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This is my first time making a thread like this so please bare with me:
A general thread dedicated to The discussion of plant cultivation for whatever purpose, in my case for food, and yes I am the Melon guy and seeing as I'm starting this thread I'll give you guys a little update. Nig is basically dead, he fell over 2 days after I took away the supports, the cutting of Ger is doing relatively well, but I didn't want to make you guys all gloomy I have a seed germinating. (see pics related) Out of all my Previous attempts this one came out the best, you guys made it better.

Links for your own planting endeavors:
http://buildipedia.com/at-home/landscaping/planting-101-understanding-the-basics-of-growing-a-garden
https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/plant-propagation-by-stem-cuttings-instructions-for-the-home-gardener
https://www.garden-network.co.uk/listing/how-to-make-a-home-made-propagator#:~:text=The%20easiest%20and%20simplest%20way,Cut%20the%20bottle%20in%20half.
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>>131 (OP) 
Nice to see this thread is up. I just came to /k/ to see if anyone started one. Hopefully the BO doesn't mind a somewhat off topic thread.

Other than that I'd like to add a little advice to anyone getting started: 
If you're living the US I'd recommend checking for your  local agricultural extension. They will often times have tonnes of amazing documentation and research pertaining to you're local area. check the link to find one close to you. 
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/extension-search

One final thing, tomorrow I'll be posting some current pics of my ongoing cultivation efforts. I plan on taking measurements tomorrow for new raised beds. Will explain in further detail tomorrow as I need some sleep.
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>>133
Godspeed anon, godspeed.
>>133
It's not off-topic. Cultivation is related to prepping and survivalism, both on-topic discussions for /k/.
>>131 (OP) 
That's a sad looking seedling.
Too much soil moisture, not enough airflow.
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>>137
that's what I told him earlier. 

Gonna head out to do measurements should be back with in a few hours
>>137
Plz no bulli Ger fell over and he's drying up our because of it
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Alright I have returned.
So my plans for next year are to plant the following:
>Garlic/ Onions (both in the ground already; see pics related)
>Pumpkins
>Corn
>Beans 
>Sweet Potatoes
>Blackberries
>Strawberries
>Cucumbers
>MELONS
>Peanuts 
>Various herbs
>A Chestnut tree
>Multiple Hazelnut trees
>2 Apple trees 
>Tomatoes
>Peppers (Bell, Poblano, Habanero, and Jalapeno)
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>Garlic/ Onions
>Pumpkins
>Corn
>Beans 
>Sweet Potatoes
>Blackberries
>Strawberries
>Cucumbers.
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>MELONS
>>140
Wait
>first pic 01
>second pic 04
Are there any missing images anon?
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>>143
I found this muddy patch of land a fair ways away from local civilization. Its a bit hard to dig in, and it likes to stick to the shovel. I assume that means it's pretty moist ground, does that make it good for planting?
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>>160
send pictures, from your description it sounds very clay rich which is generally not great for planting. The amount of organic matter also is very important as well
Hi guys I'm back with really fucking sad news, NIG AND GER ARE FUCKING DEAD but I've got some seeds and I'm ready to start again hope fully I don't go full nigger and fuck it up this time. 
This is a copy paste from the thread on /b/
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>>165
Don't know if this is offtopic but my neighbor has a mango tree and a shit-ton of mangos that fall under my property. What could I do with them? I can't use all of them and nobody in neighborhood wants them. I was thinking of turning it into wine but I don't know how it is going to taste like. I hate to see it go to waste.
>>167
>wine
always a good choice, shouldn't taste to bad.
In addition to that you could also can them, as it always nice to have some.
>>167
>wine
Just a heads up to anyone getting into brewing.
Pectin concentration is one of the components that cause yeast to produce methanol.
You'll need to fractionalize it if you ever plan to concentrating.
>>131 (OP) 
I would strongly recommend you Anons invest in an independent irrigation system if you haven't already. If possible, dig a well, and if not set out some rainwater barrels. Anything is better than city water that can be shut off by fedniggers.
Anyone had luck with worm farming? Noticed my compost bin was stinking more than usual so I was gonna add about 50-100 wrigglers to it. Can earthworms eat meat? What about animal feces?
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>>523
They can eat it but very slowly as it breaks down. Best bet is to add some soil, a mix of top soil and peat moss. Once you have some dirt it serves forever just throw it on the trash and add the worms. Close lid and wait. Make sure the bin isnt in full sun and the lid is closed.
>>160
Best bet is to stay away unless you want to invest in soil improvement. If you want add peat moss and topsoil, then grow less nutrient using crops like tomatos, berries etc. Avoid potatoes and other such vegetables.
>>167
Cut mango into slices. Salt and dry them. Keeps without a fridge.
>Log on
>check /k/ out
>plant-bros are growing things
>see World Upside-Down book is back
>>4636
Nice day today.
>>167
>Mangos
Pickle them.
Also if you get the chance tap the sap//fruit skins unripe (Flowers work kinda) you can press the Urushiol (same thing as poison ivy) out as a laquer for wood projects or a biological irritant for self defense like pepperspray.
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What the fuck do I do if I live in the middle of a fucking desert?
Build a greenhouse or something?
>>5395
>Build a greenhouse or something?
Sure, why not.
Also have you considered not living in the desert?
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>>5395
Basically everything that Cody is doing.
https://piped.video/playlist?list=PLKhDkilF5o6-Hfsnhn_HFxjJ0jz45D3oE
>>5398
Eh, its not so bad and it keeps the niggers away.
>>5395
Make a shadehouse. Even better combine a shadehouse with a greenhouse because that will let you control humidity and protect from nightly near freezing temps so it'll expand the crops you can grow.
Beyond that consider growing aridland versions of vegetable crops. There's tons of desert adapted corn varieties, probably more than "normal" corn varieties in fact. Check out Native Seed SEARCH and use that as a jumping off point.
>>5395
Speaking of eggs though, I've heard that quail are a good source of eggs. Is that true? Are they hard to keep?
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How about chickens?
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>>5526
For egg or meat?
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>>5539
Eggs.
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>>5544
It kind of depends some breeds are good layers and some aren't. And as far as commercial laying breeds go they're probably not good long term solutions for true self sufficiency. They've been improved too much and tend to have their lives heavily front loaded to mesh well with modern industrial farming. They're probably reliant on antibiotics too for the same reasons.

I'd say some of the bantam breeds would be good choices for egg production. Use to know some one with them and they were always trying to pawn off eggs.
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Are you streloks planning your little yearly garden plots yet?
For my part I plan on going heavily for herbs & spices and greens this year. I lot of produce seems to have been a pain in the ass to get to do anything for the past several seasons. I still do plan to grow pumpkins though.

Has anyone had any experience with making a glass bottle greenhouse or conservatory?
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>>7300
is he ok
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>>7300
>little yearly garden plots
You're late if you didn't start your plants in January.
40+ tomatoes spread across a handful of varieties, butternut squash, fancy French cantaloupe, basil, cilantro, papalo, 10+ numex jalapeno, lunchbox peppers, szechuan pepper plants, flowers, onions from seed, other spices, horseradish, thornless blackberries.
I'm building a chicken coop and another micro hot house starting next month.
I'll try selling some of my tomato plants this year and roll that into another hot house.
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>>7310
>You're late if you didn't start your plants in January.
Where I am if I started plants in January they'd never make it to May. House is too cold anyway right now to germinate anything.
>papalo
Love the stuff. Have you ever had any luck saving seed?
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>>7301
>Is he ok
Yeah, the mushroom is a bolete, safe to eat.
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>>7313
Some of those are suppose to be quite choice too. I think that's a King he's holding there. I wonder what they taste like?
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>>7312
>Where I am if I started plants in January
An insulated box.
6000K LED lights provide enough blue and yellow spectrum to allow plants to grow and are cheap. (16H light cycle)
A single heating pad for a single 2010 tray. (75F)
A timer, and a temperature controller.
The timer, temperature controller, and heat pad are the most expensive parts, but they don't really break.
An insulated box is as easy as a cardboard box covered with a few blankets or building a box out of waste styrofoam, cardboard, and packing tape.

If you have a 3d printer with a heated bed, all you need is a light source, and set the bed to 75F.
If you want to go ultra cheap, a 50-60W full spectrum incandescent bulb inside of a cabinet or heat safe box on a timer. The bulb will heat the box and soil (depending on how close to the soil you place the bulb) while it's on.

>they'd never make it to May
Most plants handle temperatures down to 50F once they outgrow a 1in pot. Growth slows but they don't die.
A 2x2 foot square is enough space to house 10-20 long season plants for 3-4 months of growth from the first day of sowing seeds.
Squash, cucumbers, beans, and peas grow too quickly for that sized space.

Papalo requires a long enough season for the seeds to set, and they look like dandelion seeds.
I bought mine, but they'll seed just fine.
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>>7314
>Some of those are suppose to be quite choice too.
Boletes are top. Harold is indeed holding a king bolete most likely he likely didn't actually eat that one, by the time they get this big it's often riddled by insects, but it's a great trophy find.
Kinda similar taste as button mushrooms from the store, but like 10-20 times more aroma and flavor. If you're serious about it get a mushroom book for your state/region, most places will have some variety of boletes around. Otherwise in burgerland you can often find them in "euro food" stores, they'll be dried and that's fine as it enhances the flavor, these mushrooms are usually not cooked fresh anyway.
>>7315
>all that shit
Honestly just some plastic cups, potting soil and seeds are enough to get started <$10. Unless you have icicles hanging from the ceiling the house should be warm enough to start seedlings. There's always room to improve and optimize thing but nothing wrong with keeping it simple-stupid.
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>>7316
>all that shit
You just repeated a choice in my post.
If you aren't reading it then why even post things?
Wouldn't you fit in better on some normal platform like tiktok or instagram?
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>>7317
>You just repeated a choice in my post.
The "ultra cheap" option is still overkill for getting started, somehow folks before us did onto agriculture for centuries without heating boxes, timers or incandescent bulbs and it worked out.
It's a bit of a task to get a basic ass 60W incandescent bulb these days, stores only stock small 25W oven lights or red heating bulbs and they're stupid expensive for what they are. Thanks Joe!
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Better not to, think about the planet, strelok.
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>>7335
>grown conventionally
>conventionally
>"conventionally"
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>>7335
>A new University of Michigan-led international study finds that fruits and vegetables grown in urban farms and gardens have a carbon footprint that is, on average, six times greater than conventionally grown produce.

>However, a few city-grown crops equaled or outperformed conventional agriculture under certain conditions. Tomatoes grown in the soil of open-air urban plots had a lower carbon intensity than tomatoes grown in conventional greenhouses, while the emissions difference between conventional and urban agriculture vanished for air-freighted crops like asparagus.

>"The exceptions revealed by our study suggest that urban agriculture practitioners can reduce their climate impacts by cultivating crops that are typically greenhouse-grown or air-freighted, in addition to making changes in site design and management," said study co-lead author Jason Hawes, a doctoral student at U-M's School for Environment and Sustainability.

>"Urban agriculture offers a variety of social, nutritional and place-based environmental benefits, which make it an appealing feature of future sustainable cities. This work shines light on ways to ensure that urban agriculture benefits the climate, as well as the people and places it serves."

>Urban agriculture, the practice of farming within the confines of a city, is becoming increasingly popular worldwide and is touted as a way to make cities and urban food systems more sustainable. By some estimates, between 20% and 30% of the global urban population engages in some form of urban agriculture.

>Despite strong evidence of the social and nutritional benefits of urban agriculture, its carbon footprint remains understudied. Most previously published studies have focused on high-tech, energy-intensive forms of UA -- such as vertical farms and rooftop greenhouses -- even though the vast majority of urban farms are decidedly low-tech: crops grown in soil on open-air plots.

>The new U-M-led study, scheduled for publication Jan. 22 in the journal Nature Cities,

>aimed to fill some of the knowledge gaps by comparing the carbon footprints of food produced at low-tech urban agriculture sites to conventional crops. It used data from 73 urban farms and gardens in five countries and is the largest published study to compare the carbon footprints of urban and conventional agriculture.

>Three types of urban agriculture sites were analyzed: urban farms (professionally managed and focused on food production), individual gardens (small plots managed by single gardeners) and collective gardens (communal spaces managed by groups of gardeners).

>For each site, the researchers calculated the climate-altering greenhouse gas emissions associated with on-farm materials and activities over the lifetime of the farm. The emissions, expressed in kilograms of carbon dioxide equivalents per serving of food, were then compared to foods raised by conventional methods.

>On average, food produced through urban agriculture emitted 0.42 kilograms of carbon dioxide equivalents per serving, six times higher than the 0.07 kg CO2e per serving of conventionally grown produce.

>"By assessing actual inputs and outputs on urban agriculture sites, we were able to assign climate change impacts to each serving of produce," said study co-lead author Benjamin Goldstein, assistant professor at U-M's School for Environment and Sustainability. "This dataset reveals that urban agriculture has higher carbon emissions per serving of fruit or vegetable than conventional agriculture -- with a few exceptions."

>Joshua Newell, professor and co-director of the Center for Sustainable Systems at SEAS, led the University of Michigan portion of the project. The U-M researchers formed an international team of collaborators from universities near the various food-growing sites. Ten of those collaborators are co-authors of the Nature Cities study.

>Farmers and gardeners at urban agriculture sites in France, Germany, Poland, the United Kingdom and the United States were recruited as citizen scientists and used daily diary entries to record inputs and harvests from their food-growing sites throughout the 2019 season.

>Inputs to the urban agriculture sites fell into three main categories: infrastructure (such as the raised beds in which food is grown, or pathways between plots), supplies (including compost, fertilizer, weed-blocking fabric and gasoline for machinery), and irrigation water.

>"Most of the climate impacts at urban farms are driven by the materials used to construct them -- the infrastructure," Goldstein said. "These farms typically only operate for a few years or a decade, so the greenhouse gases used to produce those materials are not used effectively. Conventional agriculture, on the other hand, is very efficient and hard to compete with."

>For example, conventional farms often grow a single crop with the help of pesticides and fertilizers, resulting in larger harvests and a reduced carbon footprint when compared to urban farms, he said.

>The researchers identified three best practices crucial to making low-tech urban agriculture more carbon-competitive with conventional agriculture:

>    Extend infrastructure lifetimes. Extend the lifetime of UA materials and structures such as raised beds, composting infrastructure and sheds. A raised bed used for five years will have approximately four times the environmental impact, per serving of food, as a raised bed used for 20 years.

>    Use urban wastes as UA inputs. Conserve carbon by engaging in "urban symbiosis," which includes giving a second life to used materials, such as construction debris and demolition waste, that are unsuitable for new construction but potentially useful for UA. The most well-known symbiotic relationship between cities and UA is composting. The category also includes using rainwater and recycled grey water for irrigation.

>    Generate high levels of social benefits. In a survey conducted for the study, UA farmers and gardeners overwhelmingly reported improved mental health, diet and social networks. While increasing these "nonfood outputs" of UA does not reduce its carbon footprint, "growing spaces which maximize social benefits can outcompete conventional agriculture when UA benefits are considered holistically," according to the study authors.

>Co-authors of the Nature Cities paper are from McGill University in Canada, University Paris-Saclay and the Agroecology and Environmental Research Unit in France, the University of Kent in the United Kingdom, ILS Research in Germany, City University of New York and Adam Mickiewicz University in Poland.

>Support for the project was provided by the UK Economic and Social Research Council, German Federal Ministry of Education and Research, French National Research Agency, U.S. National Science Foundation, Poland's National Science Centre, and the European Union's Horizon 202 research and innovation program.
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>>7358
The key takeaway points are:
>urban farms and gardens
>Most of the climate impacts at urban farms are driven by the materials used to construct them -- the infrastructure
>grown in the soil of open-air urban plots had a lower carbon intensity than tomatoes grown in conventional greenhouses
>greenhouse gases used to produce those materials are not used effectively
So the headline is 100% bullshit and the article/study itself, while not spurious, has an extremely narrow focus. It doesn't apply to rural/suburban/exurban gardening. It assumes you're using all brand new construction materials. If they're salvaged or repurposed it would not apply. The specific crops you pick matter a great deal. Etc, etc.
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>>7344
>"conventionally"
kek
>>7359
>It assumes you're using all brand new construction materials.
Yeah definitely smells of clickbait bullshit and it's not the compost but the takeaways are sound none the less:
>Extend the lifetime of UA materials and structures such as raised beds, composting infrastructure and sheds.
>Recycle building materials.
>"growing spaces which maximize social benefits can outcompete conventional agriculture when UA benefits are considered holistically,"
To be fair I don't get a sense that they're condemning "urban agriculture" here all together.

Also doesn't seem like it's including the distribution costs: delivery trucks, building/operating stores, driving to/from store. Versus just walking to your garden.
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>>7361
>To be fair I don't get a sense that they're condemning "urban agriculture" here all together.
They weren't. I found another article somewhere else saying they whole purpose of the study was to make urban home gardening more efficient. It looks like it was just Yahoo that turned it into anti- self sufficiency click bait.
>>131 (OP) 
I didn't even realize this thread existed when I made the other one. My bad.
To get things back on track does anyone else grow corn, aside from the typical sweet yell ow or white types?
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>>7438
Seconding interest in this.
I plan on rotating some patches this year and growing corn. Would prefer to plant heirloom varieties. For what it's worth, I did play around with growing that On Deck hybrid sweet corn in large containers similar to picrelated and was impressed with the yield.
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>>7439
>I did play around with growing that On Deck hybrid sweet corn in large containers similar to picrelated and was impressed with the yield.
There is a blue sweet corn that is suppose to do extremely well in containers.
>Would prefer to plant heirloom varieties.
What kinds are you interested in?
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>>7441
It's early enough in the year that I haven't given it much consideration beyond wanting to grow a couple of patches of corn in areas where some other vegetables were suffering from insects. Thanks for mentioning the Blue Jade. Whatever I end up putting in the ground, it should be interesting to experiment with that in a few containers.
Tips for setting up a beehive?
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>>7794
How far along are you in the process? What materials do you already have?
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>>131 (OP) 
I used to get into the agriculture meme, but its unviable because of nutrient demands.  Sure you can grow some potatoes, just incase you cant find an animal or need some emergency food, but the reality is you will need to learn to hunt, clean, and cut animals. fish as well.
Only animals that are unhealthy require cooking. Drink the blood, it coagulates very quickly like jello and will hydrate you better than a stream of water and give you all the nutrients your body needs.
Red meat or fish or shell fish provides every nutrient in the best possible forms.

There is a video about these kids that were stranded on an island and survived. They survived by using shellfish or bugs to lure seagulls, then grabbing them and cutting the necks of the gulls to drink the blood. Kept them satiated.
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>>7871
>its unviable because of nutrient demands
If it is for only you or a very small group of people, you have the machinery and the knowledge/means to grow multiple things then you can do it but with all of that i mean growing oats and barley, processing them, soaking them in water, filtering them and then drinking the water to have a milk substitute... which all can be fixed by drinking real milk which also has fats.
Chinamen deep in the woods have proven, somewhat, that a rich vegetable based diet can be done, mostly due to tofu, but then again look at what happened to the poor fellows, they are tiny, male/female look-alike and intolerant to lactose.
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>>7884
They also eat big juicy grubs and live in a semi-tropical climate with alot of land per person. Grains require a shitload of land to even maintain the diet of one person. you are unironically 100x better off eating squirrels and carp. Storage food like picture related is a good way to give yourself a head-start until you can figure out how to reliably hunt and catch, prepare and preserve animal foods.

I also have some guides relevent to north america about emergency foods you can possibly find in the woods.
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