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by reading the books you see how retarded they are

Old testament should do it for itself, if any not-jew objectively reads the thing to discover the "holy men" are all low-brow scumbags by and large. For the new testament, I just learned that king Herod was dead four years before Christ was even born, according to an Emil Schurer who devoted a large portion of his academic career to studying the jews around the time of "Christ's ministry," such as it were. That did it for me, since anyone ordering a bunch of babies under 2 to be slaughtered because one particular baby got away is insane, and hebrews are known far and wide for having quite the imaginations when it comes to heaping false depravities on individuals who didn't deign to bend the knee to them. 
Which is something the actual King Herod was known for, by the way, as he made his career hunting bandits in that region, most of whom were undoubtably dirty little kikes, and so by and large was hated by them, and vice versa.

>>47
Emil Schürer, that is.

>>47
you do realize most Christan's don't even bother with the old testament reading just radicalizes Christians against kikes imao the whole thing is one big pile of kike crimes and why god has punished them

>>92
Three-fourths of Mainline Protestants disagree with you, I grew up around these freaks and they all constantly talk about the OT if religion is even mentioned, it does not and never has radicalized any christnigger against kikes, it's there to reinforcer the ((( Chosen ))) narrative.

Ya mainline most of them believe in god but don't even touch a bible once in their lifetime they can get nitpick bible quotes all they want but Jews are not the chosen people the old testament jew muh chosen people porn

>>8 (OP) 
For any persons who are ardently against Abrahamics, I have found sources that can shore up your arguments.

A pertinent website regarding the scholarship of the bible: https://archive.ph/jO9O5

Russel Gmirkin is the author's name. The premise of his works is such; the Old Testament originates from Septuagint texts written by Jews during the period 270 - 250 B.C. Owing to their vicinity to Hellenic states, they drew primarily from Plato's work, particularly Timaeus and the Law, to conjure up a semi-historical framework for the 'Chosen' Jews to abide by.

https://archive.ph/hi6Bw
>Plato's Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts

https://archive.ph/K643E
>Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible

This is a website dealing with the origins of YHWH as a figure belonging to a polytheistic pantheon that was worshipped on the Elephantine Islands
https://archive.ph/GYpw7
>Reconstructing the Pantheon of Judean Elephantine

Here are some articles written by Laurent Guyénot in regards to Zionism, the Torah, and Yahweh:

https://archive.ph/GfGsS
Zionism, Crypto-Judaism, and the Biblical Hoax

https://archive.ph/0SpMP
The Devil's Trick: Unmasking the God of Israel

https://archive.ph/6DfUE
The Holy Hook
Yahweh’s Trojan Horse into the Gentile City

https://archive.ph/ZQ5tV
How Yahweh Conquered Rome
Christianity and the Big Lie

https://archive.ph/ivQwH
Israel as One Man: A Theory of Jewish Power

https://archive.ph/cnTJ4
The Arabian Cradle of Zion
Moses, Muhammad, and Wahhabo-Zionism

Bonus: Two articles that feature some serious schizoposting and a much more esoteric take on the Bible's scholarship and the inauthenticity of Zionism. Also features Qaballah heavily alongside Nordic mythology.
https://archive.ph/Jj8yL
https://archive.ph/GkDk

You can save this as a copypasta, modify, update it, etc.

>>92
Anon, the OT either does not truly encourage or has failed numerously to spread hostility against jews. Christians could read the testaments a hundred times and their attitudes will either still be neutral or sympathetic. The problem here is that Christian theology is totally blind to race and sees it that jews and Aryans are of the same tribe, therefore judaism is not a separate from Europeans, but both races descend from Abraham despite their cultural differences and religion. In the esoteric sense, Christianity will always be jewish no matter how much they claim to different. Everything they believe come from people who are of the tribe as the jews.

>>116
not a troll but has anyone read satanisgod.org? what about the locked vatican bible?
also why does ((( fedschan ))) push religion so hard /pol/? is christianity actually kiked by design?
im agnostic yet i hate jews and thier degeneracy im not one of those C0$ shoving loons

>>125
Do you follow the bullshit from Satanisgod.org?

>>125
>push religion so hard /pol/
new fag detected

>>248
it was fedschan they also had /matomo/ enabled at one point

>>128
no i just saw it on 4chan long ago i have no idea what is real and what is not

>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
By getting active and making things happen. Once we have a strong core of white men and women living in truth and riding the tiger, it won't matter what people are programmed for.
>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatible with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
Simple - it's the same old Jewish shit where everyone is guilty of sin until the holy Jew, conscience of the goyim, forgives them. A religion focused on recruiting the weak with promises of equality before an absent jewish god has no place in a life-loving, healthy and truthful Aryan society.

>>248
We're all fags here.

>>281
this is so true and no projection

Just enslave them
Send the men bombs
Womens

How hard could it be

Will let japan have korea if we redo sino jp conflict

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I wonder if the anon who posted lot about Zero (polytheism) vs One (monotheism) is here, I always appreciated his high-quality effortposts. It's a shame 16chan went down so quickly that not enough was archived, Atleast we have this archived page here, Here's a sense of what his posts were like:
https://archive.ph/9lOGv

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>>379
I remember getting into a long convo with that anon. I drew a doodle to try to capture the idea of Aryan souls transcending the demiurge/One, pic related (I wonder if a swastika in the middle would be better?)
iirc he also said that the Genesis account was based on misunderstood ancient glyphs that were really about the fall of Atlantis, eg the flaming sword wasn't literal, but represented all-out warfare. interesting stuff

christian lolcow raiding tvch and other sites of webring is a cuck after all.

>>8 (OP) 
In the short term, there's only so much we can do. We lack the kind of institutional power the enemy has, such as the media and academia. Christianity is dying out, but only to be replaced by something even more gay and jewish, effectively erasing anything that was redeeming (anything that was European) about Christianity. 
For now, we can do our best to show white christians the very jewish and anti-white problems with their theology, but at the same time we also need to offer up some alternative lest they fall into secularism. We could try and retvrn to old European faiths or maybe start something new based off of them. 
When we get into actual power is when we can really start to make a difference. This is where we will have the institutional power to spread our new theology (whatever that ends up being) while denying that institutional power to the church. The normie normally follows whoever he pecieves to be the strongest. We can see this from how quickly they drop their "christian values" to move up in the social heirarchy. We won't have to genocide or persecute christians, just need keep them out of power. Just like pagan normies of ancient times dropped their traditions and converted to christianity, I believe the christians and the secularists will just as quickly drop theirs in order to "get with the times" and move up in the social heirarchy. Think of it as a sort of "Trickle-down" effect where those lower in the social heirarchy adopt the traditions and customs of those higher on the social hierarchy in order to be favored and celebrated by those leaders. Within a century, the only ones remaining will be small pockets of "true believers", which we can then contrive some outrage to do away with altogether. That is how paganism was killed by christianity, it's how Christianity is being killed by secularism, and it's how we will kill abrahamist mind-virus altogether.

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>>125
>satanisgod.org
That domain belongs to Joy of Satan Ministries, a neopagan-ufo-nordic-luciferian weird cult. They're fucking creepy and most members are degenerates and retards, but they have some good arguments against Christianity.

>>714
Indeed, they are from the Joy of Satan. I have followed them in the past, they have a decent amount of information that exposes the christkike hoax and the fact that Judeo-Christian demons are just ancient Pagan gods turned into monsters to adoctrinate pagan gentiles into submission to Abrahamic religionn through fear propaganda ("Oy vey, goy is worshipping demons, you are going to get demon-posessed, embrace christianity NOW!") might enlighten a few Abrahamists into leaving their Jewish religion to return to their Pagan roots or might also radicalize them even more, it depends. But the whole nordic alien nazi UFO in Antarctica shit kept me away from it becaue it is just too schizo, also it is cringy how they refer to the "RTR" (Reverse Torah Rituals) as if they were killing Jews telepathically or something like that when they are just drawing hebrew letters in a paper, doing some weird scribble over them and then erasing them. The meditations they have are a little meh. In general I would recommend to use it as a source to get anti-christian and pro-pagan material, but not join them.

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>>379
>>384
I am back, I will probably make another thread in here. Missed this board.

>>822
Don't you know that the Talmud was created WAYYY after Christianity, you dumb nigger?

>>837
You mean someone decided to make a collection/commentary of beliefs and practices established long before that?

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>>822
Welcome back! I wanted to ask you on your thoughts on Procopius's "The Secret History" detailing the degenerate state of Byzantine society as well the disgusting actions of Justinian and his whore wife whom funnily enough reminds me of Shillary Clinton and Ghislaine Maxwell for which 'Orthodox' christcucks deny it and seethe about it's existence, calling it 'propaganda'.
I'll post a link to it, It is interesting that near the end of the video he mentions connections of Druids with Magi.
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=PehCn_3kyw4

>>850
That video it's pretty good. It's funny how Justinian's whore wife was canonized as an "Orthodox Saint".

>>384
>Aryan souls transcending the demiurge/One
First off, the Demiurge is not the One, as the Demiurge is one hypostasis away from the One; secondly, nothing transcends the One, as unity is the minimal condition for anything to be said to exist; finally, a union or reversion to the One itself would be transcendence, at least transcendence to contingent existence.
>Genesis account was based on misunderstood ancient glyphs that were really about the fall of Atlantis
I'm not sure what inkling illiterate, semi-nomadic goat-herders could have of a myth that Plato literally invented for the purposes of dialogue; all sources for Atlantis depend on Plato and everything else is projection from people who were also inspired by Plato to sail the world in search for Atlantis.

>>850
I will look into it

>>892
Demiurge is a conscious manifestation of One, a "god" (inherent principles rooted in monadic schema, commensurate topological potential and available mathematical operations) attaining a sufficient degree of awareness, ego and conscious agency. One - total monadic potential, Demiurge - (a degree of) actualization of that potential.
>nothing transcends the One
Nothing generated by One (monad) can transcend the One, but there exists a set of greater potential (transcendental infinity) accessible to what was a-priori transcendent. 
>as unity is the minimal condition for anything to be said to exist
Only absolute differentiation substantiates true existence (of entities-into-themselves), and that requires a set where the underlying unity of all things is not possible. 
>a union or reversion to the One itself would be transcendence
Anything generated by One terminates into One, the lowest common denominator. No amount of extension changes the fundamental nature of the entity.

You may wish to look into this thread for more information 

https://zzzchan.xyz/fascist/thread/843.html

>>895
>Demiurge is a conscious manifestation of One
I don't think manifestation is the appropriate term, as that would imply it to be the same entity, which it cannot be since the One, being prior to everything, cannot be dependent on noetic activity; the Demiurge is rather an emanation of the One.
>Only absolute differentiation substantiates true existence
Identity is prior to difference, for the condition of being same is primarily with itself, whilst difference is always predicated of something else; furthermore, differentiation itself is contingent on identity, for if we were not able to definitely say that one thing is what it is, we'd have as little certainty in claiming that it is different from something else, as this would also entail our ability to distinctively identify another.

>>895
I was skimming through your thread and saw this:
<think of the Fibonacci sequence being suggested as the standard of beauty (just with different numbers) or of the Fugue of Bach. It's about finding sequences of very specific properties that can constantly be refined or generate novelty without converging or being the same as another part
Ok, first off, this is wrong; there is no novelty involved in either the Fibonacci sequence or the golden ratio, as both are patterns of self-similarity, meaning each square is cut in the exact same proportion as the previous one, regardless of the numbers being different for p/q each time; also, the Fibonacci sequence is a converging series, it's limit being the golden ratio itself, something you can test yourself by dividing each term in the series by the previous one, gradually approaching the golden ratio.
Honestly I don't know what else to say. It seems like gobbled metaphysics concocted with the sole aim of easing a neurotic fear to be associated with kikes in even the most trifling respect, as though monism is not just amongst the number of things they (mis)appropriated; and I thought the Armanists were crazy.

>>125
>what about the locked vatican bible?
The truth is that if you study various Bible/New Testament codices, you will discover that some of those contain some books that have have been removed from Bible. I'm talking about Shepherd of Hermas (https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/shepherd.html) and Epistle of Barnabas (https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html):
>Barnabas 4:6
>Moreover I ask you this one thing besides, as being one of yourselves and loving you all in particular more than my own soul, to give heed to yourselves now, 
>and not to liken yourselves to certain persons who pile up sin upon sin, saying that our covenant remains to them also.

>Barnabas 4:7
>Ours it is; but they lost it in this way for ever, when Moses had just received it.
>For the scripture saith; And Moses was in the mountain fasting forty days and forty nights, and he received the covenant from the Lord, even tablets of stone written with the finger of the hand of the Lord.

And there are a ton of New Testament manuscripts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_New_Testament_manuscripts
And there are a ton of books that aren't in the Bible:
>https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/index.html
>http://www.gnosis.org/library.html ((Coptic) Gospel of Thomas, etc.)
Who picked the books that are included in the Bible? How the decisions were made?
Also, I find it odd that Mary Magdalene is labeled as "whore" but in the Nag Hammadi Library and (especially) Pistis Sophia she has so central role. Perhaps there were some kind of unchristian fighting over who is the most important figure in the early Church?

So... what we should pray then?

>>850
Decent video, I like how this guy is practically naming them without naming them. Even if the work of Procopius was somewhat biased, she hardly deserved to be canonized as a saint, although Christianity has a long record of canonizing various scoundrels (starting with Abraham) and Orthodox Christianity is not an exemption. It was (and is) equally as vile and as corrupt as the Vatican, with the exception of some hardcore monks and honest (mostly lower ranking) priests. Ironically, it stays truer to its Judaic roots since Catholics were often forced to reform their religion due to political pressure (and incompatibility of European spirit with Abrahamistic faiths).

While sources linking Justinian and his concubine directly to the tribe are scarce, the pattern and the circumstances seem to check out. The use of prostitutes, fortune tellers and other circus retinue to infiltrate high society has been their modus operandi since the times of Abraham, the story of Esther being a prime example. Then we have the debauchery, the extremely cruel and unjust rule (especially against people of Germanic stock) and gradual ruin of society. 

Also, check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian

The transfer of wealth that he mentions was not the only one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople

The more things change, the more they remain the same ... Do you know where did the author find the links with the Druids and Magi?

I'm kind of new to this whole metaphysical stuff, but what is the Aryan soul supposed to transcend?

>>921
>I'm kind of new to this whole metaphysical stuff,
Read Bhagavad-Gītā As It Is: https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/ (it's a great book. don't be put off by your preconceptions)
You may want to read philosophy as well start with Greeks (works of Plato and works of Aristotle).

>>918
In what context?

>>850
Justinian completely destroyed Southern Italy, it still didn't recover to this day.
That place was a major hub of civilization all throughout classical antiquity...
I have nothing against Greeks, but what the Venetians did was kinda self-defense at that point.

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>>919
Not that I know where his source of it from, but he described the etymology of the media and Hollywood in general at 1:10:27

>>924
>Read Bhagavad-Gītā
I thought it was pozzed, because it softly shills ideas that men are all the same?

>You may want to read philosophy as well start with Greeks (works of Plato and works of Aristotle).
I'm not really a fan of philosophy other than Aristotle's, but I'm willingly to read if it is enlighten, although I question Plato as his "teachings" are more in line with what the globalist/jews than what our ancestors knew and wanted.

>>934
> I question Plato as his "teachings" are more in line with what the globalist/jews than what our ancestors knew and wanted.
I don't see the connection between Plato and globalist or jews. But it's true that Platonism may have influenced both Christianity/New Testament and Judaism (see Philo of Alexandria).

But Platonism is certainly different from polytheistic faiths since Plato said that there is the One/Monad who is above all. But Platonism/Neoplatonism doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility of existence of multiple gods (The idea is that there can be a hierarchy of gods/beings where the Monad is at the top. Compare to the texts of Nag Hammadi library for example. The idea in most of text found in the Nag Hammadi library is that the God of Old Testament = Demiurge, who is a lower creator god.).  Plato didn't say that everyone is equal either (see the Myth of Er for example). According to Plato, you will get rewarded/punished according to your good/bad deeds. Also, in Republic, Plato also criticizes both democracy and tyranny, and proposes ideal nation that's lead by philosopher kings. 

And Plato and Aristotle from the basis for the western philosophy which is one of the main reasons why they and their writings are so important.

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>>931
I was wondering if he had provided more information elsewhere, seems to be a good trace. Would you be able to contact him to join the discussion here?

>>934
>>937
Plato was a student of Pythagorean school, and Pythagoras was taught by the Magi, that's how those ideas ended up in Plato's philosophy, although Plato was booted from the Pythagorean school because some of his ideas were too 'radical' (just like in modern academia lol). Unfortunately he never managed to abandon those monist misconceptions but some of his other ideas make his works worth reading regardless.

They came up with "Neoplatonism" to further corrupt and sterilize his ideas and make them more in tune with the agenda.

>>937
>I don't see the connection between Plato and globalist or jews.
That's because you don't really know much about globalist and jews and how they are sympathetic to platonism. In particular both advocate a form of supremacy of state that is dominated by a class of priests and that those priests can do no bad as long as they worship the Monad.

>But Platonism is certainly different from polytheistic faiths since Plato said that there is the One/Monad who is above all
Which is atheistic. Most of Plato's ideas of One, comes from Eastern sources. And arguably Plato isn't really a polytheist even if he does believe in the gods (though he clearly makes it evident that he only believes in them, because they are aspects of a demiurge) as he questions and dislikes their character as he somewhat rejected the idea that divine spirits can ever have flaws. There is a reason why his philosophy and monotheism are both so centered on control on the psyche.

>And Plato and Aristotle from the basis for the western philosophy which is one of the main reasons why they and their writings are so important.
To be honest. Western philosophy is shit and serves more as a form of domestication, than enlightenment.

>>944
>Plato was a student of Pythagorean school, and Pythagoras was taught by the Magi
We don't really know who taught Pythagoras. Some say he was taught by Phoenicians, Egyptians, Iranians or even the druids. Either-way these particular groups are known to have corrupt magus.

>>946
>In particular both advocate a form of supremacy of state that is dominated by a class of priests and that those priests can do no bad as long as they worship the Monad.
Platoists are also bugmen who believe that all truths or most practices can be universal. They purposely deconstruct ancestral traditions, culture and customs for a universalist perspective. The Neoplatonists extended Plato's teachings to being applicable to anyone which is one of the major reasons why the West's priestly class has become so cosmopolitan and weak-minded. Aristotle was right to reject his assertions as they were unrealistic and denied true metaphysics. There is a reason why our elites are so sympathetic and loving of Platonic philosophy and its because it does a similar form of downplaying native culture and lying to create something new and foreign for a drastic change in hopes thr direction will lead towards "enlightenment".

I don't mean to turn this thread into a book club but what have people been reading recently? Today I reflected on the Hávamál and then read about Gemistus Plethon.

>>125 
>also why does (((  fedschan  ))) push religion so hard /pol/?
They got meme'd into believing the premise that abrahamism is the only way for Whites to be traditional so they dismiss the glaring holes in the theology & its warped morality. When someone is working backwards from a flawed conclusion they have endless copes because a single phrase in the bible can be projected upon to mean the opposite of its intent.

>>8 (OP) 
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
I honestly think it's a lost cause, but if I had any hope, it would be that they simply have no understanding of our race's history or of the nature of the Jews. For the people who think Whites are the real Jews, how can they explain why there were no Hebrew speakers or Hebrew roots prior to the spread of Christianity? Why don't we see Hebrew spread into Europe around the time of the Israelite expulsion(s)? How can the people who arrived in Europe a thousand years before Abraham arrived in Canaan (from Babylonia) be his descendants? The only evidence for Semites in Europe are Carthaginian excursions close to the Mediterranean and the weird way British Gaelic languages form sentences.

>What should every abrahamic fascist know about their religion?
Let's be honest. We don't have an "Abrahamic" problem so much as a Christian problem. We all know Jews are out, and how many White Muslims do you find yourself arguing with about how Muhammad was actually a Nord? (And how many Manicheans or Mandaeans have you ever even heard of?) And there's only one thing a Christian needs to know about their religion: it was invented by Jews. How is that not the end, full stop? Jesus was a Jew. All his disciples were Jews. He called a non-Jewish woman a dog. He said he was come to earth to save Jews. Paul, a Jew, said goyim were being "grafted into" the Abrahamic family tree, that goyim were like wild plants, while Jews were cultivated.
They can't answer this, so they invent cockamamie explanations and mental gymnastics about how Jews aren't really Jews. Jews are Khazars? Oh? Did Khazars write the Babylonian Talmud? Did Khazars write the book of Isaiah that says Jews will suck the tit of the goyim and that Jerusalem will be the capital of the world? They says Jews are Edomites. Edomite are Hebrews, dumbasses. Edom/Idumea was RIGHT NEXT to Judah/Judaea. Edom/Esau was the brother of Jacob/Israel. No, wait, Jews are Canaanites. Yeah. All Jews are. They're from Canaan. No one ever seems able to explain how Jesus, a Jew called "rabbi", who quoted the Torah, celebrated Chanukkah and Passover, and spoke a Semitic tongue (he could at least read Hebrew, even if he commonly spoke Aramaic or Greek), was somehow a blond Nordic Aryan and surrounded by Semitic Jews, who weren't really Jews, but actually fake Jews, who are the Jews we know of as Jews. 

>What is the best way to get abrahamists out of our nations and communities?
Just don't include them. Or outright ban them.

>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
Semitic religions are incompatible with White ethnostates because Whites aren't Semites. It's against our nature. Like clothes tailored for someone else. They're just uncomfortable and will eventually tear and be useless.

>>924
What about the dhammapada?

>>1213
Spiritual goyslop

What is the general consensus of Christian Identity (christogenea.org) here? They may be overtly religious ("Whites are the real Israelites") but they are very smart and perceptive of jewish tricks. Interesting thing to note is that they view non-whites as enemies too (considering the vast number of White Nationalists who view jews as the only enemy, which is cartoonish and unrealistic). What makes christogenea.org based, in my visit, is that there is not one member in that site who has said anything good about a single non-White. They don't act like cucks in that regard. That makes it a good litmus test to see which White folks are trustworthy. They pray for uniting with all White folk and destruction of non-White bastards. I'm just confused as to why other WNs and CI group can't get along.

>>1447
Any questions related to Christniggerism, of any sort, belong here and only here.
Nobody like Christian Identity because it is False, it is an outcry and denial of ones own racial heritage for the entirely false mythos of the jews, They do not in fact believe all Non-whites are the enemy however much they larp on their forums, i have seen a thousand, they are against the use of open violence and warfare, they think we can hide and infiltrate like the rat fucking jews and win this in 20 or 30 generations, when they will attempt to exterminate not just the jews or non-whites but ANY non-believers in their jewish god and his very jewish( and also fictional) son, "pagans" first, and due to their absolute worship of jewish heritage, they are ultimately blind to jews among them as the man who runs Christogenea is a jew himself, If you think an alliance with c hristniggers iis at all possible you are an idiot, they fucked over Hitler just as they have fucked over every movement from his disappearance onward.

>>1447
>>1448
I apologize to BO for posting this in QTTDTOT. I'm not a christnigger. If anything, I don't care for religion. However, I have been thinking into getting into religion as I am beginning to believe that God's chosen people are White people.

>>1448
>They do not in fact believe all Non-whites are the enemy however much they larp on their forums
You may have not seen the newer posts in that site. If you type "non-whites" on the search bar there, you'll see many statements dedicated to hatred of all shitskin races on Earth. They'd even go as far as to treat them as not even people (calling them "tares or "it" instead). I like that kind of energy. There's a lot of difference in opinions in these circles which keep unity as a secondthought. Just my two cents.

>>1450
And I've been observing them in their personal chats on telegram and various other places for far longer, they larp on their little forums but their actual beliefs and modus operandi are far from that, if you wish to get into religion, got to a mountaintop, and meditate pray to Odhinn, and ask for the knowledge or guidance to it there, stay well away from Christainity in any form, and especially Christian Identity, as everything it's based on is philosemitic to it's core.

>>1451
That's interesting. The Telegram group I've seen ("OWLN_Network") follows strict rules regarding White-only society (as I've described earlier).

>>1452
>OWLN_Network
I meant OWLM_Network. Apologies.

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What was the relationship of National Socialism to Catholicism like?
I know they had the main religion being traditional Nordic, but they also allowed Catholics in the Reich like Leon Degrelle.
The Pope declared support for Italy, but what about Germany?
There are pictures of Hitler with Pope, but other than that, could you post facts about this NatSoc-Catholic alliance?

Please don't ban me, this is a sincere question from someone with doubts.
I understand that there was the Deutsche Christenheit, and that it represented the Catholic religion in the Reich, but what about the alliance in depth with the religion?

>>1455
I may not be 100% correct, but I'll give my best knowledge of the subject.

>What was the relationship of National Socialism to Catholicism like
Besides the fact that the Catholics were against the NSDAP during the 1929-33 election, defended and aided jewish refugees and protested against anti-semitism? The leaders of the NSDAP generally had unfavorable views of Christianity generally and were aware that it was all Semitic. Goebbels ruthlessly persecuted and called upon imprisonment against zealous Catholic clergymen, Himmler and Heydrich wanted the SS to be the revival of pagan/Teutonic values to overcome Christian morality and principles, Bormann despised organized religion and also made attacks against various churches, Rosenberg was a staunch anti-christian and denounced it as Jewish, and Hitler had numerous attempts to destroy the influence and networks of the Protestants and Catholics alike using Hitler's Youth. Their relationship was clearly a rivaling war for Germany, although the NSDAP did tolerate those who were loyal.

>The Pope declared support for Italy, but what about Germany?
Pope XI and XII spent most of their time protesting the German government. They never given official support to Germans. What they only wanted was to protect Catholic/Vatican influence within Germany and never would support an ideology that they see as "racial idolatry". The Catholics would not support a party or group that they cannot control, unless there are things they can benefit from like they did with Mussolini's government (even though they literally wrote a creed and called them pagans).

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>>1459
But Leon Degrelle was a Catholic. There were Catholics in the Reich and even baptisms and communion on the battlefield.
Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich.
Catholics supported Hitler for the most part, and Catholicism was pro-Germany until the end of the war, with the Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics.
Hitler said he was in favor of religions, and that they could coexist, even if the NatSoc officially preached Nordic-religious traditionalisms.

>>1460
>But Leon Degrelle was a Catholic. There were Catholics in the Reich and even baptisms and communion on the battlefield.
Degrelle recanted his Christianity and catholicism on his death, he died an Aryan in full, Hitler allowing him to be of use while he still labored under the delusions of christniggery does not mean the reich was allied with or friendly with the catholic church, and allowing men might and probably would soon die have some level of comfort by allowing the practice of their religion on the battlefield doesn't mean they were friendly with the church either, Hitler chose to focus more on the youth than on the adults of his people in removing the semitic mind-virus from our race, the correct choice 
>Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich.
Allowing the church some representation in the reich, doesn't mean they were friendly either.
>Catholics supported Hitler for the most part, and Catholicism was pro-Germany until the end of the war, with the Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics.
No catholics didn't, it was in fact protestants who elected The NSDAP, those who did only did so because Hitler was born into a catholic family and had been raised catholic even though he only ever attended for his mothers sake, made beyond clear by several remarks he made through out his life and career. 
The church was never Pro-Germany, during the war it officially remained neutral, and would not throw in one way or the other, though they had little choice but to support Mussolini as he ruled the country within which the vatican resides, it has always been anti-aryan and it spent a large portion of time and the lives of many millions of Germans and others lost to wars they waged against german protestantism, the lie that moronic catholics try to pull that Vatican II changed everything, it didn't, it just made the already virulently anti-Aryan Church more openly anti-Aryan and it occurred long before the war began.
>Hitler said he was in favor of religions, and that they could coexist, even if the NatSoc officially preached Nordic-religious traditionalisms.
He never said he was in favor of christianity in any ideological text or any personal correspondence or in any recordings of his dinner table talks, this is a lie he adopted to appeal more broadly to the german public in his public speeches and rallies, in reality he despised christianity on nearly the same level that many of us here now do, he despised it as much as Nietzsche did, personally I go just that one final step neither of them lived long enough to take, all Christniggers should be killed, everything christian should be razed to the ground and burned to fine creosote ash, and our race should march to the future free of semitic baggage.
Go read through the archives of Anti-Abrahamic, and Aryan religion threads, from previous iterations of /fascist/ see if any other questions you have are answered there before you come back and ask more.

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>>1461
Can't you be a little polite and talk normally? I just have a question about this since Jesus was not Jewish and Catholicism does not prevent someone from supporting National Socialism.
There is nothing wrong with that, people can follow both religions, and the phenotype of Jesus and the non-Jews in the area were Aryan.
Noah in the bible puts a curse on a bandit people and turns them into black people, the bible always stresses how rotten Jews are, and Jesus was, according to Catholics, was the living landmark of the fight against these petty and disgusting people.
I honestly don't think it's a problem to be NS and Catholic, because National Socialism preaches traditionalism, and in the old days the Germanic people represented Catholicism well, so they can fit that ideological requirement.
I understand that some members of the SS and the Reich government had their own religions, but this can also be applied to Catholics, as they celebrated Catholic dates and practiced their religious needs among their own. Why hate each other, when we can both be allies under the same ideology? Sorry, but that doesn't make much sense.
You don't need this hatred, because Catholics would not interfere in their religions or their lifestyles.

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<Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition

<The objection may very well be raised that such phenomena in world history arise for the most part from specifically Jewish modes of thought, in fact, that this type of intolerance and fanaticism positively embodies the Jewish nature.

>There were Catholics in the Reich
There were many Germans of different religious backgrounds within the Reich. Protestant, catholic, and even ole pagans who still live within the corners of Germany.

>Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich
Deutsche Christenheit were mostly protestants. The NS christian movement only existed to get German christians out of their usual churches and into Positive Christianity.

>Catholics supported Hitler for the most part
No they didn't. Did you not read what anon said before? The catholics were one of the biggest obstacles to the NSDAP, before and after they gained power. The conservatives/ monarchist even betrayed the National Socialists and Germany as a whole, because Hitler and co didn't want to worship a dead jew. There was even a catholic member who went on about how Yahweh told him to destroy the German state. Catholicism was never pro-German, ever in its entire life-span. It has only ever been for itself because it is cosmopolitan, not ethnic, nationalist or even life-affirming. 

>Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics
>No True Scotsman
Nothing indicates that they weren't true Catholics. The Vatican did everything in its power to defend catholicism. Catholics have never wanted to persecute jews for simply being jewish as they find that to be too cruel of an action and, that persecution based on race or ethnicity alone, is too irrational and is based on hatred, in which they oppose.

>Hitler said he was in favor of religions
He never said he was in favor of christianity. 

>>1462
> I just have a question about this since Jesus was not Jewish 
The New Testament proudly states that he was rabbi and declares him king of Israel. You can't be a rabbi without being a jew, anon.

>Catholicism does not prevent someone from supporting National Socialism.
Literally it does. The Popes made creeds and protested against Germany and forbade anyone of the church to directly support the NSDAP. The dogma and doctrine of Christianity is incompatible with National Socialism, where we advocate both Ancient Germanic and new values that can make us proper Aryans once again. Why do you think Hitler named his Christian movement "Positive Christianity" rather than "True Christianity"? If he were a christian, then he would have pulled a No True Scotsman as many zealot X-tians do.

>the phenotype of Jesus and the non-Jews 
>Noah in the bible puts a curse on a bandit people and turns them into black people
Take your CI nonsense and shove it up your ass. Actual catholics don't even believe in this crap. The bible does not refer to "black" in the same way we think of Negroes, nor would they be against a nigger becoming a catholic as it is a religion that opens its doors to all who are willing to convert and be accepted into the "kingdom of God", so your pseudo-racism is contradictory. They are either fine with yeshua being a jew or reject him being one due to their belief that he cannot have an ethnicity of any kind, because he is somehow a direct descendant of a fake demiurge who is actually just a semitic deity, not because they "hate" jews.

>>1467
>nor would they be against a nigger becoming a catholic
Again, Christogenea begs to differ. They spit on any non-White (or "bastard races" as they call it) for even being aware of the jew. If you want to see ruthless and genuine belief of White supremacism, look no further than the inner circles of Christian Identity. They despise all non-White races and believe that they all will go to hell, while White people will go to heaven. I mean isn't that technically what we want too (minus the bible stuff)?

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>Again, Christogenea begs to differ
<The solution is spiritual jewry
Again, Christogenea is retarded, and christian identity is ZIONISM. No one cares about what CIs think or say, because they're heretics who do not follow the bible truthfully and have ulterior motives of destroying the Aryan race. The formation of CI was created by jews and the shabbos goy known as the freemasons. You are suggesting for us to repeat history and lead to the same shit that happened with Great Britain and The Spanish Empire and how they became a paradise for jewish influence. We as National Socialist honor our true European heritages, not the ones of jews and then try to LARP as them. 

>If you want to see ruthless and genuine belief of White supremacism, look no further than the inner circles of Christian Identity.
If you want a White form of zionism and for any White nationalist movement to easily be infiltrated by feds, then look no further than at the mental gymnastics that is Christian Identity that is still supported by masons.


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>>1531
>judaism against judaism
<worships a Rabbi who attended Hanukkah and prayed at synagogues
>Admits that jews did not have a problem with Jesus up until now
kek

gnosticism is just inverted judaism. both believe the jewish god created the world, the gnostics just acknowledge that he's evil

but my question is why believe the jewish god created anything, except for maybe the jews themselves kek. he couldn't even find adam and eve in the garden

yahweh seems to me merely a powerful demon. the world is too good to have been created by him. the jews are just the scum of the earth, the only nation who would worship him and follow his laws after all others refused

so the demon chose them in return and did give them quite a bit of power. but not to create, only to destroy. it's enough for me that white people are chosen by their own gods. I don't want to be chosen by a demon, and I'm not sure I believe in "the One" at all

>>1534
This. I don't know why I don't know why there are anons shilling Gnosticism within this board, because it is nothing, but nonsensical dribble.

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>>1533
>>judaism against judaism
If Christianity really served the purposes of Judaism then they wouldn't oppose it or have agendas against it, even in the time of Jesus. Old testement Judaism, New Testament Christianity and Modern Judaism are very different beliefs.
>worships a Rabbi who attended Hanukkah and prayed at synagogues
I worship God, the race of his son has nothing to do with why i worship him, besides not every single OT Jews is bad, just the modern Talmud Kabalah ones are.
>Admits that jews did not have a problem with Jesus up until now
They did,“Ye serpents, ye generation (race or nation) of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?” —Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:33

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>>1539
>If Christianity really served the purposes of Judaism then they wouldn't oppose it or have agendas against it,
If Christianity does not serve the jews, then the jews would not be as powerful as they are today, and the feelings of jews by christians would not be dependent on their religiosity, but rather their race. There was no subversion nor any of the common No True Scots that are common argued, it was all apart of the ((( plan ))). Having different dogmas and thoughts does not make you distinct. You can post all these shitty infographs and cope all you want, but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) who is not only said to be king of Israel, but will also conquer all gentiles nations. Romans 11:1, Romans 11:13, Romans 11, and Samuel 1 18:25-27 are all things jews would say.

>I worship God, the race of his son has nothing to do with why i worship him
<I worship Yahweh, and I'm perfectly fine with worshiping the people who are also said to be the closets in terms of blood and spirituality to the God of the jews!
kek

> besides not every single OT Jews is bad
<muh ole jewzz
All jews are bad, they've been terrible people since their beginning. The Old Testament and the Torah, debunk this idea that they ever were a "kinder" people.

>Matthew 23:33
Note, that Matthew 23:33 is referring AFTER the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of Judaism rejected Yeshua as a messiah. There is nothing in the NT nor does Matthews condemn all jews are evil. After-all, the point of christianity was to "save" jews not gentiles until Saul came along.

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>>1540
>If Christianity does not serve the jews, then the jews would not be as powerful as they are today
How has the Bible made the Jews powerful?
> Having different dogmas and thoughts does not make you distinct. 
It's more than just different dogmas and thoughts, we worship different messiahs and Gods. You're just denying a more complex answer with your jewish monolith.
>You can post all these shitty infographs and cope all you want, but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) 
Do you know what a genetic fallacy is? It's not Cope, Christianity and Judaism are different and opposing religions, you're saying that because OT Jews were in the picture that Christianity is now Jewish and evil, when it's the opposite and opposed to bad behavior.
>but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) who is not only said to be king of Israel, but will also conquer all gentiles nations. Romans 11:1, Romans 11:13, Romans 11, and Samuel 1 18:25-27 are all things jews would say.
See webm, Christians are the chosen by God, the idea of Jews being the chosen is Christian Zionism bullshit that forces in another God. The Jews don't study the OT in the same way that the Christians do, Not all who are are of Israel are of Israel, some jew who rejects Jesus in Israel is not the chosen. The Philistines set the Ark of the Covenant into the house of their god Dagon, they're idols worshipers. There are two kingdoms one of God and one of Satan, and Satan (and those who practice his arts or joins his allegiance) are not on my side regardless if we're both gentiles. Since the beginning of time Satan has tried to build a one world government to enslave everyone.
><I worship Yahweh, and I'm perfectly fine with worshiping the people who are also said to be the closets in terms of blood and spirituality to the God of the jews!
The God of the Jewish Kabalah and Talmud is a serpent/Satan.
>All jews are bad, 
That's wrong, Prove that all OT Jews are bad. I don't believe in a "good person" only God is good, Of course not all were evil regardless, but there were some that went with Jesus so some had to at least be trying to be a better person.
>Note, that Matthew 23:33 is referring AFTER the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of Judaism rejected Yeshua as a messiah.
Jesus is the ultimate standard of Good, of course those who reject him will be given up.
>There is nothing in the NT nor does Matthews condemn all jews are evil. 
Because not all Jews are evil. However there is Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."  1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
>After-all, the point of christianity was to "save" jews not gentiles until Saul came along.
The Jews came first then salvation was extended to the gentiles.

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>>1541
>How has the Bible made the Jews powerful?
The bible establishes that jews are the closets to Yahweh. Those who are closet to the ultimate judge and are considered to be more righteous when it comes to enacting the God of the Israelis laws.

>It's more than just different dogmas and thoughts, we worship different messiahs and Gods
You don't have different messiahs, nor "Gods", stupid. You worship all the same mosses and Abraham. And the NT even states that the god of the christians is same one within Israel.

>You're just denying a more complex answer with your jewish monolith.
Or, you're just coping.

>Do you know what a genetic fallacy is?
>This retard is back
You don't know what genetic fallacy means, so stop accusing others of doing so.

>It's not Cope, Christianity and Judaism are different and opposing religions
<because I said so

>you're saying that because OT Jews were in the picture that Christianity is now Jewish and evil
I didn't say that, strawman. I said that jews (Israelites) were always evil since their first establishment. Their scriptures and actions against gentiles was always because they and their God are envious of those who are superior to them. Then there's the whole set of lives of victories and mythos they've established and along with numerous hypocrisies. Even Abraham was a piece of shit, especially when he killed his brother, because he thought he was going to bang his wife.

>Christians are the chosen by God
<No no no, anon you see, we just changed what the Old Testament said! This time we wuz the true Israelites!
kek

>the idea of Jews being the chosen is Christian Zionism bullshit that forces in another God.
I don't care who was chosen for what. The point here is that God is ZION and gave the land of ((( Zion ))) to the Israelites. He tasked them to bring about his supremacy by sword and infiltration. A nigger deity that seethes at gentiles and their gods. You christoids worship and see yourselves as apart of Abraham's mutt family and affirm Zion and the task to bring jewish prophecies into reality, which many rabbis even acknowledge. You are merely arguing that you have a different way to go about a singular ultimate goal of the jews. 

>the Jews don't study the OT in the same way that the Christians do
Yes they do. They are doing what the OT commands them.

>The God of the Jewish Kabalah and Talmud is a serpent/Satan.
>Satan, a word that means enemy of god
<the words and beliefs of God are against God
Anon....

>That's wrong, Prove that all OT Jews are bad
Galatians 3:8-9
Ezekiel 9:5-7
Genesis 15:18
Isaiah 40:17

>Because not all Jews are evil
All jews are evil, anon. You are sounding no different than a cuckservative. A good man could never be a jew, and a good jew cannot be a well-mannered Individual. 

>Revelation 2:9 
>1 John 2:22
You're working yourself in contradictions here. You believe that not all jews are evil, but try to establish the NT as if it sees jews as evil as much as we do. Revelation is referring to the theocracy of Judaism which rejected Yeshua. It does not see jews as evil for their racial characteristics and for who they truly are, but because they rejected the son of a whore that's literally it. 

>The Jews came first then salvation was extended to the gentiles.
You mean they were force to, got circumcised and then were encouraged to attack their family members for not worshiping the jews only to lead to what is the current present.

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>>1542
>Webm
Nothing in the bible says that the jews will rule the world, the plan of a Jewish one world government brought to you by the Jewish messiah is in opposition to the Christian God. 
>The bible establishes that jews are the closets to Yahweh. Those who are closet to the ultimate judge and are considered to be more righteous when it comes to enacting the God of the Israelis laws.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
>You don't have different messiahs, nor "Gods", stupid.
>you worship all the same mosses and Abraham. 
You're just wrong, We don't worship mosses or Abraham, we have different Gods/Messaiahs, read Holy Serpent of the Jews by Texe Marrs or the Talmud and the Kabalah. The other Abrahamic religions go against Christianity.
>And the NT even states that the god of the christians is same one within Israel.
Israel means different things to certain Christians and certain Jews. Do you really think that Israel as it is now is a Christian nation, when it's full of jews who reject Christ?
>Or, you're just coping.
Coping implies that i'm choosing a pleasant lie instead of a harsh truth, where is the lie in what i talk about?
>You don't know what genetic fallacy means, so stop accusing others of doing so.
You're accepting a claim as true or false solely on the basis of its origin. Because Christianity has Jewish roots you claim it's a lie or a jewish ploy.
><because I said so
Prove that Christianity and Judaism have the same God then, smartass.
>No no no, anon you see, we just changed what the Old Testament said! This time we wuz the true Israelites!
I never said we were the israelites, and I don't care if you mock me, but my view is correct and Biblical. 

Galations 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 
Galationans 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heir according to the promise. 
Ephesians 2:11-13 and 19, 11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 19 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 
The jews refused Jesus Matthew 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l” 
1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Israel is a spiritual nation 
Hebrews 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

>Galatians 3: 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
That's not evil.
>Ezekiel 9:5And as I listened, He said to the others, “Follow him through the city and start killing; do not show pity or spare anyone! 6Slaughter the old men, the young men and maidens, the women and children; but do not go near anyone who has the mark. Now begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the temple.7Then He told them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go forth!”
That was a Vision. God does command the isrealites to kill others in the OT but if God commands it then there must be a good reason for it.
>Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
How is that evil?
>Isaiah 40:17All the nations are as nothing before Him; He regards them as nothingness and emptiness.
If God is the one true creator God then he will be greater than everything else, do you believe that nations are greater than God?

>All jews are evil, anon. 
Then Prove it, so far other anons have only proven that a lot of Jews are evil not every Jew
>A good man could never be a jew, and a good jew cannot be a well-mannered Individual. 
Jesus was a Good man.
>Revelation is referring to the theocracy of Judaism which rejected Yeshua
true, rejecting God makes you more capable of evil, since everyone is already addicted to evil.
>You mean they were force to, got circumcised and then were encouraged to attack their family members for not worshiping the jews only to lead to what is the current present.
Where in the bible does it say to do that? I don't worship the jews where are you getting this from?

>>1544
Anon, tell your parents to give you the attention you so desperately desire, because you have not read a single thing I've said and have done nothing, but pilpuling excuses for a jew who never existed. No matter what you say, the bible admits Yeshua was a jew and proudly one who must rule over the world as king of Israel. You simply do not see things from an intelligent perspective, because you are mind-fucked. This is especially the case that you do not realize that Galatians 3:8 and Genesis 15:18 are calling for the circumcision and infiltration of ethnic cultures for not being jewish, and make excuses for God killing those who are above him. Seethe and cope, you are an npc.

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>Nothing in the bible says that the jews will rule the world
Yes it does. It says it right in Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4. Confirmed to have never read the bible.

>Where does it say that in the Bible?
Anon already posted the scripture. Galatians 3:8-9

>You're just wrong, We don't worship mosses or Abraham
Yes, you do. Paul, John, Luke, Hebrews, and Romans all refer to Abraham as the priest and father of Israel. All christians venerated him as their spiritual father and great ancestor of Jesus. Mosses is also honored as lawgiver and prophet who was commonly compared by the three major christians sects. I can even mention the fact that Mosses and Abraham were common names used by christians for centuries. To deny that you don't means you and many christians actually reject the Old Testament. 

>Do you really think that Israel as it is now is a Christian nation
My favorite part about this conversation is that anon never said this. 

>when it's full of jews who reject Christ
But they fully acknowledge how he was a helpful hand in destroying and taking over Europe, no?

>Coping implies that i'm choosing a pleasant lie instead of a harsh truth
Sounds about right. 

>You're accepting a claim as true or false solely on the basis of its origin
Please point to where anon did this. Your webm is nonsensical and biased. It can be ignored, because it takes from a perspective that is dishonest and excludes many other important factors of what the bible also states. 

>Prove that Christianity and Judaism have the same God, smartass
It literally states in the bible that God is one of Israel, Matthew 15:31. I'm guessing you're next comment will be about the characterization of God, which will not change the fact that he is centric of Israel. 

>I never said we were the israelites
<Christians are the chosen by God
The "chosen" are those who carry the word and command of Yahweh, which is disrupt, destroy, and distort all nations that are opposed to Israel. 

>Galations 3:7
Saul opening his religion to gentiles to infiltrate Rome and other surrounding nations.

>Galationans 3:28-29
Ultra pozzed and this is how you get pic below.

>Ephesians 2:11-13 and 19, 11
This is just Saul declaring that circumcision no longer separates gentiles away from Yahweh, and now anyone can be circumcised to become closer to Yahweh and Abraham. Also, I hope you realize that he admits that Israel is still Yahweh's "chosen nation" within the same passage, but this time the invitation has been opened to anyone by christians. 

>That's not evil
Are perhaps jewish?
<All nations will be blessed through you
Literally announcing the supremacy of Israel and all else inferior. It makes even worse when Matt 5:17 states that Yeshua the rabbi must fulfill the prophecies and laws of the previous prophets.

>It was just a vision bro
It was to fore-come if the jews refuse to enslave themselves to Yahweh totally. It was a showcase of the puritanism and arrogance of the volcano demon.

>How is that evil?
Are you retarded or just this cucked?

>do you believe that nations are greater than God?
I for a fact, do. And the fact that christianity and jewry have become an absolute joke and the center of hypocrisy is undeniable proof that Yahweh is nothing but a joke. 

>Then Prove it
<Prove the people who openly state and have scriptures declaring that they want your children raped and killed, family members stoned and beaten, and entire nations enslaved to do the labor of the jews to be evil.

> so far other anons have only proven that a lot of Jews are evil not every Jew
Nah, nigger. You just don't think the many of the things jews do are evil, so you cannot find a reason why to be repulsed at kikery.

>Jesus was a Good man.
>admits he was a jew and rabbi
He was an Israeli supremacist. Next you'll say pedophiles are good people too.

> rejecting God makes you more capable of evil
Anon, we tolerate logic here.

>Where in the bible does it say to do that?
Luke 14:26

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>>1545
>Galatians 3:8
Christianity started as Jewish movement but it's message was for all humanity. Some of the Jewish Christians at the time of Galatians thought that the non-Jewish Christians had to obey the laws of the Torah and these Jewish Christians came to the Galations Church to demand circumcision of the non-Jewish Christians. That went against Paul who told the non-Jewish Christians that they didn't have to get circumcised or keep kosher. You're totally jumping to conclusions and quoting the verse out of context when the overall story of Galations is against needing to follow the Torah to be part of the Old Testament faith. Exactly as i said a Genetic Fallacy,  A Fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context
>Genesis 15:18
All the families of the earth will find blessings in Abram's family. God's plan is to rescue rebellious humanity through Abram's family, through Jesus Christ, all of you are thinking of the anti-Christ who is going to enslave humanity in a one world modern (maybe Jewish) government.

Another mistake that you and >>1549 keep doing is thinking that the promises or conquest of the OT are not relevant to Modern Christians/gentiles, Race can tell you a lot but certain things can change over time, yeah Christianity started with the Jewish Israelites but it's messages was for all humanity, so when you bring up Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4. you're looking at it like only OT faith Jews are going to inherit the nations from God, when OT Judaism has progressed into Christianity and the ones who went against God went into what we know as Judaism now, the same modern Judaism that doesn't take the OT literally and studies the kabbalah and the Talmud. Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4 are not about Jewish rule, it's about Christian rule, we're not connected by blood but by faith.
 
>You're coping
Just because i don't uncritically and submissively accept your position doesn't mean i'm choosing a lie.
>you are an npc.
NPC's are not whatever you don't like, it's people on the left taught by mainstream media.

The fact that Christian Zionism is not Biblical means that it's a part of Chritianity.
>>1549
>Galatians 3:8-9
That doesn't say that the Jews are closest to God, only that the nations will be blessed by Abram's family, which is most likely referring to Jesus.
>Yes, you do. Paul, John, Luke, Hebrews, and Romans all refer to Abraham as the priest and father of Israel. All christians venerated him as their spiritual father and great ancestor of Jesus. Mosses is also honored as lawgiver and prophet who was commonly compared by the three major christians sects. I can even mention the fact that Mosses and Abraham were common names used by christians for centuries. To deny that you don't means you and many Christians actually reject the Old Testament. 
Venerate is a word Catholics use specifically to say they're not worshiping something. When i go to a Christian church i don't worship the priest, i respect him, as i would respect anyone else, but i don't pray to the priest like hes God when i pray. You must have some spiritual context to ancestors because in all my 32 years of being a Christian i've never heard someone switch the name of God to a priest or anyone in the bible when praying for something. So what if they're common names, Satan a common name for Christians that doesn't mean they're worshiping him. Jesus updated the OT. That is just wrong.
> Your webm is nonsensical and biased. It can be ignored, because it takes from a perspective that is dishonest and excludes many other important factors of what the bible also states. 
What is dishonest about it? Do you see how your lack of understanding my position leads to arguments that don't work against me? Why even bother replying if you're not going to even read what i post.
>It literally states in the bible that God is one of Israel, Matthew 15:31.
>The "chosen" are those who carry the word and command of Yahweh, which is disrupt, destroy, and distort all nations that are opposed to Israel. 
Christianity started with the jews and extended to humanity, that includes the spiritual nation of Israel. The nation of Israel (as we know it today) is a godless place, worshiping the Shekhinah. full of modern judaism.
>I for a fact, do. And the fact that christianity and jewry have become an absolute joke and the center of hypocrisy is undeniable proof that Yahweh is nothing but a joke. 
All the nations are capable of degeneracy. God has the power to deliver people from debauchery but he also respects freewill. Even in the Bible man chooses evil, that is not a failure of God, God permits evil to test good. Even if everyone on earth was a degenerate, the bible would still be true.
>Prove the people who openly state and have scriptures declaring that they want your children raped and killed, family members stoned and beaten, and entire nations enslaved to do the labor of the jews to be evil.
Even Satanists can do good despite commanded to do evil. Humanity is originally good, we just choose evil.
>Nah, nigger. You just don't think the many of the things jews do are evil, so you cannot find a reason why to be repulsed at kikery.
I know that Jews have been a part of a lot of evil schemes, schemes that include Christians, but they're not all evil, and i've yet to find evidence that they're all 100% evil, just a patterns of anecdotes of them related to evil practices.
>He was an Israeli supremacist
Maybe on a surface interpretation, if he was then his sacrifice wouldn't have been for all of humanity. inb4 Mark 7:27-28 see https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanite-woman-dog.html
>Anon, we tolerate logic here.
Sins are a slippery slop, this is common sense, lying leads to more lying.
>pic
They're practicing promiscuity or infidelity, they're probably leftist Christians, Do you think your side has no degeneracy? There is a popularity of a fascists trannies out there.

I'm not answering anymore bible verses from you guys, you have a very flawed view of the bible.

Why do you think the nations (i'm assuming you mean the races, something created, limited and biological) are greater than God (something all powerful, omipresent, all knowing creator)?

>>1562
>Christianity started as Jewish movement but it's message was for all humanity.
<Admits christianity comes from jews and is a jewish plot to enslave humanity through conversations
This is all I needed to hear from you. You're refusing to argue and do what every Abrahamist do, ((( pilpul ))) and lie. Stop reviving this dead thread, because you refuse to accept the harsh truth that no one takes the dead jew seriously any longer.

>Simultaneously, the Jews are identified as the ultimate motive force behind the progressive movements destroying Western culture. As experience has taught me, the only thing a Jewpiller hates more than someone who doesn't 'name the Jew' is someone who does talk about Jews, but identifies higher motives and structures in progressivism to which Jewish activity is subordinate. This hatred of anything that 'blames the victim' or 'minimises the guilt' is all part of the negative manifesto: our problems must all be traced to Jewish biological tribalism, so that they can all be solved by European biological tribalism. Knowledge of higher powers than the Jews is as dangerous to the Race Cult as is the knowledge of airstrips and aircraft carriers to a cargo cult.

>At first, the conversion to biological tribalism may be a shallow and reluctant one. But once it becomes clear that the imitation of perceived Jewish behaviour isn't delivering the goods – something that would, ordinarily, lead to scepticism – then it is time for the cult to rush in with its own self-serving explanations for failure. The problem is not that the strategy doesn't work, or that something is missing in the theory of Jewish political power. No – the problem is that we Europeans are too individualistic by nature, too distracted by universalist delusions. And the solution, naturally, is to double down on biological tribalism. We must throw out Christianity and retvrn to paganism; no, we must make up a new racial religion; no, we must reinterpret all culture and mythology as racial allegory, and extend our paranoia about 'Jewish influence' even to Thor and Odin. 

>But to a fully Jewpilled white nationalist, every single one of those names in triple brackets is tainted with the dreaded bacillus of 'Jewish influence', which he has passed to every single one of his non-Jewish fellows in his movement or school of thought. And it is not good enough to extract the truths from such a tainted source while discarding anything specifically Jewish, because every good Darwinian biological tribalist knows that ideas are just tools and weapons in the racial struggle for life. The only safe option is to reserve your trust for the one political movement that excludes all Jews on a biological basis. This logic is very convenient for the Movement, establishing as it does the only litmus test of bona fides on which its fed-ridden, charlatan-led, dysfunctional activist griftshop could possibly come out looking better than its rivals.
 
>And this well-poisoning trick can be extended as wide as you like, because the West is a post-Christian culture that has not been free from Jewish influence since late antiquity. Every belief-system after paganism is potentially tainted, unless it has been run through the filtering system of the Race Cult and pronounced to be more Aryan than Jewish. Whether or not it is carried to its logical extreme, this sort of thinking creates an ideal mental state for dupes, paypigs and Kool-Aid drinkers: abject intellectual dependence on the cult, defended by ferocious paranoia towards everything outside it. 

>That may or may not be so (Dewey? Rawls? Foucault?), but in any case, whose ideas were those Jewish intellectuals propagating? If we are to understand "leftism" as egalitarianism, individualism, democracy, etc., then by MacDonald's own lights these ideas have no basis in Jewish racial heritage at all. It was the Anglo elites in transition between Puritanism and Progressivism who converted the Jews to their religion, not the other way around.

>By this point MacDonald's argument is chafing against the whole concept of individualism as he conceives it. A moral community is nonetheless a community, just as a gas is no less a substance than a liquid. As he says, "these cultures may exert strong controls on individual behaviour to ensure conformity to the norms of a moral community" (p.455). And the identity of a moral community comes from its ideas and institutions and ideas, so it can preserve a viable ingroup while recruiting members from different biological communities (see the example of the Catholic Church, which recruited its members from all three of MacDonald's fundamental European groups). Once the 'Puritan-Protestant-Progressive' tradition is identified as a more or less continuous moral community, which dominated America from its founding and which allied with (and largely converted) the Jews, then the focus on Jews as a causal agent collapses and MacDonald's work no longer supports the Jewpill. 

>In the first part of this post, we explained how the Race Cult takes advantage of this principle, by peddling the distorted picture of subversion and revolution that we have called the Jewpill. No-one in his right mind wants to convert to what this cult is actually offering: a brutish, atheistic, amoral religion of racial phenotypes, genes, group interests, reproduction, the amity-enmity complex, etc., based on the sort of evo-psych silliness ridiculed by David Stove in his book Darwinian Fairytales. But witness the change that takes place when 1) this religion of race is attributed to the Jews, and 2) the Jews are magnified into the rulers of the world and the main agent of Western decline. Now the principle of mirroring one's enemy kicks in, and people strive to believe in biological tribalism, which they falsely see as a winning strategy. And the more they fail, the more they double down – creating the white nationalist cargo cult, which has long furnished the livelihoods of some of the worst degenerates and scoundrels on the Dissident Right.

>Of course, we can still fight a stiff rearguard action. Before its conversion to Christianity, wasn't the culture of the Roman Empire a morass of infanticide, degeneracy and religious unbelief? Wasn't it full of foreign immigration, urban crime and rampant bureaucracy, ruled by foreign emperors, and defended by barbarian mercenaries who were mercilessly set on its provincial rebels? And didn't the Catholic order of mediaeval Europe improve on this in many respects? None of this supports the notion that all Semitic influences must be bad, or that all good influences must be Aryan.

Here is a good criticism of the Jewish conspiracy from someone on your side that you will not read either. 

https://archive.ph/HJnfA Part 1
https://archive.ph/m6zpZ Part 2
https://archive.ph/IzfMz Part 3

TL;DR White nationalism is bad for whites.  MacDonald and the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit are wrong about the Jews. 

Even Stromfront doesn't think that the Jews are the ultimate enemy, they see the Illuminati as being at the top of the hierarchy and the Jews are their foot solders. https://archive.ph/MXvPF

>>1572
>Affirmative Right
>More DIssident Kike BS
Fuck off shill and go back to where you came from.

>>1572
>Even Stromfront doesn't think that the Jews are the ultimate enemy
Stromfront is full of non-Whites, and I think one of the admins got caught being a Jew.

>they see the Illuminati as being at the top of the hierarchy and the Jews are their foot solders.
>They're MAGA-cucks
They're retarded, and are going to be surprised to learn that the Illuminati was started by Jews.

>>1575
The articles debunk a lot of MacDonald and The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit which is the handbook of "jewpillers" and you have no good argument against it other than dismission.  Yeah, it's true that there are Jews in power but that's doesn't tell you everything, there are many groups in power.
>be surprised to learn that the Illuminati was started by Jews.
Yes Adam Weishaupt was a jew, but he was also a Jesuit, and it's not only jews who are in the secret societies. 

From Behold a Pale Horse
>I give lectures all over the United States. At some point before, during, or after every lecture, some well-meaning but misguided soul, tells me that I have it all wrong and that it's the Jews, the Catholics, the communists, or the bankers that are the cause of all our ills. The target group is blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong. Power over everyone and everything is always attributed to this group - whichever group it happens to be at that moment to that person. These poor people are on the right track, in that there has been and certainly is a conspiracy to bring about a totalitarian world order. They are completely off track to think that any one ethnic, religious, or financial group alone could ever muster enough power to bring its plan to fruition. One group, you see, would always be opposed by all of the other special-interest groups that exist and have always existed throughout history. That is, unless they were all really the same group (the Illuminati) or for some reason they became unified (the Bilderberg Group).

Gorge Bush is a part of the secret elite and hes not a jew,
>but he gives reverence to the jews in public
He also gives reverence to the Pope.

I'm not saying there are not Jews in power, secret society or other conspiracies but they're not all of it, according to Bloodlines of the illuminati by fritz springmeier and Giants by Peter Phillips (a 2017 study on the world's richest 0.1%) Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
>muh crypto jews
There has to be some proof of this otherwise you could claim anyone is a secret jew.

>>1579
>The articles debunk a lot of MacDonald and The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit which is the handbook of "jewpillers"
The article did not do any of what you're insinuating. Lawrence uses incomprehensible word salads and then cries and misunderstands MacDonald's position, because he concludes that the solution to Jewry is a form of tribalism of our own. He then attempts to reinforce his petty argument by scapegoating the Anglo aristocracy and their influences, despite the fact that the Anglo aristocracy and their influences were directly influenced by Jews, and the Puritans were largely irrelevant prior to the arrival of the Enlightenment era.This argument is shared among Q-tards. The 18th and 19th century liberal philosophers were influenced by Masonic groups rather than Angloism or Puritanism.Even Hegel took inspiration from the Kabbalah, which many Freemasons had access to. Lawrence does not provide a logical argument for why Macdonald is wrong, but rather personal grievances.He also claims that Hitler is "irredeemable" and makes some other dumb statements about how he ran Germany into the ground, even though it was actually the Catholics who ran Germany into the ground. Essentially exposing himself as a kike.

>Yes Adam Weishaupt was a jew, but he was also a Jesuit
Why does it matter that he was a Jesuit? If anything, this only proves our point that Jews are naturally deceitful and that Abrahamists will ultimately always allow them to do whatever they please.

>but misguided soul, tells me that I have it all wrong and that it's the Jews, the Catholics, the communists, or the bankers that are the cause of all our ills.
This is because they were behind all of these things, Lawrence. You can easily find a Jew in the occupation of banking, the Soviet Union was dominated by Jews, and the Catholic Church's first Pope was a Jew. 

>he target group is blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong
They are. This is just being indefensible. Try telling me or proving to me that groups such as BLM and every mega-corpo aren't ran by them.
 
>Gorge Bush is a part of the secret elite and hes not a jew
Learn to spell. There is no secret elite, MIGA. "George Bush" is a Jew. It makes no difference whether he is a Jew by blood or spirit, because all of his influences come from, guess who?, Jews.He and many other American politicians wish to be Jews and will do their bidding willingly. To say he is not a Jew or that we cannot blame the kikes as the causes of reason is mentally retarded, because all evidence points to them and their religion as the causes of reason. Rome's downfall was not caused by racism, nor did it cause the downfall of the West, that was cosmopolitanism and philo-semitism. If the Jews are not the cause of troubles nor tyrants, then explain why Trump, DeSantis, Biden, Obama, or the entire Congress of the United States all have statements on how they identify with Jews, or even downright admit that they are Jews and need to constantly show their alligeances to Israel? This is what Lawrence forgets and doesn't articulate well at all. Everything that has happened points to Jews; only a moron can deny this, or he does because he is afraid of his Jewish fate (Christianity) being recognized as part of the problem. Read Marcus' Eli Ravage's, A Real Case Against the Jews. A Jew admits to all of what Hitler and so on have been saying.

https://archive.ph/Oonji
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https://www.insider.com/trump-moved-us-embassy-jerusalem-for-evangelicals-2020-8


>He also gives reverence to the Pope.
Is this supposed to mean something?Does he worship the Catholic Church as much as he does Israel?

> I'm not saying there are not Jews in power
This is what your article is suggesting.

>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
Explain the ADL, then. The ADL is one of the largest criminal and zionist terrorist organizations in the United States. And yet they get away with just about anything, anon.

>There has to be some proof of this; otherwise, you could claim anyone is a secret Jew.
I had to fix your terrible grammar, because I feel like I'm talking to a mentally handicapped patient. Apparently we need to prove this a million times before another mouth-breathing cuckservative finally realizes what is going on within the real world. 

Watch this video, and shill somewhere else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1LqzU7CHk0

>>1576
>Stromfront is full of non-Whites
Huh, no wonder Christogenea hated that website. CIs despise non-Whites who are JQ-pilled. So should we. It's OUR struggle, not theirs.

>>1580
>"George Bush" is a Jew
Wasn't he in some organization called "Skull and Bones"?

>>1583
Yes.

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>>1580
>The article did not do any of what you're insinuating.
>What they need, in order to defend their dogma, is some way of inverting the historical narrative and projecting Jewish machinations onto revolutionary movements before the 20th century. As I showed at the end of the first part of this post, MacDonald's Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition can be of little use here, as it shows too much fidelity to history. Although presented as a supplement to MacDonald's trilogy on the Jews, this book in fact undermines them, by laying out a theory of 'moral communities' based on shared ideals rather than racial interests. Once we understand the revolutionary, progressive ideology as just such a 'moral community' – to all intents and purposes, a separate religious tribe in its own right – we can no longer follow MacDonald in excusing gentile elite behaviour as 'individualism', while attributing collective motives for social destruction solely to the Jews.

>This holds true for the early Bolshevik government of the Soviet Union, so often misrepresented by Jewpillers as being more Jewish than it actually was. All "formerly oppressed nationalities" excluding the Russians were privileged by the government, and in the brutal Cheka secret police, the most overrepresented group was not the Jews but the Latvians (see Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, p.247 and p.177). Conversely, when the later Soviet government turned against the Jews under Stalin, this followed a general crackdown on minority nationalities that involved mass deportations and execution quotas (Slezkine, p.274). All of this accords quite well with our general principle – for the communists were effectively an 'alien' ruling elite when they were inflicting the revolutionary secular religion on Russia, whereas by the end of the war against Germany they had largely made their peace with Russian patriotism and the social order.
You're wrong or didn't read it.

>There is no secret elite
Dead wrong and this highlights your jewish red herring perfectly. Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>. "George Bush" is a Jew.because all of his influences come from, guess who?, Jews
His influence also comes from the secret societies that he devoted his life to and all the humiliating rituals he practiced with them. "Spiritual" Jewishness is a complete cop out, it's redefining what Jewishness actually is that is not George Bush.
> To say he is not a Jew or that we cannot blame the kikes as the causes of reason is mentally retarded, because all evidence points to them and their religion as the causes of reason
Not when hes not a biological jew. I bet you think that Jordan Peterson is "controlled" by the Jews because he did a talk with them?
>and need to constantly show their alligeances to Israel
That is just what is shown in the public, like his reverence to the Pope that you dismiss. What is more telling is what they do when these people meet in secret.
>This is what your article is suggesting.
I'm just saying that they're not the only ones in power, of course there are Jews in power in America and they're a conspiratorial group.
>Explain the ADL, then. The ADL is one of the largest criminal and zionist terrorist organizations in the United States. And yet they get away with just about anything, anon.
There is also the B'nai B'rith, there are also many international secret societies around the world as well. My world views doesn't have to rely on the jews or secret societies, but i can acknowledge that both are in power as well. As well as acknowledge that Jews are trying to subvert us. Personally i think Satanism in it's purest form narrows down past and present definition of evil much better than the Jewish race and it also includes the modern and ancient Judaism as well while not throwing out Christianity which is true and good. It's also not limited to a small part of the global elite.
>Apparently we need to prove this a million times before another mouth-breathing cuckservative finally realizes what is going on within the real world. 
When you say something is jewish it's natural that you provide evidence for it, there is nothing wrong with that, only a fool accepts information without being critical of it. The real world is bigger than just Jews.

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>>1587
>Webms
This is the kind of shit posted by Q-tards.

Anon I can confidently say that you do not know what Lawrence is implying here or what MacDonald's books actually state. Lawrence offers no counterarguments—no historical evidence, no logical assertions, just personal grievances. All you did was re-quote what was said, demonstrating that you, like a shill, have no idea what was said. A common tactic among shills is to throw out what is to be perceived as information, but is nothing but nonsense, because they have neither read nor understood the contents.


>This holds true for the early Bolshevik government of the Soviet Union, so often misrepresented by Jewpillers as being more Jewish than it actually was.
And this is where Lawrence exposes himself as a moron and a Jew. This is a common talking point among Jews, especially DRs, who deny the Jewishness of the SU. No surprise that he is also committing to the lie.

Proof that the Soviet Union was Jewish:
<"Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism." -Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

<"The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution" -The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250 "Jewry is the mother of Marxism."
Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936

<"Judaism is Marxism, communism" -Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64

<"The communist soul is the soul of Judaism." -Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143

<"We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism." -The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11

<"The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry." The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51

<"It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement."
Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106

<"That achievement - the Russian-Jewish revolution - destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct." -The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

<"The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and world-domination. "William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31

<"The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism" Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix

<"The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders" -The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11

<"Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement" -The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20

And it goes on. Are ya winning son?

>Dead wrong and this highlights your jewish red herring perfectly. 
>Red Herring
It can't be a Red Herring if I just proved you wrong I sent. But of course, you didn't read them, because they prove you wrong. :^)

>Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>If you kill your enemies, they win
Excellent rebuttal, MIGA.

>His influence also comes from the secret societies
What secret societies? The Illumanti? The Freemasons? The NWOs? Jews were linked to all movements; are you going to deny his ties to them again? Anon, what are secret societies? I thought for sure you knew the answer to everything, like all the other ignorant boomers claim they do.

>"Spiritual" Jewishness is a complete cop out, it's redefining what Jewishness actually is that is not George Bush.
This statement literally makes no sense. What is Jewishness according to you, then, anon? If you think it's a positive force, then we can go back and look at what the Talmud and Old Testament say. If you think it isn't irrational and supremacist, I will refer you back to the books written by their own hands.

>Not when hes not a biological jew.
There's no proof that he is not a biological Jew. Many Masons are biological Jews; even Trump and Biden have Jewish ancestors. A lack of evidence does not mean it is not confirmed. Bill Gates is said to not be Jewish, and yet he looks exactly like one.

>I bet you think that Jordan Peterson is "controlled" by the Jews because he did a talk with them?
Take a look at this vid and trying say he isn't. I wouldn't call him controlled, but rather a shabbos goy.Also tell your favorite idol, TO CLEAN HIS ROOM.
https://archive.fo/Sifn3

>That is just what is shown in the public
Then what is shown in private?

>like his reverence to the Pope that you dismiss.
I didn't dismiss this. I told you he doesn't praise Catholicism to the same extent he does with Israel, but of course MAGA-tards cannot read just as they cannot function and process logic. If anything, Bush only revered the pope because the pope was a Jew himself. Even the ADL liked him. People who have the same connections will admire and compliment each other. I thought guys like you would know this, lol.

>I'm just saying that they're not the only ones in power,
You are literally implying that Jews have little or no power, despite all the evidence that points to the fact that they do. Now you're just scrambling around your arguments to make yourself look less stupid.

>There is also the B'nai B'rith
Jewish.

>there are also many international secret societies around the world as well
Vague.

>My world views doesn't have to rely on the jews or secret societies
I don't care about your moronic views. You're avoiding my argument.

>As well as acknowledge that Jews are trying to subvert us.
>I acknowledge that Jews are deceitful and subversive.
Also you,
>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
And then, your entire argument sums up as follows:
<Hey goy, ignore all the philo-semitism and all the connections the world's most powerful leaders have with Jews or that they're Jewish themselves! They don't have so much power; you're just delusional!

>personally, i think Satanism in it's purest form narrows down past and present definition of evil much better than the Jewish race
And here we have your usual religious mental retardation that says absolutely nothing of value. Just so you know, "Satan" merely means adversary in Hebrew. You're basically saying that by opposing Jews, we are in a degenerate state. Which goes to show that you're likely a Semite.


>When you say something is jewish it's natural that you provide evidence for it
I have already done this numerously.

>only a fool accepts information without being critical of it. 

Such as yourself and everything you post. Especially since you couldn't even prove that the New Testament wasn't a Jewish book.

>The real world is bigger than just Jews.
The real world says it's Jews, but some idiots don't want it to be Jews because they want to be like them but in a different format (Christianity) and repeat history. No matter what le Satan cope you bring up, it won't change that the past and present led to this period, and it was Christian, not pagan. 

https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/08/christianity-the-great-jewish-hoax/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z3vOQp7Zigp8/

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Cope and Seethe.

>>1582
why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ? just because they're nonwhite? idk about you but I only dislike nonwhites when they compete with whites for resources; there's nothing wrong when they want their own countries. the nation of islam is a good example of an organisation that's somewhat j-aware (they don't deny the holocaust) and seperatist

>>1593
the struggle against the jew belongs to all sentient races. whites may be the biggest threat, but the blacks and chinese both have huge reasons to hate the jew (slavery and the opium wars)

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>>1587
>This is the kind of shit posted by Q-tards.
Q stuff is a mix of a bunch of other established conspiracies.

>Proof that the Soviet Union was Jewish:...
I stand corrected then.

>It can't be a Red Herring if I just proved you wrong I sent. But of course, you didn't read them, because they prove you wrong. :^)
It both is and isn't a Red Herring because there are Jews in power but they're not the only ones in power.

>>Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>>If you kill your enemies, they win
>Excellent rebuttal, MIGA.
Killing one of your enemies won't get rid of the rest of your problems.

What secret societies? The Illumanti? The Freemasons? The NWOs? Jews were linked to all movements;
The New World Order can be a Jewish conspiracy but it's can also come from a lot of other sources, for example Hitler wanted a NWO for Whites.

>Behold a Pale Horse
>I hope to show that most modern secret societies and especially those that practice degrees of initiation — and that is the key — are really one society with one purpose. You may call them whatever you wish — the Order of the Quest, the JASON Society, the Roshaniya, the Qabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient and Mystical Order of Rosae Crucis, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rosicrucians, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Open Friendly Secret Society (the Vatican), the Russell Trust, the Skull & Bones, the Scroll & Key, the Order — they are all the same and all work toward the same ultimate goal, a New World Order.

>This statement literally makes no sense. What is Jewishness according to you, then, anon? If you think it's a positive force, then we can go back and look at what the Talmud and Old Testament say. If you think it isn't irrational and supremacist, I will refer you back to the books written by their own hands.
Predatory lending isn't unique to the Jews, yet that wouldn't make certain Chinese who practice predatory lending into Jews, unless they were born from a Jewish mother, the Jewish mother was always the way that others measured Jewishness.

>There's no proof that he is not a biological Jew. Many Masons are biological Jews; even Trump and Biden have Jewish ancestors. A lack of evidence does not mean it is not confirmed. Bill Gates is said to not be Jewish, and yet he looks exactly like one.
There has to be some evidence, like Jewish ancestors or else it's wishful thinking.

>Take a look at this vid and trying say he isn't. 
<the fate of the world depends on the people of Israel, just as the fate of the world depends on every individual. So you make yourself a shinning light on the hill.
I don't know why they call him Rabbi, but the second video about him telling jews to be responsible and to be better people, hes definitely being diplomatic with them. He has this video online about Jewish conspiracies where he tries very hard not to mention anything https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2ka3yNYlJCE It's too ambiguous to say. 

>Then what is shown in private?
Human Sacrifice and pedophilia.

>I told you he doesn't praise Catholicism to the same extent he does with Israel
I read the article, in a simplified sense it's for his Jewish voters, William Cooper also talks about this:  
>They may have been or may be members of the Christian or Jewish religions, but that is only to further their own ends. They are and always have been Luciferian and internationalist. They give allegiance to no particular nation, although they have used, on occasion, nationalism to further their causes. Their only concern is to gain greater economic and political power. The ultimate objective of the leaders of both groups is identical. They are determined to win for themselves undisputed control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire planet. They intend to turn the world into their conception of a Luciferian totalitarian socialist state. In the process they will eliminate all Christians, Jews, and atheists. You have just learned one, but only one, of the great mysteries.

Both the Right and Left ideals are found in Ancient Secret Societies 
>Of special interest is the powerful society in Afghanistan in ancient times called the Roshaniya — illuminated ones. There are actually references to this mystical cult going back through history to the House of Wisdom at Cairo. The major tenets of this cult were: the abolition of private property; the elimination of religion; the elimination of nation states; the belief that illumination emanated from the Supreme Being who desired a class of perfect men and women to carry out the organization and direction of the world; belief in a plan to reshape the social system of the world by first taking control of individual countries one by one, and the belief that after reaching the fourth degree one could communicate directly with the unknown supervisors who had imparted knowledge to initiates throughout the ages. Wise men will again recognize the Brotherhood. Can you hear the echo of the Nazi party, the Communist party, the extreme right and the extreme left?

>You are literally implying that Jews have little or no power, despite all the evidence that points to the fact that they do. Now you're just scrambling around your arguments to make yourself look less stupid.
I never said they have little or no power.

>>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
>And then, your entire argument sums up as follows:
>Hey goy, ignore all the philo-semitism and all the connections the world's most powerful leaders have with Jews or that they're Jewish themselves! >They don't have so much power; you're just delusional!
I didn't say that. They are a small part of the elite though. You're doing the same with Satanism in pretending that it doesn't have connections to world leaders, or even the Jews themselves.

> Just so you know, "Satan" merely means adversary in Hebrew.
The Snake in Genesis is still Satan, and even though Satan is the name of a non-personal "adversary" in the OT, hes still a personal being in the NT, hes also called a serpent in the Revelation. 
>You're basically saying that by opposing Jews, we are in a degenerate state. Which goes to show that you're likely a Semite.
Never said that either. 

>Especially since you couldn't even prove that the New Testament wasn't a Jewish book.
If you're the same anon, you still haven't proven that every single Jews is 100% evil. It was never my intention to deny the Jewish connections of the Bible, The bad behavior of the Israelite can be explained as the sinful nature of man. 

>The real world says it's Jews, but some idiots don't want it to be Jews because they want to be like them but in a different format (Christianity) and repeat history.
I'm guessing you've never read about elite Satanism? It doesn't matter if Satan is real or not what matters is the power that Satanists have over our society. No i don't want to be a Jew, and neither does the bible want me to be a jew, or else it would have me practice those rules or study the Talmud and the Kabalah.

>No matter what le Satan cope you bring up, it won't change that the past and present led to this period
Cope implies that it's a lie, prove it's a lie. Satanism predates Judaism, and there are more Satanists in charge than Jews globally considering Jews are such a small part of the population.

>Christianity is a hoax
Read the Case for Christ and Evidence that Demands a Verdict.

>>1597
Shit meant for >>1591

>>1597
>I don't know why they call him Rabbi, but the second video about him telling jews to be responsible and to be better people, 
Holy shit, you're actually retarded.

>>1601
>Jordan Paterson isn't controlled by Jews
>Anon gives two webms of Peterson worshipping a nation of pedophiles, genocidal maniacs. 
>Felt proud of being called a rabbi by Jews
>Goes on about how the fate of the world depends on Israel
>Didn't read nor refute Peterson's connection with Soros.
This is the same faggot in the other unpopular thread, ban this this retard.

>>1601
>>1603
Don't respond to him. He's a shill. He's doing exactly what they do. Cope and deny. Just report him.

>>1603
>>1607
No argument, ban what i disagree with.

>>1608
You didn't argue for anything. All you did was deny facts, and cope even harder.

>>1614
I didn't deny any facts I even was accepted when i was wrong about something, and i did argue my points you just have no argument against it and therefor you have to resort to pathetically calling me a shill or trying to get me banned when the point of this thread is to talk about religion.

I'm not coping, nothing about what i believe is a lie.

>>1616
>I didn't deny any facts I even was accepted when i was wrong about something,
You didn't shit, nigger. All you did was say he was wrong and made excuses. You made no arguments, no refutations. Just the refusal to read what he provided and then say it is wrong with some backwards logic. Your are indeed coping.

>>1618
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>>1593
>why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ?
You're so blind. I'm quite surpised that White nationalists still believe this stupid crap. We cannot co-exist with other races simply because resources and land are LIMITED. Another thing is, we are God's chosen people. Not kikes, not anyone else. God made us in his image. Non-whites are not a part of God's people and they deserve extinction. If you are a universalist kike, gtfoh and kys.

>>1622
Do whites really need all the land on earth though? I would settle for just north america, europe, and australia / new zealand tbh. maybe kick all the niggers out of south africa, too. but I respect the chinese, japanese, indians etc. they make valuable contributions to humanity even if they are different and even inferior in some respects
>whites are god's chosen people
we're chosen by our gods and the other races are chosen by theirs. I'm not a universalist, but I'm not an ethnoglobe retard either

I'm a newfag and some posts here seem pretty good, like  >>278 or >>120
and then there's pics like in >>379 or >>384
It's like that every time I take a closer looks a fascists, natsocs, etc online, I get this whiplash of good takes and utter schizo shit that just looks embarrassing.

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>>1627
There's nothing wrong with both of those 'pictures', the Big Dipper is a real constellation and the open-end pentagram was a symbol used by Pythagoreans. Your egalitarian conditioning activates a surge of negative emotions to respond in any sight of swastikas and anti-monotheist messaging.

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>>1618
When i was wrong i accepted that i was wrong, but it's not true to say i didn't make arguments. It doesn't matter even though i did make arguments because everyone ignored them and then tried to get me banned lol. Whatever, i don't expect any less from easily angered people. The Jews are part of the Satanic conspiracy since they worship a holy serpent.

Coping implies that i'm turning to a lie, it's a fact that not all jews are evil. Jordan Peterson being diplomatic to Jewish people is not enough evidence to say hes controlled by Jews. Even though everyone on TV is controlled by something but you need more evidence than just implications.

Another example of the Jews being a Red herring is Disney, they didn't get Jews in it till later but was always a pedophilie institution since it's inception, the black and white Alice cartoons demonstrate this.

>>1631
>sees a little girl in media
>cries pedophilia
You're talking about this, right?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfKbVeNu4g
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.

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>>1628
>Your egalitarian conditioning activates a surge of negative emotions to respond in any sight of swastikas and anti-monotheist messaging.
lmao, no. I don't have a problem with swastikas, but schizo arguments. Whether the big dipper really rotates like that or not is irrelevant. Some twinkling lights on the night sky mean jack shit when it comes to politics.
And the second pic is a fucking ms paint tier schizo shit that also talks about "aryan soul transcending the demiurge". C'mon now.

>>1623
Cuck

Forgot to add more:
>>1623
>chinks
Copycats. Plus they are bugmen who do not care for their fellow bugs. Even if they did care for their fellow bugs, it doesn't elevate their status. They also eat the most disgusting shit imaginable.
>nips
Just because they fought for the Axis in WWII doesn't mean they're "based". remember, they're an enemy at the end of the day. Anyone who is NOT us is an instant enemy. It's not just the kikes, you dimwit.
>indians
streetshitters. you "respect" streetshitters? You're a fucking niggerloving faggot. Didn't I already ask you to kill yourself, you race traitor?

>>1633
>Some twinkling lights on the night sky mean jack shit when it comes to politics.
You are indeed a newfag if you think spirituality and symbolism are irrelevant to politics.

>And the second pic is a fucking ms paint tier schizo shit that also talks about "aryan soul transcending the demiurge".
Yes, and?

>>1593
>why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ?
You're sounding awful alike Catboy Funetes and the other morons who are race-blind or care so much about as niggers as liberals do. Guys like you only want to either manipulate them as their superiors or unironically believe that we are all equal in spirit. The problem with non-Whites who are JQ is that they're just as anti-White as leftists and the Jews are. Some of many of them are even race-blind or hate White people as much as they claim to hate the Jews. Many non-White DRs are pro-Russian and chinkland, despite there being mountains of evidence that the both of them hate White people and resent White nationalism. They also constantly chant that they desire a "multi-polarity" which is just  Wakandanian-tier delusion of the niggers and mutts who desperately want to usurper the West as the center of politics and influence within the world for something more suitable to them.  Your "based" non-Whites only support the JQ when it is convenient to their own race. Have you not learn anything from Ye and all the other crap he was posting on twatter beside calling out the Jews such as bitching about racism, comparing himself to MLK, and praising the Haitian genocide of Whites? All Jews have to do is invite them into their hegemony and they will become disingenuous on the fact that we live in a Jew World Order. You keep insisting that they exist, but in the end you never prove it so. Just admit it, you're brown.

>plato
>aristotle
>greeks
>druids
>vedas
>buddhism
Ok, everything is kiked, what's left for us? Perhaps investigate reality through the lens of meditation, remote viewing and astral projection?

>>1674
The whole point of reading is to decide whether ideas are right or wrong and to expand on existing ideas. When you read things like Plato's dialogues, or study buddhism, you are meant to follow their logic and see where they go wrong, taking everything before those errors with you and recognizing why the rest of it is in error. Often I find that I feel an innate sense of "rightness" when reading something that fits with the Aryan worldview and eternal truth.  

We, as potential National Socialists, are meant to be the exact opposites of the reactionaries of history. Instead of basing our systems on presuppositions and the problems of the day, we drive at the root essence of history and derive our beliefs from it. While I wouldn't call our beliefs new, they also haven't been seen in full since before known history.

>christogena
The people on that site are autistic faggots who are easy to troll and debate against. Glowniggers are literally all over Christian identity movements no matter where you go because its leaders open the gates to subversion. How many times do we have to tell you stupid faggots that ((( Christian Identify ))) is just kosher White supremacy? Anyone who has read it will instantly BTFO them in any argument on the notion that Yeshua wuz Saxon or Aryan, and that Christianity is exclusive to White people. Protestants, Catholics and Orthocucks especially won't follow CI dogma because they accept that it is a universal religion and are fine with that. The idea that Wypipos are the real Jews will never work on actual or even secular Christians because they actually acknowledge that they are not Jews by blood. Also CIs only hate the Jews because they are envious and want to be like them.

>>8 (OP) 
Don't forget to add EVROPA SOBERANA's mythical Roma contra Judea, Judea contra Roma.

https://archive.org/details/RomeContraJudaea

>>1693
I'm busying reading Nietzsche at the moment, can you give a breakdown?

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dumping random thoughts here:
Christianity is something we'll have to work with, for better or worse. When we establish a white ethnostate (preferably in the PNW), a sizable contingent will be Christian.
Christianity is considered a conservative tradition simply because it's been with us for so long; it provided Medieval Europe with the unifying ideology they needed. However, it's Abrahamic and Levantine, and not truly of our Volk, but rather a foreign borrowing fitted to our purposes. Our true roots are pagan. Shinto is an analogous form of paganism for the Japanese, and as a living tradition, gives us a sense of what Western Paganism might've been to this day had it not been submerged under an Abrahamic tidal wave.
Christianity was in many ways the Leftism of the ancient world. Its egalitarianism, slave morality, race denialism, and aggressive virulence are all strikingly similar. It was a radical cult in the Roman era, which has only become venerable through its long history.

Also, the sketch I posted earlier + a swastika alternative. Escaping the simulation of the Demiurge through transcendent spiritual properties is a tricky thing to represent with a simple sketch, but I'm pretty much set on the open pentagram and multiple infinities, both of which are subtle redpills.

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>>8 (OP) 
>Abrahamism Deprogramming
Literarily impossible.
It's alternatives atheism-agnosticism & neo-paganism are simply too weak to replace it.

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>>1817
To add to my post:
Any theology based on politics(fundamentally materialistic) can NEVER replace an actual religion based on a spiritual-emotional 'deeper reality'.
THAT is what neo-paganism is, at its heart. A cynically designed false-religion with people "worshiping" deities that they, in their hearts simply don't and never will believe are real.
And, atheism-agnosticism is really just a prop for the 'useful tool' of science; which is in itself a 'useful tool' for propping up our technological society. And finally; technological society, is a prop, for mankind's eternal desire to pursue immediate pleasure and escape from pain.

>>1817
>>1818
Now this is doublethink.

>religion that only got anywhere because of ((( materialist funding ))) and attracting the weak via threats of damnation is the strong horse, goy

>props
Is this the new 'spook'?

>>1819
>Is this the new 'spook'?
All avatar-fags are retards until proven spooks.

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>>1819
>Doublethink
I have never heard of 'materialist funding' of (I assume) early Christianity. Please elaborate.
>>1820
>Two images in a row, following the same theme constitutes avatar-fagging.
Anon...

>>1817
It is far from impossible, many Anon's from this board and it's past iterations have broken away completely, the lemmings do not matter, they will either abandon the jewish religion or be left to die with their nigger spics and jews, either way, we win, as we always will, because as we follow the will of the Gods, we follow the will of Nature and Nature always wins eventually.
>>1825
He means jews, the religion was a nearly entirely jewish movement for probably the first 5 centuries of it's existence, and it has never been Aryan in any way shape or form.

>>1817
>Literarily impossible.
It's alternatives atheism-agnosticism & neo-paganism are simply too weak to replace it.
This is a perfect example of trying to establish a false dichotomy.

>>1828
Also, notice how it's always the weebs who say stupid shit. Further proof that anime rots the brain as much as porn does.

You guys see that "Christian Nationalism" shit that was on Twitter for a week and a half? Shit was funny as fuck. It was like they all collectively forgot that they'd take a christian invader over a pagan local any day.

>>1833
Can you provide some context?

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>>1836
I cannot. I saw "Christian Nationalist" in people's bios for a while, I saw some tweets about how the system wouldn't work, then I stopped seeing it.
I was kind of hoping that somebody here was more involved in that deal than I was and was willing to share a story or something.

>>1839
I don't pay attention to shit on twitter in general. Almost everyone on there is a retard, no joke. You have NatSoc pedophiles and perverted weebs who have no idea of how fascism or national socialism works, zionists trying to infiltrate the RW, and ((( leftoids ))) being dumb and degenerate as usual. Christian nationalism was obviously a psy-op that was and never is going to get anywhere as far as being something that is exclusive to the terminally online. It's just a rehash of what the jews already want, but it is supposed to be more "traditional". Only jews and feds ever took it seriously.

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>>1631
>inb4 responding to a late comment

>When i was wrong i accepted that i was wrong,
<does nothing of the sort
You didn't admit you were wrong about the Soviet Union being jewish, which the link provides undeniable evidence of, and proceeded to make more excuses for Jordan Peterson's blatant zionism. Even if the Soviet Union connection to jews can be denied, you have failed to do so with any coherent tangibility or contrary evidence. You're doing the same rhetoric that the feds and Mossad does on a daily basis, where they come onto imageboards and other right-wing sites that oppose the New Jew Order and deny obvious facts and attempt to make the person out to be delusional. Your first sentence makes it evident that you're a fanatical liar and dishonest.

>The Jews are part of the Satanic conspiracy since they worship a holy serpent.
Look, boomer, jews aren't "satanic". Satan merely means anything that is considered an adversary to the Hebrews. I know you christcucks think it means something totally different, but that is just where you prove to everyone that you have no awareness of what you practice and worship. It is an admission that they're against truth and nature. Claiming that jews represent the negative connotation means that you are an NPC, and you hypocritically admit that Jordan Peterson is also of the same character, as his diplomatic actions do not advocate a better sense of character but a demand for greater control and "responsibility" over the world.

> It doesn't matter even though i did make arguments because everyone ignored them and then tried to get me banned lol. 
We like people who aren't disingenuous, and that is what you've been doing all this time. You refuse to be eloquent
and meaningful, which thus warrants a ban. We aren't in the wrong for dumping out ignorant and dishonest individuals.

>Jordan Peterson being diplomatic to Jewish people is not enough evidence to say hes controlled by Jews
Jordan Peterson has been worshiping jews throughout his entire career. He says things that are on par with zionists think of themselves and of course the videos the other anon provided clearly show this. His values and statements literally align with the Talmud. The issue isn't that there is no evidence of him being controlled by jews by links above, it is that you're too ignorant or purposely refuse to put the pieces together. Try applying all the things he has said about the jews and replace them with White people, and then you'll say he's a White supremacist.

>>1538
Gnostic theodicy is pretty simple and elegant. Material world is drowned in suffering and injustice because it was created by an evil, Jewish idea.

Mainstream Christians have to jump through many a hoop to explain the 'problem of evil' away, or to force themselves to not believe their lying eyes.

>>1582
Why should we despise Indians who want to live in India without Jewish influence? Or Muslims who want to be Muslims in a desert without kikes or kiked out American military bombing them every other day?

Non-whites are a problem in White societies. All of them. Even the 'good' ones. But they're not a problem if they're staying in their jungle/deserts.

>>2089
>Material world is drowned in suffering and injustice because it was created by an evil, Jewish idea.
How do people reconcile the idea of the material world being evil with nature and the inner workings of the natural world being beautiful? You would just have to not think about it, or be so consumed by jewish thought that you deny your inner appreciation of nature. It only seems to hold up to me of you don't think about it at all.

>>2092
>How do people reconcile the idea of the material world being evil with nature and the inner workings of the natural world being beautiful?
>>>/fascist/970

>>2092
Elaborate answer is given by Schopenhauer (building on Plato) in World as a Will and Representation and is not conditional on any religious dogma.

A short answer is that Beauty is transcedned and not wholly of this world. Art, especially music, provides a direct glimpse beyond the dreary tapestry that ordinary men call 'their' world (More accurately, it's the world that has them, not other way around.)

>>2103
*transcendent
Holy fuck I cannot spell today! Demiurge must be mad at me more than usual.

>>2089
If you think the world the material world is Jewish because things don't turn out to be in your favor, then you're fucking retarded not to mention against fucking fascism. I don't know why you gnostic-tards are here, because your own beliefs are against are universalist and non-action taking dribble.

<I'm a devoted reader of Evola, particularly of his extraordinary political and social-philosophical texts, but take heed of 'Evolianism' (and the even more dangerous Guénonism) that turns away from practical, tangible issues. Reflection must serve action and is not to be confused with metaphysical tautalogies. I particularly address this warning to my Italian friends. – Guillaume Faye, Why We Fight

<Once blasphemy against God was the greatest blasphemy, but God died, and thereupon these blasphemers died too. To blaspheme the earth is now the most dreadful offence, and to esteem the bowels of the Inscrutable more highly than the meaning of the earth. -Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.

>>2000
>spengler
he was a jew

>>2111
And occasionally Jews tell the truth, That is one such moment for Oswald Spengler.

>>2103
>Art, especially music, provides a direct glimpse beyond the dreary tapestry that ordinary men call 'their' world (More accurately, it's the world that has them, not other way around.
First, if Schopey actually understood Plato's metaphysics, he would realize that, with the One being static and the source of all things, as well as the greatest good, everything that emanates from it must constitute a greater good on some scale, whether at an earthly level or universally. Ultimately, your view of beauty is subjective, because you are refusing to view certain things on a higher level, and, in doing this, you deny yourself the ability so see the struggle of the Aryan with the world, and against the Jew, as beautiful in a certain way. There is beauty in everything, even if, through the lens of racial morality, we see things like the jew as inherently disgusting and evil, and rightly so. 

We don't need music or art to see the transcendent in man. The story of Adolf Hitler should be proof enough of this. 

>>2096
>>>/fascist/970
Lel, that post was, in part, a response to one of my posts. I should have squashed that guy's fetid opinions when I had the chance. 

Now, I'm a firm believer in transcendental metaphysics, but what that anon is saying is actual nonsense. It feels like reading Evola or the Church Fathers in the worst way possible. He takes a lot of needlessly complicated terms and a lot of words to say nothing of substance. 

I am reminded of the Buddha's concept of unanswerable questions: Do I exist, do others exist, et cetera. This anon answers similarly useless questions, such as "How do I, specifically, escape suffering", and "What happens to ME when I die", predicated by faulty metaphysics. He shows his hatred of the struggle that defines not only the Aryan, but also all life by seeing it as wholly evil. Not once does the poster summon the courage to mention the Jews by name, and he says that the "balance" of universal forces is somehow evil, even though the overturning of either of these forces would result in the end of struggle and lead, essentially, to eternal entropy (although the struggle for dominance is totally appropriate). "Gnostic" thought is just a striving against nature and natural law, and this is not what Aryans do.

This anon >>2109 is right. At its core,  gnosticism is almost entirely focused on non-physical, selfish pursuits, and is therefore anti-life and harmful to the Aryan spirit.

>>2109
Nietzsche is a hack, a degenerate syphilitic, and a profound hater of German nation. By his own admission.

You talk about action, but here we are both shitposting on anonymous imageboards. The thought and action must be in correspondence to each other. You can protest trannies at your local school districts, fight antifa or do some other tough guy bullshit - it does not affect the System in the slightest bit. And if you had the ability to harm Wall Street or City of London Jews, you'd have already done so.

So, yes, "we" are very much against taking ill-thought out actions that do nothing but harm to the doer and to the other White men.

Other anon
>>2113
Posits a priori an existence of some Aryan spirit. Of course, we've al read Evola and aforementioned Guenon. However, it seems to lack a positive definition, and a negative one (Aryan spirit is a spirit that is not Jewish) is too inclusive, since it would incorporate primitive (unaffected by Semitic religions) Negroes, most Asians and other Savages.
It is fine to say 'I know the Aryan spirit exists, but I don't know what it is'. Then, the next question should be 'How can we know what it is?'.

But instead, charlatans like you begin to throw out the entirety of Aryan philosophy arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'. 

That is Judaism, pure and simple.

>>2112
Agree. Spengler is one of the few Jews with true that we can take well from learning from, but ultimately he's still a hack who doesn't deserve praise for who he is.

>>2114
>Nietzsche is a hack, a degenerate syphilitic
Nietzsche literally gave birth to Fascism and National Socialism. Even if you want to argue that he wasn't, he was still a huge inspiration. To call him a hack is to call the ideology you pretend to be part of a hack as well. The belief in Aryan superiority was also inspired by Nietzsche. Confirmed shill, or just retarded?

>and a profound hater of German nation. By his own admission.
He stated that he hated what Germany had become. Nietzsche detested the state, the institutions, and the religion that have corrupted the Teutonic mind. He views the Teutonic, aka the blond beast, as magnificent in contrast to the Der Deutche, who has become submissive and passive due to Christianity's magic turning great men into cattle. He made this clear in his writings, but of course those who oppose Nietzsche never have anything intelligent to say because they can't read for anything.

>You talk about action, but here we are both shitposting on anonymous imageboards
You lack self-awareness. You also claim to have le esoteric and muh gnostic knowledge, but here you are shitposting a meme and a bunch of ignorant dribble that accomplishes nothing other than inactivity and hopean. In the end, what you say and use against me also applies to (((  You  ))). Because you aren't enlightening Whites, you're up making theories and stating what you believe based on your own thoughts and those of other retards like yourself who think in a similar fashion to you (Evola and Guenon).


>he thought and action must be in correspondence to each other.
No shit Sherlock. Too bad gnostic-tards such as yourself fail to recognize what this means and how to bring it about. 

>You can protest trannies at your local school districts, fight antifa or do some other tough guy bullshit - it does not affect the System in the slightest bit.
And, sitting your ass, LARPing as some priest, and spewing bullshit about the Aryan spirit is totally a step to take down the system. Try formulating a constructive point with self-awareness and elaborating how your failed philosophical garbage will succeed when you're not in a lesser position. To imply that Fascism or National Socialism are compatible with gnostic garbage in any way or form confirms that you do not know what you preach, faggot. I've noticed that all you have are insults, are you woman by chance? 

>And if you had the ability to harm Wall Street or City of London Jews, you'd have already done so.
What is this "You", you mean. It sounds to me that you're implying that you're outside of this circle.

>>2114
Can you clarify what parts of Christian Gnostic thought you agree with and what parts you don't?

>it seems to lack a positive definition, and a negative one (Aryan spirit is a spirit that is not Jewish) is too inclusive, since it would incorporate primitive (unaffected by Semitic religions) Negroes, most Asians and other Savages.
Morality and Race Consciousness is individual to each race. The Aryan Spirit is the spirit of the Aryan people. It needs no other definition, and is felt intuitively. It is justice, honor, right. If you can't sense it, I don't know what to tell you. I know it, and gnostic thought is opposed to it.

The Jewish spirit is the spirit we see commonly in Jews. These concepts really aren't that complicated. You are only trying to deconstruct them because you cannot actually defend gnosticism.

None of this is to mention the fact that, instead of actually engaging with any of the arguement so in my previous post, you chose to pilpul about some gay socratic notion of "you cant know anything because you cannot perfectly define it". 

Try arguing for your "ill-defined" metaphysics next time instead of hen-pecking my argument. You have still not addressed how a being of the same spirit of the jews is able to harness beauty as a part of its creation when the jews, and by extension, the "demiurge" should be entirely incapable of this. You can't say, "he corrupted absolute forms of beauty", because anything that exists in the physical world must be in some way imperfect (differing from heavenly form) to be perceived. You would be then be advocating for the total dissolution of the material world, which would out you as anti-life and anti-struggle, and therefore not a fascist or National Socialist.

>But instead, charlatans like you begin to throw out the entirety of Aryan philosophy arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'
>That is Judaism, pure and simple.
These are two more instances of pilpul. In the first one, you cast the wide net of "charlatans like you" over everybody who disagrees with you and then boldly, and quite falsely, declare gnostic thought to "the entirety of Aryan Philosophy", despite gnostic thought, like all anti-life thought systems, originating from non-aryan peoples (here it comes from the jews). And in regards to your "arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'", I'll say this: I'll argue on behalf of an ill-defined 'Aryan spirit until the day I die, because I feel it in me. Every genuine person on this site feels it, but you don't. That is because you are here to shill your homo pseudo-jew world view, and not to advocate for Aryans. You are placing "gnosticism" before your own people. You need to get over yourself. 

And don't try to Saul Alinsky me. It isn't going to work. Go sperg about the demiurge, or prison planet, or loosh farming on 4/x/, they'll eat it up there. We don't want it here though.

I find it funny and worrying that there still exists the type of anons who haven't come to realize that Gnosticism is a sham. I wouldn't be surprised if it were used by feds as a weapon against right-wingers and fascists as well.

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>>8 (OP) 
>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
I think the biggest disillusionment is the crusader memes and the concept of a holy land.

Even North Korea has Mt. Paektu as a holy land.

What about us? Mt. Zion?

>>2197
Mount Olympus, Uppsala, Delphi, Wewelsburg Castle, numerous locations where churches now sit and must be leveled and cleansed with the blood of christniggers, just to name a few

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I guess it's time to leave nazism as well.

>>2253
Veronica Clark, whom most of the bullshit in your little picture is "sourced" from is a christnigger that tries to slander National Socialism with a lot of blatantly untrue bullshit about Hitler, like that he liked christianity and devout rather than the truth of him despising it so thoroughly that he didn't trust any of his personal SS Unit to be Christian or to attend Church regularly as his conversations with Mussolini show us, and how they acted with minorities and racial inferiors.This cunt does this by pointing out and focusing on  facts such as that NSDAP Germany used foreign volunteers, just like the french did, and many others in the second world war alone, no country or nation has ever really refused that, also that they allowed people considered German under the Nuremburg laws to be non-jewish is also not remotely surprising, even if today we wouldn't let those people in, because we understand genetics better now, having one jewish great-grandfather did not, under those laws, make one not German. Exceptions were for 1/4th to full jews made for outstanding service and merit mostly in the Wehrmacht. Hitler was not unreasonable, and was quite pragmatic and even the most Hardcore NS knows this and considers it a consequence of Hitler's conception of Honor and ignorance of things revealed only after he left this world.

/christian/ is the new /leftypol/, raiding almost all other boards and sites from the webring to forcing their ideas and if you disagree... oh boy, they will samefag and spam black cocks.

>>2256
Hitler should have never allied with non-Whites. That's how non-Whites get into White nationalism; they claim that "see, Hitler's cool with the darker races!" We don't want them and we do not need them simply because they are our enemies too; jews aren't the only one (which A LOT of people think they are).

>>2261
Hitler made mistakes, as do we all. that said his use of lesser races as fodder and when their use outweighs the risk was a necessity and being the very life of Germany was at risk he can't be blamed for choosing not to  refuse any helping hand he was offered.

>>2261
>Hitler should have never allied with non-Whites. That's how non-Whites got into White nationalism 
Non-Whites got into White nationalism because of shit-skins who found themselves on /pol/, and the fault of neo-nazi feds tolerating and purposely inviting spics and niggers to White exclusive movements. Are we now blaming faults that were established by imageboard weeaboos, on Hitler rather than themselves?

>>2256
>having one jewish great-grandfather did not, under those laws, make one not German.
It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.

>>2253
>wikipedia as a source
>veronica clark
Are you retarded?

>>2300
>It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.
Are you going to do the same for christcuckery?

>>2300
>It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.
Why do I sense that you're a fed trying hard to get us to drop National Socialism?

Occasionally I'll visit a church in hopes that I'll meet some other young whites who live responsibly despite having differing religious beliefs. All I ever find are niggerkike-worshipping Boomers.
In a way it's a whitepill because it means that Christianity is dying of its own accord. But it isn't as if young people are flocking to AFA, either. They just become hedonists and fornicators.
The Jews have done more damage to us than I ever dreamed. I'm kind of demoralised, tbh. I have no idea how to begin meeting others who see eye to eye with me. Every young white I know is a golem NPC. I unironically find more agreement with conservative Jews and immigrants from the mideast, because at least they value their own cultures. It makes me want to drink.
Sorry for the blogspot but as someone who's always relied on the internet as an intellectual outlet the encroaching censorship has really taken a toll on my mental health. Even Frenschan is run by oversensitive Christcucks.

>>2253
>Veronica Clark 
She's a psuedo-historian. She writes stupid shit on "black nazis" and negroes living within Germany. Her books lack evidence and much of is it are just made up stories. The only instance she could use of negroids associating with Germans would have to be The Free Arabian Legion which were a military unit established to fight the Allies within Tunisia and help them overthrow British/Free France occupation across North-Africa and Syria. Although, the majority of them weren't niggers of any case, but were mostly of West-Asian/North African origin. They also may have been recruited by Gaylani due to a lack of manpower not because the Germans were willing and accepting of anyone of different races. Working with the Germans doesn't make you a nazi.

>On Nazis of non-Germanic decent
>sources are from a former Israeli agent
The wiki page within your image isn't even from (((  wikipedia  ))), but military history wiki, which both are infamous for incorrect and vague sources. Most of the the individuals who are said to be mischlings originates from ((( Rigg )))'s "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", which is dubious and misleading. For instance, all of his accounts of German high-ranking officials are only said to have had one grand-parent who supposedly have jew blood but only according to Rigg. The Nuremberg Laws specifically categorized mischlings as "half-jew" and "one-quarter", so I barely see how they were jewish if they just would fail Israel's own DNA tests for qualification of citizenship. None of them were said to be apart of the party itself as well, only soldiers of the German military. He himself even admits that they were going to kick out all mischlings from the Wehrmacht altogether, but I hold strongly that he is lying about it all if not most of his accounts of high officials and poster children being jewish as most agents of Israel do. Not to mention that he fails to bring any traces or evidence for jewish ancestry, I don't know this guy is considered to have found a great discovery. 

>volunteers
The Waffen-SS containing jews and non-Aryans is blatant lie; they were barred from joining even if they had only a single jewish grand-parent or weren't German at all. Your image is comprised of foreign volunteers of the Wehrmacht to resolve geopolitical conflicts of the French and British Empires were using against the Germans, Italians and Japanese respectively. Only exclusively European descendants were able to join the SS. 

>b-but muh pajeets in da SS!!!!
Azad Hind Fauj simply were just another military unit of volunteers who were used for anti-partisan activities and to eliminate British influences throughout India. The SS generally were assigned to curtail any form of rebellion against the Reich, thus they collaborated and recruited sympathetic POWs and nationalists Indians who also wanted the British out of India as well. Not anything affecting the over-all system and party of the Reich or acceptance of non-Germans in a party for German and Aryans exclusively. What a bunch of cope, you lolbergs and MAGA-cucks can't even provide accurate information, just more retarded shit that comes from agents and bad historians.

While /christian/ keeps raiding other boards or spamming black cocks, their masters are happy.
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Man I don't get to come here often because I'm an incredibly busy person now by the time I find this place but op, I fuckin' love you for making this thread and judging by the replied I really feel I've found some family. It's soo hard to find a klan of quality racial Men who aren't completely brainwashed larping Hebes. 

Anyways, something I do is I call them out on absolutely everything that comes out of their mouth. Every contradiction, every insult to our people or myself, every hypocrisy, I don't give them an inch. Don't ever surrender ground to a Christian (or Abrahamist in general). Not one inch. They're not in fucking charge and I'm not going to let them act like they are.

Christ is King.
He will come back.
I have nothing againts pagans or paganism and alot of evidence suggests pagan gods are angels in christianity.
Christianity is againts everything jewish.
I denouce the talmud.
Shills gonna kvetch.

>>2488
>claims to deny jews
<Follows Jewish mythology
You niggers will never stop betraying your own.

>>2488
Wasted dubs on obvious bait.

>>2488
>a lot of evidence suggests pagan gods are angels in christianity
there is no evidence of this.

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How does this not make him an asshole?

>>2531
That tree had it coming.

>>2548
Except the tree had nothing do with Israel.