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I've been thinking about this topic for a long time, ever since I found /k/ a decade or so back on 4ch. The talk of "going innawoods" was fun, invigorating even, but it never really clicked, so to speak, until I took the red pill and awakened to our bleak reality and found the light of National Socialism. It all came to a head when I read the works of GLR; WLP, JM, and others. It is clear that the decadence of modern society and the dependence is creates in the average person are one of the greatest obstacles to the liberation of our race. Similarly, the surveilance and economic apparatus of the System poses a terrible risk to the security of revolutionary operations, given how many criminals and spies are brought down not by James Bond gadgets but by simple mistakes and clerical anomalies that create a paper trail. There's also an ideological angle behind the creation of this thread besides all the practical considerations, as we claim to reject the System, its values and tenets, it would be remiss of us to remain dependent upon it. Likewise, it'd be harder for anyone in our ranks to fall back into the System's clutches when there's an option for living outside of it, another way to lead one's life. I'm going to make it clear that I'm not advocating just retreating from society and for all of us to become hermits, as that would be ineffectual in the long run. There's only so many hiding places and there's only so long one can hide from the world before it knocks at one's door. The System must be overthrown, but in the meantime we must prepare ourselves to shield our ranks against it, and to offer as few opportunities for it to sink its barbs into us as possible. This is about opsec, healthier living, and building the foundations of a new world.

To do that, we must make a list of the critical necessities we require for this purpose.
>Living space
A large part of the average people's unwillingness to act against their circumstances, much less strike at the System, is that they're too exhausted with working themselves to death on the jewish hamster wheel that is our economy, grinding day in and day out to scrape a meager living in overpriced living spaces and pay monstrous taxes that leave little time or resources for anything else besides trying to numb themselves with hedonistic pleasures. To say nothing of the catastrophic effect on the human psyche that result from living in a noisy, filthy, decaying, polluted, nigger-infested, crime-ridden urban hellhole. Therefore, it is a priority to find and build living spaces in which our people can live, grow, prosper and thrive. Small properties in the countryside are an obvious first choice. Abandoned structures in remote locations and self-built bunkers in the wilderness are also valid choices. A problem I can foresee is that isolated bunkers work well for small cells of revolutionaries but not for actual communities, let alone large ones. Compounding matters is that a known and publicly visible isolated community opens itself up to attack by the System on any flimsy pretext (as we all saw in Waco). I don't have a ready solution for this problem, but discussion is welcome.

>Food
Indispensable for human subsistence for any length of time. As we can all see food prices continue a perennial climb and people struggle more and more to afford groceries and thus work themselves to death on the hamster wheel, it is imperative for us to procure and cultivate our own food. Farms where we can grow our own vegetables and raise our own cattle are the obvious choice, though with the caveat that they require open spaces visible from th outside, and likewise open thsemvles to the System's predations. We should discuss alternatives to these activities, as a precaution in case they fail us.

>Water
Another indispensable necessity for human living, not just for human consumption but for hygiene and other purposes. We've long known that the System holds a near-monopoly on water sources, and on top of fleecing the citizenry for the right to it, said water is laden with fluoride and industrial waste when it isn't downright toxic to the human organism (as we can see from the ongoing decades-long debacle at Flint and others). Therefore, scouting and procuring sources of water outside the System's surveilance and control is imperative, as is researching and developing techniques for its purification and safe storage.

>Power
Technically not critical but still highly important, as we'll need electricity for multiple purposes in our efforts against the system. Heating, manufacturing, communications, and yes, computer systems. We won't get anywhere if the System can shut our power off because we're connected to its grid, failing and crumbling though it is. Therefore, we must constantly research and develop forms of power generation off the grid.

>Communication
Without communicating with one another we're helpless prey, headless chickens running in circles getting picked off by wolves and coyotes. It's vital to have a means of communication, from one operative to another and one cell to another. Phones and computers for the most part are verboten. The latter may be used for data storage, info gathering and so on, but for the most part we can't depend on these as phones are inherently vulnerable and every ISP and internet browser keeps records of your activities, to say nothing of online platforms. Discord is the obvious one, but supposedly secure ones like Telegram and Session are to be avoided. Radio is the most commonly recommended choice, so it's a good idea to get familiarized. Other potential channels of communication are open for discussion.

>Transportation
While it is true that any of our operatives can go anywhere on his own two feet (cripples aren't to be considered for active service after all) sometimes transport is needed. There's cargo too heavy or voluminous for conveyance on foot, and so a vehicle is needed. The problem is that every vehicle that isn't a bycicle is registered and logged in some database, so any operative using his own vehicle is running a massive risk if someone can get a good look at his plates. Another issue is maintainance and fuel consumption, both quite expensive and difficult to procure (the former especially). Any resistance cell will have to contend with this issue and find a way to acquire a vehicle that cannot be tied to them, as well as handling maintainance and fuel procurement that won't create a paper trail for the System's goons to follow to their doorstep.

>Money
The sad reality is that as much as we reject the System, we still need to interact with it in the process of dismantling it, as money has its uses in revolutionary activities. However, we can always minimize exposure and thus dependence and temptation, to say nothing of operational risks. Obviously cash is our best friend, as it's almost impossible to track down most of the time. Anything to do with cards or e-wallets and the like is to be disregarded. Crypto is a jewish scam. Pawn shops and junkyards are two of the most expedient avenues to make cash.  Anything that isn't useful or that occupies space best saved for something else can be sold off, within reason. Anything acquired in field operations can be sold for cash as long as it can't be easily tracked (meaning no consumer electronics for the most part), but that's a discussion for another thread. There are many ways to gain cash, suggestions are welcome.

Feel free to add more to the list. I'm sure I might be forgetting something.
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I'm only browsing, but I have a resource that would be of use and interest to you

this online library has various books in pdf format, free to download without an account or anything jewish like that, on

homesteading https://library.frenschan.org/category/stored/890

survivalism
https://library.frenschan.org/category/stored/807

etc. there are also various high-quality and esteemed guides to cell resistance, DIY weaponry etc. if you have free time that you'd be better off putting to use, it's something to check out.
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>>8243
I'm a medic, and I could deepen my studies with this site, too. Along with one called annas archive.
I felt similar to you, and what I realised is that I should find focus on my speciality, rather than burden myself with superflous knowledge on the jewish "current events" serf hamster wheel.
If you have sympathetic friends, or a cell, then you can specialise on the basis of synergy and covering all bases. A speciality, or more than one speciality, could be something like chemistry, raising livestock well, for example.
If you feel depressed, and like you're wasting your time, waiting for things to happen, well, the best time to start is now — not to "prep", but rather, the correct mindset is that the future of our race is upon your shoulders, and it could be many more years than we'd appreciate in this perfect miscegenation misery machine. Any real skills you learn now, at the sacrifice of internet hours, of course, will give you an upper hand not only over our enemies, who won't be able to consult and diversity train themselves out of the purifying flames, but over preppers, who will be wasting time fulfilling their desparate masturbatory fantasy, ironically enough, to keep themselves so-called alive in any manner, a symptom of Systemite morals itself.
We can be the future if we're willing to become it. After all, there is no light without darkness, or men without women.
>>8242 (OP) 
By no means interpret these critiques and cautions as me trying to diminish your greater idea. But if you're serious about this, you will need to solve these potentially crippling problems.
Before I became a White nationalist, I studied an anarcho-primitivist community who were working towards re-establishing themselves as a functional hunter-gatherer tribe... in preparation for a catabolic collapse of civilization that was heavily influenced by Joseph Tainter's work. Since then, I have devoted a great deal of energy towards understanding modern era insurgencies.

You already appreciate that the System may/will try to crack down on any sizeable White community out in the woods. They will have an wide array of justifications to disrupt it. 
1. They will almost certainly be squatting on federal park lands and if not, they'll be on private property.
2. Children are required to attend school in every state. While there are exceptions for homeschooling, the amount of paperwork you must file is enormous and you would need to submit your curriculum to the state for approval. Failure to comply leads to loss of custody in the end. 
3. Children get you into more trouble because there are a lot of child welfare laws which absolutely could be tripped by living in an off grid community. You might be able to bypass these if you can get the state to recognize your religion. 
I do not even need to bring up the mess you would be in if even one woman decided she had had enough and wanted out. You would absolutely lose your children.
4. Hunting and fishing regulations and environmental protection laws. Hunting without a license? Fine. Failure to pay? Jail.
Harvesting trees on federal land? Jail.
Where does your trash go? You won't be able to recycle everything. And if you did, child protective services would call it child abuse. Jail.
We could go on and on, there is no way to do this without breaking a lot of laws.

>Food
In order to sustain even a small community, you will need a wide range of livestock and arable land. Your herd of sheep, cattle, and goats will require a lot of forest clearing. They will also need to be large enough to avoid inbreeding and to account for unforeseen events... such as predators, which you absolutely will face if you try this out west. Again, absolutely zero chance of going unnoticed. Your crops will also be a huge barrier of entry because, if you plan on doing this in a forest, you will be spending years just preparing the forest land for agriculture. There is a reason why this is a forest, it is poorly suited to farming. And even if it wasn't, you'd still be trying to till over potentially hundreds of years of forest root growth. 
The more intensely you wish to farm, the more tied into the grid you will become. Use tractors? You will need to import gasoline. Mechanical milking? There are infinite mechanical failures that will need to be replaced by factories you cannot build yourself. What about pesticide? Your crops are probably not suited to the real world and will die without them.

I could go on. The last thing I will say seems like I am trying to dissuade you from your idea, which I am not. But I would like you to think long and hard about it.
There are hints and clues in your OP on how you envision the nature of revolutionary operations going down.
Simply put, White insurgents based in more or less hidden valleys, protected from view by the splendid canopy of green. I'd wager that the ideal struggle you envision involves ambushing enemy convoys traveling along secluded forest roads. The ambushes pulled off by men attuned to camouflage who strike, loot, and leave, to return back to their loving wives and children in their safe villages.
Essentially, Vietnam. 

Except that not only was Vietnam not exactly fought this way, but it is also incredibly unrealistic to expect this kind of war or even to seek to engage in such a strategy. 
Satellite and drone/infrared technology make all wilderness camps state information. While small groups of men might subsist in the woods unnoticed, villages with women and children would immediately be discovered, and exterminated.
There would be absolutely no resistance either because the enemy would attack these compounds by first airstriking it at 3 AM and then immediately hitting it with 250 heavily armed soldiers with mechanized backup minutes away.
Seizing and holding land is the absolute last thing you want to do against this degree of firepower.

Furthermore, even if you could somehow keep these places hidden, the kind of war this entails is not the kind of war that America could even fight. America is a financial economy. The strength of the beast is in New York, San Jose, Washington DC, Atlanta, Seattle, and Houston. The PIRA literally controlled a county-sized patch of land in Northern Ireland for years and this accomplished... well, not nothing. It was cool as fuck and provided the rebels with a safe heaven to train and rest. But it did not defeat London. Hitting those banks brought the London regime to the negotiation table.

In conclusion, is your proposal bad? No. We lack explicitly White communities anywhere, barring a few tiny places in South Africa. If we could get a cute White Endor in the woods, I am all for it. That would be rad as hell. But to do so in America requires not fighting the current, but fighting an avalanche of legal quagmire.
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>>8243
>>8243
Thank you kindly. I've been up to my eyebrows in books lately, as the finaly realization of what our struggle entails, the enormity of this task, has imprinted upon me a need to learn all I can, as well as a continuous sense of restlessness and itch for action. Regarding what you said about synergy and the cultivation of skills, I'm beginning to think we should set up classes or training regimes to instill upon every recruit a well-rounded spread of skills and knowledges. Paraphrasing Heinlein:

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Of course we can't make nuclear physicists or brain surgeons out of every fresh recruit or even hardened veterans, but everyone having a little bit of useful knowledge in many areas beat a cell falling into disarray because they lost their only trained surgeon.

>>8245
>By no means interpret these critiques and cautions as me trying to diminish your greater idea.
Perish the thought, that was in fact the very purpose of this thread. I'll be the first to admit my knowledge and experience are woefully limited so comparing notes and getting feedback from others as well as receiving recommendations for useful literature as the poster above did is all welcome.

>the first couple paragraphs
Indeed, I did admit upfront that I have no easy answers for how we should go about building a community off the grid. My ideas, such as they are, work better for a given cell, not even for a regional HQ let alone a civilian community. I guess if we got really good at building our secret underground bunkers we could move our families there but living underground is gonna be terrible on health and morale, and having our children grow up living like Morlocks is the last thing I want. Maybe this is a more long-range kind of consideration, for when the System is too busy fighting insurgencies in the cities and attempting to keep a semblance of order in the streets to check on the countryside. But like you said, satellite surveilance is the big sword of Damocles hanging over our heads. I suppose any revolutionary wanting to take direct action might have to prioritize attacking the surveilance infrastructure of the System first.

>There are hints and clues in your OP on how you envision the nature of revolutionary operations going down.
Heh heh, I was a pretty big fan of Robin Hood in my boyhood, does it show? More seriously though, given that we're fighting a grossly asymmetrical war and therefore we'll have to operate like a resistance guerilla, creating a network of safehouses, bunkers and caches is a necessary step in our struggle. 

>attack the banks
Good advice. A prospective cell intending to take direct action should make a list of key targets as part of its preparations, but that's beyond the scope of this thread. Your whole post is quite insightful and helpful, by the way.

Perhaps I should've separated the two more clearly in the OP. One part for procuring safehouses for active cells and another section dealing with civilian settlements. Hindsight is 20/20.
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>>8246
I'm with you on Robinhood. I made a thread on 16chan about reclaiming Robinhood from the enemy a while ago. I live in the woods and I prefer to fight in the shade. 

If the regime somehow suffered some serious infrastructure setbacks (I'm speaking mostly of disrupting the cyber network, but also of physical assets), or if they were fighting a multi-front war against White, nigger, & spic nationalists + probably China and Iran or even Russia, making a bunch of South Armaghs would be both viable and useful. Swiss cheese America.

The terrorist dreams of being an insurgent, who dreams of becoming a guerrilla, and he dreams of becoming a soldier in a conventional army.
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>>8247
>if they were fighting a multi-front war against White, nigger, & spic nationalists + probably China and Iran or even Russia
I wouldn't hold my breath. All those you mentioned are influenced by the kikes as well. Maybe not Iran, but the rest are definitely kiked.
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>>8251
Having jew influence does not mean that Russia et al would not strike at the US government if there were incentive. Incentive is the key. In the vast majority of possible scenarios there is no incentive for major world powers to militarily intervene in a US government collapse.

There may be, however, a short period of time wherein there is incentive to economically intervene. Bear in mind that these other world governments have no morals whatsoever. They would not shy away from selling weapons and tech to rebels (making money and aiding the fall of their international rival) only to bomb those same rebels once they secure territory. Example: Syria.
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>>8252
All the more important that we cooperate, coordinate and perform a global uprising. If it's only one country that fights to overthrow the jews, even if successful, it will suffer what Germany did back in WW2.
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>>8253
I have no hope for that but yes, it would probably be needed.
This should be helpful too: https://web.archive.org/web/20170224025047/http://ropeculture.org/category/workshop/
>8254
>I have no hope
Well there's your problem. If you have that useless defeatist attitude no shit you won't achieve fuck-all.
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>>8251
Don't mythologize the jews. Just because jews wield the most influence over a given country doesn't make geopolitics goes away. Before the jews, even related aristocratic families fought each other. But the jews are divided into multiple different factions. The jews of Russia are of a different branch than the western liberal zionist jews.
An China is not even directly controlled by them. The Chinese are foreigners in the jewish world order. Hell, Iran is more under the control of Israel than China is because Iran is weak as shit and lets itself be pushed around by Israel out of fear that the jews will kick in their door and carve up their rotting corpse of a country like a pig.

Suffice it to say that ZOG getting into a low intensity war with any of the above countries is not impossible.
And if it escalated, then maybe the Forest Brothers in the OP would be free to build their isolated redoubts in... well, not in peace, but free from immediate airstrikes.
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>>8256
One man's attitude will affect nothing. The future will go the way it will go regardless. Being optimistic in such unprecedentedly bleak times is imbecilic and taxing.
>>8259
>if it escalated ... would be free to build their isolated redoubts ...  free from immediate airstrikes.
There are a lot of factors which would need to be clarified before that statement becomes true.
>>8253
The worst the kikes will do is sanction the country to economic ruin. Jews would be fine if one White country breaks off so long as the bulk of Earth becomes their slave plantation. All we need is a pro-White uprising in a country that has nukes. If the kikes invade, it is mutually assured destruction for the world.
>>8267
Having hope in bleak times is bad because hope is a source of inaction. It is like praying to Jesus. Men of action do not have hope. Sometimes, they just act out of pure hatred for their enemy. This is one of the many ways Christianity fucked our race when you think about it. 

Our ancestors would have fought this without regard for winning or losing. All they would care about is taking as many of the people down responsible for the state our race is in as they can. Hope breeds complacency. Hope is for cowards. Revolutionaries do not hope and cope, they act!
Tarrant did not hope, he acted. Breivik did not hope, he--again--acted. It's like our whole race are the Jews in Exodus waiting for fucking Moses to save them. It fucking sucks dick. Abrahamic religions really fucked our race's genes beyond repair.
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>>8267
Oh so instead of optimistic I should be depressed all the time and on the verge of killing myself to take down a white cop? How insightful! Fuck you faggot, take your own advice
>>8267
>There are a lot of factors which would need to be clarified before that statement becomes true.
I don't dispute that. Everything is situational.
That said, I do dispute your other statement. Being optimistic is not taxing. Hundreds of studies and anecdotes demonstrate that being optimistic can lead to enormous feats of endurance. I myself once got into a life threatening situation that really should have left me swept out to sea and dead. But I put aside all thoughts and just kept swimming. If I had believed it was hopeless, I would have just given up and died. I didn't even do the "Jesus will sabe me" thing, it just didn't occur to me. I saw the shore a mile or so in the distance and swam towards it, thinking that the more I swam, the closer I would get. And eventually, I did.

If you're pessimistic, you will make yourself fail. I do not get why this pessimism mentality has been allowed to dominate right wing discourse.
>>8271
Applies and oranges and also, not true.
Tarrant and Breivik both holed that their actions would lead to positive results.
At this point I'm of the opinion that blackpilling, doomsaying and all similar spiels should be treated as malicious demoralization by bad-faith infiltrators. Nobody would be in this board if they didn't believe a better future is possible. Nobody would be a fascist if they didn't believe it is worth the pain, danger and effort to make a better world for one's people. Never fall into the insidious trap that we are powerless and hopelessly outmatched, that we should grovel at the feet of our oppressors for a few crumbs off their table while they eat the whole cake. Never believe the poisonous honeyed words of those who say a better tomorrow is impossible so we should content ourselves with a few "realistic" or "reasonable" objectives like a bunch of soft-bellied impotent conservatives, or that we should just take care of our own business like the egotistical boomers whose selfishness led us to this mess in the first place. 

YES we can win.

YES we must.

YES a better world is possible. Remember the words of Hitler.

"The greatest treasure is your own people. And for this people we shall fight! And never surrender! And never slacken! And never give ourselves to despair!"
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>>8275
Based and correct mentality-pilled.

If one genuinely believes that it is hopeless, be optimistic anyway.
If we want to get analytical about it, there can only be a 0-100% chance of success.
Anything above 0 is still a chance, no matter how small.
Since you CANNOT know for certain that our chance of success is zero, the odds are always that there is a positive chance of success.
Obviously, I'm not advocating being stupid & overconfident, but being pessimistic is just plain stupid.

Even if our chance of survival as a race was only 0.00001%, that's still infinitely better than our odds if we give up.
>>8275
>"The greatest treasure is your own GOOD people. And for this people we shall fight! And never surrender! And never slacken! And never give ourselves to despair!"
Sorry but too much trash needs to be purged. The best shall prevail and the others shall submit.
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>>8281
There are too many "others" and too few of the "best". I don't think we can last this century to be honest. Too much trash to be subsumed under. Thus I am blackpilled.
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>>8284
What do you define as our "best?"
Underground bunkers are fun and all, but how do you handle ventilation? Plants are a no-go and using fans and vents is power-intensive and requires extensive (and conspicuous) infrastructure.
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>Food
Feed niggies to piggies.
>Water
Collect and purify rainwater.
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>>8312
>Feed niggies to piggies.
>Collect and purify rainwater.
How are you going to do those two things underground?
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>>8316
Feeding niggies to piggies can be done anywhere. As for rainwater, you have to have a series of collectors that you periodically visit. This is a brainstorming thread, not all one idea.
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>>8321
I dunno man, piggies need a lot of space, and underground dwellings tend to be on the cramped side for the sake of efficiency.
>>8259
>Before the jews, even related aristocratic families fought each other. 
But they were not engaged in blatant debilitating genocide of the people they ruled over. During the worst times of history, some families, perhaps a few of them, looked at their kinfolk and only saw slaves, without considering once that there could be truly talented and creative people who would deserve more than a miserable life of tiling and sweating.
>But the jews are divided into multiple different factions. The jews of Russia are of a different branch than the western liberal zionist jews.
Their differences are superficial. They all fight for Jewish interests in the end. There are very strong ties between the Jewish diaspora in Russia and the Zionist state of Israel. The Russian Jews have the exact same kind of control over the population over there and they have a nice shabbo quadroon goy who criminalized any Holocaust denial and throws White Nationalists in jail. The only reason we don't hear about it is because of the language barrier, which can be observed on the chans themselves since we don't have ruskies posting on /pol/ or other boards just as much as most of us if not all of us don't venture on /ru/ and /polru/.
>An China is not even directly controlled by them. The Chinese are foreigners in the jewish world order.
Their direct influence over China was far more obvious during the communist era but then the Jewish elites seem to be less directly involved and have seldom wormed their way into the power, notably through racial mixing like they usually do. That said with a bit of digging you will see that there are some powerful companies in China that are in the hands of Jews and it's a country that maintains good diplomatic and commercial relations with Israel. The Chinese also have a modern mentality that is so compatible with Talmudism that they're honorary Jews by extension. If the Jews really became serious about getting into China I don't think China would be able to resist at all, within a generation it would be over.
>>8267
Airstrikes are costly. Much more than simply arming tons of niggers and sending them deep into forested areas with a big of organizing help from ZOG (convoy, satellites).
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>>8334
>they were not engaged in blatant debilitating genocide of the people they ruled over
That is not my point. I am arguing that, like our own ancestors, the jews were not and are not a uniform body. There are factions within factions and not every jewish family gets along. 
>They all fight for Jewish interests in the end
This is like concluding that all White aristocrats were fighting for White interests (they really weren't) and thus, seeking to D&C White elites is pointless.
Good Lord, would it not have been much better if the jews had thought this way and just never tried?
Mind you, I am not saying that I plan to D&C Russian jews vs American jews. I lack this level of influence. But to pretend that all jews are clones with a collective brain is deifying the enemy.

>On China
Firstly, here is a major contradiction in your analysis. 
> The Chinese also have a modern mentality that is so compatible with Talmudism
<In other words, the Chinese are EXTREMELY ethnocentric and EXTREMELY racially conscious, with deep hostility to outsiders... like the jews. 
>. If the Jews really became serious about getting into China I don't think China would be able to resist at all
This is akin to saying that if White people were as deeply ethnocentric and racially conscious as the jews are, that the jews would have an easy time taking us over.
You see the flaw in this thinking. It is backwards.
If White people were as racially conscious as jews or Chinese or Indians or even Arabs, we would be invincible to jewish subversion.
The very fact that we were not "talmudic" in our mentality towards race and outsiders is what got us into trouble.
If the Chinese are not altruistic and xenophiliacs, how are the jews (outsiders) going to take them over?

Secondly, you mention jews in control over some unspecified Chinese companies. Are they? Certainly, there are American companies in the hands of jews. But foreign companies in the hands of foreigners isn't the problem in America. The problem is that jews control media and, to a lesser extent, banks.
You know that if jews merely controlled Walmart or Toyota, that this would be nearly irrelevant to our racial health. The problem is that jews control Disney, CNN, Fox (indirectly), Google, YouTube, Facebook, and X (indirectly). 
Media allows jews to control the minds of the masses. 
Because we live in a democracy, he who controls information controls the government (via elections)
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>>8348
>and, to a lesser extent, banks.
This is antipodal to empirical reality. It's 'because' they took control over all forms of moneylending that they could finance their various rotten schemes as well as put every authority figure under their thumb.
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>>8334
>If the Jews really became serious about getting into China I don't think China would be able to resist at all, within a generation it would be over.
Crypsis doesn't work when it is immediately obvious to every member of the host population, down to toddlers, exactly who and what they're looking at.
>>8350
Okay, so we can eliminate jews from one and only one of two institutions: Banks or media.
Which do you choose?
ffs, half of the big banks aren't even run by jews but virtually all media is. Think.
>>8348
>That is not my point. I am arguing that, like our own ancestors, the jews were not and are not a uniform body. There are factions within factions and not every jewish family gets along. 
Perhaps and there surely are levels to it with the upper groups not shy of sacrificing the lower ones if needed, but in the end they have refined the Jewish way of life to perfection and this is what they protect first and foremost, this parasitic and obsessed method of coveting every single bit of wealth while destroying everything else to get there. Every single Jew has his use, a part to play in the grand scheme of Judaism. Even the most moderate, nice and assimilated Jews who have taken their own distance with their community prove useful for all sorts of reasons.
What happens though is that they would easily assemble all their groups in the face of a powerful common foe. Besides we shouldn't care much if there are different flavours of Jew because in the end it's only variations of the same core parasitism. Red, blue or pink parasites still are parasites.
>This is like concluding that all White aristocrats were fighting for White interests (they really weren't) and thus, seeking to D&C White elites is pointless.
No, the Jews really fight for the principles of their culture which grant them the power they need over the other nations. They might have very different ways to go at it, which is not even a given because all you do see is only the surface of it, but in the end they protect their essence, that of the envious parasite, and their methods regardless of them operating the US or Russia are not so different. For example in Russia they have ruined the country spiritually, morally and economically, it's a cesspit of corruption and debasement, and money still rules the day. Jews are in power there too. Russia is not to so different from the USA except for the much more reduced acceptance of the LGBT crowd. Russia moves a lot of Muslims and Asiatic men into the westernmost areas of the Federation which we all know are still White while women are whoring their way through life.
I fear you are looking way too much into superficial differences to pretend that there are major Jewish groups with dramatically opposed goals and desires when in truth we're dealing with international cliques that have remained very mobile throughout history and often merged and split as it was cohenient.
>Mind you, I am not saying that I plan to D&C Russian jews vs American jews. I lack this level of influence. But to pretend that all jews are clones with a collective brain is deifying the enemy.
This is being realistic. Jewish elites in control of nations they threw against each other hardly suffered at all like the controlled mind-slaves did, the Jews always found their way out. There are plenty of "Russian" Jews in the US, largely because life is cozier there, but at some point if the country keeps getting browner, they will be very tempted to move to more peaceful regions like Ukraine or Russia as the power of the latter would continue rising because Jews would simply transfer their –our– wealth over there.

Anything related to China has been posted in the All Asian thread.  >>7586
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>>8365
>we shouldn't care much if there are different flavours of Jew because in the end it's only variations of the same core parasitism. 
As I keep saying, I never said otherwise. I am clearly stating that I do not believe that 100% of jews in Russia are in lock step with 100% of the jews in America. If that were so, there would not have been a cold war over which form of judaism would dominate.
>inB4 "everything is fake, the Cold War was a trick"
I do not believe that the enemy is powerful enough to conduct a 60 year kabuki theater for no purpose. If the jews were really this powerful, then we simply could never beat them since they possess god-like power.

You're ignoring fundamental differences between Russia and the West. If the jews were everywhere the same, we wouldn't see much difference in political outlook between the West and Russia. The fact is that communism had a completely different outlook compared with liberal democracy and the end result has been very different. In some ways, those under the communist bloc were spared the worst aspects of liberal democracy, as evidenced perfectly by the divide between west and east Germany. To greatly reduce the complexity, communists were interested in looting a country of its resources, but otherwise left the people as feudal serfs while liberals are interested in much more. You literally must sing hymns to liberalism, no matter how poor you are, or it is a problem. Thus, east Germany ended up poor but mentally healthier than the rich but utterly spiritually broken west.
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>>8370
As if many members and other lesser Jews in the United States were not supportive of Communism.
The Cold War was totally phony and if it had gone several degrees up, the Jews would have not been doing the fighting, like we saw in Ukraine.
>I do not believe that the enemy is powerful enough to conduct a 60 year kabuki theater for no purpose. If the jews were really this powerful, then we simply could never beat them since they possess god-like power.
No need to be ridiculous. A mere network and overall guidelines that allow reaching the same destination while following two seemingly different paths is more than enough to fit with the historical events.
>The fact is that communism had a completely different outlook compared with liberal democracy
Only for the poor people who were the subject of communism, not the leaders who were just as parasitic through communism as they were through capitalism. Both are destroyers of civilizations in their own very ways, and we're finally seeing both merging now that have gone through their respective maturing stages.
>You literally must sing hymns to liberalism, no matter how poor you are, or it is a problem.
You were expected to do something similar under communism. There was no real American plan to destroy communism onc and for all. Some hawks might have believed that but they were fools. Things got tense to some extent because of Stalin's own Eurasian-centric way of seeing things who pruned the most internationalist of Jews, but they made him pay for that later on anyway.
Gentlemen, I appreciate the spirited discussion but this is not the thread for it. This thread concerns itself with off-the-grid living and other ways to emapncipate ourselves and our families from the System. Unless you have something to contribute on that matter, I humbly ask that you take the conversation elsewhere.
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>>8386
Understood.
I apologize.

I will add to the discussion that we as dissidents probably should get involved in short wave radio culture. There are a LOT of boomers and libertarians. But on the positive side, I think there may be zero leftists involved in SWR.
How many guys would be needed for such a project? It doesn't look like the kind of undertaking that could be completed in anything resembling a timely manner by going solo.
Even if you don't make your own underground bunker, you should have an escape tunnel dug out as well as a self-destruct mechanism to cover your tracks. You never know when you might need to make a hasty exit because the feds have your safehouse surrounded.
Good locations for a secret underground bunker:
>national parks
>abandoned buildings
>ghost towns
>the wilderness
>one's own home
What else?
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>>8585
The sewer
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>>8307
>ventilation
Build an upwards vent ending just underneath a tree. Easy.
>>8600
Teenage mutant Nazi turtles.
>>8585
An abandoned mine in a mountain? Good luck pounding that with a MOAB!
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>>8699
Good choice for defensibility as you said, but ventilation is an issue. Plus there's countless safety hazards that would have to be dealt with, since any given mine was abandoned for a reason. Additionally food access is going to be a pain in the ass if you want to keep it secret, unless you have a robust hydroponic farm underground and that's another can of worms. But yes, having a big underground base like some kind of Bond villain is rpetty kino, and strategically powerful.
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I think abandoned buildings should be left as they are, and the safehouse or bunker should be constructed UNDER the building. The only modification above ground should be a camouflaged secret entrance, unless the building has a basement in which case the secret entrance should be there. That way nobody who looks at the building itself will suspect there's anyone living there, much less insurgents. You'd have to deal with squatters and hobos, though.
>>8701
It appears the Cathars made intensive and good use of spacious grottoes.
Incidentally, one of the best covers would be to be right under your enemy's nose.
How do I go about making a secret bunker under my house when it doesn't even have a basement? Can someone with experience in construction explain how to build a basement under an existing house?
>>8312
Your post gave me an idea. What about using the corpses of niggers to generate energy? You take Jamal to a remote location, punch his ticket, then you chop the carcass up and put the pieces through a meat grinder until the whole body is reduced to burger meat. Then you drop the ground nigger slurry into a big hermetic barrel and hook it up to a diesel engine. Obviously the whole thing should be underground or otherwise away from prying eyes, lest you have to answer some uncomfortable questions. As for procurement, it couldn't hurt to start by snatching nigger crackheads and hobos from the streets, dregs of society nobody will miss. I'm not sure how much power one pulped adult human body will generate, but I think it's worth a shot.
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>>8829
You'd be better off turning niggers into petroleum. Have you considered a canine TND unit?
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>>8833
>You'd be better off turning niggers into petroleum.
Please tell me more, kind sir.
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>>8834
Look up synthetic petroleum. A petroleum generator is quite versatile in what inputs it can receive.
>>8833
Homemade petroleum or what have you works for powering vehicles, but using nigger smoothie corpse gas would be the better choice for powering underground bunkers. Or bigger buildings if you can procure more niggers. With how long it takes for a human body (or in this case a barrel of nigger puree) to decompose you can power a modest home for years with just a few barrels.
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