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Post about conditioning, technique, theory, training methods and frequency, sport fighting, self defence, fighters, and martial arts cinema.
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Sticky hands/kakie in action. I like using mma fighters to showcase traditional techniques when possible.
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Trapping/sticky hands example no.2
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A standing arm-bar, very similar to Aikido's Ikkyo.
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Third time trying to post Andy, let's try this again.
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What made Muhammad Ali good at fighting?
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Also this anon claimed that he had some shady underground dealings, what means?
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>he had some shady underground dealings
There was a lot of stuff. There's a documentary called Facing Ali that gets into this a bit, George Chuvalo, a Canadian boxer claims that claims that the Nation of Islam sent thugs to intimidate or harass either judges or his camp (I can't remember which), and many people feel George was robbed in his fight against Ali, which realistically probably  should have been at least a draw, if not a win for George but the Judges all had Ali ahead by (suspiciously) ludicrous margins.
The Liston fight was probably fixed too, and the FBI actually investigated Ali and others connected to his camp on this suspicion, but eventually "found no evidence of wrongdoing" (That sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it). The thing to remember is that boxing is basically the most corrupt sport there is, and still is to this day, and how incredibly political Ali was, he was the Lebron James of his day in many respects. Ali's career has been lionised by a largely afrofetishist, islamophilic sports and political establishment.
Ali was a very good fighter with some unique strengths that were/are very rare in heavyweights, but he has to be the most overrated athlete of all time, in any sport.
>What made Muhammad Ali good at fighting?
As far as what made him good at fighting, it's mostly down to defence as far as I can tell. Footwork, head movement, and an ability read his opponent. Throwing combos to control the flow and tempo of the fight. He had very mediocre power for a heavyweight, his cross landed at 1400 pounds of force. For context, a 110 pound Okinawan Karate teacher once punched the same kind of machine at nearly 2000 pounds (source for both figures: Okinawan Karate: Teacher, Styles and Secret Techniques by Mark Bishop).
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https://www.invidiou.site/watch?v=Qyor2aFI6ZI
Why you should learn martial arts instead of being a human crane
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I will not be able to afford classes in a few years but I still want to learn some basics right now. What can I do? Like keep punching for a few thousand times a day like those manga main characters do?
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>>185
>killed by a turning heel kick
B-but h-high kicks aren't e-effective on the street, T-taekwondo doesn't real!
>>187
It really depends on how serious you are. Just practising basics like you're talking about works, it can a have a tremendous effect on one's speed and power (but won't make you a good fighter on it's own), but only if you already have solid technique and an understanding of biomechanics.
There is a good reason that classical martial arts are set up the way they are, the founders wanted to able to train regardless of their circumstances.
Martial arts schools are fucked. Most legit schools can barely make rent under ideal circumstances, and even before the fake pandemic, and class numbers have been declining for years. 
But anyway, what kind of martial arts are you interested in?
>>173
>here was a lot of stuff. There's a documentary called Facing Ali that gets into this a bit, George Chuvalo, a Canadian boxer claims that claims that the Nation of Islam sent thugs to intimidate or harass either judges or his camp (I can't remember which), and many people feel George was robbed in his fight against Ali, which realistically probably  should have been at least a draw, if not a win for George but the Judges all had Ali ahead by (suspiciously) ludicrous margins.
>The Liston fight was probably fixed too, and the FBI actually investigated Ali and others connected to his camp on this suspicion, but eventually "found no evidence of wrongdoing" (That sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it). The thing to remember is that boxing is basically the most corrupt sport there is, and still is to this day, and how incredibly political Ali was, he was the Lebron James of his day in many respects. Ali's career has been lionised by a largely afrofetishist, islamophilic sports and political establishment.
I don't know why, but it seems that a lot of afro boxers have been either cheated or have connections with big people who shill their careers.
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>>198
>seems that a lot of afro boxers have been either cheated or have connections with big people
Anon, that's just boxing. Like I said, it's probably the most corrupt sport there is, and that's saying a lot when football exists. Also there are shitloads of black boxers, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. 
<gay triangle mafia supports /theirnigger/, calls in (((media favours))), create a super-celebrity who will advance the anti-white cause
>black guy just wants to fight and earn a living, maybe get famous
Guess who gets screwed by the (((judges))) and (((promoters))). Black nationalists are just cats'-paws and useful idiots, so you don't need to tell me that Elijah Mohammed was an anti-semite. That's not an argument.
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This woman has one of the most impressive tsuki I've ever seen. What she's doing is truly incredible.
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>Planning to restart my martial arts pursuits
>Over a decade of experience before the lie of post-secondary education lead me away from home
>Feeling good, dojo is still open, working up to call sensei and get back to it
>This all begins
Shit sucks. Anyone have any tips on rounding myself back into form? Both in terms of technique and in developing a physique for martial arts. I was doing karate, if that changes anything.
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Your situation is very similar to mine. I have about 15 years of off and on training experience in a few styles (I moved around a lot so I couldn't stick with just one), I had missed a couple years of training and I was getting used to a new job and looking for a school to join when I got laid off and all the martial arts schools closed down because of this bullshit.
So I've been working on rebuilding my foundation on my own. What kind of karate did you practice if you don't mind my asking? I used to do some Kyokushin, and still practice Sanchin and Taekyoku kata occasionally.
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Shotokan. I was part of a small little dojo that coincidentally had this exact picture of Funakoshi hanging above the training floor >>156.
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>>263
That's cool. Do you remember any kata? I would start with that and flexibility first, then cardio if you haven't kept up on that. I bought a heavy bag and stand (because I don't have room inside for it) which was somewhat expensive, but I work on it almost every day so I'm getting my money out of it. I just make sure to strike with proper mechanics, trying to hit as hard as possible without causing the bag to swing, it's almost as good as a makiwara. Maybe look into doing bagwork if you don't do that already.
It's hard to give advice without knowing much about your skill level, maybe you're better than me. Because of my situation, constantly moving around, I have had to rely on my own self motivated study and training more than anything, so I read a lot of books, bought DVD training courses, and did a lot of experimentation and developed my theoretical understanding a lot, training wherever I could when I could afford it, which wasn't as often as I would have liked. I had a training partner for a while, and that's something I would look into, see if any friends or acquaintances are interested in something like that, even if they are green. It can help to improve your own technique even because you start to look at things really analytically.
the majority of my formal training is in a Chinese martial art, but boxing and karate style training is what I found I tend to gravitate towards in my personal training the most, and karate is what I've studied the most in terms of theory and history, so if you're looking for new material or something to make the basics interesting again, I can recommend some resources.
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I can probably remember most if not all of my pre-black belt katas if I clear my mind and move on instinct. Anything past that/weapons katas are probably buried far too deep to dig up on my own. I've never really done much cardio work, and flexibility exercises should be easy to pick up. There's a punching bag I have access to. It's not a hanging bag, but it should do. Feel free to dump what you have on theory/history and maybe some basics-sharpening routines, if you have em.
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Well, what I would do is pick two, maybe three kata, and use that as a base. The idea is to develop "karate movement"  based on the form, while diving in to the bunkai, using other's analysis as well as your own. The kata contain everything, the biomechanical principles of their style, and they are conditioning tools as well as the "books" containing the technical content of a style. You'll want to start practising these kata once per day, and eventually working up to many daily repetitions. Some Chinese practitioners would practice their main form 30 times a day, and gongfu forms tend to be much longer than karate forms. Naha-te schools on Okinawa would train their students in Sanchin kata for 3 years (of daily practise) before they allowed them to learn or practise anything else, and it was considered to take 9 years to fully master Sanchin kata, as exemplified by the saying three years the stance, three years the step, three years the strike.
Some resources:
http://www.iainabernethy.co.uk/
He mostly works on Shuri-te kata application, so being from a Shotokan background you'll be working from the same pool of kata. He has a really solid, common sense, no-nonsense approach. Maybe check out his youtube videos to start.
https://www.wayofleastresistance.net/
This guy stopped updating his blog in 2018, and also turned into a bit of a faggot if you ask me, but there is still a lot of really good material on body mechanics and general principles. He's a Goju practitioner so his kata are from the Naha-te group, there probably won't be any that you practice specifically. He also talks about the "internal" styles (Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, Baguazhuang), the principles of which I think every martial artist should try to understand, even if they don't practise them.
https://ryukyuma.blogspot.com/2014/05/systemantic-exploration-of-kata-bunkai.html
Another Naha-te guy, but once again, a lot of really good general information and kata theory. He also touches on kyusho-jutsu.
All these guys have jewtube channels, and I'd look into those, as well as Rick Hotton, he's a Shotokan guy who has really good movement, and is an excellent teacher who actually can and does explain the "whys" and "Hows" of what your doing, which is really rare. I posted one of his videos as a webm here >>135
Also, read the screencaps posted in this thread, I picked most of them very carefully. What's posted here could transform most people's martial arts if it was put into practice.
In case you're not familiar with the terms "Naha-te" and "Shuri-te", it is a distinction between the two major branches or styles of karate, similar to the distinction between "Northern fist/Beiquan" and Southern Fist/Nanquan" in gongfu. Each uses a separate family of kata. Shuri-te is uses the classic 3 stances (front/bow stance, horse stance, cat stance) reminiscent of the mainstream Shaolin styles as a base, is known for speed and agility and long range fighting. It's considered ideal for smaller framed people. Examples of Shuri-te are Shotokan and Shorin-ryu styles, and the kata Naihanchi, Tekki and Niseishi/Nijushiho. Naha-te is derived from Southern Chinese styles that also use Sanchin/Saamchien as base, like White Crane, and may be a distant relative of Xingyiquan. it's much more upright, and tends to focus on short range striking and in-fighting with clinch work and joint control. It's considered ideal for stockier types. Examples of Naha-te are Goju-ryu and Uechi-ryu, and the kata Sanchin (obviously), Tensho and Suparimpei. Some styles, like Kyokushin and Shito-ryu incorporate kata from both groups. It's rarely a clear cut black and white situation, and you'll find elements of both everywhere. 
As far as a specific training routine, do some research on Hojo Undo, which is karate specific strength training (see pic related for results) and just think about what you used to do in class. Try to use that as a base and build on it. I know you probably won't have partners to spar with, so make sure to try and replace that with time on the punching bag. Make sure you get time in actually hitting something at full power. Read about what the masters used to do and start working up to it. I believe Funakoshi himself recommended 30 minutes a day for solo training, split between kata and hitting the makiwara. Other guys trained until they pissed blood. What works for you will be different than what works for someone else. 
>books
There are a few books I can recommend, but really, as first priority I would just buy a hard copy of Patrick McCarthy's Bubishi. It's required reading for karateka of all styles. Treat it like a bible, read it, reread it, leave it alone for a while then come back to it. It will set you on the right path if you take it seriously and think about what's implied, rather than outright stated.
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I rather like this little routine, I think I'll add it on to my daily program. I'd like to start improving my leg skills.
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>>266
Started training yet?
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I've found my warmup/stretching routine, though I may have overstated my ability to recall the moves. I'm having trouble with anything past the second Heian kata. I'll have to start researching the forms and try to fill in the gaps. I can remember some segments of other more advanced kata, Jion for example. I know its unique start and remember the lead up to a jump at one point. There's also an outside chance that I have a book somewhere in my house that outlines various kata, so I may go looking for that too. I'll be doing the stretches in the meantime to gain flexibility while I try to build my knowledge base anew.
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>first webm

IIdII'd pay good money for someone to shoop a hacky sack into it.
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>>384
While I don't think anyone should learn a form from scratch by video, there's nothing wrong with using video to relearn or jog your memory.
>>387
Funnily enough my Kyokushin instructor encouraged us to play hacky sack as a way to improve our kicks and footwork, and I've heard of Taekwondo instructors doing the same.
My definition of martial arts is very cerebral which had gotten me pointed out by some as an autist when i argued that things like throwing molotovs or using drone IEDs should be included under "martial" arts as they are often used in warfare which undoubtedly requires acumen in some form of martial arts to engage in. Now, these small things are components of the tactics martial artists use to gain victory and shouldnt be taken literally as "My martial art is 'The Way Of Throwing Grenades" but the point is these components are circumstantial and are rely on a core set of biomechanical skills and mental flexibility to be effective or martially sound as we have yet to transcend flesh and bone. Generally spealing this means having a well rounded physique is key but probably should make up a small portion of martial arts training and the largest portion should be development of the kinesthetic ability that makes you as deadly as possible for the environment you're in. I've naturally improved through repitition though as things have closed up this year ive had less sparring which is huge for building confidence in your ability. There are always tools like heavy bags, dead weight trainers or striking posts to work around that but it is much more beneficial to experience getting hit or making someone miss in a competitive setting. What alternatives to sparring has anyone here found for sharpening their competitive mind?
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Practice update: Well, the good thing about falling off the horse early is that it doesn't take too much effort to get back to where you were. Personal bullshit has impeded progress over the last week, so I'm restarting things. I am having trouble finding a place that's both open enough and private enough to practice. Certain rooms of the house end up empty, but it's inconsistent. Outside is an option but as the weather gets colder, I'd rather not have to suit up every time I practice.
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>>529
Since you can't even muster up the testicular fortitude to train out in the cold with a few less layers maybe you should give up and consider knitting since then youll always be able to makr yourself a blankie whrn it gets too cold.
>i cant throw air punches because this room is too small
>i cant train in this room either because i lack the discipline to ignore people
>im too weak to train in the cold without a sweater but im too lazy to put it on anyways
Well shit, I guess youve got to be training the most useless martial art that has ever existed. Heres a tip though if you want to improve it: 

MAN THE FUCK UP
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>>543
>consider knitting since then youll always be able to makr yourself a blankie whrn it gets too cold. 
Preach to me more about discipline, faggot-senpai.
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>>544
I could directly quote you your post but i doubt it would register to you how much of a pansy you sound like. Kata is nothing. If you start training, do it outside more and your body will acclimate. Cold training tends to wire your body towards producing heat more rapidly as you give it the signs it needs to start up. Basic kata shouldnt impede you from training anywhere that you can extend both your arms out without touching anything and if it does then think of it as an opportunity to practice hung gar or wing chun.
>got mired by some black dude at the gym when I was punching the heavy bag
>"damn bro you're going crazy on that thing"
>told him it's great cardio and he should get a pair of gloves and have at it

feels good man. I'm still hoping to get enough money to start actually going to a boxing gym for real since I've done bag work and stuff, but I've never really sparred. thinking I'd like to do boxing, kickboxing/muay thai, or perhaps BJJ. Not looking like I'll be able to do it for the time being though sadly
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>>553
blacked
>>553
Do you also train without boxing gloves? Lethwei is a good sport to look at if you hadn't considered training headbutts into your muay thai techniques and its good training for the muscles around your kneck if you do it properly. Whats helped me keep myself somewhat grounded in the reality of violence is watching footage of protests and knockout chimpilations. It's almost the perfect martial art to train if you want to learn actual bareknuckle boxing with clinches that could work just as well if not better with a helmet and biker gloves. Even thinnger material like mechanic's gloves can keep ypur hands safe when punching someone in the head. Ild leave BJJ out and try to learn wreslting because it also has a ground game, but trains you to have the mentality of never accepting bottom position in the first place.
>>27 (OP) 
Can you guys tell me which martial art is bullshit and which isn't ?
Why is it with martial arts everyone is ether a zealot or some other sort of retard? Like its hard to get good at grappling by yourself but everyone I've met ether falls in to the two categories I mentioned or just doesn't care about form. 
Why can't I find dudes to train with who just want to get better at technique, and not get injured/injure anyone?
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>>665
You should know at the core of all martial arts there are only a few basic movements that are necessary to do well and the technical refinement comes through doing those ad nauseum. You should also be able to answer that question yourself since obviously you know your area better than anyone here. Sounds like youre either getting your ass kicked because you havent yet put in the hours but lets assume you have solid basics and a fundamental grasp of what it means to grapple. Do you constantly find that youre always getting injured? And if so what part of training do you find yourself being injured the most?
Unpopular opinion, but I think mainstream/corporative boxing is the fakest and gayest sport out there or at least one of them. And all the people who think some black dude, spic, Jew, or white guy is an example of genetic or religious superiority is retarded.

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