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Have you lifted today? No? Go find something heavy. Pick it up. Now put it back down. Good. Do that a dozen more times.


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Your one-stop place for everything related to health, fitness, GAINZ, and everything in between.

RULES
1. Obey the global rules.
2. Keep all threads related to the board. Off-topic threads or threads that use fitness as a false pretense will be locked and/or deleted.
3. This is a SFW board. All lewd or semi-lewd images/videos must be spoilered. Do not dump porn.
4. Do not flood/spam/derail threads. Intentionally derailing or flooding threads with low-effort/troll/spam posts will result in post deletion. (10-12-20)
5. Do not make posts that explicilty advertise other boards inside or outside the webring. (6-20-21)

This thread will also serve as the meta thread. Yell at me all you want.
For personal inquiries, I can be contacted at
[email protected]

Currently not taking on any mods/vols/janis, but maybe later if this board gets big SWOL
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Nice, I want to stop being a fat fuck so having a /fit/ around again will be great.
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Thanks for bringing /fit/ here bro
Remember to lift daily, no excuses
bumping because i'm an autist who cares about pinned thread order
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>>19
Maybe you should unpin the other ones then, I also recommend you lower both TPH and PPH triggers for the time being, what you set them to now is way overkill and unrealistic for a small board like this.
So is Kyriakos legit or are people rightfully mocking him?
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>>21
>Mocking Kyriakos
Suicide is an easier way to die, Anon
He's training with more than 400KG, not lbs but kilos.
He might look funny at first, but he gets results and is strong as fuck
I'm just worried that in the long run he's gonna have mobility issue but he's a legend in my book
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Fuck this gay capcha.
Is that 340kgs or 340lbs?
>>24
Oh, nevermind. I'm a dumb cunt.
>videogames
>100 users
>/fit/
>5 users
How do we convince these couch potatoes to get off their ass?
>>24
His form is still shit for the most part.I get the appeal of him being the primal strength guy, but he looks like he wants to visit snap city really bad.
I dunno, but you would thing the people on /fascist/ of all boards would appreciate the importance and the joys of fitness, so I sent them an invite in the /sig/ thread.
Now we just need to psyop the fatties on the vidya boards into being sick cunts. Perhaps if we shill fighting games?
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>>101
/fascist/ here, your invite worked
>>101
Do some of those images with *you die you do pushups etc*.  but themed to the specific game in the thread.
>>101
Also from /fascist/.
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Hey owner guy. I plan to make a thread posting youtubers and raitng them 1 to 10. Surely someone will find some guy who is useful but he hasn't heard of.
 You wouldn't nuke me for something like that, right ?
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>>232
>nonsummerjack
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>>234
Confess your fitness sins child. Non does not judge.
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>>235
>she's still doing that fucking open mouth thing
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>>232
I wouldn't mind a thread like that. I'm not the owner though.
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>>236
>disrespecting Non
>rejecting Her sacred teeth
It's not too late to atone, my wayward friends. Kneel down and beg for forgiveness, and it shall be granted!
>>236
It's rather cute
>>232
rating them how, on their physique/physical appearance? don't really see how it's fitness related but since we're a small board I'll allow it. just keep it on topic.
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>>251
Not him but I assume he meant in terms of informational and/or entertaining values
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>Title Text
what did he mean by this?
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Nice. 
I wonder why some (((anons))) would be upset at others for choosing not to flog their own python.
Upset? one guy pointed out that it's not so bad to which a few others sperged out.
>>1 (OP) 
Can we ban any mention of zyzz here? Dude was a massive narcissist faggot, his body is the product of only pharmaceutical, and he worked out for the most basic bitch reason ever. We need someone who is humble, strong as fuck and of course pure natural.
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>let's ban talk of zyzz
>this is also the only mention of zyzz on the board
>literally no one else has ever even mentioned zyzz
Holy shit dude.
>>1 (OP) 
Can we ban any mention of Kyriakos Grizzly here? Dude is massive, his body is the product of only caloric surplus, and he works out for the most basic bitch reason ever (food). We need someone who is humble, strong as fuck and of course low bf%.
>>448
sorry anon but this is a retarded post. we know about Zyzz and all that but that's no reason to ban it. just because I don't think of him as a good role model doesn't mean I'm not mirin brah
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>>549
We ban 3dpd all the time, why is this any different? Dude is the male equivalent of trash whores. Only cuckchan worships that retard.
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just letting you know i am still here
that is all
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What can I do to build some more mass in the core muscles? I kind of look like the character in the image at the moment.
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>>664
Probably Squats and DLs
Need advice on wireless ear plugs so i can buy one. Is there much difference between cheap chink shit and overpriced shit? Will it falls off if i run too fast? How good is the battery?
How can I suppress my libido without affecting my testosterone levels? I think I would be much more productive and happy without sexual urges. I'm interested in anything without serious side effects.
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>>669
Cold showers. As cold as you can possibly stand, ideally as cold as the shower goes. Good for skin, raises testosterone, lowers libido. Only downside is it's fucking cold. Also quit porn if you haven't already,
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>>669
Redirect your sexual energy into whatever it is you are supposed to be doing. The downside is that you may develop a productivity fetish.
Anybody have a screencap from when OP became sexually attracted to barbells?
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>>672
Cringe
what happened to this board? it had a healthy userbase and got posts almost every day, then it just died?
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>>676
It's better this way you pph whore, go back to cuckchan nigger
This was the most abrupt board death I've ever seen.
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>>697
yeah, what the fuck happened?
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>>701
jews.
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It may have been brief, but it was glorious. How did it feel to run an active board, Grizzly?
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Also I hope you screenshot that shit shit because I forgot to.
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>>838
I felt like a chimpanzee hyped up on Xanax let loose in a nuclear power plant. It was amazing.
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>>840
saved.
>>701
I literally just forgot about it. If a board doesn't have a post rate above a certain level things like this can happen.

Unfortunately, the animefags, tv autists, and gamer subhumans usually seem to have the best boards, and multiple good ones at that, probably because of their very nature as chair-confined blobs who have the capacity to spew autism online the entire day without stopping.

This makes the places they gather really active while I suppose the kind of people who'd be interested in /fit/ don't tend to post as much, for better and for worse. That's my theory, anyway. I'm not too sure how we can solve this.

One step might be to try to vacuum up users from various broken/dead /fit/ boards and we could all agree to go to one place.

In all likelihood I will also forget that I made this post.
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>>858
>I suppose the kind of people who'd be interested in /fit/ don't tend to post as much
You're probably right. I keep trying to reduce my internet use in general. Strangely, I feel almost obligated to post on /fit/, it's the only board I post on anymore aside from the Bigfoot thread on /x/. Feels like imageboards are on their way out anyway, even 8chan was a husk of it's former self towards the end, and I've noticed a marked uptick in faggotry on the webring lately. I'm not blackpilled aside from everyone voluntarily sterilising themselves because of the yearly flu, that kind of blows my mind, it just seems like the way forward is offline.
I will probably quit the internet altogether sometime fairly soon.
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BEHOLD. ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU WANTED.
>>879
Good on you for reducing your Internet intake. I might as well start doing the same, for the fatigue is seriously kicking in.
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>>886
>/fit/ is number 3
>we're all going to make it
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>>887
>/fit/ is number 3
>we're all going to make it
In a certain way these are mutually exclusive.
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>>896
"We all" is meant to refer to the denizens of /fit/, anon. We can hardly expect /hikki/ to make it, after all. Also Number 3 is bretty gud all things considered. It's not like /v/ will ever be dethroned.
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>>900
/fit/ is 5 AT BEST. The list is as follows
1. /v/
2. /b/ (will soon overtake /v/ if rulecuckery continues)
3. /tech/
4. /japan/
5. Tied by /x/ and /fit/
I personally hope /x/ prevails since most of the shit posted here is just crossposts and the BO samefagging.
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>>905
I know it's not usually that active, it was just a moment. 
/x/ is full of underagefags and shitposting and not even entertaining shitposts at that. As far as BO samefagging goes, I doubt it, since he says he doesn't care if the board is active and I believe him since he doesn't even bother to make a post every day. 
I'm not sure what precisely you mean by crossposts in this context, since to my knowledge there aren't any other active /fit/s on the webring.
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>>905
>/b/ (will soon overtake /v/ if rulecuckery continues)
>single topic board which was made way earlier and was only ahead because of that is eventually gonna get taken over by random/all topics board
>this is somehow a matter of "rulecuckery" instead of the most obvious thing in the world
I'd wish I had a degree in imageboards like you
also I hate that gif, that animation is HOT GARBAGE
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>last activity
>more than 1 week ago
/fit/ more like /fat/
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>>960
Here's some for ya, I've lost 20kg in the past months, I'm still a fat /v/irgin but I'm slowly getting there.My weight loss coincided with me being away from imageboards, I wonder if there's a relation.
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Me on the left 
Motivation posting
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More motivation
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>a fucking leaf
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The 1st Annual /christmas/ War Film Festival

Greetings, /fit/. As our contribution of the webring Christmas event this year, we at /yuri/ decided to put together a 7-day war film marathon starting December 18. Film lineup, schedule, and details are on pic related. We'd be honored if you would join us on this special time of the year.

https://streamchan.org/#shizuruslovehut

'For direct streaming'
https://streamchan.org/hls/shizuruslovehut.m3u8
rtmp://streamchan.org/live/shizuruslovehut.flv

'Questions or concerns?'
https://anon.cafe/christmas/res/21.html

'Feel free to pay us a visit'
https://smuglo.li/yuri/
>>1030
Holy shit, is this real?
>>977
This is a good guy.
And the art schizo has found his way here. Great.
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/monarchy/ requests from /fit/
A jewel for our crown jewels.
Will any /fit/ anon give an imaginary jewel?
Any /fit/ anon can present a jewel w/ a name & a picture (if you want).
This will be compiled into an OC crown with jewels from other boards.
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>>1602
Amethyst, for its heritage in Ancient Greece.
It's name shall be
THE STONE OF KYRIAKOS
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/monarchy/ thanks /fit/ for this gift.
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>>1607
>amethyst
>not even purple
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>>1608
This version has purple.
Lately I have been feeling guilty at how dead this board is. That is mostly (entirely) my fault since I have not been leading by example and let this board die. So with that being said, I ask you this: what are some ideas you have to bring life back into the board?
>inb4 do my job for me
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>>1697
Honestly, I don't know. All I can say in my experience with small boards is that activity begets activity. But even so, given how dead most boards like this are doomed to be, even 4chan/fit/ is still a better option for the average anon despite all the shit clogging up that catalog.

I don't know if this is an issue you can solve, it's a much bigger issue that affects all of these imageboards in general.
>>1697
Expose the amount of bots and glowniggers who cooperate with the tranny jannies on 4cuck, other than that there isn't much you can do.
I just haven't been using this board because things are going smoothly so far. Most of the activity on 4cuck /fit/ is worthless garbage anyways
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>>1697
Man I really want this board to be more active because the alternative are shit, just like >>1706 said 4cuck /fit/ is garbage and from what this is the only /fit/ alternative.
I think the only option is to advertise to outside sources maybe like forums, other imageboards discord.
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>>1713
I will crush you with my dumbbells if you ever do that, anon.
Do you want this board to be like /b/?
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>>1757
/b/ isn't shit because of the users. /b/ is shit because the mods are retarded.
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Just thought you should know, there is Kyriakos Grizzly merch. I saw him wear one of these in his latest videos.
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>4um dies
>entire webring flooded with newfags
<except /fit/
i don't know if i should be thankful or upset
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>>2052
/fit/ is generally one of the least active boards on the other sites as well. Even /fit/ on Sharty, they combined it with sports and wrestling which is what dominates the threads. So that actually boosts their numbers. Just like when seeking gains, quality not quantity.
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>>2053
That could happen here seeing as we don't even have a /sp/.
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>>2139
Great form, keep it up!💪
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Don't let them keep you down. Don't shrink and slink away dejected and defeated because holding your head high makes them feel small. You getting bigger and stronger every day reminds them of how weak they are, and that's on them to get bigger and stronger themselves if they wanna keep up or be left behind. Your growth will always confuse those who've chosen to stop growing. So let them be confused, their confusion is their karma.
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Eternal reminder: DYEL or no physique photo = disregard advice.
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This is specific to spiritual liberation, but think of the following quote out of its original context and transplanted into the context of fitness:

https://youtu.be/Ql4wGGTDapA&t=540

>The inferior intelligence will always accuse the superior intelligence of cheating. That's its way of saving face: "You beat me by means that weren't fair!"

Sound familiar?
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Are LLMs any good at making custom workouts? I asked chatgpt to produce a workout with specific constraints, such as no gym equipment at all, and it looks good on the surface. I haven't been to the gym in years and I'm no expert, can any rip-your-toe wannabe give this a quick one over and sanity check for me? Thanks.

This plan is built around:

Push movements (chest, shoulders, triceps)
Pull movements (back, biceps) using household substitutes
Legs (quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves)
Core
Conditioning
Mobility
What you will need

Optional household items:

Item	Used for
Backpack	Add weight to squats, rows, presses, carries
Books/water bottles	Backpack weight
Sturdy chair	Step-ups, dips, incline push-ups
Table (only if extremely sturdy)	Rows
Towels	Isometric pulls, hamstring curls
Wall	Push-up progressions, handstand practice

If you have none of these, the program still works.

Schedule

Repeat every other day:

Day 1 — Workout A
Rest
Day 3 — Workout B
Rest
Day 5 — Workout C
Rest
Day 7 — Workout D
Rest
Repeat

Some weeks will have 3 workouts, some 4. That's intentional.

Workout A — Upper Strength + Legs
Warm-up (58 minutes)
March in place — 1 minute
Arm circles — 30 seconds each direction
Bodyweight squats — 15 reps
Wall push-ups — 15 reps
Hip circles — 10 each direction
1. Push-ups

4 sets × 6–15 reps

Targets:

Chest
Front shoulders
Triceps

Progression:

Wall push-ups
Counter push-ups
Knee push-ups
Regular push-ups
Feet-elevated push-ups
2. Backpack Rows

4 × 10–20 reps

Substitute:

Backpack filled with books
Grocery bag with bottles
Laundry basket with weight

Targets:

Upper back
Lats
Rear shoulders
Biceps

How:

Support one hand on chair
Pull backpack toward your ribs
Squeeze shoulder blade back
3. Bulgarian Split Squats

3 × 8–12 each leg

Equipment substitute:

Chair or couch behind you

Targets:

Quads
Glutes
Balance
4. Pike Push-ups

3 × 6–12

Targets:

Shoulders
Triceps

Progression:

Downward dog push-ups
Pike push-ups
Feet elevated pike push-ups
5. Plank Circuit

3 rounds:

Front plank: 30–60 seconds
Side plank: 20–40 seconds each side
Workout B — Full Body Strength
1. Backpack Squats

4 × 12–20

Substitute:

Backpack with books
Water jug held at chest

Targets:

Quads
Glutes
Core
2. Table Rows

4 × 6–12

ONLY use if your table is genuinely sturdy.

Substitutes:

Backpack rows
Towel rows:

Towel row:

Loop towel around a closed door handle
Lean back slightly
Pull yourself toward it

(Do not use a flimsy door.)

Targets:

Back
Biceps
3. Decline Push-ups

3 × 8–15

Substitute:

Feet on chair/couch

Targets:

Upper chest
Shoulders
4. Backpack Romanian Deadlift

3 × 12–15

Substitute:

Backpack worn on front
Heavy grocery bag
Water containers

Targets:

Hamstrings
Glutes
Lower back

Movement:

Push hips backward
Slight knee bend
Keep back flat
5. Backpack Overhead Press

3 × 8–15

Substitute:

Water jugs
Loaded backpack held overhead

Targets:

Shoulders
Triceps
6. Dead Bugs

3 × 10 each side

Targets:

Core stability
Workout C — Upper Body Volume + Conditioning

This is your "muscle-building" day.

Complete 4 rounds:

Push-ups

12 reps

Backpack Rows

15 reps

Chair Dips

8–15 reps

Substitutes:

Bench/chair edge
Couch edge

Targets:

Triceps
Chest

If shoulders dislike dips:
Replace with close-grip push-ups.

Backpack Curls

12–20 reps

Substitutes:

Grocery bags
Water bottles

Targets:

Biceps
Walking Lunges

20 total steps

Targets:

Legs
Balance
Hollow Body Hold

20–40 seconds

Targets:

Abs

Rest 2 minutes between rounds.

Workout D — Athletic / Variety Day

This prevents the routine from becoming repetitive.

Perform 5 rounds:

Burpees

5–10 reps

Modification:
Step back instead of jumping.

Bear Crawl

30–60 seconds

Targets:

Shoulders
Core
Coordination
Diamond Push-ups

6–12 reps

Substitute:
Close-grip push-ups

Targets:

Triceps
Chest
Backpack Carry

1–2 minutes

Substitute:
Carry heavy grocery bags.

Targets:

Grip
Core
Upper back
Bodyweight Squats

20 reps

Superman Hold

30 seconds

Targets:

Lower back
Rear chain
Progression (first 12 weeks)
Weeks 1–3: Rebuild phase

Goal:

Finish workouts
Learn movements

Do:

2–3 sets instead of maximum sets
Easier variations
Weeks 4–8: Strength phase

Increase:

Push-ups: +1–3 reps per set
Backpack weight: add books
Planks: +10 seconds
Squats: add backpack
Weeks 9–12: Challenge phase

Start using harder variations:

Push-ups:

Feet elevated
Slow negatives
Pause reps

Rows:

Heavier backpack

Legs:

Bulgarian split squats with weight

Shoulders:

Pike push-up progression
Rest-day activity

Because you are coming from a sedentary lifestyle:

Aim for:

20–45 minute walk

on non-workout days.

Intensity:
You should be able to hold a conversation.

How hard should this feel?

For the first month:

After a workout:

You should feel like you trained
You should NOT be destroyed

Aim for:

Difficulty: 7/10

Not:

Maximum reps
Exhaustion
Soreness competitions

The goal is to build the habit and strength base that you haven't trained in years.

This routine should give you noticeable improvements in:

Push-up strength
Shoulder and arm size
Posture
General stamina
Core control
Leg strength

without needing a gym.

Backpack weight rules

Use a backpack that:

Fits snugly
Doesn't swing around
Has both straps on
Distributes weight evenly

Good loading materials:

Books
Water bottles
Bags of rice
Canned goods
Laundry detergent bottles

Avoid:

Loose heavy objects that shift
Anything that can poke your back
Starting weight: Weeks 1–2

Start with:

10 lb (4.5 kg) backpack

This is enough to make exercises harder without overwhelming your joints.

Use:

Backpack Squats

10 lb

Backpack Romanian Deadlifts

10 lb

Backpack Rows

10 lb

Backpack Overhead Press

5–10 lb

Backpack Carries

10–15 lb

Weeks 3–6

If you can complete all sets with good form:

Increase to:

15 lb (7 kg)

Examples:

Backpack Squats

4 × 12–20 reps

Move up when:

You can do 20 reps on every set
Your knees feel good
You are not losing form
Backpack Rows

Move up when:

You can do 20 reps per set
The last 3 reps don't feel challenging

Increase:
10 lb → 15 lb → 20 lb

Romanian Deadlifts

Move up more slowly.

Progress:

Weeks 1–2:
10 lb

Weeks 3–6:
15 lb

Weeks 7–12:
20–25 lb

The posterior chain (hamstrings/glutes/lower back) tends to get neglected in sedentary people, so avoid rushing this.

Weeks 7–12

Target:

20–30 lb backpack

Not every movement needs the same weight.

Suggested:

Exercise	Target weight by week 12
Squats	25–35 lb
Rows	20–30 lb
Romanian deadlift	20–35 lb
Carries	30–40 lb
Overhead press	10–20 lb
The progression rule

Do not increase weight just because the calendar says so.

Use this:

If you hit the top of the rep range for every set:

Increase weight by:

5 lb for upper body exercises
5–10 lb for squats/deadlifts/carries

Then return to the lower end of the rep range.

Example:

Backpack Rows

Week 1:
10 lb
4 × 12 reps

Week 3:
10 lb
4 × 20 reps ✅

Increase:

Week 4:
15 lb
4 × 12 reps

Adjustments based on difficulty

After a workout, ask:

Too easy:

You could have done 5+ more reps every set.

→ Add weight next session.

Correct:

Last few reps are challenging but controlled.

→ Keep the same weight.

Too hard:

You cannot reach the minimum reps or your form breaks.

→ Reduce weight by 5 lb.

Updated backpack assignments for your program
Workout A

Backpack Rows

Start: 10 lb
Goal: 20–30 lb
Workout B

Backpack Squats

Start: 10 lb
Goal: 25–35 lb

Backpack Romanian Deadlift

Start: 10 lb
Goal: 20–35 lb

Backpack Overhead Press

Start: 5–10 lb
Goal: 10–20 lb
Workout C

Backpack Rows

Start: 10 lb
Goal: 20–30 lb

Backpack Curls

Start: 5–10 lb
Goal: 15–20 lb
Workout D

Backpack Carry

Start: 15 lb
Goal: 30–40 lb
One important note

Your push exercises (push-ups, pike push-ups, dips) probably won't need backpack weight for a while. Since you are returning after 7 years, your bodyweight will provide enough resistance initially.

Your biggest early gains will likely come from:

Getting consistent
Adding backpack weight slowly
Moving from easier push-up variations to harder ones

A realistic 12-week target would be:

25–30 lb backpack squat
20–25 lb backpack row
20+ clean push-ups
60-second plank
Noticeably better posture and energy

That would put you in a strong position to either continue calisthenics or transition into gym training later.
I like the part where it says "you should NOT be destroyed".
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>>2278
Not just from AI, but with all advice and instruction from anyone and anything (including ITP) do your best to follow this three-step info-gainz program:

1. Verify
2. Verify
3. Verify

If you're not cross-referencing and making decisions from sources without contradictions and with explanatory power, if you're not using common sense and discernment to figure out who is a sensible and knowledgeable person who knows better than you and thus it'd be a good idea to listen (you don't improve anything by listening to your equals; average advice = average results) and in the case of strength and health why would you listen to fitness advice from someone who isn't fit (like probably near-100% of "ethical" programmers behind whatever LLM spat out that probable misinformation based on censored posts from Big Social Six as unpopular and inconvenient truths are often buried by search engine algorithms), then You're Not Doing The Program.
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>>2281
>without contradictions and with both explanatory and predictive power
fix'd

Proofread before you post, or you're not gonna make it.
Next time some jelly faggot bitches at you for something like TRT being fake natty or whatever, ask them if that's how they feel about taking anti-depressants for depression, mood-stabilizers for bipolar, or the ADHD to take legal amphetamine (lucky bastards). It's not "natty" for the depressed to be happy, it's not "natty" for the bipolar to chill the fuck out, it's not "natty" for the ADHD to not have a squirrel for a pre-frontal cortex, and it's not "natty" for your test levels to be so raped by microplastics and xenoestrogens (Alex Jones was right again!) that your "natty" test is at the level of a 2-yo girl at 30. Know what else isn't "natty"? Clothes. Cars. Phones. Internet. Education. Makeup. Deodorant. Weapons other than your bare hands. Governments and corporations. Law and order. Language other than grunting like a neanderthal. Campfires. The wheel. Religion. Philosophy. Morality and ethics. The gym. tl;dr thank them for the compliment of jealousy-based name-calling, because that means you're making it, bro.
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>>2297
>It's not "natty" for the depressed to be happy, it's not "natty" for the bipolar to chill the fuck out, it's not "natty" for the ADHD to not have a squirrel for a pre-frontal cortex, and it's not "natty" for your test levels to be so raped by microplastics and xenoestrogens
None of those issues are actually solved by taking permanently mind altering ((( drugs ))) or injecting foreign hormones into your bloodstream.
>Know what else isn't "natty"? Clothes. Cars. Phones. Internet. Education. Makeup. Deodorant. Weapons other than your bare hands. Governments and corporations. Law and order. Language other than grunting like a neanderthal. Campfires. The wheel. Religion. Philosophy. Morality and ethics.
You're all over the place, I don't think you have a thorough understanding of what is or isn't natural.
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