mexicans and the Indjins) burn in hell forever. Guilt by association. If I were your jesus I'd spit you out. Like a nigger claiming it's one of the good ones, you can miss me with that gay shit. 
<but there is a single man left in sodom and gomorrah, BELIEVE!
I do believe there would have been non-sinners in a giant city, but would you really care? You would not and god would not. You are damned. Not that I even believe in god. The only reason people want more cops and more prisons and less drugs to be had is that they want the Earth to be more hell than heaven due to abrahamic self hatred over their all being homosexuals. Say ur a fag and ur christian and in power, you can't have fun so you ruin everyone else's fun. Misery loves company after all, ergo Uncle Sam is a gay drunk uncle punching it's friend in the eye because he wants to fuck Russians up the ass but can't. Remember, when the society bullies someone for no reason it's because it has issues, and in this case gay ones. Why else did they go on about the lgbt so hard recently?

tl;dr: none of that shit matters that you see on the news it's gay and from a gay nation

>>1529
Oh hai!
>let Russia/Korea/etc nuke NYNY after letting it turn Muslim as that pleases the jew cock, fucking Muslims up the ass 
>>1520
Illegal immigration is the lack of an all seeing eye of which means you can still get away with breaking the law as long as it keeps happening. That and to run away from a nation that door is two way and if there is no door then oh well, you just got controled little goy. 
>>1486
The ((( bible ))) goes on abuot how those who stand against isreal are le cursed so it's never going to happen until everyone becomes muslim but that won't happen because everyone keeps letting the jews tell them to attack muslims and while we could go full fedora (atheist)  a bunch of idiots think ad hominems are a good thing and so nobody ever will become that edgy/wise because they think christians/etc Abrahamic worshipers cause peaceful behavior, of which is nutty. Even non-abrahmic worshipers hated fedoras as they image things being awful if edgy people took over when in reality a parent whipping their child like it's a slave just because the bible told them to is what's really edgy, that and telling them if they commit suicide they'll go to hell forever and etc. These sick people that believe in Abrahamic mythology rule the world and China nor India can save you nor do they want to. 
>>1476
Not if you're female. 
>>1461
As china censors negativity to prevent civil unrest there is no telling what is going on over there. 
>>1446
Even caring about a bill  of any kind is anti-libertarian. The only thing libertarian about bills is when the President does his actual job and vetos them. 
>>1442
What happened then other than them getting ready to ban opium and other drugs? The crack down on opiates starst in 1909 in the USA if I recall. 
>>1440
The Mafia circa 1920ish-1950ish and the Hippies circa 1960-1970ish made an attempt but it backfired bigtime. The USA has only ever lost rights over time, not gained them. 
>>1437
If the goyim save up money they will retire and if everyone retires the rich will be super mad and also jealous so they artificially make prices higher and inflate the money and such to keep the goyim working.

I've been interested recently in how much of our product enshittification is caused by government regulations. It occurs to me that an interesting book idea would be of the format:
Product - What's shitty about it nowadays - Which regulation(s) has/have caused the enshittification - How to DIY it.
Examples:
Washing Machine - They're $2k brand new and sometimes require subscriptions, insane electronics, and a wifi connection - Water conservation standards - Bucket design/plunger design--there's a lot of DIY designs out there that are super cheap.
Cars - Spyware infested, remote shut down, "onboard entertainment" bloat, subscriptions, etc. - CAFE and safety regulations - car kits.
Etc.

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It is as if the E.U. and the U.K. are handing their publishing industry over to the U.S. on a sliver platter at this point.

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Are there any libertarian spaces online that aren't fedded to hell, where one can discusses the finer points of liberty? there genuinely seems to be no good forums, discord servers, or imageboards of people who still believe in libertarianism, that arent atleast completely dead like this place.

On that same note, i think we should aggressively shill this board to online political spaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ
I bet you they're going to blame everything on monopolies, and not the regulations incentivizing massive centralization and enshittification.
https://storage02.forbrukerradet.no/media/2026/02/breaking-free-pathways-to-a-fair-technological-future.pdf
I fucking called it.
Nothing about the digital dots and registration requirement laws for printers that make them shitty.
Nothing about the water conservation laws that make washing machines and dishwashers have bullshit control boards and wifi to work.
Nothing about the new safety regs on cars (c.f. the automatic driving regs in the states) that make it so every car HAS to have an enormous amount of software on them. Or how they all HAVE to have remote stop capabilities.
Nothing about all the data privacy laws that require ridiculous customer data retention.
Nothing about the mere talk of age verification laws that have recently made every online site even shittier and REQUIRE logins.
ZERO TALK about that.
It's ALWAYS ONLY capitalism's fault.
They NEVER see the government's hand in this. They can't even know that this POV exists!