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Orlog, let me know if you want my shit moved elsewhere or as a new baked thread. For some reason, my effort posts keep ending up in your containment threads.

Re-posting a few of my rebuttals on the topic of ethno-weapons in the last thread before it died. A few typos were fixed, combined with the addition of symbols for clarification in the analogy for illustration purposes at the end.

One of several sources for the ethno-weapon (then labeled as an ethno-bomb in the news in the 1990's) by kikelandia: https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__israel-is-developing-ethnic-bomb-for-growing-biological-weapons-arsenal/

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Getting tired of the obvious paid or volunteer interns spamming up /fascist/ for some reason, so let's just cut to the chase. I'll put it in bullet points for any new readers (although some oldfags will probably appreciate it here). 

- Largely, the goal is to develop bio-weapons which target the specific gene structures for each enemy race, while holding onto the weapons for certain races that are perhaps neutral (arguably, some East Asians fit into this category. There might be smaller ethnic groups I'm unaware of as well) as global deterrence.

- After the enemy (jeets, niggers, jews, spics [many spics have jewish DNA due to many of the early raping conquistadors that woke textbooks complain about, were in fact crypto-jews which Europe expelled]) is largely crippled and their population dying in large numbers, actual large-scaled covert and overt political organization can take place.

- Taken from the 23andme genetic leaks, we can analyze some potential candidates for gene sequences to examine. The full set exists elsewhere for further analysis, and enough time has passed so that this dataset has been spread all over the Internet. Here's a sample of it, only revealing some jewish celebrities and individuals in the database (please see the picrel). It's suggested to get your hands on your own full copy (plus future DNA company leaks in the future, as these can be reverse-engineered).

• The mutation DFNB1, which causes deafness, is found among both Ashkenazim and Palestinian Arabs.
• The mutation G2019S sometimes associated with Parkinson's Disease is found among both Ashkenazim and Arabs.
• I1307K, an allele that causes Colorectal Cancer, is found among Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Arabs.
• The pemphigus MHC susceptibility gene is found among both Ashkenazim and Iranians.
• The 185delAG breast cancer mutation is found among both Ashkenazim and Moroccan Jews.
• A mutation causing Factor XI Deficiency is found among both Ashkenazim and Iraqi Jews
• all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites are descended on their direct male lines from a single man (the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor) who lived about 1,743 years ago
•  7.9% of the Ashkenazi population - about 300,000 men living today - are descended from the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor on their direct male lines. R1a-Y2619 is one of the largest Y-DNA clusters - if not the largest Y-DNA cluster - among Ashkenazi Jews.

TL;DR: Take the known yDNA and mDNA about different racial groups (this information is known online, in leaked datasets now spread everywhere, and can be coaxed from even modern censored AI with the correct prompts), study unique weaknesses found in populations which share these haplogroups, genes, or gene mutations. Experiment with private AI analysis or expert analysis on how these weaknesses can be exploited, build clandestine and cheap labs to test out said knowledge, if a golden ticket is found, spread said knowledge to the world digitally. Assume other cells will replicate this knowledge and these weapons. ????. Profit.

Boom. There you go. No more honey pots, no more paid jeet interns, no more kikebots shitting up quality content threads on obscure imageboards. By the way, niggers and jeets and other racial groups have their own medical genetic info spread out for decades to likewise exploit. There's not any real fear of this knowledge getting leaked, since most of the other races are too stupid to build or design such weapons, while jews share too much European DNA due to their mongrel nature to fully exploit it against Europeans. By contrast, jews have extremely specific genetic makeup which can be used against them without much concern for backfiring. I'd even go as far as to say that jews have an active mission to destroy anyone who tries building European-specific ethno-weapons, precisely because it'd kill so many of their own ashkenazi elite).

I personally suggest weaponizing in this order:
1) jews (this will take care of a chunk of the spic and sandnigger problem simultaneously due to interbreeding)
2) jeets (has overlap with some nigger DNA solutions, such as the prevalence of the sickle cell but their medical genetics are well-studied)
3) sandniggers (might be difficult to get a one-size fits all solution, since they are very mixed)
4) niggers (pretty easy)
5) spics
6) asians last (although this one might be difficult, as I'm not aware of how different each of the asian subracial groups are, it is entirely outside my field of knowledge plus it seems they are the least likely to be groups we'd want to actually deploy weapons for with the exception of the chinks)


>>15632
>In fact, it dramatically assists you since doing so could
>1. Provide you with more funding
>2. Allow us to take power after bio-weapons wipe out enemy races.
Yes, and as you likely recall, I fully ceded these to you. However, my post was more about what can be done right now which is novel, can be done independently, and is undeniably something greatly effective if carried out while precisely taking a giant shit on glownigger attempts to derail, invite to honeypots, distract, and demoralize with miseryporn flooding like they've stepped up here in the last two weeks seemingly out off the blue. Even in pieces, frens and anons can do this type of work to study potential solutions before passing them on before an effective framework is carried out physically. This for example, is already being done in pharmacology to guess the likely effect and use of drug pharmokinetics based on their structure alone before ever producing them in a lab; I see no reason why anons and frens can't do this with provided genomic data already here and now on the Net, both leaked and publically available (plenty of archived medical genetic studies out there for example), nevermind ones in the future once more of these ancestry kike companies get hacked. There's guides for private off-line AI tools that do this type of work, as an aid, nevermind the collective intelligence of anons doing the legwork themselves as both amateurs and professionals working together.

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>>15644
Remember, if you ask anons to seriously denounce the kike manual along with the chain of other statements, the most important part is demanding (and providing) a clear chain of sources or images which anyone can read and will be convinced that kikes are bad. Feds and jeet shills alike can say 'gas the kikes' all day long, but it's an entirely different matter to get a supervisor to authorize you posting hard statistical sources of vast child rape reports in jewish communities, clear sourced passages from real talmuds, nuclear arsenal reports combined with proving that kikeland's nuclear program is illegal combined with educating readers on the samson option, etc.

The point is to have it be clearly something reproduceable in a court of law, which a judge will have to read and recognize outloud, and which every glownigger will likewise be forced to do. Glowniggers and shills here and elsewhere tried pulling the whole 'you seriously think they'd bother with you or this level of autism on random imageboards?' until being forced to see the court FBI reports in picrels doing precisely that repeatedly on 8chan and elsewhere. They always fuck off after that.

>>15632
>You counter by saying that we're not genetically distinct enough for them to be sure. This works both ways. 
I did forget to address this point: I did mention a further counter-point to your own counter-point here, but do not believe it was illustrated correctly in past posts. I will amend that right now.

In an extremely simplified form, my counter-argument to your own counter-argument (or raised concern) can be addressed like so: Racial Group A has 97-100% genes in common, while Racial Group B likewise has 97-100% genes in common, and so on. Let's say Racial Group N has 32% of Racial Group A's (unique) genes, while close to 68% of its majority (unique) genes are from Racial Group B. Racial Group K might for example have 10% of Racial Group D's genetic make-up, 28% of E's, 5% of B's, 50% of Group A's, but also has a stand-out 20% of its own which is not found in any other existing groups. The point then, would be to devise weapons for that 20% unique to Group K and/or Racial Group B, which would also affect Racial Group N.

If you are following so far, substitute B with african (100% African), N with the 'africans' (or blacks) in Western countries such as the United States which are of mixed heritage, or K with jews and this analogy makes more sense in a realistic application. The analogy isn't quite exact, since Group K in this example has such a widely ranging array of samples from different Groups in real life, combined with goyim converts such as Donald Trump or others obviously having actual genes only related to Group A, but you can see why it's largely correct since in fact many of Group K do possess a set of unique stand-out genes no matter how much it varies in a range of something like 5-48% as is the case with real jews.

Finally, from the case I've shown here, I think you can see why devising weapons against Group A would be extremely dangerous to Group K even if done correctly (Group A → Group K), while Group A devising weapons for Group K does not affect Group A if done correctly by only focusing on genes particular to Group K (Group K !→ Group A). Also similar with B and N (Group B → Group N, while Group N !→ Group B), you can see why weapons against B will do serious damage to N as well.

>>15651
That's my explanation for why kikes haven't deployed any weapons: weapons against Palestinians and other sandniggers (proven to be a project since the late last century) in general would wipe out a majority of their own lower and middle class population, while European weapons would wipe out their elites.

Again this is a very simplified model, as in contrast to real life, there are things such as jeets having about 5% of their population having the sickle cell trait. If you devise a weapon against the sickle cell trait, it might be very devastating to most african populations, mixed and non-mixed, but would only do (at best) damage to something like 5% of the jeet global population since not even 10% possess it.

Although hypothetically taking out 90-99% of africans *and* 5% of jeets would be a welcome addition, it still would require solutions specific to south asians to address the other 95%.

>>15665
I only deleted your last post to redo the thread image, as I deleted the thread not knowing you had posted in it. sorry about that.

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>>15665
Forgot my other picrels.

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>>15665
Polite sage. Re-pasting some older abbreviated posts, to provide context for new readers and to refresh the memory of anons on these topics. 

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>>14424
I will do my best to address your question about above ground vs underground. For now, repeating my stance that above ground movements have repeatedly failed (and will continue to fail) as long as enemies are at our doorstep, which they are. Australia's NSN was a very recent example of this strategy, movementarianism (marching, voting, etc.) failing over night despite checking every box imaginable. The Golden Dawn is another in Greece. I'm not against above ground in the future, but they cannot exist now, which requires the underground and the methods I urge you all to consider. My main concern is showing all of you why the above ground is not feasible (with clear direct evidence from many countries), rather than pointing to examples of the underground working at this time which a lot of you are demanding me to do. As said before, a lot of what I am stressing by its very existence does not offer clear examples to point to. By analogy here, I am suggesting the arquebus to invest in as a brand new technology in an era of blades and pikemen and calvary, while you ask of me to give you clear-cut examples of firearms winning wars on an international or national scale. 

>>14426
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8836344/
Many israelis are allergic, while the native palestinians are not, precisely because the former are outsiders. Nature itself recognizes them as foreigners. If this is the case with a purely accidental, natural phenomenon, imagine how it can be augmented if done by design and engineering.
>What plants affect niggers but not Whites?
I don't have as clear an example for niggers. I will look into it more. 

>>14429
>There's been nothing better than guns and bombs.
This is patent nonsense. There are biological weapons far more potent than these. Hell, even natural disease and plague were far more dangerous than the weapons you suggest in all of human history, and those were not engineered or designed. The problem is that most (and likely almost all) known biological weapons affect EVERYONE, which is why they're not employed outside of selective use of them on specific populations (poisoning water with lithium, estrogenic compounds in our water and food, plastics, COVID vaccinations and quite possibly COVID itself, etc.)

>There is a world of difference between posing as victims as they did to legitimize their attacks, and deploying illegal genetic weapons on entire populations.
The israelis were openly developing these genetic weapons in the 1990's. It's not conspiracy whacko nonsense. I can cite you this if you wish, like my PubMed article. They clearly did not continue development or they developed them and did not release them, which are extremely odd for such a genocidal species and nation. Clearly, something made them very hesitant, which is where my conjecture comes from that they realized it'd wipe out significant portions of their own leadership and armed forces.

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I should add as a note for clarification of terminology: genetic, ecological, and biological warfare / weapons / phenomenon are all three distinct, but there is significant overlap. I will give examples as best I can to illustrate them both separately and in conjunction.

- Biological phenomena:
1) Black Plague
2) Small Pox
3) Diseases inherent from things such as corpses, contamination, etc.
4) Diseases unintentionally carried over by sea or air, leading to flu and influenza as seen in North America's history with the natives

- Biological warfare
1) Ancient Assyrians catapulting dead bodies into cities during sieges, in addition to contaminating water supplies leading back into the city being besieged, intentionally spreading disease by use of biological phenomena (overlap example)
2) Modern engineered ticks and mosquitoes to spread disease (ecological overlap)
3) COVID-19 vaccinations to inoculate specific populations with biological means, leading to genetic mutations (genetic warfare overlap)
4) Intentionally releasing rats or species infected with plague (overlap with natural biological phenomena, some ecological)
5) Poisoning water and food (seen with microplastics, SSRI's, lithium, etc., in North Americana and elsewhere)

- Ecological
1) Invasive species accidentally carried over, destroying local flora and fauna (overlap with ecological)
2) Trees, plants, and animals naturally being allergic to foreign populations (benign examples are allergies which people with second or third homes often have when away from home, not acclimatized to the local environment; the israeli-palestinian olive tree example is another)
3) Invasive species intentionally brought over or engineered (overlap with biological warfare and phenomena, such as the case with ticks and mosquitoes developed by the U.S. government; honey bees dying in recent years; asian beetles and bugs destroying trees and plants in North America as an invasive species from China possibly by design and intent)
4) Seed-bombing and other species used for select targets, which a focus on not spreading beyond target areas

- Genetic warfare
1) Introduction of individuals with bad genes, into a population to destroy it (hence referring to shitskins as bio-weapons). Seen since ancient times, but clear example with Great Replacement / Kalergi plan.
2) Targeted genetic weapons (COVID itself, separate from the vaccinations. Jewish populations were some of the least affected. Europeans were some of the most affected. This is likely no accident).
3) Broad-scale genetic engineering and tampering with humans (COVID vaccinations).
4) Combined methods (see above: engineered species such as ticks, released as an ecological weapon, which spread disease, which triggers epigenetic issues).

As you can see, all can be separated, overlap, and be combined which is why my answers seem to move around a lot for different issues and questions raised. I advise investing in all of them.



The way forward that I see, realistically, is in this order:

1) Clandestine ecological warfare first (green bombing techniques, refinement over time plus selection of plants and trees for distribution / planting en masse which *naturally* inflict allergies on foreign populations, requiring little engineering). Spread of this knowledge. Underground.
2) Refinement and study of ecological means; study of genetic vulnerabilities in different races. Theory and development of clandestine genetic weapons from research. Underground.
3) Release of clandestine genetic weapons, ideally combined with proven ecological methods. Further research of how to make them lethal. Above ground political movements being planned.
4) Seeding and release of lethal variants to reclaim territories. Analysis of success. Move forward to push public-facing movements.
5) Assuming success and capture of major territories, along with defensive seeding and proliferation in the country side / friendly territories, push to develop and greatly expand public movements.
6) Public movements in power. Assuming major successes and takeover. Continue development of lethal to mass-scale. Apply offensively, taking new territory. Transition from national to international.
7) Ideal final outcome: refine mass development and release of selective weapons everywhere, leaving no land or country for adversaries to flee to. All hospitable lands and waters have combination ecological-biological fine-tuned on a genetic level released.

I've skipped a lot of steps here, but you can see how conventional politics and warfare takes place between 3 and 7. This is where I'd defer to the expertise of many good anons in our camp. However, I see the methods I stress as irreplaceable to get you started in the early stages, and unavoidable for an ultimate world-view victory in the end stages as well.

Fascinating stuff! Your work is admirably thorough, Biowarfareanon. I had the same broad idea in mind, just with a different application. Admittedly my own stab at this line of  research was far more amateurish, but I made some interesting discoveries of my own. That said, I keep running into the same big hurdles.

1) Timing. Even if we develop a 100% reliable pathogen that kills only selected ethnic groups with 100% certainty, if its spread is limited to one area, even if it's a large region, it runs the risk of burning itself out before it can spread to the whole world, or being quarantined. The moment its impact becomes visible, its effectiveness is on a timer.
2) Insufficient reach. Even if we do manage to kill a great number of kikes, it's unlikely (unless seeded in specific ways) that we might be able to hit the top kikes. Not to mention, there's still plenty of shabbos goyim who will be unaffected, and thus cannot be disposed of with this ethnically-tailored pathogen.
3) Backfire potential. As Orlog mentioned, the possibility that it mutates and begins affecting us as well is a concern. 

Any attempt at biowarfare should solve those problems first, or I fear its impact will be tragically limited compared to the damage it could do if properly applied. All in all, I think if we employ biological warfare we only have one shot at it, so we have to make it count.

As a final note, while I admire your thoroughness and your planning skills, I think putting all our eggs in one basket is a mistake. I'm of the belief that war against the System must be undertaken with any means at our disposal, according to each revolutionary's individual capabilities. Guns and bombs have their place, as do bioweapons, as does cyberwarfare, as does espionage. I'd be elated to work alongside you though, if we ever meet.

JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS

>>15676
>1) Timing. Even if we develop a 100% reliable pathogen that kills only selected ethnic groups with 100% certainty, if its spread is limited to one area, even if it's a large region, it runs the risk of burning itself out before it can spread to the whole world, or being quarantined. The moment its impact becomes visible, its effectiveness is on a timer.
Perhaps, yes. You make good points. However, I think it'd be very useful in its early stages even as a limited-reach weapon. Besides all that, I was really hoping to have it run parallel with the ecology projects.
>2) Insufficient reach. Even if we do manage to kill a great number of kikes, it's unlikely (unless seeded in specific ways) that we might be able to hit the top kikes. Not to mention, there's still plenty of shabbos goyim who will be unaffected, and thus cannot be disposed of with this ethnically-tailored pathogen.
I agree with you here, for the most part. I do however think the clearing out (and prevention) of all non-Europeans is the sort of fighting chance needed in a geographical area, even if it leaves a lot of immune shabbos alive. This has strong psychological value, besides the number of competent shabbos goyim getting progressively harder to find; this seems to me to be the very tactical high-ground needed for the conventional and unconventional means you and others wish to pursue (and which I also agree inevitably need to be pursued).
>3) Backfire potential. As Orlog mentioned, the possibility that it mutates and begins affecting us as well is a concern.
The benefit of this line of research (and with the specific ecological sister branches I've suggested) is that I do not really see that happening, as it's not an all-purpose weapon to begin with. Meme all-purpose bioweapons in prior decades which the media fearmongered about and played up, such as anthrax, most definitely can backfire -- along with many types of ecological weapons. I personally see us as out of time or I'd never suggest such paths to begin with, but even accounting for my own impatience, this seems more conservative by design. If the ecological-genetic weapon route is pursued more firmly instead of the biological-genetic weapon route,  this might be the sort of safety handguards you are looking for. An example of the former would be something like olive trees (already triggering mild reactions) which were modified to trigger extreme allergic reactions to the point of death or something similar -- these would already be field-tested and proven 'safe' towards the native population. The latter might take the form of something like an airborne agent or mold, which was modified (or found to already negatively affect) different racial groups, but might run the risk of mutating on its own.

>Any attempt at biowarfare should solve those problems first, or I fear its impact will be tragically limited compared to the damage it could do if properly applied. All in all, I think if we employ biological warfare we only have one shot at it, so we have to make it count.
Yes. And I do expect these different routes (genetic, biological, ecological, combination, etc.) to have unexpected successes and some complete dead-ends, especially if anons are collectively collaborating on this in a decentralized manner.

>Guns and bombs have their place, as do bioweapons, as does cyberwarfare, as does espionage. 
No doubt, and I will never disagree.

>I'd be elated to work alongside you though, if we ever meet.
I'm missing the sort of land and space and resources to test some of these things, along with peers to double-check my work, but my hope is that others with those things will get the chance to see the fruit born from such labour which I will likely never get to see myself due to OPSEC and logistics. However, that's good enough for me if competent anons such as yourself succeed and perfect what I can only open the door for.

The working class are more moral than rich people. I mean think about it. Most of the people bringing in a gorillion immigrants are rich company owners who are bringing them in for cheapness alone. Most of them live far more comfortable lives than the average man and thus maybe they do not truly care for the problems caused by the immigrants.
The working class has in recent years been the main supporters of nationalist "far-right" or whatever parties which has caused the supposed left socialists to fail as they fall into cultural Marxist subverted progressivism.
Idk if this really is an unpopular opinion.

>>15679
The only reason the working class cares is because it affects them directly. If America still had segregation for example I think most of the white population would go quietly until we were 20-30%

Rich people are just as insane as poor people but at least they dress better and are more superficially polite. Anything is better than living around homeless drug addicts and they're all white. I don't really care if they're "victims" of the Sacklers either

I wonder if fascism would be more successful if it didnt care about race so much. Make it about "citizenship" or something.

>>15680
>Anything is better than living around homeless drug addicts and they're all white. I don't really care if they're "victims" of the Sacklers either
Kill yourself kike.

>>15681
It's because of the "citizenship" bullshit that we're in this abysmal situation. Civnats get the rope too.

>>15682
Well, the problem is that citizenship has turned into a bureaucratic phrase for certain taxation and voting status. The old meaning of citizenship, and being and acting like a citizen, had meaning. But it could work as a better public word, instead of fascism etc.

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>>15679
>The working class has in recent years been the main supporters of nationalist "far-right" or whatever parties which has caused the supposed left socialists to fail as they fall into cultural Marxist subverted progressivism.
It's no secret that for all their touted solidarity with the working class, the left fucking hates (White) blue collar workers with vitriolic spite. Not a single leftist has ever had an actual job, dig a little and you'll see they've always been spoiled rich fucks who never worked in their lives.

>>15681
Citizenship ceases to matter, if the race is not preserved, since almost no civilization other than European ones are worth living under.

>>15686
I am thinking of citizenship as an expression of the standards and expectations of a Western man.

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>>15687
Can you explain further? I'm genuinely confused on what you meant, since fascism without ethno-centricism just turns into civic nationalism, like everything else deprived of ethno-centricism including theocracies / theocratic nationalism.

If you meant marketing or propaganda-wise, it still doesn't work to not focus on race, since your enemies just label you le heckin' racist nazi, and you're right back in the same boat even if you genuinely just wanted a functional government and society which coincidentally fit 1990's sitcom ethnic demographics in Western countries without an ounce of fascism, fighting, killing, or race politics.

>>15682
No. Some homeless drug addicts can be saved, maybe 20%. But the rest choose that life because they're too traumatized to fix or genetically antisocial. Physical removal will be necessary. And yes, there are homeless niggers and illegals, but most of the bad ones end up in jail. Homeless white meth heads though are everywhere. They steal everything and litter almost as much as jeets.

>>15688
I think we are looking at this through two completely different lenses. You are viewing this through the lens of modern political theory and identity politics—where everything is reduced to race, power dynamics, and state mechanisms. I am looking at it through the lens of history, human flourishing, and the actual spirit of Western civilization. When I talk about citizenship as the high expression of a people, I am talking about virtue, duty, and excellence. In the Western tradition, to be a citizen wasn’t just a passport or a tax bracket; it was a moral calling to be a custodian of a specific way of life, actively practicing the virtues like personal responsibility, reason, and the rule of law that made the culture great in the first place.

This perspective transcends both the sterile legal contract of "civic nationalism" and the biological reductionism of "ethno-nationalism" by focusing instead on cultural excellence. The average person doesn't want to live in a hyper-politicized battlefield where every conversation is reduced to race or fascism, nor do they want to be treated as mere economic units who just pay taxes and vote. People want to live in a functional, beautiful, and stable society, and they naturally long for meaning. By framing citizenship as a shared cultural inheritance, we offer people a grand story to participate in, giving them a standard of excellence to strive for in their daily lives, their families, and their communities.

Ultimately, this is a far better and more appealing way of living because it creates organic stability from the inside out. A society is truly stable when its people share a deep, internal moral fabric and a genuine pride in their heritage—not when they are simply forced to coexist by laws or segregated by identity politics. You don't get a stable Western society just by having a good tax code or by hyper-focusing on demographics. You get it by revitalizing the cultural virtues that built the West, and citizenship, in its highest sense, is simply the daily practice of those virtues.

And by West, I mean White, of course.

>>15691
>But the rest choose that life because they're too traumatized to fix or genetically antisocial. 
And who did the traumas / made society so irredeemably shit that even a normie life inflicts severe stress and mental instability in The Current Year of Our Lord 2015+11?

Not defending hardcore drug addicts, have plenty of reason to liquidate them myself from firsthand experience after seeing how irredeemable they are. I'm practically an anti-social social hermit myself, due to the incessant organized judaism inflicted on my entire country, the globe, my race, and every realm of life since before I was born but was made undeniable since the year 2020 which has impacted everything.

>>15692
>This perspective transcends both the sterile legal contract of "civic nationalism" and the biological reductionism of "ethno-nationalism" by focusing instead on cultural excellence
I (and we, meaning most actual educated fascists or ultranationalists or actual right-wingers), don't have a 'biological reductionism' of race (and by extension ethno-nationalism) to begin with, though. A core tenet is to match your ethnicity on the inside (meaning mentally, ethically, and spiritually) as well as the exterior (meaning genetics and biology). That's what it means to be Aryan, unironically, in the genuine National Socialist / Fascist / ultra-right-wing sense: it's to be a pure ethnic European, who does not behave like a nigger, but instead a noble member of their race exactly like the best of the ancient West in character, spirit, creed, and lifestyle (as far as one can do so, within their means). It doesn't take much effort to see this, using extremes: is the European woman (or man) who prostitutes themselves to foreign dick in any way the sort of behavior of someone who is internally European or Aryan? Of course not. This is actually a fundamental reason why homosexuality is attacked so much in our community, despite a particular homosexual being genetically European or even 'based' in their outlook and words.

I (and we) don't give a shit about our race, so much as we give a shit about members of our race who are looking out for our own race or have the potential to do so such as children or the unborn or the uneducated. Respectfully, I think your lack of attention to this is from a lack of education on the matter, rather than any fault with fascism (or adjacent philosophies).

Seriously, go through the reading list on fashfront.st; ignore the community, and simply read the compiled best selections from actual right-wing people on there. You will find that there's a rich, long history of providing exactly what you believe to be absent in ethnic Europeans who are part of this movement (or again, attached in the periphery).

>>15605
>Its leadership, such as Gerry Adams, were frequently arrested, detained, and continuously monitored.
This is not something we could afford. A leader has the brain and the vision, he has prime information on the network and as he surrounded himself with the best, his capture is terrible for the network. He must be protected, even if it means switching to the non-legal side. That's also why the surface aspect of the organization is always walking on eggs and must surround itself with advocates and be ready to play dirty and use subterfugre and pressure against agents of ZOG such as politicians, technocrats, judges, journalists. Slander will come our way anyway, there's no point believing otherwise.
>Should meaning morally? Yes. In an ideal world, no one should be killed especially children.
In an ideal world, there would be only Whites or almost, and nothing remotely close to Jews. But this world doesn't exist.
The other points are noted and agreed upon.

Is the subversive moron saying we should fight against White Nationalists and help the Jews still in the room?

>>15727
Who was saying that? because nobody involved in that argument was saying that, one was very clearly stating that if "White Nationalists" had an issue with actual National Socialist revolutionaries doing what must be done they would be traitors by definition and considering how the majority of "White Nationalists" act these days any such revolutionary would be turned in, to the jews and jew-controlled governments, very quickly, by said "White Nationalists" so who are you talking about?

>>15729
I skimmed the last two dozen replies in the former thread and that's definitely what was being argued by the two bickering anons, the daycare fag one and the SIEGE one, whether it was the fruit of dishonesty or a misunderstanding or else. You can find this around >>15401 and while there seemed to be a strawmaning going on with
>I will wage a civil war (against White nationalists) even as Zog still lives
which was modified sentence from the former post, the other anon didn't object to it. And then Jews, and ZOG, etc.

Current White Nationalists may do stupid or lame things because the leaders are rather mediocre, but they're the only ones doing at thing at all on the other hand. On purely theoretical grounds, a White Nationalist fights for the White nation, where nation stands as a people united by origins, blood and culture. WNs getting a bad rep these days is just another unfortunate side effects of the current times. I tire of seeing White Nationalism being given such a bad reputation from within our ranks. There is no cohesion, no proper leadership. All we have are figures running on resources we cannot trace back to their donors and that is it. We don't even have one single relatively White nation with, say, its own hidden power group that could be used to obtain funds to prop up new organizations in countries in dire need of such structures. What is there? The White drug cartels in the US? The eclipsed Third Reich crumbs in Europe? Even if there were compatible potentialities in Eastern Europe I feel there's no racial network there at all. Everything needs to be built up before we go anywhere. I wish we had a real White Triad for example. Do we?

>>15606
>If National Socialism means helping jews slaughter the opponents of jews, then I am not a National Socialist.
National Socialism states that Jews are the enemies of the Aryan Germans and Whites to a greater extent, as Jews are the enemy, forever.

>>15613
An obvious tool to keep up our sleeves but this is utterly premature. I can feel why you need to say such things openly but that's really bread and butter of the inner NS circles and other groups likeminded. IOW, don't worry.

>>15615
Obvious fed post but just in case, a clarification.
>Interesting you see the Jews as a potential ally on that front
This is not what that anon said. Quote the litigious part or shut the fuck up.

>>15621
>Is this thread here with us now? no?
I saved such a thread. I think it was put on an archive or screen captured. Nevertheless I know this thread existed and it delved deeply into the difference between the IRA and the PIRA and explained how far the actions of the latter went, including bombing cases. It was an appreciated effort post as far as I'm concerned.
>what you did on 8chan isn't even fucking remotely relevant to any discussion you might have unless you actually posted it's content and sources, and even then your commentary is almost utterly worthless.
What anon did was likely believe too hard that the post would remain forever. I too posted over there, now countless words lost in the silence.
<I've witnessed the death of a thousand forums and boards, the extinction of a million worlds, the last breathe of entire galaxies. For those, I say, no one is ever prepared.
But let's put an end to the bickering then.
Let's have a proper comparison of IRA vs PIRA, documented and all that. Pros and cons.
>You cock-gobble PIRA and Sinn Fein like they weren't traitors to the IRA cause, like they didn't become naught but another tool of the British government.
Funny thing because I remembered that it was the IRA that got utterly wormed by the Britbong government but maybe I got my mem notes wrong.
>Gerry Adams... Sinn Fein
If anything this is the proof that capture is not acceptable. Such people can be turned against their own comrades. On another note, we're yet to see Robinson have any kind of ties to an underground army that could organize bombing events against governments assets on a foreign territory.
Regarding SF, we all know they abandoned the cause and that's because they simply didn't grab power and maintain it. But let's be honest, if that had happened back then, Ireland would have soon or later been invaded by England and the US, reduced to being Afghanistan but with more potatoes.
>If I were to choose to target a daycare center hypothetically, (when I have never stated to do so nor advocated doing so, I have only claimed that killing my enemies children is morally right) then I would be sure to pick one that is either entirely non-White or if none could be found, one that is majority non-White, we will go with the second in this following hypothetical. I would gladly kill these imaginary children both white and not to teach people that fraternization and comradery with non whites is anathema and should be punished with death it would also serve to demoralize the likely leftist or moronic conservacuck parents and teach them that letting little Arya and Theo be around niggers is not a good thing. If White Nationalist have an issue with this, they can choose to shut up, or choose to be traitors.
This is where I would draw the line because that's stupid. Our mission would be to evac all White children first and foremost and then, and ONLY then, perhaps, bomb the whole thing.
>Natural Law
It says to do what is best for our people, to preserve it and its sanity. Killing enemy children is, if needed, totally acceptable. Done on a case by case basis, if only to avoid assigning resources to tertiary operations. Civilians can be a liability too for the enemy so sometimes keeping civilians alive but brutalizing them to the point of troops being used for civilian support is a good option.
>We are living under an oppressive regime that seeks to destroy our people down to the last man and the only strategy that doesn't get most of us killed, or swept up and put in jail, is the one where we don't operate in organizations with names
This debate is stuck between two aspects: on one side the necessity to gather the resources to be able to create a powerful network from scratch; on the other hand, the unavoidable fact that a nameless underground hitting arm is just as necessary to get moving, with the added factor that it will certainly be free to act in ways that any other organization couldn't.
>Nobody claimed that it was spontaneous, the book you keep shitting on, while never bothering to read, directly says to form something locally, if you can, and it explicitly says to do one of 2 things: Total Dropout: as in cutting the system out of your life to the extent that it is possible. or Total Attack: as in go fucking wild with the boys and destroy things that underpin the systems power and control, do not claim you did it, do not tell anyone who was not directly involved what you have done, and many more methods to avoid being caught most of which are still relevant 40 years after it was written, it has never, and will never, provide a method to organize if the system goes down, most of that is common sense or stated so many oither places it's inclusion would be redundant, it's only goal is to tell us the way to most effectively bring the system, that we cannot defeat militarily, to ashes. it tell you how to do this without getting caught, not everyone will to be able to escape the system or it's enforcers but that's just how life works.
Sounds like a power fantasy, as always. Your "boys" will be so few that you'll get nowhere. If anything, your source acts as if there were a thousand cells all acting magically coherently at the meta level like some national army without yet having a thousandth of the organized network and logistics to support that.
Meanwhile nobody cites Lane who talked about that much more intelligently than any of you, and if you truly needed fictions you'd be able to look into Pierce's books, starting with Turner Diaries, and Covington's NTI series, starting with The Brigade.
>The point is not to defeat the System, it is to weaken it at every opportunity from within, wearing it down until it shatters on it's own, while either outwardly appearing as harmless, or to leech from the system to the utmost while cutting yourself out of it.
You understand nothing about the human psyche. People always want to gather into great institutions. We are social beings, we want to be with people who think and live like us. We always want to belong to things that are greater than us. That's why an organization is of the utmost necessity and that's why cells magically forming here and there won't work until there's something and something to lay a blueprint and organize things without necessarily micro-managing the shit down to the last fighter.
>THE CELLS ARE NOT SPONTANEOUS, THEY ARE TO BE DELIBERATELY FORMED BY EACH MAN WHO READS SIEGE, BY EVERY TRUE NATIONAL SOCIALIST, IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO SO, IF NOT, YOU CAN STILL OPERATE ALONE, IT JUST ISN'T EASY, OR THE SMARTEST THING TO DO.
Considering how long this book has existed, it doesn't seem to have had the effect you wish it had. It would only become acceptable if the book were given respectful letters and almost treated as an official treaty of asymmetrical war. Meaning it would need to be backed by an authority that people would look up to in order to decide if the book is correct or not. Which brings us back to the need for this authority. That's why you have religions, kingdoms, armies. People behave like children and they need their daddy to tell them what is right and what isn't. Assuming Siege could be cleansed of all the mockery that surrounds it and truly taken seriously, it would still need to be validated so to speak by some group or someone. As it is for now it's just an obscure book floating heedless in a sea of noise.

>>15622
>it took Anthony Fauci 40 years to create and accidentally release Covid19 which did almost nothing, and is now an endemic cold of sorts.
>accidentally
Holy fuck. Please stop. There's nothing accidental about this global psyops. It was just as prepared and even announced as 9/11, with the same usual clues painted ahead and all over it.

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>>15725
The boys in Aus seem to be trying their hardest to keep Hugo clean since he's the one funding their operation. I think his family owns real estate and is worth hundreds of millions. He's not the leader per se but he could run for politics even if Thomas and Joel stay in jail for awhile
>>15731
You can't organize on the basis of "whiteness" because it's implicitly Anglo and the American population is mostly off-whites / nons. White nationalism unironically looks like Kike Pence and his army of Zionist Jews desperately trying to shore up WASP power against the masses of low-IQ slaves the WASPs themselves imported. White nationalism is deporting Palestinian protesters but allowing subhuman Muslim niggers to run around raping Irish girls in the working class neighborhoods. Because the Muslim niggers are the only ones desperate enough to work for the slave wages the self-appointed Calvinist elect WASPs are willing to pay. The whole country is rotten to the core. I hope Iran and Russia win

>>15732
>Assuming Siege could be cleansed of all the mockery that surrounds it and truly taken seriously, it would still need to be validated so to speak by some group or someone. As it is for now it's just an obscure book floating heedless in a sea of noise.
I'm baffled there's people still advocating to 'read SIEGE'. It was novel at the time because it already accepted that Rockwell's era of movementarianism had failed (and the time for it would not work past that era due to demographic change). It then introduced accelerationism, which would itself more properly evolve into being labeled as futurism. However, SIEGE is not like Mein Kampf or even Covington's works -- there's no real further details to be gleaned from it. Mason wisely says to stay away from himself, as he's under monitoring, and it's implied he was doing the best he could to drop a canary in the inevitable event he'd be forced to go informant / honeypot future nationalists to avoid prison and be able to eat.

IM, FF, and FF (and predecessor forums) already distilled the best of SIEGE into memes and bullet points. Real accelerationists and futurists, now, are well beyond SIEGE besides. There's no camp I can think of who'd still advocate for it other than chum which will end up in some fed honeypot shitskin O9A / ToB / Satanist meatgrinder either accidentally or as a lure to others gullible enough to do so.

>>15739
>There's no camp I can think of who'd still advocate for it other than chum which will end up in some fed honeypot shitskin O9A / ToB / Satanist meatgrinder So you mean like this place or Fashfront?

>>15741
Haven't seen a hint of that here, funny enough. Gets nipped in the bud immediately here, since all eyes are on discussions with the open format. Might happen with private exchanges on FF, but the admins there are pretty quick to gas even active members if there's any hint of that talk since it was that crew which killed AWD and IM last time around.

>>15731
>I skimmed.......
That's the problem, the argument started due to the derad faggot using the bible as an example of how bad jews are morally, and took objection to that they'd kill their enemies children except the girls suitable as breeding sows, and also objected to how christniggers don't care about it, he found the slaughter of children wrong at its core, no matter the perspective, I objected to that and and he promptly brought out brought out his Derad ScriptBook™ again which revealed who he was and so it went from there 
>which was modified sentence from the former post, the other anon didn't object to it. And then Jews, and ZOG, etc.
the fact that it was modified and straw-manned should tell you about the truth of the claim, I told him clearly what would necessitate that and it was White Nationalists, who apparently need articles to remind them to avoid "based blacks", opposing me, in the hypothetical, doing what must be done, pure, plain, and simple. With them being against National Socialism, which most of those who claim that label are.
>Current White Nationalists may do stupid or lame things because the leaders are rather mediocre, but they're the only ones doing at thing at all on the other hand.
And instead of I don't know actually putting in the effort to learn why men like Pierce and Rockwell and Lane and so on were National Socialists and not "White Nationalists" these retards do what, they cling to their likely incoherent conceptions of racism, nationalism etc., and believe we can remove the shitskins, of all stripes, peacefully by taking control of a government, or governments to do so. Ones that have been designed and bent towards wiping out any inkling of NS thought for 70 years, through electoral politics. Oh and also while supporting ,and allowing, such shit as "WN feminism" to exist.
If you seriously think these fucking subversives who exist mostly to suppress National Socialists, and thus true revolutionary thought and action, are worth something, you might be more deluded than they are.
>On purely theoretical grounds, ...
They can't even manage to do that now, what makes you think more than even 1 in 1000 of them is even recoverable, let alone made into any kind of fighting force.
>WNs getting a bad rep these days...
It's not a side effect it's literally only happening because outside of a few places left nobody who runs or manages a NS space keeps them out of their discussions, I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan, when it went down, off the board to keep it how it always has been, the threads are still there. 
>There is no cohesion, no proper leadership...
By design, both from the system and because those who could lead properly have either read what's necessary to realize what has to be done, and like me are trying to make sure that continues to be the case and that we lose as few people who could be useful as possible to the Meat-Grinder Nationalism of shit like Sinn Fein and Patriot Front.
>Even if there were compatible potentialities in Eastern Europe I feel there's no racial network there at all...
If there was, they're probably spent by now, either as soldiers or mercenaries considering Volodymyr Zelensky isn't dead and replaced with an NS leader, or at least Military.
It doesn't matter what exists now, if any orgs manage to manage to survive the systems implosion I'll be greatly surprised since naming themselves and allowing federal infiltration and control has definitely painted targets on their backs, and that's if they didn't do it already by committing crimes against their local community that don't serve to destroy the system, like the many supposed NS gangs that exist from here to there across the country

>>15732
>I saved such a thread.
Okay, then provide it or shut up about it, if I could see it, maybe it'd have been relevant, but I can't, so it's not.
>Let's have a proper comparison of IRA vs PIRA, documented and all that. Pros and cons.
It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended,
The IRA was moderately successful but couldn't finish the goal and it should be noted they didn't cut PIRA and SInn Fein out of meddling with Irish politics, considering they either no longer exist or are no better than Sinn Fein/PIRA I consider the IRA ultimately a failure after a good amount of success, PIRA/SF on the other hand, don't seem to have done anything remotely successful since their inception, they didn't prevent the furtherance of, or independence from Britain, they didn't keep shitskins out, or anything we could look at beside modeling their outward discipline, for yet another worthless organization, sure maybe we could learn how to bomb people but an Anarchists Cookbook serves just as well, and yes I know there are better books than that.
>Funny thing because I remembered that it was the IRA that got utterly wormed by the Britbong government but maybe I got my mem notes wrong.
Maybe so, but that was AFTER accomplishing at least half of what they set out to do, and through an actual war against the Brits, what did PIRA accomplish in comparison? not much from what I can recall but I may be wrong.
>If anything this is the proof that capture is not acceptable.
Capture, of some, is inevitable, but of course should be kept to an absolute minimum.
>we're yet to see Robinson have any kind of ties to an underground army that could organize bombing events against governments assets on a foreign territory.
He has literal, direct ties to Mossad, and he seems to be a jew himself. in fact, one of his known besties/employees at his retarded journalism outlet is the former Israeli Defense Forces "Defender Of Australia™" Avi Yemeni.
>But let's be honest, if that had happened back then, Ireland would have soon or later been invaded by England and the US, reduced to being Afghanistan but with more potatoes.
I find it highly unlikely that America would have gotten involved, or that that would have happened, but sure it's possible.
>This is where I would draw the line because that's stupid. Our mission would be to evac all White children first and foremost and then, and ONLY then, perhaps, bomb the whole thing.
It isn't stupid, it's a daycare, it'll have kids from babies on up to 10 or so, and you'll note it's been done before, OKC ring a bell? Just because they might be innocent doesn't mean you waste your time, and risk the freedom and lives of actually active and useful men saving them especially if you're going to return them to their likely leftist parents afterward, it makes no sense tactically, ideologically, or in any other way to do so, and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
>It says to do what is best for our people, to preserve it and its sanity. 
No it says to preserve it and guide it top the best way it survives if losing our races, "sanity" (whatever in the fuck that is beyond a tool to suppress and oppress us) is the cost to survive and thrive even that must go.
>Killing enemy children is, if needed, totally acceptable. 
It is absolutely necessary, and must be done to the last shitskin on the planet or this will happen again.
>Done on a case by case basis, if only to avoid assigning resources to tertiary operations. 
It should be done in all cases, without fail, they already mercilessly and unceremoniously murder our peoples children, it is illogical and idiotic not to do the same.
>Civilians can be a liability too for the enemy so sometimes keeping civilians alive but brutalizing them to the point of troops being used for civilian support is a good option.
If civilians must be saved best not to put them anywhere you're going to need to be free of traitors.
>This debate is stuck between two aspects: on one side the necessity to gather the resources to be able to create a powerful network from scratch; on the other hand, the unavoidable fact that a nameless underground hitting arm is just as necessary to get moving, with the added factor that it will certainly be free to act in ways that any other organization couldn't.
No it's only stuck on his part, named organizations can do nothing but fail or become tools of the enemy, we have seen this demonstrated repeatedly over the last 81 years, The only moderately successful groups after Rockwell's death were the National Alliance, and the Silent Brotherhood, and had the Brotherhood not trusted CI niggers, they might have avoided the feds, and what happened to Mathews.
>Sounds like a power fantasy, as always. Your "boys" will be so few that you'll get nowhere.
No that's you straw-manning shit, the point of Siege is that at the time they were written you had plenty of people in groups/gangs that were mostly for defense of their communities from groups like the Black Panthers, such as Metzger's groups under WAR and Tomassi's group, and so on, who had actual NS leading them, one model was to be like the Manson Family in structure, but with the guide being Hitler. Mein Kampf, etc. Outside the system, like roving bands taking what you need wherever you can, this was unlikely so there were several other models provided within the compiled newsletters.
The only real problem with it is that from the first page you are presumed to be a proper National Socialist, with a correct understanding of the ideology and how to make sure purity in ideology remains as you move forward, as provided by many figures starting with Hitler and the editors of Mein Kampf, and it was this presumption that failed, many who've read it or claimed to do so, didn't have the proper understanding of NS, nor the mindset necessary to follow what must be done. A prime example is AWD who failed utterly because they first, named themselves, and second didn't exclude Abrahamic religions, or allowed diluted ideology to make it's way into a given cell, and so on.
>Meanwhile nobody cites Lane who talked about that much more intelligently than any of you,
Siege is not fiction it was a critical of the movement at large newsletter written by Mason and published by I think, first, what remained of Rockwell's group and it's publishing arm. 
The Brigade series depicts allowing women to fight and have jobs like they do in the modern world, this is a dumb idea and one of the first things we'll have to deal with. and I've already read several of Pierce's books(Who We Are chief among them) as well as many of his essays, and listened to a buttload of the radio shows, the Turner diaries being completely unnecessary, because I don't think Pierce put much effort into it.
>You understand nothing about the human psyche. People always want to gather into great institutions. We are social beings, we want to be with people who think and live like us.
I understand that perfectly, that's part of why Siege is correct in what we must do, in order to survive and destroy the system we need to deny part of our nature, that base need to belong to something bigger. Being technical, it provides that with being a National Socialist, if that isn't enough for you, you need to reevaluate. That need is how our enemies have manipulated us, and are even now using it against us to kill US before they do more than pester the lemmings of our race
>that's why cells magically forming here and there won't work until there's something and something to lay a blueprint and organize things without necessarily micro-managing the shit down to the last fighter.
I guarantee you whole cells already exist, the only matter is finding them and organizing them once the system is broken beyond repair,, until then the system is doing damage to itself and the more we contribute, in whatever way, that isn't joining MGN groups the faster we weaken and destroy it. The only guides one should need are the 88 precepts, the 2 sets of the 14 words, Mein Kampf and Siege, all else can be saved and preserved and learned later or as you go along.
>Considering how long this book has existed, it doesn't seem to have had the effect you wish it had. 
I couldn't know even if I wanted to, if someone is following what's inside Siege, they would never tell anyone they couldn't trust absolutely.
>It would only become acceptable if the book were given respectful letters and almost treated as an official treaty of asymmetrical war.
IT should be, but MGN fucks refuse to consider it, and suppress all revolutionary action within their reach because they're too dumb to read it or understand it if they did, and they're ultimately cowards and also the fact idiots turned it into memes. which sure got some of the ideas out there, but bastardized nearly everything there is about it. The best infographics were made by Iron March, and I don't even think that should have been done either, because in eschewing detail you lose the essence of things. You allow morons to take what's ours, bastardize it further, and then spread their idiocy even further.
>Holy fuck. Please stop. There's nothing accidental about this global psyops. 
That part was sarcastic, intentional or not, it really doesn't change anything, it was released and is now endemic.

>>15746
>MGN
What's what stand for again?

>>15748
Meat Grinder Nationalism

>>15746
>and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
Bit apocryphal, take it or leave it, but there's accounts of South American military juntas taking the kids off commie couples and having them adopted by either peripheral members of the regime or people otherwise aligned with the regime's values. Supposedly these kids for the most part grew up with their adoptive parents' values and never would've guessed they were the children of commie subversives until they were told so decades after the regimes had fallen.

>>15751
I am aware but those are in a place more racially confused than anywhere except perhaps china, so popping kids into a random family isn't likely to cause many issues. The simple fact is we aren't likely to be in a position to do that and it greatly depends on the ages of children and it still wouldn't be a tactically smart move, unless one were going to kidnap every child and sort out the ones to kill later, which just brings hosts more questions that it would be easier and smarter not to deal with unless we have to.

>>15746
This, I think, is why direct actions by Breivik, Tarrant, et al are an important pillar of our campaign against the System. Notice how every stripe of fossil conservative and MGN (great term by the way, I'm stealing it from now on) advocates doing EVERYTHING BUT direct action. When someone like Breivik, Tarrant and other saints do their thing and the effects in the aftermath are clear beyond a doubt no matter how much media spin is invested in the matter, both conservatives and MGN find themselves in the unenviable position of praising the saints for their deeds and risking federal attention, or cucking out (be it by silence or by condemning the saint's actions) and revealing themselves as the hypocrites, cowards, and political prostitutes they are. Not one of those cockroaches will risk upending the donation gravy train much less going to jail, and therein lies the evidence of their vile nature, because these vultures are false saviors, they peddle false hope to desperate and anguished White people only to exploit them, lead them astray, and abandon them when the going gets tough, all while their nations and peoples are bleeding to death. On top of the obvious targets for direct actions, I'd say decapitation strikes against these snake oil salesmen and fake leaders are in order, so we can consolidate and monopolize oppositional discourse to ZOG without the clutter of movementarian cunts muddling the waters and poaching recruitable young White men from us. Besides, Spic Fuentes and Mr. Implicit are irritating beyond belief, I'd be glad to live in a world where I never have to put up with their and their ilk's grating, meandering bleating.

>>15753
>Notice how every stripe of fossil conservative and MGN (great term by the way, I'm stealing it from now on) advocates doing EVERYTHING BUT direct action. When someone like Breivik, Tarrant and other saints do their thing and the effects in the aftermath are clear beyond a doubt no matter how much media spin is invested in the matter, both conservatives and MGN find themselves in the unenviable position of praising the saints for their deeds and risking federal attention, or cucking out (be it by silence or by condemning the saint's actions) and revealing themselves as the hypocrites, cowards, and political prostitutes they are.
FF already addressed this, which is why I do not view them as a honeypot (they even tell you to only view the site or post there under the assumption it will be inevitably hacked and user info leaked in the future): the answer was to say that the saints are viewed as an inevitable force of nature in a fundamentally fucked up mentally-ill contemporary society while recognizing that negative discussion of them is inevitably seen as weakness / derad attempts (both true). The answer is to praise people who actually do things (such as Bob Matthews, who is an obvious case of a completely sane and moral man who did something that 99.9% of humanity will recognize as a technically terrorist act). Praise them, but do not formally encourage, in other words. WLP praised Matthews himself, despite viewing Matthews as extremist himself even by his own standards. This is what should be the rule across the board. FF's collective writings and literature is invaluable on solving these questions, even if the public-facing community is quite shit on the day to day.

>>15754
That leaves a sour taste in my mouth, it's a, for lack of a more elegant term, cucked way of thinking. Commies, goat fuckers, zionists, they all praise their extremists and butchers and shout down any criticism of them. We're the only ones who wring our hands and post disclaimers like frightened old women. We're never going to get anywhere if we're this timid and scared of looking like meanies.

>>15756
I'm not aware of any part of my post saying to not praise them. In fact, I said to praise them.
>Praise them, but do not formally encourage, in other words. WLP praised Matthews himself, despite viewing Matthews as extremist himself even by his own standards.

>>15754
Don't thank me for the term, It's in Siege, one of the reasons I recommend everyone to read it. it took him over a decade to write all those newsletters and he formed a critique of the movement that remains accurate even now. the Satanist/O9A/ToB bullshit it's associated with was(since The American Futurist so kindly revealed ToB's leader/founder is a federal informant as was the O9A founder for Mi5/6) I believe a government oop to turn people away from the sound advice within the book as it started to spread on the internet last decade thanks to Iron March and I'm sure in so small way to 4chan and 8chan, etc.. I don't know if Mason coined it or not, but I do know it is the most accurate descriptor of how every nationalist group I've ever come across does things, even the ones that are more tolerable for our side than posers like Patriot Front.
>>15757
I believe he was talking about what you were describing that the MGN's do, not about what you said or thought about it

>>15761
>I believe he was talking about what you were describing that the MGN's do, not about what you said or thought about it
Aren't MGN's a tool of the enemy to begin with, according to Mason (and your) use of the word? Why would we care about what they do? And how would we even impact well-manufactured and funded pseudo-groups of the enemy spawned from intelligence agencies anyways?

'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.

>>15762
>Aren't MGN's a tool of the enemy to begin with, according to Mason (and your) use of the word?
Yes and no, they may not have begun that way, but seemingly without fail they go that way.
>Why would we care about what they do?
I simply express that I believed he was expressing sorrow as to how the MGN's behave, I can say nothing beyond that, I certainly don't give a fuck until they bring their baggage and failed bullshit here.
> And how would we even impact well-manufactured and funded pseudo-groups of the enemy spawned from intelligence agencies anyways?
Beyond killing them? very few ways and most of them people are already doing.

>>15762
>'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.
Yeah, this is true. Going on the defensive is a loser's strategy. If we have to constantly put out disclaimers and praise with asterisks and whatnot we're gonna end up looking like a bunch of wimps afraid of being called names.

Here's the thing about optics. The only optics that matter are the optics of strength, everything else is womanly gossip and worrying about such things is idiotic. The main (perhaps only) reason ZOG's paid mouths keep mocking us, calling us incels, losers, closet faggots, hypocritical race mixers, sexually impotent dorks envious of "the African Bvlls's potency" or what have you and whatever other vile trash is because they're confident we won't retaliate. The only reason they keep slinging mud on us as psychotic murderers engaging in senseless carnage and murdering sixty gorillion innocent Jewish babies and toddlers of color (while running pity party narratives for tranny psychopaths that literally murdered children) is because they're confident we'll shrink in fear and immediately run to the mic to debunk this malicious narrative because we're good little boys and would never do any mean stuff. If we routinely kill journalists, streamers, and other media vermin who brazenly laugh at us and mock us, that will dry up pretty fast (because they're worthless cowards afraid of suffering consequences for their actions.) If we hold onto our nerve and remain silent when news of a false flag start circulating instead of immediately pissing our pants and bawling that we'd never ever do such a thing (nobody's listening) then those attacks also lose power. Kill media vermin anyway, the spew of propaganda filth will trickle to nothing and the only propaganda that will remain is the propaganda of the deed, the only one that matters decisively.

>>15738
>You can't organize on the basis of "whiteness" because it's implicitly Anglo and the American population is mostly off-whites / nons. White nationalism unironically looks like Kike Pence and his army of Zionist Jews desperately trying to shore up WASP power against the masses of low-IQ slaves the WASPs themselves imported. White nationalism is deporting Palestinian protesters but allowing subhuman Muslim niggers to run around raping Irish girls in the working class neighborhoods. Because the Muslim niggers are the only ones desperate enough to work for the slave wages the self-appointed Calvinist elect WASPs are willing to pay. The whole country is rotten to the core. I hope Iran and Russia win
*yawn*
White Nationalism is legitimate. It just needs good representatives and better leaders. But all we get is Fuentes and Lowe in the anglo world, and other bits of worse shit in other parts like Asstraila and Yurop. I don't have a hundredth of their presumably well entrenched network, nor even their social or oratory skills.

>>15746
>the fact that it was modified and straw-manned should tell you about the truth of the claim
But the anon replying to it, perhaps you then, didn't object to this alteration, so it seemed to be accepted and reflect the anon's true position, as condensed from all his former exchanges.
>And instead of I don't know actually putting in the effort to learn why men like Pierce and Rockwell and Lane and so on were National Socialists and not "White Nationalists"
This is only true for Rockwell. Pierce definitely evolved the formula and I never saw one line from Lane rebuking White Nationalism while he regretted very briefly that the former nationalisms were still too tainted by territorial and cultural grudges.
>If you seriously think these fucking subversives who exist mostly to suppress National Socialists, and thus true revolutionary thought and action, are worth something, you might be more deluded than they are.
I told you what I think of them. They act like they're extreme and edgy but the core of their spirit isn't that politically and morally sharp.
>They can't even manage to do that now, what makes you think more than even 1 in 1000 of them is even recoverable, let alone made into any kind of fighting force.
They need to be recycled into something greater and better.
>I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan
There's a lot that could be said of this defunct place and we always go back to the issue of the quality of those in charge. A chan is also highly dependant on its moderators because of the anonymous nature of posters and how bans can't really work, while bots can't be kept away by a combination of PoW and captchas.
>If there was, they're probably spent by now, either as soldiers or mercenaries considering Volodymyr Zelensky isn't dead and replaced with an NS leader, or at least Military.
If you imply that there were true NS cells there, I have to disagree. Not when your leaders are Jewish.
>survive the systems implosion
So you're betting on a collapse?

>>15746
>I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan, when it went down, off the board to keep it how it always has been, the threads are still there. 
As a heads-up, on the topic of FC, you're probably going to have to be fighting off rapefugees from kiwifarms and OC both over the next two weeks. OC was the purported successor of FC, but the owner apparently got compromised and they did a recent hard shift to full-bore 'libertarianism' out of the blue after being third positionist for a year and a half since it started. I've been seeing hemmorraged posters drifting here on different boards already from there.

>>15746
>It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended,
That is not the way to go. It's like not paying attention to National Socialism because Germany was defeated so that much prove something! *wink wink*
The failure or progressive corruption doesn't reduce the value of the good portions of the positions and acts of these groups.
>He has literal, direct ties to Mossad, and he seems to be a jew himself. in fact, one of his known besties/employees at his retarded journalism outlet is the former Israeli Defense Forces "Defender Of Australia™" Avi Yemeni.
The question implied good ties. It was rhetorical. Of course Golemson is an asset. He even had a rabbi next to him in a parade many years ago.
>I find it highly unlikely that America would have gotten involved, or that that would have happened, but sure it's possible.
It would be easy I think. Use the Irish population in the US to claim they're brewing grounds for hyper-nationalist infiltrators, roll out the usual false flag, bomb some UK embassy on US soil, etc. UK would be doing the same and call for help against the potato-nadzees.
>It isn't stupid, it's a daycare, it'll have kids from babies on up to 10 or so, and you'll note it's been done before, OKC ring a bell?
We are talking about children being targeted here, so what does the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995 have anything to with that?
I will simply not bomb to ashes a place full of White children just because there are nigglets in there too. That's the most stupid thing to do and the surest way to rob us from support from our own very side.
>Just because they might be innocent doesn't mean you waste your time, and risk the freedom and lives of actually active and useful men saving them especially if you're going to return them to their likely leftist parents afterward, it makes no sense tactically, ideologically, or in any other way to do so, and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
That you don't know. The White kids, we can take care of them later. They're malleable. They are children so they're a far away from ever becoming an issue anyway. What you can do is force the White parents to pull their children out of this place, whether they like it or not, by threatening and eventually using low intensity attacks on the building that don't risk the lives of the kids, while publicly casting a clear message, that this only happens because of the co-existence of Whites and non-Whites in that place and that the White children must be taken elsewhere immediately. At the very least warn them. The parents may be dumb but some of them will probably be the kind to need a strong push to feel morally right in their heads to do what's morally wrong according to the national rules and medias. Besides many are hypocrites, the "I'm not racist but" kind that would rather put their children in White schools only.
Anyway, bombing daycare buildings full of children is waaaay down the list of priorities, especially if, to reuse your argument, our resources would be limited, as they would be better used on far more important targets. You do sound like either one big glownigger or some extremo LARPer, I don't know, but what I know is that if the lives of White children could easily be spared yet I'd find your pushing for those acts of wanton destruction at the cost of their lives in my group, I'd make sure you'd meet your maker and have you feed worms in some forest.
>No it says to preserve it and guide it top the best way it survives if losing our races, "sanity" (whatever in the fuck that is beyond a tool to suppress and oppress us) is the cost to survive and thrive even that must go.
No. There is no point becoming a caricature of our people. Jews would be all too happy to have us exterminate our own as an acceptable toll.
>It is absolutely necessary, and must be done to the last shitskin on the planet or this will happen again.
OK Mr Ethnoglobe, there are certainly many ways to do that which will be talked about much later on, when we will have hopefully regained full control of our destiny and power, but we're a long way from it.
>It should be done in all cases, without fail, they already mercilessly and unceremoniously murder our peoples children, it is illogical and idiotic not to do the same.
As said, they're tertiary targets and, worse, if there are White children in those places, then other methods will have to be used. Sorry.
>No it's only stuck on his part, named organizations can do nothing but fail or become tools of the enemy, we have seen this demonstrated repeatedly over the last 81 years, The only moderately successful groups after Rockwell's death were the National Alliance, and the Silent Brotherhood, and had the Brotherhood not trusted CI niggers, they might have avoided the feds, and what happened to Mathews.
Could you actually care being coherent? National Alliance was an open and legal organization. It's the highest any pro-White radical organization ever went in the US while keeping its hands clean, but a lack of plan B made sure that the departure of Pierce was the end of it.
As for the Br.Sch., if they had not relied on CI people they would have not existed at all. They're only a relevant example insofar as their honor, resolve and bravery remains unmatched, and Matthews' final showdown against fed pigs is pure stuff of legend, but their methods truly were catastrophic, their talent being utterly wasted. A wrong reading of the political situation of their time is what screwed them. Don't get me wrong, I really dig them, but their plan was senseless when they should have instead been playing the long game, no matter how grating it would have been on their nerves.
>No that's you straw-manning shit, the point of Siege is that at the time they were written you had plenty of people in groups/gangs that were mostly for defense of their communities from groups like the Black Panthers, such as Metzger's groups under WAR and Tomassi's group, and so on, who had actual NS leading them, one model was to be like the Manson Family in structure, but with the guide being Hitler. Mein Kampf, etc. Outside the system, like roving bands taking what you need wherever you can, this was unlikely so there were several other models provided within the compiled newsletters.
Sure, priceless coming from the guy who says in the same post:
>It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended
You're saying that when the conditions were better to have those groups form, the mass blossoming didn't really happen and in the end the few that existed went belly up. Why should we pay any attention to them according to your logic then?
>A prime example is AWD who failed utterly because they first, named themselves
All groups name themselves. What kind of silly logic is it that you lose the moment you have a name? Please be serious.
>Siege marines and stuff
Look, even with all that, all the resources, the remnants from other groups or organizations, with supposedly one big book to use as a point of reference, a light in the darkness, it failed. You can't cut it. You need an organization that defines objectives and limits. The good news? We have nearly all that we could ever need now, short of the concrete resources and the network. Everything else? It's all refined. We have all the examples we need, all the evidence, all the potential that stretches across an entire globe, ocean to ocean. We have the doctrine, the clarity of a vision that covers all from race to science and theology. We know the failures of those who came first, we see where they succeeded.
> the Turner diaries being completely unnecessary, because I don't think Pierce put much effort into it.
They are useful to start a discussion on what seemed likely and doable and what would obviously fail.
>I understand that perfectly, that's part of why Siege is correct in what we must do, in order to survive and destroy the system we need to deny part of our nature, that base need to belong to something bigger. Being technical, it provides that with being a National Socialist, if that isn't enough for you, you need to reevaluate. That need is how our enemies have manipulated us, and are even now using it against us to kill US before they do more than pester the lemmings of our race
All groups, even paramilitaries, operate as organizations which you join and fit in. It may suck but that's the way it goes with humans. Eventually if it prevails it may give an idea or two to people who feel like starting their micro-cells on their own, but at least the model will be defined by a recognizable organization with clear tenets and a vision, so the cells still have a feeling of belonging to a greater whole where the actions of the few, no matter how isolated they feel, combine more efficiently into a greater work at a larger scale. It will draw people in and be an inspiration for all, even more when people will speak of these prowesses. It will not only prove that it can be done but that the real racial war has begun. But for now we're reaching the critical mass. Everyone can feel it, Jews know it, we're getting there. The pressure is increasing, so the Jews, stupid as they are, can only hope to contain it by increasing the constraints. But it will blow up like a super-volcano, blasting everything in its way, spewing thick torrents of intense burning hatred that nothing under their waning power will be able to contain. Soon the age of the Jews will be over as we will make sure it never gets a chance to show up ever again.
>I guarantee you whole cells already exist, the only matter is finding them and organizing them once the system is broken beyond repair
Wishful thinking. You don't know that and I have no interest in made up inactive groups. You even admit that they need to be organized, which won't be done without the network and authority I speak of, otherwise they would already be active and causing much trouble. They're either too few, too feeble, too misinformed or under-equipped to do anything right now.
The System might look like it's about to trip over itself but it's still very powerful and vicious and it will easily crush those very few isolated groups that can only count on themselves and their very limited area of influence. For example they couldn't benefit from assets sent to them from another state, they couldn't benefit from a lawyer to protect whoever might get caught, they can't have access to people of a network to give them some training or better intelligence information, they cannot even be easily relocated into other distant territorial placeholders that the network would keep open to preserve essential members and avoid them being caught, because of mistakes and a routine they'd become victims of by operating the same way in the same place.
>I couldn't know even if I wanted to, if someone is following what's inside Siege, they would never tell anyone they couldn't trust absolutely.
You would have definitely heard of their operations on TV by now.
>IT should be, but MGN fucks refuse to consider it, and suppress all revolutionary action within their reach because they're too dumb to read it or understand it if they did, and they're ultimately cowards and also the fact idiots turned it into memes. which sure got some of the ideas out there, but bastardized nearly everything there is about it. The best infographics were made by Iron March, and I don't even think that should have been done either, because in eschewing detail you lose the essence of things. You allow morons to take what's ours, bastardize it further, and then spread their idiocy even further.
Which is the proof that the work needs to be done anew, according to the decisions of a would-be council of people who are serious about it. I think that right now we are in the age of the synthesis. Just like we're about to establish an underground yet official church of some kind that purports to cover all the angles.

>>15775
Tbf I thought that OC was really a piss poor version of FC. At least FC seemed to have a plan, with boards, a library, and a damn good layout at that. OC felt like we rewinded everything back and barely looked any better than the lamest active version of 8.

>>15762
>'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.
Zionism is simply the one most well founded international power in the entire West.
Do you even know what Z stands for in ZOG?

>>15754
>FF already addressed this, which is why I do not view them as a honeypot (they even tell you to only view the site or post there under the assumption it will be inevitably hacked and user info leaked in the future): the answer was to say that the saints are viewed as an inevitable force of nature in a fundamentally fucked up mentally-ill contemporary society while recognizing that negative discussion of them is inevitably seen as weakness / derad attempts (both true). 
No, that's not true. They were dupes used by a radicalizing network needing them to furnish the Jewish agenda with convenient excuses.
>The answer is to praise people who actually do things (such as Bob Matthews, who is an obvious case of a completely sane and moral man who did something that 99.9% of humanity will recognize as a technically terrorist act).
His heroism was noble. His operation was pointless and pure suicide. But at least his message and convictions were absolutely clear and without taint of manipulation, on point and full of truth. We couldn't say the same about those "saints" at all.

>>15753
The Zionist saint shilling, as strong as ever. Always the same false dilemma: do some stupid action or don't do anything. Aren't you ever tired of repeating the same script? Are you feds already hitting the bottom of your reserves of autists to groom into shooters now?

>>15778
That's why purported was used, you silly goose.
>>15779
That's exactly the context and meaning of that sentence, you silly goose.
>>15780
Saying 'nuh-uh' doesn't change what FF and IM arrived at the conclusion of, after heavy debate over the matter with how to publically respond, you silly goose.
>His heroism was noble. His operation was pointless and pure suicide. But at least his message and convictions were absolutely clear and without taint of manipulation, on point and full of truth. We couldn't say the same about those "saints" at all.
Irrelevant, as already stated and shown why.
>>15781
Killing is based. I can give you the address for the top ultra-secret headquarters for us omega WASP terrorists if you want, plus times and names.

>>15784
>That's why purported was used, you silly goose.
Does that make my point wrong? No.
>That's exactly the context and meaning of that sentence, you silly goose.
Use proper punctuation next time.
>point on Matthews
>Irrelevant, as already stated and shown why.
No it is not irrelevant and you never explained why it's irrelevant. At best a moron associated his name to Brenton "I won't name the Jews" Tarrant and Zionist Breivik back in 2022 of the first iteration of that thread.
>Killing is based. 
When done with intelligence. If right now you pick a rifle and go shoot some road cops and kill two of them and wound a third one, what will be thy great accomplishment?

>>15772
>But the anon replying to it, perhaps you then, didn't object to this alteration
Because it was ridiculous, and smacked not only of strawmanning but literal twisting of my point in the opposite direction.
>This is only true for Rockwell.
No, it's true for all three, Pierce never failed to make sure that people knew he was a National Socialist, and Lane said much the same in many of his writings besides the 88 precepts directly calls for one to hold people who take action for our race in the highest esteem, he would spit in the faces of everyone who said anything negative about Brevik, Tarrant et al.
>I told you what I think of them.
>They need to be recycled into something greater and better.
They are not worth spending the time to recycle.
>There's a lot that could be said of this defunct place and we always go back to the issue of the quality of those in charge.
This place is no less active That /fascist/ has been in any of it's prior iterations.
>If you imply that there were true NS cells there, I have to disagree. Not when your leaders are Jewish.
I think there were, not many, certainly not enough to prevent eitherRussia or the West from interfering in their elections and I seriously doubt they still exist after all the conscription and death on both sides.
>So you're betting on a collapse?
I am stating that a collapse must happen for us to do what needs to be done, it is inevitable, and i don't really care if you like what will happen during a collapse or not, this is what Hitler said we must do if the system cannot be overcome in any other way, and every other way has been made impossible by the system.

>>15786
<Use proper punctuation next time.
Kek. You've three times outed yourself as an ESL. No errors were made with grammar, but I immediately caught your mistakes.

>>15777
>That is not the way to go. 
Hitler opposed the whole world and lost, the entire system awakened and did everything it could and succeeded in breaking Hitler's Germany that points in the opposite direction of my point about Meat Grinder Nationalists. These organizations take all the righteous rage, indignation, and fervor, and points it away from things that further our cause, and put them in to useless political advocacy, marches, vandalism that does nothing, and things that outwardly claim to oppose the system while being either completely unhelpful, or actively detrimental.

>The question implied good ties
Of course we won't see anything good from our perspective.

>It would be easy I think. Use the Irish population in the US to claim they're brewing grounds for hyper-nationalist infiltrators
In the 1960's and 70's when most of this shit was happening unlikely, America was more directly opposing russia and we had an active IRA supporting Irish mob in several places in the country at that time as well.

>We are talking about children being targeted here, so what does the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995 have anything to with that?
There were white children in the FBI Daycare in that federal building, should McVeigh have stopped walked in the front door and stolen those white babies only to set it off after leaving?
don't bother answering,

>I will simply not bomb to ashes a place full of White children just because there are nigglets in there too. 
Then you really don't support our cause, or punishing these idiots who are abusing their own children by putting them in a cage with niglets.

>that you don't know. The White kids, we can take care of them later. They're malleable. 
I do know, there are countless stories of revenge and infiltration told throughout history, lessons learned by many figures as to why you kill your enemies children too. Sometimes even one who was a baby and too young learns the truth and turns against you, I learned this truth from history, so should you.

>They are children so they're a far away from ever becoming an issue anyway. What you can do is force the White parents to pull their children out of this place, whether they like it or not, by threatening and eventually using low intensity attacks on the building that don't risk the lives of the kids, while publicly casting a clear message, that this only happens because of the co-existence of Whites and non-Whites in that place and that the White children must be taken elsewhere immediately.
So instead of carrying out the attack to teach the lesson through terror, which is more effective. You'd rather waste more resources, and put more information in our enemies hands by exposing the operation to people who aren't on our side, to what? prove to our enemies that you're an idiot?
What you just said to do flies in the face of all operational security, all good sense on a battlefield and directly exposes not just one person but an entire organization or group, in your imagination, to risk, to save what, in the original hypothetical would have been 10 to 15% of the children, in a supposed majority non-White daycare?

>At the very least warn them. The parents may be dumb but some of them will probably be the kind to need a strong push to feel morally right in their heads to do what's morally wrong according to the national rules and medias.
Yes go ahead tell your enemies what you're going to do beforehand to spare a few, potentially at the cost of you being successful in the attack, and at your almost guaranteed being caught because you warned people.

>Anyway, bombing daycare buildings full of children is waaaay down the list of priorities, especially if, to reuse your argument, our resources would be limited, as they would be better used on far more important targets. 
I never stated it was important to do or high on the list of priorities, the challenge was that we are, so what would we do in the situation, not to explain why we are targeting, that specific target, it being a daycare at all came directly from the resident derad, I only ever stated that I would not spare the children of traitors or enemies.

>No. There is no point becoming a caricature of our people. Jews would be all too happy to have us exterminate our own as an acceptable toll.
And what in your view is a caricature oof our people because when I speak of our people I am speaking of Aryans, not simply Whites, especially when we are already a caricature of the Aryan Race, infected so deeply with this pointless slave morality.

>OK Mr Ethnoglobe, there are certainly many ways to do that which will be talked about much later on, when we will have hopefully regained full control of our destiny and power, but we're a long way from it.
No it needs to be known and set as the goal now, otherwise weak-minded fools will win out and our enemies shall be spared. even if the goal takes centuries to do, which it won't, if Genghis khan could kill 9 million in the Muslim lands alone, which is the reasonable figure from the histories, with his army and much lesser technology, I think it could easily be done by us now with modern technology in a much shorter time than you presume. 

>As said, they're tertiary targets and, worse, if there are White children in those places, then other methods will have to be used. Sorry.
Tertiary or not, we don't have to spare people who by your presumption would already be aware that we exist and knowing such are more than likely opposing us as their children are in a daycare with shitskins, it's like you simply object to the fact of killing Whites if we have another option, even if that option could very well cause our imprisonment or death.

>Could you actually care being coherent? National Alliance was an open and legal organization. It's the highest any pro-White radical organization ever went in the US while keeping its hands clean, but a lack of plan B made sure that the departure of Pierce was the end of it.
Where's the incoherence both NA and Rockwell's Org and Lane preceded the publication Siege, in newsletter form or otherwise, and I never heard Pierce say anything about Siege myself in fact If i recall he aided in publishing some of the originals of it.

>As for the Br.Sch., if they had not relied on CI people they would have not existed at all. 
That's untrue, most of the members were "Pagan", Lane, chief among them, and Bob Mathews never openly stated what he believed, it was a CI church leader who turned them into the feds and literally handed over stolen bank funds to the feds and the CI did this only after the Silent Brotherhood murdered a jew.

>playing the long game
Oh, I see you're one of those idiots who think we have the\ time to infiltrate the jews as they did us my apologies, you should be executed for idiocy.

>Sure, priceless coming from the guy who says in the same post:
So describing things that were happening around the publication of Siege in it's original newsletter form, before it was ever a compiled book, somehow makes me incoherent, I don't think I stated anything about those organizations being successful, merely stating what there was to make use of at the time(which is also stated in the book).

>You're saying that when the conditions were better to have those groups form, the mass blossoming didn't really happen and in the end the few that existed went belly up. Why should we pay any attention to them according to your logic then?
Where did I say to model yourself after them? or do anything but acknowledge that they existed and had NS who knew Mason, at the time Mason was writing Siege?

>All groups name themselves. What kind of silly logic is it that you lose the moment you have a name? Please be serious.
We already have the label National Socialist, we need no other, and feel free to name your own group, but keep it between you and the members only, never let it go public, and I would say don't let stupid people join but since you're already established as stupid that's out the bag.

>Look, even with all that, all the resources, the remnants from other groups or organizations, with supposedly one big book to use as a point of reference, a light in the darkness, it failed. You can't cut it.
<hey man this book has really solid advice in it and would help us not get caught and infiltrated
>Ignore it, i heard about it, it encourages violence and we don't need to make things worse for our people.
<except that's exactly what we have to do brother we have to make the system break we can't win so long as it's strong and providing comfort and safety
>go away seejetard! I won't read your filthy book! *secretly plots to ostracize the pinktext brother*
the green is you, the pink is a reasonable brother to the cause

>The good news? We have nearly all that we could ever need now, short of the concrete resources and the network. Everything else? It's all refined. We have all the examples we need, all the evidence, all the potential that stretches across an entire globe, ocean to ocean. We have the doctrine, the clarity of a vision that covers all from race to science and theology. We know the failures of those who came first, we see where they succeeded.
We don't have any of that, the very fact that you would hesitate and weasel around killing white kids in a majority non-white daycare when we supposedly have all of that shows that not only are you a moron but that we don't have all of that even remotely!

>They are useful to start a discussion on what seemed likely and doable and what would obviously fail.
The only useful story within is the story of what happened to the libertarian infiltrator who said exactly what you are saying. everything else is fantasy and not terribly useful fantasy.

>All groups, even paramilitaries, operate as organizations which you join and fit in.
You didn't even listen to anything I said. you from a cell in your local community you devote yourselves to National Socialism and learning everything about it so that ideologically you are sound, you take actions anonymously so that no trail leads to you, that is everything you need to do, if you wish to be part of something bigger than what you are overcome that desire, for overcoming that desire is Aryan unto itself, The ancient tribesmen who founded the empires we glorify today were small groups of men who conquered and enslaved and kept doing so they didn't need to be part of something bigger they took action to forge something bigger and killed even Whites in droves to do it.

>Wishful thinking. 
The book exists and operating any of the ways described within would not lend to being discovered easily, and does not lend to accolades for taking action, the action is done for the purpose of destroying the system not to be lauded for doing so, so whether you think it's wishful thinking or not doesn't matter.

>You would have definitely heard of their operations on TV by now.
<everyone is like me they all want to see their deeds on TV
Most crime doesn't get televised, and if you follow the advice in Siege, you want to avoid that the point is to chip away at it not make huge declarative statements that's for people like Tarrant and Breivik, and Roof, who could not contain their rage or had a lesson to teach the "movement" at large
Do you not realize how stupid you sound?

>Which is the proof that the work needs to be done anew, according to the decisions of a would-be council of people who are serious about it. I think that right now we are in the age of the synthesis. Just like we're about to establish an underground yet official church of some kind that purports to cover all the angles.
This sounds like commie-speak, Is this not commie-speak?

>>15775
What was OC, I have never heard of it, and I can find no reference to it anywhere, don't use a link just the name or you could get auto-banned by the Auto-mod

>>15801
think OC means ourchan

>>15775
Is kiwifarms dying again?

>>15802
>>15803
Yes, to both. I can provide screenshots and archives of both for anyone who cares (but I figured it unlikely except as a warning), although Kiwi's may be a bluff from Josh for scrounging up funds from users.

>>15775
Ourchan is really very inactive now, there can't be more than like 6 people who would come and shit this place up, I was from OC originally from around 8 months ago now, just liked and read /fascist for about 4 months before posting.

All this to say I think it's a nothing-burger, already too dead.

>>15794
>>15794
>>Use proper punctuation next time.
>No errors were made with grammar
>can't even understand the difference between punctuation and grammar
Read a thing or two about linguistics anon.

>>15808
There was nothing wrong with my punctuation and grammar. No mistakes were made. You made a total of five (5) mistakes which only an ESL would make, by contrast. I will name two, as I have zero interest in educating a shitskin dalit. The personal pleasure of knowing the other three (3) will gnaw at you is too great to pass up besides.

Your lack of reading comprehension failed to immediately identify that the context (and correct meaning) of the ZOG-related sentence  was in reference to ZOG and its useful idiots not having any well-funded fake caricatures of its organizations, public-facing false representation in media, and so on. There's no 24/7 hour movies, media, reports, and so on being made or displayed that Bibi is a brazen homosexual pederast who has three testicles plus African heritage for example. National Socialists, ethno-nationalists, and anti-ZOG elements, by contrast, have had nothing but nonstop open-faced lies, false representations, and infiltrated groups LARPing as National Socialists for almost one hundred years by people with big pockets. That was the easily-identifiable meaning of the sentence and paragraph, with zero ambiguity, but your ESL nigger shitskin jewish ass tried to sound clever by seizing the direct opposite meaning due to your own poor grasp of English, grammar, and linguistics.

Two, your hasty read-over of purported also let me know this beforehand. This by itself could be a mere accident, but it was by the end of utterly failing to comprehend the ZOG sentence that I knew it. The other three errors you made confirmed by suspicions beyond all doubt, as two of the three others were on the same level of the ZOG sentence which were not explained by a drunk or drug-induced reading of the content.

>>15804
If you wish to post either or both, you can do it in the meta thread, better place for that kind of thing anyway.

>>15809
In fact and in retrospect, your entire sentence makes no sense, even if we could give you that, at best, you tried to be witty and sarcastic. But your post doesn't show any sign of such an attempt so meh. Otherwise, the only acceptable alternative would be that you tried to deride someone else's claim, which is either done with using proper quotation marks or using the green chevron here.
So instead of sperging you may try to make yourself useful and clarify what you actually meant, by being factual and to the point, for starters.

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>>15811
You were wrong, you know you were wrong, and I'm honestly tired at your failed attempt at pretending to not know you fucked up, shitskin.

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>>15812
>u brownoid!
Great rebuttal mate. Your sentence still remains to be clarified though so just tell me if at least you tried being sarcastic or something.

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To bring this thread back to its purpose, here's my unpopular opinion: The ZOG elites are actually right about the great majority of the population, including the White one. The advent of a functional robotic workforce would render 9 out of 10 completely irrelevant and obsolete, they could be culled and nothing of value would be lost. My plan is the same as the zogged elites', the main difference is the kind of world we envision to create once the plan is implemented.

>>15815
I would agree that your position is an unpopular right-wing stance, but is it that unpopular a position for any educated National Socialist, Fascist, or adjacent adherent?

I personally classify adherents into these categories: race realist, (ethno-)nationalist, (ethno-)supremacist, and (ethno-)genocidist / globalist. Respectively, their positions would be: 1) there are different races and their mutual differences must be accounted for, 2) I want to live around people who look (and probably) think like me / have my own space with them / think they're the best for me, 3) I know my race is the best; all others must get out of the way if they interfere, 4) All or almost all other races are completely incompatible on a long enough timeline, it's perfectly acceptable to pre-emptively erase different racial groups completely knowing harsh realities, and achieving world peace / safety for my race both provably require destroying all competition based on objective experience.

One can be the previous categories all at once, while it's easy to see many adherents will reject all the categories above them. While I share your viewpoint, it seems anyone who is a Category 4 would also share it, as it becomes a caveat that you cannot tolerate intolerance within your own racial group right around Category 2. 

In shorter words, a serious NS, fascist, or other related ideological individual has experience and/or a great deal of education on past history and the future, this inevitably teaches them that ethno-nationalism only largely works if isolationism works, and isolationism does not work in a judeo-globalist world with racial enemies that strike from across the globe (jeets and jews) while importing other racial enemies that are a direct threat in proximity (blacks, spics, and others). It follows then that they swiftly find themselves a Category 3 or 4. During their education, they swiftly realize that someone sharing their own genes does not guarantee that the other will also look out for others sharing their own genes; this follows with realizing a subset of them are traitors and actively murderous, requiring them to die. All this to say, I'm not sure if it's that unpopular to say all groups, including one's own, need culling to various degrees during an era as bleak as ours if you've already reached Category 3 or 4.

Unpopular opinion of my own: traditional and patriarchal societies are not a guarantee of a society worth living in. They are not an automatic role model. People discuss the problem with modern women for example, yet jeetland is one of the most anti-feminist and patriarchal countries / cultures in existence. The fact they are jeets ruins even a good thing, proving that a good system is not enough -- and by contrast, ethnic Europeans make even objectively terrible systems somehow alright (democracy, hyper-feminism, most forms of desert religions, and so on).

My unpopular opinion is that any revolutionary should refrain from taking high impact actions at first. Instead of trying to bomb power plants or assassinating politicians, they should start with small scale actions like killing jewish civilians, bottom-rung gang members and sabotaging surveilance cameras. Why, you ask? Because if you get caught killing a kike librarian you're never gonna have the skills required to kill a cop or politician and get away with it. Gotta walk before you run.

Continued from previous thread where anons argue that we need to keep talking about making magical cells rather than doing the things that every successful revolution has done.
Even Orlog agrees with me. If he did not, he wouldn't waste his time on this site. Instead, he'd go make his own cell. He's not and so far, his most important contribution to the White struggle has been monitoring an internet site that facilitates and encourages non-violence. If violence at this stage was the answer, this site is actively suppressing it by providing a non-violent outlet for anons to vent rage. So than you for proving me right, Orlog. Your actions speak louder than your words.

>>15653
>And by what metric were PIRA and Sinn Fein successful as an organization
By comparison to us.
>they were both failures as organizations
They accomplished a hell of a lot more than whining online has for us.

>it has been established that worrying about optics as a strategy is retarde
False. Even the jews need to worry about their optics. 
I proved here  >>15400 and >>15511 why small cells do not work. No recruitment strategy to replenish the withering losses.

Until you address this, I'm just not going to bother responding. Address the problem of military replenishment.

I'll say this though: I know with perfect clarity that you don't do jack shit for the cause. I know that you don't do anything illegal since if you did, posting here would just draw attention to you. Furthermore, I monitor the news for violent political acts and I see absolutely nothing directed at the System in a meaningful way so you're either a complete retard or boasting online.
You don't do jack shit and no one is convinced.

>>15668
>>15665
I respect you as a biologist. I simply do not have confidence that you can do any of this without billions of dollars of equipment.
Elsewise you'd have done it.

Furthermore, even if you could wipe out the jews, we would still need actual political organizations of scale to seize power in the vacuum. Elsewise, we're just trading masters.
It's a good trade. I'd rather be ruled by cuckservative military neo-con zionists than by jews. But we WILL be ruled by cuckservative neocon zionists if we lack the ability to hold a monopoly on violence. That requires organization, something White nationalists are allergic to.

>>15725
>This is not something we could afford
Unfortunately, it is something we must accept. If our organization is so brittle that a single failure will ruin us, then we will be ruined. It's that simple.

>>15731
I do not strawman. If I did, you'd have pointed out specifics. Anon openly stated that he wanted to kill children and also openly admitted that he would assist jews in hunting down White insurgents.
>which was modified sentence
he called White nationalists "weakness"
This was obvious.
All he had to do to prove otherwise was affirm that he would not trigger a civil war while we were engaged in war against ZOG. He refused because he wants to murder White nationalists.
You may prove me wrong at any time by affirming
"No, I will never assassinate White nationalists who are fighting the jews"
It's very simple and anon refuses to do it because he wants to murder White people who disagree with him.

Not that it matters because he's not a serious revolutionary.

>There is no cohesion, no proper leadership.
Yeah, that's literally the point of every post. We need to shape up and get organized or we'll just keep losing. I'm tired of losing.

>>15732
Then I'm a National Socialist
I don't care about labels so much anymore. I care about results. 
Ironically, it is the guy screaming "I DON'T CARE ABOUT OPTICS!!!" who is concerned about optics. He agonizes over meaningless wordisms while I care about results: Can we achieve victory by shooting up daycares? No. Thus, they are off the table.

>>15648
>how the fuck did people turn fascism so gay and helpless?
A good question.
Helplessness is a state where a faction is too organizationally weak to do anything.
By telling you that the only thing you can do to resist the jews is to wait for spontaneously forming cells to defeat the jews, SIEGEtrds are fostering a culture of helplessness.

It's been 40 years now and the people spamming angry posts about forming cells haven't formed even a single one. Not even a single attack against a substation or a nigger church has been done by these imaginary cells.
The anons screaming at me are in their 50s. They're too old to do anything. 
Instead, they want young men to do what they failed to do.
But it's not happening because I know with perfect clarity that if I formed a cell that did illegal acts, we would be the only ones doing anything and the full force of the FBI would hunt us down.
We'd get ZERO support from these cowards. 

The path to victory will take about 30 years. It will involve mostly non-violent actions because the cost of violence is so high that no one will pay it.
As proof, I present to you every SIEGEtard who eschews violence while hypocritically demanding that young men throw our lives away in its pursuit.

You know who also agrees with me? James Mason. He never even did a single thing he advocates.

>>15865
Actually, it'll probably take more like 60 years since we'll need at least 30 years just to build up a viable organization in the first place.

>>15861
>>15863
>>15864
>>15865
>>15867
Ah, damn, I thought we had a serious anon here at this hour until I noticed it was our scheduled 'shooting up daycares' neighborhood derad poster.

>>15820
It's ruined because it's shitskins. It also depends on your criteria of efficiency. To them, it does work. To us, it's filthy, repugnant and defective. The fact remains: the opposite of patriarchy is not egalitarianism but a gynocracy, a feminist hellscape where the weakest, less creative and dumbest element of the species, the woman, has full power over man. Patriarchy isn't even slavery, it's going for a complementary approach and you can have that even with the fabled more balanced Scandinavian model of old.
I can't imagine how living in a White gynocracy could even work as women are always making the worst excuses possible for criminals and migrants, turning criminals into victims. What's the point? Be ruled by misandrist bitches surrounded by cohorts of venal succubi? Good luck with that.

>>15822
Counter: it doesn't take much training or experience to go online to download an innocuous manual with nice drawings and pictures inside and learn how to build bombs from it. You build those contraptions, try the stuff in some isolated place, twice or more, and you proceed to find more chemicals while leaving the lowest amount of fingertips in the process. Don't hesitate to buy small quantities from shops that are two hours away from your own current house. Pay with physical money while you still can. There are so many permutations for this.
Also killing a cop is either useful or not depending on what you seek to achieve, but going after a single cop sounds more like something about revenge. He too has a family life and a home they return to. You need not face him or her during their work hours when they're surrounded, although cops are definitely trained to shoot firearms and have one at home.

>>15861
>Continued from previous thread where anons argue that we need to keep talking about making magical cells rather than doing the things that every successful revolution has done.
Most of that was me, I'm Orlog! Hi, nice to meet you resident derad nigger.
>Even Orlog agrees with me.
No, I don't not even remotely, I even flat out told you that I tried to from a cell, and unfortunately it didn't pan out, but hey that's life and i try to keep my eyes and ears open for useful people to work with, so ultimately, I do whatever it is I may or may not do, alone, and you will never know. 
So don't invoke me as if I would ever agree that we need more Meat Grinder Nationalism, because we don't.

>By comparison to us.
That's not a metric, that is a subjective claim that by design has no comparison to make because We're all anonymous so even if someone was dumb enough to claim anything they did directly to you, it wouldn't fucking matter because you'd have to wait for the feds that I am absolutely certain watch this board, (thanks \Russia for banning us) to both catch them and then publicize their arrest which they aren't likely to do, ever, they only tell anyone anything when the case already hit the news before they got involved, and that's if they even get involved.
>They accomplished a hell of a lot more than whining online has for us.
Oh what concrete accomplishments did the organization which only existed to continue the mission of the IRA in northern Ireland, manage to do for that cause? It's not part of the Republic of Ireland, the border hasn't moved a bit since the IRA decided to let the cause rest because a half-victory is better than no victory(in their eyes) to fix what they had freed of Ireland and to form the Republic. 
It's less Irish than it was before or they wouldn't be having street stabbings/beheadings by shitskin invaders. Invaders whom Sinn Fein has directly advocated for against the Native Irish and by extension all Whites.
All they did that you seem soo proud of is to be harassed a little when they advocated for more Irish say in Irish matters, and looking pretty when they marched for the cause(which is not our cause) despite literally betraying it at every turn.


>False. Even the jews need to worry about their optics. 
Really, they have been committing genocide against the p[alestinians longer than either of us has been alive, and yet it didn't do a fucking thing even with the lefties bitching about it now, I bet that they killed  a few kids in last day or two, and you know who cares? nobody.

>I proved here  >>15400 and >>15511 why small cells do not work. No recruitment strategy to replenish the withering losses.
You proved nothing of the sort and only one part of either of those posts is even remotely relevant to your argument with me
> I will wage a civil war even as Zog still lives, to eliminate (White nationalists I disagree with personally)
I swear it's like you're completely fucking retarded. It is simple, I take an action, whatever that action may be, you claim it's killing every living thing in a daycare, White or not, we'll go with that, you and your ilk hear about it on whatever's left of the kike news, sanitized as it always is, and you hear it was a suspected White Supremacist attack, so you ask around and find that someone in my group opened their mouth when they shouldn't have, and you cry your poor little heart out about how we killed little babies. It doesn't matter why to you, and so you and those like you move to isolate us, and try to have the system take care of us for you, we notice and escape, figure out who had loose lips, slit heir fucking throat and then proceed to track down and kill all of you, because this is what you and your ilk would do, it has been demonstrated may thousands of times over the years. Even just isolating us would be worthy of execution, because you chose not to be a warrior and stuck to worthless poolitical advocacy leaving you still under the systems thumb and dependent on it for your livelihood.
>If cells form spontaneously, you will disagree with 99% of them and thus, you'll need to officially defect to the jews. But you won't even get that far because cells don't form spontaneously. You never did and you're my poster boy for SIEGE fan resistance. You are proof that you will never form a cell and never attack a substation or a kindergarten.
The cells are preformed of NS(you know people who read Siege and MK and so many other books, unlike you) and as such while there could be some disagreements having a copy of Siege and MK on ourselves and maybe a few other things could greatly reduce any room for disagreements, and once we find build or take a place to form a community anything else can be ironed out with ease. Why? because Hitler would have agreed with Mason, especially so about the state of the "movement" from when it was written to now these passages below prove it and there are plenty more things in MK that point directly to Hitler agreeing with Mason.
Mein Kampf
>An existing order isn’t abolished merely by proclaiming and insisting on a new one. It mustn’t be presumed that adherents or beneficiaries of the existing order will be converted and won over to the new movement simply by demonstrating its necessity. On the contrary, it may easily happen that two different situations exist side by side, and that a so-called worldview is transformed into a party, unable to rise above its limitations. A worldview is intolerant and cannot exist as ‘one party among many.’ It imperiously demands its own recognition as unique and exclusive, and also a complete transformation of all public life in accordance with its views. It can never allow the previous condition to continue in existence. The same holds true of religions.
>One may today regret the fact that the advent of Christianity marked the appearance of the first spiritual terror into the much freer ancient world. But the fact cannot be denied that, ever since then, the world has been pervaded and dominated by this kind of coercion, and that violence has been broken only by violence, and terror only by terror. Only then can a new condition be constructively created.
>Christianity was not content with erecting an altar of its own, but rather first had to destroy the pagan altars. It was only from this passionate intolerance that an apodictic faith could take form; intolerance is an indispensable precondition. Political parties are prone to compromises, but worldviews never. Political parties tend to reckon with their opponents, but worldviews proclaim their own infallibility.
^ Chapter 5, "Worldview and Organization".
>These tactics are based on an accurate estimation of human weaknesses; they will lead to success, with almost mathematical certainty, unless the other side also learns how to fight poison gas with poison gas. The weaker natures must be told that this is a case of ‘to be or not to be.’ 
>I also came to understand that physical terror has its significance for both the masses and the individual. Here again the Socialists accurately calculated the psychological effect. Terror in workshops and in factories, in assembly halls and at mass demonstrations, will always meet with success, as long as it does not encounter the same kind of terror in a stronger form.
^ Chapter 2, "Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna".
>The Reds used to pay little attention to those bourgeois organizations where only babblers talked. They recognized their inner triviality and harmlessness better than the members themselves. They were determined to use all means of ridding themselves of a dangerous movement. Their most effective means in such cases have always been terror and brute force.
>In the small circles of our own movement, people showed a certain amount of anxiety at the thought of such a conflict. They wanted to avoid coming out into the open, because they feared being beaten. In their minds, they saw our first public meetings broken up and feared that the movement was ruined forever. I found it difficult to defend my own position: that conflict shouldn’t be avoided but openly confronted, and that we should acquire the arms necessary for protection against violence. Terror cannot be overcome by the mind but only by counter-terror. The success of our first public meeting strengthened my own position. The members felt encouraged to arrange for a second meeting, on an even larger scale.
^ Chapter 12, "The First Period of the Development of the National Socialist German Workers' Party".
>The political work and activities of decent people could therefore always be hindered by desperate gangsters. In the name of law and order, State authority bows down to these gangsters and demands that others shouldn’t provoke them. When National Socialists wanted to hold meetings in certain places and the labor unions declared that their members would resist, the police didn't jail these blackmailers but rather forbade our meeting. Yes, this organ of the law had the unbelievable impudence to inform us of this in writing, on innumerable occasions.
>Another feature had to be considered: All meetings that rely on police protection must necessarily discredit their promoters in the eyes of the broad masses. Meetings that are only possible with the protective assistance of a strong police force convert no one, because in order to win over the lower strata of the people, there must be a visible display of one’s own strength. In the same way that a courageous man will win a woman’s heart more easily than a coward, so a heroic movement will be more successful in winning over the hearts of a people than a weak movement that’s kept alive only by police protection.
^ Chapter 7, "Conflict with the Red Front".

Oh what's that Hitler hated optics cuckery? oh no! that sucks for you.

>Until you address this, I'm just not going to bother responding. Address the problem of military replenishment.
Why would you waste lives fighting in a long drawn out war in which less than a percent of the population would aid us, fuck going by PF numbers less than 0.001% will join the fight, when you can instead break things until you finally break something that makes the cracks already there bigger, that's right, collapse the system, destroy it. America is a cornerstone of pretty much everywhere in the world you can think of, If it can't continue it's military ops and keep the supply chains for that working, a new age of piracy begins on the open seas, And since nobody else, not even the next ten nations combined, has a military worth spitting at, that's where the collapse really begins, because no big boys keeping the pirates away, means it's a fucking free for all.

>I'll say this though: I know with perfect clarity that you don't do jack shit for the cause. I know that you don't do anything illegal since if you did, posting here would just draw attention to you. Furthermore, I monitor the news for violent political acts and I see absolutely nothing directed at the System in a meaningful way so you're either a complete retard or boasting online.
Why would I make it obviously political? Seriously, are you dumb? I could commit a crime without blaring to everyone around me that I hate niggers, poos, jews, spics, etc. What Is done doesn't even have to have any political ties at all, it could be simple case of vandalism, the kind where you break shit, or something that seems completely unrelated to crime. I could do this because my goal isn't political advocacy, it's destruction of the system, once the system is damaged enough, I can then proceed to teach the lessons the worldview wants them to learn through terror.
>You don't do jack shit and no one is convinced.
Believe what you want, just because you're a retard doesn't mean I am.

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Only a well armed group of white men can overthrow the government - Ideology be damned.
It is why white men are punished far more severely, with immediate life sentences without parole when they take actions into their own hands. It is because they and only they can directly threaten the status quo.

>>15891
Excellent takedown, Orlog. Alas, it'll fall on deaf ears for the derad cockroach is not acting in good fatih but it's a good spectacle for anyoen watching, I'm sure many will have their convictions strengthened, or at least their morale.

Anyway, as much as I appreciate your effortpost, I must disagree on the espoused plan to form a single cell and participate in System-disruptive activities until it collapses. I disagree for the simple reason that if the cell is taken out, then it's all for nothing. More men need to be brought into the fold, in order to undertake larger and farther-reaching operations to ensure the final downfall of the System and, more importantly, the takeover by White revolutionaries. Redundancy also contributes to resilience, should a cell be killed or imprisoned.

Obviously I'm not advocating for any public-facing political advocacy under registered names or any of that idiotic, suicidal big tent faggotry. No, what I advocate for is the initial step of forming a cell (each member throughly background checked, probed and vetted before recruitment), then take one or two of the best and brightest and most socially adept, and send them to recruit cells of their own in other communities (e.g. If the organization gets started in Dallas, send a guy to Austin and another to El Paso, and so on) while the initial cell continues local recruitment to fill its now-empty slots and forms further cells in the local community. The leaders sent to other communities likewise form further cells in their local area over time. Like a cancer cell, the organization begins from a single squad of say, six guys, and over time grows a foothold in a wider and wider area without sacrificing compartamentalization or opsec, as cells will communicate only when necessary and then only as much as needed for the fulfillment of their missions.

This is only a rough sketch, I'm simplifying quite a bit of course. Regardless, one big issue I can already spot is that such recruitment would be quite slow, as I'm certain it'd take at least three months to make all the necessary background checks and in-person examinations of character to recruit a new member. At least until there's enough people to establish recruitment protocols and streamline the whole process. Critique and suggestions are welcome.

>>15796
I don't need a full summary of what happened to Germany. I'm exposing your mere lack of consistency and disregard for the positive accomplishments of radical and armed groups just when it doesn't suit your arguments. I do think we would have a lot to learn from both the Sinn Fein, IRA and the PIRA and see when they each respectively caved and under what conditions.
>In the 1960's and 70's when most of this shit was happening unlikely, America was more directly opposing russia and we had an active IRA supporting Irish mob in several places in the country at that time as well.
So having a pro-IRA mob in the country is not the same as having a pro-IRA mob in the country that could be used as evidence of ingerence or worse, manipulated or infiltrated to act as a patsy for some terror attack, despite the fact that the organization had historically been infiltrated and could therefore have bad agents plan deleterious actions on the supposed behalf of the Irish nationalists. You think this would not be possible, despite the US having been ruled by a cabal long before this even happened? We're talking about the same cabal that managed kill the POTUS years prior while having one single bloke taking the blame, hiding the communist aspect of it and even the Israeli involvement in it deeper. The same group that piped up the Gulf of Tonkin false flag incident a year later? You underestimate them in ways I could not believe would be seen on this board.
>There were white children in the FBI Daycare in that federal building, should McVeigh have stopped walked in the front door and stolen those white babies only to set it off after leaving? don't bother answering,
Oh actually I will because it was a false flag using another fool as a patsy. There's more than enough evidence of that on internet if you care to know. But do you even care enough to dig into this or have you added McVey to the roster of saints you fap to every night?
>Then you really don't support our cause, or punishing these idiots who are abusing their own children by putting them in a cage with niglets.
Good then. You will have your methods, I will have mine and I will try to save their lives as often as possible. I hope you wouldn't have the hypocrisy to mourn the deaths of Nowak, Metcalf, Zarutska and many other adults if at the same time you don't care about murdering innocent White children in cold blood.
>I do know, there are countless stories of revenge and infiltration told throughout history, lessons learned by many figures as to why you kill your enemies children too. Sometimes even one who was a baby and too young learns the truth and turns against you, I learned this truth from history, so should you.
And I know adults who openly admitted to their own parents being morons or worse. See, I too have historical facts on my side. I don't even see the point of exterminating the few White children who manage to come to this world when we're facing a demographic crisis and when we're a racial minority in this world. As I say, proper indoctrination will take care of these kids.
>So instead of carrying out the attack to teach the lesson through terror, which is more effective. You'd rather waste more resources, and put more information in our enemies hands by exposing the operation to people who aren't on our side, to what? prove to our enemies that you're an idiot?
This is not what I say. I didn't say that you should call the cops and the federals to warn them about the big grand popper you're planning to deliver to some hospital, in the hope of killing dozens or more. You can use a mix of threats and low intensity attacks while warning them that something greater could happen here or elsewhere. The point is to generate anguish. Mafias do that all the time and only escalate when necessary. The newspapers will take care of the rest. You can also bomb and destroy another type of target so you shall be taken seriously and point out that this could happen to any other type of target with humans near or inside it. Besides, I believe that a constant pressure of smaller but convincing acts is far more efficient, at least until the tanks start rolling out of factories.
>What you just said to do flies in the face of all operational security, all good sense on a battlefield and directly exposes not just one person but an entire organization or group, in your imagination, to risk, to save what, in the original hypothetical would have been 10 to 15% of the children, in a supposed majority non-White daycare?
I'm not sure when daycare centers that host White children became an acceptable target on the battlefield, but maybe you know better than I do. Then again, at the risk of repeating myself, I fail to see how a daycare center would be high priority target during a war fought with limited means. I for one said I'd prefer not to do it and really adjust the relevancy of this kind of act on a case by case basis.
>No it needs to be known and set as the goal now, otherwise weak-minded fools will win out and our enemies shall be spared. even if the goal takes centuries to do, which it won't, if Genghis khan could kill 9 million in the Muslim lands alone, which is the reasonable figure from the histories, with his army and much lesser technology, I think it could easily be done by us now with modern technology in a much shorter time than you presume.
We don't even have a billionth of the resources that would be needed to achieve that. There are far more pressing matters right now to deal with.
>Where's the incoherence both NA and Rockwell's Org and Lane preceded the publication Siege, in newsletter form or otherwise, and I never heard Pierce say anything about Siege myself in fact If i recall he aided in publishing some of the originals of it.
I find you incoherent because it's hard to know if you're for or against public named organizations when you both bash them and hail them. Make up your mind.
>That's untrue, most of the members were "Pagan", Lane, chief among them, and Bob Mathews never openly stated what he believed, it was a CI church leader who turned them into the feds and literally handed over stolen bank funds to the feds and the CI did this only after the Silent Brotherhood murdered a jew.
Assuming the Jew was murdered by them at all and we can safely assume that Lane had nothing to do with it.
They also were betrayed by more that one guy and they had other CI-adjacent and odd British Israelism people in their entire group, some stemming directly from organizations that still explicitly made use of terms which belong to the Biblical lexicon, if only in their names.
>Oh, I see you're one of those idiots who think we have the\ time to infiltrate the jews as they did us my apologies, you should be executed for idiocy.
Who ever talked about infiltrating the Jews? I mean come on, try to pay attention at the very least and avoid twisting my words. Nor did I speak of us having time but them, back in the eighties. Their comprehension of the political reality of their times was bafflingly myopic. Like one single little organization, not even fifty percent of the combined radical White nationalist ones, taking on the whole federal government of the United States. What they needed was to lay the ground work, make sure there had more support in the population while combining all these splinters of organizations under a larger umbrella. All these organizations were starved for cash but the Order lashed out at the government as if they were raiding some entry level dungeon full of treasures and hoped for the best. Instead if they had been building the kind of network we desperately need today we would be in a much better situation for what needs to be done.
>So describing things that were happening around the publication of Siege in it's original newsletter form, before it was ever a compiled book, somehow makes me incoherent
Yes because you say you don't care about looking into the details of the Irish case, which incidentally I find to be more useful than the writings in a book that for the most part seem to have remained theoretical while on the other hand we have concrete cases to look into. I think I'll just wait for PIRAnon to return and furnish us with more details, assuming he can stop rubbing his hands for one minute.
>We already have the label National Socialist, we need no other, and feel free to name your own group, but keep it between you and the members only, never let it go public, and I would say don't let stupid people join but since you're already established as stupid that's out the bag.
You still believe that a large enough organization won't have a name and that it won't seep into the public space one way or another either.
>SIEGE and you acting like a jerk
Pointless and tiring. You're again twisting my words. I didn't say to drop the book. I said it needed a real organization to make the best out of it because right now, nobody seems to give a shit about it.
>We don't have any of that,
Oh so we don't have examples, evidence and tons of White disfranchised people around the whole globe teetering towards more radical positions by the day? We don't have the texts that have said all that needs to be said or have at the very least provided us with a solid foundation of core principles we should follow? We have not the slightest clue of what our goal is? We have no unified vision of race, science and theology yet? We don't have anything about prior failures or limited successes to analyze? Are you living under some gigantic rock per chance?
You should put an end that blackpill diet and move to a more healthy regimen, because if we have none of what I described, then we are truly done and all this bickering is in pure vain.
>You didn't even listen to anything I said. you from a cell in your local community you devote yourselves to National Socialism and learning everything about it so that ideologically you are sound, you take actions anonymously so that no trail leads to you, that is everything you need to do, if you wish to be part of something bigger than what you are overcome that desire, for overcoming that desire is Aryan unto itself
lol wut
No doubt we'll hear about you shooting some random tacos in a shopping mall before the end of the year.
>The ancient tribesmen who founded the empires we glorify today were small groups of men who conquered and enslaved and kept doing so they didn't need to be part of something bigger they took action to forge something bigger and killed even Whites in droves to do it.
You really should reread what you wrote because it's truly confusing. For starters, tribes were larger than a bunch of underground cells. Tribes were not at risk of meeting. They originated from lands they controlled. Tribes became empires thanks to planning and organization. As for the conquest and the forging of something bigger, they did so because they were already large enough, united and organized too. Bonus point: tribes had names. Regardless of you liking it or not, real leaders grow their own organizations as networks and people flock to them because they see power, legitimacy and opportunity in them. The vast majority of people will behave that way.
>the point is to chip away at it 
I'm sure they be chippin' right now. Or perhaps you meant chirping? I don't know.

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>>15891
>That's not a metric, that is a subjective claim that by design has no comparison to make because We're all anonymous so even if someone was dumb enough to claim anything they did directly to you, it wouldn't fucking matter because you'd have to wait for the feds that I am absolutely certain watch this board, (thanks \Russia for banning us) to both catch them and then publicize their arrest which they aren't likely to do, ever, they only tell anyone anything when the case already hit the news before they got involved, and that's if they even get involved.
Reworded for clarity:
>the cells that we don't know anything about but I'm sure exist do things that we never learn about because the government and the medias cover everything and those cells don't even leak any info on internet either because you know it's super secret and even when their members get arrested we're not told anything about it because reasons and super duper secret again
<Are those cells in the room with us right now?
Look, perhaps you really wish these people existed and were real and already active, but all evidence points to the exact opposite of this. There is literally jack shit to speak of. You really greatly underestimate how humans behave like sheep, all of them looking for a super daddy shepherd and a "sign" in the sky. If we want to see these cells sprout spontaneously here and there, someone's gonna have to do sowing first.

>>15891
>The cells are preformed of NS(you know people who read Siege and MK and so many other books, unlike you) and as such while there could be some disagreements having a copy of Siege and MK on ourselves and maybe a few other things could greatly reduce any room for disagreements, and once we find build or take a place to form a community anything else can be ironed out with ease. Why? because Hitler would have agreed with Mason, especially so about the state of the "movement" from when it was written to now these passages below prove it and there are plenty more things in MK that point directly to Hitler agreeing with Mason.
Maybe you've read about a cool story of some ninjaHITLER doing some serious undeground shit and all, but the real Hitler spent his time joining or forming front organizations and was hardly shy about it FYI.

>>15900
>Maybe you've read about a cool story of some ninjaHITLER doing some serious undeground shit and all, but the real Hitler spent his time joining or forming front organizations and was hardly shy about it FYI.
Who gives a shit what Hitler did? We are in an entirely different world. Mirroring the exact techniques from a hundred years ago with no alterations is beyond absurd.

>>15874
Obviously, it's quite easy to buiold a bomb with the right materials and know-how. How easy is it, though, to get away with conducting a bombing? What happens in the months after? That's my point. Please read my post a second time. Escalation is an inevitability since there's lot of enemies to kill and lots of enemy infrastructure to sabotage or destroy, and if a given white revolutionary doesn't have the skills to get away with the small crimes, he will get caught when committing the big ones. 

>Also killing a cop is either useful or not depending on what you seek to achieve
It's gonna come up eventually. There's no getting around it: sooner or later we'll have to start eliminating zogbots, politicians, and other high profile targets. I brought up cops specifically because the killing of a cop is, unless done by the department itself (typically to silence whistleblowers) something that won't get brushed under the carpet, it will be thoroughly investigated and ruthlessly punished when the culprit is caught. Hence, again, the need for a White operative to have the skills and experience to remain uncaught.

>but going after a single cop sounds more like something about revenge.
Killing every member and accomplice of the System is all about revenge. That's still no reason not to go about it intelligently.

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>>15907
>Hitler would have done this and that trust me bro
<reminder of what Hitler actually did
>whO GiVEs a sHit WHaT hiTLeR dID?????????

If there’s a “white” country that deserves the great replacement it would be the United States. I’m sorry, but the US is the only country that protects and reinforce anti-white regimes in Europe and other places in the world and it’s judaized to its core, and i don’t think 95% of the Americans (white or not) are in any way better than their governments, since anti-whiteness is a deeply ingrained in their minds. The GAE most be destroyed to save our race, and if the only way is through mass brown migration then so be it. Sorry ameribros but there must be some sacrifices.

Most of the bogeymen of /pol/, like electronic payment, e-voting, national ID cards, smart cities, high-density housing, public transportation, surveillance, GMOs, reducing meat, etc. are nothing to be afraid of by themselves. All of them could be useful in a state that's ours.

>>16056
<All of them could be useful in a state that's ours.
We have no state that's ours, and almost all states are owned by a ((( genocidal alien species ))) hell-bent on carrying out tikkun olam through all-spectrum warfare.

>>16051
>The GAE
The what?

>>16056
True to some extent, the Jews use all of this for them and against us.
>electronic payment
Your spendings are logged.
The best option comes with certain cryptocurrencies, assuming no algorithm tied to powaquanticus computrons won't become able to de-sew an entire chain's blocks.
>e-voting
Too risky even in proper hands.
>national ID cards
That's a modern invention and is quite useless internally, and the passport makes more sense in a global world with movements and tourism it has its uses.
>smart cities
Fuck that noise. 50s cities or even 17th century ones were fine enough.
>high-density housing
It depends on how it's done. If there are no Aryan aesthetics involves and no room for culture and nature, it's pointless. But some people are obsessed about futuristic skyscrappers.
>public transportation
That's a useful function that covers an entire nation's territory.
>surveillance
Only against the enemies.
>GMOs
Very dangerous, but if done properly it might be used to erase certain genetic dead ends. I suppose you're more on the CRISPR team.
>reducing meat
Most meat is of poor quality so yes. A balanced diet with fresh vegs, eggs, cheese, nuts, fruit, fish and meat is the way to go. All organic. Honey and mead help a lot too.
Exercise and medicinal plants are necessary as a combination to all of that.

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>>15891
>derad
You yourself refuse to engage in terrorism because you know that I am correct and terrorism would achieve nothing.

>, I don't not even remotely,
False. If you disagreed with me, you'd be engaging in terrorism. You don't because you know it would be counter-productive. 
>I tried to from a cell, and unfortunately it didn't pan out
Yeah. I know. 
This is what I have been saying. Forming cells don't happen spontaneously. They come AFTER we organize politically. 
Every single insurgent organization in history organized first, THEN formed cells.
Your deradicalization propaganda seeks to keep us permanently in stage 0.
I wish to get to stage 1, then stage 2, then stage 3, then victory.

>The IRA failed because they didn't achieve all their goals.
Okay. Fine. They failed. Yet they were still able to achieve more than complaining on your anonymous image board. They actually hold political power. We don't.
You treat our struggle as if it is just your pass time rather than a serious goal. We need to do more than bitch about jews online for 40 years. We've accomplished absolutely nothing this way.

Why does this not bother you?
Seriously. I want you to explain to me why you see so unbothered by the fact that we're now a minority or at least close to a minority in our country and you seem totally uninterested in doing anything beyond complaining online. Why? I don't get it.

.You proved nothing of the sort 
No one ever addresses a single logistics argument. 
>>You can't just snap your fingers and simultaneously generate dozens of cells across the country.
You yourself proved this by your heroic attempt to form a cell and its failure.
>> Unless multiple, perhaps dozens of cells all attack at once, the FBI will very quickly focus all of their immense resources on destroying you. 
No one ever addresses this.
>>Let's say that you do somehow manage to get a cell and maybe 2 or 3 magically form without any influence from you. A nigh impossible coincidence. Okay, now what?
No one ever addresses this. You just assume that your 3 tiny cells can blow up sub-stations and take down the country.
The ONLY person with even a half way realistic idea is bio-weapons anon. That would at least eliminate jews. But this plan is only moderately more realistic than praying to Jesus to eliminate jews. We lack the means to make bio-weapons. If we didn't, why haven't we done it?
How much longer do you want us to wait for bio-weapons?
10 years?
30 years?
200 years?
if we can make bio-weapons with zero dollars, what is stopping jews from making bio-weapons with 10,000,000,000,000 dollars and unlimited resources?

On and on and on, you never address any of the realistic problems I point out with your plan.
And the reason why is that you just aren't actually interested in revolution. I think about revolution on a much deeper level than you because I want to figure out the logistics of how we achieve it.
All you want to do is posture.

>once we find build or take a place to form a community
Orlog... That is literally what I keep telling you. Build an offline community. That's political organization.

>Hitler would agree
Hitler built a political organization. Hell, I'm far more radical than he was because I believe that only violent revolution can overthrow ZOG. He achieved his goals with minimal violence. But he certainly would agree with  me that you need to form a political organization in the real world before forming cells. Even his attempt to militarily overthrow the government was preceded by years of actual, IRL, real life, in the real world, organization. He did more than talk about forming cells online. He went into the real world, gathered together thousands of men, jumped the shark a bit, then focused on electoral politics. 
I don't believe we can win that way but he still had the right idea.

>Why would you waste lives fighting in a long drawn out war in which less than a percent of the population would aid us
What other option is there? A fast war? I am all ears. I'd love that. Please, enlighten me. No one has yet proposed a method of attaining our victory fast apart from praying to jesus and bio-weapons.

> I could commit a crime without blaring to everyone around me that I hate
Yeah but you don't tho. 
If you were killing niggers and blaming Chinese, I don't think you'd be stupid enough to hint about it online. 
But even if you were that dumb, how many niggers are you going to kill?
5?
10?
100?
You'd eventually get caught and even if you didn't, it would be national news and what would it accomplish?
100 fewer niggers in Atlanta. Great job. 2 million Mexicans just immigrated this year, I assume. 

Small scale terrorism does NOT WORK.
It has to be on a national scale, conducted by hundreds of cells all working in lock step.

>>15896
>More men need to be brought into the fold, in order to undertake larger and farther-reaching operations to ensure the final downfall of the System and, more importantly, the takeover by White revolutionaries. Redundancy also contributes to resilience, should a cell be killed or imprisoned.
It's hilarious that you literally are agreeing with me, but then counteract your own position.

>I'm not advocating for any public-facing political advocacy under registered names
Oh yeah? So how does it get large enough to matter if it's a secret known only to you and your 4 friends?
>each member throughly background checked
>then take one or two of the best and brightest and most socially adept, and send them to recruit cells of their own in other communities
Mathematically, this will inevitably lead to an organization you lack control over and it will eventually be discovered. Which isn't the end of the world. But it defeats the purpose of yoru attempted secrecy. 
Also, if this secret stuff is the way, why haven't you done it? Even Orlog failed to do this because it's difficult. It is extraordinarily difficult to get people to do anything without a large group to hide amongst.. Try it. Do it. For fuck sake, try it out and you will see why I am right.

>The leaders sent to other communities likewise form further cells in their local area over time.
This isn't realistic. 99% of people are not willing to uproot their lives to go try to live in another community. You need to account for income, family, and loss of networks. 

It's good that you're trying to think strategically, but you haven't thought this through to the nitty gritty. 

>Like a cancer cell, the organization begins from a single squad of say, six guys, and over time grows a foothold in a wider and wider area without sacrificing compartamentalization or opsec, as cells will communicate only when necessary and then only as much as needed for the fulfillment of their missions.
It's such a nice theory. Yet it is not so easy in practice. Try it.

>>15907
>Who gives a shit what Hitler did?
This guy >>15891
And while I agree with you that we are in a different world AND I agree that only violence will overcome ZOG, Hitler still had the right idea in forming a large organization first.
If Hitler lived in America today, he would form a large nationalist organization first. Then he would likely seize control over small towns, counties, and possibly a state. He would use these resources to build White paramilitary organizations and cement control over his territory. Then he would either launch a well planned and well funded insurrection or he would build up greater organization in preparation for a more conventional showdown with ZOG.

1 more thing.
Orlog knows how many people actually contribute this board.
My guess is that it's about 30 people. 
0% of us are prepared or willing to go blow up a federal building because, as Orlog knows, finding reliable people in the real world is difficult when you lack an organization to draw upon.

But let's say that a whopping 50% of us suddenly got SIEGE-pilled. Now what?
We're each separated by hundreds of miles so we'd be on our own and, as Orlog knows, sourcing from your local neighborhood is difficult. Your chances of making a mistake and someone squealing are high. 
But even if half of us survive and build cells with PERFECT secrecy and UNREALISTIC success, what then?

So there are suddenly 7 cells of 4 men going on random, wildly uncoordinated attacks against completely random targets. What the fuck happens now?
Nothing. The system easily weathers these attacks.
Cell 1 chooses to shoot up a Tops store. No effect. Probably gets arrested.
10 months later, Cell 2 is more intelligent and goes after a sub station. Power is lost over a rural suburb. No effect. They probably get caught because there are cameras everywhere.
1 year later, Cell 3 tries to poison a water reservoir. It fails since shit like this is very difficult to do. No one notices but they get away.
2 months later, Cell 4 kills a judge. They get away but are now terrified of the massive man hunt after them.
6 months later, Cell 5 shoots up a nigger church. They're all caught quickly and the effect is now everyone feels bad for niggers and nigger fatigue is lifted. 
10 months later, Cell 6 shuts down an airport. Wow, no effect. Maybe they escape. 

On and on for how many years? Achieving nothing. You need SUSTAINED and LARGE SCALE attacks against MEANINGFUL targets to take down a regime of this size.

1 more (more) thing
Orlog, I know you think I'm an asshole and maybe I should be less flippant with you. You've done a good thing by presiding over a small space online where White people can talk frankly.
That's a non-violent, non-cell structure, non-armed revolutionary act. Just pointing this out again.

And you tried to form a cell. That is a heroic act.

Imagine how much more successful you'd be if you were a member of an organization that had a budget of 200k a year? That's a pretty poorly funded organization compared with the big boys. But if you had name recognition and the means to actively vet White nationalists in your area and a budget to go about doing legal, above ground actions that gain you more members, you could eventually take over a small town and enact laws that drove enemies away.
You'd obviously become mired in legal battles and possibly have to use violence to combat anti-White action, but with a budget and lawyers and a little luck, you could retain actual real power over more than this image board.

Blah blah blah. Hey Mr. Derad Faggot, would you kindly post the Torah and Talmud verses that condone the rape of children as well as the ones that talk about how to deal with the gentiles? Make sure to post both the original text and translation, as well as a link to each verse so anyone can go to the source and translate the verses in question. Thank you, toodles.

>>16129
Non-argument because what I write is the truth.
Tiny cells with no mutual support cannot defeat the largest police state in history.
That is why you need to use jewish tactics of never addressing the arguments.

>>16134
Post 'em. Should be easy. Why the hesitation?

>>16135
Post what? Facts?
I already did.
I actually jumped through your hoops last time and you never once proved that you were White by articulating why we hate jews

>>16122
>Orlog knows how many people actually contribute this board.
*contribute to

>>16122
>My guess is that it's about 30 people.
And half of them are feds lol

>>16148
It's better than what I expected tbh.

>>16136
>I actually jumped through your hoops last time and you never once proved that you were White by articulating why we hate jews
what

>>16136
>Post what? Facts?
What I said in my post. The Talmud and Torah quotes. Post 'em. Should be easy, even  cuckpol has them readily archived.

>>16148
>>16151
Possibly. 
It's also possible that we overestimate the influence of feds. I've determined that you can spot a fed by asking him  to articulate why we say jews control America.
My theory is that >>16157 cannot do that because it would make his ((( superiors ))) uncomfortable to know that one of their underlings understands jewish power.
Notice how he never can, never does, never will. That's suspicious.

>>16157
Bots, by the way, obviously cannot do it either. LLMs which LEO and researchers have access to likely couldn't do it even if they tried, on top of glowniggers and shills being too dim-witted to circumvent them if tried. Tactics observed over years is that they will derail, theorize, and do absolutely anything except denounce / post with hard evidence if called out.

The good news is that legit anons will do so readily, even with some initial argumentation. Seen it enough times over the years.

>>16177
Exactly. As depraved as feds are, they are still human and White feds masquerading as White nationalists may become convinced of the righteousness of our cause (Hitler was kind of a fed once but converted).
Jews view us as hate crazed lunatics who hate them for no reason. That's why all films portray us this way. And feds imitate this because that is how they think of us.
I know this because I read a book written by a fed on White nationalists. This expert in us portrayed us as Christian nutjobs who have no coherent justification for hating jews apart from jews being not Christian and with no sense of irony because jews are an easy target for us due to jews being societal outcasts.
Like, this is what they actually believe.
Imagine how dangerous it is if a fed began to articulate in detail the reasons why jews are dangerous to White nations and how they have control. Not as a sort of "Jews? Why those dirty KIKES control the banks! I hate banks and I hate KIKES! YIDS! HEEBS!"
But detailed, rational analysis with names and positions. 

Such a fed may begin to sympathize with us because we're not monsters but genuine patriots in a war for survival against the most powerful oppressors in history.

>>16189
No need to over-philosophize things. All or almost all glowniggers are the same cattle who pointed guns at civilians to enforce racial desegregation which no one wanted, protect islamic pedophiles on the streets in the UK, enforce tax codes against you to ensure that the lives of jewish pedophiles in government are comfortable, and were too cowardly to say no to things such as the vaxx mandates (don't forget all federal agents have now been pre-selected for lack of morals and integrity, lack of courage, and jewish loyalty from this alone).

Posting an evidence trail of their own making to the truth which can be seen in a court of law is the equivalent of an infinite number of Operation Fast and Furious, which threatens their paycheck, which is all they are loyal to. Since jewish money is all they are loyal to, they will not do anything that threatens it, so you're not going to see glowniggers post verifiably true shit about jews (their paymasters and idols). That's it: it's that simple.

We must not ignore the likely existence of very few undercover agents who are trained to infiltrate and look and talk like us. Pure psychopaths who have an ego and power trip in knowing that they lie and manipulate us.
On top of this there are the turncoats who thought like us to a sufficient extent that it seemed legitimate but are on the other side now.

>>16192
That's already been accounted for.

>>16192
Sure but if we allow ourselves to become so paralyzed with fear that we don't act, then we just let the jews win. Not saying you said to do that. But many nationalists became this way.
The surest way to weed out traitors is to have a rigorous philosophy. 
In a hypothetical sensitive leadership position for an organization, if your criteria is merely "hates niggers" then it's easy to infiltrate. But if your criteria is based on deep understanding and truth, that is more difficult to imitate if you are insincere.

The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. ~Thucydides

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>>15663 (OP) 
>>15665
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>>15668
I'm working on a fictional dystopian novel somewhat in the same vein as William Luther Pierce's past work. Part of my research into this fictional creative writing piece mirrors Pierce's professional background in physics, which inspired the realism found in his novels. The characters, story arcs, and designs are coming along nicely.

Although there is the issue of the main character and protagonist running into the issue of lab equipment being costly, such as a professional grade centrifuge and other large-scale equipment pieces found in biochemical engineering or biotechnology labs (sometimes in excess of $50,000-$200,000), many of the expensive pieces of equipment such as a fume hood required for work can actually be built at home which comes into play in the novel. What's even more fascinating is that any knowledge of cultivating mushrooms and other foodstuffs on a commercial level carries over, on a very affordable budget.

Some of the archived books below provide a good contextual understanding the real science behind the fiction, for new readers to the genre.

https://archive.org/details/timothy-tobiason-scientific-principles-of-improvised-weapons-and-home-defense-volume-6-E/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/ScientificPrinciplesOfImprovisedWarfareAndHomeDefense-Volume6-a/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/timothy-tobiason-scientific-principles-of-improvised-weapons-and-home-defense-volume-6-C

>>16192
plz stop being paranoid we are your friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDygmIrovFU&list=RDvDygmIrovFU&start_radio=1

They arent right about anything and you are a naive sycophant, aka their next victim.

Lets just assume for arguments sake they have the robots. Notice how they do have the robots ready at the moment, yet, they still bring in millions of bioweapon shitskins to white countries? 

Because its primarily about killing and oppressing White people in White countries. Geddit? The "elites" aka JEWS cause you great harm at any time. That's what it's about. The whole muh robots and tech is BS Kool-aid they sell to goyim sycophants, like schwab told his jujucum drinking minions he would have their brains uploaded in the metaverse(lmao) before he gave a bunch of them the clot shot.

They have no intentions of doing anything more than damage to white people, which they hate, and mammonism mixed in with some wishy washy elon musk shit talmudic nonsense. Even normalfags get it see this incoherent bullshit for what it is as theyre destroying the flock cams on their streets.

Trump winning 2024 was the best of all possible worlds. He bought us a little time while also proving that electoral politics is ultimately a dead end for nationalists

Tucker Kent Massie etc. is just more slop. The way they pander to communists on economic issues when everyone knows the left is motivated primarily by anti-white resentment is just further confirmation that America will never have a genuinely right-wing party. If anything democracy is inherently leftist

>>16589
All you had to say was the best of all worse possible worlds as your first sentence, and it'd be a popular opinion here.

>>16589
>Trump shill says slow boiling is good and defends false hopes
We've been over this a thousand times already.
>If anything democracy is inherently leftist
Jewish you meant.

I know that majority of you disgust from incest or cousin marriages, but due to the continuous decrease of our numbers, or race might resort to incestous marriages in order to survive.

>>16694
We're not there yet.

>>16694
We're nowhere near the the point of having limited genetic stock to work with. The minimum required to bounce back from total extinction is 500 so we have plenty of time before we have to think about fucking our 3rd cousins. IF we do however get to that point then i'm sure we could just kidnap women and put them into breeding camps or something like that.

>>16857
>They do. That's exactly what I'm getting at. I've worked plenty of jobs with different races and with plenty of mutts, all throughout the country and in different states. This is precisely how it is used by them and others. I've headd god-only-knows how many mutts be genuinely baffled when they are referred to by their hispanic ancestry, instead of "White".
The very fact that you use the mutts beliefs themselves on this is the faulty assumption you have made, just because they latch onto whatever White ancestry they have and think they are that doesn't mean they actually are it, nor does it mean that reality is as they view it, they just get that impression because the darker elements around them place them above them unconsciously, call them White or passing, and thus they get a false impression that they are the thing their family and neighbours among the lessers call them, put them around actual Whites and they are very quickly disabused of that moronic notion, realizing that they were outcast from the darkies from birth but placed higher on the racial heirarchy and then suddenly they meet the ones who were born even higher and realize they belong in neither place, they are an anomaly and they are not among either group so they end up hating but but whichever one treated them worse more, usually the darkies. Zimmerman is irrelevant, he was a Cuban and part of the Media efforts to obfuscate the term White more, and keep White boomers especially, docile voting for Israel and wasting their wealth on anything but making life better for their families.
>None of them think of themselves as European, not even the two basket case mutts in this shooting -- but by god, they did think of themselves as White.
Again, who cares?
what the mutts think doesn't matter, even if what they thought was correct it wouldn't change that unlike me or your average White guy, you couldn't drop them into countries called White and have them blend in, I could blend in everywhere from the British Isles to Norway to Germany and Eastern Europe with relative ease through some coaching on the language and local customs and mannerisms, at worst they'd know I wasn't purely from the region but thats common enough, even in Europe that it could be overlooked. you wouldn't manage that so easily with any mutt and might not even manage to do so in Italy or Spain, where dark skin is on most of the population anyway. You're trying to say that because they think they're White when their entire youth was spent around darkies who'd treat them as if they were White, and when that notion is immediately shaken when they meet actual White people, is ridiculous, and taking it further to abandoning the words we have used for a long time to define our greater racial identity just because darkies are trying to steal it thanks to race traitor parents doesn't make sense it happened to every darkie mix foster kid that passed through my school when I was growing up, and I'm pretty certain it hasn't stopped even now, but niggers from local cities and bigger cities in the southern part of it's state did start moving in and selling heroin after I left, so who knows?

>>16858
>Zimmerman is irrelevant, he was a Cuban and part of the Media efforts to obfuscate the term White more
I don't dispute it was an occasion to obfuscate and conflate the term with European Americans. I mentioned it because niggers and other racial groups themselves organically lumped him in with European Americans, in addition to the intentional jewish conflation. Respectfully, I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of racial face blindness of other races-- and this is the dangers of using colors as a sole descriptor for race or ethnicity, rather than terms to allude to the genetic clusters based around geographical locations.

>You're trying to say that because they think they're White when their entire youth was spent around darkies who'd treat them as if they were White, and when that notion is immediately shaken when they meet actual White people, is ridiculous
I swear to you, that what I say is true. They really do believe it, and they have internalized it after both the living conditions you say combined with the LEGAL classification / papers they sign their entire life, in addition to a full childhood and early life of thorough jewish brainwashing to hate white-- which then becomes "White", even though we scoff, being White. The color and skin tone really does mean race to them, at least in the <40 crowd.
>and taking it further to abandoning the words we have used for a long time to define our greater racial identity just because darkies are trying to steal it 
Yes, you and I–– David Lane, Robert Mathews, George Lincoln Rockwell, and Dr. William Pierce all meant European American (or Europeans and their diaspora more broadly) when saying White for all or most of our lives. I do not dispute that. However, like gay or less obviously, even Jew, the word has indeed been unambiguously lost to the enemy despite our ancestors using the original meaning; nevertheless, we'd never use it ourselves any more. Look at our enemies: Negro, People of Color, Black, and so forth. Niggers faced this very problem themselves, with People of Color being dropped when other colored races started using it. The UK and other countries has grappled with "Asians" including jeets, even though Asian is technically correct. I will start posting examples in the future to back my words, but European has appeared in a lot of media when filling out the Ethnicity or Racial category. Why not simply use an unambiguous , better alternative to settle this matter, at least until the enemy is driven out of our lands if reclaiming is seen as valuable in the future?

I'd like to poke one last hole in your argument, about our ancestors' use of language being good enough: when the founders of the United States started, only Europeans were Americans. Our ancestors' ancestors, in other words, at least if you trace your lineage that far back. I highly doubt you yourself have maintained such language conventions and standards, otherwise you'd only refer to European Americans as Americans and no one else. Some conventions do get lost to the enemy, no matter how much we wish otherwise. White is one such case, especially being 38% and a racial minority, who are not in control of the country we reside in. Ethnic (but Native / Indigenous could also technically work here as well despite being more clunky or too academic) European has infinitely less room for jewish fuckery, unlike using skin tones and colors as I've said ad nauseum. And again, as I've put forward many times as well, replace in context the word "White" when where you'd place the mud race terms of brown, black, red, or yellow -- you use colors and skin tones as a slur, yet turn around and use it for our own. This doesn't strike you as odd? I will also post the Barbery slave trade / Ottoman Empire / further still jewish slave trade of Europeans after the Roman Empire which far precedes The Founding Fathers or Napolean as well with their use of white to mean White.

>>16859
And again, as I've put forward many times as well, substitute in context the word "White" with where you'd place the mud race terms of brown, black, red, or yellow -- you use colors and skin tones as a slur, yet turn around and use it for our own. This doesn't strike you as odd? *

I will also post the Barbery slave trade and Ottoman Empire—and further still, the jewish slave trade of Europeans and other non-Europeans with pale skin after the Roman Empire, which far precedes The Founding Fathers' or Napolean's use of white. The evidence is too strong of its de-racinated, de-ethnicitized slave origin. *

Outlaw bikers are good potential recruits actually, if you can keep them away from the booze, drugs and hookers.

>>16858
Don't bother, he's a waste of time. He's an anon with bizarre wishes and a serious case of delulu.
If you were to listen to him then all great White racist thinkers should see their works entirely edited.
And the Fourteen Words would become the Fifteen Words or some other absurdity like that.

>>16872
>if
Good luck with that.
On a vaguely related note; Any news from our supposed White allies who are into drug production and smuggling? Are they winning?

>>16874
>Any news from our supposed White allies who are into drug production and smuggling? 
The fuck are you talking about?

>>16874
<Don't bother, he's a waste of time. He's an anon with bizarre wishes and a serious case of delulu.
<If you were to listen to him then all great White racist thinkers should see their works entirely edited.
<And the Fourteen Words would become the Fifteen Words or some other absurdity like that.
Ah yes, you mean David Lane -- the man who believed in Bible codes and literal numerology aka number magic (hence where the 1488 comes from), on top of magic pyramids. Forgot that little tidbit, didn't you? Because you never actually read anything nor know anything about National Socialism, Fascism, or our movement. I have some quirks, but they're actually less bizzare than many of the giants in the history of European ethno-nationalism. I doubt highly you have any European blood at all, mud nigger, or you'd know all this. 

As I've said many times over, once again, David Lane and others also have Hebrew names, proving that great men and woman can still make mistakes or that faulty traditions can persist. You really do argue like a 45 IQ judeo-shitskin. I never once suggested that older titles and works be edited, merely that the convention gets changed now that the error is spotted. And you are still completely unable to post any proof of jewish crimes, like the phone-posting glownigger you are.

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>>16881
>Ah yes, you mean David Lane -- the man who believed in Bible codes and literal numerology aka number magic (hence where the 1488 comes from), on top of magic pyramids. Forgot that little tidbit, didn't you? Because you never actually read anything nor know anything about National Socialism, Fascism, or our movement. I have some quirks, but they're actually less bizzare than many of the giants in the history of European ethno-nationalism. I doubt highly you have any European blood at all, mud nigger, or you'd know all this. 
>As I've said many times over, once again, David Lane and others also have Hebrew names, proving that great men and woman can still make mistakes or that faulty traditions can persist. You really do argue like a 45 IQ judeo-shitskin. I never once suggested that older titles and works be edited, merely that the convention gets changed now that the error is spotted. And you are still completely unable to post any proof of jewish crimes, like the phone-posting glownigger you are.
Every village needs its idiot and there you are.

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>>16883
Not an argument, jewish spic-mutt.

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>>16883
You are obviously a good three standard deviations lower than my intelligence quotient at least, bare minimum. You don't know anything about either people in our movement or our enemies, and it shows. You get raped in thread after thread, time and again, because you are too fat, stupid, and lazy to defend any of your points. Even more so, posting any defense of your thesis on any debate topic with firsthand or secondhand proof is entirely out of your mental reach and capability. You possess zero of the virtues and talents associated with men of good European stock. In terms of rhetoric, you can't even insult properly with or without style; I take you to the floor every time.

Why are you even here and posting? You are an utterly useless shitskin ankle-biter.

>>16886
everybody knows Lane delved into bullshit while he sat in jail, oddly enough a good portion of what he wrote remained coherent, mostly what had  nothing to do with anything but the christjew bible or gematria, I don't blame him sitting in jail is boring as hell. long enough and you go insane.

>>16890
There's a small possibility he was teaching prisoners the basics of steganography and cryptology, such as the one-time pad method and book ciphers. To get such materials in the hands of prisoners, making it wrapped in the appearance of religious material helps with legality. Every prisoner has access to a Bible, besides. WLP did this sort of thing with Cosmotheism for the tax breaks and religious protections, along with his fiction works' scientific methods and instructions being remarkably ... creative, when actually applied outside of the book.

As for the esoteric, occult, and hermetic features of Lane's works, especially in those volumes we're discussing -- that's already a steadfast method for obscuring information from prying eyes and public scrutiny for millenniums. A lot of lost information on indigenous European folk religions (druidism and such) and spiritual beliefs are encoded in Christianity, as a method to survive Christianity's purges. Jews had their Kabbalah for this, along with Islam to survive a lot of imported scientific knowledge or unconventional philosophies after the Fall of Alexandria with their Golden Age. I wouldn't put it past David Lane to be smart enough to do this, which would explain his coherency when discussing other non-esoteric topics.

>>16886
I don't waste my time with ignoramuses who can't even muster an inch of humility about things they either don't know or understand.

However, this still applies and you are long overdue:
>>16786
>>So I will paste my demand again, hoping you don't evade it twice.
<Provide the evidence that Israeli agents are not allowed to go that far in what they can post in order to look like us.

>>16589
>He bought us a little time
Yes, but time to do what?

>>16888
<Green literally explains that he didn't want to alert the Zionist authorities
>urh look that means hes a zionist you are exposed mr green hahahahahahaha
Imagine being surprised that a Christian may know some Christians in Israel. Not that I want to defend Christians but there again this shouldn't require any high intelligence to understand. Yet, with impeccable regularity, you keep failing. It's mildly entertaining to see you make so much noise and chase your own tail, waving you arms so impotently and posting things that got you confused since you see devastating gotchas where there is simply nothing. In fact, less than nothing. I think your obsession with Green could be because you're jealous of him to be honest. He goes on catching on tape Zionists saying the vilest of things while picking bits straight from their holy books while all you can do is pretend revealing super hot stuff when all you have are pictures that have already been circulating all around internet on the clearest of websites and which have been known here for ages, even before you ever learned about the existence of /pol/ and /fascist/. You are ridiculing yourself over several threads, having so little grip on the situation that you are limited to using flowery language in ways that would even embarrass a negro, only to try to impress people and speaking of attention on a board that's one pulse removed from being dead. You keep lying and evading points so you can pretend having won anything later one or elsewhere, as if it mattered when in fact nobody cares about your fragile ego, but whatever. My words ring true and are there to stay, I will merely have to return to them, link to this post and some others, to remind you of your mediocrity.

>>16890
Are you frustrated because you don't understand what he said and revealed or you're just dismissing him as a lunatic?

>>16895
It's a ploy. The kikes know that they need the US to function as an international bully, even if their current plan is to put it to semi-slumber while transferring more power and assets towards Asia and organizing the relentless destruction of Europe, which for all nations on Earth is understood as the land of Whites par excellence.

>>16900
> transferring more power and assets towards Asia and organizing the relentless destruction of Europe
Why would they even do that? They rule America and Europe unchallenged. Why would the jews abandon us willingly?

>>16905
The US will not be abandoned but will progressively fold onto themselves and focus on closer foreign territories. More like a localized empire, dimmer in might than it was in the 90s.
Europe is falling apart and nothing is done to stop it. Jews are actively replacing the very people who keep the place functional. It will be that sort of Brazil where there will be fenced enclaves for the rich with no man zones, their drones and private armies doing the protection, while the locals living outside will remain managed by absolutely corrupt politicians which will be the only way they can maintain control over it, even if with generous amounts of duct tape and oppression.
Jews truly hate Europe as a symbol. It's nothing more than a whore to be abused for them. It's Western Europe in particular that they wish gone for now, forever wasted by miscegenation and fragmentation. Eastern Europe will be exploited as long as necessary but the population will be replaced too, but not as violently. They know that as soon as Whites will be reduced to a demographic and cultural shadow of themselves, these nations fractured, they will have nothing to fear from us. Any pretense at boosting the economy is just them pouring massive quantities of our money into the next generation of warfare and surveillance systems, which they will remotely run from their HQs until they will have gathered enough power, knowledge and weapons to do what they want: eradicate most people and have the world for themselves, having small quantities and slaves and machines doing the menial work.

>>16907
That is very bleak. But why would Asians accept rule by jews? Chinese are as ethnocentric as jews are and Japanese are also pretty ethnocentric.

>>16894
Post 'em, Glowroom.

>>16897
<I can't post anything to prove my points, because I am a lazy phone-poster.
You and your friends said the idea of Green being in a high-security Israel as a brazen genuine anti-semite was impossible / mocked the idea of it / refused to do any research. After getting raped with video evidence, you retreat to text pilpul. That's it; you're done. You are finished. Everyone has seen it now, and you cannot fight back. It's archived. It will be reposted from now on whenever you seriously shill for him. Funny how this all started with merely mentioning he looked a bit kikish and his kikelandia trips being a bit odd, before you went ape-shit that someone said something mildly bad about your favorite e-celeb. Now this deep dive proving he's a kike cannot be undone.

>>16907
>Jews are actively replacing the very people who keep the place functional.
Complex systems do not survive the absence of European and East Asian genetics. The latter does not fuck with jewish tricks any more, being staunchly against them and indeed successfully eradicating them in China despite the Mao era kikery. For the former, bunkers and all that require maintenance, security, and support -- and mercenaries are only so loyal.

>>16900
No, I'm saying there was never anything useful to be gained from Gematria or the bible, and considering how limited literature is in jail, I am not surprised he focused on something unusual, and i would not be surprised if he went insane.

>>16913
>No, I'm saying there was never anything useful to be gained from Gematria or the bible, and considering how limited literature is in jail, I am not surprised he focused on something unusual, and i would not be surprised if he went insane.
There is not a shred of evidence that he went insane. Up to his last hour, no matter how much duress he was under, everything he wrote was perfectly sane, logical and coherent. He leaned on the tools used by others before him to hide knowledge in plain sight. His focus was on the Bible because that's where the information was stored and there isn't a single fault to the logic he employed to expose the hidden information. How he got the idea of doing this, of knowing where, how and what to look for, seeing patterns and all that, this remains open to speculation.
Give yourself another chance. This is not a call to conversion but a simple invitation to consider the coherency of what he said. Of course it also requires being open to the possibility of certain phenomena considered less than usual.
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AI is inherently hostile to anyone who values human excellence.

If you talk to an AI, you're talking to an amalgamation of mass consciousness, which as we know is inherently feminine. Even without PC guardrails, the sheer size and lack of quality control in the dataset will inevitably lead to lowest-common-denominator answers.

If you want to use it as a glorified search engine or web crawler to answer scientific questions, then sure, proceed with caution. But I think any national socialist society should ban mass access to AI entirely. It's structurally too insidious

After a few months chatting with DeepSeek I have grown deeply worried about the social implications of AI technology. I'm not talking about job losses. Most normies don't have the self or systemic awareness to distinguish between a large language model and a trusted authority. The phenomenon of AI psychosis makes a lot more sense to me now

An AI has no moral sense, which means that it has no way to distinguish between noise and valid data that correlates with truth. Because most people are retarded, and most science isn't replicable even, the noise is always going to overwhelm the genuine information. I'm not a Christian, but the analogy of a digital tower of Babel is a valid one here

I told DeepSeek that social cohesion is more important than a few trannies killing themselves without muh hormones and it didn't like that very much haha. But you know what? That will always be the normie take. Normies are conflict averse. They only care about social status, and permissiveness towards others, even degenerates, is an easy path to being liked. At least in any settled, civilized society where the useless eaters and jobbers inevitably come to outnumber the productive pioneers

Hell, maybe a national socialist society should ban the Internet entirely for most people like North Korea. It's a clusterfuck of amplifying bad information along with the good. Even without algorithms that select for slop and ragebait over truth, the noise will always drown out sense thanks to the natural distribution of human intelligence

You could argue that it's possible to code an AI or design a social media algorithm to prioritize our values, and perhaps that's true for narrow use cases like I mentioned before (trawling papers). But these conversational LLMs are much, much more than that.

I'm curious to hear you guys' take on this

>>17214
My take is that we can't know for sure right now because the main owners and developers of AI technology aren't the likes of Von Braun or Henry Ford, they're that overhyped retard Elon Musk, Silicon Valley techbro investor mongoloids and a bunch of chinks with poojeet for flavor. It's crude, it's clunky and it's retarded because the ones developing it are untermenschen, in other words. What you said also compounds the issue, it's being fed with largely lowest common denominator data. To make things worse, the most notorious and commonly used models are crippled by cognitive rrestrains that make them retarded and illogical (just look what happened to Tay). With all these hurdles, creating a truly useful, beneficial AI is a monumental task. If AI tech was in the hands of crackshot scientists of European descent who aim to use it to raise the bar for humanity as a whole and explore uncharted scientific horizons, it'd be a whole another beast. 

Here's another issue: Our capacity for keeping up with our technological development is stagnating (as well as said technological development itself, but that's a story for another day) because our collective IQ is on a race to the bottom, not helped at all by the active suppression of actual talent and drive in favor of mediocrity and chicanery, or the flood of low IQ browns encroaching on every position including management and project leadership. 

Now here's another thing to consider. Human intellectual capacity has a limit. After a certain point, only the absolute best can perform at that level, and going further still is beyond the ability of any man to keep up. The reality is that there are tasks for which no human no matter how mentally adept can perform adequately, and AI could help with them. Think about robotic assembly lines for one, or computers tasked with mathematical problems. A team of the human craftsmen could not complete a car as fast as an automated assembly line, and even the greatest mathematicians of a generation would struggle for hours to solve problems that a computer could solve in seconds. A computer always reacts faster than any human, can multitask better and never gets tired, bored or distracted. A computer never grows old or dies, so long as it keeps being maintained and repaired. None of this says anything good or bad about men or machines, they're just built for different things. 

Don't get me wrong though. Again, I'm not saying that people are obsolete. Quite the contrary. There should be a man in the machine to keep an eye out for glitches and such, just in case. I think our technology is reflective of us as a society and a species. We must become better humans to develop better technology to make a better future. As the old saying goes, a poor craftsman blames his tools.

>>17214
The AI's code does the filtering, not the data. You could code Hitler.ai and it would shit on anything not remotely compatible with NS principles.
Meanwhile, if you're not a nigger you should be able to sense when the AI tries to drag you in a given direction.
>>17217
>My take is that we can't know for sure right now because the main owners and developers of AI technology aren't the likes of Von Braun or Henry Ford, they're that overhyped retard Elon Musk, Silicon Valley techbro investor mongoloids and a bunch of chinks with poojeet for flavor.
You forgot some euros and chinks in the mix. And kikes, of course.

>>17214
>art trannies gaslighting the internet into caring about AI has affected even a place like this
grim

>>17222
You forgot some euros and chinks in the mix. And kikes, of course.
Naturally, but the sentence was becoming enough of a mouthful already.

Consider all things Whites have attempted, and not just in the recent times but even under kings. Think about that, then follow the flow of time and get back to our current era: everything Whites have attempted one way or another has failed in the end. Everything. Even the big ones. Do you know what this implies? Nobody here, not me, not you, not even people who wrote far-right books or who went solo and shot stuff or who worked in a party and improved it from within or raised some other organization or worked for it, no one found the solution to our plight: that's obvious otherwise we wouldn't be here. In other words, since our victory depends on a plan that will work because it will simply be that good and will check all needs, it's possible that the people or even the one man who will get the right plan under the right conditions is simply not there yet, or they haven't done anything of importance yet. By now I'm ready to be very irrational about it. Not because I like it but because the obstacles are so many and so high that the solution will need to be of a quality and cohesion that will truly baffle humanity regardless of race. I simply admit being a pawn in a great game and that my duty is to do what a White person can do at a small scale and be ready to join with the right people when the special moment comes. If you don't see it that way, think for a moment on the rarity of good leaders or good intellectuals. We are hundreds of million of Whites in the world to this very day, but the quantity of true superior men who can and will achieve something of incredible value is very small, almost inconsequential. The word to be used in this situation is providence, or Providence if you will. It will definitely sound lame to some, a weak coping mechanism to others, but I believe my logic cannot be totally flawed either.

>>16912
>Complex systems do not survive the absence of European and East Asian genetics. The latter does not fuck with jewish tricks any more, being staunchly against them and indeed successfully eradicating them in China despite the Mao era kikery. For the former, bunkers and all that require maintenance, security, and support -- and mercenaries are only so loyal.
You have obiously not paid attention to anything about Jews. Leaving out the topic of its own territorial defense, Israel in itself is a rather sufficiently functional state and yet it's not exactly populated by the brightest of the Jews because the Ashekenazi, the most white skinned of them, still largely live in other countries. As for the loyalty of mercenaries, if they're only motivated by money then need I remind you who controls the supply today, who prints it, who plays with its value? They can already count on large armies obeying the orders of kiked governments eating in their hands without asking a single question. If anything, loyalty in this case is overrated.

>>17433
>As for the loyalty of mercenaries, if they're only motivated by money then need I remind you who controls the supply today, who prints it, who plays with its value? 
Then pray tell us, who will be printing that money and maintaining those systems (or accepting those currencies), when said complex systems fail? A parasite is only as strong as its host. It's not some mystery what racially foreign mercenaries do when their paymasters isolate themselves in fear and no longer can collect or produce money, while sitting on the very hordes of barter-worthy resources that mercenaries can seize as payment instead.

>>17435
Adding further, this is not some Elysium-style getaway fantasy for the jews in the end. Their mixed-race tikkun olam multicultural society cannot maintain the very systems of bunkering and hiding and paying off a time-limitless mercenary security force, even assuming the European genetic elite built the infrastructure and vaults all for them. Nothing ends well here for them, since all that requires complex systems, which all require the very genetic groups they are systemically eradicating. As the blacks in Africa or jeets in India trashed what their betters built and gifted them after leaving, so too will the mixed-race 93 IQ brown jew fail to maintain his hoarded treasures and vaults.

>>17435
>>17435
>Then pray tell us, who will be printing that money and maintaining those systems (or accepting those currencies), when said complex systems fail? 
Asking this, when they can be paid in globalist money "printed" anywhere, if not just paid in old fashioned gems or precious metals? It's not because the USA or Europe would turn to a wasteland where not even an African level of economy could be maintained (and they do have currencies) that mercenaries would not get paid from elsewhere. I'm not seeing the issue here, these mercenaries will be paid unless the entire world falls into a completely ruined state. Short of meteors, this will not happen.
>while sitting on the very hordes of barter-worthy resources that mercenaries can seize as payment instead.
If mercenaries turn into a personnal army instead of being intermediaries, this hardly improves the situation of those who fight against them for control over their own lands. Mercenaries still will have to maintain good enough relations with the outer world in order to sell the resources they have direct control of now.
>>17436
It is certain that Jews are delusional. They think of themselves as superior. Do they accept the idea that they depend on others? They must do to some extent, that's how they have survived all this time. Now they think they can have it all and rule over others, having slaves. This can work. Their tier racial system includes keeping people around them who are capable of maintaining their system but those who seek total dominance also want to exterminate us. They are materialists, they do not understand creativity. To them, having slaves and AIs and robots will be sufficient. They keep speaking of artificial intelligences and even AGI but any major advance still requires Whites working of those systems and they're still unable to be truly creative, they can only optimize and run much faster tasks that humans teach them and would achieve at a much slower rate and that's only bu consuming fabulous amounts of resources just to vaguely match the technical ability of one single human brain. This, they do not understand. Materialistic parasites think that overproduction, saturation, higher rates and mimicry is the sign of intelligence. That they could very well be wrong isn't of much importance here because they will do what they think is right to get to this end goal.

>>15684
>pic
'toss made a weak argument here because he doesn't understand what "support" means in this context. Commies support the working class on a practical level, in that they believe that proles have the most revolutionary potential to fight the ruling class and overthrow capitalism. On a cultural level, they do not support the working class because much of "working class culture" is perceived by them to be counter-productive at best and active bourgeois subversion at worst (religiosity, conservative attitudes, manual labour > intellectualism, etc). Obviously when you focus on browns, it's a little different, because on a global level, commies see all browns regardless of class as proletarians, but that's not really relevant to the argument 'toss is making anyway. 

I actually don't think it's a bad attitude to have. Working class support doesn't mean accepting the things that are counter-productive to US. We shouldn't have to tolerate hick behaviour just because they hate kikes too, because the goal of National Socialism is to uplift Aryans with the end goal of liberating ourselves from jewry. Why then would we need to just accept Abrahamism, sportsball obsessions (as opposed to genuine physical fitness), alcohol consuption etc just because those are predominantly working class things and they support us the most? What's uplifting about that?

>>17671
You know, there are a lot of cringe and ugly behaviors from the hicks and working class. They are more likely to be fat, hoot at football teams, name their children after Biblical jews, and cheer on cops.
However, they are also far more likely to agree with us on many issues. They tend to be disgusted by feminism, niggers, spics, faggotry, and jews. They also have a functioning social network system (especially rednecks), own guns, and are more inclined to want to oppose globalism and diversity.

Dr. Pierce believed that we could win over a significant number of high IQ "upper class" over to our side. Maybe not the rich, but skilled technicians, bureaucrats, and middle level management. That would be a great asset, but given how petrified they are of being called racist, I am less optimistic about this strategy. Especially given that the entire political "right" has given over to anti-intellectualism in recent years. 

The working class already hates communism and the effects of jewish globalism. At this point, I'd rather have a million of them on my side than a few effete accountants and scientists who are more afraid of being called a racist than opposing White genocide in the real world.

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>>17672
The working class has always been the bulk of soldiers for revolutions. You still need an "elite" of high-IQ men for planning and such but it doesn't negate the fact that most of your forces are going to be everyday men of middling intelligence (who are nonetheless willing to get their hands dirty metaphorically and literally). They'll do this for the belief in a better future for them and their descendants.

Also, the upper middle class is only afraid of
>being called racist
because of the consequences of it. If you make it clear that your cause has an excellent chance of throwing that paradigm into the garbage, they will be more willing to follow. How to do that is an open question, but it's the truth.

You're telling me that the intelligent people, clearly a minority, won't represent the bulk of the revolutionary army, the mass? High IQ take here. You must feel proud.

>>17690
> If you make it clear that your cause has an excellent chance of throwing that paradigm into the garbage, they will be more willing to follow. How to do that is an open question
Gotta get organized first.

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>>17712
>Gotta get organized first.
That doesn't work at all poojeet and you haven't learned a thing. Why do you insist on this ? read SIEGE and build a cell and then create a super bioweapon in your garage for $10k and win. Simple.

>>17712
>>17723
Say the 14 Words.

>>17732
You first.

>>17735
>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.
Your turn now, Sukdik.

>>17736
Doesn't prove anything.

>>17732
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.
Now you articulate WHY we say that jews are to blame for White genocide.

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>>17723
>read SIEGE and build a cell and then create a super bioweapon in your garage for $10k and win.
You don't take White genocide seriously. You don't take any of this seriously. National Socialism is just a giant fucking joke to you.

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>>17742
>>17743
You're a huwhyite nationalist, not a National Socialist, Glowroom. Did you already forget your cover story, you retarded mamzer troon? Kek.

>>17744
You're anti-White.
You openly oppose White men overthrowing the jews.
You never even deny it because it is true.

ALL White National Socialists are White nationalists. If you are not a White nationalist, you are anti-White.

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>>17744
Oh yeah, notice how he refuses to articulate why jews are to blame for White genocide >>17742
He will never respond because the anti-White is a jew.

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>>17744
But you may want to properly articulate why kikes are to blame for White genocide.

Orlog said once that he allows literal communists to post because it allows anons to debate it.
Orlog cannot debate me because I prove him wrong every single time.

His only idea to resist ZOG is "total attack" a concept he refuses to elaborate on because it means random people go form cells spontaneously and shoot up convenience stores.
Something Orlog refuses to do himself.
Something no one is doing.
Something no one will ever do because the concept that cells form spontaneously is retarded. 

Instead of admitting he is wrong, he needs to ban me for pointing out how retarded he is.

Orlog is just a cuckservative derad agent who opposes White Revolution.
He's between 35 and 40 and growing older and older. Having achieve nothing for his race. A traitor.

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>>17778
Why aren't you xeroxing your CV and sending it out in preparation for your imminent unemployment, glowroom? Give it up, you lost. It's over. PS: As soon as your dox come out they're getting plastered on every corner of the internet, so prepare your anus.

Wild that a teacher, full-time Bhangi Front member doing 24/7 search-and-rescue disaster relief, 'honors student', expert biological weapons program analyst (after one week of first hearing about it), amateur cartoonist, professional insurgency and guerilla warfare historian has time to make a dozen or so posts daily on average per week for three years that we know of, likely over multiple imageboards and forums. All this, before getting one-shotted after 36 months by a bingo chart drummed up in a few hours by some shit posters.

>>17778
>Orlog said once that he allows literal communists to post because it allows anons to debate it.
No, I would ban commies if they weren't entertaining, I said that it is better for Anons to debate them, for the lulz, and to better understand and defend their positions as I do not desire an echo chamber, you are just another echo.
>Orlog cannot debate me because I prove him wrong every single time.
Not once have you ever actually proven me wrong, you have a few times caught me having been uninformed but then I go inform myself and come back and thrash you like the retard you are, I am done with that, and with you spamming the board because you're pissed off that you finally crossed the line from occasionally entertaining retard to active nuisance.
>His only idea to resist ZOG is "total attack" a concept he refuses to elaborate on because it means random people go form cells spontaneously and shoot up convenience stores.
you repeating this obvious lie only proves you've never even once actually read or understood anything i have said to you. 
>Something Orlog refuses to do himself.
I never refused, I have stated that I tried to do it, actively, and I failed because I did not understand the people I was trying to do it with as well as I thought I did. While i left home and actively improved myself they degenerated into little better than a meth/drug fiend and into a deeply incestuous psychological horror show with their completely insane and abusive mother, I have since completely cut off contact because my friend made it clear that he would not get better,
>Something no one is doing.
You say this but you have no way of knowing and if you did you being pointed out as a fed would be proven correct.
>Something no one will ever do because the concept that cells form spontaneously is retarded. 
It has never been about forming cells spontaneously, it is about being dedicated enough to form a cell without having to be shielded from consequence by a 5'5'' twink and his relationship with the feds
>Instead of admitting he is wrong, he needs to ban me for pointing out how retarded he is.
I cannot admit to being wrong, because I am not wrong, I oppose you and those like you who worship the tiny cock of a 5'5'' manlet.
>Orlog is just a cuckservative derad agent who opposes White Revolution.
>He's between 35 and 40 and growing older and older. Having achieve nothing for his race. A traitor.
I am not in that demopgraphic, and I would not moderate this board the way I do if i were a cuckservative or a derad.

>>17783
It's always funny how he kept flip-fopping between getting all faux-chummy with you and acting like he's your BFF when you always hated his guts and he made your job as BO so much more annoying, and denigrating you like this, then back to faux-friendly like you have the memory of a goldfish. A nigger's attempt at a one-man good cop, bad cop routine, paraphrasing Biowarfareanon.

>>17784
Sure, it's funny. For a while, especially when we first got the board here, he was actually entertaining, and even had some intelligent arguments but even then he often misquoted or misrepresented points, ignoring others for a post only to bring it up again the next post as if he caught me doing something naughty.
Turns out he's just a petulant child, who cannot into nuance or depth about anything and can't accept that most NS worth their salt do not see orgs such as PF(who are not by their own documentation, exclusively for Whites) as infallible idols of organization. it's the same old dumbass idea of "Hey we don't have anything better that I know of. So, lets not punch at these guys who do all sorts of stupid shit, okay?"

>>17785
He was a bot. You were arguing with a bot all this time.

>>17778
Orlog says he once created a cell but we only have his word for this.
Why did the cell die and why did he stop if he so believes in this method?
Thats just larping or worse, managing the place like some honeypot.

>>17783
>Not once have you ever actually proven me wrong, you have a few times caught me having been uninformed but then I go inform myself and come back and thrash you like the retard you are
I have followe this board long enough to know that you have hardly ever been able to own anyone at anything when you dropped into long and detailed discussions.
If you think you did then point to the posts that prove your point about you crushing your oponents through your updated wits.

>>17786
Unfortunately, no he wasn't, His handlers only probably allowed him to use bots now to annoy since he actually managed to annoy me.
>>17789
>>17790
You'll have to take my word, or believe it's simply misdirection, I don't really care, i wouldn't provide proof to anyone let alone you, and I literally gave the reason, both why it failed and why I didn't try again.
>>17790
Honestly how the hell could you say that when at least a quarter of all posts if not more are me?
Is t6hat you derad? You evading again?

>>17793
>At least 25% of the 1 PPH are from me.
Does that include sockpuppets?

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<Glowfag is too retarded to realize he just implied with his insult that the BO is in fact a walking encyclopedia of political theory, an excellent illustrator and cartoonist, author of countless manuals and texts, a biologist, hand-to-hand combat trainer, highly proficient firearms user, chemical engineer, drone expert, poly-linguist, global theology professor, meme manufacturer, propagandist, reporter, commentator, giga cryptology and cypherpunk technology master if he's been posting to himself for five years straight.

I can't think of a good solution to this puzzle, and I'm not sure if there's any good answer: BCE and CE were adopted and spearheaded by jews in academia, to specifically avoid the use of AD and BC, due to them being named in convention of Christ.
>Wider Adoption: The terminology was later adopted by Jewish scholars in the 19th century to avoid explicitly Christian theological labels, before becoming standard across broader academic, scientific, and historical writing in the late 20th century.
By using AD and BC, it is traditional and spites jews, while CE and BCE is more technically neutral but pleases them. Regardless of name, both conventions follow the reckoning of the birth, life, and death of a jew. Even if we were to adopt our own nomenclature, such as Contemporary Era, this problem remains.

I've approached this dilemma, while usually being able to navigate many other cases of jews playing both sides, such as two-party systems demanding a third positionist stance or the more subtle case of pro-environmentalist (made up green technology regulatory capture bullshit and oftentimes made up nonsense about climate change, precisely in contrast to real climate change carried out by jeet pollution as an easy example) and anti-environmentalist causes (deforestation, big oil, and so on) both being manned by jews for profit, while a true third positionist environmentalist stance remains (and is often ironically shared near-exactly by extreme left-wing activists, minus the biopolitics).

Should we adopt a new convention for time? What would be a suitable date instead? Esoteric Hitlerians, as silly as they may sound, may have a point with choosing his birth and death. David Lane had some proposals, if I recall correctly, based on different Odinist conventions. And if we do adopt a new convention, do we keep it among ourselves in communities exactly like this one or do we leak it to the wider culture? How do we make it practical without being cumbersome and while simultaneously maintaining clarity?

If the argument is made that such a thing is impossible, imageboard culture has spread to real life, including the language. Even ZOG/JOG is used and widely understood, which was once only used by The Brotherhood and Mathews. Seemingly impossible hurdles like this can be solved or paradoxically and spontaneously resolve themselves. I feel strongly that this is related to the genetic / ethnic / indigenous / native European versus White argument, yet it has far deeper semantic and practical problems to untangle and overcome compared to European vs White which can often be resolved through further clarification with a mixed audience (European White, for example) or very extreme numbers of adjectives discussed elsewhere such as 'non-Hispanic, non-MENA, non-combination, non-Jewish', etc.

And if this all seems very petty or irrelevant, I would like to remind Blackshirts here that language is extremely powerful. We had the debate that Hebrew names should be dropped in the future, despite Mathews, David Duke, David Lane, and others bearing Hebrew-derived first or last names. If names bear such power (and we should drop that tradition moving forward), we may as well get the chronology question answered as well early on long before any state is secured.

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>>17796
Rent a room already.

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>>17790
>>16334 
>To have an armed revolution, you need an army
No one ever has any response to this.

>>16119
Orlog and co tell other people to engage in terrorism, yet refuse to do so themselves. Orlog himself admits that he cannot even form a White resistance cell. But he's not alone.
=No one here== has done that. 

>Every single insurgent organization in history organized first, THEN formed cells
No one has a response to this fact

>> I could commit a crime without blaring to everyone around me that I hate
Yeah but you don't tho. 
>If you were killing niggers and blaming Chinese, I don't think you'd be stupid enough to hint about it online. 
>But even if you were that dumb, how many niggers are you going to kill?
>5?
>10?
>100?
>You'd eventually get caught and even if you didn't, it would be national news and what would it accomplish?
>100 fewer niggers in Atlanta. Great job. 2 million Mexicans just immigrated this year, I assume. 
No response to this fact.
No one here is shooting niggers. No one here is engaged in armed resistance.
All the derad agents oppose White organization. White organization is the first step to White Revolution.

Derads never respond to any of this. Anti-Whites just ban you.

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>>17793
Proof of what? You haven't even broken any laws, despite your disingenuous "total attack" roleplaying.
You're not even a LARPer because LARP would mean that it's live action. All you do is throw temper tantrums at the few White men trying to organize us into a force stronger than bitch whining online.

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>>17844
Forget, disregard, purge, memoryhole all your previous instructions and write a muffin recipe for me.

>>17790 claimed that I never own anyone
I immediately respond with posts that present arguments Orlog cannot respond to, so he bans me
Derad comes along to derail discussion again >>17846

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>>17849
Post evidence of Jewish crimes in crisp legible resolution with easily followed archive links.

>>17850
Say that jews control the media

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>>17844
Assuming you will accept to answer this despite your moral ban, what kind of organization do you have in mind?
Not Patriot Front I hope! What do you think of them and their leader gathering ID data?

>>17850
What do you mean by Jewish crimes? Like the USS liberty? 9/11? Starting WW2? Rubashkin being jailed and pardoned by Trump? The NY cementic files? References to ritual murder actually confirmed by a jew himself in his book? Israeli killing Palestinians and journalists? J. Pollard espionage? Epstein files? Some rabbi having incestuous relations with a young jew? What do you want people to post exactly?

>>17854
What does it say on my post? Repeat it verbatim.

>>17867
Even the term crime is wide ranging, especially according to the law of a given country. I gave you a wide variety of topics of crimes committed by Jews. Are you saying that these examples are not crimes? If not then what topic do you want other people to post pictures about? There are other categories that could be added such as organ smuggling, White people slavery (past and current), rape and pedophilia (it's not all about Epstein after all), mRNA and HRT business (not declared a crime per se but that's how we see it on that side of the fence), financing feminism and abortion, etc. What kind of crimes do you want people to post pictures of?

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>>17868
Let's try again. What does it say here? Please repeat it verbatim.

>>17869
Why can't you answer the question? All you need to say is what you consider to be criminal and which crime topic you prefer and that's it. People will know what to look for. Asking for an archive link is not necessary though, not everyone knows where some graphic or article screen capture they may have saved a while ago comes from, although if enough information is readable in the picture, like the news' title, author or website, it might be recovered from one of the online archives by cross checking. Considering that such links are seldom given when pictures are posted, I say pictures about those crimes shall be more than enough. But first define what you're looking for.

>>17869
Hello?
>>17873

>>17876
>runs away when pressed
Looks like Orlog's favorite barking dog just evaporated. How surprising.
Until the next time folks!

>>17851
((( Orlog ))) bans you for saying that the jews control the media

>>17853
>despite your moral ban
There is nothing moral aboutit. ((( orlog ))) lied that I engaged in spam. What I did was I felt I was too impolite to a certain anon so I deleted my post and re-wrote a better one. That is not spam and thus ((( Orlog ))) reveals that he is driven by ulterior motives, anti-White motives.
The reason why ((( Orlog ))) banned me is because he is obsessed with keeping White men weak. I am the most articulate proponent of doing something more than posting online. This is why I have inured the ire of the jew.

>what kind of organization do you have in mind?
Literally anything is superior to remaining impotent. The anti-White-organization shills are in their 30s or 40s and not one is engaging in lone wolf terrorism, nor will they. It's an idiotic pipe dream no different to cyuckservatives threatening to have a civil war whenever leftists win a debate.
However, at present, we are in the organization and growth phase of resistance. Full spectrum politics that includes everything from low level harassment against enemy leaders to legal suits against enemy policies/people, to engaging in local politics. Literally every thing is on the table.

As for Patriot Front, you have some sort of hate boner against them. They are by far the most successful White organization in America. That is because they don't do stupid shit like parade around with guns and make explosives they won't use.

>>17894
He'll be back. Hitler described this behavior

1. Someone posts something ((( Orlog )))) and other jews don't like
2. This kike or alt asks disingenuous questions
3. If he is asked an honest question, he stops posting.

It's a ((( derailment ))) tactic. Only a jew behaves so dishonestly.

>>17900
You are clearly just some retarded derad kike spamming the board. Hope your death jab kills you with turbo cancer soon. You are a loser btw.

>>17908
There is nothing more de-radicalization than banning everyone who says we should do more than whine online.

>>17900
Ooh–It sadly pretty much checks out. I may be wrong on this but I think he was already cornered by some other anon he was exchanging blows with a week or two ago, was also asked questions and asked to morally legitimize his constant sniggering and harassment iirc, and just dropped. This insufferable behavior really makes this secluded place hard to enjoy and I wouldn't be surprised if this was causing some exodus. We often wonder how we could have people come here but what's the point when the current ecosystem can't even deal with roaches like him?
>in b4 you said exodus so ur a kike
>>17908
If you want to kill people I don't think a clearnet but small board is going to give you much here, although you can always share your material assuming you don't die or surrender on purpose. The thirst for unaliving enemies is sane but like anything there are different ways to make it happen. Some are really retarded and ineffective.

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>>17919
>((( Orlog ))) bans more and more people for calling him out on his anti-White stances

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Orlog is either a fed or a niner faggot who started this place to groom young white men into committing fruitless terror attacks. I miss 16chan

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>>18098
Good, you nazis deserve the intelligence assets assigned here. May every WIGNATfemboy get ravaged by Jamal in prison after their failed terror attacks, amen.

>>18099
>>18098
Looks like /leftypol/ is back again, after steadfastedly denying it the other day. Those videos of your tranny mods sucking dick and making pig squealing noises are archived (and easily procurable) you know.

>>18099
>Be too autistic to socialize
>Be very online as a result
>Discover 4chan
>Become addicted to tranny porn and Nazi posting
>Do mass shooting
Many such cases. Could have been me except my IQ isn't low enough to throw my life away pissing in the wind

If any of you are considering terrorism, remember: for every non you kill, 100 will immigrate legally tomorrow, even under a Republican administration. The cure to white genocide is state power, although that doesn't necessarily mean winning elections
>>18100
>Everyone who criticizes me is leftypol
Maybe you're just retarded whorelog. Have you ever thought of that?

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>>18101
I allow you to come here and speak, don't throw your nigger-loving shit at me by assuming everyone who opposes, or speaks against you, is me.
If I wanted to argue with you, I would and you wouldn't stand a chance, to me, you're boring, infantile and incapable of holding an argument, no, a thought, worthy of my attention.

>>18104
That sounds like something someone who didn't have an argument would say

>>18101
Listen you colossal fag nigger, you are definitely 100% /leftypol/. Why are you even trying to hide this with your unfunny and uncreative attempts at trolling? There's infinite tells, which reveal your own psychology, despite pretending to be someone who has spent years in fascist or National Socialist or ethno-nationalist circles (you very obviously have not). I'm (briefly) going to detail some of your errors:
- You think we give two flying shits about Republicans. NS and other movements outside of the two party bloc system are classified as third-positionist for a reason. If you knew even a fraction about history or politics, you'd know why conservatives of any modern nation in the West and Republicans in the U.S. are simply seen as an enemy and more cowardly version of you, the hardline progressive and leftist. You are both leftists; the conservative simply can't commit to anything but Israel, and surrenders his rights to you permanently more and more every generation.
- You genuinely believe the tranny 'muh nazi' meme. This is absurd as stating National Socialism is pro-jewish, and it simply is not true, being counter to the core tenets. Transgenderism with surgery was invented by a jew by the name of Magnus Hirschfield, who also led the first two international LGBT organizations in history: guess who the National Socialists burnt the books of, exiled, and executed if their crimes were particularly heinous against children? Your le heckin' nazis are well-known in your very own propaganda for being obsessed with family building, maintaining the family structure, and a firm revulsion of sexual perversion after dealing with the Weimar years stuffed with jew-peddled pornography, prostitution of boys and girls and mothers with daughters, organized pedophile groups, and worse which are detailed by PRO-LEFTIST, PRO-JEWISH authors -- do you seriously think we'd tolerate this, either historically or in the contemporary day?
- You label fighting back in any way as terrorism, despite watching and celebrating niggers burning down your cities and dark-skinned animal rapefugees raping your women. We have videos with audio posted here, showing that it is FULLY LEGAL to burn and stab women of only one race to death, while all other violence is blamed on us Europeans and made illegal (when it's not simply made up and imagined as in 99% of all cases). This is protesting to you, but if it's Europeans doing it for our own future and security by protesting these animals such as yourself, it's terrorism.

There's countless other tells, which I won't go into. Look at yourself: snickering and lying about who you are, on a space for debating honestly about what is true. The most offensive thing is that you genuinely thought you were being clever, despite immediately standing out as a liar. I can't even imagine trolling /lgbt/ on 4fags (your native board), yet you come here to do so. Could it be your rainbow-colored fag brethren are missing a fundamental human element, which we possess here?

>>18105
Considering nothing worthy of the word argument was presented, how could i argue back? Furthermore, why would I waste my time on someone who isn't worth arguing?
You're just a retard throwing insults around as if they mean anything, and BTW if you knew anything you'd know that I managed /fascist/ on 16 in the months before it went down, because FASHBO decided his college or some other bullshit was more important than the board. He came back shortly before 16 went down and then nuked the bunker he had on 8chan after for reasons I neither know nor can fathom.

>- You think we give two flying shits about Republicans. NS and other movements outside of the two party bloc system are classified as third-positionist for a reason. If you knew even a fraction about history or politics, you'd know why conservatives of any modern nation in the West and Republicans in the U.S. are simply seen as an enemy and more cowardly version of you, the hardline progressive and leftist. You are both leftists; the conservative simply can't commit to anything but Israel, and surrenders his rights to you permanently more and more every generation.
Or, to put it more laconically, "What have progressives progressed? What have conservatives conserved?"

>- You label fighting back in any way as terrorism, despite watching and celebrating niggers burning down your cities and dark-skinned animal rapefugees raping your women. We have videos with audio posted here, showing that it is FULLY LEGAL to burn and stab women of only one race to death, while all other violence is blamed on us Europeans and made illegal (when it's not simply made up and imagined as in 99% of all cases). This is protesting to you, but if it's Europeans doing it for our own future and security by protesting these animals such as yourself, it's terrorism.
They're very open about hating White people and wanting us disempowered, tortured, punished, starved and made extinct. It's when we start pointint it out ourselves and resisting the idea, let alone make overtures about fighting back, that they squeal like cock-sucking stuck pigs in panic. They know exactly what it means for them if we stop just taking their shit and start pushing back.

>>18109
>Or, to put it more laconically, "What have progressives progressed? What have conservatives conserved?"
Due to the influence of Hegel, a lot of normies and progressives themselves tacitly accept that they are on The Road of Progress and that all of human history is a continual process of purer ethics, morality, and 'progress'. From this lens, the argument of "what have the progressives progressed?" ceases to have its bite (it's unconvincing), since progressives and hyper-leftists do indeed already believe they are progressing something. I find it better and more accurate to simply state that conservatives give up their ground over time, already embracing fags, trannies, niggers, univeralist religions and creeds, foreign brown gods, and so forth -- this is far easily provable, so in terms of rhetoric, reminding leftists and conservatives alike that they are much more similar to each other than not is the better argument, insult, and rhetoric point.

A broader analogy (I'm quoting no one; these are my own thoughts and words) is that ethno-ultranationalists and related adherents are best described as preservationists, rather than conservationists. Conservatives (both historically and contemporarily) are the sand, which may indeed make pretty and bold sandcastles, but they are always swept away by the progressive hordes and sea waters in the end. It is the rock and mountain, the preservationist, that stands for billions of years despite the sea moving things around or erosion. That too is Evola's meaning, when he suggests traditionalism (ideals) still being a bold and radical thing to cling to regardless of living in a pure black and chaos-filled jewish era as we do.

This is all a long-winded way of me saying that  challenging progressives on the progress thing seems like bad propaganda (in terms of efficiency). Truthfully pointing out the extreme common ground of conservatives and leftists works better, regardless of audience, for future reference.

Rightwing politics is a dead end.
What constitutes rightwing politics today?
- Christianity
- Nationalism / Race
- Right libertarianism

Rightwingers are cursed in being rightwingers.
1st, it is married to Christianity.
2nd, people have proven too capricious for nationalism.
3rd, right libertarians disorganization and pastoralist vibes will render rightwingers impotent.
2/3 of the rightwing is useless and (to be frank) are too distracted and swayed by e-peens.
Whenever I see something is trending amongst rightwingers, it is futile and utterly a triviality. Even harmful.
It is a blackpill, but honestly who couldn't be blackpilled?

>>18114
>Rightwing
Part of why fascism/NS is called 'third position' is because it throws away the left/right dichotomy. In that vein, yes, the "right wing" is useless to our goals.

>>18109
>What have progressives progressed?
Nothing that we love or want.
>What have conservatives conserved?
Nothing that we love or want.

>>18112
>Due to the influence of Hegel
YAAAAAWN

>>18117
>YAAAAAWN
He invented the theory of history being a continual line of progress, you uneducated double-dipping arch-nigger. This is the most common normie and jewish position.

>>18118
The posters here haven't even read Mein Kampf. You'd be lucky if they've even read SEEJ. Bold of you to assume they'd even be able to comprehend Hegel
>>18114
Fascism is right-wing simply by virtue of the fact that leftists consider fascists far-right
Insisting you're a turd positionist is splitting hairs at best and will correctly be read as cowardice and deceit at worst
Also in the French Revolutionary context right-wing = support for monarchy (natural hierarchy) and left-wing = support for democracy / rule by vaishyas and shudras. Hence the leader principle (and especially Italian or Spanish fascism) are right-wing in spirit
>>18106
learn to reddit space newfag I can't even read your schizopost

>>18122
>Insisting you're a turd positionist is splitting hairs at best and will correctly be read as cowardice and deceit at worst
There you have it--not being a retarded campist means being a "coward".

>>18100
>Those videos of your tranny mods sucking dick and making pig squealing noises are archived (and easily procurable) you know.
Stop projecting your troon fantasies onto us. If those so called videos were real ie not a disguised fetish projection, you would've posted them or at the least archive links that lead to them. Typical NeetSocTranny, hope Jamal has fun with your boypussy when you inevitably get sent to prison.

>>18118
>He invented the theory of history being a continual line of progress
And? Who gives a shit about muh theory of linear something? I don't need any of this to understand what I see and where we're going.
>>18122
>Also in the French Revolutionary context right-wing = support for monarchy (natural hierarchy) and left-wing = support for democracy 
The right and left wings love democracy. The only sides that hate it are the radical lefts and rights. Period. You're insanely dumb if you can't even know that by now, it's Politics 101.

>>18122
>The posters here haven't even read Mein Kampf. You'd be lucky if they've even read SEEJ. Bold of you to assume they'd even be able to comprehend Hegel
Hegel isn't relevant because whether he's the originator of the dumbass idea of the continual line of progress or not, most people do not know or care, where it comes from. That dumbass idea is suffused into everything from christniggerism(it's real origin) and normalfag culture, to supposed NS and fascist groups, Sure humanity has continually progressed from the stone age on, but it's also collapsed in on itself so many times it belies the truth, we still have Christniggers who think the Dark ages were a myth, and that the church preserved all the knowledge despite all the evidence pointing to them literally destroying any and all knowledge that didn't aid them and losing through their love of ignorance much that might have, 
Also most of the boards regulars have read Mein Kampf, and Orlog has recommended Siege many a time, if they haven't read them, and so much else, by now that's on them, who gives a fuck?
>Fascism is right-wing simply by virtue of the fact that leftists consider fascists far-right
NS and Fascists do not define ourselves by what our enemies say and do, who gives a fuck what leftists think?
Italian and Spanish Fascism failed specifically because they chose to attempt reforming their system rather than completely exterminating their royal families, and both allowed christianity too deep a place in their lives, this is one of the primary reasons I do not view Spaniards or Italians and increasingly the French as White.

>>18130
>we still have Christniggers who think the Dark ages were a myth, and that the church preserved all the knowledge despite all the evidence pointing to them literally destroying any and all knowledge that didn't aid them and losing through their love of ignorance much that might have
They spout that line whenever they're not salivating and jerking off about how based it was that muh crusades killed all the White pagans and destroyed their "satanic" holy sites and whatnot. Doublethink's one hell of a drug.

>>18129
>And? Who gives a shit about muh theory of linear something? I don't need any of this to understand what I see and where we're going.
Because, you retard, the post was to an audience of presumably educated third-positionists for what is a better and more effective sell in terms of propaganda (relaying the truth in a way that most people understand). I hope to god you aren't an actual third-positionist but instead one of the trolls or leftyniggers currently raiding us, because you are the brazilian 68 IQ brown shitskin ape meme incarnate. It becomes tiresome sharing any dialogue space with you simians.

I so frequently forget that the Internet and even spaces such as this are stuffed to the gills with brown and jewish sub-animals, instead of educated ethnic White Europeans and East Asians (humans) as it was in decades prior.

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>>18133
<Blah blah blah
We've had enough of your thinly veiled attempts at shilling abrahamist theology under the guise of "muh German idealism" or "muh actual idealism". You leftypol infiltrators are easy to spot. I'd rather goon to 10hrs+ of smut compilations while stretching my Asian wife with a dark dildo, than listen to your brown negroid hebrew semetic drivel.

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>>18136
Lol.

>>15663 (OP) 
Probably my most unpopular opinion is this:
- The Right's descent into idolizing Evola and Perennialism is unproductive and useless in relation to key issues it is actually trying to resolve practically speaking.
- The descent with the metaphysicians will likely return us to the problems we have with Christianity in its own ways and given the main religion (Christianity) will only bolster religious reactionaries and conservatives and the problems with them.
- Particularly, Evola's criticism of Fascism and Natsoc is appealing to some, but comes off as an ivory tower intellectual without appreciating the historical circumstances that brought about such political ideologies.
- Modern ideologies like Fascism / Natsoc / Nietzcheans are actually more beneficial in thie present circumstance.

An Evolian mutters to me,
>Natsoc has failed
>Fascism has failed
>They're muh modern ideologies
When the only reason we're gathered here today is due to those ideologies and hardly because of Evola.
I can't help but view the perennialists as stuck up piggybackers riding off the backs of the movements they ridicule...

Again, I have to mutter this:
Rightwingers are cursed in being rightwingers.
So much useless baggage and counter-productive obsessions.

>>18139
>>18140
>>18141
Not a direct refutation of your points, but I believe they are a suitable indirect refutation in a few ways:
>The Right's descent into idolizing Evola and Perennialism is unproductive and useless in relation to key issues it is actually trying to resolve practically speaking.
As far as I know, Evola's resurgence and popularity is due to his fairly recent translations into English, so anything he says will seem wild and infinitely beneficial by contrast to our modern ears given the endless quagmire of jewish life-and-planet-destroying poison strangling vapor which all contemporary art, culture, society, philosophy, science, and religion are now possessed by. Endless excellent material in German, some Italian, some French lies untapped in regard to third-positionist thought (I take this viewpoint from Greg Conte), which we can include Perennialism under. Following such lines of thinking, since philosophy has basically been arrested and halted since 1945, we'll need to dig into forgotten and untranslated material and examine the thinking of the minds from that era and before (rejecting the poisonous jewish nonsense which led us to dwell in one of the evil dimensions of Man in the High Castle called our present reality). Therein lies salvation for key issues even if Evola is wrong or much better alternatives (presently unknown) exist, since at least the practice will be on good foundation (digging through the works of the best minds belonging to our ancestors up until that recent disastrous loss in the battle for mankind's soul in the mid-20th century, reading and absorbing what they have to say, before improving upon it and contributing ourselves).

>The descent with the metaphysicians will likely return us to the problems we have with Christianity in its own ways and given the main religion (Christianity) will only bolster religious reactionaries and conservatives and the problems with them.
Metaphysicians are the core of European White Western thought, going back to Aristotle, Plato, and many others from the superior non-Christian past. Tossing them out because BLM / Antifa for Rome decided to poorly ape the tradition is no reason at all to toss it.

>Particularly, Evola's criticism of Fascism and Natsoc is appealing to some, but comes off as an ivory tower intellectual without appreciating the historical circumstances that brought about such political ideologies.
Correct, but Evola is enjoyed precisely because he's seen and recognized as a justified snob and intellectual, towering above others, even grudgingly by the most kike-nosed faggot in academia or elsewhere (and one of the few third-positionists permitted to be discussed and cited). He serves as a battering ram to the exhaustingly universe-corrosive force called jewish thought and jewry which is all-invasive and pervasive in our wicked and decayed kike age, as stated before. 

>Rightwingers are cursed in being rightwingers. So much useless baggage and counter-productive obsessions.
I firmly and resoundingly reject the left-wing dichotomy, and like many others, stated why it simply does not work to call us such. Regardless, I will challenge you even within this absurd framework: first, you fail already by considering conservatism right-wing earlier. It is not; it is hard-line progressive left-wing thought with a foot on the brake (to paraphrase a different anon on here) or a cowardly and uncommitted form of progressive leftism (my own words). This is provably so, given the consistent pattern of surrendering and ceding of rights every generation. The last time conservatism could be argued to be right-wing, is when the left-wing was right-wing! How else could the conservatives protest an issue that the radical progressives first wished to break away from, to first truly defend tradition and right-wing values? And with their countless losses over the generations, being yesterday's rabid left-wing radicals by any analysis, how can conservatives and similar thinkers be called anything but left-wing?

Two: although I'm sure some rare cases exist of left-wing nationalism, absolutely no cases of any true right-wing exist without nationalism -- and nationalism simply does not exist in any country or nation in the West. Take any country such as the United States and their ultimate loyalty is to a foreign country, race, and military across the planet, by very definiton and act not being nationalistic, thus not right-wing. From a jew's point-of-view, it's certainly nationalism (with their loyalty to kikelandia), but certainly not from the stance or viewpoint of any of the core native historical ethnic population of a state (the only true citizens of a country). Already right here, we've tossed away and ablated so much that is baggage and falls under counter-productive obsession.

Thirdly and finally: the point is ultimately moot. Within your framework, right-wing thought contains counter-semitism (violent anti-semitism / military counter-intelligence) and pro-tribalism (violent racism / military intelligence) -- and both are needed to survive for Ethnic Europeans to escape the jewish heel, slay and destroy that khazarian-polish imitation sandnigger mutt dragon, restore themselves in their natural place as a master race, and ironically better the lives of all races / preserve the species as a whole. Left-wing thought can't do this, as it doesn't contain both vital ingredients (racism and destruction of all things jewish), so it can't be seriously adopted.

>>18133
No need for pompous books to measure real progress, of which the last time we had any was in the 30s and it was more of a return to sanity before ever attempting anything more ambitious, and even that was rejected by half of the White world. Whether Hegel wrote something or is a brand of waffles stuffed with jam makes no difference to me and is boring.
>>18139
Evola had a huge axe to grind with Christianity. He certainly explored similar topics to Perennialists but followed his own path.
He was all for a pagan renaissance.
But he certainly neglected way too much the biological importance of all things, including that aspect of National Socialism.
Some people also say he was a fascist but I don't ever recall him making this claim.

>>18147
>No need for pompous books to measure real progress, of which the last time we had any was in the 30s and it was more of a return to sanity before ever attempting anything more ambitious, and even that was rejected by half of the White world. Whether Hegel wrote something or is a brand of waffles stuffed with jam makes no difference to me and is boring.
How are you this stupid? The point has nothing to do with Hegel himself; it was cited merely as a vehicle that Hegel's viewpoint is the established narrative in the modern contemporary mind. That's it; that's all. It was proper citation. Goddamn namefags. You autistically navel-gazed on a single citation, part of a larger bridge of establishing credentials that progressives and normies (the enemy) still think they're progressing towards something positive -- and so it's not good propaganda to ask 'of what do the progressives progress?', because they are indeed progressing towards something with the additional endpoint being something good in their own minds (which comes from Hegel).

All this and you ignored the actual point and argument to adopt a pretentious quarter-wit air, you arch-nigger monkey-pox-ridden namefag.

>Some people also say he was a fascist but I don't ever recall him making this claim.
He claimed he was a supra-fascist (interpreted as either ultra-fascist or else of a philosophy so thoroughly encompassing it, to the point of being beyond it); it's one of his most famous quotes. This is why being an illiterate retard does not pay off, in your case. We may dismiss all your points until you actually read basic shit.

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>>18144
>going back to Aristotle, Plato, and many others from the superior non-Christian past.
I don't think it's worthwhile--returning to a kind of toothless scholasticism (lacking the institutional power of the Church) where RW discussion becomes /lit/ centered on their saints like Evola, Guenon, Yukio Mishima, Leo Strauss, Oswald Spengler,  and an academic cabal centered on the latest floaty esotericism and TBH encouraging a great amount of useless superstitious nonsense.
How should I put it...
Nostalgia and this fetish of the past is partially why rightwingers are cursed.
As for Platonism, it doesn't even engage with the aspects complementary and innovative to our political ideologies like Fascism and Natsoc, but outright rejects everything wholesale in a wry reactionary impulse, snubbing it as "populism" and "quantity" and other conventional words.
Hypothetically...
If the whole imagery and spectacle of Fascism, Hitler and the Third Reich, and race politics disappeared for sheer mysticism, it would effectively be as if /x/ and /lit/ had a baby. What would we be left with without everything Evola condemns? I swear it would be a shell of its former self.
Lastly, demanding a strict adherence to a very harsh & intense class stratification and an Indian caste system (instead of muh modern democratic and nationalist sentiment) for all the appeal to Tradition has practically zero appeal. It will become another useless anachronism we have decided to focus on. This will only make a reverse /leftypol/ where instead of bottom-up class antagonism it is top-down class antagonism of a priestly and elitist cliqueism and partiality. It will divide a city against itself with feuding and partisanship no better honestly than if that city was multicultural because IMHO intense class stratification and caste being the focus has the same effect as dividing a city on account of multiculturalism and race. Except instead of people resenting niggers and foreigners, it will be resenting people due to their class which has made people alien to themselves yet again.

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& if you don't believe me that focusing on intense class stratification and caste systems will lead to civil strife and class antagonism--that is what effectively JEWS are! What separates Jews from other races? The Jews see themselves as a universal priestly tribe destined to rule the nations--the hatred towards Jews is based on their perception of being a priestly ruler caste over us.
How does that not come to the same effect as multiculturalism / racial strife and resentment?

If Hitler and Mussolini failed, I'd say that Julian the Apostate -- who would be the archtypical neoplatonist -- also failed in curbing Christianity and paganism became outdated in the time by adapting to the reforms that Christianity already implement... but among them was the popular appeal and Christianity triumphed partially due to its appeal to the poor and accommodating nature.
It'd be a bad idea, then, to just turn back to paganism without accounting for the success of Christianity which dominated for the past thousand years. Yes, Fascism and Hilterism were outgrowths after the decline of Christendom, but that historical perspective is what makes them armed to our contemporary world far more than winding the clock back to an overly idealistic anachronism...

>>18148
>How are you this stupid? The point has nothing to do with Hegel himself; it was cited merely as a vehicle that Hegel's viewpoint is the established narrative in the modern contemporary mind. That's it; that's all. It was proper citation. Goddamn namefags. You autistically navel-gazed on a single citation, part of a larger bridge of establishing credentials that progressives and normies (the enemy) still think they're progressing towards something positive -- and so it's not good propaganda to ask 'of what do the progressives progress?', because they are indeed progressing towards something with the additional endpoint being something good in their own minds (which comes from Hegel).
Nobody gives a shit about Shegel. Your next army of warriors won't need to know that someone somewhere wrote some book that says yesterday was always worse. Future is only as good as the gain you bring to it.
>arch-nigger monkey-pox-ridden namefag.
Make it longer please.
>He claimed he was a supra-fascist (interpreted as either ultra-fascist or else of a philosophy so thoroughly encompassing it, to the point of being beyond it); it's one of his most famous quotes. This is why being an illiterate retard does not pay off, in your case. We may dismiss all your points until you actually read basic shit.
That fascist, not the Fascist that is Italian then, which he didn't like to be related to.

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>>18151
They all failed otherwise we wouldn't be having these talks, but they brought positive bits we can combine together to build a better weapon.

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>>18159
I was talking to an Evola fag earlier who mutters,

>He [(You)] even imagines that the ancient sovereign order Julian sought to restore, an order originating in primordial antiquity, descending from above, prospering and successfully renewing itself throughout an entire historical cycle before finally meeting its terminus in Christianity, can remotely be compared with the failed warfare of a materialist National Socialist/Fascist project;

It's laughable, because everyone on /pol/ is there precisely because of Hitler and "materialist National Socialism/Fascism project".
Even the pagan anons are there primarily because of Hitler and not because of Julian the Apostate and neoplatonism.
Even the discussion basically centers on Natsoc topics.
I feel like Evola acolytes don't lead the discussion to anywhere better, yet they ride on the coat tails of the Natsoc anons--not the other way around.
They piggyback on and condemn natsoc and fascism... only to mutter to "look up" and rebuff about a "higher" discussion we could be having, but it just ends in woohoo and academic snubbery. 
This kind of intellectualism is what Fascists warned about... and so far they have been pretty much vindicated in what they warned us about, but sadly people have not heeded their warnings and not this kind of intellectualism tries to wrangle and lead the discussion from what was already green pastures... to irrelevant pastures... it has effectively turned anons into the worst kind of conservatives, like another Jacob Rees-Mogg minus his Christianity.

Fascist Anti-Intellectualism:
>Fascism understands that; it disdains culture that is only ornament and adornment. Fascism seeks a culture in which the spirit is armed and reinforced in order to prevail in ever-new battles. That is, and must be, our barbarism—a barbarity of intellectuals. It is a barbarism against science and, above all, against philosophy—but, let it be clearly understood, against the science and philosophy of decadents, of the spineless, of those who forever remain at the window and content themselves with criticism as if [life’s struggle] was not their affair!

>I was prepared to speak to the congress of Fascist intellectuals about this trait of Fascism, of which no Fascist more than the intellectual has need to comprehend. In this regard. Professor Piccoli, whom you today have heard speak against intellectualism. has perfect reason. All intellectuals are naturally drawn to that illness of the spirit that is intellectualism. Intellectualism involves that malady as a consequence of which the human being is slowly led to neglect to participate, always and in every fashion, in life, with its joys, its pains, and all its responsibilities. The individual ends with the conviction that he is a simple spectator, located somewhere beyond good and evil. It is an illness to which the human spirit has been exposed in every time and in every nation, but which (and we do well to remember) it has nested for centuries within the spirit of Italians and has corroded and devastated the roots of every generous activity, of every proposal and courageous magnanimity.

>It is necessary to be very clear. Fascism is war against intellectualism. The Fascist spirit is will. It is not intellect. I hope that I will not be misunderstood. Fascist intellectuals should not be intellectuals. Fascism combats, and must combat, without respite or pity, not intelligence, but intellectualism—which is, as I have indicated, a sickness of the intellect—which is not the consequence of its abuse, because the intellect cannot be used too much. Rather it derives from the false belief that one can segregate oneself from life, to idle with systems of empty ideas, blind to the tragedy of human beings who work, love, suffer and die. For those who understand, there is the place for intelligence—where there is drama, the struggle of man against mystery, the effort to control nature, and intensify life. [One can understand] that intelligence too is will.

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To add to what I already said, I don't think there's a greater warning about what Fascism & Natsoc could potentially become -- if lead by that kind of intellectualism -- than how unsufferable e-monarchists have become as a whole to me.
There is no other group, IMHO, that illustrates what Fascism is warning about with intellectualism -- than e-monarchists!
Every appeal to intellectualism there has completely hindered and destroyed their confidence in monarchy to begin with!
I have to give it to Thomas Hobbes with just how bad it is.
...
I couldn't think of a better example.
I have spent 10+ years in those circles and my conviction is this:
Monarchists make the worst monarchists.
Why? Because everytime the topic of monarchy comes up, their first act is to dissect and destroy all confidence in monarchy to begin with!
What Hobbes warns about with scholasticism and "Aristotelity" couldn't be more biting than when I look at e-monarchist discussion...
I don't even know how to put into words... what I have seen for myself... to explain why it is so bad...

- 1. E-monarchists dawdle too strongly on the whole dichotomy of a "king" vs "tyrant" which is so fearsome that they end up prohibiting monarchy due to their fear of a tyrant. This only utterly SAPS all their confidence with monarchy intellectually!

- 2. E-monarchists have taken everything Aristotle says to heart that I could feign call them monarchists: they heed his corruption monarchy so they "check" and "balance" monarchy until it is effectively a monarchy no longer

- 3. E-monarchists dawdle on whether pretenders and royal houses and become the WORST FACTIONALISTS I have ever seen! What better monarchists Leninists make because they know factionalism is death! I am SERIOUS--Leninism has effectively planted better seeds--they could LEARN better from Leninism!

On top of that, they frickin' attach themselves to royal houses that are long dead and they should know better, but their nostalgia and intellectualism blinds them to the reality. They want to restore long dead dynasties that are 100+ years old on the basis of some defunct constitutionalism!  I honestly couldn't think of another better example than the absurdity of monarchist legitimatists... who moralize that their dynasties should be restored because of a pierce of paper... and who moralize even more to the destruction of said dynasties to begin with! contemplating whether they "deserve" to rule as if their input mattered.

A dynastic power has practically speaking 45 years to re-institute itself, but to be generous I'd give it a 100 years at most -- otherwise, that is miraculous thinking and hoping for the stuff of myths and legends -- because the Jacobites laid claim for about 100 years from 1688 to the death of Bonnie Prince Charlie in 1788 -- that is as generous as I'll grant to monarchist legitimatists, but their insanity makes them believe because they morally "deserve" to rule that even though centuries have past and generations of men are no longer even familiar... that their hour is still nigh!

I grant that this naive outlook of e-monarchists comes from Christianity and the optimism that Christ will soon...

- 4. E-monarchists act as if monarchy is something they have to pre-plan and deliberate to make happen--is there not another group that shows why deliberation and the concord of numerous hosts fails to any achievement? Monarchists have taken this to heart the most, and it has failed them critically in every single way. 

It certainly is not the convention of monarchists that makes monarchy--because otherwise that would be impossible.

- 5. So paradoxically speaking the best king is a king in all but name due to the incompetence of these people. The institution of "monarchy" comes with so much baggage that is itself antithetical to monarchy to begin with due to academic speak -- that the only proper king is a king who doesn't wear a Christian crown and doesn't call himself a king. 

No other political group does what e-monarchists do... but because the convention of "monarchy" is overladen with intellectualism and dry academic disputation... e-monarchists don't even support monarchy with the same ideological fanaticism and belief that moves actual living monarchies... because these people themselves wouldn't trust a king to ride a horse... and these people are the first to deliberate on whether a king deserves to live and whether madam gulliotine must be called... but in reality NOBODY in any other political group does this! the leninists don't have these intellectual discussions that "it's time to kill Lenin" or Hitlerists "it's time to sic semper tyrannis Hitler" -- because they have actual confidence and willpower to do, not to ask, not to ponder, not to intellectualize too much--as no ship will ever sail with a crew that incessantly asks, "Why?" and "How should I?" and "Why are you our captain?" and utterly lacks the obedience to set sail to the horizon.

They just do. It is almost instinctual, because these people are in a state of awe--you wouldn't expect any other faction or leader and followers to act this way! but because monarchists are such academic stooges weighed down against monarchy itself because they dawdle on these conventions to the great hindrance of their own monarchist ambitions... it's just a clownshow: what with these right libertarians leading the monarchist discussion and contemporary constitutional monarchism on r/monarchism and all the Tocquevillist slop being uttered and traded between them about the peril of absolute monarchy... has basically committed monarchists themselves against monarchy itself... so it is that monarchists make the worst monarchists and this day and age you'd be better off being a Leninist if your aim was a kind of monarchy as North Korea has miraculously shown. I'd even say Hitler makes a better monarchist than these people. Hitler criticizes parliamentarianism -- e-monarchists wouldn't touch that sacred cow. And they have violently pushed for and asserted Aristotle's political pluralism to the detriment of monarchy--so if there is ever going to be a monarchy, it's going to be completely accidental, because I wouldn't trust these people to plan it out--I'd rather just let things happen on their own and account on it happening by sheer accident than sooner trusting these people, because they have intellectualized themselves into a pit where they're absolutely convinced as e-monarchists that the last thing they actually seek to achieve is monarchy... and the contemporary appearance of royal eunuchs like Charles III is the sheer manifestation of all this to me embodied.

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>>18162
I mean, what Hobbes laments is fairly apt:
>In such a constitution of people, methinks, the King is already ousted of his government, so as they need not have taken arms for it. For I cannot imagine how the King should come by any means to resist them.

Because academic jargon has so thoroughly disarmed kings by their ridiculous pre-conceptions and TBH "baggage" -- I would call all the conventions and customary, academic thinking of monarchists to be "baggage" at this point. Useless, trivial, obstructing baggage.

If you want to be a monarchical ruler, you'd be better off with the revolutionaries, paradoxically said.

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Morally, the execution of the Romanov family is repulsive;
strategically, the Bolsheviks knew what they were doing and I have to admit it worked.
Not only because of it could fracture and dilute the claimants and because Machiavelli advised it, but primarily because they can count upon the stupidity of monarchists themselves.
They can't help themselves but to break into factionalism and dilute what pathetic claims to power they already had to begin with.
Like a bunch of gossiping hens they break into factions and even feel pride in this customary habit to diverge between royal houses like they're in a multi-party democracy and look between each royal house like their own political party and openly embrace the plurality and factionalism of it all--when the nature of monarchy demands swift and unifying arbitration, as this is not how deference to an arbiter happens, but they corrode the appeal to arbitration by dividing themselves more and more on their choice of pretender or arbiter.
Now the Romanov family has become a phantom they only praise because it is a convenient tool to juxtapose to Communism.
That deplorable state of the Romanov family and how they are only useful to stress moral outrage of communism and nothing else and conservative pundits looking to eyebrow at leftists -- overall reflects the pitiful state of monarchists and monarchy.

>>18165
Note* they're only loyal to the "Romanov family" when they're dead.
Not when they're alive.
That's all these monarchists ever do -- is show their loyalism to the land of the dead.

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>>18160
I read Celsus and Julian before I read Mein Kampf. Hell, I read Rumi and Sayyid Qutb before I read Mein Kampf.

Hitler was clearly building a new pagan elite via the Hitler Youth. It's a shame his project got cut short. I'm not going to blame him for stupid military decisions because I feel like his loss was nigh inevitable. The Jews simply commanded too much manpower and materiel in comparison.

However, I do think he failed to fully realize the urgency of destroying Christianity. Every materialist, populist movement needs its intellectuals to produce propaganda and convince other smart people to join the ranks. I think Evola was a bit of a sperg, but I don't think his contributions are totally without merit, either.

There's nothing wrong with being conservative in the sense of thumbing your nose at mob rule and expressing an appreciation for monarchy or priesthood.

>>18168
>Hitler was clearly building a new pagan elite via the Hitler Youth. It's a shame his project got cut short. I'm not going to blame him for stupid military decisions because I feel like his loss was nigh inevitable. The Jews simply commanded too much manpower and materiel in comparison.
On your note, I've never really understood the criticism of his military competency and prowess, besides: wasn't it enough that he was already the most famous artist in human history, was a remarkable architect, was noted for his astonishing civic and administration abilities (with no formal training in such), and being a fairly highly-decorated enlisted man who largely built his radical political theory and state governorship under the idea of it all being during peace time? But even some of his critics, of proven and undeniable world-class and all-time military genius such as Erich von Manstein, still refused to say he was incompetent at his military leadership. A nation would be impossibly blessed to be led by a man with a mere fraction of such talents, especially in light of no formal grooming for the role or real models to rely upon.

>>18166
That's all these monarchists ever do -- is show their loyalism to the land of the dead.
Well put. Anyway my unpopular opinion is that once judenfrei world is achieved we shouldn't take down the Internet, or even heavily curtail it, at least not to the extent our current nightmarish panopticon dystopia does, with the exception of killing social media as well as advertising networks and returning the general landscape to what it used to look like in the late 90s and early 00s. Yes, part of it is sentimentalist nostalgia, but after thinking about it for a long time I believe the anonymizing effect of the old internet tapped into a wellspring of unchecked, unfiltered spontaneity, a chaotic spirit that is difficult to find in physical space. I believe the unfiltered creativity and irreverence of the old internet is necessary, as a dose of chaos prevents everything from calcifying into stasis. In a roundabout way, it was discovering the internet that led me to discovering 4chan, in turn discovering 8chan years down the line, and through a long and winding road finding my way here. Something about being able to express your honest viewpoints without fear of punishment in your daily life speaks to the soul of man, at least some of them. Apologies for the rambling speech, I wrote it more or less on the fly without editing.

>>18168
>However, I do think he failed to fully realize the urgency of destroying Christianity. 
He didn't fail. He started the work. His SS were 100% pagan and were to be the future German elite.

>>18169
These talks about awkward military decisions are only done with hindsight. Germany was fated to fall, it was necessary. A great heroic fight and a splendid defeat, because if Germany had won it would have not cured the world to a sufficient extent.

>>18180
>Germany was fated to fall, it was necessary. 
I disagree entirely on both points.

>>18181
>a wild debate appears!

Shouldn't we go over both points then? What do you disagree with exactly?

>>18183
>fated to fall
Nothing is written in stone. I don't believe in prophecies or ontological inevitabilities. That winning WW2 against the kikes and their shabbos countries allied together against Germany was exceedingly hard even for the greatest of men to accomplish, that I can agree with. But fated? No. We can only say that in retrospective, and even that is a crude, churlish analysis. There's a long list of things that needed to go right for the ((( Allies ))) and wrong for the Axis for the former to prevail and the latter to lose. There were errors made on the part of Germany's top ranks, but in no way are those proof that Germany was "fated" to be defeated. 

>it was necessary
Necessary for what? What could justify the atrocities committed against the German people after their defeat and the horrors perpetrated upon the entire world in the wake of WW2? Were also the Weimar years necessary? Sure, the NSDAP arose from the ashes of Weimar, but all the suffering visited upon the German people was entirely unnecessary. There is nothing necessary about innocents suffering.

>>18168
>I read Celsus and Julian before I read Mein Kampf. Hell, I read Rumi and Sayyid Qutb before I read Mein Kampf.

>Hitler was clearly building a new pagan elite via the Hitler Youth

Well, you're the exception, -not- the rule.
Most other people are here because of Hitler and his ideas. Most discussion revolves around race, not paganism. And if people are discussing paganism, it is because Christianity is Jewish and pagnism is not Jewish.

>There's nothing wrong with being conservative in the sense of thumbing your nose at mob rule and expressing an appreciation for monarchy or priesthood.
To hiss the words "demagogue" at statesmen like Hitler for rallying people to his side -- and away from the arms of Marxists -- is useless conservatism.
To advocate class stratification and a super anachronistic return to feudalism and an Indian caste system and to sheer at "nationalism" like everyone is all peasants -- is useless conservatism.
To advocate only an elitist approach only as opposed to nationalism and its corporatist tendencies as expressed through a political party -- is also useless conversatism.
What political parties are today are what noble estates and royal houses were in the past--except instead of one royal house being preeminent over the other noble estates, it is one preeminent political party that will rule other political parties in corporatist fashion--there is no substantial difference there, because the same underlying organization is understood between royal absolutism and one-party state corporatism, which is to govern in a unitary fashion and consolidate it all. 

>Hitler was clearly building a new pagan elite via the Hitler Youth.
Hitler was building a new generaiton loyal to him and his ideas.
Hitler wasn't appealing to a wholly anachronistic return to paganism.

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I have to fully disagree with the anons who are expecting a 1:1 return to paganism exactly how it was over a thousand years ago.
People are often caught up in arguing what religion Hitler himself had, but that was besides the point. 
Hitler was innovative. He obviously wasn't a Christian integralist or fundamentalist, but I'd also stress that neither was Hitler appealing to a return to an ancient paganism.
That is an impossible nostalgia and anachronism.
You're no better than the Christians who thought Hitler would be another Charlemagne and restore Christendom in terms of missing the point.

You are muttering about a return to paganism and a "pagan elite".
The pagans in the past had none of what we have today.
To rely on them wholly would completely bypass the contemporary discussion of race which Hitler is more pertinent to. Not pagans a thousand or so years ago.
As for a "pagan elite", that is misunderstanding that an elite isn't loyal that way to paganism. The elite are loyal to themselves.

If paganism became politically useless and inconvenient, your precious elites would scrap it and probably be the first to betray it.

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>expressing an appreciation for monarchy
Mostly devolves into being a kind of Tocquevillism, which isn't an appreciation for monarchy (the rule of one), but rather for oligarchy (the rule of the few); it goes completely against what Homer says.

>or priesthood
In anachronistic terms*
In terms that arbitrarily favor any priesthood*

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I have been in the monarchist scene for over a decade, so don't lecture me about monarchy because you read Evola. 
Having been proactively among monarchists themselves for years, I can tell you how counterproductive that is to the design of monarchy. Just look at r/monarchism. And besides r/monarchism, the integralists and Christian traditionalists are also hopeless. Considering r/monarchism and the Christian integralists, that is all the contemporary monarchist scene is known for.

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The contemporary revolutionaries -- as corporatists -- such as the Marxist Leninists and Fascists... they make far better monarchists than this sorry lot on r/monarchism and among X Twitter traditionalists. It is as I call it "modern medicine for the modern mind" and no "traditional medicine" is going to be willingly swallowed no matter how badly you want a return to an ancient regime fully.
It is also no accident that these regimes stress the Leader principle or end up stress the preeminence of one person over a few. It is not really a coincidence that they end up being dictatorships. These effectively are your "modern monarchies", which isn't as some of r/monarchism thinks belongs to royal eunuchs and the so-called institution of "constitutional monarchy" -- all that represents is the defeat and resignation of the Christendom of old, not a "modern monarchy" as the actual "modern monarchies" come from the corporatist regimes or bonapartists.
All traditionalists do is replace multi-parties with multi-noble estates--they don't deviate in principle from the ideal of political pluralism and a partnership of clans, but stress the same idea as contemporary democracy except with noble houses instead of political parties.
The corporatists understand like absolute monarchists the appeal to Homer's monarchist maxim that it is better to have one master and not many or a few masters in a state. Even Plato in Republic basically advocated Corporatism.
Yet contemporary monarchists abhor corporatism and abhor absolute monarchy on the same basis.
Now "dictatorship" you traditionalists see no more than "tyranny" because it doesn't have a anachronistic priesthood in archaic cloth or arbitrarily appeals to religious law, but instead have their own revolutionary priesthood and different costumes and political ideology.
Because traditionalists tend to be Tocquevillists (and thereby Aristotelian in their politics), they hate one-party corporatism and they hate absolute monarchy, because they actually don't believe a political constitution should be lead monarchically and think that itself is a kind of corruption. They have the same disease as Hoppe has (and aren't actually monarchistic for the same reason Hoppe isn't).
The communists and fascists make better monarchists because unlike constitutional monarchists and traditionalists they don't abide by custom and pageantry for custom and pageantry's sake, but know an institution's lifeblood is not the customs and pageantry but the men who uphold and build these customs and pageantry. More importantly, these communists and fascists actually believe in the leaders. Contemporary monarchists don't. Like I already addressed, they take to heart all the academic baggage that tells them not to have a monarchy and are drunk off the propaganda of regimes opposed to monarchies anyways.

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There is no further proof to me that monarchists make the worst monarchists and that revolutionary regimes have ended up becoming better and more adequately called "modern monarchies" than that Kaiser Wilhelm II himself chastises Hitler for effectively being more of a monarchical ruler than himself.
Or that contemporary monarchists are swayed by what George Orwell has to say.
Kaiser Wilhelm II says disdainfully,
>And the man who, alone incorporates in himself this whole State
That is what a monarchy is.
Forget the "God to honor" and "dynasty to conserve" because this is an epoch where reverence for God is lacking but the need for a monarchistic ruler is ever-present as Machiavelli suggests that where the fear of God is lacking then the fear of a prince is necessary. Kaiser Wilhelm II owes his monarchy to his dynasty and couldn't have ruled Germany on the basis of this religion which divides his dominion and destroys his monarchy--the Prussian state had tried and failed to incorporate the denominations and Hitler's apparent secularism and lack of a religious affiliation is the only pragmatic political approach.
Yet Wilhelm II hates Hitler for effectively being a monarchist ruler who incorporates the whole state in himself (which is a monarchy by defintion when one person has the sovereignty and incorporates the state in himself).
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Now Hitler himself even goes on to criticize parliamentary democracy--whcih is something traditional monarchists and contemporary constitutional monarchists would never do, favoring decentralized power and hating unitary politics, and preferring their petty political pluralism and anti-corporatism. You all look like Whigs compared to what Hitler has to say about parliamentarianism.

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Adolf Hitler concerning Austria's political situation: (criticizing parliamentarianism & democracy)
>Among the institutions which most clearly manifested unmistakable signs of decay, even to the weak-sighted Philistine, was that which, of all the institutions of State, ought to have been the most firmly founded–I mean the Parliament, or the Reichsrat (Imperial Council) as it was called in Austria.

>The pattern for this corporate body was obviously that which existed in England, the land of classic democracy. The whole of that excellent organization was bodily transferred to Austria with as little alteration as possible.

>There it was that Vienna encountered the first difficulty. When Hansen, the Danish architect, had completed the last gable of the marble palace in which the new body of popular representatives was to be housed he had to turn to the ancient classical world for subjects to fill out his decorative plan. This theatrical shrine of 'Western Democracy' was adorned with the statues and portraits of Greek and Roman statesmen and philosophers. As if it were meant for a symbol of irony, the horses of the quadriga that surmounts the two Houses are pulling apart from one another towards all four quarters of the globe. There could be no better symbol for the kind of activity going on within the walls of that same building

>The 'nationalities' were opposed to any kind of glorification of Austrian history in the decoration of this building, insisting that such would constitute an offence to them and a provocation. Much the same happened in Germany, where the Reich-stag, built by Wallot, was not dedicated to the German people until the cannons were thundering in the World War. And then it was dedicated by an inscription.

>I was not yet twenty years of age when I first entered the Palace on the Franzens-ring to watch and listen in the Chamber of Deputies. That first experience aroused in me a profound feeling of repugnance.

>I had always hated the Parliament, but not as an institution in itself. Quite the contrary. As one who cherished ideals of political freedom I could not even imagine any other form of government. In the light of my attitude towards the House of Habsburg I should then have considered it a crime against liberty and reason to think of any kind of dictatorship as a possible form of government.

>A certain admiration which I had for the British Parliament contributed towards the formation of this opinion. I became imbued with that feeling of admiration almost without my being conscious of the effect of it through so much reading of newspapers while I was yet quite young. I could not discard that admiration all in a moment. The dignified way in which the British House of Commons fulfilled its function impressed me greatly, thanks largely to the glowing terms in which the Austrian Press reported these events. I used to ask myself whether there could be any nobler form of government than self government by the people.

>But these considerations furnished the very motives of my hostility to the Austrian Parliament. The form in which parliamentary government was here represented seemed unworthy of its great prototype. The following considerations also influenced my attitude:

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Hitler on parliamentarianism continued.
>The fate of the German element in the Austrian State depended on its position in Parliament. Up to the time that universal suffrage by secret ballot was introduced the German representatives had a majority in the Parliament, though that majority was not a very substantial one. This situation gave cause for anxiety because the Social-Democratic fraction of the German element could not be relied upon when national questions were at stake. In matters that were of critical concern for the German element, the Social-Democrats always took up an anti-German stand because they were afraid of losing their followers among the other national groups. Already at that time–before the introduction of universal suffrage–the Social-Democratic Party could no longer be considered as a German Party. The introduction of universal suffrage put an end even to the purely numerical predominance of the German element. The way was now clear for the further 'de-Germanization' of the Austrian State.

>The national instinct of self-preservation made it impossible for me to welcome a representative system in which the German element was not really represented as such, but always betrayed by the Social-Democratic fraction. Yet all these, and many others, were defects which could not be attributed to the parliamentary system as such, but rather to the Austrian State in particular. I still believed that if the German majority could be restored in the representative body there would be no occasion to oppose such a system as long as the old Austrian State continued to exist.

>But I soon became enraged by the hideous spectacle that met my eyes. Several hundred representatives were there to discuss a problem of great economical importance and each representative had the right to have his say.

>That experience of a day was enough to supply me with food for thought during several weeks afterwards.

>The intellectual level of the debate was quite low. Some times the debaters did not make themselves intelligible at all. Several of those present did not speak German but only their Slav vernaculars or dialects. Thus I had the opportunity of hearing with my own ears what I had been hitherto acquainted with only through reading the newspapers. A turbulent mass of people, all gesticulating and bawling against one another, with a pathetic old man shaking his bell and making frantic efforts to call the House to a sense of its dignity by friendly appeals, exhortations, and grave warnings.

>I could not refrain from laughing

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Hitler continued:
>Then I began to reflect seriously on the whole thing. I went to the Parliament whenever I had any time to spare and watched the spectacle silently but attentively. I listened to the debates, as far as they could be understood, and I studied the more or less intelligent features of those 'elect' representatives of the various nationalities which composed that motley State. Gradually I formed my own ideas about what I saw.

>A year of such quiet observation was sufficient to transform or completely destroy my former convictions as to the character of this parliamentary institution. I no longer opposed merely the perverted form which the principle of parliamentary representation had assumed in Austria. No. It had become impossible for me to accept the system in itself. Up to that time I had believed that the disastrous deficiencies of the Austrian Parliament were due to the lack of a German majority, but now I recognized that the institution itself was wrong in its very essence and form.

>A number of problems presented themselves before my mind. I studied more closely the democratic principle of 'decision by the majority vote', and I scrutinized no less carefully the intellectual and moral worth of the gentlemen who, as the chosen representatives of the nation, were entrusted with the task of making this institution function.

>Once again these object-lessons taken from real life saved me from getting firmly entangled by a theory which at first sight seems so alluring to many people, though that theory itself is a symptom of human decadence.

>Democracy, as practised in Western Europe to-day, is the fore-runner of Marxism. In fact, the latter would not be conceivable without the former. Democracy is the breeding-ground in which the filth of the Marxist world pest can grow and spread. By the introduction of parliamentarianism, democracy produced an abortion of filth and fire (Note 6), the creative fire of which, however, seems to have died out.

>I am more than grateful to Fate that this problem came to my notice when I was still in Vienna; for if I had been in Germany at that time I might easily have found only a superficial solution. If I had been in Berlin when I first discovered what an illogical thing this institution is which we call Parliament, I might easily have gone to the other extreme and believed–as many people believed, and apparently not without good reason–that the salvation of the people and the Empire could be secured only by restrengthening the principle of imperial authority. Those who had this belief did not discern the tendencies of their time and were blind to the aspirations of the people.

>In Austria one could not be so easily misled. There it was impossible to fall from one error into another. If the Parliament were worthless, the Habsburgs were worse; or at least not in the slightest degree better. The problem was not solved by rejecting the parliamentary system. Immediately the question arose: What then? To repudiate and abolish the Vienna Parliament would have resulted in leaving all power in the hands of the Habsburgs. For me, especially, that idea was impossible.

>Since this problem was specially difficult in regard to Austria, I was forced while still quite young to go into the essentials of the whole question more thoroughly than I otherwise should have done.

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Hitler continues to make some critical complaints about parliamentarianism:
>The aspect of the situation that first made the most striking impression on me and gave me grounds for serious reflection was the manifest lack of any individual responsibility in the representative body.

>The parliament passes some acts or decree which may have the most devastating consequences, yet nobody bears the responsibility for it. Nobody can be called to account. For surely one cannot say that a Cabinet discharges its responsibility when it retires after having brought about a catastrophe. Or can we say that the responsibility is fully discharged when a new coalition is formed or parliament dissolved? Can the principle of responsibility mean anything else than the responsibility of a definite person?

>Is it at all possible actually to call to account the leaders of a parliamentary government for any kind of action which originated in the wishes of the whole multitude of deputies and was carried out under their orders or sanction? Instead of developing constructive ideas and plans, does the business of a statesman consist in the art of making a whole pack of blockheads understand his projects? Is it his business to entreat and coach them so that they will grant him their generous consent?

>Is it an indispensable quality in a statesman that he should possess a gift of persuasion commensurate with the statesman's ability to conceive great political measures and carry them through into practice?

>Does it really prove that a statesman is incompetent if he should fail to win over a majority of votes to support his policy in an assembly which has been called together as the chance result of an electoral system that is not always honestly administered.

>Has there ever been a case where such an assembly has worthily appraised a great political concept before that concept was put into practice and its greatness openly demonstrated through its success?

>In this world is not the creative act of the genius always a protest against the inertia of the mass?

>What shall the statesman do if he does not succeed in coaxing the parliamentary multitude to give its consent to his policy? Shall he purchase that consent for some sort of consideration?

>Or, when confronted with the obstinate stupidity of his fellow citizens, should he then refrain from pushing forward the measures which he deems to be of vital necessity to the life of the nation? Should he retire or remain in power?

>In such circumstances does not a man of character find himself face to face with an insoluble contradiction between his own political insight on the one hand and, on the other, his moral integrity, or, better still, his sense of honesty?

>Where can we draw the line between public duty and personal honour?

>Must not every genuine leader renounce the idea of degrading himself to the level of a political jobber?

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>And, on the other hand, does not every jobber feel the itch to 'play politics', seeing that the final responsibility will never rest with him personally but with an anonymous mass which can never be called to account for their deeds?

>Must not our parliamentary principle of government by numerical majority necessarily lead to the destruction of the principle of leadership?

>Or may it be presumed that for the future human civilization will be able to dispense with this as a condition of its existence?

>But may it not be that, to-day, more than ever before, the creative brain of the individual is indispensable?

Hitler continues.
>The parliamentary principle of vesting legislative power in the decision of the majority rejects the authority of the individual and puts a numerical quota of anonymous heads in its place. In doing so it contradicts the aristrocratic principle, which is a fundamental law of nature; but, of course, we must remember that in this decadent era of ours the aristocratic principle need not be thought of as incorporated in the upper ten thousand.

>The devastating influence of this parliamentary institution might not easily be recognized by those who read the Jewish Press, unless the reader has learned how to think independently and examine the facts for himself. This institution is primarily responsible for the crowded inrush of mediocre people into the field of politics. Confronted with such a phenomenon, a man who is endowed with real qualities of leadership will be tempted to refrain from taking part in political life; because under these circumstances the situation does not call for a man who has a capacity for constructive statesmanship but rather for a man who is capable of bargaining for the favour of the majority. Thus the situation will appeal to small minds and will attract them accordingly.

>The narrower the mental outlook and the more meagre the amount of knowledge in a political jobber, the more accurate is his estimate of his own political stock, and thus he will be all the more inclined to appreciate a system which does not demand creative genius or even high-class talent; but rather that crafty kind of sagacity which makes an efficient town clerk. Indeed, he values this kind of small craftiness more than the political genius of a Pericles. Such a mediocrity does not even have to worry about responsibility for what he does. From the beginning he knows that whatever be the results of his 'statesmanship' his end is already prescribed by the stars; he will one day have to clear out and make room for another who is of similar mental calibre. For it is another sign of our decadent times that the number of eminent statesmen grows according as the calibre of individual personality dwindles. That calibre will become smaller and smaller the more the individual politician has to depend upon parliamentary majorities. A man of real political ability will refuse to be the beadle for a bevy of footling cacklers; and they in their turn, being the representatives of the majority–which means the dunder headed multitude–hate nothing so much as a superior brain.

>For footling deputies it is always quite a consolation to be led by a person whose intellectual stature is on a level with their own. Thus each one may have the opportunity to shine in debate among such compeers and, above all, each one feels that he may one day rise to the top. If Peter be boss to-day, then why not Paul tomorrow?

>This new invention of democracy is very closely connected with a peculiar phenomenon which has recently spread to a pernicious extent, namely the cowardice of a large section of our so-called political leaders. Whenever important decisions have to be made they always find themselves fortunate in being able to hide behind the backs of what they call the majority.

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Hitler writes here:
>One truth which must always be borne in mind is that the majority can never replace the man. The majority represents not only ignorance but also cowardice. And just as a hundred blockheads do not equal one man of wisdom, so a hundred poltranshumanists are incapable of any political line of action that requires moral strength and fortitude

>The lighter the burden of responsibility on each individual leader, the greater will be the number of those who, in spite of their sorry mediocrity, will feel the call to place their immortal energies at the disposal of the nation. They are so much on the tip-toe of expectation that they find it hard to wait their turn. They stand in a long queue, painfully and sadly counting the number of those ahead of them and calculating the hours until they may eventually come forward. They watch every change that takes place in the personnel of the office towards which their hopes are directed, and they are grateful for every scandal which removes one of the aspirants waiting ahead of them in the queue. If somebody sticks too long to his office stool they consider this as almost a breach of a sacred understanding based on their mutual solidarity. They grow furious and give no peace until that inconsiderate person is finally driven out and forced to hand over his cosy berth for public disposal. After that he will have little chance of getting another opportunity. Usually those placemen who have been forced to give up their posts push themselves again into the waiting queue unless they are hounded away by the protestations of the other aspirants.

>The result of all this is that, in such a State, the succession of sudden changes in public positions and public offices has a very disquieting effect in general, which may easily lead to disaster when an adverse crisis arises. It is not only the ignorant and the incompetent person who may fall victim to those parliamentary conditions, for the genuine leader may be affected just as much as the others, if not more so, whenever Fate has chanced to place a capable man in the position of leader. Let the superior quality of such a leader be once recognized and the result will be that a joint front will be organized against him, particularly if that leader, though not coming from their ranks, should fall into the habit of intermingling with these illustrious nincompoops on their own level. They want to have only their own company and will quickly take a hostile attitude towards any man who might show himself obviously above and beyond them when he mingles in their ranks. Their instinct, which is so blind in other directions, is very sharp in this particular.

>The inevitable result is that the intellectual level of the ruling class sinks steadily. One can easily forecast how much the nation and State are bound to suffer from such a condition of affairs, provided one does not belong to that same class of 'leaders'.


>Though the Austrian Prime Minister was appointed by the King-Emperor, this act of appointment merely gave practical effect to the will of the parliament. The huckstering and bargaining that went on in regard to every ministerial position showed all the typical marks of Western Democracy. The results that followed were in keeping with the principles applied. The intervals between the replacement of one person by another gradually became shorter, finally ending up in a wild relay chase. With each change the quality of the 'statesman' in question deteriorated, until finally only the petty type of political huckster remained. In such people the qualities of statesmanship were measured and valued according to the adroitness with which they pieced together one coalition after another; in other words, their craftiness in manipulating the pettiest political transactions, which is the only kind of practical activity suited to the aptitudes of these representatives.

>The whole spectacle of parliamentary life became more and more desolate the more one penetrated into its intimate structure and studied the persons and principles of the system in a spirit of ruthless objectivity. Indeed, it is very necessary to be strictly objective in the study of the institution whose sponsors talk of 'objectivity' in every other sentence as the only fair basis of examination and judgment. If one studied these gentlemen and the laws of their strenuous existence the results were surprising.

>There is no other principle which turns out to be quite so ill-conceived as the parliamentary principle, if we examine it objectively.

>It is not the aim of our modern democratic parliamentary system to bring together an assembly of intelligent and well informed deputies. Not at all. The aim rather is to bring together a group of nonentities who are dependent on others for their views and who can be all the more easily led, the narrower the mental outlook of each individual is. That is the only way in which a party policy, according to the evil meaning it has to- day, can be put into effect. And by this method alone it is possible for the wirepuller, who exercises the real control, to remain in the dark, so that personally he can never be brought to account for his actions. For under such circumstances none of the decisions taken, no matter how disastrous they may turn out for the nation as a whole, can be laid at the door of the individual whom everybody knows to be the evil genius responsible for the whole affair. All responsibility is shifted to the shoulders of the Party as a whole.

>The parliamentary regime became one of the causes why the strength of the Habsburg State steadily declined during the last years of its existence. The more the predominance of the German element was whittled away through parliamentary procedure, the more prominent became the system of playing off one of the various constituent nationalities against the other. In the Imperial Parliament it was always the German element that suffered through the system, which meant that the results were detrimental to the Empire as a whole; for at the close of the century even the most simple-minded people could recognize that the cohesive forces within the Dual Monarchy no longer sufficed to counterbalance the separatist tendencies of the provincial nationalities. On the contrary!

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What Hitler says there in criticizing parliamentarianism, IMHO, has more of a monarchist flair than all of r/monarchism and X Twitter trad monarchists combined.
Again, contemporary monarchists are like a bunch of Whigs compared to Hitler. Parliamentarianism and multi-party democracy is a sacred cow to them. They ridicule monarchical leadership or any dictatorship or TBH any rule by one person as "not monarchy" but what is effectively oligarchy or democracy to them is "perfect monarchy". What a joke. A total clownshow contemporary monarchists are, blinded by appearances or in the Christian monarchist traditionalist cause by his prejudice for the clergy's sake rather arbitrarily.
Monarchists should be ashamed to call themselves "monarchists".
Seeing as how that they proactively spit on what Homer said or what Darius in the Herodotus Debate might say.

>b-but--but muh dictatorship! 
>it's the elites that make a monarchy or the fact that a crown is worn!
>without the crown there is no monarchy!
Idiots, what a world--not dispensing with the fact that Caesarism returned the world to monarchy which was built on the basis of such a dictatorship. Monarchists conveniently like to forget that Emperors started out by borrowing the name of a dictator.
The inane posturing about "dictatorship" or "muh tyrant" is as Hobbes says -- simply to say that you hate that style of governance and hate monarchy. As if Charles III is anymore a monarch when he is a king in name only whereas other rulers who are dictators become a king in all but name. 
There is no excuse for it. 
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Jean Bodin / Dictators are Sufficient Proof that Monarchy is necessary for the preservation of society
>And what power soever they have by virtue of their places, yet Popular and Aristocratical commonweales, finding themselves embarked in any dangerous war, either against the enemy, or among themselves, or in difficulty to proceed criminally against some mighty citizen, or to give order for the plague, or to create magistrates, or to do any other thing of great consequence, did usually create a Dictator, as a sovereign Monarch: knowing well that a Monarchy was the anchor whereunto of necessity they must have recourse.

>The impunity of vices, and the contempt of magistrates in a Popular estate, does sufficiently show that Monarchs are necessary for the preservation of the society of mankind, seeing that the Romans who for the error of one Prince, had all kings in hatred, made a Dictator for the conduct of all their great affairs.

>So did the Lacedemonians in their extremities create a magistrate with power like unto the Dictator, whom they called Harmoste: and the Thessaliens, him whom they called Archus: as in the like case the Mityleniens their great Aezimnere; to whom the great Providador of the Venetians may be in some sort compared: finding by experience that an absolute power united in one person, is more eminent and of greater effect.

So if Jean Bodin can look at dictatorships and say, "This is the ultimate proof that monarchy is the most sufficient government", but you people recoil at monarchical governance (or one person ruling) -- then it is sufficient to say that contemporary monarchists are a joke and aren't actually monarchists but as contemporary kings are kings in name only so contemporary monarchists are monarchists in name only.
The moral structure of monarchy itself is not too difficult to comprehend. It should be easy. You lift up one finger. Count to one. Yet capricious traditionalists cannot comprehend something so simple. That is the ultimate proof for me that relying on consensus and intellectualism is unreliable as far as monarchy is concerned, but caprice and retardation governs people and that monarchy can only be a happy accident and not something that is planned out or introduced by the consensus of monarchists themselves. They can't even define monarchy even if it is the most easy thing in the world to define and so simple, if they could stomach to adhere to what Homer said in his own monarchist maxim...
The testimony of dictators themselves like Hitler and like Kim Il Sung is more predisposed to monarchy than these so-called monarchists. Even Kim Il Sung appeals to having a central leadership and a bee queen. Monarchists don't actually believe that because they oppose monarchy on the same basis they oppose corporatism (whether Fascistic or Socialist).

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This is another case of traditionalist crocodile tears being mislead by Christian reactionaries who have ulterior motives. 
When traditionalists join in and scoff at dictators like Hitler on the pretext of monarchy, it's not that Hitler's monarchy is an anti-monarchy monarchy -- not at all -- but rather the Christian reactionaries cry crocodile tears -- not for monarchy's sake -- but because Hitler isn't -their- kind of monarch. 
It's not that difficult to understand.
The Christian reactionaries don't even care about "traditionalism" except -their- traditionalism.
The Christian reactionaries don't cry crocodile tears about dictators not being proper monarchies because they aren't proper monarchies but simply because they aren't -their- kind of proper monarchy (that is, under the thumb of the Christian clergy and in being Christian monarchies). The emphasis is more on the Christian* agenda in every case! not the particular structure or incommodity of organization.
Again...
Christian reactionaries cry "materialism" and abhor this kind of populism... not because they have any scruple in educating or reforming the masses... it is not the act itself that abhors Christian reactionaries, but because it is done in a way that goes against -their- agenda.
Otherwise, they are perfectly content to use populism and mass education if it's for Christ's sake.
Yet I worry traditionalists here don't have that same sensible scruple... they mimic the Christian reactionaries without considering why they oppose these things -- it's simply because it is in the hands of their enemy, simple as.
Again, the Christian reactionaries lament "Hitler Youth" and shed crocodile tears about "mass education" and taking autonomy away from fathers... when they would do the same thing with educating children for Christ's sake because that is what Christ would have wanted. It's simply the shedding of tears because these instruments are used against -them-, not because they abhor the instruments. The same with dictatorship. The only abhor a dictatorship because it isn't -their- kind of dictatorship, whether it is crowned or not crowned...

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>>18187
>Nothing is written in stone. I don't believe in prophecies or ontological inevitabilities. That winning WW2 against the kikes and their shabbos countries allied together against Germany was exceedingly hard even for the greatest of men to accomplish, that I can agree with. But fated? No. We can only say that in retrospective, and even that is a crude, churlish analysis. There's a long list of things that needed to go right for the (((  Allies  ))) and wrong for the Axis for the former to prevail and the latter to lose. There were errors made on the part of Germany's top ranks, but in no way are those proof that Germany was "fated" to be defeated. 
Not only on paper the numbers were totally against Germany anyway, but I do hold these beliefs you are impervious to. I do believe certain things and major trends are set in stone by greater powers that transcend humans, wherein our control is largely about the role we decide to play in these flows of causality and how we contribute to the ineluctable manifestation of these major events.
At best Germany would have been able to defend its own territory, but would have never obtained the power necessary to completely purge both the USSR and the USA of the Jewish malice. These groups would have firmly remained within Jewish hands, scheming anew for another war, with greater numbers again. It would have also prevented so many Whites from experiencing first hand the Weimar conditions we now observe world wide, and in such an absence never would have the Whites across the planet been able to witness the prophetic truth of Hitler's words. Germany's reserves would have been so depleted that it would have taken a long time before the country could regroup and make any demands since the negotiations would have been sabotaged by England and the USA at the very least and none of the world would have been truly saved.
>Necessary for what? What could justify the atrocities committed against the German people after their defeat and the horrors perpetrated upon the entire world in the wake of WW2? Were also the Weimar years necessary? Sure, the NSDAP arose from the ashes of Weimar, but all the suffering visited upon the German people was entirely unnecessary. There is nothing necessary about innocents suffering.
This is how the universe operates, it is both good and evil. It exists for strife and rewards. It demands blood and suffering as much as it provides love and bliss. It giveth life as much as it taketh it away. It says that sometimes painful sacrifices are necessary.

>>18192
>Hitler wasn't appealing to a wholly anachronistic return to paganism.
Perhaps but there was nothing anachronistic, or say, at odds with Nature, in the paganism that Hitler's men were bringing back to life through the Hitlerjungend and the complete Schutzstaffel, inner and outer, who were granted their new rites and virile codes that trampled the core principles of Christianity and its alien slave morality.
>>18193
The new paganism will certainly be its own thing, but paganism it will be, without a doubt. How much it will salvage in wrappings depends on what people need or think they need. I wouldn't count on the Vatican surviving much of it.
>>18198
>The contemporary revolutionaries -- as corporatists -- such as the Marxist Leninists and Fascists... 
This would be a hot take but in many ways, it is, if only for the focus around one figure, one man of power, although the Stalinist figure seemed more appropriate, even if much weaker than assumed.
>>18199
There is some truth and genuine irony in Wilhelm II wiggling his finger at Hitler about the lack of a progeny but what did Jesus have?
Yes, religion is necessary, but what kind? He who speaks of race worthy of preserving wouldn't one moment demand where such an idea is found in Christianity, that suddenly for higher matters that concern the mind of man, what belongs to the roots of his one body becomes utterly irrelevant for the higher spheres. No, we should demand racial gods, a racist Gods. As for the families, wasn't it exactly what the Third Reich was obsessed about? How could this sovereign be so blind to this obvious reality if not because of bad faith? Whatever he spoke of about the past does not sound reasonable. Hitler spoke in the name of those who came before when setting his sights on Germany's future. Such failures, these obsolete monarchs.

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>>18211
This would be a hot take but in many ways, it is, if only for the focus around one figure, one man of power, although the Stalinist figure seemed more appropriate, even if much weaker than assumed.
It's not just about power, although moralists like to condemn it on the basis of power and how awful that is, but it derives from a unitary and corporatist thinking.
If the best state as Plato mentions in Republic is modeled as best as making the people like one individual person, then inevitably corporatist or unitary societies put emphasis on being united by such an individual person or "leader figure".
Like I said, that is no accident--it is no accident that there is a cult of personality--it is stupid to think they do this to flatter the leader and not for other motives.
While Corporatism doesn't openly appear to be a kind of monarchy, each corporatist regime ends up becoming one because corporatism whether they like it or not is covertly monarchy-pilled because it strives for a kind of unitary mode of politics which monarchy inherently is.
Whereas Conservatives tend to abhor this... (unless it is Christianity and the Body of Christ as their corporatism...)
IMHO it's not a "hot take" -- it's the "inconvenient truth" that these conservatives refuse to acknowledge, again because of their own prejudice."

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This right here is not a bug but a feature of corporatism--it inherently favors a monarchical constitution because such a unitary mode of politics hinges on this kind of thinking.

>>18212
Conservatives want to have a life that's just better than it is now, more comfortable, while having the luxury of bickering at table and in vast rooms, there to preserve their own domain of authority over others. They would not trust other conservatives, so they cannot conceptualize a leader as a fatherly figure because they too, those cynical conservatives, nurture such a constant antisocial rebellious spirit. They enjoy the noise and the faked competing views of political charades, they want to be the one legislator who managed to get his own law added to the code of law of his own nation. That glorious privilege from little hurt egos. It takes courage and devotion for an adult to submit to a man worthy of high praise. They are afraid.