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Post about conditioning, technique, theory, training methods and frequency, sport fighting, self defence, fighters, and martial arts cinema.
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Trapping/sticky hands example no.2
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Third time trying to post Andy, let's try this again.
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What made Muhammad Ali good at fighting?
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Also this anon claimed that he had some shady underground dealings, what means?
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>he had some shady underground dealings
There was a lot of stuff. There's a documentary called Facing Ali that gets into this a bit, George Chuvalo, a Canadian boxer claims that claims that the Nation of Islam sent thugs to intimidate or harass either judges or his camp (I can't remember which), and many people feel George was robbed in his fight against Ali, which realistically probably  should have been at least a draw, if not a win for George but the Judges all had Ali ahead by (suspiciously) ludicrous margins.
The Liston fight was probably fixed too, and the FBI actually investigated Ali and others connected to his camp on this suspicion, but eventually "found no evidence of wrongdoing" (That sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it). The thing to remember is that boxing is basically the most corrupt sport there is, and still is to this day, and how incredibly political Ali was, he was the Lebron James of his day in many respects. Ali's career has been lionised by a largely afrofetishist, islamophilic sports and political establishment.
Ali was a very good fighter with some unique strengths that were/are very rare in heavyweights, but he has to be the most overrated athlete of all time, in any sport.
>What made Muhammad Ali good at fighting?
As far as what made him good at fighting, it's mostly down to defence as far as I can tell. Footwork, head movement, and an ability read his opponent. Throwing combos to control the flow and tempo of the fight. He had very mediocre power for a heavyweight, his cross landed at 1400 pounds of force. For context, a 110 pound Okinawan Karate teacher once punched the same kind of machine at nearly 2000 pounds (source for both figures: Okinawan Karate: Teacher, Styles and Secret Techniques by Mark Bishop).
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https://www.invidiou.site/watch?v=Qyor2aFI6ZI
Why you should learn martial arts instead of being a human crane
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I will not be able to afford classes in a few years but I still want to learn some basics right now. What can I do? Like keep punching for a few thousand times a day like those manga main characters do?
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>killed by a turning heel kick
B-but h-high kicks aren't e-effective on the street, T-taekwondo doesn't real!
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It really depends on how serious you are. Just practising basics like you're talking about works, it can a have a tremendous effect on one's speed and power (but won't make you a good fighter on it's own), but only if you already have solid technique and an understanding of biomechanics.
There is a good reason that classical martial arts are set up the way they are, the founders wanted to able to train regardless of their circumstances.
Martial arts schools are fucked. Most legit schools can barely make rent under ideal circumstances, and even before the fake pandemic, and class numbers have been declining for years. 
But anyway, what kind of martial arts are you interested in?
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>here was a lot of stuff. There's a documentary called Facing Ali that gets into this a bit, George Chuvalo, a Canadian boxer claims that claims that the Nation of Islam sent thugs to intimidate or harass either judges or his camp (I can't remember which), and many people feel George was robbed in his fight against Ali, which realistically probably  should have been at least a draw, if not a win for George but the Judges all had Ali ahead by (suspiciously) ludicrous margins.
>The Liston fight was probably fixed too, and the FBI actually investigated Ali and others connected to his camp on this suspicion, but eventually "found no evidence of wrongdoing" (That sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it). The thing to remember is that boxing is basically the most corrupt sport there is, and still is to this day, and how incredibly political Ali was, he was the Lebron James of his day in many respects. Ali's career has been lionised by a largely afrofetishist, islamophilic sports and political establishment.
I don't know why, but it seems that a lot of afro boxers have been either cheated or have connections with big people who shill their careers.
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>seems that a lot of afro boxers have been either cheated or have connections with big people
Anon, that's just boxing. Like I said, it's probably the most corrupt sport there is, and that's saying a lot when football exists. Also there are shitloads of black boxers, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. 
<gay triangle mafia supports /theirnigger/, calls in (((media favours))), create a super-celebrity who will advance the anti-white cause
>black guy just wants to fight and earn a living, maybe get famous
Guess who gets screwed by the (((judges))) and (((promoters))). Black nationalists are just cats'-paws and useful idiots, so you don't need to tell me that Elijah Mohammed was an anti-semite. That's not an argument.
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This woman has one of the most impressive tsuki I've ever seen. What she's doing is truly incredible.
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>Planning to restart my martial arts pursuits
>Over a decade of experience before the lie of post-secondary education lead me away from home
>Feeling good, dojo is still open, working up to call sensei and get back to it
>This all begins
Shit sucks. Anyone have any tips on rounding myself back into form? Both in terms of technique and in developing a physique for martial arts. I was doing karate, if that changes anything.
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Your situation is very similar to mine. I have about 15 years of off and on training experience in a few styles (I moved around a lot so I couldn't stick with just one), I had missed a couple years of training and I was getting used to a new job and looking for a school to join when I got laid off and all the martial arts schools closed down because of this bullshit.
So I've been working on rebuilding my foundation on my own. What kind of karate did you practice if you don't mind my asking? I used to do some Kyokushin, and still practice Sanchin and Taekyoku kata occasionally.
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Shotokan. I was part of a small little dojo that coincidentally had this exact picture of Funakoshi hanging above the training floor >>156.
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That's cool. Do you remember any kata? I would start with that and flexibility first, then cardio if you haven't kept up on that. I bought a heavy bag and stand (because I don't have room inside for it) which was somewhat expensive, but I work on it almost every day so I'm getting my money out of it. I just make sure to strike with proper mechanics, trying to hit as hard as possible without causing the bag to swing, it's almost as good as a makiwara. Maybe look into doing bagwork if you don't do that already.
It's hard to give advice without knowing much about your skill level, maybe you're better than me. Because of my situation, constantly moving around, I have had to rely on my own self motivated study and training more than anything, so I read a lot of books, bought DVD training courses, and did a lot of experimentation and developed my theoretical understanding a lot, training wherever I could when I could afford it, which wasn't as often as I would have liked. I had a training partner for a while, and that's something I would look into, see if any friends or acquaintances are interested in something like that, even if they are green. It can help to improve your own technique even because you start to look at things really analytically.
the majority of my formal training is in a Chinese martial art, but boxing and karate style training is what I found I tend to gravitate towards in my personal training the most, and karate is what I've studied the most in terms of theory and history, so if you're looking for new material or something to make the basics interesting again, I can recommend some resources.
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I can probably remember most if not all of my pre-black belt katas if I clear my mind and move on instinct. Anything past that/weapons katas are probably buried far too deep to dig up on my own. I've never really done much cardio work, and flexibility exercises should be easy to pick up. There's a punching bag I have access to. It's not a hanging bag, but it should do. Feel free to dump what you have on theory/history and maybe some basics-sharpening routines, if you have em.
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Well, what I would do is pick two, maybe three kata, and use that as a base. The idea is to develop "karate movement"  based on the form, while diving in to the bunkai, using other's analysis as well as your own. The kata contain everything, the biomechanical principles of their style, and they are conditioning tools as well as the "books" containing the technical content of a style. You'll want to start practising these kata once per day, and eventually working up to many daily repetitions. Some Chinese practitioners would practice their main form 30 times a day, and gongfu forms tend to be much longer than karate forms. Naha-te schools on Okinawa would train their students in Sanchin kata for 3 years (of daily practise) before they allowed them to learn or practise anything else, and it was considered to take 9 years to fully master Sanchin kata, as exemplified by the saying three years the stance, three years the step, three years the strike.
Some resources:
http://www.iainabernethy.co.uk/
He mostly works on Shuri-te kata application, so being from a Shotokan background you'll be working from the same pool of kata. He has a really solid, common sense, no-nonsense approach. Maybe check out his youtube videos to start.
https://www.wayofleastresistance.net/
This guy stopped updating his blog in 2018, and also turned into a bit of a faggot if you ask me, but there is still a lot of really good material on body mechanics and general principles. He's a Goju practitioner so his kata are from the Naha-te group, there probably won't be any that you practice specifically. He also talks about the "internal" styles (Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, Baguazhuang), the principles of which I think every martial artist should try to understand, even if they don't practise them.
https://ryukyuma.blogspot.com/2014/05/systemantic-exploration-of-kata-bunkai.html
Another Naha-te guy, but once again, a lot of really good general information and kata theory. He also touches on kyusho-jutsu.
All these guys have jewtube channels, and I'd look into those, as well as Rick Hotton, he's a Shotokan guy who has really good movement, and is an excellent teacher who actually can and does explain the "whys" and "Hows" of what your doing, which is really rare. I posted one of his videos as a webm here >>135
Also, read the screencaps posted in this thread, I picked most of them very carefully. What's posted here could transform most people's martial arts if it was put into practice.
In case you're not familiar with the terms "Naha-te" and "Shuri-te", it is a distinction between the two major branches or styles of karate, similar to the distinction between "Northern fist/Beiquan" and Southern Fist/Nanquan" in gongfu. Each uses a separate family of kata. Shuri-te is uses the classic 3 stances (front/bow stance, horse stance, cat stance) reminiscent of the mainstream Shaolin styles as a base, is known for speed and agility and long range fighting. It's considered ideal for smaller framed people. Examples of Shuri-te are Shotokan and Shorin-ryu styles, and the kata Naihanchi, Tekki and Niseishi/Nijushiho. Naha-te is derived from Southern Chinese styles that also use Sanchin/Saamchien as base, like White Crane, and may be a distant relative of Xingyiquan. it's much more upright, and tends to focus on short range striking and in-fighting with clinch work and joint control. It's considered ideal for stockier types. Examples of Naha-te are Goju-ryu and Uechi-ryu, and the kata Sanchin (obviously), Tensho and Suparimpei. Some styles, like Kyokushin and Shito-ryu incorporate kata from both groups. It's rarely a clear cut black and white situation, and you'll find elements of both everywhere. 
As far as a specific training routine, do some research on Hojo Undo, which is karate specific strength training (see pic related for results) and just think about what you used to do in class. Try to use that as a base and build on it. I know you probably won't have partners to spar with, so make sure to try and replace that with time on the punching bag. Make sure you get time in actually hitting something at full power. Read about what the masters used to do and start working up to it. I believe Funakoshi himself recommended 30 minutes a day for solo training, split between kata and hitting the makiwara. Other guys trained until they pissed blood. What works for you will be different than what works for someone else. 
>books
There are a few books I can recommend, but really, as first priority I would just buy a hard copy of Patrick McCarthy's Bubishi. It's required reading for karateka of all styles. Treat it like a bible, read it, reread it, leave it alone for a while then come back to it. It will set you on the right path if you take it seriously and think about what's implied, rather than outright stated.
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Taekkyon is neat. Basically a mix of kicking and wrestling. Unfortunately the DVD I grabbed these off doesn't have any actual matches, but there are tons on youtube.
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I rather like this little routine, I think I'll add it on to my daily program. I'd like to start improving my leg skills.
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Started training yet?
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I've found my warmup/stretching routine, though I may have overstated my ability to recall the moves. I'm having trouble with anything past the second Heian kata. I'll have to start researching the forms and try to fill in the gaps. I can remember some segments of other more advanced kata, Jion for example. I know its unique start and remember the lead up to a jump at one point. There's also an outside chance that I have a book somewhere in my house that outlines various kata, so I may go looking for that too. I'll be doing the stretches in the meantime to gain flexibility while I try to build my knowledge base anew.
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>first webm

IIdII'd pay good money for someone to shoop a hacky sack into it.
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While I don't think anyone should learn a form from scratch by video, there's nothing wrong with using video to relearn or jog your memory.
>>387
Funnily enough my Kyokushin instructor encouraged us to play hacky sack as a way to improve our kicks and footwork, and I've heard of Taekwondo instructors doing the same.
My definition of martial arts is very cerebral which had gotten me pointed out by some as an autist when i argued that things like throwing molotovs or using drone IEDs should be included under "martial" arts as they are often used in warfare which undoubtedly requires acumen in some form of martial arts to engage in. Now, these small things are components of the tactics martial artists use to gain victory and shouldnt be taken literally as "My martial art is 'The Way Of Throwing Grenades" but the point is these components are circumstantial and are rely on a core set of biomechanical skills and mental flexibility to be effective or martially sound as we have yet to transcend flesh and bone. Generally spealing this means having a well rounded physique is key but probably should make up a small portion of martial arts training and the largest portion should be development of the kinesthetic ability that makes you as deadly as possible for the environment you're in. I've naturally improved through repitition though as things have closed up this year ive had less sparring which is huge for building confidence in your ability. There are always tools like heavy bags, dead weight trainers or striking posts to work around that but it is much more beneficial to experience getting hit or making someone miss in a competitive setting. What alternatives to sparring has anyone here found for sharpening their competitive mind?
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Practice update: Well, the good thing about falling off the horse early is that it doesn't take too much effort to get back to where you were. Personal bullshit has impeded progress over the last week, so I'm restarting things. I am having trouble finding a place that's both open enough and private enough to practice. Certain rooms of the house end up empty, but it's inconsistent. Outside is an option but as the weather gets colder, I'd rather not have to suit up every time I practice.
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>>529
Since you can't even muster up the testicular fortitude to train out in the cold with a few less layers maybe you should give up and consider knitting since then youll always be able to makr yourself a blankie whrn it gets too cold.
>i cant throw air punches because this room is too small
>i cant train in this room either because i lack the discipline to ignore people
>im too weak to train in the cold without a sweater but im too lazy to put it on anyways
Well shit, I guess youve got to be training the most useless martial art that has ever existed. Heres a tip though if you want to improve it: 

MAN THE FUCK UP
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>>543
>consider knitting since then youll always be able to makr yourself a blankie whrn it gets too cold. 
Preach to me more about discipline, faggot-senpai.
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>>544
I could directly quote you your post but i doubt it would register to you how much of a pansy you sound like. Kata is nothing. If you start training, do it outside more and your body will acclimate. Cold training tends to wire your body towards producing heat more rapidly as you give it the signs it needs to start up. Basic kata shouldnt impede you from training anywhere that you can extend both your arms out without touching anything and if it does then think of it as an opportunity to practice hung gar or wing chun.
>got mired by some black dude at the gym when I was punching the heavy bag
>"damn bro you're going crazy on that thing"
>told him it's great cardio and he should get a pair of gloves and have at it

feels good man. I'm still hoping to get enough money to start actually going to a boxing gym for real since I've done bag work and stuff, but I've never really sparred. thinking I'd like to do boxing, kickboxing/muay thai, or perhaps BJJ. Not looking like I'll be able to do it for the time being though sadly
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Do you also train without boxing gloves? Lethwei is a good sport to look at if you hadn't considered training headbutts into your muay thai techniques and its good training for the muscles around your kneck if you do it properly. Whats helped me keep myself somewhat grounded in the reality of violence is watching footage of protests and knockout chimpilations. It's almost the perfect martial art to train if you want to learn actual bareknuckle boxing with clinches that could work just as well if not better with a helmet and biker gloves. Even thinnger material like mechanic's gloves can keep ypur hands safe when punching someone in the head. Ild leave BJJ out and try to learn wreslting because it also has a ground game, but trains you to have the mentality of never accepting bottom position in the first place.
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Can you guys tell me which martial art is bullshit and which isn't ?
Why is it with martial arts everyone is ether a zealot or some other sort of retard? Like its hard to get good at grappling by yourself but everyone I've met ether falls in to the two categories I mentioned or just doesn't care about form. 
Why can't I find dudes to train with who just want to get better at technique, and not get injured/injure anyone?
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>>665
You should know at the core of all martial arts there are only a few basic movements that are necessary to do well and the technical refinement comes through doing those ad nauseum. You should also be able to answer that question yourself since obviously you know your area better than anyone here. Sounds like youre either getting your ass kicked because you havent yet put in the hours but lets assume you have solid basics and a fundamental grasp of what it means to grapple. Do you constantly find that youre always getting injured? And if so what part of training do you find yourself being injured the most?
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Unpopular opinion, but I think mainstream/corporative boxing is the fakest and gayest sport out there or at least one of them. And all the people who think some black dude, spic, Jew, or white guy is an example of genetic or religious superiority is retarded.
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>>696
Boxing has been one of the most corrupt Western sports since its inception. No reason for that to have changed, even if it's nowhere near as popular as it used to be.
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>>698
I also meant to also include MMA and other mainstream marital sports. But I agree I never seen mainstream sports as something serious.
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>friend teaches me BJJ gym exercises for flexibility and with light plates
>do em regularly in preparation for bjj classes, because not young and don't want to get destroyed
>entire gym mocks us because we are no doing standard gym shit
I hate gym fitness culture with a passion.
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>>691
Like when you're going against someone smaller you shouldn't use your weight, or when doing a guard pass not knee them in the groin on the way in. When sparing you shouldn't constantly muscle and blitz on the guy, like yes you can but is that what you're here to learn.

Currently where I train its actually not bad and I like it here, everyone is less pissed, but this is like one school out of many.
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That's why I usually work out at home.
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>entire gym mocks us 
I'll take "things that didn't happen" for $800, Alex.
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>>710
Ok, it wasn't the entire gym. It was more like half the gym.
Now give me the money Bob.
>>699
That's because mainstream sports or anything that has to do with money has never been about competition, natural strength, intelligence, etc. It's always been something political and about all about obtaining capital.
I just found this board and I'm really glad there are still non-cuckchans with /fit/boards. Anyways how do you train martial arts regarding the ongoing corona-restrictions?
Right now I'm just meeting one guy out of my school in the park and we do some light stuff. And weight lifting at home to at least do somethinig. Any ideas what else is good?
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>>746
It's basically fucked right now. Sounds like what you're doing is already as good as it will get. 
I was looking to sign up at a martial arts place recently and found out that everyone in my area is doing "no contact" training, including BJJ, in true clown world fashion they've made "grappling dummies" out of pool noodles. Why the fuck these faggots are still paying their fees is beyond me since they may as well just watch videos and practice in their yard.
The only thing I would add is to pick up some books and DVDs in whatever you're interested in.
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>>749
>everyone in my area is doing "no contact" training, including BJJ, in true clown world fashion they've made "grappling dummies" out of pool noodles.
topkek what a fucking joke, I hate this clown world.
>>749
The thing is I just found out competitive athlets can still train. So I double checked at the responsible department and they said "yeah sorry only for olympia sport" so basically if your sport is somehow related to a lot of money and you are competitive you may, if you do sanda and kung fu like me, yeah go fuck yourself. double standard clown world.
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>>751
We can't interrupt the bread & circuses goyim, the nu-gladiators get to train but not the plebs. 
Aside from a few elite gyms martial arts as we know it is done. Best case scenario for the future is Okinawan/Chinese style training in backyards/garages/graveyards at night with 1 teacher and 2 or 3 students paying under the table.
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Its pretty lenient what counts. Like why not train in wrestling or judo.  So long as someone in that school competes you can train and no one cares?
Where I live no one has said anything just that you have to keep a mask on sometimes.  I've seen kids tkd and the like still having classes and sparring and they aren't related to the olympics at all.

>>752
>under-the-table midnight graveyard martial arts
It sounds so cool/spooky you know everyone doing it are a bunch of larpers.

>>751
>at the responsible department 
What?
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>>753
>Its pretty lenient what counts. Like why not train in wrestling or judo. So long as someone in that school competes you can train and no one cares?
That's not how it is where I am.
>It sounds so cool/spooky you know everyone doing it are a bunch of larpers
No one actually does that anymore, it was just a reference to old school (100+ years ago) karate training.
>>753
>Like why not train in wrestling or judo.  So long as someone in that school competes you can train and no one cares?

That's not how it works, I would need to be a competitive athlet in that sport.

>What?
We have a lot of burocracy here and the corona rules change literally weekly, that's why I send an E-Mail to the local sports-related department to clarify if I am allowed to train or not.
>>746
>Anyways how do you train martial arts regarding the ongoing corona-restrictions?
Meet with buddies to train in places away from spying eyes. Do solo drills and become the guy that does one punch so good that he is feared by Bruce Lee.
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Posting books, tried to find varying subject matter. Not sure how interested anons are. I have a lot more, though many files are too big to post.
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>>791
>many files are too big to post
Post them here: catbox.moe
I'm interested in a book about martial arts routines or the sort. Have you got any?
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>>792
Any styles in particular you're interested in? 
https://files.catbox.moe/75fyuj.epub (Solo Training)
https://files.catbox.moe/sxhobx.epub (Bubishi)
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I invite/challenge Anon to join me in my martial arts training. I've been tuning up and playing around with this for the last 5 or so days, and today I made up this schedule.
It's a circuit, so just run it as often as you're comfortable with, but try to do a minimum of 2 repetitions of the circuit on any given training day, which is what I did today. It's not as easy as it appears. The basics, leg swings and bagwork numbers are twice as high in practice due to being repeated for each side. The goal is too train every day for 20 days, then move on to an updated routine after a few rest days. I don't expect this to happen on the first page, hence the page number notation.

>warm-up
Just do whatever you want, light callisthenics, very light bagwork, running in place, shadowboxing. Just remember that warming up doesn't mean static stretching, if you want to do that, do it before or after the workout, preferably after. The warm-up isn't part of the circuit obviously, you just do this once.

>leg swings
These are dynamic stretches, essentially similar to an axe kick (without the circular movement), inside crescent kick, outside crescent kick, and a swing that ends in a side kick position, but the leg is kept straight throughout all these movements. Do both sides, obviously.

>callisthenics
These are very low numbers, but remember that the idea is to run through the circuit multiple times, every day. If it's really too easy for you, do a harder progression such as diamond push-ups, one handed push-ups, pistol squats (supported or not) and so on, rather than increasing the reps.

>mabu
Horse stance training. Only count exhalations, should be about a minute or so.

>basics
Techniques in the air. Goal is to refine your kinetic chain, speed, balance, and flexibility. Again, both sides. We want to be ambidextrous.

>forms
If you know these kata, great, that's what I'm doing. If you don't know them, substitute them for 1 or 2 forms that you do know, depending on length. If you don't know any forms, substitute them for 2 minutes of shadowboxing.

>bagwork
First work individual techniques, jab, cross, hook, uppercut, roundhouse kick (high, for flexibility), then repeat in southpaw stance (or orthodox if you're already a southpaw). Then Combos, jab-cross, jab-cross-hook and jab-cross-kick, then repeat in the opposite stance. Once again, we're going for ambidexterity. Stance switching is great, especially if you're getting your ass kicked, since it confuses the fuck out of people.
If you don't have a heavy bag, try to get a partner that can hold a shield, if that's not an option, build a makiwara (lot's of instructions online for this), if you can't do that, just shadowbox. Also stop being poor. :^)

>footwork
This part is hardest to describe, and hardest part of the workout. For the side switch step, stand with legs about shoulder width, then rapidly cross them back and forth, almost as if you were doing a variation on skip rope. For the front switch step, stand in a shallow lunge position, then alternate stances rapidly.
For the TKD stuff I'll just post a video and point out the timestamps for what I'm doing.
I suppose that one could also replace this section with skipping if so inclined, but I'm planning on adding that in the next version.

Rest for 2 to 5 minutes before starting the circuit again.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything, or if you think I'm a faggot with a dumb routine. If anyone is interested, print out the sheet, and fill in the dates that you train on the bottom section, followed by the number of reps of the circuit you did that day. 20 days after starting fill in your percentage (for example, if you train 15 days out of the 20, that's 75%). The section below the percentage is for comments or notes, such as areas that need work or whatever. If anything seems out whack, or you think something isn't covered, let me know, but preferably only after you've actually tried it.
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I know there are at least 2 of you out there looking for training routines and shit, so welcome to your digital dojo, faggots.
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Update: I've put in 6 hours of training on this circuit since I first posted it. I've taken 2 rest days so far, and plan on 4 more, which will give me 70% on this page. I'll take 2 or 3 days off after that, then aim for 100% on page 2. Other than that, I'm working on version 2 and 3.
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I was playing around with my stance yesterday while I was on the heavy bag. I usually kick from a fairly upright kickboxing stance, but I tried a longer side stance similar to an olympic TKD stance with a more pronounced chamber. I was pretty amazed how much easier kicking high got, and power was notably higher (longer distance for acceleration). Maybe I'll adopt a "philly shell" type stance for a while and see how that works.
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>>813
Better option: Don't go with the longer stance, but lean back more when you kick.
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>>829
Leaning back beyond what is strictly necessary anatomically is terrible technique. It telegraphs the kick, leaves one vulnerable to takedowns, sweeps and push kicks. It's slower and weaker, body mechanics are completely thrown out by an excessive lean. Which begs the question, why bother? I'd rather throw no kicks than leaning kicks. Usually people will jump in, smothering the kick and throwing hands while you're righting yourself. I know this from experience (both giving and receiving).
Furthermore, think of what it means that of all the really good kickers past and present in MMA, not one kicks with a pronounced lean. Image 3 of Thompson represents in my mind the maximum permissible lean on a round kick.
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>>830
Leaning back as you lift your leg telegraphs your kick? You think your leg raising doesn't announce your intent? Leaning back increases the distance from your noggin to the opponent's fist, in no way leaves yourself more at risk of a take down, compounds both the speed and strength of the strike.
And you're not the only one to have been in a conflict, so please don't try the "I know from experience" crap.
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>>830
Also, top kek offering UFC people as a source of good technique.
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>>831
I know from experience in sparring. Something you clearly haven't done much of, if any. That's not meant as an insult or banter, it's just very clear to me from your posts. 
There is a certain amount of body lean that just comes naturally with a roundhouse kick, that's fine. Accentuating that lean when you don't have to is something that just isn't done. Not in karate, taekwondo, kickboxing, muay thai, cma or anything. For good reason.
If you're kicking, guess what, unless you have stump legs and you're fighting someone built like an orangutan you're already out of punching range. Can that distance be closed quickly? Yes, and you can use head movement, parry, block, and/or counter the counter. Posture is power, and should never be given up easily.
Maybe you've been in a fight, which could mean much, or little, depending on the circumstances.
Regarding
>ufc fighters not good at kicks
Are you fucking serious nigger? That's Crocop, Pettis and Wonderboy. You have no idea how big the difference is between pro fighters and normal people. It's like fucking anime level differences. Pro fighters typically train at minimum 6 hours a day, 6 days a week. I've sparred a Bellator fighter, someone who would get lit the fuck up fighting Thompson, or probably even Pettis. He was on totally different level than any other MMA guy I've sparred with. It was hard to even register what he was doing, and he was probably going at 30% intensity. This is not to blow my own horn or brag, I'm trying to illustrate the difference between even a relatively unknown pro and "normal" people.
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>>833
Gosh, I spent five years in MMA. But hey, keyboard warrior, you've done some sparring. wew
Just because you've got shit technique doesn't invalidate the methodology. 
Keep being mediocre, bro! hahaha
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>Also, top kek offering UFC people as a source of good technique
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>5 years in mma
Sure thing bud.
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>>830
>Leaning kicks is bad technique
>I rather have no kicks than leaning kicks
You can tell that this was made by someone only watches (((UFC))) fights over sparing with experts and practicing his strikes and movements. Leaning kicks are good kicks, because your head is further away from your opponent and is easier to straighten your balance. It's both a powerful and easier kick if you lack flexibility, saying that it's shit technique concludes that posters like you have only been in fights against children or you're some typical fat faggots who love to browse on fitness boards, pretending to be an expert by watching one-sided and edited fights and giving terribly incorrect info and advice.
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>>844
Nice samefag dipshit. Round kicks are never practised with a major lean, in 'any' major kicking style. My main background is actually in Chinese martial arts, followed by kickboxing, no matter how much you seem to want to portray me as some chest thumping affliction t-shirt wearing frat douche. Since you're biased against MMA, have a TKD tutorial, I'll post a Kyokushin video as soon as it's done converting to webm.
>>845
ching chong hon chi
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>>845
wow that looks cool it almost convinced me to go to get a sub to some taekwondo dojo, shame there's chink poz about
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>>846
China numba wun
>>845
>muh samefag
You're retarded and now need to cry about IP hops, while hopping the IP hopping yourself.

>Round kicks are never practised with a major lean
*practiced*, also you're lying retard. Go to any coach who has experience sparing and they will tell that they usually recommend newcomers who have low flexibility that you should always lean back when you're doing a high-kick to stiffen your balance and bring more weight to it.

>My main background is actually in Chinese martial arts, followed by kickboxing
Next you'll tell me that you're the king of all martial arts and have the bloodline of Kenshiro and Jackie Chan and one chop anyone's head off! Shut the fuck up and go learn from an actual expert instead of smelling your own farts and relying your own mental retardation.
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>>849
You're one retarded motherfucker. So far I've posted 3 videos and 3 pictures of what I consider good roundhouse kick technique, you have posted not a single example. It should be easy, just find a picture or a video, and surely we'll all see that some of the best kickers in MMA, knockdown Karate and TKD have all been mistaken this whole time.They'll be thankful too now that you're here to enlighten them.
As an aside. quoting my earlier post
>There is a certain amount of body lean that just comes naturally with a roundhouse kick, that's fine. Accentuating that lean 'when you don't have to' is something that just isn't done. Not in karate, taekwondo, kickboxing, muay thai, cma or anything
People with low flexibility shouldn't be kicking (high) in a fight at all. During training is fine, as this helps develop flexibility, but they should strive to maintain upright as possible as beginners almost always lean too much anyway. Your coach is an idiot.
>Next you'll tell me that you're the king of all martial arts and have the bloodline blah blah blah
The fuck are you talking about? Saying that the majority of my training has been in Chinese martial arts and kickboxing isn't supposed to be impressive, I'm merely disabusing you of your flawed notions regarding my MA background.You do train, right anon? What's your background? 
Regarding IP hops, the difference is that I'm not representing myself as a different poster, as you were in that post. 
"Practised" is the correct spelling, burger.
>>835
Imagine that, someone participating in a sport/practice/group/team/association/etc, thereby having informed criticisms. 

You must live a highly sheltered life. Hope things turn around for you, kiddo.
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>>853
No one who has spent 1 month, nevermind 5 years at an MMA gym entertains delusions of the kind you cherish regarding pro fighters, and particularly UFC fighters. Not to mention failing to recognise fucking crocop and Stephen Thompson. You're fucking dreaming if you think you I'll believe this bullshit. Still waiting for an example nigger.
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>>854
To be clear, I don't give a shit what you believe.
And you so retarded, you think there's two classes of people: pro fighters and normal people.
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>>855
I don't really care what you think either, I just don't want others following your terrible advice. 15 years ago, I used to think like you, I thought I was hot shit, and that MMA fighters weren't all that. 
Yes, pro fighters are a separate class from regular people. Let me break it down with 2 sample individuals.

>joe blow, has a day job, goes to 3 classes a week, 5 a week in the spring. training for 5 years, can maul any untrained dude

>max powers, trains nearly 40 hours a week for 5 years, has a professional nutritionist who monitors his hormones, macros, biofeedback and formulates meal plans, has a dedicated strength and conditioning coach, has separate coaches for boxing, wrestling, jiujitsu, muay thai and an MMA coach to integrate all the above and work on fight specific strategy and training, and is on steroids

You bet your ass these are two classes of people.
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>>857
>Doubles-down on false dichotomy 
Fucktard
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>>845
Do you have any videos on how to practice the lateral kick/yop chagui? I have been recently struggling with that one.
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>>863
Please respond, anon. It's been 5 days. I need my practice on my yop chagui.
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>>867
Sorry bro, I've been AFK. This video is pretty good, but only covers the rear leg side kick. Should be fine since the rear leg kick is a lot harder to do well. 
What are you struggling with in particular? Balance, height, form or something else? I find that usually working on the obliques (gif related is good for this) and abductor muscles of the leg tend to work wonders for the side kick and hook kick.
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Also try going through the movement as slow as possible, this helps to insure that your form is correct. Holding the kick at the end position fully extended is another great drill I learned from a CMA source. Try holding it for 30 seconds, retract to a chambered position for 5 seconds, but don't set your leg down, then extend again, retract again, and extend one last time. If you can develop the strength and balance to do this you will probably have a better side kick than average for these days. I believe there is a maxim in Northern Chinese arts to the effect that the height at which you can hold your leg for 2 minutes in a controlled fashion is the maximum allowance for kicking height. We don't have such high standards anymore. 
Anyway, don't forget to read the screencap titled "calibrating the side kick" at the beginning of the thread is you haven't already.
Another really important point is that proper distancing is very unforgiving for the side kick for actual application. It takes a lot of work on a solid target to able to figure out the correct spacing. The lead leg side kick is much more forgiving though if you're stepping or hopping in with it, since you'll have so much momentum.
The feel of the kick changes quite a bit depending on whether one is using the heel or edge of the foot, so that's something to be aware of as well. 
I'm sure you know to keep the body and especially the torso and head in line with the kick. There is kind of a secret of sorts in striking, which is to focus on the alignment and movement of the opposite "end" of the body. Most know that punching power is generated in the lower body by pushing off the ground with the legs, but not as many realise that focusing on upper body stability and alignment drastically increases power in kicking. In linear kicks this is because aligning one's kick with the centerline effectively increases the amount of your body weight communicated to the target. For rotational kicks this is because a tighter axis of rotation produces more speed. Think of figure skaters when they spin. Remember there are only two factors in power, speed and weight, or mass and acceleration. This is why I gave such shit to that other anon who advocated leaning beyond what is strictly necessary, it's literally the worst advice you could give to a kicker.
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Alright, I'll take these by heart and see if I can get to improve.
As of what's causing me to struggle with kicking, it's my abductor muscles that have been setting me back. They're too uptight to work around, so I always have difficulties twisting the support leg to kick and my kick would never reach higher than my lap at least with the yop chagui.
I've recently realized that I also struggle with my stances, specifically the walking stance/gunnun sogi. When I'm trying to kick, I tend to angle my supporting leg to uncomfortable positions, so most times I wouldn't be able to recover cleanly or sometimes straight up trip on my feet. Did you post anything in this thread regarding body balance and posture?
don't bully
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>>882
If your supporting leg is tight on the inside of the thigh, it's your adductors, which is pretty standard and should go away with more kicking practice. If tight on the outside upper thigh of your supporting leg, it's your abductors, which might indicate somewhat more than usual tightness. Make sure you are pivoting on the ball of the foot. The pivot should be complete prior to extending the leg from the chambered position. In other words, it's 
>pivot into chamber
>kick
Of course it should be one fluid motion, but it helps to break it down this way, and it can be helpful practise the movements in isolation. You can even practise the retraction in isolation.

Regarding walking, it's actually great that you realise this isn't something to be taken for granted. But I need to to know for sure what style you're training. I assume it's ITF Taekwondo given your images and terminology, which is good, but complicates the issue because of their "sine wave" stepping. I don't approve of the "sine wave" myself, but not all ITF schools teach it, and even if yours does (again assuming ITF), you are likely still better off in general than the other option for TKD. 
What I can say regarding balance is that the drill I already mentioned is fantastic for that purpose as well, but probably the best training is forms. Just practice the most basic form in your style, whether that is Chon Ji (ITF), Palgwe il jang (rare), Taegeuk il jang (WTF) or Ki Cho il bu (Tang Soo Do), and just drill that over and over again.
>spoiler
See first pic.
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>>883
>I assume it's ITF
Yes, I do train ITF TKD, and my mentor does propose the sine wave into the general movement. However, it's most likely that the problem resides within my footwork, as I generally tend to rotate from the sole hence how sore they generally are. I had never realized until now that you had to rotate from the ball of the foot, though that's excusable given my belt graduation.
I will try and train my adductors and see if I can make some progress. Otherwise, you may have gotten some posts in this thread that aren't bickering and posing.
>see first pic
See pic related.
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>>884
I'm just glad there is someone else here that is actually actively training in martial arts. 
You may be interested in perusing https://sooshimkwan.blogspot.com/ an ITF based blog. The author can be a little over-intellectual at times, and is chasing what has been called "institutional perfection", but there is nonetheless some interesting reading to be had there, especially to someone who actually trains TKD.
Good luck anon.
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Some excellent old school TKD, Much like 1930's Japanese Karate (as distinct from Okinawan Karate). Front kicks from within punching distance. This is what real traditional "hard" style striking looks like. It won't look like much to beginners or combat sports types, but do not doubt that front snap kicks can and will drop an opponent. You can even have your bladder ruptured by full power mae geri/ap chagi.
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>>869
Why is that one video silent? If you have the entire collection, mind if you post the entirety of it either here or on any file sharing site?

Speaking of martial arts, I wished there were capoeira dojos readily available were I live. It's very stylish, I tell you.
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>>919
>why is that one video silent
I dunno, I thought it had audio, it might be have been fucked up in the conversion.
Here is the full "Revolution of Kicking" video. 
https://files.catbox.moe/ueczo9.webm
The audio once again cuts out halfway in, but you should be able to figure out what's being talked about and follow along regardless.
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Posturefag here, I won't be around to answer questions and shit for while. I'm going to try to check back in around Christmas, so don't let the board die while I'm gone niggers.

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