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>>281671
>>281738
>Feels good, eh? I manage to build a PC using AM4 era parts and it does everything I need to.
Earlier this year I worked in a job training program for about a month (basic trades stuff; you get safety certs that make you easy to hire). Most of the guys there were younger than I was, and one of them was planning to build a PC with the money he'd made since this was his first real job. I talked to him about it for a bit, and I sent him a build of a flagship AM4 system that would save about $1000 compared to his initial build and be relatively futureproof short of upgrading to an AM5 CPU.

A couple weeks later I asked him if he'd moved forward with the build, and he said "Nah, I got concert tickets instead."

This was about four or five weeks before all the tariffs kicked in.

Has anyone here with a 120hz+ display tried out RetroArch's sub-frame rendering feature with the CRT beam racing >filter?
Does having additional sub-frames result in an objective improvement in motion clarity?
Does it even remotely compare to a bottom of the barrel 1999 CRT TV from Aldi Süd?

t. thinken of buying one of them fancy newfangled HDR 4K displays to replace my 15 year old FHD IPS monitor, but don't want to spend more than half a grand of euroyuan I would a 1440p but those can't into integer scaled CRT >filters and I don't plan on playing non-emulated post-gamergate sl*p any time soon.

>>281760
>Nah, I got concert tickets instead."
Do not pity the normalfag, he deserve everything he gets.

>>281671
>Spoiler
What airflow config did you finally settle on?

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>>281767
Believe me, I don't. He had told me that he'd really enjoyed Dragon Age Veilguard and spoken extensively about how much he appreciated the characters and dialog, so it didn't surprise me. As much as I wanted to like the kid, drugs and fatherlessness had definitely fucked him up.

>>281788
Pics related. I think I talked about it at length a few threads ago, but the gist is:
- Two 140mm intake fans at the front.
- ThermalWright Peerless Assassin on the CPU pushing air out the back with its double fin stack.
- One side mounted 140mm fan to help take warm air away from the GPU.

The Fractal North case has two SKUs, one with a glass side panel and the one I got with a mesh side panel. The mesh is actually the less expensive, presumably because it doesn't let you see inside and be mesmerized by all the epic gamer RGB patterns you spent money on, but I don't have any of that so it didn't matter to me. The mesh is actually not very good for passive exhaust because the holes are so small, but it came with a fan bracket if you wanted to have a side exhaust fan.

Getting a fan that fit and actually making it fit was surprisingly difficult; I went with a Be Quiet something-or-other and had to manually twist the screws into the plastic holes because they weren't threaded. The other Be Quiet fans I saw and experimented with used plastic plugs to hold themselves in place but this model came with screws for whatever reason. But it fits now, and it does help a lot to remove the GPU exhaust. I've thought about adding additional fans, but it wouldn't make sense and would probably make the case thermals worse. Whenever I've opened it up and stuck my hand in, the cool air coming in the front has a noticeably strong flow to it, and I can feel the head coming out the side from the GPU exhaust whenever I'm gaming.

And speaking of GPUs, I was watching the newest GamersNexus video about the 5060's performance and benchmarks and I found myself astonished at how little things have progressed. The 5060 has the same 8GB of VRAM that my 3060 Ti from 2021 does, and it barely outperformed the 3060 Ti on modern games. This would normally be a good thing because I think we've hit a point where mid-range cards are pretty much the best unless you're mining bitcoin in your spare time or you want to set your house on fire, but the 5060 is priced at practically the same MSRP the 3060 Ti was when it launched during the pandemic.

This thing should be like $200-250 and have 12GB VRAM, not $350+ with 8GB. The entire industry is so fucking stupid and I'm happy that I have to interact with it as little as possible now.

>>281801
Graphics card market essentially is the same as the phone market now
>minor upgrade for same price or more
>if you are on a budget better to just buy old
>amount of ram you have being useful  can be worthless just one day
>trap purchase options

>>281801
>second pic
>GPU blowing hot air down
The fuck of an ass wierd GPU are you using that doesn't blow up hot air up?

>>281811
thank you for these btw

>>281801
>And speaking of GPUs, I was watching the newest GamersNexus video about the 5060's performance and benchmarks and I found myself astonished at how little things have progressed.
Don't they not support PhysX anymore? It's more like it regressed.

>>281814
Pretty much they dropped support for games that were 32 bit Physx which means games like batman arkham and non remaster metro will run worse than an old card probably.

>>281811
For the price it's not terrible but stock issues are dreadful and arguably it should be cheaper.
I'm glad I bought an RX 6600

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>>281812
Just doing my part.

>>281814
>>281816
Yeah, I haven't seen any workarounds yet but physx performance tanks on new cards. I'm sure it's possible to implement a software layer to fix this but jewvidia can't be assed to do it.
The only real fix is to have on second old card to use just for physx.

>>281822
Nvidia released the source code for physx, so it is up for the game devs or some autistic normalfag to fix it.

>>281828
I'm not sure if the source would even really help for developing a compatibility layer that converts 32bit physx calls to something like vulkan. But tbh this isn't my specialty.

I like that aesthetic but like Minecraft lewds I have a hard time enjoying it.
That last image with the anthro girls is great though. Oughta needs to do more hmofa tbh.

>ASRock B850 Pro-A and Ryzen 5 9600x arrive
>put them together
>turn on PC
>memory training or something for a minute
>fan speed lowers
>5 beeps with red and yellow lights
>followed by the green and white lights for a few seconds, then a single beep and they turn off
>CPU, case and GPU fans keep running and the attached keyboard's num lock key lights up after this, but there is no video output from my HD7970 dunno bout the iGPU as I don't have an HDMI cable on hand
What did the machine spirits mean by this?
I put the CPU in its socket right after getting it out of its box and didn't see any dirt or obstructions on it, the golden triangle was also aligned correctly.
Did my CPU explode, is the board fug or is this one of those BIOS daemons making the news as of late?
Gonna see if I can update the BIOS with the flashback thingy tomorrow.
The flimsyness of the AM5 socket mounting compared to AM3 with its satisfying click when engaging the lock disturbs me.

>>281822
>Yeah, I haven't seen any workarounds yet but physx performance tanks on new cards
The workaround is get a secondary card to run PhysX, even a 1650 is decent enough for the job
And again it's not that the new cards have poor physX performance it's that they do not run it at all, so your CPU is forced to do the job and since Nvidia is trash they gimped the CPU fallback to hell to force you to buy another one of their GPUs

>>281828
It's a bit more complex than that
There's 3 ways you fix the issue

>1
You make a 32 to 64 bit PhysX translation layer, it's cool but AMD and intel users get shafted
>2
You make a PhysX to XYZ API translation layer, it's way harder and Nvidia has sued people who've tried in the past but everyone gets to benefit
>3
You unfuck the CPU fallback (starting by allowing it to use more than 1 core would be great already), it's the easiest, but since it has no other practical use unlike 2 it will have the least people interested, and it potentially will have lesser performance unless you throw some insane CPUs at it (granted nowadays 8+ core isn't rare and 24 core is something you can get as a regular user).

>>281832
Try to put only one stick of RAM is slot 2, then try the other stick
Could be DoA RAM
850 chipset should have 9600X support out of the box, but an update can't hurt

> HD7970 
Could be your card isn't UEFI compatible, you can fix that by flashing a R9 280X BIOS on it IIRC had the reverse issue with a HD7770 that had a R7 250X BIOS and wouldn't display anything on a legacy mobo, I would grab an HDMI cable and test the IGP first however.

>Spoiler 
Welcome to LGA sockets

My AM5 experience today was a lot better, got a for parts mobo off ebay from a guy claiming a failed BIOS update guy literally told me a pushed the reset button during the update
Was half expecting it to be completely fucked like that other board that was "untested / for parts" but covered in solder flux near the BIOS chip didn't see it on the photos, but it turned out to actually be entirely fine and just needed a BIOS flashback, so yeah $300 mobo for $40.

>>281808
>my 3060 Ti from 2021 
You tell me, dude. It's the Zotac Twin Edge version.
I did a quick comparison with other 3060 Tis from other card makers and they all have the exhaust fans on the bottom for both 3-fan and 2-fan cards. Maybe it was just something about that particular product line.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/npRYcf/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gaming-twin-edge-video-card-zt-a30610e-10mlhr

>>281831
>Oughta needs to do more hmofa 
I don't think he's drawn a human male aside from shitposts or sketches in many years; the closets you'll get is a generic muscular human dude with an animal face and a tail. Regardless, the storyboard for his upcoming animation looks incredibly impressive. Better than something you'd find in a "professional" animation studio.

>>281801
>>281926
I think you want the side fan to be intake, not exhaust. AFAIK graphics card fans pull air in and push it over the heatsink, and then exhaust the air out the sides. You want to be feeding fresh cool air to the GPU. I've looked at this product on Zotac's site and Guru3D and I can't find any mention of the fans on the GPU being exhaust fans, which would be pretty atypical.

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>>281926
Anon, that fan/blade direction is telling me that is intake not exhaust and checking the gpu pics it doesn't have a big ass hole in the backplate, so it exhausting the hot air at the sides like pic related.
It would be retarded if the gpu would be doing the opposite, but maybe I'm wrong.
Put your hand and check the flow.

>>281930
>>281963
>CPU fans pull air away from the heat fins and expel it in a single direction
>GPU fans push air onto the heat fins and let it dribble out the sides in various directions
...Huh. You learn something every day.

You know, I had put my hand next to the fans and observed them quite carefully when they were running at high load, but I had come to the conclusion that they were pushing the air downward. Because the top of the GPU is covered in almost solid metal, so it wouldn't make sense to push air in that direction. I will need to rethink the airflow in my case.

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>>281816
They didn't drop PhysX specifically so much as their 32-bit CUDA runtime that PhysX was based on, because who the hell is writing CUDA for 32-bit processors these days. Either way fuck nvidia, delete nvidia, all my homies hate nvidia.

>I'm glad I bought an RX 6600
The 6600XT I bought when the crypto bubble was just starting to hit dobson levels is looking better every day.

>>281967
>Fuck nvidia, delete nvidia,
Yeah, they really pushed it honestly way too far for too long and that's not me including their flaws with their new cards.
>features locked to new cards for no real reason
>software gimmicks to make their cards look good
>an old or obscure game not working as expected? not our issue
I can say the same for Windows as well.

>>281837
>buy hdmi cable and USB drive just in case
>connect hdmi from board to monitor
>see the bios
>csm disabled by default, the fucken niggers
>can't get it to boot from my BIOS-configured drives and my GPU still outputs nothing
>see options for VideoOp and StorageOp with options for uefi only, legacy only and do not execute
>why is there no "both" or "auto" setting
>set videoOp to legacy
>reset
<now the iGPU doesn't work as well
>absolutely ebin :DDD
>find old WinXP micro-ATX toaster from 2006 I thought I'd thrown away years ago only for it to reappear in my basement
>hook it up, dog bless it still werks
>download the latest BIOS from ASRock, put it on the empty drive and rename it for flashing purposes
>use the flashback function to flash it
>15 minutes later and thank god I have hdmi video again
>manage to boot into my Linuchs rescue drive, now trying to see if I can get Grub to transition from BIOS to ESG EFI
Isn't modern technology great?

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>>281965
It depends on the gpu fan design.
Since the PCB is in the way, the hot air goes to the sides depending on the heatsink orentation.
If the GPU has 3 fans, only 1 fan as a hole in the backplate were hot air goes thru.
For a GPU with a blower fan, it goes at the side were the hdmi connecters are.
The 5090 has a really neat desing were it has a tiny ass PCB in the middle of the GPU sandwished by two fans that push air thru the heatsink wihtout worring about the pcb being in the way.

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>>281973
I looked a bit more closely and I can feel hot air coming out the back even now when I'm not playing anything, so it's definitely pulling air up from just above the power supply shroud. I made an updated diagram to show where the airflow is now that I understand it.

The light blue circles represent the possible locations for the side fan. Right now I've got it at the location near the back of the case and I inverted it so it's a standard intake fan which will feed cool air directly to the GPU; this will give my system significant positive pressure, so I think it'd make sense for me to get another fan or two and put them on the back/top near the CPU.

The only thing I'm iffy about now is the GPU pushing hot air out the front and back and sides. Seems like it is very difficult to make this work with air cooling since there will always be a strong current of air coming directly at one of the heat fin stacks and causing turbulence.

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>>281979
I guess the PSU is below the gpu?
Yes, the gpu is throwing hot air everywhere, but is should be easy to guide it.
Those exhaust fans in the corner are crucial to guide the hot air out of the system.
The fan on the top pump air in is optional, it will help for the cpu temps a little, what ever you do, don't make it exhaust, because it will stave the cpu for cool air.
You can put fans next to the gpu, but remember to put them below the gpu, if you put them right next to it, it will block the airflow the gpu fans are trying to push out.
You can also undervolt your gpu to get better temps, at the cost of a few frames, don't ask me how because I have never done it.

>>281983
>PSU under GPU
Yes, the PSU is in the PSU shroud in the standard position.
>You can put fans next to the gpu, but remember to put them below the gpu, if you put them right next to it, it will block the airflow the gpu fans are trying to push out.
Right. I might get one or two 120mm fans for the side bracket and move the 140mm currently in it to the back so it draws hot air out. I'd like to have it on the top but the Silent Assassin is so xboxhueg that I can't fit anything near it. Fortunately it's a beast at cooling so that's all good.

>>281965
>You know, I had put my hand next to the fans and observed them quite carefully when they were running at high load, but I had come to the conclusion that they were pushing the air downward.
When I'm unsure about which direction a fan is blowing air, I usually get a thin strip of paper (like a flattened receipt or something) and hold it just in front of the fan. In my experience that's more definitive than just holding my hand in front of it.
>Because the top of the GPU is covered in almost solid metal, so it wouldn't make sense to push air in that direction
The air is being pushed over the heatsink and the backplate to keep them cool, and the hot air naturally exhausts over the heatsink fins. The metal backplate also adds some extra thermal mass.
>>281979
This looks good. As long as you are pulling sufficient amounts of cool air into the front of your case, the hot air will naturally exhaust out the back. If you have an additional fan you should mount it as exhaust in the back, behind the CPU cooler, like in the pic posted by >>281983

Whats a good, secure phone for banking?
I live in a shithole trying to larp as civilised so I need one.

>>282063
pinephone or something with grapheneOS

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>manage to set EFI n sheeit so Linux now boots and works normally as far as I can see
>go back to the BIOS
>Patriot Viper Venom DDR5-6000 RAM defaults to 3600mhz
>XMP and EXPO profiles show the manufacturer advertised timings CL30-40-40-76 along with a second profile at 5600mhz with slightly different timings
>try out the 6000mhz profile
>memory training fails with 3 beeps, runs again and boots at 3600mhz
>try out the other profile
>same result
>repeat with the XMP profiles, same shit
>read up some articles on the Interwebs about manually setting a lower frequency while retaining the boost timings
>set the frequency to 4800
>PC doesn't post after the memory timing screeching noise stops
>mix and match RAM until I discover one of my sticks gets the system to boot at 4800mhz while the other doesn't
>why the ASRock B850 Pro-A BIOS didn't automatically default back to its auto setting after the failed memory like my previous DDR3 motherboard from 2011 I don't know, but putting the second (defective?) stick in A1 with the "good" stick in A2 results in a working system
Am I retarded or is one of the sticks fug?
I tried an A2/B2 configuration when the speed was set to 4800mhz and that didn't work.
DDR3 didn't have any of this memory timing test faggotry, you knew within seconds if your speed/timing was set correctly or not while this shit can take more than a minute until the system POSTs.

>>282072
>for banking
Has to be usable anon.
>>282084
Likely there's an error that breaks ram overclock but lets it work fine on factory timings.

>>282063
tbh just get a cheap used pixel. Android is gay and there's only so much you can do to make it secure, so just use it as little as possible.

>>282084
The proper slot for 2 sticks dual channel are A2 / B2, A1 / B1 are the shit slots
I'd try a full CMOS clear, and disabling Memory Context Restore.

>DDR3 didn't have any of this memory timing test faggotry
It did, it was just so much faster you didn't notice.

>>282063
CalyxOS?
https://calyxos.org/

>>282092
>>282096
Thanks for the replies, I'm looking at a secondhand motorola G for the battery life actually.
Pixels are rare here.

So, is the GPU market more or less fucked than 3 months ago?

>>282208
Not really, only thing different is  the 9060 xt atm is in supply and  isn't absurdly overpriced.