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What is even a good email provider to use anymore?
>inb4 selfhost your email
most info taken from: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/email.html
probably incomplete quick list, but you could read the dippity dopper article for more information

<gmail, yahoo, etc.
>big corpo trash
>sells data to 3rd party advertisers
>Shady metadata policy (retained for an indefinite amount of time)
>URLs in onion hidden service site point to the clearnet (information is from 2019, cannot reconfirm as the hidden service never loads as of the time writing this)
>Account creation verification blocks some email domains from being used to verify the account (Riseup and possibly cock.li domains for example)
>Doesn't allow usage of your own PGP keys and forces their private keys generated on their servers instead through a JS web interface, many backdoors
>Requires to use their stupid bridge thing for mail clients, possible backdoor
>Blocks registration through Tor and VPNs (possibly tested with RiseupVPN only, didn't test with MullvadVPN)
>Only allows 1 account per IP
>Doesn't allow to use external mail clients (Thunderbird, Claws Mail, etc.) except the Tutanota desktop mail cleint
>Doesn't allow usage of your own PGP keys and shills against PGP | see here: https://archive.fo/CqG2R https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/innovative-encryption/
>often has issues with signing in to view mail
>all the email domains cock.li offers are usually blocked by other sites since cock.li is mostly used for throwaway accounts and spam
>TOS is a bit restrictive and Riseup is intended to be used by activists exclusively
>claims that they will pull the plug if compromised by the government, but they handed over data to the government one time
>restrictive TOS like Riseup, but the admin claims the service is not activist exclusive
>greylists some rarely used email providers
>expecting even the simplest most basic technology to just werk in current year
I suggest using a time machine to go into the past.
>>95 (OP) 
Real question why don’t you just self host? It’s super easy and it’s cool 
wouldn't you need your own domain for that though? and to get said domain you'd have to give personal info to the providers?
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>20 fucking minutes of configuring shit with third party helper scripts is what linuxfags consider "easy"
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by comparison, yes
You could always get a domain from njal.la and a vps/dedi from a provider that accepts bitcoin (anonymized through monero ofc).
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Domains from njal.la cost like 15 euros minimum a year, and maybe it'd be a bit tricky to find a more anonymous VPS provider at a cheap price. I dunno much about VPS providers.
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I think BuyVM accepts Bitcoin payments, and they are 2 dollars a month. I'm sure there are others.

Regardless the only benefit of having your own email is security. Unless you make it a public service, you lose your anonymity and have to pay for it.
You should add the following issues:
>Admins will delete your account if they find you politically or culturally unpalatable.
>Corollary: TOS is full of holes that can screw you over if they need it to be
>Basic features are severely hindered (e.g. filters and folders) unless you pay
>Their IMAP/POP3/STMP implementation is very sketchy as OP says. Also only three email clients are supported. Only one can be considered privacy-friendly (Thunderbird), but we know Mozilla is about to implode.
>Uses Google Craptcha
>If there ever is a problem with the mailbox de-encryption, kiss all your email data goodbye. There is easy way to backup data. 
t. Protonmail user who wants to start using his own email server if he can get the money.
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Use whatever one works and assume it's logging everything. If you want secure communications don't use unencrypted email, or better yet don't use email at all. Tutanota has retarded limits on outgoing mail last time I used it, so I wouldn't use it for anything you need to spend outbound mail on.
>>Uses Google Craptcha
Haven't heard of that before. It's been a very long time since I had a ProtonMail account.
If you want to only receive emails e.g. sign up for things. https://anonbox.net/ appears to be a pretty stellar service.
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>Chaos Computer Club runs anonbox
Aren't they the guys who keep DDoSing cock.li?
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>>Uses Google Craptcha
Holy fuck this is real
>good email provider
Email implies no privacy. So good is secure, the only way to be sure about security is having full control over it. Selfhost is the only option.
Pick one. It isn't even expensive. My VPS costs less than $5 per month.
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We’re not all made of money, nigger
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lmao your NEET bux can't even cover $5 a month?
>gib me dat malebox
Yo da reel nigga.
>associating your financial information with a server that could be snooped on by the owners at any moment
You need to go back to opsec 101 anon.
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Aren't there some VPS providers that require no or minimal personal information AND support Bitcoin (most likely) and/or Monero?
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Ever heard of gift cards in cash and >>251, caveanon?
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oh sure, let me just mail them some cash in the postal system and get them to somehow attribute it to me without being tracked back to my residence
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Dumb nigger, gift visa cards. Take meds, delusional faggot, where does mailing them cash come from?
Didn't they have a code of conduct that siad that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
Currently using it as my "normalfag presenting" email as it seems to be the decent for that but unfortunately, as everyone is pointing out, the service has some big questions that don't have the right answers.
Currently the best you can do if you just need to communicate with someone and need to keep the email, but of course most sites block registration using it

IF you want to use your own server and don't feel safe with a VPS, consider maybe getting a cheap thin client and hosting off of that. On eBay there are open box Dell Wyse 5020 for cheap and they have some old ass AMD quad core. They are passively cooled and don't make a sound, cost like $2 a year in energy, and are way more than powerful enough to run a mail or web server. Put a distro on it and you're set. Then you need a domain, if you don't want to pay $10 a year then get one of those shitty free African domains from Freenom.
If you don't want to buy something that specific over the internet without revealing your identity you're shit out of luck, maybe use a computer you already own to host a server and fake details for a Freenom domain name. By nature most of these things require something that will always go back to you, and that is the nature of email too. email was a mistake and is very insecure by nature, even if the ancient protocol was fixed you still have yourself to keep in check when you use it (as with any communication, really). IMO if you don't want to go through the hassle of hosting yourself, use some brand-name "secure" email like ProtonMail for gay shit like vidya and cancer social media accounts, and use cock.li for personal communications between your closest contacts (behind encryption like PGP of course) because you don't need any personal info to make an cockmail. Ultimately, with most forms of messaging on the internet, there's not many ways you can prevent anyone from seeing that you, person X, sent a message to person Y, and the US government has admitted they've drone striked people just for that. Not trying to be doom and gloom, more like acknowledging that there isn't a perfect way to do online communication.
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>getting a cheap thin client and hosting off of that
Sadly not enough if you have actually hosted your own mail. ISPs have been blocking port 25(smtp) for a long long time. They charge at least $50 more per month just to keep that port opened. The VPS is used for reverse proxying all connection through IPsec/OpenVPN to your home server. It won't be fast, but it is the cheapest. Any cheap VPS that offers port 25 will do, I have seen some asking only $1 monthly.
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Damn I didn't know they blocked the port outright so I guess I wasted my breath. Sure is great to be anally raped by an ISP!!!
>Didn't they have a code of conduct that siad that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
Someone once reported an anon from nanochan giving invites away for free and they banned him for being a 'nazi'
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Figures. They're marxists.
>Didn't they have a code of conduct that said that you have to pledge to communism or some shit?
Yeah, it's meant to be utilized by commies. Reading through their website, the recommended way to get an account is to be invited by somebody you met at a communist activist event in person. They also gloat about deleting accounts with account names that are "problematic." This is unrelated to email, but anons should keep in mind that the Tails project has close ties with Riseup. Their logo is on the Tails homepage and Tails' xmpp room is hosted on Riseup. Overall, it's suspect as fuck. Shame that Heads is pretty much dead.
>Currently the best you can do if you just need to communicate with someone and need to keep the email, but of course most sites block registration using it
Lately, cockmail has had a ddos problem. Not sure about the details, but from what I read Vincent pissed off some fag at DefCon or something and they've been attacking his servers ever since. It causes the email to be quite slow and sometimes just not work. So if any anons plan to use it for personal communication in the future, just keep in mind that it may just fail to work at times. Also, Vincent Canfield is known to have solicited users of his service to join some MMO clan in a game called EVE Online ran by "goons" and later was suspected of being used for actual money laundering. Not sure how true it is, but I remember it making the rounds in the rumor mill a few years ago, and the email itself that he sent out about the game definitely exists.
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>Vincent Canfield is known to have solicited users of his service to join some MMO clan in a game called EVE Online ran by "goons" and later was suspected of being used for actual money laundering.
Post more about this, images or whatever. I'd like to know more about this.

Why does the email provider situation have to be this bad?
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Different anon and I don't have anything, but I remember when he sent an email about joining EVE. He basically shitpost(ed) at the users through emails, but maybe that's something I forgot to opt out of.
I logged in to one of my old emails with Cockmail and managed to dig up the original email. It's actually relatively long, so I won't paste the whole thing here and shit up the thread. If you want me to forward the full email to you, just give me an email and I'll do so. Otherwise, here is a .txt of the whole thing: files.catbox.moe/7x71ir.txt
As for the money laundering, it's hard to find anything through searx on Goonswarm's alleged illegal activities. I remember people on 8chan talking about it years ago, so if you search through old archived threads on archive.is you might pull up something.

Here's an excerpt of particular about his clan from the email:
>Some info about my alliance: I am part of the Goonswarm Federation. Goonswarm is primarily comprised of members of Something Awful, and has a reputation for being griefers and using dirty tricks wherever it benefits them. We are the most hated alliance in the game, and the target of the most recent war. We are REALLY hated by redditors in particular which makes watching their tears and mental jumping jacks especially entertaining. The unofficial motto is "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game." If that idea sounds fun to you, you should DEFINITELY join!

I don't really think this is a smoking gun or anything. But Vincent's association with SA is worrying at the very least. He isn't known to delete accounts for any reason except inactivity from what I know, so it's leaps and bounds better than riseup's Marxist garbage. As long as you're using PGP then it's not really relevant who he is necessarily. The real annoying thing about cockmail is how fucking slow and unreliable it is, which is a result of external attacks on the site. Try using the service for an extended amount of time to see what I mean.
I'd selfhost email at this point, maybe make it cockmail 2 but invite-only similar to the invite codes that Riseup uses, but I'm unsure about being able to keep it up for long or even getting to host it in the first place.
t. cockmail user
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If you do end up doing something like that, definitely post it here. At the beginning of the thread, some jewtube video was posted where a guy uses a script he wrote that seems to do a lot of the work for you when setting it up. As for hosting, you could always e-beg your members for money to keep the server up and maybe clear out the mailboxes hosted on the server every few months (transparently of course, so people are prepared and can download their mail and save it locally). If it's kept small and the servers are cleaned out pretty often it should be quite cheap to host.
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Got it, but it probably would be coming up anytime soon. I wish I could get it up and running sooner than what I can do for now (1 or 2 years).
I'll leave pic related here, may be of use. (buyvm is probably something to stay away from, they cucked out and gave fatchan the boot for some /pol/ fiasco thing.)
t. not /pol/ack
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It isn't that hard, but there are a lot to learn.
Very good guide I referenced: 123qwe.com (archive: https://archive.vn/KtBy5 and https://archive.vn/o0Vcv)
Just skip over the nextcloud part.
t. Done that
People don't know what goons are. The majority of the original cuckchan userbase were goons or at least enjoyed somethingawful's content. It was one of the biggest internet influencers until /b/ took it's still and unleashed it. Being an old Goon (the type who defined Eva for many years) isn't a bad thing. It's being a modern "goon" who are entirely pozzed which is. Their Eva clan is likely laundering money and other stuff, but so is every other large eva group. It's the nature of the people playing it.

Cockmail got raided by german feds a while back who grabbed a server a few years back. I believe he complied willingly so he could be sketchy. I wouldn't use a meme provider for private email. You're much better off on protonmail or even gmail since you shouldn't be posting risky shit on email at all any way. Better to look like another normalfag and blend in with the crowd than stand out and get noticed. Having [email protected] is one of the best ways to ghost through places that want your email for things. Like doctors appointments or dentists. If you look like a normal person who only uses email for normal things you can have your back up 1337 haxxor email encrypted in the shadows where it's not obvious you're trying to hide something no one else is. It's like being a spy, you want a good boy image everyone sees so no one notices you're fucking them over behind their backs. Using a common email provider to order bitch basic stuff does that well.
Doing this I feel like your outgoing emails would get filtered by spam filters so often that it would be too unreliable to use. I've never tried it but that's what I heard from discussions on email in many places.

Stumbled upon this and figured I'd post it here
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It is not that bad if you have dkim, spf and reverse DNS set up, except microjew exchange which shoot everything down as spam.
At least gmail plays fair. Don't forget to disable grey listing, it kills selfhosters the most.
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>At least gmail plays fair.
You say that but I saw this today.
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Curious if they have dkim, spf and stuff set up correctly. But (((Gmail))) is definitely botnet anyway.
>>95 (OP) 
>What is even a good email provider to use anymore?
Other than that check the list at https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
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Secmail still doesn't have IMAP/POP3 support yet as of the time writing this. They also still probably suffer from TLS security problems. At least they have implemented a v3 onion recently. They don't have a privacy policy either (but any provider can violate their own privacy policy and change it if they wanted to).
For more information (little out of date but some issues are still real to this day), read these articles:
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Is there even a hosting service that doesn't store logs? I've been thinking about setting up my own e-mail but every server host I look into either does backups (((for you own safety))) or blatantly logs the entire thing, sometimes both. The best looking one I found so far is orangewebsite but in their TOS:

>5.) Backups and Data Loss
>Using our backup services is at client's sole risk. We run backups every second day on shared hosting servers and keep multiple backup copies in our storage server. We reserve a right to charge according to our list prices to retrevieve backup upon client's request. Virtual Servers are not backed-up if no backup service is ordered. VPS backups are taken daily, monthly and weekly. New backup will replace the existing one. We offer external backup storage for dedicated servers. Client needs to setup system to send the backups over to the backup server himself.
>Backup services are provided to you as a courtesy. OrangeWebsite is not responsible for files and/or data residing on your account. You agree to take full responsibility for files and data transferred and to maintain all appropriate backup of files and data stored on OrangeWebsite servers.

Does anyone know if it's possible to deactive this or at least dodge it, it's pointless to say you are a hosting service dedicated to privacy and freedom of speech if them you write on your TOS fuck it, lets copy everything into our own servers.
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Reverse proxy all traffic to home through vps.
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quick rundown on (((protonmail)))
moved post bump
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(((Tutanota))) glows
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>tfw use it for most of my accounts
It's not like I bothered with the services encryption anyways or like I send anything that requires privacy over email, but it still stings.
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>As of November 4, 2020, Guerrilla Mail's hosting provider, OVHCloud, has shut down their website. According to the GuerillaMail Twitter account, no explanation has been provided for the incident and it was due to a "law enforcement request (which they didn't forward to us, and refuse to share details about)".
>As of November 4, 2020, GuerellaMail stated on Twitter that their site has been taken down by their hosting provider and no reason was provided.
My biggest problem with having a home server is that I live in a shithole where eletricity is expensive, really expensive. I could just get a raspberry pi if I only wanted to do e-mail shenanigans, but I feel like if I ever setup a home server I would like to do other stuff with it. I thought about making a very low powered computer as a server but even if it's weak it still consumes a lot of power, which would end up costing me a lot of money just to keep it running.
Is there any server/computer that focus on low power consumption?
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Anything ARM based as you've pointed out with the raspberry pi.
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I can't find anything better than a raspberry pi under 100 yuros, I guess I'll buy one with 4GB or 8GB. I'll try to set up an e-mail, hoard some data and make an OpenTTD server out of it. Or a minecraft server with some comfy mods if it can handle it
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>non-free firmware
>non-free gpu
Get i.mx6 or sunxi.
RPI4 sucks in the sense that its hard to find a good ARM64 RPI4 distro unless you are okay with Ubuntu. I'm not sure what else to recommend anyways.
t. RPI4 owner
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>>95 (OP) 
>a fucking word coined by a jewniggercock corporate garbage RPG game that has no fucking appeal other than being the thing marketed for like 2 years as something gaymers are supposed to care about
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>only three email clients are supported
That's abysmal. Just use Posteo instead. They more or less support every email client. Also, when using their service via webmail, they also let you use your own PGP key(s) when sending/receiving emails; unlike Protonmail which generates a key serverside when your account is registered...meaning that Protonmail can and probably does keep a copy of your accounts decryption key...
I recently found NixNet email https://nixnet.email
Seems good, but the registration is invite-only for now (email the postmaster). They don't have a ToS so I'm unsure what is not allowed besides illegal activities. I've emailed the postmaster some time ago and I'm still waiting for a response.
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>>95 (OP) 
idk anon, but personally i use protonmail
Gentoo is now availible for arm64
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>What is even a good email provider to use anymore?
None. And I really don't think that there could ever be, and self-hosting doesn't solve many of the problems with email since metadata can still be gathered and you're fucked either way if you want anything resembling anonymity.
Better to use something like Bote for I2P which is truly anonymous, but last time I tried to it seemed like the project was dead in the water and no one was maintaining it, so in regards to email it's all fucked up.
>set up own email server
>use mail alias service (or set one up yourself) to register for all of your accounts without giving away your real email address
>encrypt mail sent from alias service to your real email with PGP
Should work fine as long as you only use email to sign up for shit and don't actually try to communicate privately (which is impossible through email anyway).
Can confirm. Running Gentoo on a rpi4 right now and its good
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What are you using it for? I have one installed with gentoo I'm just a bit uninspired other than playing with sniffer. I'm thinking a fullhome firewalldo vpn route unit running some crap like fail2ban.

Or should install OPNsense for this purpose instead?
NixNet Mail feels significantly better than Cockmail for now.
You know that Cyberpunk has been a tabletop game for longer than you've been alive and has been vernacular in cyberpunk as a genre forever you fucking NIGGER
||Cyberpunk was made by an actual nigger though so okay||
>>95 (OP) 
cock.li is the only remotely good post 2007 email service
>it's blocked
yes because having non cucked internet is morally wrong these days. all the reason to make more good email hosters
>the only way to be sure about security is having full control over it
"self host" (TM) </brainletspeak> doesn't give you full control since there are still a bunch of retard servers either sending you plain text or using keys obtained via X.509 tier snakeoil. but if you wanted secure communications we wouldn't be talking about email in the first place. there's also the problem that all accounts on your "self hosted" brainlet shit are tied to your own identity.
>>95 (OP) 
Yeah you're retarded all right.
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cockmail isn't a secure service, it's literally just 4chan in email form. you can call someone a dumb asslicking faggot and he'll take it as a greeting, because it's not serious. the name should tip you off.

yeah he sent out the EVE online email. allying with goons in order to cheese online games is basically a 4chan tradition, and money laundering is based. Your money is your own, you don't owe it to anybody. None of that makes you a satanist or whatever the Q boomers who took over 8chan would whine about.

he probably got DDoS'd because a commie retard at defcon wanted vince to agree with him about something dumb. defcon is a great giant party but there are tons of DC-related lefties there. the whole thing is run by a DC Jew. some are reasonable, some aren't. maybe the butthurt retard got kicked out of the cock party, fuck if I know.

I don't believe vc worked with the cops. Why would they need him? They had a warrant to pull a server that had zero encryption. He's not your lawyer, he's not your co-conspirator, he's not going down in a hail of gunfire to protect your meme emails. If you're up to shit that will get you in trouble, don't leave evidence lying around on other people's computers.
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>luke smith
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this x999999
Was actually going to sugget this, have my own domain and may selectively allow others to have one.
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Can someone just give me a thorough explanation on why I shouldn't trust him?
I can't tell if he is dumb or disingenuous. Many articles are simply wrong and others are clearly hiding facts to make a point.
Take a look at "What Linux struggles with". He complains about dependencies, but recommends distros based on Slackware. ||lmao||. Or "Refuting Freetardism", where he completely misses the point.

But the conclusion from "Avoiding "The Botnet" - impossible?" seems to sums up his political views, (which usually shape his choice in software):
"If we controlled the infrastructure, we could not only delete all logging ISP-wide, but also fix all the problems with FB / YT / other malicious service providers. [...] A full-scale revolution is our only option - and we should use the time during which we can fairly freely talk on the internet to plan for it. Then we could fix not only "The Botnet", but most of the other problems of society."

You can find some useful information in his articles, just don't blindly believe in everything.
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I dont blindly believe in everything
Im just clinically disabled and cant come to my own conclusions 
nothing wrong with that
Yeah just going back to some of his articles, I can tell that he's cherrypicking info. His writing style also reminds me of niggerpill. I don't know if it is to make the problems he's talking about more serious or what.

>"Refuting Freetardism", where he completely misses the point.
I don't get why he thinks that disassembling and hacking Pokemon ROMs is proof that you don't need source code. Does he really think that if someone can reverse engineer a video game ROM, they can fork something much more complex like Firefox using nothing but a disassembly? Not to mention that these ROM hacks are from games that have been thoroughly analyzed for years. We don't even have ROM hacking tools or proper documentation for the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games yet.

>But the conclusion from "Avoiding "The Botnet" - impossible?" seems to sums up his political views, (which usually shape his choice in software)
From his recommendation of RiseUp and his article on Libertarianism, you can clearly tell that he's an ancom. He's clearly saying that an ancom revolution is the only way to "stop the botnet" by seizing the means of communication. However, in his email article, he does acknowledge that not everyone is going to trust these commie services like RiseUp.
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His articles seem to suffer from the same sensationalism that most contemporary journo publications do. Only instead of spreading the asshole for whoever's paying, it's tech-related doomerism. Case in point;
>Does he really think that if someone can reverse engineer a video game ROM, they can fork something much more complex like Firefox using nothing but a disassembly?
Given the part about piracy over freetardism, I'd say the overall point the article is trying to make is that a gongkai[1] culture (basically having a limited circle of people sharing company and trade secrets) is better than separating from the establishment and creating free software in a sort of bubble. But that in itself depends on where you live, as it clearly won't work outside of China and other grey law shitholes.

[1]: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297
I'm using Posteo now. I don't think it's waste for paying 1 eur per month. How about you guys?
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Trying it it out now, little dated apperance wise but as long as its functional i dont care.Have to migrate all my shit from Protonmail
>>95 (OP) 
A mail provider service's TOS follows their hosting provider's TOS which you might have not read at all.
It's a chain of terms of service, even if your mail provider claims to never do logs over their "users", they would still do logs when they take legal notice from their hosting provider which takes legal notice from some country of origin (local or domestic).
>we never do logs unless it is abuse or fraud
This is very vague, especially the term abuse.
This applies to no-logs services like mail, DNS, etc.
Abuse  abnormal use  above normal || not normal
Fraud is also a vague term. Claiming x=y where x is a company can be considered a fraud.
The term stretches out to having one fake/false information, and even as simple as using tor will be considered fraud, keep in mind detection systems can mark you for abuse by being in IPs that had been marked for abuse.

Vagueness is how they get around their supposed "promises".
If you're someone who is above normal users or someone who uses their service a lot, generates a lot of traffic or requests than average, a power user then they can and will treat you as either a bot/spam or mark it for abuse and treat your supposedly TBD (to be deleted) logs as abuse in which case they can store it forever and can now share your data to all third parties.
Mind you they only protect their "users" and not "abnormal users"
Abuse  abnormal use  above normal || not normal
Normal = subjective

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