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>What's this?
A thread for the organization and development of a VN with minor puzzle/adventure game elements starring Libbie the Cyber Oryx.  Previous thread: >>168647
Thread 3: https://archive.fo/Wosxp
Thread 2: https://archive.ph/z17yE
Thread 1: https://archive.ph/9iIJW

>What will the game be like?
A simple, short puzzle/adventure game presented like a VN and inspired by old Flash adventure/"sim" games.  We'll be working in Ren'py, and the game will mostly be slice-of-life comedy and light romance with some cheesecake or ecchi.

>You've barely done anything in the last two years!
The GitGud repo needs updating, but despite writefag's periods of absence there has been solid progress made on character designs and illustrations.
- Base Libbie and XUE (the mouse girl in the swimsuit) have all their expressions done.
- Maff's expressions are mostly done.
- Concepts/sketches for Art and Kiki are mostly done and their designs are practically final.

>what can I play?
The most recent demo is for day 3: https://files.catbox.moe/zlm5fa.zip - there's also a Linux version: https://files.catbox.moe/c5cg72.bz2
The most recent script is for day 4: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/view/CUEED+Rote5DxIqRzBOzS2tkLMAuc25aiszokevm4fg/
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>>253354 (OP) 
Here are the art assets and organizational documents we have so far. I'd like to include at least one or two bonus illustrations for each character, some of which could be fairly lewd. My ideas are in the lower section of the spreadsheet with all the Xs but I'm open to suggestions.

Also, the outline needs to properly incorporate XUE as a side character, and T.T. as an alternate "bro ending."

To do:
- Update GitGud repo so that it has illustrations and links to documents/demos. It should function as a hub for the data and files that will be used in the VN.
- Continue making progress on character illustrations, especially for Art, T.T., and Kiki.
- Suggestions for bonus/lewd illustrations.
- Work on puzzle design and logic. The puzzles will probably be the last things to be added, but anyone who has ideas for designs/solutions can hammer them out now.
- Scripts for day 5 and the endings.
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And thank you to that one drawfag on capybarachan.org/kemono/ (formerly anon.cafe/kemono/) for these little doodles.
>>253355
That first image gives me AAA studio vibes. "Artists, this spreadsheet is missing generic expressions, draw them", totally separated from context or what the game actually needs. If I were to make a VN myself, I'd just make half assed quick sketches and only finish them after I know what kind of emotions/poses I need.
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>cryptpad
>clearly posing as some kind of secure thing
>doesn't work without javascript with dynamic queries
>doesn't work without an iframe to a second domain
>has a 20 second loading screen
>doesn't work without a modern fully updated google approved browser
Just use a pastebin jesus christ.
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>>253593
WARNING: This user has terminal GRIDS (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency). Avoid all contact and replying to their posts
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>>253594
This is writefag getting nervous and profusely sweating when reminded that he's the bottleneck for this project.
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>>253596
Fact checked false
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My review of this project: fun idea someone had long time ago that people think would be neat but that nobody really wants (especially post- niggerlibbie and male libbie and mommy fetishism and uncanny elf-ear art and some additional literally who fetish OCs and glacial progress). Still perpetuated by either some fetishists and/or people who want to connect with- or work together with people, and this is the only available way to do it, but not appealing enough to bother taking the reins and really pushing it forward, and nobody has the balls to just throw all the crap in the trash and spearheading the Libbie VN everyone originally wanted.
>>253598
Yeah, this is the first time I'm seriously looking at this project. And holy shit, the scope creep is out of control. They really should have just buckled down on the main character's route before they did anything else so there would be a guaranteed finished product.
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I thought there was only one day left to code in. What happun?
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>>253600
>They really should have just buckled down on standard Libbie only and called it a day instead of shoehorning 6 extra ones
ftfy
>>253598
>>253600
>>253601
yuo are samefagging because there is no way there is anyone this autistically obsessed with the project management of a silly imageboard developed game about a chinese oryx girl 

what next do you want there to be daliy standups on Slack :tm: using the Agile waterfall method where we discuss the status of the very prestigious libbie vn? will that stop you from having a melty?
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>>253609
>samefagging
This board has IDs, there's no ambiguity. If you don't want me to make multiple posts then lobby to the jschan developers and/or zzzchan admin to let me edit posts. Or would that be too Reddit for you? If yes then deal with it.

>daliy standups Slack Agile waterfall
I'm not the one requiring everyone to use some soy javashit web app to read your text file instead of just posting a fucking text file.

>what next do you want
Attractive characters and getting shit done. I get the feeling that people just accept anything that someone wants to put in because it's uncomfortable to say no to someone who's trying to contribute, especially when you're lacking in options, and since the project is becoming less attractive you have less people wanting to help too. That would be fine if this was some kind of RPG where anyone could add whatever they want into it.

I'm filled with enough resentment towards everything on imageboards that I'm just going to say what I'm thinking and I don't care if I burn down this whole thread in the process. Almost all other Libbie art I've seen is more attractive than these weird human-like loomis braindamage designs and fat mommy porn addict proportions. The art is decent in a vacuum but the artist seriously needs to learn how to stylize and follow a design and not impose his own fetishes/preferences on the main character of a community(?) project that already has a predetermined design. If he doesn't want to do that then that's fine, but in that case it would have been better for the project if he didn't contribute at all and left that spot open for other artists who are more familiar with animals and anime/kemono-style art. "That's just my opinion" though so if this is what you actually want then who am I to stop anyone.

And what the fuck is this stupid mouse character? The game is supposed to take place in a work environment so why the fuck is a swimsuit fetish character being added? Nobody wanted or asked for it, it's clearly someone's fetish and now someone has to put in work to incorporate it into the game and story that's already struggling to make progress. To be fair it was originally suggested as a "cameo" and that's fine, but it doesn't look like it anymore considering there's like 87 portraits for it.

I'm a game developer myself and I'm getting an aneurysm trying to figure out how this project is being managed this way. It's not appealing to contribute to this project because of how weirdly closed off it feels. Where are the scripts and art gallery and source code and to-do lists and instructions about how to contribute? Where's the outline of things that I can help fill in and polish? You'd think all of this was laid out front and center to make it easier to get an idea of what's going on and ask questions and start contributing. There's supposedly a gitgud but why isn't it linked anywhere? Can I even contribute to this imageboard project without a gitgud account? It's as if you WANT everyone else to just sit and watch, and if that's your goal then it's my misunderstanding. If I wanted to make something like this then I could start now and finish it entirely by myself before this project was finished, I'm half tempted to start Libbie VN 2.0 thread just to prove myself right and get this frustrating slog of a project off the catalog.
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>>253621
based spergpost, imageboards shall be reclaimed from retards like this, one passionate fit of rage at a time
>>253621
>I'm half tempted to start Libbie VN 2.0 thread just to prove myself right and get this frustrating slog of a project off the catalog.
libbie is a free spirit and if you feel you can do it better then I encourage you to go for it. Yes the art isn't the greatest but it was done for free by someone who set out time of their day to do it. not much else to say or comment on.
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>>253621
>I'm half tempted to start Libbie VN 2.0 thread just to prove myself right and get this frustrating slog of a project off the catalog.
Do it.
>>253621
post progress on your own project or go away
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>>253629
you say this as there has been any progress on this in a year
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>>253630
*as if
>>253630
The lack of progress from this thread shouldn't excuse his faggotry.
If you are gonna talk the talk then walk the walk
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<Hey guys, what's going on-
Ah. Well, I suppose a spirited discussion is only natural with a fresh thread.

>>253621
>This board has IDs, there's no ambiguity
If you sincerely believe that IDs are foolproof then you are either very naive or very stupid. A trio of (1) IDs saying the same thing in quick succession and agreeing with each other are more indicative of a VPN-hopping samefag than almost anything else.
(Personally, I do not care. I simply ignore people who fling shit.)

>soy javashit web app
I had CryptPad suggested to me as an off-brand Google Doc for text and filesharing, and I haven't had any problems with it that wouldn't appear on similar hosting platforms.
>text file
The script isn't a text file. The way I've written dialogue and laid everything out uses a fair amount of headers, bullet points, etc. and if I compressed it down to a literal text file it'd be a lot more awkward. Exporting it to a .doc or .odt file and just hosting that on something like Catbox or Mega would preserve the formatting but not be readable online, and I wanted there to be as few clicks between an anon and the script as possible.

If you know of a more practical way to organize all this that doesn't involve Microsoft Teams, I'd love to hear it.

>accept anything that someone wants to put in because it's uncomfortable to say no to someone who's trying to contribute
>since the project is becoming less attractive you have less people wanting to help too
The contributions of the artists actually increased after I stopped updating the script as regularly. Most of the expressions and design iterations for Base Libbie, Maff, and XUE got done because the artists wanted to have fun doing them. You could speculate that they did this because I was being a chronically whiny faggot and they needed to pick up the slack, but it would remain speculation. I do recall that there was at least one instance where the current artist got me to clarify something and was able to finish quite a few illustrations in a short time, so it's not as though the script being cold is totally preventing progress from being made in other areas.

Speaking of the script, I have frequently asked for input and suggestions regarding it throughout all the threads, and I get basically nothing in response from anyone (except that one guy who wants T.T. to be a secret tomboy). So if anons find literally being idea guys to be too much effort then I can't see how it's anyone's problem but theirs. Really, truly, I would love to have people shitpost ideas at me so I can just focus on tying scenes together.

>i don't like the art style
We had another artist (the same one who's contributed to Sleepy Station on the regular, I think) in the early days of the project, but at that time his skills weren't as developed and he clearly had trouble with cute, feminine characters. I'm sure a couple of the crab bucket faggots recognized him from the drawthreads and followed him here to screech about his abilities, which made iterating on designs tough. When Xx_BigTittyLibbieLover_xX stepped in and started doing a lot of concept sketching, almost everyone was happy except for maybe a couple one-off posts from anons who didn't substantiate their feelings. If the libbies look too buoyant for you then that's fine, but frankly I just think you're a homo.

>what the fuck is this stupid mouse character?
That's XUE, the representation of the XFCE desktop environment. An anon got going with her in the last thread and he was having a lot of fun so I wanted to encourage that by making her have a cameo or minor role in the VN.
Apparently the swimsuit was suggested by the guy in the drawthread who wants every girl to wear a swimsuit, but the artist did a good job with the design so I'm fine with it. I wouldn't really call a cute girl in a swimsuit "fetish territory" even if the guy who suggested it is obsessed with the idea.

>like 87 portraits for it
I initially thought there'd be about 9 expressions for each character, but after I'd written a few days of the script I realized there needed to be a couple more for full coverage. There was also a bit of a language barrier between me and the current artist since English seems to be his second language. Currently there are 14 expressions for each character, and maybe one or two bonus drawings if the artists want to make them.
Are you really at the point where you're getting butthurt about there being too many portraits in a VN? They're like the only art asset we have which get used more than once. Most of the Base Libbie and Maff ones are copy-pasted bodies and heads with minor changes to eye position (which is fine by me). The guy who drew XUE's expressions wanted them to be a bit more dynamic, so that's how he made them.

>weirdly closed off it feels
Yes, and that's my fault. I do have everything backed up and saved in a Mega folder which I linked in the previous thread, but I forgot to include it when making the OP. I also forgot to include scripts for the previous days (or just to link to the root directory with all individual scripts).

As stated in the OP, one of my immediate goals is to make either the GitGud repo or something like it a hub of information for the project and to make it much less opaque. Having to remake threads and update them is unwieldy compared to having a single golden copy of everything on GitGud.

>i'll make my OWN project, hah!
Sure, go for it. But much of your motivation will need to come from attributing to this project malice where simple retardation has occurred, and I don't think you'd enjoy doing that.
>>253637
Here's the Mega backup. Right now I just threw everything into it, but if it needs sorting later then I can do that.
https://mega.nz/folder/4GYFiQKL#mp2VvD2ndHM_5aZxKBKRfQ

And here's the GitGud repo. It hasn't been updated in a couple years since the codefag who ran it hasn't been too active. It's probably prudent for me to simply clone the repo from him and code it myself once I've gotten the script and game event logic worked out. I know how to work in Python.
https://gitgud.io/retardmetal/sleepy_libbie_vn

>>253601
>What happun?
Nothing. A whole lot of nothing, to the point the project has lain fallow for too long and the creative pressure we might have collectively felt is not at the PSI it used to be. But this can be fixed.
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>>253639
once the writing script is done, i'll probably code all of it myself, and i forget if there's minigames that still need to be added
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I wish you guys luck on completing your VN :)
>VN about loonix
>its fucking vaporware
Like pottery
>>253609
>more shit stapled to the ass of this project
God no. Anything but that.
I don't care who makes what, I demand libbie.
I want to make Libbie's cunnie all messie and runnie with a creamie load of my cummie.
>>253642
hey this guy looks pretty smart, maybe he should code the game
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>>253637
>IDs
I didn't check his replies so I assumed that all of them were to me, I did post 4 times almost in a row, 2 without reply links so maybe it looked weird. Can't edit posts so I couldn't correct myself after realizing.

>CryptPad, Google Doc, Microsoft Teams, script isn't a text file
There's a million ways to slice a text file. On one hand I may be the only one left who still cares about this stuff to this extent, but on the other hand I did start off in this thread trying to look into the project in case I could do something for it, and failed. I just absolutely despise all these fucking web apps that require me to use a specific browser with specific settings to be able to view it, especially if there's not a need for it.

>The contributions of the artists actually increased after I stopped updating the script as regularly
I guess I stand corrected then, although the previous thread did last almost 2 years. Is this the right time to mention that the project is over 4 years old?

>Apparently the swimsuit was suggested by the guy in the drawthread who wants every girl to wear a swimsuit
I didn't mention it but I know there's some autist who has been requesting something like this ("wearing a swimsuit and playing in the mud") for many years straight in every draw thread on every imageboard, that actually makes it even worse because he's getting a whole lot of validation and attention from this.

>Are you really at the point where you're getting butthurt about there being too many portraits in a VN?
Depends on context. For someone's personal fetish and an OC that came out of nowhere and that nobody asked for and that isn't particularly attractive (in the same way that Libbie is), if the artist draws them just for the heck of it then whatever, but from the outside it looks like this is being made into a more significant part of the story. Now, it could be fun if there was a pool somewhere that you could go to, and this character was almost exclusively found there. Or maybe the story does need more side characters to fill in spots anyway, I dunno.

As for the spreadsheet, I already expressed my opinion which is that I think an expression requires context. I don't know what VNs are typically like, but it strikes me as a poorly communicated development process that reeks of modern game development and outsourcing when you fill a spreadsheet with out-of-context generic expressions instead of saying "we need these expressions for this scene". More art = more better, but the art should be designed according to an actual need, and my personal experience is that it's much harder to make art when you don't know what it's for. There's countless different ways and reasons to express anger for instance.

>When Xx_BigTittyLibbieLover_xX stepped in and started doing a lot of concept sketching, almost everyone was happy except for maybe a couple one-off posts from anons who didn't substantiate their feelings
He's not a bad artist and it's maybe commendable how productive (relative to typical anon productivity or lack thereof) he is, but he hits a critical WRONG in his depiction of Libbie, it's basically an entirely different character. I don't know how many people actually like it vs not liking it, but most people who don't won't say anything because they don't want to be rude in this kind of situations and maybe can't even put into words why they dislike it, so you mostly hear the positive comments who'll probably also push back against the negative ones.

It's possible that he's the only one who's willing and capable of doing proper art so maybe it was inevitable, but it's also possible that there's been other artists who turned away because the art was already being done or they didn't like the art style. I noticed a comment FROM HIM originally wondering if he's needed because there was already an artist at that time. I've personally been somewhat interested at different points in time, either doing art or helping other artists tweak theirs, but you can't join now without mimicking his style because he's so far off-design that a more correct drawing would look like a different character, and when something is this broken it's easier to just say "start over" than try to fix it.

It would be too arrogant for me to say that his art needs to be replaced, but at the same time it's very unappealing if you know what Libbie is supposed to look like, and makes me not want to participate. The old artist was also way off, but seemed like it was mostly due to lack of skill/experience.

>If the libbies look too buoyant for you then that's fine, but frankly I just think you're a homo.
I associate the obsession towards fatness with blacks and porn addiction (that atrocious slut shirt on brown (note: brown, not black as per the original design) Libbie isn't helping), and "mommy"/"cake"-style character designs with infantilization and porn addiction (I've seen more manga and characters like this than I can count and it's always because you want to be treated like a child or a weak/inferior being).

There's a difference between making a sexy depiction of a character or emphasizing boobs/hips/butt or other feminine features, and projecting some gross fetishes on it. You can use "buoyant" or whatever retarded words you want to skirt around what you're actually doing but [fat] is neither feminine nor healthy. It's also not attractive in reality which is partly why I refer to it as a porn addiction thing, because when you're addicted to porn you start to steer further and further from reality and becoming more attracted gross things like sunibee donut anuses. If you want to make that then that's your prerogative, but then you can't complain when I hate you for taking the community project featuring the traditionally attractive Libbie and turning it into that shit.

>my OWN project
>much of your motivation will need to come from malice
I know, I'd stop caring in a few days and regret making the promise to dedicate all that time on such a project. I don't even know anything about VNs because the closest thing to one that I've ever played was some Flash dating sims in Newgrounds. If I actually started a community project then it probably wouldn't be a VN.

>having a single golden copy of everything on GitGud
That would be my feedback if I stop complaining for a second. I should be able to just download all of the everything from one link, read the scripts and browse things, tinker with the code, build the game myself and play it. There should also be instructions or todo lists or something included that help in finding stuff to do and how to contribute.

I hate mega because I have no idea what it wants out of my browser, it randomly works and randomly doesn't, it works better on my "outdated" browser than on my newer one but then gets frozen when the download is at 100%, I'd have to install chrome or standard firefox or something to access the files. Just give me a fucking zip you fucking webdev cucks, browsers have links and downloads built-in, you don't need to build a 800 megabyte web app for it. Be thankful that I'm not a dictator or I'd incinerate all of you and all of your family 5 layers up your ancestry to make sure this shit never happens again.

Anyway, where to put the files is up to you or whoever's managing them. Maybe mega is more comfortable to use, but Gitgud allows a direct .zip download that doesn't require opening/learning their bloated web app: https://gitgud.io/retardmetal/sleepy_libbie_vn/-/archive/master/sleepy_libbie_vn-master.zip
This revolutionary technology allows you to click it and have the file appear in your downloads folder.

>I have frequently asked for input and suggestions regarding it throughout all the threads, and I get basically nothing in response
I haven't been around during those times so I can't tell how it went, but from my perspective I really don't even know where I'd begin contributing from here. I feel very blind towards the project in a way, and I don't know if/what I can/should contribute. Maybe I'd just annoy the writer who has his own plans. That's why I'd want some kind of comprehensive to-do list or outlining of the project, ideally all in the same download. Maybe nobody feels like they're "in charge" so everyone's waiting for someone else to decide things.
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>>>253658
>I don't know how many people actually like it vs not liking it, but most people who don't won't say anything because they don't want to be rude in this kind of situations and maybe can't even put into words why they dislike it, so you mostly hear the positive comments who'll probably also push back against the negative ones.
Ah yes, imageboards are especially well known for their userbase being very reluctant to share their opinions and never hating on things. Anons only ever speak their mind when they have fully thought out a well formulated response, and would never just call you a retarded niggerfaggot if they don't like what you're doing.
<Maff is fat
The only thing fat about her is her tits. The one who could stand to lose some weight is base Libbie.
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>>253661
>spoiler
In my niggar opinion base Libbie is wholesome enough as is, no need to mess with her mass or dimensions.
>>253661
People are far more reluctant to be harsh towards someone who's trying to make stuff, especially if it looks like they've put in a lot of effort. I've seen a lot of times when someone posts shit art or a shit game but everyone's on 100% sugarcoating mode when they talk about it.

I'm more in gamedev spaces than art spaces these days, there was one boxing game in particular that stood out to me because the dev was asking, on imageboards, what he's doing wrong since it isn't getting any attention. The only comments people gave were something about marketing, even though the actual reason is that his game obviously looked like absolute fucking trash to anyone who's played videogames before.
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>>253637
>Apparently the swimsuit was suggested by the guy in the drawthread who wants every girl to wear a swimsuit
No, you got that wrong.
The concept for Xue was that she was either a runner or a swimmer to emphasize XFCE's speed, see >>220425
The swimmer felt more unique than runner so it was developed further.
There's also the advantage that a pose with a swimsuit is easier to adapt to new clothes.
Still, she's more of a cameo, this striking change in clothes compared to others characters is something positive IMO.

Here's a concept of Xue in casual clothes.  But I won't invest into that until there's some good tangible progress in this VN.

>>253621
Hey, look!  The sperg is back.
It would be great if you used that energy to actually help the project but we all know you won't do that.
Bitching is easier.

>swimsuit fetish character
That's your new straw man?
If you think that tame one-piece swimsuit is fetishistic, then that's a problem with you.
Xue's proportions are fairly moderate, maybe even boring when compared to someone like Maff.
And your fetish argument also applies to the other artist that clearly exercised his gigantic breasts fetish.
I'm not saying this is bad, I like his style, it's very good.
It's you, the sperg, that is seeing a problem with everything for whatever reason.
Again, you can't help, you can't be productive, so you bitch.


>>253665
>everyone's on 100% sugarcoating mode
Strange, my personal experience was the opposite on every *chan.
Specially in these threads with the vocal spergman bitching about Xue.
A good artist knows how to absorb good criticism, regardless if it's framed politely or rudely and ignore bad criticism.
>>253676
>It would be great if you used that energy to actually help the project but we all know you won't do that.
it would also be great if you addressed any of his valid criticism instead of being a flustered bitch and taking it personally and responding with smartass unfunny zingers like a low IQ r/atheism redditor
but we all know you won't do that
>>253676
Responses to drawfags fall into two categories in my experience: people who lovebomb any content creator above autism.jpg level because they're terrified of scaring away OC creators, and crab bucket retards who actively try to scare drawfags away because they're either failed normalfags LARPing as puritans while whacking it to traps the next browser tab over or glowniggers actually getting paid to kill anti-semitic venues from the inside.
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Wait a sec, I think what that one autist always requests was "naked and playing in the mud". I feel like a swimsuit was related somehow and seeing that character triggered the association in my brain, but now I'm not sure, it's been a while.

>>253676
Bitching is certainly easier when I can't even download the files without first installing a new web browser.

>other artist that clearly exercised his gigantic breasts fetish
I didn't talk about him much because his art is not used anymore, but his art was very off-design too. I'm less bothered by big boobs because boobs are an explicit female trait (unlike general fatness), although I'd still prefer something closer to the original, especially compared to his art-libbie drawing. His art felt more fixable because it looked like it was off-design due to lack of art skill, not due to intentionally changing the design.

To be clear my biggest problem with the current artist's art is not that the characters are fat, it's that the entire thing doesn't look anything like Libbie. The hair is changed from curvy and stylized and multi-colored into simple straight human hair, the head is shaped like a human head instead of a flatter kemono head, the body is just a human with no sign of animal/kemono traits or even stylization that is characteristic of Libbie and the fat proportions just make it worse, the horns are tube-like instead of angular/jagged, the non-existent tail, the clothes and fashion styles are way more real-life-like and uncharacteristic of Libbie, the pale and brown color scheme instead of high contrast and black, there's no universe in which you didn't notice the completely different type of ears and their position.

And it's not because she's taller or more womanly or adult-like, but pic related is what that should actually look like. I'm not expecting anyone to be as good as Tyson-tan, but I'd imagine that if you wanted to dedicate a visual novel to this character then you'd at least try to look at this and follow the style, or at minimum the character design. It's currently neither.

>If you think that tame one-piece swimsuit is fetishistic
It's not about the swimsuit alone, I'm getting a lot of "this is someone's fetish" signals for various reasons that I won't bother getting into. I don't hate the character as much as I made it sound, but the complaint comes from a combination of 1. being combined with all the other things, 2. swimsuit character that (looks like) a fetish in an office environment, 3. potentially unwanted new characters potentially getting in the way of progress and throwing a wrench into it's direction, 4. the first and only proper character that is unrelated to Libbie and technically FOSS as a whole.

It might as well be anyone's mouse OC since the design and color scheme has no resemblance to the XFCE logo beyond the swimsuit being blue, which is a typical color for this kind of swimsuit anyway. The most unique detail of the mouse in the logo is a line under it's eye, and it wasn't incorporated into this design. Neither was the huge X which is the largest element in the logo (unless you count the hair which makes a vaguely upside-down V shape), I'd expect a kimono or a head ribbon or clothing decal or a hairpin or ponytails or something to depict that. Even if it's based on the logo, it's not a good translation of it into a character and thus feels like someone's personal OC being injected into this project, and the swimsuit thing isn't helping. I assume at least that is a criticism you're willing to absorb.
>>253683
That was a reasonable post, the point was better elaborated.
I'm the artist for Xue, so I can't speak for the others.  I hope my ID didn't change since the last post.

What bothers me most is 'why' you took so long to give this feedback.  I could've incorporated changes into Xue's design in earlier stages but now that her 14 poses are done and colored that you come around and give your opinion?

>swimsuit character that (looks like) a fetish in an office environment
Read that older post again.  Since she's a cameo, her distinct appearance make her stand out for the brief moment she'll be in the VN, that's not a bad thing.
In that post is the concept of Xue in casual clothes in case you didn't notice.
If the writer decides to turn Xue into a main character, I could provide the clothes change. But only after we see some progress in this VN first.
Finally, I was aware about clothes related problem since early on >>234582
This only proves that you didn't read the older thread and, as mentioned in the previous post, drawing casual clothes from a swimsuit is easier than the other way around.

>The most unique detail of the mouse in the logo is a line under it's eye
Exactly, that mouse in the logo is fairly generic which means any design could fit.
Xue has a simplistic design which fits with XFCE's minimalism, she also has a mob face which fits with the mouse in the logo.
Lastly, drawing a line under her eye would make her look old and tired, specially when the design is this simple.

>personal OC being injected into this project
What's the problem with OC created for this VN?
I designed Xue for this VN, there's no prior drawing of her in other context.
Also, remember that Libbie is Tyson-Tan's OC and so is Kiki.  They're both his OC but people have no problem with them but when someone else makes a OC specifically for this VN, suddenly it's a bad thing?

By the way, the introduction of Xue gave motivation to the writter.
>>251632
>Thank you for making all of these, and for reviving the thread with some genuine progress

Knowing that there are people that like what you do and want to be involved it's a great motivator in general.
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>>253683
>can't even download the files without first installing a new web browser
It's worked fine for me using a LibreWolf installation I haven't upgraded in like two years. Past a certain point you can't simply blame JavaScript.
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>>253687
>'why' you took so long to give this feedback
I haven't been paying much attention to this board in quite a while. I saw this new thread and got in the mood to check if there's something I could do, I saw the spreadsheet which triggered me >>253591 then I tried to open the script file and failed to get it open >>253593 then I didn't see a link to a github or any kind of meaningful resources or instructions so I just went "fuck it" and made a shitpost to complain (although mostly inspired by true feelings) >>253598 but then #b2b02d goaded me which caused an explosion of nerd rage >>253621 fueled by various ancient imageboard-adjacent frustrations including disappointment in this project.

>she's a cameo
You say that, but I'm talking about what it looks and feels like. Half the previous thread is portraits and extra drawings of her and she's in the OP image now so it looks like she's being promoted into being much more than a cameo. Maybe I'm the only one who felt that since I haven't been here for a while, but when I'm listing complaints this ends up getting thrown into the pile.

>fits with XFCE's minimalism
Minimalism doesn't make for a good design, it has an effect of emphasizing something else, but there's no memorable characteristics to emphasize other than the swimsuit which has no clear connection to XFCE or the logo. You can say that you took the blue from the logo and the swimsuit represents speed, but it doesn't work in the other direction; you don't see anything reminiscent of XFCE when you see the character, you just see a mouse in a swimsuit.
>drawing a line under her eye would make her look old and tired
You don't have to add it exactly as in the logo, it could be in the cheek or at the side or have a different shape or made by hair coming in from the side or something. I don't know if it's viable to just slap it onto this character though since it wasn't designed with it in mind. You could probably add X-like design/detail in the clothes somehow or have a retarded anime quirk like using lots of words with X in the dialogue and capitalizing them, e.g. "seXy and eXciting".

>What's the problem with OC created for this VN
It's not related to Libbie, it's your design rather than an official one or a proper community-approved one like Libbie or a community-designed one, it doesn't really look like XFCE, it's the only one, and it "wasn't part of the plan".

I feel like I'm getting derailed backwards from what I want to say, so I'll just say that it's not a problem if everyone wants and likes the idea of these characters and nobody is burdened by the extra work to add them. However, it would feel a lot less weird if there were a bunch of anon-made FOSS mascots (or even a bunch of other FOSS mascots), that way quirky OCs would fit in much better, but it's very strange when this kind of character is the only one that's not Libbie.

>>253688
There's a certain point where I stop disabling plugins and reverting configurations and just say fuck this AIDS.
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>>253689
>There's a certain point where I stop disabling plugins and reverting configurations and just say fuck this AIDS.
It's insane how dead set you are on pretending like 4-6 clicks in uBlock or uMatrix is like climbing a mountain. What's the freeware metatron? RFTM, faggot.
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>>253689
Nah… Xue's going to stay as she is.  Get fucked!
You're an envious and talentless moron who can't do anything but bitch and moan.
Let's remember your older posts: >>230229 and >>241415, sperging as much as now.

Have your ((( you ))) and some Xue art.
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>>253658
>I don't know what VNs are typically like
Yeah, that much is obvious.
>I think an expression requires context
>I've personally been somewhat interested at different points in time, either doing art or helping other artists tweak theirs, but you can't join now without mimicking his style 
If you wanted to contribute, you would have done so instead of inventing reasons that The Shadow Libbie Council would have rejected you. Going off-model in a VN? Most VNs are made by nocturnal anime-addicted shut-ins who can barely draw their own characters on model, let alone follow a style guide or imitate the giant tits style. You can tell this is the case because there is literally a second artist who has been drawing "off-model" for fucking months.

There are a grand total of four people working on the project: me writing it, two drawfags, and one codefag who hasn't been needed in a long time and isn't strictly necessary (although it'd certainly be nice to have him). There is nobody telling you that you cannot help or contribute, provided that you act like an adult and ask.

>schizo rambling about fat mommy nigger porn addiction
>>253683
>I'm getting a lot of "this is someone's fetish" signals for various reasons that I won't bother getting into
I can tell you're an expert.

>>253676
Thanks for correcting me about the swimsuit stuff. It's been a while and I'd forgotten exactly what your process was.
>But I won't invest into that until there's some good tangible progress in this VN.
I hope to have something meaningful soon once I've gotten things organized and made the GitGud repo into a central hub.
>>253729
I don't think that this anon and the posts you're quoting are the same. The tone is very different and the posts here are more of the genuine (if grating) autistic type rather than the spastic red text abuse and spurious questions in the older posts. So, while this anon is definitely a faggot, he has made a few much-needed points that have helped cut to the quick of the issue, which I appreciate.
So, with that autism out of the way, could the drawfag for Libbie/Maff/Art/T.T. report in? I just want to know if you're here, and if you're also holding off on drawing until I've made more progress with the script.
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>>253642
> i forget if there's minigames that still need to be added
I believe there is some boilerplate code for the fuse box puzzle on day 1, but the rest of them don't have any code or any design beyond "visual logic puzzle for art, word logic puzzle for libbie, math puzzle for maff".
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>>253946
this looks like an interesting thread, but it's too damn long. can someone give me the tl;dr?
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>257012
LOS 5 MEJORES MOMENTOS DE ❖ Ouyang ❖ Libi 💚🤍

5.
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>>257053
何を言ってるの、全然分からない
>>257012
- Project's been going on for too long and the creative fire behind it has stalled.
- The Git repo is poorly organized, making it hard for people to find out how they can contribute.
- One very autistic guy doesn't like the art style and big titty Libbies.
- Things generally need to be cleaned up and made clearer.
- Script for day 5 and the various endings need to be finished.
- Those scripts need to be added to the game.
- Puzzles need to be added to the game.

That's the off-the-cuff list of things to do. I've been busy job searching and I have an event coming up this week so that's taken up all my focus.
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>>257963
The fuck is that?
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>>257999
i will watch the sky as it turns to black
and i see the stars constellations map

where i need to be at this point in time
the lights are overheard
burning bright at night
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>>253945
I'm here(?), tbh, I've been away for so long because life and work got in the way. 
I dont know if you guys have replaced me or something.

If not, I dont know if I should just carry on as usual, because based on a lot of criticism here, you guys are talking a lot about redesigning the whole characters.
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>>263101
My vote is to ignore the fuckers. You have to commit to one vision for the project, otherwise nothing can ever get done.
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>>263106
Thought so, its been too long (my fault really) and too late to do a lot of changes.
>>257963
>>258491
the libbie vn is looking great
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i can't remember if i posted this or not but some Swedish guy included fucking Libbie and one of the 8chan posts verbatim in his DOCTORAL THESIS from 2022  (page 180)
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>>263222
page 171*

this is truly incredible
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>>263223
This was definitely posted in the last thread, but it's a good read so I appreciate you bringing it up again. I'm surprised that a Swede would copy language like fag, but perhaps he's just that disconnected from the outside world.
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>>263101
Ignore the incompetent, they can't create, they can't help.  The only thing they can do is complain.
I like your drawings and I suggest you focus on your style, the usual.  Finish what's missing as said in >>253355 spreadsheet.

>redesigning
Anyone suggesting this is only trying to kill this already slow project by procrastination and futility.
When this VN is complete, then we can think about redesign.
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>>263101
>I dont know if you guys have replaced me or something.
That's never going to happen.
>I dont know if I should just carry on as usual
You should. The only person criticizing you is some faggot who didn't bother to read the last thread. Nobody is talking about redesigning anyone, and we all like your style.

Please continue working towards filling out the rest of the expressions in the spreadsheet in >>253355. Any progress is great. I am still behind on my writing.
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>EGGS-face mascot
<is a fucking rat
This is why loonixtrannies shouldn't be allowed to design anything ever.
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>>264373
. It is pronounced X F C E as four individual letters, like K D E. I don’t  understand what you mean by this post. Why cant people never just be happy ever
>>263315
me wand do fug de mobface mos :DDD
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>>264892
Cuuuuute!
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>>264892
I want to stain that crotch hair until its all matted and sticky.
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>>265043
Finished version
>>265043
she's uhh.. a rat. Her whole body has fur dude.
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>>265045
You're so good to us, anon. Thank you.
>>265054
look closer
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>>265045
very nice rat dude. appreciate the artwork you do on here!
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>>253355
Math Shy and Scared

Give feedback and stuff. I will finish Laughing, Sad and Serious in a few days. Although I think Sad is already done? Its been a while so I dont remember what the problem was with it.
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>>265328
Ops, forgot the transparency
>>265045
>being a furfag
>>265328
I am just about to step out the door, but I will give feedback in the next day or so. They look good at first glance.
>>265328
She sure has long thumbs.
>>265328
>>265329
I want to cuddle with this woman.
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>>265328
Laughing
>>265373
Imagine laughing so hard you dislocate your own shoulder.
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>>265379
I don't know about shoulder but you could probably lockjaw if you laughed real hard
>>265373
Seeing her laugh in person would be amazing. She'd jiggle a lot.
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>>265328
Sad looks good. I'm happy to call that final.

>>265329
I'm really happy with how her left bicep looks in the Scared expression, but her right forearm is a bit too thin and her right hand looks weird. Her left hand also looks too wide, but the position of the fingers is good.

I think you need to redo her right forearm and right hand, and make her left hand a little thinner.

>>265373
I like the expression on her face, and her head looks good. However, her right pinky finger is too short so it needs to be redrawn.

One thing that I didn't notice in the last thread but which >>265379 pointed out is that her right shoulder sometimes changes heights but her boobs never move (except for Maff_Shy here). Going back and redrawing the other expressions to fix this would be a lot of work, and it is a pretty minor detail, so I'm fine leaving it this way. But it's something to keep in mind for future images.
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>>265432
Fixed I think, can you do some red circle to show where correction needed? I got lost which right and left
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>>265450
Her hands look better. Thanks.

When I was talking about the shoulders, I meant that if her shoulders move then her breasts should move too. Her right shoulder (that is, HER right. the one on OUR left) is usually higher. When she lowers that shoulder, her boobs should move too.

In Maff_Shy, one of her shoulders rose, and her boobs rose with it. But in Maff_Angry one of her shoulders went down, but her boobs stayed in the same place. I drew some red lines to show what I mean. Does that help?
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>>265452
Sorry, I also wanted to mention that her boobs look really good, and if you want to fix this problem then you would need to redraw them for every image where she moves her shoulders. That would be a lot of redrawing, so it's your decision if you want to do it or not.
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Also, this happened while I was saving files in Paint.net and I thought it was really funny.
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>>265454
Fukkin saved
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>>265328
>>265329
>>265373
>>265432
>>265450
>fat tits maff is back instead of endless bitching about her rack
Good shit, hope the VN goes somewhere this year.
In unrelated news, a /kemono/ drawfag has made a Libbie model for Project Zomboid.
>>265454
Lol
Oh hey, this project is actually still alive. Cool.
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Good news: I have gotten something resembling a job, which will last until the end of March and potentially springboard me into a real career.

Bad news: I have a lot less free time and I'm physically tired at the end of the day.

Good news: I care more about spending my free time on things that are meaningful to me.
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>>267300
are you the same autist from the land of steers and queers or is this a different writefag or am i fucking retarded and getting someone confused. 

i completely forgot this thread even existed
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>>267302
I'm the writer for the VN. I don't normally use the name field but I guess I got tired of prefacing my posts with "Writefag here."
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>>267300
>>267302
>>267327
This is an anonymous board.
Anyone can claim to be anyone, anyone can use the name field.
Assuming there's no tripfaggotry here, the best way around this is if the writer has a way to reach him directly.
Be a Matrix user, Shitter, Kikebook, whatever.
A method to verify what the writer is up to is necessary other than simple namefag posts.
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>>267330
no it’s not that’s fucking gay. no one should be setting up anything else that is unnecessary. the only reason I ask is because someone way back in 2018 was doing something similar.
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>>267330
You can reach me directly by posting in this thread. I've never done anything but say "writefag here" before and it hasn't suddenly become a problem.
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>>265452
Serious.
I think this the last one, and about the breast fixes, I dont think I cant redraw it again. I remind myself bout it for the next emoticon.
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Ops just notice the cleavage is lacking
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>>268190
>>268191
She looks great. Thanks for your work.
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Have a bump with some art.
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>>269296
Cute and just a bit lewd. Very nice.
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