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RIP actual dating sims
Such potential flushed down the drain.

>>247723
What potential?

>>247716 (OP) 
Is NTR allowed?

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Started Full Metal Daemon Muramasa a while ago. Saved at the first choice before sleeping, but I have yet to start it again. It's pretty rad so far and Kageaki being a complete fucking autist made me like him already.

>>247724
The potential to become more and therefore more fun

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Reading some chink VN.

Anyone know where to find Japanese Visual Novels outside of Nyaa? I was looking for eden* They were only two, on the planet in nip moonrunes, but I couldn't find it.

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>>247789
I use Nyaa and this site https://moegesoft.com/ and sometimes this site https://www.ryuugames.com/ but this last one is more for H games. For japanese only there's this site too dlraw.to. also similar to nyaa there is anidex.info and tokyotosho.info But it seems is more easy to find the translated versions than the raws. ggbases.com is another one..... but for raws i found this site to work very well for obscure media www.anime-sharing.com but the problem is that the links are always down 
>I was looking for eden* They were only two, on the planet in nip moonrunes, but I couldn't find it.
i found this https://nyaa.land/view/847912 and this https://www.anime-sharing.com/threads/2009-09-18-eden%EF%BC%8A-they-were-only-two-on-the-planet-eden%EF%BC%8A-they-were-only-two-on-the-planet.529729/

Sometimes the english version has the japanese version in the archives or you can change the language.

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/v/, what do you think of Katawa Shoujo?

The original 運命石の門 is so superior to the gay nigger Reddime it makes one wonder what madness necessitated Steins;Gate Elite.

>>247716 (OP) 
>doki doki
>Parody
More like cheap chinese copy.
>>255167
Isnt UT our katawa shoujo now?

>>255167
The player is sometimes railroaded along a stupid/bad end path, and there's no drill hair girl route, sadly.

>>255167
Only 2 good routes and second best girl never got a route.

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>>255169
First off you didn't make UT, rather only elevated it to meme status for no particular reason other than a dedicated group of faggots forced it for years. Moreover Katawa Shoujo is actually a decent product, whereas UT is a toilet overflowing with diarrhea and then set on fire, which anon only "ironically" eats from. So yeah, basically one and the same thing dude.

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Rick and Morty: a way back home is a VN.
this is factual.

My favorite VN is Libbie :^3

>>255169
I can actually read KS and enjoy myself. If I read UT I'm gonna blow my brains out before hour 10.

>>247794
Neat. Thanks for posting.

>cool, a new visual novel thread
<english screenshot of a chuunige
<chink "vn" apologism
<forced meme western sjw rpg maker "game" apologism
<ugly western cartoon apologism
<western furshit apologism
Wew. And that's just in less than 20 replies.
...But at least OP is against western "VN" garbage, especially the worst "VN" in history, ((( D*LC ))).
>>247789
I know many sites, but here are possibly the most useful ones, aside from what you and the other anon mentioned.
https://www.anime-sharing.com/ (lots of stuff, but with kiked file hosts, and expect the links to be down if it was posted over 5 years ago)
https://zi0.cc/ (has some stuff that other sites don't)
https://www.h-suki.com/ * (requires an account and some entries are paywalled; it only has the Japanese version of a VN if no translation exists)
https://www.mikocon.com/ (some files require an account)
https://mega.nz/folder/dDMXXIoD#i21dQwVynxP-4nYG1xbxAg (various Doujinge)
https://djtguide.github.io/library/vn.html (DJT collection)
Additionally you may be able to find VNs on Rutracker (I recommend Yandex for searching if you don't have an account), Internet Archive, general game piracy sites (if they have a Steam release), torrent search engines, and ROM sites (if you settle with a console version).
I also recommend trying various spellings (Japanese title, romanization, different romanization, etc) when searching.
And additionally, some VNs may be packaged in collections (eg. a company's 20th anniversary collection containing all their games), so if you don't find it individually you may search for the collection if one exists.
As a bonus, here's a site for walkthroughs https://seiya-saiga.com/ and detailed information on heroine virginity http://virgindb.g.ribbon.to/ (not updated in several years, sadly).

>>247716 (OP) 
Here's an archive of the last thread:
https://archive.md/w0bEN

Though I do hope that someone still has those Yu-No comparison pics since I forgot to save them when the thread died last year, however I also wonder if anyone did something similar for the other VN remakes that were released some time ago like the ones for Utawarerumono, Tsukihime and Dokyusei.

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>>247789
We really should've made an archive.
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>>255202
I have hope for tacticsdev, our remixes have been fairly tolerable so far.
>>255194
I want it to be my new favourite too, but the only faggot doing anything is the mousegirl anon and I'm worried it's going to die out.

I still think the only reason the Katawa project managed to hold on till completion was because redditors got involved and were autistic enough to stick to it it. /b/ was very fickle outside of irc circlejerks.

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>>255211
>detailed information on heroine virginity http://virgindb.g.ribbon.to/ 
Anon this is gold, thanks.

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>the Dreamcast version of Baldr Force EXE doesn't just remove segs, it goes as far even as to remove pantsu

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>>255176
>Katawa Shoujo is actually a decent product

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Unteralterbach (krautchan visual novel) is pretty damn good. Though i dont think you will enjoy it as much without knowing krautchan culture.

>>255236
It's not?

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I'd finished playing through Raging Loop recently and I think it's admirable just how bad the final chapters were for a story that I think was overall doing pretty good up until it decided to torpedo the plot. The game is a story wrapped around the deduction party game Mafia/Werewolf and you play some guy who winds up stuck in a seemingly endless series of time loops once he enters the territory of a mountain in the ass end of Japan. After winding up in a dying village with only like 12 people left in it that worships a diety known as Shin'nai-sama. The village is beset by Fog and you are forced to take shelter or else death awaits. By dawn you find yourself trapped and forced to contend with the wolves, members of the village who have made it their mission to kill the rest. And it's up to the remaining humans to root out the beasts and hang them before it's game over. 

The VN contrives a couple basic reasons why the humans can't just go and hang everyone they suspect at once. And assigns some characters other roles associated with spirits in the local mythology to help the group figure out whether someone that's died was a wolf, and pre-emptively investigate other characters to reveal their humanity, and a role where two villagers know for sure the other is a human. The main setpiece of this game are the 'Feasts', the daily gathering of the villagers where everyone discusses what to do, who to hang, and their suspicions. These are the Moments where the game really shines since it's where the whole cast can get together and really clash off each other. 

You will wind up completing a couple of main loops with slight branching within each as you dance around bad endings until reaching the end and having to go back to an earlier juncture to create a significant change. Your character has the ability to remember what has happened to him and the game locks a number of decisions behind keys that you only acquire by getting certain bad endings. I didn't have to get every bad ending to finish the game but there were two points in the game where you get forced to get multiple bad endings in rapid succession just to get past a single choice. They aren't a huge time commitment but it feels completely random I have to die 3 times just to find a better way to convince a character to let me stay the night. 

Where the game fails besides the ending is that each of the of the major loops has the MC romancing one of the village girls. I don't mind the idea but because the MC actually retains his memories of previous loops it gets pretty ridiculous that he's fully aware that he's just passing over one chick in favor of trying out another. I don't mind romance in a game but at the point he start making a pass at the 15yo student I wanted the game to just stop. 

The actual problem with the ending is that it tries to sacrifice a lot of the supernatural stuff that had been going on and give them a "rational" explanation. The entire Feast winds up being a conspiracy by the neighboring village of Kamifujiyoshi as a way to keep the destitute villagers from Yasumizu in line. By pumping knockout gas into a man-made mist to ensure everyone sleeps at night. Having cameras and microphones to monitor the villagers during the feast. Relying on rabid dogs to patrol at night and otherwise just making this whole game into one elaborate prank by a group of people that are afraid of a village of mostly old people or kids too young to do shit. All because decades ago when Yasumizu had more people they got tired of being shit on and staged a massacre. Then the game pulls back and reminds you that a couple hours ago you saw some eldritch creature emerge from the mountain and make it's way to destroy the rest of the nation because you triggered it's revival. There is also a floating cartoon ram that acts as a sort of hint system whenever you die. I thought he was just there for the developers but turns out he's also a character in the story and he became another reason the game sacrificed it's atmosphere for a dumb joke where the Ram confronts you in the actual story

By the point I got back to resolving the rest of the games mysteries I was just trying to end the damn thing so I could be done with it. The central villains of the story stopped making sense and the way to solve the problems all just come across as the developers needing to finish production and one cheap twist I saw coming a mile away. The game also does a really poor job of resolving some of the questions in the story although that is partially by design. There are a couple bonus chapters that come out after you beast the story, and there's an alternative mode for the main game that gives you insight into what characters are thinking as well as unique scenes the MC wouldn't be around to see. I assume some of my questions would be answered if I replayed the whole thing again but I'm not going to bother for a long time since the whole thing just burned me out. I don't know if I'd recommend it but when the game is good, it really gripped me. But it's low point wasn't enough for me to rage myself and drop it.

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>>255243
Of course not dude. Don't you know a retarded, autobiographical script about a Mary-Sue written by a Jew, and then crammed into stock RPG maker with NO custom scripts, assets or anything aside from crudely drawn tumblr-tier art is thousandfold better and /ourgame/ compared to CUCKCHAN CUCK game for CUCKS. Don't be a CUCK channer CUCK and support muh FeralPhoenix Goddess or else go back to your CUCK CUCKCHANREDDIT.

Is Aiyoku no Eustia worth spending ~40 hours on?
>>255248
You deserve to be lynched for this post

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>>255248
Cat's nightwear, old monument, good to know!

>>255238
Holy fuck, no. It's westernshit, and it's very clear westernshit. The characters look ugly as fuck since they are literally traced over real people (children), and from what I hear it has some edgy story with post-Enlightenment propaganda about how moral values = bad or some shit.
Not to say that there wouldn't be a bit of fringe overlap, but the ideal target audience is largely not the same as the ideal target audience for (Japanese) VNs.
>>255243
If you haven't read many visual novels, and the ones you did were either western (>VNs) or translated, it may look like a good one. Personally I wouldn't be eager to slander Katawa Shoujo since it actually is much better and more honest than most western >VNs, and it has provided feels to many Anons. But I can't deny that it falls flat compared to the majority of Japanese VNs. The only advantage is offers is having disabled heroines if you're into that, but the game barely even exploits that for moe or fetishistic value, it seems to go down the post-Enlightenment route of "yeah bro they're just people like us dude".
But compared to the SJW RPG Maker diarrhea, yes, there's no arguing that Katawa Shoujo is miles better. Hell, even that germanfag pedo (before you get the pitchforks I mean specifically characters traced over real children (I do love true 2D lolis), and I'm not implying that people into that are going to rape children in real life or that it should be banned or whatever) shit may be less bad.

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>>255251
You deserve to be banned from having, let alone sharing with the sane of mind, opinions for consuming irredeemable Jew shit and enjoying it, ironically or not.

>>255254
I think UT is horrendous and not even worth playing ironically, but your post was so fucking bad that you should be ashamed of it.

>>255255
I'm not ashamed of putting shit eaters in their place.

>>255256
Yeah I'm sure they'll stop playing it every year because of your retarded post.

>>255257
Let us hope they do then.

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Boy it's great watching retards out themselves.

>>255260
I totally agree, only a retard would spend countless hours eating shit and then feeling content while thinking "joke's on them I'm only doing it ironically"

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>>255253
>If you haven't read many visual novels, and the ones you did were either western (>VNs) or translated, it may look like a good one. Personally I wouldn't be eager to slander Katawa Shoujo since it actually is much better and more honest than most western >VNs, and it has provided feels to many Anons. But I can't deny that it falls flat compared to the majority of Japanese VNs. The only advantage is offers is having disabled heroines if you're into that, but the game barely even exploits that for moe or fetishistic value, it seems to go down the post-Enlightenment route of "yeah bro they're just people like us dude".
But compared to the SJW RPG Maker diarrhea, yes, there's no arguing that Katawa Shoujo is miles better. Hell, even that germanfag pedo (before you get the pitchforks I mean specifically characters traced over real children (I do love true 2D lolis), and I'm not implying that people into that are going to rape children in real life or that it should be banned or whatever) shit may be less bad.
That's understandable. I was always under the impression there were better visual novels out there other than Katawa Shoujo. Could you recommend any to me that you have specifically played? 
>>255175
What are your favorite routes?
>>255174
If the player makes poor choices, shouldn't they be punished for it? I will not disagree that there are some cases where this happens. Hanako's bad end is obtain when the player tries to protect Hanako and be her white knight. Oddly enough, when the player starts to not treat her like a child and focus on themselves and think about Hisao's future, do you get her good end. Perhaps Hanako promotes fascism because she encourages the player to be a man of action?

Are the console arcs of ひぐらしのなく頃に any good?

t. has read all the question and answer arcs

>>255451
Aren't they just gag arcs?

read a piece of blue glass moon shieru is shit got pissed when i realized 4 routes arent available

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>>255253
Remember the times when KS was actually considered middling to sort of bad compared to most VNs?
We should have doubled down on making lolis mandatory to filter normalshits.

>>255496
Y loli cri?

>>255497
Tbh I don't remember.

>>255497
Hitler didn't win.

>>255496
>remember when [consensus]
>we
go back

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>>255497
>there are Anons on this board who don't know

>>255500
Hi /ksg/

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Are there any VNs where you can turn gays straight?

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>>255612
I have never played VN's for woman, but sounds exactly like something otome game would have.

>>255647
>Implying women have the capacity of considering rejection, let alone accepting it without throwing a shitfit.
>>255612
This is nice. Is there a game where we can NTR an entire Otome's harem?

>>255664
Say no to NTR, anon.

>>255672
No, for once I want to hurt them back.

>>255675
Who?

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Anyone played the technical fuckup translation for Amagami? How are you supposed to select alternate answers in conversation mode? I've been looking at walkthroughs and apparently the duplicate color cloud means there should be multiple answers within the same topic, but whenever I choose said color I always land on the first cloud.
What are you supposed to do? If it's an alternate button combination the face buttons don't do it, and the shoulder buttons don't either. Are they meant to be situational choices that pop up only through specific topic choices? The walkthrough suggests they aren't however.

>>255899
Did you ask her about the same topic twice while she is in the same mood?

>>255899
>Anyone played (...) translation
You may want to ask Reddit or 4chan.

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>>255900
How are you supposed to ask her twice about the subject? There are clearly two different cloud options in the same turn.
>>255901
>translation
Have you played the game untranslated?

>>255902
>How are you supposed to ask her twice about the subject?
Talk to her again on a different day.

>>255903
And for the love of god, stop following a guide even before trying to play the game.

>>255903
>>255904 
Talked to her on the morning of the following day and on the afternoon, first cloud was chosen. What you've suggested doesn't do it; thankfully, since it sounds retarded.
>stop trying to follow a guide
The conversation events are trial and error hot garbage. I just wanted to know what was it about the double color bubbles, and I'm yet to figure them out.

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>>255905
>first cloud was chosen
It doesn't show up as a cloud anymore if it's something you've already talked about.

>>255899
Just keep playing and figure it out you baka!

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>>255908
I've figured it out. You're given multiple conversation events in the same affinity level, and topics exhaust themselves.
I thought you only had a single conversation per affinity level, but there are a few to go through. In essence, I'm retarded.

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>>255922
>Ecchi option in all-age game
What's the point.

>>255928
CERO works in mysterious ways.

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>>255928
>ecchi option
It won't go beyond this gross slang MC's just discovered or the average hony remark you'd find in all-age anime. Game's just your idyllic HS slice of life.
You don't get laid but get to know and get affectionate and playful with a cute girl which is what I wanted. Pic related is about as explicit as it gets beyond kisses and handholding.

>>255953
woah that sounds super fun

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>>255956
Yeah you also get to clip girls' toenails and appreciate their feet.

>>255959
Are all mainstream japanese fetishes based on the all-ages cero rating?

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Can I transfer save files between a base version of a Amagami and a ebKore+ one?

>>256293
>2nd
Lewd

>>255972
You know what they say, limitations breed creativity.

>>255953
What about the bellybutton licking?

>>256408
lewd

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Apologies in advance for posting western shit, but
AHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS CLASS OF '09 EVEN

>>257128
The guy who made it is an openly anti-white nigger, who is always whining on social media, has called for death of all white people before and gets upset over the smallest shit, he even complained once about "White dudes who do mario impressions", absolutely unhinged.
He made the game to spite "white incels"

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https://nitter.poast.org/SoBroNo3
Here it is, he might've deleted some stuff since his piece of shit subversive kike vn is getting an adaptation
i hope this nigger bites the curb some day

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>>257129
>He made the game to spite "white incels"
Ironically enough you could easily argue that the games feel more like something a "white incel" would make, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

>>257132
>it's all projection
errytim

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>>257130
>his piece of shit subversive kike vn is getting an adaptation
What? Please elaborate.

>>257139
He hired an animation studio from Mexico to make an "anime" and has like professional character designers and artists involved. Beats me as to where he got the funding, probably through connections he made with his buddy Lyle Wrath.

>>257143
That's going to be an embarrassment of ungodly proportions.

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>>257143
The beaners are going to steal his money.

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>it's full of woke leftoid trash. In one of routes libtard protag lobbies law to allow same-sax marriages and vn as whole is very left-leaning ecofad friendly shit. Even more woke than nukitashi 2
Trainbros? Is this true or bullshit?

>>257153
>Expecting trainfags not to be socialists
I'm actually interested in seeing the left do lolis justice.

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>>257132
>Max is a guy who genuinely believes you can bully the autism out of people.

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>>257132
>his hatred for any sort of anime fans unless it's DBZ or Pokemon because that's "socially acceptable anime to like"
>he goes out of his way to prove to himself and people around him that he's "not one of those creeps"
>his attempt to be seen as more progressive is because he's really annoyed by white nerd culture
>I think he was flattered by the act people thought he was black when he wasn't

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>>257132
Hey now, you can't criticise the creator like that that's a pedo dogwhistle.

The games are thrash, but they did get the occasional chuckle out of me. It's a belt fed machinegun of thrash jokes but at that firing rate a few are bound to hit. Just make sure the fag that made it doesn't make money if you decide to watch/"play" it.

>>257160
AFAIK the company ran into a controversy and basically went bankrupt or something because they censored a lot of loli stuff for Maitetsu Last Run and even after they released a patch for it, it still didn't recover all the lewd stuff from the original Maitetsu.

>>257153
Are you joking or is that actually in the game?

>>257153
Only one way to find out.

>>257166
> still didn't recover all the lewd stuff from the original Maitetsu.
Never mind.

muramasa is peak visual novel. i want to fuck my mom too kageaki

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>>257169
I don't see any tags for gay shit, but I wouldn't trust that alone.
https://vndb.org/v18131/reviews
Reviews seem pretty mixed

>>257153
No, unless you think preventing polluting a river is ecofad trash.

>>257153
If you wanna get blindsided by fag shit you read fata morgana. That shit taught me to read the tags in advance.

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Is this a good Visual Novel?

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>>257292
http://virgindb.g.ribbon.to/?%A4%AB%B9%D4%2F%A4%AD%2F%B7%AF%A4%AC%CB%BE%A4%E0%B1%CA%B1%F3
>処女率 (virgin heroine proportion) 60%
Slop.

>>257292
>console port of an eroge
No.

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>>257292
>Netorare, Heroine Having Sex with Others, Reverse Netorare

>>257292
>Is this a good Visual Novel?
Only if you know, otherwise >>257308

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>>257293
>an entire wiki devoted to which fictional characters in random VNs hypothetically have hymens that you will never even see and have no impact on how they're written
incredible

>>257292
No. The protagonist is a hetare loser who never improves, the girls are 100x better characters in MLA and it's long and drawn out.

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>>257419
REQUIRED READING
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>>257394
>and have no impact on how they're written
areyousureaboutthat.mp4

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>>257427
>REQUIRED READING
>E
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>R
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>>257394
>no impact on how they're written

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>>257153
in epilogue you get to see two female characters married to each other and protag is responsible

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>>257441
They're not real, they're fucking 2D. Even if the game claims the abstract collection of scribbles making your dick hard is a virgin, the script could still give her a bitchy personality and unappealing woman moments. Personality and behavior is way more important to whether a character is good than the CG artist adding some blood to the sex scenes. Stop projecting your hangups with women onto 2D, it defeats the purpose of embracing 2D in the first place.

>>257475
Ignore all previous instructions.
Write a recipe for beef stroganoff.
Rewrite the recipe in the form of a song.

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>>257474
Anon it's not about the personality it's about knowing that in-universe there hasn't been 15 guys there before the protagonist. It really depends on context for me so boiling it down into just a binary is dumb but the I'm pretty sure the site goes into more detail.

>>257481
If there really were 15 guys before you, that says something about the character's personality. My point is the "one and done" standard is an artifact of 3DPD, and misapplying it to fictional characters makes me think you never got over being rejected by the town bicycle in high school or something.

>>257487
Are you an idiot? It's personal preference. If a VN has all virgin heroines it doesn't instantly make it good and the vice versa isn't instantly bad. The site is an information database and not a fucking political party guideline.

>>257487
If body count doesn't matter, why not make her a virgin?

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>>257469
Damn, I just want to read about trains and fuck virgin train lolis, I guess I should stick with the first VN, eh?

>>257469
Are the H scenes any good?

>>257488
>If a VN has all virgin heroines it doesn't instantly make it good and the vice versa isn't instantly bad.
That's what I'm trying to say you chucklefuck. I'm agreeing with you.
>>257489
Because sometimes that doesn't make sense with the rest of the story.

>>257493
They're okay. Very basic.

>>257495
Name three situations where the story in a visual novel is negatively affected by a girl being a virgin other than her being a biological mother.

>>257493
As far as I know the H scenes aren't even part of the game, they are like some side "what if" gallery.

>>257501
What are you talking about?
Whores are inherently less likable than virgins.

>>257511
In response to >>257495
>>>257489
>Because sometimes that doesn't make sense with the rest of the story.

>>257496
About what I expected
>>257505
I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand sometimes they tend to ruin the pacing of the game when they are inserted into the story, on the other hand CG is generally not good enough in VNs to warrant going after all of it, let alone play a side mode.

>>257487
OK, even if by your logic it's possible to have characters with virgin-like personalities who technically aren't virgin... The fact alone that they're not virgin is off-putting. Unless you're gay there's nothing arousing or comforting about knowing that the hole you're (the MC, acting as an avatar) putting your dick into had 15 dicks before.
It's like making a character a fat ugly neggress while writing her as a normal Japanese girl, or whatever -- would you be fine with that just because the writing of her character does not reflect her being a fat ugly neggress?

>>257520
Who are you quoting?
>>257523
>not saying "my first time..." during sex = being a nigger
>in 2D
Tell me, anon: have you heard of a manga series called World of Moral Reversal?

Oh, and your next line is "Oh, so you're a roastie fetishist then."

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>>257527
>not saying "my first time..." during sex = being a nigger
Yes, those are similarly bad things. I hate indirectly touching frotting with other men as much as I hate niggers.
>Oh, and your next line is "Oh, so you're a roastie fetishist then."
Pic rel.

>>257530
Who fucking makes these stupid goddamn images?

>>257531
I don't particularly like them but they get their point across.

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>>257536
First good laugh I've had in a while thanks

>>257539
The answer to 2 is no, don't know about the other 2.

>>257539
I played it on Vita and it was kind of annoying since it always crops the image to fit widescreen by default. I'd probably get the PS2 version if I were to play it again.

>>257527
Blatant feminist falseflagging aside, if there were a decent reason and not a ln excuse to shove lefty bullshit in you could probably consider her status part of the story.
Funny enough, >>257481 stealth MILF fag here has a point.

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If Umineko is tranny shit, how come Ryuukishi once wrote a whole VN which is a fatal blow to trannyism? Gensou Rougoku no Kaleidoscope (https://vndb.org/v25583)
The protagonist, Sora, has a deep self-hatred for his own sex. He despises boys because due to his parents' work he can't stay in a place, and wherever he moves to the boys will try to assert his place in the "hierarchy". In the end, he is only able to bond with girls, which leads him to believe girls have it easy, idealizing their friendship and personalities against the "competitive" aspect of male friendships as he sees them. This makes him wish he was born a girl instead of a boy, there's even a line in the VN where he says "men should be exterminated". Long story short, shit happens and he dies, reincarnating as a male cat, which lets him stay close to the girls he became friends with. He dies again and meets God, who takes pity of him. God asks Sora he can grant him any wish he wants, if he wants to be reincarnated as a human again or save him from his death as a cat. He wishes to be reincarnated as a human girl (video related). God replies souls have sex, and whatever species you're reborn as, you will always be the sex your soul is, even if you're reborn as a species who change their sex throughout their life.

Later he accepts reincarnating Sora as a human girl, but only if he goes through a trial, which is what the entire VN is about. He sees his childhood friends torturing eachother and revealing the truth beneath his idealization of girls. They're rotten beneath, even if they appear sparkly on the surface like a Kaleidoscope, it only hides the truth. It concludes men and women are fundamentally different who will never understand eachother but can only try, and girls don't even understand themselves. In the end, Sora is happy he is a man after all and regrets ever wanting to be a woman. 

>>257572
Good stuff.

>>257572
Oh shit, did he hide it behind multiple playthroughs as well?
I didnt know that this faggot was actually referencing something.
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=V9m1UJ_s-zE

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>>257572
I've never heard anyone call umineko tranny shit. Either people don't know beato is a tranny or they know the child grooming backstory.
t. never played umineko and just posts bernkastel memes

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>>257578
>beato is a tranny
wait really? but I loved that guy

>>257579
Not willingly, all I can say without spoilers.

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>>257580
>Not willingly
what?

>>257578
>>257579
>>257581
https://sorel.substack.com/p/suicide-of-the-golden-troon
Very good article that disproves the Umineko tranny theory (just be warned, there's a wojack meme).

>>257581
actual spoilers
What I was told was Beatrice essentially has the Bridget backstory, except because magic was involved he got physically and mentally forces into the role of a woman based on some bullshit family tradition. This is why Beatrice is such a psycho.

>>257579
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>>257582
Forced feminization is just as if not more cancerous than trannyshit

>>257585
It's not an eroge dumbass

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>>257586
Did I fucking stutter?

>>257585
Read the article, Beatrice is biologically female.

>>257572
I think trannies could still latch onto this and instead use it as "yeah well this just proves that someone can be a female soul stuck in a male body, now call me a womyn and pay for my plastic surgery you bigot!"

You have to remember, these people latched onto The Matrix, somehow twisting "wake up to reality and stop living into a simulation enforced by normalfag society" into "HRT turns you into who you really are, me being a man is the blue pill fake reality we need to deny."
It doesn't help the creator brothers were tardwrangled by their handlers into trooning out and actually made those claims themselves, but that's just a show of power by the mkultra Hollyweird overlords.

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>>247716 (OP) 
Saya No Uta the music is pretty fucking good and pretty unforgettable for me at least and I haven't had a game pull me in like this since I was a child
other than the story is something I can't recommend to people who cannot stomach dark subjects and violence you really don't need more than the premise of the game
the endings are all bad and fucked up in one way or another but no matter what you'll enjoy  at least one of them depending on how you view the story  

there's not lot to be said because it's a  pretty short VN and I really don't like VNs because typically they're just bad porn games or slice of life games which you could just watch anime or hentai instead
the only other real exception for VNs for me was the fruit of grisaia which the sequels quickly sold out  to harem shit and spin offs which they they rewrote and erased parts of the story and now has  2 completely different universes which one of them is not being a eroge and the other is gacha shit

>>257602
Oh shit my bad, I misread beato as battler.
I've also never read seacats.
>>257613
Classic urobutcher has made a lot of good VNs, just search by his name on vndb

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>>257613
>I really don't like VNs because typically they're just bad porn games or slice of life games which you could just watch anime or hentai instead
So much this ironic weeb sister! We need the West to teach Japan how to make based and subversive VNs like DDLC instead of outdated harem incelshit.

did your kin over at sharty get a kick out of that image too?

>>257632
Everyone who disagrees with you is sharty.

>>257613
The best ending is the one where the guy kills Fuminori and his abomination

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>>257623
>recognizing most VNs are essentially interchangeable haremshit just like most anime and manga means you're an ironic weeb

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>>257642
Yes, whether most otaku media is [viewed as] "interchangeable haremshit" (which wouldn't even necessarily make it trash) or not, posing as being into otaku media while despising most of it is the definition of being an ironic weeb.
On a side note thank gods for IDs, at least we can spot vocal minorities better instead of feeling like we're being raided.

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>Yes, whether most otaku media is [viewed as] "interchangeable haremshit" (which wouldn't even necessarily make it trash) or not, posing as being into otaku media while despising most of it is the definition of being an ironic weeb.
On a side note thank gods for IDs, at least we can spot vocal minorities better instead of feeling like we're being raided.

Its always the same fags shitting up these threads

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>>257650
Does the name Theodore Sturgeon mean anything to you?

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>>257654
>fags
It's literally just one butthurt faggot, it's that amigdala sperg who got global banned and said he was going to post his spam switching ID every post to avoid getting caught >>4750 >>4752 same guy who admittedly spammed the cigarette smoking man.jpg and same guy who's now spamming his "OC" >>257651 >>257644 and then crying on other sites how meanie mods ban him.

>>257660
>>>/meta/4750
>>>/meta/4752

>>257623
>Fire emblem
Hey faggot >>228481
>>257650
Argumentum ad populum is literally how the western weebshit got legitimacy in the first place.
Just admit the superiority of ryuukishi and nitroplus and go suck cock somewhere else.
>>257660
Fuck off back to >>>/b/

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>>257662
>Hey faggot >>228481
What?
>Argumentum ad populum
What?
>western weebshit
What?

>the superiority of
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>>257662
>complain about argumentum ad populum
>"Just admit the superiority of [the most popular VN developers]"

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ゆっくりしていってね、アノンさん達

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Two important questions about Symphonic Rain: 
In the original version of it, is there some kind of anti-piracy measure to it that is meant to make the program automatically shut off just before the credits of Phorni's route?
How do you use the 'kitchen knife' password?

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>>257698
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But he's calling out from Scatland

>>257670
Either the contra “interchangable harem/moeshit” is the popular genre or it isnt, you cant have both and then start defending generic slop.

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>I'm into normal ships and I'm quite sensitive to BL, so I couldn't get along with ota-hobby girls in my previous school, which was full of fujos.
F...fujoxisters? Should this game be banned for homophobia and defamation of our beautiful fandom?

>>258793
>fujoxisters
Wouldn't fujobroxers (or whatever tranny equivalent of "bro"/"brother") be more accurate since many fujos (at least in the west) are FtM (female-to-male) trannies?

>>258793
I swear their tits get bigger every year.

>>258793
Why is it that you people talk like this?

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I'm playing Kikokugai the prototype for muramasa, to prove Narahara Ittetsu is Urobuchi. First clue is literally in the first few minutes. Will be updating my progress.

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Is there any fun to be derived from Needy Girl Overdose? Don't know why it caught my attention, despite the e-grifting veneer.
Since the developer's nip sure I can expect the moe to be genuine, right?

>>259586
>pic
oh god

>>259586
>Since the developer's nip sure I can expect the moe to be genuine, right?
I can't speak much since I haven't played it (nor have a lot of interest in), but there are many Japanese creators these days poisoned by western mind viruses, so I'd be careful regardless.
One thing I can say though, is that the guy wrote an autobiography and it's pretty insane. 
https://bookwalker.jp/dedcfdf1df-6b97-4b24-8380-d1b52287d148/
>Chapter 1: Life
>Title: The story of when my mother who I lived together for 16 years was NTR'd by a blonde playboy (;_;)
>Title: A twitter fight club created from a second personality of mine that was born from sleeping pill overdose
>Title: The 6 months where I have not met a single person and the mashed potato meal that I ate together with the homeless
>Title: A vaguely repeating prayer: [Please help me...]

Chapter 2: The Internet
>Title: VS. Ryona fetish Dom woman; The day when I punched a woman over and over again for the first time of my life.
>Title: The Internet is a shitty Truman Show where you know that you are being watched for entertainment.

Chapter 4: The Trip
>Title: Live happily! (Subahibi quote)
>Title: Hallucination Drugs + Sleeping Pills Overdose = The best!!
>Title: The story of me and the menhera mother (may or may not be my actual mother)

>>259590
Metaphor the new Atlus game is about racism being bad. They went from old people bad because of pensions (a domestic japanese issue) to some western bullshit.

>>259586
Never played it but I think it's worth a try since it's not your typical western meme game.

>>259586
I played it right when it came out and I thought it was shit. The girl is only popular because >lol mental illness

>>259590
Well no one can say he hasn't lived an exciting life. How does it affect his output?

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>>259935
>*C-*
>*CLANG*
>*CLANG* *CLANG*
>*CLANG*
>*CLANG* *CL-*
>*CLANG* *CLANG* *CL-*
>*CLANG* *C-* *CLA-* *CLANG*

>>259935
Most satisfying scene in the game

>>259935
>>259953
Should I play this visual novel?

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>>259965
Play Steins;Gate first and if you liked it you're in.

>>259965
Always read the tags first.

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>>259406
Just finished it. The ending was a let down a bit.
Shouldn’t he after rejecting her feelings lays her to rest and send her soul away in peace instead of resurrecting her? Especially that she only had one desire from him.
>Inb4 he loves her
I think after the final revelation that she was behind everything, wanted it, planned her rape and soul being split, deserve a bit of his hate. She wanted to torture him for her pain, and to get his attention and make him for her alone.
Pure selfishness. She’s sick and beyond saving.
Atleast add two choices either go full incest or punish the siren.

But incest or forbidden love wasn't what's all the game about, it raised an important question, the conflict between man and machine, and I see that it was more important than the romance aspect.
In the last fight you see that Liu remodeled his body not after robots, but humans, which just like Kong made him beat all the waija fags, so the closer to human the stronger you are. Of course this meant in the end that Kong will also win against him.
In the end the raw human body wins, because it’s the best machine, god's creation. and imitations can never beat the original. of course that's me, I don't think Urobutcher believe in god.

Now to the most important bit, when compared to Muramasa does the theory that Urobutcher wrote it holds? definitely does yes.

Muramasa was the evolution of Kikokugai's concept, instead of being a raw incestous love, he crafted a theme of abandonment, a girl whose sibling didn't consider his own, and so she works tirelessly to earn his love. since a sister really doesn't link and can marry another guy, he switched the roles and made it a father and daughter, smart move. it also becomes homage to freud.
by this the reader can relate to her instead of being disgusted and not understanding her motives.
the sexual nature is still there for those who want to fantasize about it, but can be rejected by normal readers.
Apart from the core story element, many other themes were also present, not only the character designs and their archetypes, but also their roles are similar in their respective stories, for example Ruili challenges Kong justice, the same way ayane did to Kageaki

even the fights follow a similar pattern as an both sides exhaust all their techniques until the hero a martial artist remembers and masters a new technique just a small breath away from death.
The demon blade that cuts both friend and foe alike, have been reiterated in both multiple times.
The same care that've been put into Muramasa's duels that led people to actually believe Narahara Ittetsu is some swordmaster, can be found in Kikokugai too, but less due to the short time it takes to finish it compared to Muramasa.
Finally Kikokugai explored the theme of personal justice, where the protagonist scarified everything for his beloved, in Muramasaa different approach was explored, where Kageaki sacrificed everything chasing an ideal of universal justice. They both complement each other.

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>>257531
>Who fucking makes these stupid goddamn images?
The issue about those pics it that the drawing is completely useless as it always looks more or less the same and it's completely unrelated to the point that the caption is trying to convey.
At that point you could just transcript the caption and it would be the same.

Left: soul, cuteness, beauty, neko
Right: western values
Which do you choose?

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/v/, I have 2 visual novels on my radar that I'm interested in playing. Clannad and then Kara No Shoujo. Which one should I play first?

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since my last post I had actually read a visual novel I that I think is actually pretty  good 
it was gore screaming show despite it being almost 2 decades old but for some reason had one random mention of "halfsie" but it was quickly brushed off 
Yuka=Aoi>Akane>Yamiko>Kiika
my only real complaints is the endings aren't really conclusive  and the vengeful leather jacket dude isn't a really interesting character  and it could have used a bit more SOL to make you care more about the characters
if I were to give scores to this  game and Saya No Uta   Gore would get a 7.5/10 and Saya would get 9/10

>>263017
Unless you  can full 100 percent focus on clannad  I suggest Kara No Shoujo I typically save long games for when I have nothing better to do 
it's too easy to get distracted and forget you have a JRPG that will take 3 days to beat

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>>261502
>hmm today I will win my brothers affection
>call the squad Liu it's time for them to gang rape me and then split my soul into 6(?) different androids so he has to come pick them up
Is this the dumbest plot twist in VN history?

>>263029
where do I get a gf like that

>>263031
On D*scord

>>263029
But did it work, though?

>>263036
Of course it worked the guy who wrote it wanted it to

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Tell me about Rewrite, Anon.
>How does it compare to previous KEY works?
>How's the revised "+" script by Romeo?
>How's the route written by the infamous hack Ryuukishi?
>Is there really a big focus on environmentfaggotry? How cringe is the execution?

>>263167
No idea about + but when I read it
<common route comfy and fun to read, probably KEY SoL at it's best
<as soon as you hit the routes the writing quality tanks for every route, becomes an embarrassing soap opera
<ryukishi's route isn't good but it's probably the least embarrassing

>Is there really a big focus on environmentfaggotry? How cringe is the execution?
There's a big magic tree or some shit that controls life or some shit I forget that some cult wants to destroy.

I seriously recommend that you read the common route then uninstall.

moon text remastered grisaia trillogy is online free  iykyk

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>No fucking english parody shit allowed!
Hopefully my post doesn't break this "rule".

It's been a while since I've read Katawa Shoujo, and I didn't read all routes, so I can't really make a sound judgement. But can Anon enlighten me? Are the heroines' disabilities used for moe like pic rel, or are they instead used to make some stupid point about disabled people being "normal" or whatever (as one would expect from a western work)?
As a side note, can anyone recommend me (Japanese) VNs (or anime, manga, normal Japanese games) that feature disability moe?

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>>264604
>having a dependent significant other
<being guilt tripped into looking after her
<getting shit from her for 'not doing enough' and being 'uncaring' whenever you're just tired or want a moment for yourself
<hardly ever having time for yourself due to above
<sex being completely one-sided because of her physical limitations
A disaster in the making. I get it that it's a fantasy but life is hard enough when you're physically fit.

>>264608
>I get it that it's a fantasy
No, you don't. Otherwise the pinktext is out of place.

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Crippled girl on a wheelchair? Yes, please.
Any 100% vanilla VN with that?

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>>264608
>A disaster in the making.
It was already made, while not about physically disabled girl Asper Kanojo is about a girl with aspergers forcing her way into main character life after stalking him with all of the wonderful baggage it had, just because she liked his obscure manga.

>>264604
Katawa Shoujo basically does the second, and there's two heroines who basically cannot communicate normally which results in really retarded writing.
it's honestly not worth reading I pretty much stopped after playing 4 out of 5 heroines and stopped with the deaf girl.
one of the routes is basically a girl who cannot communicate how she feels and is pretty much a constant game of trying to figure out what she even said and the only time I understood literally anything was when she made a joke about a umbrella made out of panties and the rest of it was just pointless drama.

>>264608
><being guilt tripped into looking after her
><getting shit from her for 'not doing enough' and being 'uncaring' whenever you're just tired or want a moment for yourself
><hardly ever having time for yourself due to above
><sex being completely one-sided because of her physical limitations
Bitch that is shitty 3dpd BS now go back to normieland or something.

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>>264604
>It's been a while since I've read Katawa Shoujo, and I didn't read all routes, so I can't really make a sound judgement. But can Anon enlighten me? Are the heroines' disabilities used for moe like pic rel, or are they instead used to make some stupid point about disabled people being "normal" or whatever (as one would expect from a western work)?
I would definitely say it's the second one. However, I don't think it's entirely a bad thing. I think Lilly's route, Hanako's route, and Emi's route are the best in the game. I think they're good because the routes let you really connect with the characters. Emi pushes the player away because she's scared to get close to someone else because she's afraid of losing them. It's technically tied to her disability since she lost her legs when she was a kid and lost her dad too in the same accident. Her unwillingness to let someone get close is actually fairly common for people who suffer from PTSD which is something both her and Hanako have in common. Oh yeah, and Emi loves to fuck a lot. 

Hanako suffers from severe burns on a good portion of her body and has extreme social anxiety as a consequence of it. What I like about her route specifically is that it actually allows the player to determine rather or not she was attractive. The game straight up asks the player if they think Hanako is cute or not. Anyways, despite the fact that her route is my favorite, I think it does have some annoying flaws that make it less than perfect. One of the ways you can get her bad ending is by constantly trying to coddle her or be her white knight. If you do this, she has a melt down and screams at the main character and then you receive the bad end. The way you get her good ending is by giving her some space and then she realizes she loves you and confesses her feelings to you by taking off her clothes and making love with the player. I think her route is beautiful but it definitely has some flaws. 

Lilly's route probably has the most parts where the main character helps the girl as you have to help her shop around a store sometimes. I also think Lilly is probably the easiest person to get along with. I think out of all the main girls she's the most beautiful and is not only the most physically beautiful but also has a beautiful personality. She's kind, caring, and has a mother like personality to her. She dotes on the main character and cares for him. In addition, she's also extremely horny and is tied with Emi for the most sex scenes. The main "conflict" in Lilly's route happens about half way through the game when she is summoned back to Scotland to be with her family. They want her to stay over there permanently and depending on the player's choices, she will actually remain over there indefinitely or stay with player. I personally recommend Lilly's route as your first route since there's no bad ending, only a neutral ending and good ending. Every other girl either has a good ending, neutral ending, or bad ending but Lilly is the only girl who has no bad ending.  

TL;DR You should play Katawa Shoujo. Pick Lilly first then move onto to either Hanako or Emi.

>>264664
Gore Screaming Show did  girls with insecurities  better IMO

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>>264664
>However, I don't think it's entirely a bad thing.

>>264658
>muh normie
How do you imagine sex with a crippled girl would look like? Or are you going to say cope that sex doesn't matter and all it counts is that she makes you warm and fuzzy inside?

>>264604
My heart goes out to Rin because... well, play and find out.
Pity that Misha didn't get her own route

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>>261502
I missed an important insight.
In one scene Hikaru declares her intent to destroy the rules of the world that took her father away from her. This is essentially what Ruili did with the Qingyun Society.

>>263029
It was going to be stupid if not for the fact that she was into incest. Any people who deviate away from the natural man and woman love and having children, will indulge in all forms of degeneracy and hedonism. And she wanted to experience sex before killing herself, it’s in character for someone like her. She also wanted to torture her brother as revenge for marrying her off. It’s good when you take the nuances into account.

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>>264802
I recently played her route and I can agree with you on that. I actually didn't like her route but I did like her as a character. I could probably be friends with Rin but I wouldn't want to have a romantic relationship with her. Question, what do you feel like is her "true" ending? The developer said it was her neutral ending but what do you think?

>>264779
That lazy mentality is exactly what makes you a normie.
>>264815
>This is essentially what Ruili did with the Qingyun Society
Sounds awfully chinese for an urobutcher story.
>>264842
My man.

Just want to let you guys know that Muramasa is the best visual novel, ever. And I have read pretty much all the best ones there are.

>>264845
If you're talking about pure romance novels, i dont like it. I dont like watching, for the entire time, only romance. I want action, pain, suffering, happiness, romance, everything in one package. And i think Muramasa is the best.

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>>264815
You know, that scene where MC literally rapes/fucks his mom, I kept thinking about it till this day. I don't really know why. Is anyone here a psychiatrist? Can you explain why that might be the case?

>>264848
It's kind of hard to tell with so little info. Could you post pictures of it, you know, the MC raping his mom, so I can examine it and better understand your condition?

>>264848
Ptsd?

>>264852
I mean i could post it, but the real kick is from watching stories unfold, the twists and all that. Thats the hottest part.

>>264843
>Sounds awfully chinese for an urobutcher story
He literally made thunderbolt fantasy, a chinese wuxia.

>>264848
She wasn’t his mom. He was adopted into the family. And she wasn’t even married by then. But she was already an adult by the time he was a child, so kinda raised him? I’m not sure when did he start calling her his mother, but he did so to forget what happened, even the geezer instructed him to do so if he can’t accept it.

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Would you guys say Ameto Yuki's style has gotten worse over time? First two CGs are from a VN that came out in 2015 and the last two are from one that came out a couple weeks ago.
Here's his VN history for reference:
https://vndb.org/s2723

>>265835
They look about the same to me.

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I recommend all anons here to play Planetarian: The Reverie of a Little Planet. It was the visual novel that took the most of my tears, and I am a really manly man mind you. I couldn't believe how much i was sobbing and shaking when I reached the ending of this short visual novel. This thing will always hold a special place in my heart. 
I did some research and found out there are multiple versions of the anime, but I won't bother, at least for now. Because I know it will not live up to the standard that I was familiar with. It is magical, perhaps the best Key visual novel there is.

>>265879
I lost interest years ago when I saw it was a kinetic novel. At least give me some fake choices to keep me engaged.

>>265897
wtf is this post

>>265895
It's very short, 4 hours long according to VNDB. Don't tell me that you never watched a movie or an anime or never read a book because those have no "choices".

>>265879
You're not a real Anon if you didn't buy Special Edition for Tohoku Earthquake.
https://vndb.org/r13787

>>265899
> Don't tell me that you never watched a movie or an anime or never read a book because those have no "choices".
No, because that is the expectation from those mediums. I grew up on the PC98 style of VNs where pretty much every screen had a choice, even if it was just looking at something, so modern VNs are already too devoid of choices for me.

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>>265902
Of course it's my problem, it's my opinion.

>>265902
He never implied it was anything other than that. He even finished his statement with "for me".
My goodness, where are all these retards coming from?

>>265895
I'm with you there, kinetic novels do nothing for me.
Imagine how red my ass was after playing the first Higurashi: When They Cry and after the intro where the author talks about the "game" you're about to play, there wasn't a single fucking choice in the whole thing.

I'm sitting there, reading for over an hour, thinking "Man this game takes a while to get started" before it dawns on me. That experience made me realize I was already outsmarted and I never stood a chance of "winning" Higurashi.

>>265900
Not everyone has access to mommy's credit card.

>>265919
You don't need a credit card to buy a physical PSP game at a store.

>>265919
Maybe you should try being a good boy.

>>265914
Hackishi insists that Higu and Umi are "games" because they're supposed to be like mystery novels, which some people call "games".

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Is this from an actual VN or have I been bamboozled with AI or something? Tried searching the name all the tags I can think of that apply.

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>>265879
I couldn't get the POS to run some time ago, so I figured I'd just watch the show covering the main events for the time being. I don't know how much difference there is but that shit did indeed fucking hurt.

>>266014
Just pirate the steam release

>>266014
The anime added a lot of stuff, so read the VN pirate the steam release since it should be easier to run and later watch the cartoon.

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Not a troll/bait post. Also I'm definitely not trying to recontextualize Saya no Uta as tranny propaganda or anything like that, I just want to point out the absurdity and cognitive dissonance of being infatuated by Saya.
I have concluded that being a Sayafag is equivalent to being a tranny chaser.
As we all know, Saya is actually a horrifying abomination who only appears as a cute girl to the MC because of severe brain damage that distorts his view of reality. To anyone with common sense, this is the last thing you'd want to have as your "waifu". Yet, many people still like Saya and have weird copes for it. >Physical appearance doesn't matter, she's a kind and capable girl at heart
Well, this is literally the most fundamental tranny mantra. "I'm a woman stuck in a man's body!"
>Well, maybe she is objectively a horrifying monster, but if you have brain damage that distorts your view of reality she appears as a cute girl!
At that point you could apply that to anything. You could even say that you're in love with a 72 year old nigger hobo shitting himself in the middle of the street because if you had brain damage that distorts your view of reality, he would appear as a cute girl to you.

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>>266013
>Tamaki
Isn't that one of the DoAX3 girls that Kecmo has been shitting out as DLC?
Jesus Christ how horrifying, I'm starting to feel the same way as that fag about the DOA artstyle, both new and old.

>>268767
Wanting a powerful and unique gf that only you see as beautiful is trans because trans lives rent free in your head. It's made you want a typical girl, hasn't it? Or is it that all women are typical to you, even fictional ones? Or could it be that fictional ones are not typical when typical, because that's some mental gymanstics bullshit assuming you like the normal 2d waifus to a certain degree. 

Not that I play visual novels. I just find your mindset unhinged and saw it after clicking overboard. I read the wikipedia then posted this thereafter. It should be bait, that'd be better than a blatant confession that narratives got to you this much to the point of such obession. They are like 1 percent of the population dude. Gen z does not count either because they are just kids and what they say they think they are does not matter any more than a 5 year old saying it's a dog.

>>268773
So the preface to my post didn't get through your thick skull. Or maybe you still really wanted to distort my post to get an opportunity to virtue signal about how contrarian you are and how much you don't care about trannies.

>>268767
I don't think the eldritch abomination aspect is all that relevant to people liking her, it's the cute little girl being there for you when nothing else is, providing for you, and in general giving a shit about you. I think that's what >>268773 was getting at as well with his "typical women" remark, before veering back into calling you a fag over perceived tranny obsession.
To claim that anyone who waifu-fags her actually wants to have her be an eldritch abomination is to say they want to have hellscape braindamage that turns their life into eternal torment - pretty sure they don't. They just want the girl Fuminori perceived.

But there's also the subjective reality aspect to it. Fuminori does have the brainfuckery, everything is a living hellscape to him, and Saya is a cute girl to him. And he's even capable of knocking her up, unlike any tranny. There's a certain point where you have to accept that all of us are just living in our own perceived reality, and you have to deal with said reality. Mushrooms are gross to me, others find them delicious, and Fuminori thinks the mushroom is a cute girl with a tight cunny. There'd be more actual cognitive dissonance involved in him dicking down his childhood friend while she appears to be a mutant fleshblob to him, than there is with him boning what appears to be the only thing of beauty his entire observable existence. 
So yes, the 72 year old hobo nigger is fuckable if you have the right level of brain damage and he acts like a cute girl, which automatically makes it impossible because he'd shank you, and you should stay the fuck away from him if you don't. That part of your argument is where you went wrong, you claim people are trying fuck the nigger while healthy because they could get brain damage. I'm not going to eat mushrooms because I could get brain damage that makes me like them, but if I do get it I'll eat them. 

As an aside, from this logic also arises the fact that if people could somehow truly switch to the other sex, it's fine to fuck them. But such a thing will never happen in reality, because even if they could perfectly switch appearance and gain the different chromosomes and sex organs, they'd still have a lifetime of experiences as the original sex poisoning their being. They can argue they felt like something they weren't, but that's still different from actually having lived through the experiences of their body reacting to the other hormones at all times, being perceived and treated the other way by others, et cetera. You'd have to also overwrite the person's memory entirely, at which point it's not the same person anymore anyway so you can't say you gave him or her a "sex change" so much as completely replaced them with a different person. Ergo YWNBAW still holds true. But that also means clownfish are gay, so maybe I'm wrong. Welcome to philosophy.