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What is even a good email provider to use anymore?
>inb4 selfhost your email
most info taken from: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/email.html
probably incomplete quick list, but you could read the dippity dopper article for more information

<gmail, yahoo, etc.
>big corpo trash
>sells data to 3rd party advertisers
<ProtonMail
>Shady metadata policy (retained for an indefinite amount of time)
>URLs in onion hidden service site point to the clearnet (information is from 2019, cannot reconfirm as the hidden service never loads as of the time writing this)
>Account creation verification blocks some email domains from being used to verify the account (Riseup and possibly cock.li domains for example)
>Doesn't allow usage of your own PGP keys and forces their private keys generated on their servers instead through a JS web interface, many backdoors
>Requires to use their stupid bridge thing for mail clients, possible backdoor
<Tutanota
>Blocks registration through Tor and VPNs (possibly tested with RiseupVPN only, didn't test with MullvadVPN)
>Only allows 1 account per IP
>Doesn't allow to use external mail clients (Thunderbird, Claws Mail, etc.) except the Tutanota desktop mail cleint
>Doesn't allow usage of your own PGP keys and shills against PGP | see here: https://archive.fo/CqG2R https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/innovative-encryption/
<cock.li
>often has issues with signing in to view mail
>all the email domains cock.li offers are usually blocked by other sites since cock.li is mostly used for throwaway accounts and spam
<Riseup
>TOS is a bit restrictive and Riseup is intended to be used by activists exclusively
>claims that they will pull the plug if compromised by the government, but they handed over data to the government one time
<Disroot
>restrictive TOS like Riseup, but the admin claims the service is not activist exclusive
>greylists some rarely used email providers
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>expecting even the simplest most basic technology to just werk in current year
I suggest using a time machine to go into the past.
>>95 (OP) 
Real question why don’t you just self host? It’s super easy and it’s cool 
https://youtu.be/9zP7qooM4pY
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>>98
wouldn't you need your own domain for that though? and to get said domain you'd have to give personal info to the providers?
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>>98
>20 fucking minutes of configuring shit with third party helper scripts is what linuxfags consider "easy"
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>>102
by comparison, yes
>>100
You could always get a domain from njal.la and a vps/dedi from a provider that accepts bitcoin (anonymized through monero ofc).
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>>112
Domains from njal.la cost like 15 euros minimum a year, and maybe it'd be a bit tricky to find a more anonymous VPS provider at a cheap price. I dunno much about VPS providers.
Replies: >>114
>>113
I think BuyVM accepts Bitcoin payments, and they are 2 dollars a month. I'm sure there are others.

Regardless the only benefit of having your own email is security. Unless you make it a public service, you lose your anonymity and have to pay for it.
<Protonmail
You should add the following issues:
>Admins will delete your account if they find you politically or culturally unpalatable.
>Corollary: TOS is full of holes that can screw you over if they need it to be
>Basic features are severely hindered (e.g. filters and folders) unless you pay
>Their IMAP/POP3/STMP implementation is very sketchy as OP says. Also only three email clients are supported. Only one can be considered privacy-friendly (Thunderbird), but we know Mozilla is about to implode.
>Uses Google Craptcha
>If there ever is a problem with the mailbox de-encryption, kiss all your email data goodbye. There is easy way to backup data. 
t. Protonmail user who wants to start using his own email server if he can get the money.
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Use whatever one works and assume it's logging everything. If you want secure communications don't use unencrypted email, or better yet don't use email at all. Tutanota has retarded limits on outgoing mail last time I used it, so I wouldn't use it for anything you need to spend outbound mail on.
>>127
>>Uses Google Craptcha
Haven't heard of that before. It's been a very long time since I had a ProtonMail account.
If you want to only receive emails e.g. sign up for things. https://anonbox.net/ appears to be a pretty stellar service.
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>>157
>Chaos Computer Club runs anonbox
Aren't they the guys who keep DDoSing cock.li?
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>>127
>>Uses Google Craptcha
Holy fuck this is real
>good email provider
Email implies no privacy. So good is secure, the only way to be sure about security is having full control over it. Selfhost is the only option.
>good
>free
Pick one. It isn't even expensive. My VPS costs less than $5 per month.
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>>244
We’re not all made of money, nigger
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>>245
lmao your NEET bux can't even cover $5 a month?
>gib me dat malebox
Yo da reel nigga.
>>244
>associating your financial information with a server that could be snooped on by the owners at any moment
You need to go back to opsec 101 anon.
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>>250
Aren't there some VPS providers that require no or minimal personal information AND support Bitcoin (most likely) and/or Monero?
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>>250
Ever heard of gift cards in cash and >>251, caveanon?
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>>252
oh sure, let me just mail them some cash in the postal system and get them to somehow attribute it to me without being tracked back to my residence
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>>253
Dumb nigger, gift visa cards. Take meds, delusional faggot, where does mailing them cash come from?
>Riseup
Didn't they have a code of conduct that siad that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
>ProtonMail
Currently using it as my "normalfag presenting" email as it seems to be the decent for that but unfortunately, as everyone is pointing out, the service has some big questions that don't have the right answers.
>cockmail
Currently the best you can do if you just need to communicate with someone and need to keep the email, but of course most sites block registration using it

IF you want to use your own server and don't feel safe with a VPS, consider maybe getting a cheap thin client and hosting off of that. On eBay there are open box Dell Wyse 5020 for cheap and they have some old ass AMD quad core. They are passively cooled and don't make a sound, cost like $2 a year in energy, and are way more than powerful enough to run a mail or web server. Put a distro on it and you're set. Then you need a domain, if you don't want to pay $10 a year then get one of those shitty free African domains from Freenom.
If you don't want to buy something that specific over the internet without revealing your identity you're shit out of luck, maybe use a computer you already own to host a server and fake details for a Freenom domain name. By nature most of these things require something that will always go back to you, and that is the nature of email too. email was a mistake and is very insecure by nature, even if the ancient protocol was fixed you still have yourself to keep in check when you use it (as with any communication, really). IMO if you don't want to go through the hassle of hosting yourself, use some brand-name "secure" email like ProtonMail for gay shit like vidya and cancer social media accounts, and use cock.li for personal communications between your closest contacts (behind encryption like PGP of course) because you don't need any personal info to make an cockmail. Ultimately, with most forms of messaging on the internet, there's not many ways you can prevent anyone from seeing that you, person X, sent a message to person Y, and the US government has admitted they've drone striked people just for that. Not trying to be doom and gloom, more like acknowledging that there isn't a perfect way to do online communication.
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>>256
>getting a cheap thin client and hosting off of that
Sadly not enough if you have actually hosted your own mail. ISPs have been blocking port 25(smtp) for a long long time. They charge at least $50 more per month just to keep that port opened. The VPS is used for reverse proxying all connection through IPsec/OpenVPN to your home server. It won't be fast, but it is the cheapest. Any cheap VPS that offers port 25 will do, I have seen some asking only $1 monthly.
Replies: >>262
>>260
Damn I didn't know they blocked the port outright so I guess I wasted my breath. Sure is great to be anally raped by an ISP!!!
>>256
>Didn't they have a code of conduct that siad that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
Someone once reported an anon from nanochan giving invites away for free and they banned him for being a 'nazi'
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>>281
Figures. They're marxists.
>>256
>>Riseup
>Didn't they have a code of conduct that said that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
Yeah, it's meant to be utilized by commies. Reading through their website, the recommended way to get an account is to be invited by somebody you met at a communist activist event in person. They also gloat about deleting accounts with account names that are "problematic." This is unrelated to email, but anons should keep in mind that the Tails project has close ties with Riseup. Their logo is on the Tails homepage and Tails' xmpp room is hosted on Riseup. Overall, it's suspect as fuck. Shame that Heads is pretty much dead.
>>cockmail
>Currently the best you can do if you just need to communicate with someone and need to keep the email, but of course most sites block registration using it
Lately, cockmail has had a ddos problem. Not sure about the details, but from what I read Vincent pissed off some fag at DefCon or something and they've been attacking his servers ever since. It causes the email to be quite slow and sometimes just not work. So if any anons plan to use it for personal communication in the future, just keep in mind that it may just fail to work at times. Also, Vincent Canfield is known to have solicited users of his service to join some MMO clan in a game called EVE Online ran by "goons" and later was suspected of being used for actual money laundering. Not sure how true it is, but I remember it making the rounds in the rumor mill a few years ago, and the email itself that he sent out about the game definitely exists.
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>>333
>Vincent Canfield is known to have solicited users of his service to join some MMO clan in a game called EVE Online ran by "goons" and later was suspected of being used for actual money laundering.
Post more about this, images or whatever. I'd like to know more about this.

Why does the email provider situation have to be this bad?
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>>335
Different anon and I don't have anything, but I remember when he sent an email about joining EVE. He basically shitpost(ed) at the users through emails, but maybe that's something I forgot to opt out of.
>>335
I logged in to one of my old emails with Cockmail and managed to dig up the original email. It's actually relatively long, so I won't paste the whole thing here and shit up the thread. If you want me to forward the full email to you, just give me an email and I'll do so. Otherwise, here is a .txt of the whole thing: files.catbox.moe/7x71ir.txt
As for the money laundering, it's hard to find anything through searx on Goonswarm's alleged illegal activities. I remember people on 8chan talking about it years ago, so if you search through old archived threads on archive.is you might pull up something.

Here's an excerpt of particular about his clan from the email:
>Some info about my alliance: I am part of the Goonswarm Federation. Goonswarm is primarily comprised of members of Something Awful, and has a reputation for being griefers and using dirty tricks wherever it benefits them. We are the most hated alliance in the game, and the target of the most recent war. We are REALLY hated by redditors in particular which makes watching their tears and mental jumping jacks especially entertaining. The unofficial motto is "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game." If that idea sounds fun to you, you should DEFINITELY join!

I don't really think this is a smoking gun or anything. But Vincent's association with SA is worrying at the very least. He isn't known to delete accounts for any reason except inactivity from what I know, so it's leaps and bounds better than riseup's Marxist garbage. As long as you're using PGP then it's not really relevant who he is necessarily. The real annoying thing about cockmail is how fucking slow and unreliable it is, which is a result of external attacks on the site. Try using the service for an extended amount of time to see what I mean.
I'd selfhost email at this point, maybe make it cockmail 2 but invite-only similar to the invite codes that Riseup uses, but I'm unsure about being able to keep it up for long or even getting to host it in the first place.
t. cockmail user
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>>339
If you do end up doing something like that, definitely post it here. At the beginning of the thread, some jewtube video was posted where a guy uses a script he wrote that seems to do a lot of the work for you when setting it up. As for hosting, you could always e-beg your members for money to keep the server up and maybe clear out the mailboxes hosted on the server every few months (transparently of course, so people are prepared and can download their mail and save it locally). If it's kept small and the servers are cleaned out pretty often it should be quite cheap to host.
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>>340
Got it, but it probably would be coming up anytime soon. I wish I could get it up and running sooner than what I can do for now (1 or 2 years).
I'll leave pic related here, may be of use. (buyvm is probably something to stay away from, they cucked out and gave fatchan the boot for some /pol/ fiasco thing.)
t. not /pol/ack
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>>341
It isn't that hard, but there are a lot to learn.
Very good guide I referenced: 123qwe.com (archive: https://archive.vn/KtBy5 and https://archive.vn/o0Vcv)
Just skip over the nextcloud part.
t. Done that
>>333
People don't know what goons are. The majority of the original cuckchan userbase were goons or at least enjoyed somethingawful's content. It was one of the biggest internet influencers until /b/ took it's still and unleashed it. Being an old Goon (the type who defined Eva for many years) isn't a bad thing. It's being a modern "goon" who are entirely pozzed which is. Their Eva clan is likely laundering money and other stuff, but so is every other large eva group. It's the nature of the people playing it.

Cockmail got raided by german feds a while back who grabbed a server a few years back. I believe he complied willingly so he could be sketchy. I wouldn't use a meme provider for private email. You're much better off on protonmail or even gmail since you shouldn't be posting risky shit on email at all any way. Better to look like another normalfag and blend in with the crowd than stand out and get noticed. Having [email protected] is one of the best ways to ghost through places that want your email for things. Like doctors appointments or dentists. If you look like a normal person who only uses email for normal things you can have your back up 1337 haxxor email encrypted in the shadows where it's not obvious you're trying to hide something no one else is. It's like being a spy, you want a good boy image everyone sees so no one notices you're fucking them over behind their backs. Using a common email provider to order bitch basic stuff does that well.
>>98
Doing this I feel like your outgoing emails would get filtered by spam filters so often that it would be too unreliable to use. I've never tried it but that's what I heard from discussions on email in many places.

Stumbled upon this and figured I'd post it here
https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-recommendations.html

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