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How can we deprogram abrahamists? What should every abrahamic fascist know about their religion? What is the best way to get abrahamists out of our nations and communities? How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?

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I heard that the story of the Great Flood was a plagiarism of the story of Ut-Napishtim, but never really looked into it. Does anyone with a background in Babylonian mythology have any insight on the matter?
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>I’ve noticed that majority of these e-crusaders (especially the one who is form the third world) are the most ones who is rabid against European paganism compared to actual white christians. I believe it’s because these folks are viewing Christianity as the religion that makes them related to the white peoples, if the whites abandoned it and went to their ancestral roots or made a new religion, these christian brownoids will lose the privilege that makes them “equal” to the white person. 
That's a very keen observation:
Without the blood of Christ and their familial bond of the Church, yes, they are pretty much strangers and lose out on bonding with White Christians.
I think that is especially the case with Brother Nathanael -- who tragically wants to bond with non-Jews with Christianity after feeling sad with his own upbringing in a synagogue and separate from gentiles.
Look, the whole Christian psychosis is because they have the Jews' archstone and their king, and drink the blood of that king, they are more worthy Jews than the Jews themselves, sense they stole away their sense of being and cult of personality with -their- Messiah...
...But we talk about the Old Testament with Egypt a lot here... and another story that has always bothered me is the inheritance story with Jacob deceiving his father to take Esau's inheritance--and Jacob is supposed to be the GOOD ONE! but he uses DECEPTION to get his way!
And that ALARMS me, because while Christian Identity competes to say that they are the true inheritors and the true Jews... I think this story honestly says all that can be said about the nature of the Jews: they use deception to get their way and steal the blessings of other nations.
I think the relationship between Jews and Christianity is schizophrenic--I think Jews are a schizo, psychotic people--I think Jews bait Christians into thinking that their God rejected them, only to pull the cloth over their eyes and to make Christians think they are the TRUE INHERITORS of -their- heritage, and deceive the Christians that way...
Brother Nathanael is a Jew that I honestly feel bad for--he seems like a lost soul that Christianity would appeal to, i.e. social outcasts who are outside of their tribe--but in the large part, I think it's because Brother Nathanael is a Jew who fell in love with gentile society.
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>>12665 (OP) 
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
The main obstacle is they think it's just that the evangelical zionists are cucked and not mainstream Christianity (Catholic/Orthodox) is not actually jew worship or inherently bad.
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I saw someone else point this out, but it is interesting to me that before Jesus was crucified there was little interest in converting the gentiles: Jesus says he came primarily for the lost sheep of Israel and called gentiles dogs.
It was only afterwards when Jesus was nailed to a cross and killed that he supposedly appeared as a ghost and told his followers to convert the goyim and make apostles of all nations.
Saul is the main culprit behind converting the gentiles.
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I'm amazed at the utter lack of race consciousness / Jewpill they are on the JQ reading the Old Testament.
Clearly, the Old Testament is the Jews' schizo tribal text--the Talmudic reading is probably more accurate than the Christjew reading (which tries to insert its own universalist teachings and ignore the race question).
This is blatantly obvious.
Where Adam Green is reading and interpreting the Jewish power fantasies, but Jay Dyer is reading the Old Testament and thinking, "Huh, this is talking about Christians, not Jewish world domination!"
Christjewry is the ultimate bluepill.
Rightwingers are too forgiving of Christianity when it steps over and breaks everything they hold dear. It is 50x worse than even CivNat in making a kind of cosmopolitan family by the blood of their Jew King... and a Church race where all nations are merged under the God of Israel.
It's like that scene from the Twilight Zone: It's a cook book!
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First, that picture is not a good choice for a thread OP.

Second, there seems to be a new Christcuck trend going on right now: trans people returning to their original selves after hearing or finding Jewsus. Hallelujah!
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>>12719
yes it is, it perfectly describes the premise of the thread
>Christians: Ours is a religion of compassion and forgiveness~ ^ᴗ^✿
>also Christians: WHAAAAAT YOU DON'T WORSHIP MUH RABBI YESHUA??? THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET RAPED AND TORTURED AND BURN FOREVER IN HELL YOU WORTHLESS SATANIST PIECE OF SHIT AND I'M GONNA LAUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING WORTHLESS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL FUCK WHERE YOU BELONG YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
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>I’ve noticed that majority of these e-crusaders (especially the one who is form the third world) are the most ones who is rabid against European paganism compared to actual white christians. I believe it’s because these folks are viewing Christianity as the religion that makes them related to the white peoples, if the whites abandoned it and went to their ancestral roots or made a new religion, these christian brownoids will lose the privilege that makes them “equal” to the white person. 
An astute observation. Most rabid anti-racist "based Christians" are some kind of jeet or spic mix, or 100% non-white. There's no reason to think Chrstianity is ever relevant to their decision-making process, real driver is racial resentiment. They just don't like jews, either, but pretty much everyone who isn't a victim of 100+ years of propaganda dislikes jews. 

That being said... are white polytheists ("paganus" is Latin for "rural retard", it's a slur) actually serious about their faith? They don't exactly make an impression of people who seriously and genuinely believe in Thor or Perun, meanwhile, ironically, it's the "pagan", or deep rural areas, especially of more socially conservative countries such as Poland, genuinely devout Christians exist still.
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>>12732
>That being said... are white polytheists ("paganus" is Latin for "rural retard", it's a slur) actually serious about their faith? They don't exactly make an impression of people who seriously and genuinely believe in Thor or Perun
The point is not actually believing it, it’s more likely to be about identity and culture, something that is actually tied to europe and represents its actual culture, not something imported from the middle east like Christianity.
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>That being said... are white polytheists ("paganus" is Latin for "rural retard", it's a slur) actually serious about their faith? They don't exactly make an impression of people who seriously and genuinely believe in Thor or Perun, meanwhile, ironically, it's the "pagan", or deep rural areas, especially of more socially conservative countries such as Poland, genuinely devout Christians exist still.
You would think it matters much, but are Christians serious about their faith?
Only a fringe minority. 
Most deep down are basically no different than Richard Dawkins--because they are cultural Christians.
If people actually took Christianity seriously, they'd be acting way, way, way differently.
I feel about 75% of Christians don't actually believe with the fullness of their heart.
They're on the same boat as pagans are. 
They keep it for social utility, for any pretense of morality, for a fandom/fanclub in a lifestylist kind of way when they go to their church to dispute church decorations and idolatry and how they should decorate their clubhouse, for charity and because it has stayed prolonged as a large cult. That and that Christianity is a token aspect of some political party's platform (so the cuckservatives gather around it).
Christianity is one big cult, but in this matter is no different than smaller cults, that grooms people and their children, and uses social pressures to keep them in check, etc--Christianity does that on a larger scale with childhood memories of Christmas and pleasures associated with the holiday, imprinting happiness with Christianity early on, and being the only religion promising any sense of an afterlife (that people hardly know the details about--for all we know, Christian appeal to union with God could be union with nothing, like the atheists say, but with a happier sentimentality about it).
All that said, I hardly believe many Christians actually believe in their own religion either, except the fringe elements who were raised into it like a cult, but not average joe.
Yes, the case is it is a reinforced habit of generations, with monolithic buildings (cathedrals & churches) because people were psyoped into worshipping the king of the jews and building him innumerable palaces in his honor--but it is also a cult that is on its way out and clearly lost to Liberalism and has been staggering since the 18th century.
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For the vast majority of Christians, it really narrows down to Christianity for social utility's sake.
It has been well established the last thread that Christianity is downright AWFUL for social utility's sake. It is a narrow cult that basically turns people into a sect of 5th column wannabe jews who hate the rest of society from their synagogues (*churches). 
Most Christians don't know how bad Christianity is for social utility because they have been sold a romanticized version of Christianity through high fantasy genre like LOTR and pop history and grifter e-celebs.
Like >>12733 anon says, Christianity is fundamentally an import from the Old Testament Jews. It is about being Spiritual Jews. 
In being Spiritual Jews, Christians are taught to hate their homeland as a Spiritual Egypt or Spiritual Babylonian Captivity (all enemies of the ancient Jews).
To them, Patriotism is Babylon or Egypt or Pagan Rome.
The ruler is Nebuchadnezzar, Pharaoh, or Nero.
Their loyalty is only to New Jerusalem, to Mt. Zion, to Jesus.
>Babel's garments we've rejected and our fellowship is over!
The best example of how Christianity is socially repulsive is in the Low Church Protestant sects that retract from society and act like nutjob schizos--by and far, that is the spirit of Neronian Christianity, early Christianity as persecuted under Nero, is like an insect that hides under a rock and tries to capture and spread its mind virus as much as it possibly can.
The spirit of early Christianity is the most anti-social force--divorcing people from their families, loving their enemies (to spread more), destroying nativist cultures and religions--when you want to understand why the most of us hate Christianity, don't think of modern, contemporary domesticated, declawed Christianity, but early Christian as it once was--or Christianity spreading into other societies in East Asia like South Korea, because IMHO that is when the full character of Christianity comes out and why it is disgusting--when it is infiltrating other nations early on.
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There is a great difference between Neronian Christianity & domestic Christianity: the former, Neronian Christianity, is when Christianity tries to own and domesticate us--the latter, domesticated Christianity, is when Christianity is absorbed and we take hold of Christianity, and adopt it to our ways (& not us to its ways).
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>Domestic Christianity
The vast majority of e-crusader Christian white nationalists are for domestic Christianity, the staple cultural Christianity that serves as a social glue with homages to 1950s America and their e-grifts.
They think they have "tamed" Christianity...

>Neronian Christianity
The pagan anons hate Christianity because what we see underlying is Neronian Christianity, the social deviant cast of Christianity, that wants to destroy us, infect us with its mind virus, and spread and destroy the cultures of other nations and their idols for a global church.

>example
This video of annoying Christians invading Japan and trying to destroy their culture and society and alienate Japanese people from their Emperor and Shintoism is a prime example of Neronian Christianity--the Christianity that is at the root all along and that doesn't care for its host nations.
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Donald Trump holding a Bible--that is Domestic Christianity.
The domesticated Christianity.
Now...
This cheesy film about rejecting Gaius Caligula as Emperor for King Jesus--that is Neronian Christianity.
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New York City with crosses on its skyscrapers: 
Domestic Christianity.
True Christianity--the Neronian Christianity--is an anti-polis polis, calls New York City (& any nation or any city, be it Germany, France, England, etc) a Sodom and Gomorrah--if not for New Jerusalem's sake, must be seen as Egypts or Babylonian Captivities. 
Neronian Christianity is like a bug under a rock, it is anti-sociable, it is a coven, cult-like following.
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The Christian reading of the Old Testament is so awfully blind to Jewish tribalism.
>No, this isn't a book about Jews and their tribal God, but a universalist text!
You cannot be redpilled on JQ and be a Christian.
Being a Christian is getting drunk, willful ignorance, about Jews not as a faith but as a race/tribe.
The stupid thing about Christianity is it is no way a nationalist text that cares about races, but so far the opposite and for a cosmopolitan, pan-racial creed and "church is my tribe" feeling so it's dumb rightwingers entertain this religion to begin with.

>"The Christian church when that's established that becomes the new Israel"

>"The warnings of those who attack and try to persecute the church are transferred to the church"

>"The Israel that's always been spoken of is the Israel of faith"

>"So the Israel, the only one is the church at all times, even back to Genesis. So that's the only Israel that even counts"

>"He also divorced Israel and kept that promise when in 70 AD Israel's destroyed by Titus of Vespasian fulfilling what Jesus predicted in Luke 21 and Matthew 24"

>"That's the divorce. Matthew 21:43 and then it's opened up to the Gentiles which fulfills all of those promises that the Gentile nations would be brought in to worship the God of Israel"
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Apart from the Old Testament, it's worthwhile to study the adventures of Apostle Saul and his instigation to convert the Goyim. 
It was Saul, who, after Jesus died, took Christianity and applied it to the Gentile world.

From Acts 16:
They seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to face the authorities. They brought them before the magistrates and said, 
>“These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.”
The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered them to be stripped and beaten with rods.

Other anons point out the scene where Jesus calls a goy woman a dog to show Jewish racial consciousness even in Jesus--to open their eyes to how Christianity is Jewish.

Another scene is where Peter is reluctant to eat with the goyim believers.
Galatians 2:11-13
Paul Confronts Peter
>But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

It is Paul primarily who is branching Christianity out to the Gentiles and who took the visions of Jesus telling him to bring Christianity to all nations (when Jesus--when he was alive--said he was for the lost sheep of Israel).
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The biggest obstacle is the Jews rejected Jesus, so they think taking a reject Jew will pull one over the Jews...
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Christianity is spiritually circumcised royalism.
Church is my tribe, Jesus is my king, Mt. Zion is my holy mountain.
(As opposed to Palatine Hill or Mt. Olympus).
It is about circumcising spiritually (meaning, circumcising their heads, making their leaders into Christians) and by circumcising the nations and having them drink blood from Jesus.
>"Jesus is a Jew, Mary is a Jewess, and so we are all part of a family. And as Pius the 11th said, spiritually speaking, we're all Semites"
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Isaiah 60:16
>Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob
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Aristotle:
>And this is the reason why Hellenic states were originally governed by kings; ...the kingly form of government prevailed because they were of the same blood and suckled 'with the same milk'.
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Ephesians 2:19-20
>Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

The chief characteristic of Christianity, its nature, and how it is malicious is in being like John Carpenter's The Thing, to hijack host nations, and make them as hijacked vessels seek to spread Christianity further.

Christians = Christjews
Church = Christjew Family
Christ the King = Changeling Christjew King

The Christjew grift is to
>Love your enemies, hate your family.

What has it achieved in virtues?
• universalizing guilt
• moralizing weakness
• teaching enemy-love
• demonizing hierarchy
• sacralizing the oppressed
• institutionalizing ressentiment
• decoupling morality from nature
• declaring natural instincts sinful
• encouraging indiscriminate altruism
• dismantling aristocratic virtue ethics

An anon also made a good post in the last thread:

Christianity is of course a vehicle of jewish conquest that:

1. introduced an arbitrary foreign god as the supreme god 
2. introduced a predatory foreign people as “chosen and special”
3. legitimated jewish tax farming of goyim
4. broke down racial distinctions (“there is no jew there is no greek, all are one in Christ”)
5. broke down personal wealth (“wealthy men cannot enter the kingdom of god”)
6. broke down personal masculine virtue (“turn the other cheek, love your enemies”)
7. broke down instincts of self-preservation and rationality (“earthly life is only a preparatory trial ere your coming existence in heaven”), etc.
>>12733
>The point is not actually believing it
So, you're not actually pagan - you're just an anti-Christian atheist? Why the charade then? And from what point of view is this not as hypocritical as "Zionist Christianity", even if less overtly harmful?
>>12734
>but are Christians serious about their faith?
The "doctors" and "princes" of the established churches are transparently atheists in robes - in the best case - or schizophrenic cuckolds for the jews - in the worst case. But among the actual common people, you know, the buwark of our race, one can still find devout Christians. People who do, in fact, believe in the tradition passed down through their ancestors, which, in Europe past XII century, happens to be the Christian tradition almost everywhere. 
>If people actually took Christianity seriously, they'd be acting way, way, way differently.
Minority of Christians actually took it seriously at all times, even when it was still new. And 25% is way too generous. For most professed adepts, religion is rarely more than a social club and an excuse for a faction fight - not even reaching the level of "metaphysics for the masses", as it was aptly characteized by Schopenhauer.
>>12737
>Donald Trump holding a Bible--that is Domestic Christianity.
I don't think anyone could possibly mistake Trump for a believer. Even people who don't know his long history of conmanship can listen to him talk for 5 minutes and realize he's a man deeply in love with himself.
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That's the point--Trump is domesticating Christianity for national appeal...
By definition, Domestic Christianity is us molding Christianity rather than letting Christianity mold us.
Neither are really useful--the social conservatives want Domestic Christianity, and I'm saying why that is a bad thing.
Again, the chief problem we'll nevertheless keep bumping our heads into the wall against is we'll hear
>return to Tradition
>return to the old West
But all we have is Christianity, and all the problems with Christianity won't suffice: Christianity has failed--it lost to Liberalism--it wasn't really all that to begin with.
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Now...
Traditionalists like Bob of Speakers Corner, Capel Lofft, Aristocratic Fury, DurhamWASP--who'd throw everything under the bus for Christianity's sake, those are your Neronian Christians who want us to be molded 100% completely by Christianity and the stories of the Old Testament Jews.
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Our cultural legacy has been split by Neronian Christianity--for some of us, our names are named after Old Testament Jews, because to true Neronian Christians, the Jews of the Old Testament were the ever worthy ancestors than all of the pagan world... a True Neronian Christian would rebuke any social science divorced from a purely Christian framework and viewing things Biblically.
Like being in a strict Christian household and only getting to indulge in Super 3D Noah's Ark instead of the whole library of other games, lol.
That is why Domestic Christians (who want to domestic and live with Christianity, but still have the freedoms and comforts of modernity) would HATE and would probably turn into rabid Jacobins if we earnestly tried to go back to pre-1789 (let alone, pre-Reformation) West/Europe. 
I'd agree when Evola says, 
>My values are what were before the French Revolution
That is extremely insincere--otherwise, Evola would be a true Neronian Christian (he is not)--so there is a lot of postering, because people remember Christianity in the sense... not as Super 3D Noah's Ark and a continuation of the Old Testament Jews unto their gentile nations as adoptees... no, they romanticize Medievalism as the Legend of Zelda tier stuff, which is very misleading--again, that too is another aspect of Domestic Christianity.
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These are your true Neronian Christians... 
Standing tall among them is Dugin, who is the epitome of High Church contempt for the West--
Which is summed up in the sentiment of:
>If the West is not New Jerusalem, but rather Altantis
>Then let the West burn, Whites are to blame themselves
>For not obeying their God (let them be destroyed like the diaspora Jews of the Old Testament by other nations migrating)

They will only love the West (IF the West becomes New Jerusalem, the Church, the Cathedral represents the City of New Jerusalem)...
...Some are greatly mistaken, like Zoomer Historian, to adopt Christianity as a pan-European appeal, that is another example of Domestic Christianity--using Christianity for our own ends--us shaping Christianity, when Neronian Christianity is not pan-European, it's pan-everyone, it's about all four corners of all the nations...
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Tradcath New Columbia Movement--that's also Neronian Christian... there are a lot of traditional Catholics who are pulled by a certain e-grifter I cannot mention (because it autobans here)--that is also Domestic Christianity.
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Aristocratic Fury is a notable example of the Neronian Christian aristocratic traditionalists in e-monarchist circles... who gravitate around Habsburgism (which Hitler hated); they also want Church über alles.
Their attitude towards nationalism is Church should be the primary allegiance -- not any tangentally related political allegiance -- and that the West should be like Hoppe envisions "A Europe of a Thousand Liechtensteins" which is really just splitting the lands between myriad petty princes...
...It is a kind of misguided, covertly Aristotelian outlook...
But I'm not convinced these are covert Domestic Christians--I think there is a stronger Trad Cathy vision between them, so they are Neronian Christians.
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The ancapy people who conveniently side with the medievalist Trad Caths because they want Hoppe's vision and both find a common enemy in Statism (the former, Trad Caths, because they want to advance Church > State, and the latter Ancaps because they want anarchism, it is an alliance of convenience--if their politics were converted to religion, they'd be more Protestant really or Orthodox at best--Catholicism serves at best to be a source of common values/friendship like Aristotle envisions, but Trad Catholicism is not really like that, as it wants papal primacy and not one among equals with the bishops like the Orthodox bishops are arranged...)
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Rousseau adequately lays down why Domestic Christianity *which "Positive Christianity" is the epitome of--cannot work.
Christianity cannot be salvaged and utilized towards the betterment of our society--by its very nature it is antithetical to our social well being.
I recommend reading Rousseau Social Contract pages 67 through 73.
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Rousseau's criticism of Christianity:
>You may ask: ‘Why were there no wars of religion in the pagan world, where each state had its own form of worship and its own gods?’ 

>My reply is that just because each state had its own form of worship as well as its own government, no state distinguished its gods from its laws. Political war was also theological war; the gods had, so to speak, provinces that were fixed by the boundaries of nations. The god of one people had no right over other peoples. The gods of the pagans were not jealous gods

>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.

>However, as there was always a prince and civil laws as well as a church, this double power created a conflict of jurisdiction that made it impossible for Christian states to be governed well; and men never managed to discover whether they were obliged to obey the master or the priest.

>Several peoples, however, even in Europe and its neighbourhood, have tried to preserve or restore the old system–tired and failed, because the spirit of Christianity has won every time. The sacred cult has always remained or again become independent of the sovereign and not essentially linked with the body of the state.

>Among us Europeans, the Kings of England have been made heads of the Church, and the Czars have done much the same.

>The philosopher Hobbes is the only Christian writer who has seen the evil and seen how to remedy it, and has dared to propose bring the two heads of the eagle together again, restoring the total political unity without which no state or government will ever be rightly constituted. But he should have seen that Christianity's domineering spirit is incompatible with his system, and that the priest's side of the divide would always be stronger than the state's. What has drawn down hatred on his political theory is not so much what is false and terrible in it as what is just and true…

>But this religion, having no special relation to the body politic, leaves the laws with only the force they draw from themselves without adding anything to it; which means that one of the great bonds for uniting the society of the given country is left idle. Worse: so far from binding the citizens' hearts to the state, it detaches them from that and from all earthly things. I know of nothing more contrary to the social spirit.

>Christianity is an entirely spiritual religion, occupied solely with heavenly things; the Christian's country is not of this world.

>But I'm wrong to speak of a Christian republic–those terms are mutually exclusive.
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HP Lovecraft also explains how Christianity "sapped at the vigorously nationalistic cast of the Roman mind" and "made the people feel that the identity--or even the nature--of their earthly government was comparatively inessential".
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HP Lovecraft on Christianity:
>In the later stages of decay Christianity undoubtedly did harm through its exaltation of softness, justice, and universal brotherhood, and its demand for the renunciation of earthly ties and loyalty; but it is a mistake to consider this the principal cause of decline, as some do. Rome  would never have adopted this mawkish slave-religion if it had not begun to acquire the soft slave-mind and the subtle slave-religion of human equality. The nation, through other causes, had come psychologically unfitted for the traditional classic polytheism and the virile schools of philosophy. Itself decadent, it had begun to demand something like the slave-faiths and mystically consolatory cults of the long-decadent East.

>It was pure accident that Christianity won--but once it did win, it undeniably did harm through its weakening effect on patriotism. It sapped at the vigorously nationalistic cast of the Roman mind, and made the people feel that the identity--or even the nature--of their earthly government was comparatively inessential.
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Martin Bormann proclaims the dropping of Positive Christianity and why it cannot be made compatible with the National Socialist cause.
...This was after a long, arduous task of the Prussians to make Christianity compatible with its own State Church--which came to fail just like it had failed with the Church of England and the Stuarts and the English Civil Wars...
The Prussians tried very hard from their first notable King Frederick I whose coronation had a Reformed and Lutheran dualistically anointing him to try and establish a bond between all Christians in the realm...
It was Frederick William III of Prussia who also tried to unite the Protestants--
Later, Hitler & the National Socialists picked up and tried to utilize a domestic Christianity and it failed:
This piece by Martin Bormann explains speaks for itself:
  
>It follows from the incompatibility of National Socialist and Christian views that we must reject any strengthening of existing Christian denominations or any support for newly emerging Christian denominations. There is no difference between the different Christian denominations. For this reason, the idea of establishing a Protestant Imperial Church by uniting the various Protestant churches has been finally abandoned, because the Protestant Church is just as hostile to us as the Catholic Church. Any strengthening of the Protestant Church would only work against us.

>It was a historical mistake of the German emperors in the Middle Ages that they repeatedly created order at the Vatican in Rome. In general, it is a mistake that we Germans unfortunately all too often fall into: we strive to create order when we should have an interest in fragmentation and disunity. The Hohenstaufens should have had the greatest interest in the fragmentation of church power. From the point of view of the empire, it would have been best if not one pope, but at least two, if possible even more, popes had existed and fought each other...

>More and more the people must be wrested away from the churches and their organs, the pastors. Of course, from their point of view, the churches will and must defend themselves against this loss of power. 

>But the churches must never again be allowed to have any influence on the leadership of the people. 

>This must be broken completely and finally. Only the Reich leadership and, on its behalf, the party, its branches and affiliated associations have the right to lead the people.

>We would be repeating the mistakes that were the empire's downfall in the past centuries if, after recognizing the ideological opposition of the Christian denominations, we now somehow contributed to strengthening one of the various churches. The interest of the empire lies not in overcoming, but in maintaining and strengthening ecclesiastical particularism."

Verhältnis von Nationalsozialismus und Christentum
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Neronian Christians are agents who came to divide a household:
These Christjews are more than content to divide a nation like a household.

Neronian Christians are more than willing to divide nations upon denomination lines (Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox) like they wanted with Germany. Yes, the more hardcore Christians are very adamant and openly state this. If it could be done, they'd rather the boundaries be split between Catholics and Protestants. Their ultra-clericalism knows no bounds and and is globohomo at the same time--seeking to spread by the Great Commission and divide all households/nations until they submit to their Church.
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Like it was said in the last thread:
The English Civil War captures in spirit everything wrong with Matthew 10:34-36:
>Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
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Here you have a scenario where all Christian men are against each other, and tbh all are loyal to Christ the King -- but not King Charles I the King (not even Charles I himself is loyal unto his own kingdom by this point, but all the others unto Christ's Kingdom) -- and in the end they're all enemies unto their own household or kingdom / nation.
Realizing this, not even the pretense of Christianity's sanctions for monarchy really hold up well for monarchy: it is all nullified by the inconvenience that these people are in all honesty made a bastard people by Christianity: people who only regard the pews of the Church as their Kingdom, and people who only regard Christ the King as their true King:
In the end, it is the Christian Monarchies that are ultimately being cucked out by cuckoo birds (The Church) into feeding into this other King of the Jew's cuckoo eggs and raising the subjects to only regard -that- King and disregard their own sense of identity and attachment to them as proper Kings:
Because not only is Christianity indifferent to the fate of their Kingdoms (as we've come to see), but even hostile if they should pick up such a cause and lead--only cherishing from the pulpit either the Church henchmen like Charlemagne who did the dirty work or the martyrs (*who paid the price for being too Christian in all honesty). --Christianity rewards nothing more than for a King to give up and effectively destroying his own kingdom for Christ's sake--and it sows the seeds of a kind of apathy in this end that is a total disservice to these cucked Christian royalty with their King of the Jews cuckoo eggs and letting their people be a new generation of cuckoo people who neither care for their nation nor their king really at hearts but rather for the church and cuckoo king.
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Later, an anon concurred with that sentiment: >>11657
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REPOST:
Funny for you to mention this particular period, because the English Civil War (1642–1651) is literally Matthew 10:34–36 on a national scale, and it’s one of the most brutal proofs that Christianity can turn brother against brother faster and more viciously than any other ideology in European history. Royalists (mostly Anglican, high-church, loyal to the divinely-appointed king) vs. Parliamentarians (mostly Puritan/Calvinist, convinced they were God’s elect fighting Antichrist) Neighbours denouncing neighbours for “popish” Christmas decorations or “blasphemous” prayer-book use Families split: Prince Rupert vs. his own cousin Prince Maurice on opposite sides, fathers and sons killing each other at Edgehill and Naseby Cities and villages torn apart by which Bible verses you thought justified rebellion or monarchy 7–10 % of the adult male population dead in England alone (proportionally worse than World War I) It wasn’t about race, land, or money at the core; it was about whose interpretation of Christ was the true one and who got to force it on everyone else with pike and musket. That war is the perfect real-world illustration of “I came not to bring peace, but a sword.” Christianity didn’t just divide households; it turned an entire White, Anglo-Saxon nation into a blood-soaked slaughterhouse over theology. 
Christians never shut up about how pagans were too “tribal” and “disunified” to stand against Rome… then they finally get their perfect One God, One Church, One Book dream, and immediately start butchering each other on a scale that makes pre-Christian tribal squabbles look like a playground scuffle.
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This quote sums up Neronian Christianity--they do not belong to any family, any city or nation, or unto any king--they only belong to Christjew family (CHURCH), to New Jerusalem, to the King of the Jews and Mt. Zion.

>“I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at  once—his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city on earth but to the heavenly Jerusalem.”
St. John Chrysostom
>>12746
>Standing tall among them is Dugin, who is the epitome of High Church contempt for the West
Dugin's claim to be Christian is only slightly more tenable than Trump's. Dugin is a schizophrenic, and it's not an insult, it's a fact. That man has a disordered mind - a powerful intellect for sure, but scrambled and unfocused one. If anything, he's closer to American Protestants in a sense of "pick and choose your doctrine" (with a side of abusing writings of poor dear Rene Guenon) rather than High Church where the doctrine had been finalized centures before you were born.
He hates the West because 1) Russia had been politically opposing "The West" for the last few centuries, despite rather plainly being a part of it 2) Rene Guenon, his favourite philosopher, considered the modern civilization - of which the pinnacle is indeed in the West, and primarily in the USA - as the lowest point in moral and intellectual degradation of Mankind. But Guenon wasn't schizophrenic, and he certainly saw that the same tendencies are at work in the East and that in the future, the East might sink even lower.
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That is all that can be said about Neronian Christianity & Domestic Christianity (on my part).
How can we deprogram abrahamists? Like OP prompts >>12665 (OP) 
I say, point to early Christianity, the true character of Neronian Christianity, that is, Christianity not as established, but as it infects and tries to covertly take over nations.
In the West, there is Domestic Christianity, and what people appeal to is Domestic Christianity those past centuries from the Middle Ages to the 1700s.
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I think if pagan anons point out early Christianity, how it is anti-nativist, and how it is infiltrating contemporary societies like Japan or South Korea right now, that is a good way to show Domestic Christians why they are actually opposed to true Neronian Christianity.
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What Christianity is doing to East Asia is awful to witness.
...I think the most detestable, forlorn aspects of Christianity, and why we should hate it... all come out when Neronian Christianity is most visible, and Neronian Christianity is most visible in the early stages of Christianity infiltrating a host nation.
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The Moonies in South Korea are a cult who promote mass interracial marriages and cosmopolitanism.
Shinzo Abe was assassinated for alleged connections to the Moonie cult and other sickly offspring of Christianity infesting East Asia.
It is like witnessing Ancient Rome being infected by Christianity all over again or the Odinist tribes being infected with Christ lunacy. 
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Other anons pointed out, but all the people promoting multiculturalism and immigration in Japanese/South Korean politics also tend to be Christians and it has a nefarious influence...
...Unfortunately, for South Korea, Christianity has rapidly sprung and taken over their society being roughly 30% of South Korean population have been adopted into Christianity...
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Confucianism, IMHO, is superior to, and supremely more sociable and utilized for social harmony, far better than Christianity.
It's sad to watch East Asians infected with Christianity, abandoning their Emperor or like they're trying to do in North Korea--slip Bibles into their nations and cause social dishevel--the North Koreans would be right to persecute them.
Because in every instance of Christianity trying to infect East Asia, the outcome has been to infiltrate and destroy their social harmony and bonds. 
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The Enlightenment's high estimation of Confucianism is validated, I think, because it is far better for social utility than Christianity... Social Conservatives who are really Domestic Christians trying to bring us to embrace Christian morality and teachings... and inevitably slope back to Neronian Christianity (which I don't think neoconservatives really want) -- that Neronian Christianity is like a social poison.
One need only look at how even those critical or outright antagonical to christianity still use the enemy's terms. Case in point, the word "demon" and consequently "demonization". It's insane to see it in action, once you wake up to it.
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I'll admit, there is one aspect of paganism (particularly, Hellenism) that I'd personally dislike in particular--and, IMHO, contributed to the rise of Christianity, because I think Jesus himself is a Promethean character and the Jews rejected him partially because Jesus was like a Hellenistic king (in being a god like Alexander the Great or Gaius Caligula was--that is why Jesus was treasonable to Roman Emperors).
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Because as much as God the Father is atrocious to the pagan deities, I'd also wager to say that God the Son is atrocious to kings/emperors. As Mt. Zion is atrocious to Mt. Olympus (or, in North Korea's case, Mt. Paektu)--and Golgotha "Place of the Skull" where Jesus was crucified is atrocious to Palatine Hill (where the word "palace" is derived from).
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Monarchies in relation to the City should sit on the acropolis--which is the highest point of a city. 
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As a monarchist (/monarchy/) anon, I deeply resent Christianity for destroying familialism/imperial cult or cult of personality around a king/emperor with Christjew familialism/CHURCH & the King of the Jews, and for severing the blood relations of all nations between their own archstones (being kings) with their supposed form of godliness in Jesus. 
...I never liked e-crusaders either and their belittling domestic issues, lauding kings who go on crusades, but more severely hating kings who are domestic and concerned with their kingdoms...
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What I resent in Hellenism I'll bring up in the next post and why I think it pertains to the rise of Christianity...
Aptly, I think this would be more appropriate for an unpopular opinions thread, but because it also pertains to Christianity I'll post it here.
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My niche problem with a part of Hellenism (& how I think certain aspects contributed to the rise of Christianity):
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Plato is vindicated deeming poets image of gods as a negative influence.
The succession myth of Uranus > Cronus > Zeus has breathed a revolutionary spirit into Westerners from the beginning, viewing fathers & kings as petty tyrants.
From what I understand, this portrayal has its roots in the Hittite mythology: Kumarbi bites off the balls of Anu. In the same sense, that is what is happening with the Greek gods in their poetic portrayal (which Plato condemns).
It is a bad influence in ways I'll enumerate on.
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This succession myth of Uranus, Cronus, Zeus toppling the next father god & their portrayals as petty tyrants has set the tone for Western civilization to hate kings & look at fathers/authority with contempt, & to romanticize revolution.
Cronus castrates his father to have his potential, cutting off his balls like harvesting fruit. This is where Aristotle gets the idea that the Greek father is to be harvested & cares for his children, whereas Persian father is tyrannical and the sons serve him.
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This is kinda why Christianity was able to take over Hellenistic religion–because this succession myth portrayed gods muh tyrant meme–when Jesus came as a servant God, like Aristotle's father, offering his body as fruit to be harvested, it outclassed the Greek gods.
In that way the Greeks already had the cultural expectation of gods overthrowing their own father gods in revolutions–to harvest their fruit, and when Jesus offered himself to be harvested to the masses, this readily made the revolution of Christianity complete.
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The Jews rejected Jesus partially because in certain aspects Jesus was like a Hellenic King.
1st, in being a god (like Alexander the Great or Gaius Caligula was).
2nd, in usurping the old pantheon completed the theme of the Uranus-Cronus-Zeus myth, let himself be harvested
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The Greeks accepted Jesus partially because, I think, Jesus was a Prometheus figure, who stole Zeus' fire and gave it to mankind.
Greeks were used to the idea of tyrannical father gods being usurped/overthrown (Uranus/Cronus/Zeus) & readily did this with Zeus.
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The Jews & Greeks have a kind of anti-monarchy synergy there. The Jews associate it with the Pharaoh. The Greeks associate it with the Persian Kings. So both associated it with their enemies.
The Jews associated the practice of monarchy with the other nations, and condemned their adoption of it because they wanted to be like -other- nations. The image of monarchy is most sordid with the image of the Pharaoh.
On account of disobedience to kings, the midwives are brought up for disobeying the Pharaoh (even though in this context the Pharaoh was a foreign ruler & not a domestic one...)
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That is why I disagree with HP Lovecraft that Christianity was just another oriental import.
The Jews are not like any other oriental people... They too also were Hellenized (& that contributed to the rise of Christianity and its appeal to Greeks).
Oriental people don't abide by Aristotle's definition of a tyrannical Persian father--for them, like with Confucius, serving one's father is virtuous, reestablishes one's sense of being and integrity--Even though Plato agreed that these poets should be censored, I don't think even Plato himself really understood that appeal to monarchy... but Plato is far less obnoxious than Aristotle, I say, and Hobbes prefers Plato to Aristotle on that account as well... but the whole of Western Civilization, particularly is psychosis, has its lust for revolution from the Uranus, Cronus, Zeus succession myth, I say.
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...This is why I think at the root of it, Western people aren't really for royalism or haven't quite authentically experienced it... at least, the exception being with Christianity, which is a kind of royalism they have nestled and accepted because Jesus as a servant god and letting us harvest his potential and drink his blood and eat his body appeals to the theme of Uranus, Cronus, Zeus myth of harvesting the potency of the gods in turn of a revolution.
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If there was the Osiris Myth (which has Horus restoring his Father Osiris after being usurped) or a teacher like Confucius (who reveres the role of father & son in a way Aristotle condemns...), then I think Western Civilization would have been more compatible with royal monarchy.
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Overall, I agree with Plato's sentiment:
>"Hesiod told about how Uranus accomplished what he says he did, & how Cronus took revenge on him. As for Cronus's deeds & sufferings at the hands of his son [Zeus], even if they were true, I wouldn't think they should be told to the youth in this lighthearted way."
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& later, Hobbes concurring here:
The end of a Golden Age–RUINED by Uranus/Cronus/Zeus castration & usurpation myth
>And what bloodshed hath not this erroneous doctrine caused, That Kings are not superiors to, but administrators for the multitude?

>Yea they reverenced the supreme power, whether residing in one man or in a council, as a certain visible divinity;

>Therefore they little used as in our days, to join themselves with ambitious, and hellish spirits, to the utter ruin of their State; for they could not entertain so strange a fancy as not to desire the preservation of that by which they were preserved;

>in truth, the simplicity of those times was not yet capable of so learned a piece of folly.

>Wherefore it was peace, and a golden age, which ended not before that Saturn being expelled, it was taught lawful to take up arms against Kings.
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Like I said, this is probably more of an unpopular opinion (/monarchy/fag edition--I know /fascist/ probably might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts). I am a little neutral on the opinion that it was entirely Platoism that lead to the spread of Christianity, because I do think Christianity also infused aspects of Hellenism (like I bring up--a Promethean character & Uranus/Cronus/Zeus harvesting myth)... I think pagan anons might forgive me on this account because they're Nordicists/Odinists and this is more of a knack with Hellenism (that I have to agree with Plato on--he wanted to banish the poets for it).
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>>12753
I will re-iterate, it is high church contempt for the West, Guenonfag.
Maybe the fault is I said high church, true, the low church prots also have kingdom theology of their own... 
The High Church contempt is that the West is not the Cathedral--it is not New Jerusalem.
Russia opposing "The West" isn't consistent. 
Yes, I think like dear Rene Guenon, there is a passion not for Christianity,  but rather Islam... many of the traditionalists secretly like Islam, and like I re-iterated in the last thread: King Charles III has taken the perennialist outlook to the detriment of his own kingdom... in loving and trying to see the truth in all religions... (some traditionalists, like Guenon, convert to Islam...)
Dugin's City on a Hill is the Islamic Republic of Iran--and that sand castle is being attacked right now by ZOGUSA.
Personally, I don't give a damn about the Islamic Republic of Iran. I'd spite Duginists so much that I hope the Jewusa destroys their glorious sand castle.
In Dugin's case, as with Christians... it is that the West is not New Jerusalem, plain and simple: you might say, that it isn't a worldly New Jerusalem, but I'd say this is naive--it is just like with the communists in their aspiration for a better humanity/future, so the same with Christians and New Jerusalem... & aspiring to transform the world for a new earth and a new heaven...
Yes, I think Dugin has the ultra-clericalist contempt that traditionalists like yourself inherited from papalism in spurning all politics as merely temporalisms/secularisms/"not important".
...I expressed my discontent with this doctrine (which I think inhabits with perennialists especially in the reign of K. Charles III)... that Plato himself, for all his metaphysics and appeal to contemplation... never quite abandoned the benefit of the State...
Personally, I have never quite liked the metaphysicans everyone is always glazing, be it Spengler, Rene Guenon, Evola, ((( Leo Strauss ))) academic acolytes... etc--and I think it has gone overboard in being an appeal to metaphysics for metaphysics sake... like I said with King Charles III and abandoning his own station and the integrity of his own kingdom and just falling in love with Islam...  

Glaucon:
>"But is not this unjust? Ought we to give them a worse life, when they might have a better?"

Socrates:
>"You have again forgotten, my friend, the intention of the legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State.
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High Church Christianity hasn't had the civic optimism like Aristotle & other ancients had--among the Jews, they are clear that the civic spirit is nothing especial to their view of God, and that it might as well be Sodom and Gomorrah if not the Cathedral.
The Cathedral represents an anti-polis polis. It is a City against all Cities. The New Jerusalem raised in their contempt...
Just like that Gremlims 2 video >>12738 the Christian views the UNWASHED MASSES much like the Jews view the UNCIRCUMCISED MASSES -- as GOYIM -- High Church Christianity has a kind of synagogue contempt that Jesus had for that woman he called a dog... 
Duginites want to make it out that it's the West's fault and has nothing to do with Christianity... that the White man should blame himself rather than criticize Christianity.
HP Lovecraft is vindicated along with Rousseau and others--who say that Christianity sapped at that civic optimism and patriotic spirit... 
For Dugin, it's an clericalist outlook he shares with his Muslim cohorts... who also deem patriotism to be a kind of paganism...
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Psalm 2
>Why do the nations conspire
>and the peoples plot in vain?
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>The kings of the earth rise up
>and the rulers band together
>against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
>“Let us break their chains
>and throw off their shackles.”
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>The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
>the Lord scoffs at them.
>He rebukes them in his anger
>and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
>“I have installed my king
>on Zion, my holy mountain.”
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>I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
>He said to me, “You are my son;
>today I have become your father.
>Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance,
>the ends of the earth your possession.
>You will break them with a rod of iron;
>you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
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The Hellenist made these.
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The Hellenist TBH (despite what I said earlier) also helped wedge me away (by reading his content).
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Tatsuya Ishida also has a few gems here and there.
I personally thank Adam Green, The Hellenist, Seethroughitall, Tatsuya Ishida, etc.
The Nietzscheans Right are also frankly nice accomplices who help move the overton window away from the social conservative christjews whose voices drown out everything...
They helped me finally break off with any pretense of liking Christianity...
...Though my personal journey starts with severe discontent with the Christian traditionalist community and dealing with them up close (being a /monarchy/ anon)--to a boiling point where I've become so fed up with Christjewry. The #1 cure to any flirtation with Christianity is actually trying to deal with hardcore & persistent Christjews who themselves more than anything else that helps alienate people, the pagan anons, Nietzscheans, and, yes, even secular people are there to catch you after falling out with a blanket of support...
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Tatsuya Ishida nails it.
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honestly, i do not get the entire point of discussion truly, as almost nobody even believes in christianity at all, or they all have their own headcannon versions and call themselves christian and even those that do are lidl christians, it is pretty much totally irrelevant especially in a sense where you would claim its jewish, just stupid
and even if you were to say christianity has a grip, which it really, truly, does not, people will rather listen to some basketball nigger over local pastor or whatever, what would and would you be willing to fight it at all or just discussing ideas and morality? 
i see these christians, i see people entering church, nobody gives much thought about it at all, those that do are totally missing the fucking point, it is just an ancient puzzle for people with nothing better to do, so i guess that is what is going on here
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>>12771
>honestly, i do not get the entire point of discussion truly, as almost nobody even believes in christianity at all
It still has a stranglehold on rightwing politics... Some half-hearted Christian sentimentality and longing is really at the basis of conservative politics, and every appeal to Tradition and the like is just going to hit the wall: Christianity.
So that is why discussion here is relevant still.
Especially in the USA when Christian zionist evangelicals are a real force to be reckoned with.
>>12690
>Brother Nathanael is a Jew who fell in love with gentile society.
Like a demon falling in love with a human. Aww.
>>12771
>as almost nobody even believes in christianity at all
They believe enough to go full st00pid and want to behead you if you spit on their beloved space zombie. Others will be ready to dispossess their own children in order to increase their chances of going to Heaven lol. Many prefer to support colored brothers than White atheists or pagans. it really is a house of madness that's been eating at us during a whole cycle.
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Blackboard: christcucks for Israel.

When your religion isn't stiff and hermetic enough to give believers all the ideological and theological tools they need to protect their own people, their blood, and hate their enemies, that's what you get.
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>>12795
Is there a single ordained priest or monk in this "congregation"? Or is American "Christianity" an LLC?
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>>12800
Ordained by whom or what? Protestants don't care about any of the major churches with LONG histories because it doesn't change what's in their bible and because they literally sprang out of them, in direct rebellion to them in many cases.
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Neronian Christianity projects Nero as the Anti-Christ, yet like the bad portrayal of Nero--Neronian Christianity (the true Christianity) also wants to watch the world burn--& to burn Rome & all nativist nations to rebuild the New Jerusalem in its place.
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>>12801
Protestantism makes one's reading of the Bible the final authority in all things, so if you're sufficiently charismatic and can manage theobabble, you can go far and high, and make megabucks too.
>>12807
They deflected the responsibility of the burning on Christians, which is very possible, but I read that the fires started in the Jewish district of Rome. *rub rub*
For our absolute monarchy friend here:

How do you assert that you are the agent of divine forces?
How do you identify these forces and their intent?
How do you prove it to the people to legitimize yourself?
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>>12766
>ulgy statue
How is that anywhere confirmed being a representation of YHWH?
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Niccolo Machiavelli:
>This is that the Church has kept and keeps this province divided. And truly no province has ever been united or happy unless it has all come under obedience to one republic or to one prince, as happened to France and to Spain. The cause that Italy is not in the same condition and does not also have one republic or one prince to govern it is solely the Church. For although it has inhabited and held a temporal empire there, it has not been so powerful nor of such virtue as to be able to seize the tyranny of Italy and make itself prince of it.  On the other hand, it has not been so weak that it has been unable to call in a power to defend it against one that had become too powerful in Italy, for fear of losing dominion over its temporal things. This has been seen formerly in very many experiences: when, by means of Charlemagne, it expelled the Lombards, who were then almost king of all Italy, and when in our times it took away power from the Venetians with the aid of France, then expelled the French with the aid of the Swiss. Thus, since the Church has not been powerful enough to be able to seize Italy, nor permitted another to seize it, it has been the cause that Italy has not been able to come under one head but has been under many princes and lords, from whom so much disunion and so much weakness has arisen that it has been lead to be the prey not only of barbarian powers but of whoever assaults it.

Machiavelli appeals to active virtu:
>Our religion has glorified humble and contemplative more than active men. It has then placed the highest good in humility, abjectness, and contempt of things human; the other placed it in greatness of spirit, strength of body, and all other things capable of making men very strong. And if our religion asks that you have strength in yourself, it wishes you to be capable of more of suffering than of doing something strong.

At the root of Rousseau, Hobbes, Nietzsche & others appeal to civic religion is Niccolo Machiavelli. Who wanted more utility and consequentialism. --The Discourses on Livy cover the relationship of civic religion with the princes Romulus and Numa, the first being a militant general and the latter being a priest king: Machiavelli praises the use of religion to instill order in the public where a prince is lacking the militant character, but underneath all that Machiavelli praises a strong prince like Romulus in subtle and not-so-subtle ways:

>"For where the fear of God fails, it must be either that the kingdom comes to ruin or that it is sustained by the fear of a prince, which supplies the defects of religion." 
- Machiavelli (from the Discourses of Livy)

This is a sentiment I agree with and is ultimately somewhere near to my own appeal to civic religion in this day and age: I feel we need the fear of a prince to supply the defects of religion, a cult of personality.
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>>12816
>How do you assert that you are the agent of divine forces?
Being a civil sovereign, having a cult of personality--that is the mark of preeminence for me.
As James VI & I would say, all the qualities of a king agree in basically being a demigod among men.

>How do you identify these forces and their intent?
I'm not sure we could truly know their intent, but there is gravity to a cult of personality that people fall into, like people naturally falling into a kind of civil worship like a crowd gathering around a singer on a stage.

>How do you prove it to the people to legitimize yourself?
This will always be a fickle ground, but in my appeal the civil sovereign is, as Hobbes says, the soul of the Commonwealth.
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Monarchy & a cult of personality, the seed of natural religion, & the epitome of civic religion–when people develop a civic soul and unity that is so strong… that it fosters a great community of pleasures and pains, where all men are manifest through one man.
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I agree w/ Hobbes/Machiavellian outlook on civic religion: civic religion coincides with a kind of cult of personality.
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In my view, monarchy is not just another statesmen or secular henchmen that religion picks up--in my view, monarchy has the very kernel of natural religion.
Religion & Polity coincide;
A cult of personality of monarchy inspires the ways of the gods on Mt. Olympus, and vice versa, for Palatine Hill, not to bicker which comes first--the chicken or the egg.
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Cult of personality makes a people; a king is the father of a race.
Xenophon:
>Cambyses, a king of the Persians, & one of the Perseidae, who look to Perseus as the founder of their race Perseus, the founder of the Persian race.
Dante:
>The father of the Roman people was Aeneas
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Unity of one person creates culture in people... without a monarch, a group of people are like an amorphous blob--without a singer on a stage, they have no "culture of their minds" like Hobbes says, which tills the soil and cultivates them.
Hobbes attributes this to fear/worship.
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One person breathes a soul into a people.
Unity of one person -makes- a people.
Like Hobbes says--the Civil Sovereign is the soul of the Commonwealth.
Unity lays the groundwork for people to communicate–like a singer on a stage speaks to people–monarchy has the strongest unity.
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Hobbes Leviathan:
>For Cultus signifies properly, and constantly, that labor which a man bestows on any thing, with a purpose to make benefit by it.
>In the first sense the labour bestowed on the Earth, is called Culture; and the education of Children a Culture of their minds.
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Plato suggests if we're going to develop a culture--begin w/ the youth (he'd raise a whole generation  by the age of ten).
Jesus says to throw a millstone around the necks of anyone taking the youth away from him.
Developing a culture out of people starts w/ impressing the youth-but people in general gravitate around some persona and that spreads to the youth as well.
Hitler also wanted to initiate his own Hitler Youth for the beginning of his own regime and raise a new generation.
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Proof of a mark of preeminence of monarchs over a people is that cities are named after them (showing monarchs form cultures sometimes among the gods):
>Rome after Romulus
>Alexandria after Alexander
>Washington DC after George Washington
Kings are the archstones of their people.
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TL;DR:
Romulus, with the unity of his person & his own cult of personality, plowed and cultivated the boundaries of Rome, and Rome was named after him.
Culture begins with a cult of personality.
This very act of plowing the fields denotes the unity and authority of Romulus as the soul of the Commonwealth--and to divide the lands as their arbiter... the same sentiment in Monarchy is seen when it is the King who summons the estates general (because it is the unity of monarchs that comes first, then the estates/community of goods, which the unity of monarchy lays the communication for).
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I don't really see the appeal to Evola & the others, esp. as they criticize Fascists & Nazis--Nietzsche/Machiavelli... They sought to return to civic optimism: Evola says rather to "look up" 🎈, but that doesn't substantially remedy the problems these people sought to resolve.
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I worry it becomes metaphysics for metaphysics sake--truth in all religions, etc, a dilemma that re-invokes the third man argument.
My chief concern with perennialist traditionalism is #1. it sheds the civic optimism for a strict clericalism #2. K. Charles III universalism.
King Charles III is the epitome of what I fear--a king, who seeing truth in all religions, and loves contemplation so much, that he abandons making his own cult of personality and his own civic religion... and is like a philosopher king who refuses to come down or plant any seeds...
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Just as integrity of God is purported to have the integrity of all forms, so too does the integral Polis has integrity of all the estates/households, crafts, businesses, & all people--so politics is integral for society by its fruition as much as individual fulfillment in God.
All the estates (which represents every virtue of a people, every profession and job, every capacity to labor and fulfill) is found in the fruition of states and civic religion... you cannot build any integral society without realizing this fruition of the City, and that is why I stress Plato's philosopher kings returning back down from their lofty heights (rather than going up and up and up and away)--Christianity lacks the civic optimism of the ancients... sees a Sodom and Gomorrah... Christian conservatives work in vain to appeal to a moral society, because they neglect the realization of the political life... and all the estates pertinent, which is everything sociable really... Christian conservatives might as well be shipped to an island for all they're good for.
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From a Machiavellian standpoint--that really wants the sheer utility & the consequentialism of it all--I find it difficult to join hands with these metaphyscians who are there to criticize. 
I point out that even Plato said to come back down to his contemplative philosopher kings.
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>>12819
Schizo or LLM?
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>>12824
No, he's a /monarchy/ fag who finds more in common with fascists than he does the retards on his original board, though he does get a bit schizo at times.
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I usually revere Gaius Caligula because Gaius Caligula sought to emulate Alexander the Great (that's why they hated him--he wanted to be the kind of monarch Alexander the Great aspired to be, not just as a great conqueror, but as a truly divine & preeminent ruler).
This is how I try to justify monarchy post-Abrahamism... without the usual Christian conventions...
...I sound schizo because I am a real autist... and promote a notion of government that is both anachronistic and tbh somewhat repulsive to most people.
TBH, it's no longer even about mutual interests with fascism, but I also have a personal gripe and vendetta with the Christjews that hits deep... you are really close to them as a monarchist, and having had a falling out... I emphasize more with the anti-abrahamists.
I'll describe that in my next post.
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Christianity has always rivaled the imperial cult–it began with contempt of the Pharaoh, when the Pharaoh took Abraham's wife Sarah (who represents for Christians–the Church) into his harem.
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When Emperors adopted Christianity, it was the same scenario: They were deceived into thinking the Church was a faithful concubine–"love your enemies"–so that Christians could live in peace under Kings (who, if they knew Christianity's true nature, would hunt down Christians).
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The serious diseases on the Pharaoh-represent the destruction of the peace of his household-from sedition, from lack of harmony with the imperial cult, from disloyalty, from lack of trust (because Sarah was not wedded to Pharaoh), and both cucking the Pharaoh as well as Abraham.

>Put not your trust in princes: in the children of men, in whom there is no salvation.
– Psalm CXLV.2-3

Friedrich Nietzsche:
>Christian, again, is all deadly enmity to the rulers of the earth, to the "aristocratic"–along with a sort of secret rivalry with them (–one resigns one's "body" to them; one wants only one's "soul"…). And Christian is all hatred of the intellect, of pride, of courage, of freedom, of intellectual libertinage; Christian is all hatred of the senses, of joy in the senses, of joy in general…

Rousseau
>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.
The more I argue with Christians and leftists in general the more I realize that something is just fundamentally wrong with their brain. Either they're low-IQ or lack any sense of communal obligation (except to foreigners of course). I think the post-Civil War anti-white tyranny has selected genetically for people who hate themselves. It's going to take a lot of eugenics to fix our people, assuming it's even possible.

But I don't even bother arguing with people who insist Christianity is fine or the races are equal. Not only is it extremely insulting given all the sexual abuse my family has suffered at the hands of this religion, or the violence from niggers. But they're just stupid. It's a total waste of time to argue with a total waste of life. I don't think normies even have souls so who cares about making them feel bad? Unless you're trying to manipulate them of course. But they only listen to the media
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Abrahamism… Christianity & Islam… is bitterly opposed to what North Korea represents… it hates visible divinity, and seeks to kick off would-be Pharaohs as archstones of their peoples, so Christ himself or the God of Israel could adopt the people…
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Abrahamism is there to "suck the blood of the gentiles", milk 🥛🩸spiritually circumcise us
Isaiah 60:16
>Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob
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By "spiritually circumcize" peoples, that means to remove the visible divinity of their foreskins (the head of their nations), cut off to make it invisible head, and suck the blood–like jews do with circumcision, but our blood relationship with our own would-be archstone king.
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It's been transplanted to New Jerusalem... and the King of the Jews... making West people a bastard, adopted people... something Dugin cannot express, who hates the West for being "Atlantis" and not "New Jerusalem".
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When you realize all this, being "spiritually circumcized" and drinking Christ's blood... when you grasp the deeper meaning of drinking that blood and accepting Christ as King...
...It is repulsive...
...It makes you into a bastard child, a jealous adopted son...
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>>12828
When I look at the problem we're faced with in the West, it is summed in that we love our enemies 😍 and hate our own families. 😡
This self-hate & ascetic apathy of who we are (white guilt) & love of who we are not--was meant for the spread of Christianity, not keeping a nation.

>The more I argue with Christians and leftists in general the more I realize that something is just fundamentally wrong with their brain. 
Christians are spiritually circumcised--leftists really are like modern, secular Christians because they also just want to spread around the globe.

>I don't think normies even have souls so who cares about making them feel bad?
I'm sadly thinking people are like Machiavelli says they are, tbh anon.
They don't give a fuck.
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I'm not even esotericist enough to really entertain Pharaohism... but at the same time, the Biblical portrayal of the Pharaoh as a villain keeps reeling me back into loving to LARP as a Pharaoh.
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That is my love-hate relationship with Platoism & other metaphysicians.
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Love-hate that I still look into it, but also look into Fascism/Machiavellianism/Hobbesianism/Nietzsche to counter-balance it.
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I really dislike floaty esotericists who seem like they just speak gibberish. I might sound like a total hypocrite saying so (because I know I sound like an esoteric chud).
That's why I try to steer clear and far away from them. >_>
That and I feel like they're too eager to undermine visible divinity & royalty for the Pope's or Allah's sake, these Duginists & perennial traditionalists.
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>>12832
Pharoah and Nimrod almost come across as allegories for the Roman imperial cult. Deifying your ruler is actually based, provided he isn't an amoral bourgeois pedophile like Trump or Queer Starmer lol. The Jews hate strength and beauty because they hate reality itself, go figure
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>>12836
Julian the Apostate deserves our praise, tbh.
His work Against the Galileans is surprisingly still relevant today.
I wouldn't think ancients would be as conscious of race--maybe it is because Julian after converting to Christianity became familiar with what Jews as a people.

>"But from the beginning God cared only for the Jews"
>"And finally God sent unto them Jesus, but unto us no prophet"
>"For if he is the God of all of us alike, & the creator of all, why did he neglect us?"
- Julian the Apostate, Against the Galileans

Julian the Apostate's last battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-vL7kuDHI

Emperor Julian the Apostate's criticism of Christian miracles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsFml_xaKzU

Paganism in twelfth century Europe. European beliefs still extant prior to the Northern Crusades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2bb35w8dS0

The Tree of Thor. Destruction of the tree of Thor in Hesse, Germany by St. Boniface in 724CE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4lxsA9h4jM

The first Northern Crusade. The conquest and forced conversion of the pagan Wends.Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlMJNVhz3IU

The Wends under attack. The first Northern Crusade Part 2. Christian forces attack the pagan Wends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx3FkMEMtuA

Celsus and the biblical Genesis story. His critique of Bible creation mythology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQcRnHxCFDM

Celsus on whether man is God's special creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsgRfXxp9U

Celsus on the Christian heaven and hell. The 2nd century pagan critiques the extreme nature of hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ41WGdOLuw

Celsus on the Bible 'resurrection' stories and his critique of the crucifixion accounts
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The question I ask myself is how did Christianity spread to begin with...
Were the Emperors convinced grifting Christjews would benefit them? 
Were the people just persuaded their old gods were petty tyrants compared to Jesus? 
Did Christianity just appeal to the masses "slave morality" like Nietzscheans are saying?
Was it really by force or by persuasion that Christianity was imposed on people?
Was it that people were hooked on Platoism to begin with?
Did they groom kids and appeal to women of the household to later get the men?
Was it really just the Truth people were convinced of?
--I get the impression that Christianity had a mystique and foreign appeal that was intriguing to the outsiders early on... because in my experience I know a mysterious cult like that can be attractive for that reason.
The people must not had really been redpilled on jews as a people and completely oblivious. 
--Christianity also began to spread sometime after the Jews were being violently conquered and suppressed by the Romans. Christianity could have been a conspiracy to get revenge for that.
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In the last thread, I tried to track the spread of Christianity.
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How did Christianity spread?

Europe converted between 350 AD through 600 AD, primarily from the 390 AD - 500 AD for mainland Europe, then England by the 600s.

Early Christianity before Constantine
>From 180 AD through 300 AD, there is a noticeable uptick in Christians (although Pliny the Younger in 112 AD mentions them to Trajan & Tacitus mentions Nero's persecution in 64 AD, Christians became way more prevalent sometime around 180 AD - 300 AD).
>The Diocletian persecution would happen in 303 AD, but to no avail.
>311 AD, Galerius ends persecution with the Edict of Serdica.

Constantine & his dynasty
>Edict of Milan
>Constantine's reign is tolerant, but would prohibit animal sacrifices
>By around 350 AD, Christians begin to predominate
>Constantius II institutes anti-pagan policies:
>Death penalty for sacrifices and idolatry
>Closure and destruction of temples throughout the empire
>In 357 AD, Constantius II removes the Altar of Victory

Theodosius I
>Theodosius I reinforces what Constantius II started, effectively expunging paganism.
>Christianity becomes the state religion
>pagan temples throughout the empire would have funding removed and destroyed, like Henry VIII's dissolution of the monasteries
>Eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta is extinguished
>Theodosius I is renown as the emperor who killed paganism
>After Theodosius I, his sons, Honorius and Acadius, continue suppressing paganism

Justinian I wiped the last bastions of paganism in his reign in the 500s, expelling the Academy of Athens. Justinian I was the final nail in the coffin, but The Maniots would be the last Hellenes to convert centuries later.

Fall of the Roman Empire
>Arian Christians and Germanic tribes adopt Christianity
>Clovis converts in 496 AD, the culmination of Christianity in the West
>England by 597 AD to 680 AD converts, particularly between  625 AD to 642 AD.
>Boniface cuts Donar's Oak c. 723 AD
>Charlemagne conquers the Saxons and forcibly converts
>Northern Europe begins to convert around 900 AD - 1, 000 AD
>Northern Crusades ensue to convert the remnants of pagan Europe
>Lithuania is the last to convert
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TBH, animal sacrifice is somewhat unappealing--I imagine getting people to abandon animal sacrifice and bickering about sexual deviants conservatives do today might have appealed to people back then. Christians generally speaking make a show of Roman decadence. 
That is the biggest appeal to Christianity to me--no animal sacrifice--though that is a pretty modern reservation.
The non-Christian groups that were against it--the pythagoreans and buddhists.
Emperor Tenmu greatly restricted meat consumption until the Meiji period.
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>>12840
>The question I ask myself is how did Christianity spread to begin with...
Titus almost married the granddaughter of Herod. My guess is the Roman elites gradually Judaized and decided to throw their Greek pantheon out in favor of the mutt religion that is Christianity. Think of Josephus as a Ben Shapiro like figure. I.e. a "based" court Jew who convinced the Roman elites to do something that seemed good in the short term. But ended up deracinating the empire even worse than it already was in the long term. Charlemagne was Jewish as well.
>Did Christianity just appeal to the masses "slave morality" like Nietzscheans are saying?
Probably. Rome was full of dissatisfied foreigners who already worshiped alien gods like Isis. Even Plato talked about using Semitic myth as a noble lie to control the masses
>Christianity could have been a conspiracy to get revenge
Absolutely. It's a 2000 year plot to rebuild the temple and the craziest thing is it's about to come to fruition if Trump has his way
It's no coincidence that the unadmixed Germans and Scandinavians were mostly converted by force
Btw, Pete Hegseth has recently been getting flak for inviting a Protestant preacher who wants to ban public displays of Catholicism as "idolatry." Nothing new under the sun
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I agree. Christianity wasn't all bad but when your god is a Jew it's kind of hard to make that work with white nationalism or National Socialism. I think our way forward is syncretism that ends up settling into a new religion or religions. Not strict pagan reconstructionism because it did have some flaws. I think Hitler mentioned this in the table talks
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>>12833
>That and I feel like they're too eager to undermine visible divinity & royalty for the Pope's or Allah's sake, these Duginists & perennial traditionalists.
They can't into race, that's all there is to it.
>>12836
I don't think people are even capable of deifying anything anymore.
>>12840
Kikes corrupted the upper society with wealth and easiness of life with slaves. Misfits & Mutts became a massive demographic force in greater Rome's territories and beyond. The theological leftist that Christianity is, universalist and all encompassing, spread amongst them. The elitist and dying Roman creed couldn't resist. More and more leaders were sellouts, while those who could see failed to be powerful enough or act accordingly. We see the same in the Western world, history repeats itself. Once Christianity had devoured Rome, that alien cult had validity and prestige, and wealth. Outer kings failed to prevent Christianity from spreading on their own lands for all sorts of reasons. Northerners sort of resisted but treachery got them anyway. Rome had too much power and influence. Christianity also was a religion which at its core had an international appeal and aimed big. It made all other cults feel stupid for being local and not any better than any other cult, with competing gods. Christianity stood aloof, rejecting them all for their limited scope and blindness to the rest of the world. It was very aggressive in stating that all the others were wrong, it was a solid and brazen Frankfurtian critique of all other faiths and customs, jealous and intolerant.
>>12840
>Clovis converts in 496 AD, the culmination of Christianity in the West
His conversion is a myth, just like his baptism. None of his sons were baptized either.
It was pushed by a Christian zealot after the fact who was alone in making the wild claim. The Church needed this as a fact though, so the rest is history.
>>12843
>Charlemagne was Jewish as well.
Are you sure of that and not mixing him up with accusations thrown at William being a mamzer?
What we may explore is how many of the great names of history were backed by jewish money.
>>12843
> I think our way forward is syncretism that ends up settling into a new religion or religions. Not strict pagan reconstructionism because it did have some flaws. I think Hitler mentioned this in the table talks
There is no point returning to old gods unless we find those who can best be likened to the closest historical racial fathers from outer space or some pseudo theological shit like that. We need a racial religion but it can't be centered on nationalistic local gods from yesteryear, taken bluntly and revived as if nothing had happened in the meantime, like globalization.


Let's finish this by saying that the /monarch/ anon has a hard on for absolutism but makes a very poor case in defense of that type of regime. He likes the idea of one big manly man having all the precious powers and this can only be possible if the whole NPC crowd of the land suck on his balls through a cult of personality, so that no noble would dare dispute the monarch's status. The whole divinity thing is one big faggy wrapping sprinkled as a reinforcing buff all over the monarch's rule. In the end it's just one big manipulative game at managing plebes and morons.
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>>12844
>monarchy anon, you're just a faggot
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>>12847
IDK how Nimrod isn't the greatest king ever, being able to build a tower that reaches the heavens, the logistics and planning of that all probably requires a great mind and virtue, in fact Nimrod could be the greatest king of all time on Biblical accord, but simply failed to prove the incapacity of mortal man in general, not really to spurn Nimrod...
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The petty thing about Jews is they have some of their rival kings in their fake stories converting to Judaism like Nebuchadnezzar and acknowledging their god.
...They even have a story of Nero converting to Judaism:
>The Babylonian Talmud (Gittin 56a) contains a narrative stating that Emperor Nero converted to Judaism
>According to this tradition, Nero was sent to destroy Jerusalem but, realizing God intended to destroy the Temple through him and then punish him, he fled and converted to avoid becoming an instrument of divine wrath.

The same stories apply for Emperor Titus.
>According to the Babylonian Talmud (Gittin 56b-57a), Emperor Titus, after destroying the Second Temple and acting with extreme hubris, is plagued by God. A tiny gnat enters his nose, grows into a massive creature that eats his brain for seven years, ultimately killing him in agony, representing divine retribution
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>Titus entered the Holy of Holies with a prostitute, committed sexual acts on a Torah scroll, and slashed the Temple curtain, causing blood to flow as if he had slain God.
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>When Titus mocked God, declaring that He only has power over water, a heavenly voice retorted that a tiny gnat would wage war against him. A small creature entered his nose and grew inside his skull for seven years, biting his brain.
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>In a story, Titus (raised from the dead by Onkelos) advises that Jews are the most reputable nation in that world,
>The Talmud tells a story in which Onkelos (Titus’s nephew) wants to convert to Judaism but is afraid of Roman retaliation. He uses sorcery to summon the spirits of potential enemies, including Titus, to ask their advice
>Onkelos asks Titus: "Who is most important in that world [the next world]?"
>Titus responds: "Israel [the Jewish people]."
>Onkelos asks: "Should I attach myself to them?"
>Titus responds: "No! Their observances are burdensome. Better to fight against them and be a leader in the world, as it says, 'Those who oppressed them were on top.'"

Jews are that petty and psychotic--that them converting the gentiles to Christianity while still being nominally enemies of Christianity is plausible to me.
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I have a suspicion that Star Wars is thematically based off the Old Testament.
Darth Vader is the Pharaoh.
The Jedi are Moses and the Israelites. 
As well as WW2, Hitler, and the Stormtroopers.
(I'm not sure this topic is really relevant, but is it plausible to say Star Wars is a film with deep Abrahamic themes?)
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>>12853
It had propaganda-esque themes in it like some Empire military men having those helmets on that look kinda like a Japanese warrior's and or HItler's men's helmets. They fought with swords and practiced meditation and the Chinese and such belived you could use spirit energy to send objects flying and all, there  is that too. Darth Vador has no mortal father so that makes him literally Jesus, he has a Nippon look and not an Egyptian look. Some Empire men had English accents and that's due to the whole 'rebel means us fighting England' bit. 

They were all over the place with that gay shit, but no, there were no pharohs. They even burn their dead, that is not Egyptian at all but pagan, and so they also thus had paganism in it. 

Themes were all over. It's badly written really, just like Stargate is while Star Trek is properly written but it's left wing so it gets shat on anyway. 

https://people.howstuffworks.com/taoism-and-chi.htm

chi = the force  9_9

Due to Annakin becoming Darth Vador he's the antichrist as much as Jesus, but then Jews did not say Jesus was anybody at all, thus what even is that myth even about if you cross reference? False hope that some godlike human will related to you as the gods aren't enough like you to even care? Pathetic. Naturally, if a god is human he'll care about his woman mroe than anything else, so often they say jesus never had sex but also often they say there was a hooker. Kinda 'there is another' tier a theme on that, a jesus bloodline. 

Elvis is related to Oprah btw, tho they will say she's not her ancestors had the Presly name. mesopotamians did have last names so what is up with jesus not having a last name regardless of is first name? To hide the bloodline drama. If all these empowered people are from one another's families then there's a royal holy blood line they hid from you irl. Elvis also really liked his black singers, the women, and hung out in lots of gospel churches in his houth and had nigger lovin' themes in his music, so yeah, that's more important to think about than your  children's stories. If jesus were real there'd have been a last name. Muhammad and Jesus say much the same thing and they can't both be real, perhaps neither were. People wanting Elvis to be a king or Oprah to be the first female and or black president, etc, you can tell society's poeple get 'handled' a lot by an oligarchy. Trump's daughter is married to a jewish man btw. They could no afford in Star Trek Whoopi as she's rich and born from kike's, thus her last name is Goldberg, indeed it would be. The Clintons are related to Angelina Jolie. Shit like this goes on and on and is your real problem and it goes beyond kikery. 
>"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is related to comedienne and actress Amy Schumer, as they are first cousins, once removed. Additionally, former Rep. Mike Capuano's nephew is actor Chris Evans, known for his role as Captain America." Never ending. About people being handled, why do they want a daddy to spank them so hard anyway? Even Washington was asked to be a king. 

You are a peasant if not related to somebody. The dream that your child will have no surname, that would be pretty unrealistic. People with no fathers are simply bastards. Darth Vador was a bastard and acted like it.  Perhaps him not having a daddy is what would make jesus or Annakin so uppity? He was also a slave so that makes Quigon a failed Moses and later on you'd figure Darth Vador stopped the slavery. This makes Darth Vador the antichrist, Moses, and Jesus/Muhammad if you go over everything about them all.  

I realized all of this surname shit for the USA with how the oil companies got started here, that and the Rothchilds of course, banks. You might wanna watch the oiligarchy and then laugh at the xwing getting a petrol refill in the second film as that is what it looked like. You know it's like that already in England and other older nations, of which we tried to get away from, but Lincoln, a religious dictator name ABRAHAM, ruinned that. 

You will never see videos of fathers repreising their sons if the son ever is to become powerul. The people like to be abused by alphas. Did you ever see Bush Seior talk down to Bush Junjior? Trump talk down to Barron? Etc? You never see it and so it makes them seem like they have no father to short sighted goyim that eat that savior alpha bullshit up. I can't believe they faked an assasination attempt to make him seem like god was protecting him, Trump, that shit's ont he nose, but then again so is asking your first president to be a king after fighting England for freedom. Then what did Washington go and do? Make a liquor tax. On the nose. 

Why did the rebells even hate the Empire? Were taxes too high? They never even say what they are fighting for. The movies were gay.
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Fucked up spelling and my greentext but I don't really care. I'm just bored. 

You might wanna go watch The Oiligarchy on jewtube rather than Star Wars.
>>12848
>complains about slurs and posts cartoon girl pictures
You know I'm right.
>>12849
>rimrod was osom
I thought this was an anti-abrahamist thread.
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>>12853
Big Fat George, big friend with Spielberg, is a cucktian who dumped his former blonde fat chick for a fatter niggress while nearly at the peak of his wealth. When younger he proved to be a good world builder, but hos baby got thrown into the grinder of some typical anti-euro burgerism that quickly veered into another proxy WW2 demonization story with cartoonish ebil space nazis with bri'ish accents, lead by an asthmatic samourai and blasting planets for breakfast. The cool concept of monks with light swords is ruined by this shit. That's the problem of original ideas not being of the purest kind, or in other words, pop culture coming from the heart of the biggest and most jewed empire of all times.
>Old Testament
There is something about this that rings true if you see the end of the film like the plot about Hebes fleeing Pharaoh. They rebels go to a RED planet, followed by the Empire which appears on the other side and its army must cover the distance, before getting wrecked once it almost catches the rebels.
>>12856
>They even burn their dead, that is not Egyptian at all but pagan, and so they also thus had paganism in it. 
That's just Luke doing it and he wasn't a member of the Jedi Order. He didn't have the culture to do so since he was born on a hot sand desert planet with no trees at all. Across the entire franchise and its extensions, you have multiple cases of Jedi and Sith tombs.
>Star Trek is properly written but it's left wing so it gets shat on anyway.
When it wouldn't get political sometimes the show would shine, and cast choices aside, DS9 was sufficiently balanced. In fact, for a show with strong commie themes at times, DS9 was all heavy on spirituality. Written by a Freemason for all it's worth who then gave us the new Battlestar Galactica show, which overall was rather solid despite the few drops of boomer-tier melting pot society hitting the screen here and there.
>Naturally, if a god is human he'll care about his woman mroe than anything else, so often they say jesus never had sex but also often they say there was a hooker. Kinda 'there is another' tier a theme on that, a jesus bloodline.
That's a plot that some underground currents in Christianity like to entertain, relating it to Magdalene and the grail. A tad convoluted but it exists. But the Jesus figure is an amalgam of other previous stories that contributed to its universal appeal. Which, once brought back to the topic of this thread, is a point we shouldn't disregard. The next White religion has to be global and all encompassing in scope.
>The Clintons are related to Angelina Jolie. Shit like this goes on and on and is your real problem and it goes beyond kikery.
This. American politics are intricately tied to a small network of interconnected families. But all of them became more or less degenerate.
>Even Washington was asked to be a king.
Missed opportunity here, but it would have been shit anyway. That country never deserves a true royalty.
>Why did the rebells even hate the Empire? Were taxes too high? They never even say what they are fighting for. The movies were gay.
The first two movies are very shy about explaining anything. We automatically assume the rebels are the nice guys because the Jedi are cool and are on the side of the rebels, and the Empire is ludicrously evil. It has a weapon that kills a lot. They use it against a peaceful planet. Like nuking Dresden, even if big fat George probably didn't see it that way. Cool nerdy note for y'all: the movie's book had Tarkin and Vader know that princess pretzel was full of it since the "peaceful" planet was fully armed. If the movie had been done in Japan I think it would have been much more ambiguous, and it would have likely shown that the rebels had been cucked because they too had been working on their own superweapon like sand desert dwellers smuggling anthrax, using such non-discriminatory tools to even the odds against a more robust and organized old army. The Empire also has an Emperor, which is automatically evil in typical Flash Gordonesque fashion. The prequels may look like they went full libtard with muh democracy (at a galactic scale lol) but it's made clear that it was already corrupt and falling apart, for the same reasons observed today. The only cuckism here is that it suggests a restoration of the democracy could have been possible but it was hijacked by a massive unfair concentration of powers. These new three movies also made the Jedi appear crusty and outdated. The Jedi themselves look more like Shinsengumi troops while Anakin became a Ronin.
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>>12866
>just Luke
Yeah, and probably to negate a clone I suppose, though my headcanon imaged Yoda and or Obi teaching him 'behind the scenes'. that and in the newer flick the Siths have this line of "I am every sith" implying that their thoughts can be very psychic. Luke and Leah could hear one another's thoughts. 
They originally did it because 'fire pretty' I am sure. 

"...is the dark side stronger..."

Maybe only the dark ones have a sort of "The One" cheat code to life and the Jedi winning just made the fewer too overpowered. I think about that randomly. Yoda not answering is kinda a yes but also an obvious no, like he's got a secret, or is ashamed. He is in exile after all so maybe it was his stupid ass that threw things off balance in the first place. I wonder if they touch that in newer flicks? Maybe Yoda did not understand the meaning of balance? 

>ds9
I can't forgive Far Beyond the Stars. I dropped that shit years and years ago and with how much asspain it took to get that far I will probably never finish it. "I am a human being!" Yeah, and where is the fucken orb that you touched? What did I just watch? Gay nigger(s) from outer space. Niggers did not even have it that good to begin with back then, the shit was obnoxious. "Bro what if we write for the minority tho this will sell well!" That episode was just too much. If only he had not fallen over dramatically yelling that he is a human being after being so soft served his entire life I'd have kept watching but that shit was so fucking gay holy shit
>USA
We should have had 13 kings and 13 currencies. A president or General, a county sherrif, a mayor, etc, they're all treated like lords anyway but them uniting is some England tier tyranny and the USA was not supposed to want that.  With 13 competing economies no taxation would ever have happened with all those bank raping currencies. 
 
>Battlestar Galatica
I liked fine but I find it funny you used the word boomer that way considering the call sign of Boomer in the show
>>12860
Praising Bible villains is anti-abrahamic.
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I wonder, out of curiosity, what would it look like if Europe embraced east asian religions like buddhism or taoism? How would it be different from Christianity?
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>>12911
I could easily see it being just as bad. I've already seen Westerners interpret far eastern religions as utterly pacifist fatalistic systems.
Just as the negative interpretation of Christianity is
<Bad things happen because you deserve it, sinner
The negative interpretation of say, Buddhism, is
<Nothing earthly matters, so just let the bad things happen, man.
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>>12913
>I've already seen Westerners interpret far eastern religions as utterly pacifist fatalistic systems.
Savitri Devi had a few words regarding the modern hindoo and his relationship with the philosophy he inherited.
As for those "Westners" doing the interpretation, it's the usual suspects again. There's even a special word for those: JewBu. See Andrew Joyce's old article:
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/02/29/jewish-crypsis-in-american-buddhism/
>>12876
The fuck is this garbage? What is it trying to say?
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>>12982
>If you don't hate your entire family you're not a real Christian.
Christianity is interesting to me.
It has some good parts, like the sacrificial hero theme, some interesting proposals for conflict resolution, and truth seeking.
But then it comes with all the abrahamic baggage, The old and new testaments cannot be reconciled I figure it was a forced fusing with aryan philosophy that made it tempting enough to not be rejected on sight.

The old testament was orioginally just a tribal history of the dealings with one somewhat junior god/elohim/theoi/whatever the local term is but after the elohim left the priests wanted to maintain their power so edited the book into some corrupted single supreme being shit.
It's not even fair to call it abrahamism, since abraham was just the same as many men assigned an elohim to contract in their local territorial area.
Of course later what was left of the jews formed rabbinical judaism in opposition to christianity because too many jews switched camp so they no longer had to live under the pharisees then it spent over a thousand years seething about christians while living as a parasitic under class that acted as a convenient sword for the background powers to use against populations eventually it spawned more junk like islam, and freemasonry.

It's clearly damaging especially in its unchecked current form. 
How do you take the good elements for christianity and dump the rest?
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Greatest features of Christianity are absolution from responsibility over things you do not control, absolute responsibility over things you do control and codified structure together with trained specialists to help discern the difference.
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>>12996
>good elements
>greatest features
Anons, this is Anti-Abrahamism general, not praise Christianity and post-Liberal Christianity conservation project.
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>>12996
Even those "good things" are poisoned and come with a truckload of semitic baggage that has engineered our racial suicide for hundreds of generations. Just dump the whole thing in the incinerator where it belongs.
>>13002
Weak argument.
Acknowledge your enemy's strengths or you will lose.
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>>13005
>we need to love and appreciate our enemise
There you go again.
The chief virtue of Christianity is spreading from host to host, ditching sacrificing old hosts to appeal to greater audiences. 
Yet its chief virtue is why it is opposed to domestic life--Christianity fails at cultivating domestic life, that is why we have a problem.
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>"A nation that still believes in itself holds fast to its own god."

>"Jahveh, the god of “justice”—he is in accord with Israel no more, he no longer vizualizes the national egoism; he is now a god only conditionally.... The public notion of this god now becomes merely a  weapon in the hands of clerical agitators."

>"Formerly he represented a people, the strength of a people, everything aggressive and thirsty for power in the soul of a people; now he is simply the good god...."

>"The truth is that there is no other alternative for gods: either they are the will to power—in which case they are national gods—or incapacity for power—in which case they have to be good...."
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Thomas Hobbes' appeal to civic religion:
>Or else there must needs follow Faction, and Civil war in the Commonwealth, between the Church and State; between Spiritualists, and Temporalists; between the Sword Of Justice, and the Shield Of Faith; and (which is more) in every Christian mans own breast, between the Christian, and the Man. The Doctors of the Church, are called Pastors; so also are Civil Sovereigns: But if Pastors be not subordinate one to another, so as that there may bee one chief Pastor, men will be taught contrary Doctrines, whereof both may be, and one must be false. Who that one chief Pastor is, according to the law of Nature, hath been already shewn; namely, that it is the Civil Sovereign;

An acolyte of Leo Strauss told me about Hobbes before,
>As Voeglin puts it, this desire in Hobbes amounts to wanting to "disinvent" both philosophy and Christianity, and go back to a unitary politically dominated world like the near eastern empires. With no pesky individual-with-the-truth rebelliousness to disturb it. Slavish.
>He disagrees violently with both (Plato/Aristotle), in fact. The only ancient he actually likes is Thucydides. (Though as mentioned he learned much from Aristotle's book "Rhetoric"). Among moderns, Machiavelli. He wants to crush the pride that the ancients saw as "greatness of soul".
>>13014
Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
There are parts that developed under christianity, are objectively good and worth keeping.
The problem is that all abrahamic religions are invasive and warp the human mind into following artificial ideologies.


As I said earlier, yahweh was just an elohim, he was the same type of being as was asigned to human populations worldwide under various names.
The contracts with tribal leaders such as Abraham contracts were common.
The problem with the "abrahamic" religions is that the priests behind it rewrote their history book as a theology book and their tribal god as the grand supreme.
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>>13020
>As I said earlier, yahweh was just an elohim
That's part of the problem with how we adopted Christianity, like today: we take Yahweh of the picture as the Jews' tribal god and as the archstone of the Jewish religion.

>There are parts that developed under christianity, are objectively good and worth keeping.
Yeah, no, I see no need to praise.
We already mentioned areas about Christianity that were acknowledged (like animal sacrifice and its intolerance and its capacity to spread like a virus).
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>>13021
Okay I clearly can't get through to you so I think I'm just going to give up.
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>>13022
You focus more on yahweh as just another god rather than being the jewish god.
Christians fall for yahweh the same way: they de-personalize their notion of god and sometimes even jesus himself and think of him more like a deist. 
That is another problem with trying to see the same truth in all religions. We just jump over like a hoop the particulars qualities that  on a pretense of their truth altogether.
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The thing that both Christians and Muslims won’t accept is that their anti-jewishness is invalid as long as they sanctify Jewish characters such as Jacob, Joseph, Solomon, David, Moses, Aaron, Jonah, Zechariah and john the baptist (or yahya) etc.
Anti-semitism is valid from a nationalist perspective, but from a religious perspective is going to be a nonsensical pilpul to justify antisemitism but not in a way that demolishes their religions, so they come up with conspiracy theories bullshit such “jews are khazars” and others, anything just to deny that modern jews are the same as ancient jews.
>>13023
The christian god isn't yahweh.
One of the oldest controversies comes from the old testament being artificaially welded onto the new testament  they are completey incompatible the 2000 year (disputed timeline) history has been founded on trying to force connections between them that don't even exist like the whole satan/lucifer thing.
They literally invented/edited books trying to create connections or autistically back referenceing. you could combine the original new testament with plato and it would make more sense. Look at the marcionites and the judaiser controversies. The marcionites literally only have a new testament with like 20 books and no old testament.
Everything gets buried in shit to weaken the original message some modern bibles now have 66 books for christ's sake.

These ideologies are used as weapons they might start as some good idea but someone corrupts them for financial gain. look what happened to hypatia at the library of alexander.
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>>13028
>The christian god isn't yahweh.
Even if we tossed out all the connection to the Jews and Yahweh, Christianity, the Church, and the fake & gay dynastic patriotism of Christ the King is incompatible with the agenda of race/nationalism.
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It would be generous to say that Christianity is merely incompatible and is only a neutral religion, but it is far worse: it is proactively against the agenda here. It is against the domestic life of the nation, is against race & against nativism, and against rooting out Jewish influence.
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If anons took Christianity for what it really is and its worth here, no beer goggles--it is far worse than even civnat--people only make an exception for it because of cultural relevance, but take away its cultural relevance, its familiarity with people, and dispassionately look at it: Christians are worthy of being called enemies.
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So syncretism is off the table. Yes, there are a few customs Christianity has worth keeping and notable pagan heritage, but it's sugar mixed with poison altogether if we try to preserve the Christian heritage. 
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Let the Cathedrals and all cultural artifacts of Christianity be destroyed.
The history, the buildings and monuments, the cultural artifacts should be uprooted, desecrated, pillaged, and demolished worse than the strongest wave of iconoclasm and worse than even the militant atheist communists tried to eradicate it.
It is like keeping a malevolent cultural parasite and spiritual poison that only cares to dwindle away its host and destroy our own nativism to -begin- with.
A parasite that continues to fester, give us an identity crisis, and suck the milk of the gentiles to this day--and continues to uproot, desecrate, pillage, and demolish--utterly eradicate--all nativism is comes in contact with like right now it is attempting to do in East Asia, Japan and Korea.
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The philosophy is not worth keeping or honoring, and besides you say it is fairly commonplace anyways and all cultures in the world have it in its own unique way. It is not worth keeping, not worth honoring, for what it does.
I hope Protestantism continues to dwindle, divide, and confound the churches...
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I'd personally wish for the kind of Liberal, French Revolutionary cultural reconstruction or even a militant atheist Communist takeover that Christians fear, if it meant that such a regime finally expunged and threw underground Christianity and destroyed every visible trace they could find. They'd be doing us a long-term service in that, in spite of any short-term pains of living under such a regime.
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At the very least I'd hope to stop Christianity from its violent goal of uprooting and destroy anymore nativisms it comes across, again, like it wants to do with East Asia.
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Honestly, I'd rather deal with the most libertine excess of LGBT than Christjewry.
In my eyes, the Christjew is far more corrupt and delusional thinking he is a truer jew than jews themselves.
Watching people honor the Jews as such worthy ancestors and LARPing as true jews is far worse spiritual poison to me than even trannies and the most militant progressive goyslop.
I'm more concerned for the mental well being of the Christian and his own identity crisis.
That is how low my estimation of Christians is.
So if we're thinking about preserving Christianity because we think it better for combating muh LGBT & sexual deviancy, I think being a Christian is worse than being the most sexually libertine, dildo-riding tranny faggot.
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Completely serious, 100% no joke.
Which is more degrading spiritually, mentally, physically, overall morally?
I'm in a room faced with--
The Christian identity christjew wearing a bucket on his head crusader larping (thinks he's the real jew) OR the dildo holding lgbtqia+ queer guy who sucks dick and takes it up the ass? (also thinks he's a real woman).
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I'd say the Christian Identity Christjew is degrading himself and is so dishonorable--thinking he's the real jew, choosing the king of the jews over any other king, praising the Jewish tribal god, thinking the Old Testament jews were the most worthy ancestors ever over all of his own ancestors, --that man is degrading himself more spiritually, mentally, physically--than the LGBTQIA+ poz dildo-holding hedonistic queer.
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Given all we know about who the jews are and what they're doing to us and that we've been worshipping their god and a reject hobo jew zombie king and considering their ancestors more worthy and enlightened than our own--that is the case, that is more humiliating, that is more degrading, that is a grosser dishonor, that is a bigger insult to the reality of who you are than a tranny who cuts his own dick off, denies having a posterity with children, thinks life is meaningless, and does hedonistic things with dildos and takes it up the ass.
Being a christjew is more humiliating and really a greater shame.
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Sure, the Christjew sees no fault with any notion of humiliation... because the Christjew makes a melodramatic pretense that in being a Christjew he does it for capital T the Trooth™ and that little caveat that he worships a hobo zombie jew king and has demolished all his ancestral possessions, heritage, named his sons after old testament jews, and built numerous palaces in honor of this zombie jew hobo king and built a completely revolutionary new identity upon it and all the humiliation and degradation counts for something because the Old Testament Jews' story, the Bible and its story of Creation, and all the miracles are without a doubt to him 100% the hand-on-heart, unmitigated Trooth™ he will die to defend... which Trooth makes all the humiliation worthwhile because -he- will be laughing up with his treasures in heaven, spiritually circumcised and of the TROO ISRAEL INHERITANCE while the unwashed pagan masses burn in hell of their ignorance of the Trooth™ and so on.
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Remember, all this humilation, and the worship of their dead zombie jew hobo king in rags is worth it, and all the innumerable palaces built in his honor are worth it, and the total erase of nativism is worth it, and any extent of humiliation and degradation and desecration of all things is worth it, primarily because christjews have been convinced that this jewish messiah who has been prophesied to conquer and enslave and make all the gentiles fools -- that Jesus is the life, the Trooth™ which all cultures must bow down to and eradicate everything to make a new world order and bring all the world under a multicultural CHURCH for... is one hell of a cult of personality they have been psyop'd into and a carrot on a stick.
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I don't want your Trooth™ even if in rejecting it I am partaking in the mother of all falsehood. I think the mission of Christjew family cosmopolitianism is not making a new world of the next a paradise for all to have brotherhood and fraternity--rather its own Hell the Christjews have sought to make of, in discarding the old world for their mission to make a new world in its place, and burn Rome for New Jerusalem's foundation, so that all races can be under one jewish messiah king in the next life they seek to create over the ruins of this earth, so they think they have the prescription of a new Christjew civilization, the New Jewrusalem, on which they will destroy Atlantis and all civilizations, to make the Christjew family CHURCH the new civilization, the new family, with one christjew king. 
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--How is that not worse than even the internationalist aims of the communists? that's far worse than even civnat, at least you have some civnat pretenses that seeks to preserve its heritage and posterity, and the general public good... this is just jewish messiah world takeover and like the communist pipedream people ridicule wants to create a new world civilization the exact same, but honestly seems worse than even worldwide communism of the Internationale being sung since at the behest of it we're all drinking the blood of the jewish king, -their- blood covenant, and having all our milk (nativism) sucked away, our lives, our souls, for this new soul in exchange (which, of course, in the christjew brain means the most sincere integral soul is this union with the jewish messiah, since being a real jew this is the way to be a real person and not unwashed gentile goycattle heathens, etc).
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The "virtues" of Christianity are that
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#1. It appeals to the weak and disgruntled masses.

#2. It appeals to a kind of decadent lust in Western man to be free in its stoicism and acetic sense--to be no strings attached--even the strings that are most integral to himself as a person where he is situated.

Because besides the disgruntled masses that Christianity sought to appeal to, most salient of all are the flocks of anons in the self-help community, who browse Jewtube and watch Jordan Peterson and look for guidance, these people are the perfect sheeple Christianity is looking for because they will sell everything and throw society, heritage, and culture under the bus for a minor self-esteem boost and waxy soap opera illusions of fighting for a greater cause which makes them in turn better people.
...Even if it means selling their soul (their old self) in exchange for a new soul (the JEWISH soul) which gives him the biggest, chosenite, self-esteem boost of all in being a true Christjew and having a true family... over his own private society and family and overall identity... because the sick part is those who hate themselves and hate their people and hate their life love to make a pretense that they are married to the Trooth and wish to be freed of their old selves are all the more quicker to adopt a new identity and new self which the Christjew formula offers, even if that means being a true jew with the true jew king, the surest self and identity they've been convinced of, in disgrace and hatred of their nativism and their culture and their pagan gods and their old masters they spiritually wanted to be freed from--no strings attached--in a kind of scorch earth ascetism that kills a city far more than the worst of hedonism.
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>>12693
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Why does that Yossef jew look like the latest Iranian leader? Or more precisely, why do I feel like we've been shafted since the days of the removal of Mossaddegh?
>inb4 mossad-degh edgelording
>>13038
>It appeals to a kind of decadent lust in Western man to be free in its stoicism and acetic sense--to be no strings attached--even the strings that are most integral to himself as a person where he is situated.
AKA fleeing from responsibilities and lowering one's internal, mental and cultural barriers as in-group shared virtue signaling. Pure liberal/leftist mentality.
>>12873
No, it still makes you dependent on Abrahamism for validation, you're stuck in the false game for the same reason that Satanists must first accept the Bible as true, or at least depicting true facts in a perhaps warped way where God's team is doing everything right and is superior in every possible Mary Sueish way. Propaganda from God's side in other words. Satanists cannot exist outside of the Bible's canvas.
There is only one way to get out of this trap, it's through the old "heathen" Gods.
>>12876
Can't read the text moron. Did you make it and send it to your mom?
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>The Christian identity christjew wearing a bucket on his head crusader larping (thinks he's the real jew) OR the dildo holding lgbtqia+ queer guy who sucks dick and takes it up the ass? (also thinks he's a real woman).
In the ovens, all of them.
Purity is in totality, not in increments (or excrements, in this case).
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Christians = Christjews
The Church = Christjew Family
Cathedral = TRUE CHRISTJEW CITY/Home
Christ the King = Changeling Christjew King
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Christjews don't see themselves as Romans, but as Christjews.
They don't belong to any family/nation but Christjew Family of The Church.
They don't belong to the City of Rome or house, but to the City of New Jerusalem, and build Cathedrals to mock their old cities as their true cities in honor of their true king. The Cathedral is the New Jewrsalem--in the Christjew brain, the West & all the world must -be- New Jewsalem.
Christ the King is their only god and king.
No fellowship with others outside of Christjewry, no fellowship with anyone outside the Church, no fellowship with the City of Rome (The World--EGYPT, Babylon Captivity), no City but New Jerusalem, no fellowship with any king or leader (PHARAOH/NERO) but King Jesus (Jewish messiah/head of Christjew family, blood of all Christjews they suck for substance, for real meaning, real belonging, a real family, a real father, a real dynastic patriotism, only the blood of circumcised hearts (spear stab wound) will make them real christjews in their new family, the christjew family).
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CHRISTJEW URGE, innermost thoughts of Christjew SOUL:
>Must kill self and break pagan idols... must make others... into Christjews too... drink the Christjew blood... become Christjew like me... drink blood, join Christjew Family... Christjew blood... The Trooth™...spread trooth, spread christjew blood, serve jewish god...  join my Christjew family... drink christjew blood... join christjew family... most spread at all costs to preserve trooth of a jewish god... even if i die... spread christjew blood, serve christjew king... hate ancestors, spread christjew blood... serve christjew king.
*writhes and screeches in self-hatred agony*
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(This everyone--is the kind of subhuman you become when hooked on Christjew blood, and that is why it is a worse fate spiritually, mentally, physically than being LGBTQ faggot, because these innermost thoughts of the subhuman called a Christjew is their innermost longing and soul).
(I only type like a schizo to speak to the schizo christjews, so they'll understand their true nature).
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Just beware of christjews, anons... don't become one of those -things-.
With such a stance about being the real jews, it's odd that a guy like Fuentes would stand against Trump's war against Iran for the sake of Israel. Or maybe he does it exactly from the point of view of a true universalist who opposes Zionism, which would then havin him openly call voting for democrats against Trump. Fuentes is a lunatic, he's kiked and he sends child fondler vibes.
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One of the delusions that most of the “right wing” space believes is that europe could be saved from islamic expansion by “returning to Christianity”. The question is not if it’s able, the question is does christianity views islam as an existential threat to begin with? From a nationalist perspective, yeah it’s a threat, because converting to islam means you’re conceding big part of your culture and heritage to make way for a different culture and heritage to take over it. From a Christian perspective?, it is not that important. There’s no such priority for the Christian individual to fight for his own lands and his people, nor there’s an equivalent to “jihad” where the Christians must defend their “christendom”, the most priority for a Christian to do is to pray for his jesus and that’s it, everything else outside of their church is less or not important than their original task. In fact, most Christians prefer if islam takes over europe if it means they can practice their religion in peace (as long as they pay jizya of course), Byzantine empire is a prime example for this, they’ve lost a lot of their territories to the muslims, they had the abilities and chances for take back what they’ve lost, even if they took some assistance from other European armies or with the mongols (back when the Islamic world was on it’s weakest period), but they did nothing, and instead they kept paying jizya to the muslims until their pathetic defeat by the hands of the turks.
>>13030
People wed themselves to ideas not because of the intrinsic value of the ideas themselves but the social benefit they feel derives from these organisations promoting these ideas.
In this case what was once the state church or rome or constantinople.
Churches serve as organisers and social good providers.

People mistake that for the church but you could provide these social goods through other means.

Maybe it's better to see it as a poison pill of judaic sunversion that comes along with these social goods.
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>>13061
That is what I'm saying, but first
The view is disingenuous because society itself is immensely valuable and an archstone where values flourish, in the same way they make these ideas depend upon god, so too does it all depend upon the fruition of their political commonweal... the conservatives tend to separate the political benefit from the ideas, that is the problem, and that is why the immanentism of Fascism was needed.
The other problem is the conservatives are misguided to think Domestic Christianity works--like all the other quotes in this thread from Machiavelli, Hobbes, Rousseau, Nietzsche, etc.
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Church for a lot of people is a lifestyle and a fanclub. TBH, in a way it was meant to be like that, but Christianity altogether isn't sociable.
>>13062
You ever seen these?
https://odysee.com/@naturallawinstitute:c/the-cause-and-cure-of-the-crisis-of-our:9
https://odysee.com/@naturallawinstitute:c/abrahamism-method-of-deceit-curt:8

Doolittle presents some interesting ideas about what he calls the pathological feminine which all abrahamic religions embody.
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>>13064
I'll say that I'm not satisfied with his analysis and think he has warped ideas on a few things but the general message is fascinating.
>>13064
I'll watch in a bit.
>>13061
>Churches serve as organisers and social good providers.
With the added force that these boons seemed legitimate and validated from the power that be, from above. Anything that is secular, detached from the divine is a lesser form of all of this, so you cannot have a real society by cutting the rope that ties you to the divine. But there is no point denying that it's all very materialist, even if wrapped in theology, because the universe has its laws and it's all very mechanical. So at some point you would claim that this entire clockwork is divine, and if you don't you're just an atheist, and then you can keep going deeper there and start injecting what some would call superstitions, that may or may not be mislabeled natural phenomena that only a few can understand or sense. Others will need to have some kind of daddies and mommies in the sky and will keep pushing, and perhaps argue that if they believe in them they become real. Regardless of this, it really is necessary to bring people under social structures that definitely feel tied to the greater forces of the universe.
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>>13088
See here's something to consider, demons exist, like they literally exist 
They are beings that parasitise our emotions and bodies.
For whatever reason there are biblical verses such as psalm 23 which seem be injurious or restrictive to these beings. (These demons are not the same as the whole satan/lucifer crap.)
The catholic church performed exorcisms which actually removed or restricted these things, reportedly recent editions of their exorcism books no longer function as well as the old forms.

Now what we call the satanic elites literally worship and offer sacrifices to these beings. they have achieved their positions through subverting the power structures that restrained these beings, we engage in interdimensional warfare.

Things like psychic powers that interact the mind and body with the world witout direct contact are real, reincarnation or at least the capacity to recall the memories and personalitues of people who previously existed is also quite real.

It's simply not possible to be an atheist if you interact with reality and don't ignore the murky spiritual side.
The whole thing's a mess and I am not qualified to to make any pronouncements of what should come from it or what you replace christianity with but christianity picked these things up from older structures and implemented them because they work.
You need spiritual protection, materialism just doesn't work it's too isolated.
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>>13096
faggoy
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>>13100
For believing in a form of reincarnation?
KMac's journal has a new publication, from an author that is nowhere near as profliic a writer as KMac himself, Tobias Langdon or "Joyce":

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2026/04/05/christianity-as-a-jewish-evolutionary-strategy/

On the role of Christianity as a Jewish Group Evolutionary Strategy (and a bit on GES in general).
>>13096
>See here's something to consider, demons exist, like they literally exist 
You start pretty well
>Things like psychic powers that interact the mind and body with the world witout direct contact are real, reincarnation or at least the capacity to recall the memories and personalitues of people who previously existed is also quite real.
But immediately go into lala land afterwards.

May I suggest reading Rene Guenon's "apocalyptic" works? Reign of Quantity and Signs of the Times, in particular. It does touch on how atheism is used by "counter-initiation" (jews and people who think and act like jews even if they should know better - they do know better) to alienate Man from God. Guenon uses the parable of the city on a hill, which you're likely familiar with. A city is surrounded by a wall, protecting it from influences below - infernal ones - but open to the sky. Atheists have constructed a dome, that covers the city from the sky, but still, for a time, shields it from the infernal attacks below. And the next step is to move from mere atheism to all varieties of supersition and occultism - which is precisely what you engage with - that weakens the structural integrity of the dome, allowing only infernal influences, until the whole edifice comes crashing down and the city is no more.
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>>13146
>But immediately go into lala land afterwards.
No, I do not.
You should go take a look at Ian Stevenson or Jim Tucker's work on children who seem to recall previous lives.
I do not talk of fantasy or superstition, I hold these positions because I found seemingly credible evidence to support them.
Dispose of the abrahamic narrow mindedness that denies reincarnation or something like it.

The psychic powers are a little bit harder to get your head around but there's still good evidence for them like dogs who can tell when their owner is coming home, predicting what an image looks like, or detecting when people are looking at your back,  before you even get deep into Ingo Swann levels of reading sealed documents on the other sie of the world, and finding missing persons in jungle.
There's a probability curve to these things.
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>>13147
Say that Israeli people are swine or you're a jew. You can use Hebrew if that's your preferred language.
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>>13148
>u r a yid
Oh it's far, far worse than that I'm a bong.
I think the talmud and quran should be made with pig skin covers. :D
>inb4 post beef
India and its diaspora should be forcibly sterilised. The greatest mistake the british ever made was trying to civilise them.

Ian Stevenson was english, Jim Tucker is I think either american or canadian. I strongly recommend you read their work.
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>>13146
His works are somehow valuable for the sake of expanding your knowledge about the less public side of religious philosophies and exotic currents, but only if considered imperfect because their author was one big spiritual and racial cuck. For all his talks about dark forces he surely didn't seem to realize that they had him too. There's just that far you can go when praising a synthesis of sandniggerism and pajeetism and hiding in excuses about muh esotericism when the exoteric form literally destroys the people you belong(ed) to: this should be one, big, neon-bright, warning signal.

TL;DR
He went into non-white religious shit and couldn't into race at all.

>>13147
>You should go take a look at Ian Stevenson or Jim Tucker's work on children who seem to recall previous lives.
These are useful studies. More like them should be done.
>Ingo Swann levels of reading sealed documents on the other side of the world, and finding missing persons in jungle.
What's about them? Have scientific and reproducible methods been used for those?
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>>13151
Swann was part of the I think if I remember right CIA psi research studies, they reported that some parts had a higher replicability than asprin such as remote viewing.

There are a lot of fields like this that deserve greater study but are instead denied, ridiculed or you get only a warped version promoted as truth.
There's Sheldrake's biomorphic field stuff too for the precogniscent dogs. 

Just watch out for the new ager pseudo jeetbabble type, they infest this field like a plague.
>>13155
>Just watch out for the new ager pseudo jeetbabble type, they infest this field like a plague.
Probably because there's not much of a field to begin with. But they're pretty common in the normiesphere too, they're just a bit more elaborate about hiding their efforts. All that "positive thinking" people unfortunate enough to be around corporate slickers or more "open-minded" Christ-cucks would have heard about is in the end purest jeetbabble.
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How can we compensate 2000 years of lost European heritage? If it wasn’t for Christianity the Europeans would have developed different cultures,  philosophy, religious beliefs, alphabet, and even architecture. Christianity just came in and forced specific(mostly greco-latin) culture, architecture, alphabet etc… onto other European peoples, which is unfair to me for not letting them develop their own identity.
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>>13163
I got the message about jeets when I found some american christian missionaries (low bar but they were passionate) in india talking the reality there of dealing with demon possed stinking jeet gurus who think they're god and the universe owes them everything.
Jeet gurus running drug cartels bankrolling big bollywood productions selling themselves as superhuman man gods and literally at war with the indian states.
And reading about the British forces fighting against the thuggee.
If you go back to the actual raw sanskrit vedic stuff it's not bad but the syncreticism with native beliefs and predispositions made it worthless not to mention whatever the rothschilds psyoped there in the 19th century.


>>13164
It's not that long according to fomenko and heinsohn. europe got steamrolled by some environmental catastrophe in what we'd call the 10th century but the time before that is all sorts of fucked up with entire centuries duplicated for convenience sake. one theory suggests it's more like 2000 years since the founding of rome
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>If you go back to the actual raw sanskrit vedic stuff it's not bad
The Vedic culture is the culture of Aryan conquerors, who have long gone extinct. I don't think jeets ever understood it. They were slaves who eventually outbred the masters, they didn't need to know anything about the masters' philosophy or religion.
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>>13155
These topics are truly fascinating and I'm aware of the long range remote viewing going to Mars and into the past but I cannot trust the CIA like that. They can be motivated to plant outrageously stupid material to discredit people. Cue the entire UFO craze. There is also so much noise around more rational topics. The psychic domain of possibilities can scoop as low as the infamous law of attraction. I have no wish to sound liberal here but that's wishful thinking from Westerners who have it well enough. There are millions and millions of people who naturally train every day to wish they had money or even food and they don't seem to get much of it.
>>13180
Fact is, they religious material kept getting more and more altered and going into fantasy concepts the more street shitters went up the caste ladder. The Rig Veda isn't very religious at all in comparison to the later Vedic books, which are somehow still ok, but beyond that it really turns out to be mediocre.
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Jesus, as a Jewish soul seeking to usurp and supplant over the archstones of peoples, as their King and King of Kings, adopts the look of the people as a would-be archstone and conforms to their race as an imposter king--for king is kin, like Aristotle says.
Aristotle:
>The rule of a father over his children is royal, for he rules by virtue both of love and respect due to age, exercising a kind of royal power. And therefore Homer has appropriately called Zeus 'father of Gods and men,' because he is the king of them all. For a king is the natural superior of his subjects, but he should be of the same kin or kind with them.

That is ultimately the problem with Jesus... Jesus is -not- the same kin or kind with them. Jesus is an imposter king. A parasite that has hijacked the souls of peoples as their king and would be king of kings. Jesus wants to convert them all into a Jewish soul and graft them all as kindred peoples into the Tree of Abraham and make them live for New Jerusalem's sake.
Jesus will always be the King of the Jews, no matter how much the Jews reject him.

>“JESUS WASN’T WHITE!”

>Duh.

>He also wasn’t Chinese, Indian, or Armenian. But those communities still make Jesus look like them.

>Christians around the world have ALWAYS depicted Jesus to mirror their own communities.

>Jesus IS mankind. All of mankind. The entire point is that Jesus lives in and represents all of us. 

>White Jesus isn’t some reflection of an outmoded Eurocentric view. It isn’t a case of “whitewashing”.

>Since the 2nd century, societies have been moulding Jesus’ image to reflect their own. The ancient Romans made him beardless and dressed him in the clothing of a Roman rustic, to represent his eternal youth.

>Egyptians in the 6th century depicted Jesus with a long beard and distinctively Semitic facial features — the strong nose, the dark hair, the olive skin.

>Early Ethiopian carvings show a dark-skinned Jesus with Afro-textured hair and dressed often in a tribal-printed loincloth.

>Armenians in the 14th century favoured a traditional “father figure” — a stockily built man with bushy eyebrows, eye bags, and a considerably aged face.

>We live in the West. In a society grounded in European culture and heritage. Of course, Jesus was depicted in the image of European people. That doesn’t make it “racist” or “ahistorical”.

>It is a reflection of the theology behind His existence. He is all of us. He looks like all of us. Until recently, his “historically accurate” appearance has been immaterial around the world.

>Only now are we constraining centuries old religious practices to the modern social construct of “racism”.

>Jesus is God made Flesh.
>Black, white, and brown.

>He is all of us.

That is why I think it is pozzed when Christians make a pretense of rejecting a royal family--like the Windsors--no matter how multiculturalist and NWO they are, they're -supposed- to be that ideal of being the King of their own People... Christianity in the first place is responsible for shaking that up and perverting this to begin with, by transferring blood relationship to the spiritually circumcised blood of Jesus. As bad as King Charles III is, when Christians say, "Only Christ is my King" that's just rejecting the King of your own people for the King of the Jews--no matter how bad and unkingly that King of your own People is, that doesn't make the King of the Jews better, but it's because Christians are like jealous adopted sons, a bastard people that with a passion that succeeds the more bastardly and in an orphan-like state that a people are in as lost souls... so it is in Christianity's chief interest that people become orphans and bastard people and social outcasts without an identity and without a civil soul... just so they more passionately cling unto becoming adoptees in another kingdom... with another king... of the jews...

I'm not defending King Charles III, who IMHO fails at being a king and was never really a king to begin with, but what King Charles III is -supposed- to represent--the King of the British--as juxtaposd to Jesus, the King of the Jews, makes rejecting him for Jesus infinitely more pozzed (no matter how pozzed King Charles III himself is), but Christians were willing to do that as well with their own ancestral gods to begin with--because that means nothing to them, so especially with kings (unless they convert to Christianity, duh, and enforce it).
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I also have to agree with Nietzsche, at least when this sentiment comes to Christians--they always lambast about duties and Charles III not upholding their Church enough.
But their Church preaches being a eunuch king "slave of all" and hating one's family and loving one's family.

>"The age of the kings is past, because their subjects are no longer worthy of them: they do not want to see their king embodiment of their ideal, but rather as an instrument for their benefit."
- Nietzsche

That is a sentiment I low-key agree with and kind of sums up partially what is so bad about constitutional monarchism to me--how it rejects the Alexandrian Model of Alexander the Great and prefers a eunuch king castrated--it is the same for as Nietzsche says of national gods and how nation that still honors itself keeps to its own gods.
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Deep down, I see that as the primary difference between those style of royalisms and how it is offensive to some people and honorable to others when you have a dynasty like the Kims (who for the North Koreans--represents their strength and their honor--which is something most Westerners couldn't grasp or understand, always viewing a king's soul/cult of personality as their dishonor or Cronus' tyranny gulping them down and so reject a preeminent king and the Alexandrian Model of a preeminent king).

'Nietzsche:'
>"A nation that still believes in itself holds fast to its own god."

>"Jahveh, the god of “justice”—he is in accord with Israel no more, he no longer vizualizes the national egoism; he is now a god only conditionally…. The public notion of this god now becomes merely a  weapon in the hands of clerical agitators."

>"Formerly he represented a people, the strength of a people, everything aggressive and thirsty for power in the soul of a people; now he is simply the good god…."

>"The truth is that there is no other alternative for gods: either they are the will to power—in which case they are national gods—or incapacity for power—in which case they have to be good…."
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Nietzsche quotes I think fit together well.
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What have I got against Guenonfags?
1st & foremost, besides the universalism in religion & his conversion to Islam that seems to influence Dugin praising the Islamic Republic and King Charles III's islamophilia (both acolytes in their own way), the chief gut feeling and grievance is his touting of the ultramontane line of Church sword > Political sword (as opposed to my appeal to civic religion related throughout these posts).
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2nd reason I'm distrustful of Guenonfaggotry and Guenon acolytes is because Guenon was a Freemason who criticized Philip the Fair (Philip IV)--generally opposing ultraroyalism--but more importantly, in aligning Philip the Fair with Western decline, curses him for persecuting the The Templars (who are seen in a way as the ancestors of Freemasonry)--so that is pretty suspicious to me and that is why I regard Guenonists with suspicion and bar association.
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3rd, the criticisms invoked by Evola just don't appeal to me as opposed to his criticism of Nietzsche, Fascism, and National Socialism--it doesn't remedy the problems I see (that those factions sought to resolve).
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You could call it an irrational distrust and superstition towards them (perennial traditionalists), but so it is.
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With all due respect, this is a disucssion thread, not your personal blod & you have to learn to present your thoughts in more concise and coherent way if you want to hear more feedback than "lol meds schizo".

Pic rel is regarding the poasters above:
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>>13231
Feedback? The purpose of this thread is to sabre-rattle at Christianity.
I only come here to vent at Christianity, but yes, generally speaking, I am a blogposter who jots down my thoughts.
The perennialist traditionalists also deserve to be criticized in this general, I think, because they're opposed to it: they want to see the truth in all religion (including Abrahamism).
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I don't see what is incoherent with what I have to say.
The posts I make have three points:
1st, Aristotle
>A king should be kin or the same kind with his people
--Jesus is the King of the Jews, that's the problem most neopagans here have with Christianity, is it not? That it is a FOREIGN religion posing as a domestic one.
2nd, Nietzsche's comment that people are no longer worthy of kings, because they only want them to be a "slave of all" rather than the embodiment of their national ego/will-to-power.
3rd, I bicker about the universalism of perennial traditionalism and freemasonry (*which favors Christianity as well as Islam and Judaism as all valid paths as well, that is why some anons in this thread come to the defence of the Old Testament and Abrahamism, because in their view that is also valid), and, again, civic religion, the appeal of which applies to what Aristotle says and what Nietzsche says.
All the above is criticizing Christianity in a thread where we're here to spit at Christianity (along with Islam and Judaism).
In fact, what I've said throughout this thread concisely wraps up all the grievances most Natsoc anons have with Christianity in a nutshell: it is a foreign religion, it is opposed to civic religion, it is a jewish disease whose primary defect is wanting to ruthlessly spread and destroy nativism like a virus.
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>>13231
I appreciate the suspicion but deeply resent the dismissal of psi related topics
My comments about them are somewhat evidence based, I've experienced enough spooky things to make me seriously question enough preconceived ideas about reality but i'd rather approach these topics in a data driven manner since the field is prone to cranks and controlled opposition.

Many religious practices like prayer deeply align with psi concepts and show benefits.
There is more to life than materialism but it doesn't mean we should reject material  evidence though rainbow bodies still make me question reality.
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(Also, yes, I basically say that I'm against Guenon because he advocates ultraclericalism opposed to the advocacy of civic religion--and also for my part against utlraroyalism represented by Philip the Fair--which I bring up through Machiavelli, Hobbes, Rousseau, Nietzsche, & Martin Bormann--and I am mostly here to testify why it's in this board's interest to also prefer civic religion as opposed to ultraclericalism that perennialist traditionalists want--I don't think Evola offers a better effort than the people he criticized as well, we're all here--not because of Evola--but because of the people he criticized, lmao, like the Natsoc movement, like Nietzsche, like Fascism, and their efforts are greatly appreciated to resolve the problems we encounter).
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>>13236
Like what you mention, "psi" or related things very likely exist imo but what at least the first poster to bring it up was just retarded boomer-tier fake conspiracy psyop.
I also have some schizo within me, but I feel something more is going on and on some level with things like the concept of the Norns, it's hard to productively discuss without a lot of not-bullshit work done before speaking aside from say a thread where the goal is to dissect and maybe reach some productive insights or clues about the topic. 
The bullshit spewed above is just so laughably fake and gay it should just be laughed at.
>>13149
>India and its diaspora should be forcibly sterilised. The greatest mistake the british ever made was trying to civilise them.
>the british
You mean the totally materialist financial empire entirely geared towards protecting Jewish interesting in Asia? It's as if people forget that it's all post-Cromwell. The country's been dead for centuries.
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>>13227
>templars
i wish I were able to settle on that topic. Which branches were rotten, and when did they turn or fall? Was their banking system that bad? Was not Philip the Fair in cahoots with the Church? Didn't templars, at that time, oppose the Church and secretly turn away from ((( Jesus ))) as they spent time in the Middle East and discovered older truths?
>3rd, the criticisms invoked by Evola just don't appeal to me
What Evola got right was that he understood the importance of the royal figure that encompasses all powers, not just a servent of a clergy. He also derided Guenon's faith in the Eastern doctrines that were superior, that they wouldn't fall to darkness like all the Western world did.

>>13236
>Many religious practices like prayer deeply align with psi concepts and show benefits.
You won't get anywhere with that because it's all hearsay and subjective. When studies have been done to observe people praying, what they prayed for, when, where, and then went looking to see if these people were getting what they prayed for, the conclusion was harsh: all rubbish.
>>13237
>I don't think Evola offers a better effort than the people he criticized as well
I'm not sure he offered anything much but I know for a fact that some of the best motivational works I've read in ages came from him. A civic religion sounds fake and almost queer if coming from someone claiming faith in supernatural forces.
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>>13251
>A civic religion sounds fake and almost queer 
It sounds fake and queer, but on the other hand--you're faced with Christianity, whose supernatural lust demands you submit to the King of the Jews and all cities be burned to make way for New Jerusalem.
The civic optimists of Ancient Rome condemned Nero as a TYRANT & later the ANTI-CHRIST for wanting to burn Rome for his palace--that is how much they prided themselves in the fruition of their politics, their civic religion--but considering that, what do we make of Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ should be the greatest tyrant of all for wanting to burn ALL THE CITIES to make room for his own palace--the Cathedral--which represents his city--The New Jerusalem.
& numerous palaces are dedicated to Jesus throughout Europe, to this rebel king of the jews--isn't that fake and almost queer? That is what the proponents of civic religion sought to resolve, the burning of all cities and the divide of church and state that is destroying the nations.
The proponents of civic religion and Fascism are working to counteract this--Evola is working to counteract those proponents, but judging them by their fruits---again, Machiavelli's appeal to strive for virtu was directly to bypass the obstacle of the Church, Fascism's immanentism is to bypass the sundering of Church/State that the civic religion advocates saw (Does Evola resolve that?) -- we're in this situation primarily because of what Evola is telling us to turn back to... which has ultimately lead to indifference to affairs of country and the survival of peoples... and, again, the circumstance where we're under the King of the Jews and are content to be New Jerusalem, because we sought to transcend too much and ignored these red flags, that it was necessary to have these aforementioned advocates of civic religion to bring us back to where the perennialists have faultered with backing the ultramontanist claims (which we're opposed to).
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Faced with this, the people here who reject Christ for being Jewish and the religion of Jewish origin--fundamentally, like it or not--are appealing to the strain of civic religion which is at the root of this discontent.
Does Evola answer the problems here? that we're stuck between a rock and a hard place--why Fascism had to be invented with its immanentism were all along also aligned with this root, which is civic religion, the the chief obstacle for why we have to be immoralists, as Machiavelli & Nietzsche, is because the Church is in the way and in other to make room we must burn these temples and destroy the ultraclericalism of Christianity.
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Repost from the last thread:
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What civic religion has produced has far greater appeal to me in its totalitarianism--contrasted to societies that Duginists like, for instance, like the Islamic Republic of Iran or even the High Middle Ages (these are the time and places where their ideology shines)... but is that preferable to what Hitler, Mussolini, and the other proponents of Fascism? If you asked me, I don't think so.
Wanting to demolish these ideologies of civic religion like Fascism and National Socialism and make a desperate, anachronistic throwback on just any pretense of values seems lameduck, boring, pumped up and overly hyped with examples we already see today that aren't that impressive, examples we read in history that also leave more to be desired. At best I see the advance of cliqueish nobles and a small remonstrance of virtue which pales in comparison to these projects.
The anon who says this is fake and queer... needs to refurnish us with a show of his vision, because I'm not seeing it.
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Christianity doesn't compare much to totalitarianism: I think Fascism was the appropriate modern medicine for the modern mind--and Christianity isn't armed to compete and compensate for this.
People should be saying,
>"We need Fascism--We need Hitler"
Because Christianity is not really up for the task. 
I don't understand how a Christian moralist can look at society today and be content with the churches--and look back at what Natsoc/Fascism did and say that we need to go back to the churches (which continue to grow more and more irrelevant and weak as an outspoken moral arbiter in our society).
It seems readily apparent that if your goal is to discipline a people, you're better off with Fascism/Natc or if you're going to be stubborn about it then even Islam beats Christianity in its shows of piety--but again, I guess the traditionalist Christians would consider Islam over Natsoc/Fascism because that sense of piety appeals to them over the civic religion of Fascism/Natsoc that seeks to regiment the citizens... I think Fascism/Natsoc is better modern medicine that answers the dilemmas Rousseau posed with Christianity and its inadequacy to impact civil life and the sociability. 
TL;DR:
Yes, I think the totalitarianism of Fascism and National Socialism in their attempts at a civic religion is superior to Abrahamism in general (yes, even Islam).
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State Shinto--another example of civic religion--I also prefer as an improvement upon the Meiji Restoration & to what came before it in terms of the Shogunate and Taishō Democracy. Which has mobilized its people and imbued them with a kind of royal virtue (for the Japanese) in ways even stronger.
An even stronger extension of civic religion today--inspired by State Shinto in some ways--is North Korea's Juche ideology and cult of personality with the Kims / Mt. Paektu bloodline.
...These examples are not "fake and queer" to me... because not only are they an improvement to me, but also they're probably the only resolution left to turn to in the absence and fall of Christianity in the West and the utter anachronism of full on neopaganism/traditionalism... as Machiavelli says 
>"For where the fear of God fails, it must be either that the kingdom comes to ruin or that it is sustained by the fear of a prince, which supplies the defects of religion." 
- Machiavelli (from the Discourses of Livy)

So this is not fake and gay--this is probably all there is to hope for.
Every example of civic religion has been a miracle as opposed to the partiality of noble cliques and ultraclericalism which vies for its stead or the advocates of political pluralism we're faced with today who champion multi-party democracy and plain old whigg, droll, boring Victorian constitutionalism.
As opposed to this, you have Saint Louis IX, who says it's not for his kingdom's sake, but for Christendom, and championed the idea of the Crusades--as the opposite idea of civic religion, is that really desirable? to join hands with the crusader larp ambitions or at best the other side of political pluralism opposite to the democracyfags (the noble cliqueists) who just want universalism of some church to cripple state unity so they should flourish.
These are modern innovations, you could say, echoing the sentiments that Rousseau stressed in the social contract, but they are welcome ones--and also, contrarily, build upon what Christianity failed to endorse and sought to destroy, that even Plato endorsed his philosopher kings to return from their height and build civilization--the perennialists are in the quagmire of upholding the mistake of the past, the ultramontanism of Christianity which was intended to lay ruin to the nations maliciously and destroy them, and the power of the Pope/Clergy in doing this. That I don't care to uphold--that is fake, queer, and gay to me, and long incapacitated and useless now anyways.
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>It's as if people forget that it's all post-Cromwell. The country's been dead for centuries.
True.
Literal jewish larping christian end game insanity.

I wonder what beings are behind the control of the abrahamism project to subjugate the world?
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That said, on a /fascist/ board, I'm not sure why anyone here would wish to reject all the above and these awesome sights that convey this idea...
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In exchange for going back to the rhetoric of Saint Louis IX... who represents the epitome of the opposite ideal to civic religion... and opposed to the kind of kings like King Philip the Fair or Louis XIV are.
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Song of Louis IX:
>The Duke of Baume first gave his word:
>"For this great land I'll wield my sword."
>Said the great king,
>"This LACKS wisdom. We must save all of -Christendom-."
--And no, don't confound -Christendom- with a pan-European project, like some anti-nationalists like to think, or even with the strengths of empire...
Whose holy land is New Jerusalem and in the Middle East...
...You see, perennialists trying to restore this order of the Catholic Church are striving to rescue a structure that isn't worth keeping, neither was it really intended to begin with... the proponents of civic religion, I dare say, are even closer to antiquity than the traditionalists of Christendom... perennialists are caught up in the swig of picking things up where the ultramontanists left off in juxtaposition to the Enlightenment and democracies, but just because -those- forces were opposed to the Enlightenment and democracies of political pluralism doesn't make them a viable alternative that honestly people here on /fascist/ and maybe /pol/ would even want. I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think you really want to go back to that or be a society like in certain parts of the Middle East that spurn nationalism for the caliphates or the crusader bucket heads who want the return to Papal Supremacy in favor of the dead jew king on a stick (which is really an overglorified prime minister). It just doesn't compare, but I guess if you consider all that fake and gay and queer and would prefer Saint Louis IX and the others, have your cup of tea--I don't see the appeal personally, think it overrated with waxy rhetoric everyone is repeating, and if we truly did went back to those times--you would all be tested like Job in the Bible, and probably become even more radical Jacobins in response (because I think most are lying to themselves).
I generally repost this a lot, but since I added all those quotes with Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Rousseau, Nietzsche, and Martin Bormann--to point to any references for why I think there's a folly with perennialists striving to oppose civic religion & Fascism and return to the anti-politics of New Jerusalem "Christendom" and the ultramontanism of the Pope and the maxims of Church sword > Political sword and the Biblical God who utterly lacks the civic optimism that Cicero talks about and destroys cities as Sodoms and Gomorrahs... I do all that hoping the audience here will see that their interests stand with civic religion rather than the ultraclericalism... but oh well.

"So that you may be the readier to defend the Constitution, know this: for all who have preserved their fatherland, furthered it, enriched it, there is in heaven a sure and allotted abode, where they may enjoy an immortality of happiness." -Cicero

"For nothing happens in the world more pleasing to that supreme Deity, who governs all the universe, than those gatherings and unions of men allied by common laws, which are called states. From this place do their rulers and guardians set out, and to this place do they return." -Cicero

"Exercise this soul in the noblest activities. Now the noblest are cares and exertions for our country's welfare." -Cicero

"But when with a rational spirit you have surveyed the whole field, there is no social relation among them all the more close, none more dear than that which links each one of us with our country. Parents are dear; dear are children, relatives, friends; but one native land embraces all our loves; and who that is true would hesitate to give his life for her, if by his death he could render her a service?" -Cicero

"Plato himself is for a Divine Power assisting in Human Politics… 'tis a remarkable passage that of his in his Meno. "We may as properly call Governors, or States-men, Divine, as we call those who give out the Oracles, or Prophets or Poets by that name; and we may affirm, that they have a Divine Illumination, and are possessed by the Deity, when they consult for the good of the commonwealth" –William Nichols
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Lotsa churches and cathedrals burning across Europe during the last decade. I know, I know, ((( kiketianity ))) and all that, but what's the reading over these very very unfortunate and totally accidental events?
I also wonder. Should we do like Muslims did with the Hagia Sophia? Is architectural conversion on the table?
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>turblogposts
What the fuck is civic religiosity?
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I don't mourn the loss of cathedrals--they represent New Jerusalem and are palaces in honor of Jesus as our King and the Christians desire to turn all nations into New Jerusalem.
>but they are outstanding testaments to beauty, culture, tradition
It's a beautiful trap indeed where you can be mesmerized by the power and glory of the New Jerusalem... 

>Should we do like Muslims did with the Hagia Sophia? Is architectural conversion on the table?
It is. Christians built many churches out of the ruins of the pagan temples they destroyed. 
I know they did that with the Aztec temples in Mexico and others in Greece.
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>>13261
Welp, not seeing much difference with kikes lovin' & burnin' cathedrals then, since these rats, they hate beauty and anything tainted by the hand of skilled White people. If we destroy them churches and if neopagan LARPing is regressive then what do we make of those ruins? Do we leave them as wounds in the middle of our cities?
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>>13260
Where religion is in sync to its state/people as a cultural heritage, but in extreme examples today political ideology / art & civil worship around members of state, leader cults of personality, mixture of spiritual and civic policy, etc...
...Christianity, like Rousseau suggests, can never be a domestic religion for any nation... the advent of Christianity, like the prophesies foretell... was invented to -destroy- the nations, so nationalism was a justified reaction to Christianity and ultraclericalism... that counts for Islam as well.
>>13262
>LARPing 
It's very funny when christkikes level that accusation at followers of Native European faiths, as if christkikes haven't been spending thousands of years imitating kike customs and insisting WE WUZ DA REEL JOOSH. Pathetic and irritaging in equal parts.
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>>13264
Oh, and naming their kids after kikes from the Babble.
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>"Monarchy represents the belief in a man who is completely superior a leader, a saviour, a demigod."
- Nietzsche (The Will to Power)
I’m no abrahamist, but monotheism is logical to me than polytheism.
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I am an atheist and worshiping the sun is more logical than any other type of spirituality because at least the sun is fucking real and we would not exist without it..
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>>13272
You do know that not worshipping it won't make it stop from sending its rays, right?
>>13264
>shit A is better than shit B
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>>12690
You know I keep thinking about the saxons and the Norse before forced conversion. They did believe in Odin and Thor and many resisted conversion and stuck to the old gods. It wasn’t a religion it was their way of life a cultural repository of who they where in the myths and stories it was a lived experience. To have that worldview must have been magical and if one thing chrtianity is good at is breaking and destroying the ancestral oral folk traditions wherever it goes. Because of materialism it’s hard for modern people to think of the gods as our ancestors did Chrtianity then latter modernity has served us from it.
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Paul the Pharisee was the main promoter of gentile conversion. He pushed for not having to follow the Jewish law . So gentilies didn’t need to circumcise and they could eat pork. If Saul didn’t drop those things then he wouldn’t be able to sell his Noahide religion. He mixed  messianic Judaism with pagan motifs to sell it to the gentilies. I believe Chrtianity was a Jewish Trojan horse started by Saul and others. They couldn’t beat Rome physically so they subverted it with Chrtianity. Though Christian’s have been at time hostile to Jews it’s still tolerates them . They have to keep existing in Chrtianity to fulfill the book of revelations. Polytheist don’t give a shit about desert abrahamic schizophrenia so they would have a less likely chance of surviving in that type of society then a chrtian one.
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>>13272
Worshipping the sun is kind of retarded if you think about. A deity to be worshipped must be eternal, the sun, like any star in the universe, is temporary and it will die some day in the far future. How is it comprehensible to worship something that will die?
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Star Wars? Second pic.
>>13275
What's that supposed to mean?
>>13236
>Many religious practices like prayer deeply align with psi concepts and show benefits
Because that's where New Agers got their jeet superstition from. It's called Siddha or something like that, special powers that really advanced jeetmen are supposed to get, but of course, such things are never seen by people skeptical of jeet mysticism. In other words, it's a jeet scam.

>There is more to life than materialism
Occultism and psychism are a form of materialism. You're trying to treat metaphysical realm (and incompleteness of mere physical reality doesn't require any jeet supersition, Idealist philosophy - of which fascism is a current - doesn't need crystal mom fairy tales) as a sort of matter to be manipulated by "science". 
>>13251
>i wish I were able to settle on that topic. Which branches were rotten, and when did they turn or fall? Was their banking system that bad?
Well, they and their brothers Hospitaliers were the only ones who seemed committed to the project of maintaining a Christian state in Palestine. That doesn't scream "corruption" to me, whatever your stance on Christianity is. Likely Philip just needed money (probably because of jews), the Order had it and slander is easy. There's no real evidence for any of the de Nogare's ridiculous claims.
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Look, I have to re-iterate a final time, why Nationalism is vindicated, why Ultraclericalism sadly must be condemned, is wholly to do with Ultraclericalism's Abrahamic origin (at least, concerning Islam, Catholicism/Christianity)--that its bile against the nations is originally the ancient Jews' bile against the goyim nations, metamorphosed from the Jews unto the Church.
...The ultimate redpill for traditionalists to understand about Nationalism... is it is -not- Nationalism that is the peculiarity in history... It's Ultraclericalism... Ultraclericalism really is the culprit taking the misstep...
All the inconvenience stems--not from Nationalism--but the religion itself is derived from the Jewish fantasy to -destroy- the goyim, to destory the goy nations, to reap out their kings and have their nations come out in procession...
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The anti-nationalism in ultraclericalism comes from that Jewish hatred of the nations. That is why sadly, I say to the perennialists, however Medieval and trad it seems--cannot be entertained, the very root is the problem here for Islam as well as Christianity, and that's the Jewish hatred of the goyim nations, which is responsible for it.
...That's the ultimately folly, that's the inconvenience we're faced with...
It seems natural and obvious to me... that ultraclericalism, deriving its right and identity from the Jewish power fantasy to destroy all the nations... would become an enemy to nationalism...
Once you realize that, it's just laughable to listen to the anti-nationalist clericalists...
It's downright stupid--but sadly, that's the case...
And realizing that, it seems nationalism is totally vindicated in its anti-clericalism all the way.
Because who is the culprit to blame? the Jewish prophecies demanding a champion to destroy the nations or the nations?
These Jewish power fantasies to conquer and destroy the nations and make them their bitches... metamorphosed into the malevolence of the Utlraclericalism towards the nations...
>>13277
They couldn't subvert anything if they didn't have money and influence. They make themselves accepted, then necessary to some upper tier nobles and now bourgeois, and there you go. Saul's gibberish would have never worked without the network and wealth. In fact all of their scams would never work without these resources.
>>13278
Germanic gods could die too.
The Abrahamic god may be eternal but not infinite since things exist outside of him, such as Earth.
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>"A State may be strong when it serves a greater destiny when it feels itself to be the instrument of a great destiny for a people. Otherwise, the State is tyrannical."

>“Spain cannot be defined by having its own language, or by being a race, or by being a set of traditions, on the contrary, Spain is defined by an imperial vocation to unite languages, unite races, unite peoples and unite customs in a world destiny; Spain is much more than a race and much more than a language, because it is something that is expressed in this way, from which I become more and more sure that this is the unity of destiny throughout the world."

>“All humans are brothers, white and black, all because many centuries ago, in another distant land, one martyr shed his blood and sacrificed himself so that this blood would establish love and brotherhood among people on Earth.”
— José Antonio Primo de Riverа

Notice, even Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the chief Christian fascist, is inhibited by ultraclericalism and says you're a -TYRANT- if you oppose making all nations into New Jerusalem.
>Otherwise, the State is tyrannical.

This is a great Catholic sentiment, but not very Fascist.
>"That is a grave problem, since the transcendent conception that rules over the Catholic Church contradicts the immanentist character of the political conception of Fascism."
- Giovanni Gentile

Fascism is totalitarian, statist & nationalistic, because of its immanentism; it values life in the here and now & Fascism values the State/Nation/Race & Language (these aren't mere pawns in the game of the High Church & Fascism isn't apathetic to the political like Spiritual Sword > Political or Church sword > political sword).

Giovanni Gentile:
>"Therefore, it was a necessity for the Fascist State to recognize the religious authority of the Church; a -political- necessity, a political recognition, with respect to the realization of the State itself.

The stress is on political--the immanentism of Fascism is trying to reconcile the Church for the State's sake, because of the circumstances of Italy and Catholicism... 

Extracts from anonymous Italian fascist tract:
>Priests can not forget that within them, underneath their cassock, there is the heart of a citizen... The clergy is made up of men who are necessarily linked to their people and their land.
>For an ecclesiastic, to forget his Fatherland is to renounce the essential part of his human personality.
>If this were not enough, the clergy should at least remember that it has always been a function of order and pacification. Now many of its members seem to perform the opposite function: they are -- consciously or not -- advocates of anarchy, of disorder, of opposition to laws, of crime.
(This anonymous tract represents Fascism grappling with the Anti-Politics of Ultra-Clericalism).
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Even Salazar distanced himself:
>Salazar distanced himself from Nazism and fascism, which he described as a "pagan Caesarism" that did not recognise legal, religious or moral limits
Spain didn't deserve Primo de Rivera and yet he was too cucked on Christian juice.
And Italy is unfortunately too stuck in Christianity too. Latin countries overall are in deep need of some help. The only redeeming value I found in Italy was that political group in Northern Italy which for some few decades made boastful claims about the Lombards coming from the north and owing all to their Celtic roots. A typical north/south divide that mirrors the racial composition of that country.
The Sacred North will save. Period.
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Anti-Christ is a title of honor.
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On the opposition between Communism and Christianity.
Was the medieval period that “based” according to what christians says and imagines that age?
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>>13434
No.
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>>13435
How?
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More proof that the Church integralism adopts the tribalism of the Ancient Jews militantly against the nations:
>I will avenge my nation and the sanctuary, and our children, and wives: for all the heathens [GOYIM] are gathered together to destroy us.
- I Maccabees XIII.6
This is followed by Imperator posting high church imagery, which for Christians is the New Jerusalem as their -true- nation.
As the Cathedral is supposed to be their -true- city (The New Jerusalem) in mockery of their nationhood and heathen cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt
>When the Second Temple in Jerusalem was looted and services stopped, Judaism was outlawed. In 167 BCE, Antiochus ordered an altar to Zeus erected in the Temple. He banned brit milah (circumcision) and ordered pigs to be sacrificed at the altar of the temple.
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I'm glad someone else finally pointed this out about the Esau & Jacob story--even the Old Testament makes deception a kind of virtue, not only here, but also with the Pharaoh and Sarah joining his harem.
>Jacob (AKA Israel) is the prototypical Jew.

>He extorts his brother for his birthright, lies to his father to steal his brother's blessing, and is blessed by the Jewish god for doing so.

>Then, when Esau got mad about it, he fled into the wilderness like a coward.

>Typical Jew.
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>The worst part of all this is Christians and Jews alike try to justify this.

>They'll say ESAU was wicked for...what? Being down on his luck and being extorted in desperation?

>And Christians want to be descended from this guy. Deplorables.
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>INB4 "No! Idiot he was wicked because he married Hittite wives!"

>Oh. So he married White people and had White kids? Oh no! 
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>In case Christians are too slow to figure this out, there's a reason why Jews think the Edomites were European.

>Because Esau literally married Indo-Europeans. 

>They WERE European. (At least in the story)
>>13440
I'd go with a soft disagree here.
Obviously all our people were steeped in Christianity at that time, and the basedness, in its antisemitic expression, was due to those factors mainly:
>horrible financial predatory behavior
>poisoning wells
>killing White children for sacrifices
>they killed our saviour
One of those points is cucked.
Beyond that, the lack of industrial pollution, dumbed TV, spying internet, vulgarity, pornography, miscegenation, poisoned food, fatness and a large rejection of homosexuality, which the Church would however always practice and hide within herself, would obviously depict a superior civilization on these grounds alone. Add on top of this a closer bond to the land, an overall appreciation of all things spiritual (even if poisoned) and a respect of the highest of hierarchies, all contribute to make those times rather good in comparison to what we have today.
The downside being the mortality rate, the lack of good medicine (ancient ones erased by the Church) and a strong absence of efficacious painkillers help mitigate that idyllic picture.

What you want today is all the good things of yesteryear, all the power of modern systems, a ruthless protection of Nature and everything made to satisfy White needs.
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>>13517
>One of those points is cucked.
Christian anti-semitism basically hates Jews for not being truly Jewish enough.
Is that really glorious? to basically be a jealous, adopted son?--because that is what Christians really are, jealous, angry adopted sons who sold their spiritual birthrights away to have the jews' birthright... to get under the table and eat bread crumbs like dogs.

>the lack of industrial pollution, dumbed TV, spying internet, vulgarity, pornography, miscegenation, poisoned food, fatness
Those are all mostly accidental qualities, tbh. 
If the same technology and mobility of people were present, the proliferation of these items would seep through.
The disingenuous thing is we trick ourselves into thinking there vulgarity and pornography wouldn't persist anyways. If you want to see the Middle Ages, just look at subsistence countries or the Middle East. 
Everything people like about Medievalism is the high fantasy they see in LOTR... but High Church, the Biblical soul overcoming the pagan cultures with the story of the Old Testament Jews, and the adoption of Christianity is not really that great.

>miscegenation
Christianity is ill-equipped to deal with the race issue--any notable prospect of race to be relied upon just comes from appeals to the Jews' tribalism.

>a large rejection of homosexuality
This is the only thing I concede that can boasted of.

>and a respect of the highest of hierarchies
Rule by priests/Papal ultramontanism under the Jewish Messiah/King of the Jews is not a bonus.
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Christianity's rivalry with Judaism broils down to this contention that, while the Jews have their ancestral customs and traditions, the Christians have their King (The King of the Jews) and thereby their people's soul and god which makes them the truer Jews than the Jews themselves with their customs/traditions.
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Christians are like angry, feeble adopted orphans brought into the family, but hates the Father/Master's natural children and resents them for having a -real- family and their real birthright--so they boast they were the truer sons all along because the father's natural sons didn't care enough for their father but they do so this makes them the real children all along and more worthy of being the seed of Abraham.
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The highest of hierarchy... to be a good person... to follow the correct god... and again a -real- person in the Jewish view is to be a jew and not a gentile goy cattle... the Christian glory is that in being spiritually circumcised, they are the truer Jews. The blood of the Euchrist and the spear hitting into Christ is an homage to the circumcision and that blood.
You are really in Christ's view--dogs laying under the table to get the crumb's from the Master's natural children (The Jews).
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Hot take:
Christians are indeed worthy of not only the Jews' contempt for trying to make them discard their ancestral traditions and get close to goyim, but they're worthy of everyone else--because these are bastard, orphan adopted sons who want to be graftees and sell away their inheritance to join Abraham's inheritance. 
Angry, hideous, jealous, boorish orphans -- that is what Christians are -- and they're hated for wanting to cut down all of our trees until only the tree of Abraham stands and strip naked and castrate every other culture and identity and bond outside of their fake and gay royalism/form of Messianic Judaism.
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>I may have cut down Donar's oak and destroyed my own soul in exchange for a jewish soul, but... at least I have no fap!
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Rule of the highest of hierarches (or Church über alles as opposed to Deutschland über alles) is worse than civnat.
Not only is it cosmopolitan and siphons off all races into one church stew under Christ, but you all LARP as truer Jews in rejecting civnat for churchnat.
At least with civnat you still have an identity that isn't trying to be truly jewish or some pretense for the well being and survival of some people and even Liberalism gives the freedom to make your own identity other than truly being Jewish.
So another hot take is that, yes, Liberalism / Civnat is preferable to Churchnat of Medievalism/High Church Catholicism.
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The apple of integralist eyes is wanting the rest of the West to be like Spain or Poland, but ultimately to return to the crusades.
The militant church catholicism of Spain is due to Islamic occupation--it is an artificial and unnatural spiritual mostly adapted to resistance Islamic occupation. The reason why the bosom of other countries is not at militantly Catholic is because they exist further away from Islam, but having a country's identity being shaped by fear of an Islamic enemy leads to an uncanny and unnatural dependence on Church militant culture lacking a natural, organic development and inner cultural peace that other nations would have.
The same for Poland--the Church became the predominant identity in resistance to foreign occupation of others.
Most other countries couldn't be more like Spain, like the Integralists demand and wish more a more militant church across Europe, because most countries are further away from Islam to develop their own cultural core...
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>>13522
>Christian anti-semitism basically hates Jews for not being truly Jewish enough.
Their antisemitism is an internal affair essentially. Literally none of our business, but we have been taught to care about it. It's like caring if Muslim women get beaten by their husbands. None of our business either. Same for caring about niggers dying of famine.
>Everything people like about Medievalism is the high fantasy they see in LOTR... but High Church, the Biblical soul overcoming the pagan cultures with the story of the Old Testament Jews, and the adoption of Christianity is not really that great.
I agree. But i'd love to know that we have a natural way to improve our bodies to the point where they would truly become perfect, and that we would gain access to tools to help solve random biological issues. Even with proper activity and food, there human condition is rather terrible and some people have it bad for what amounts to an unfair draw of the straw.
>Christianity is ill-equipped to deal with the race issue--any notable prospect of race to be relied upon just comes from appeals to the Jews' tribalism.
That is what happens when the universal creed claims that we descend from the same couple, the same original blood. Mind you there was a time when the Church was based enough to wonder if niggers even had a soul (well, they asked the same thing about women at some point so meh).
>Rule by priests/Papal ultramontanism under the Jewish Messiah/King of the Jews is not a bonus.
Only because it's been hijacked. Respect of divine powers, divinized heroes and worthy ancestors should return.
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>seventy
Again. It's very jewed, the rabbis all excited about the coming of their mashi–akh are really all intoxicated on that number.
>ravs and rabbis who can't sit still on their chairs
Do they have serious cases of hemorrhoids or what?
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Nietzscheans & others are vindicated by the Islamists & Christian fundamentalists for saying Abrahamism is life-denying.
Islamists reject the practice of birthdays, because the Pharaoh is the only character in the Old Testament to have celebrated his birthday--they seem it a pagan custom and innovation, so they don't celebrate birthdays.
Islam: Birthdays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RJJF0xRr1U
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The same concern existed even within Christianity like with Islam, although Christians were narrowly lenient in accepting this pagan custom of birthdays.
Jews today celebrate birthdays, although--again--the only noted person in the Torah who celebrated his own birthday was the Pharaoh.
>"The celebration of the birthdays of Kings, and Princes, was of ancient custom, and venerable antiquity, among the Medes, Persians, and Romans."
>"For though Job, and Jeremy, cursed the day wherein they were born, and only Pharaoh, Jeroboam, and Herod, are remembered in Scripture, to have made great feasts on their birthday, as some have observed, yet that is not recorded of them as their sin."
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>>13570
>the amount of niggers in this video
Holy fuck.
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I was watching this video and near the very end Bowden blames the current state the West is in on Christian ethics. Does anyone know more where I could read or explain how they have ruined the West?
>Original link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoIeGj13MGk
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>>13590
>Does anyone know more where I could read or explain how they have ruined the West?
I can give you a TLDR version, which sources and books will eventually arrive at: Christianity was to Rome, as BLM / Antifa was to the West. Christianity, through a mixture of genuine ignorance of scripture, intentional malice through misinterpreting scriptures by religious leaders / pastors / priests / ((( financiers and lawyers backing or threatening said religious leaders ))), and inherent pro-Univeralist themes in the books scribed by the Apostle Saul (the jew of all jews) turned it into Judeo-Christianity over time (also known as Christian Fundamentalism, a Talmudic-derived Noahide slave religion which followed from the heretical doctrine known as Dispensationalism, a late 19th century construct that said Jesus is largely irrelevant and the Old Testament is more valid—conveniently instead, the mixed race and foreign jews of today were magically interpreted as being the original people of the Old Testament).

Some practical examples of genuine ignorance of scripture, which allowed Christians to fall prey: taking care of sojourners when passing by in your lands (temporary guests for example), was intentionally reinterpreted to mean 'foreigner here and staying indefinitely' which of course means pro-jew and pro-rapefugee / open borders. Scriptures saying 'turn the other cheek', an idiom meaning being treated as an equal by your adversary and shaming them for their misconduct by being inherently better than them, similar to Hitler doing practically everything imaginable to avoid war with Britain / the US, etc., turned into 'spread the other cheek' and let evil rape you and your loved ones openly until you are extinct.

Traditional Pagan moral values of strength, pride, racial-integrity, worship of life and fertility, worship of ancestors, oftentimes deities and gods which were non-anthropomorphic or were specifically gods visualized as looking like your race, etc., were instead inverted to idolize weakness, slaves, the inherent death cult mentality in Abrahamic religions, the foreigner, universalism (at least for the slaves of jews), and so on. These made the values of secular classical liberalism  come into being through 'all men made equal', no authority of kings or great leaders, and such, while talmudic judaism went the route of secular communism and cultural marxism 'some are made more equal than others'. The first route allowed infiltration and subversion by jews even in traditionally anti-jewish nations, while the second route was explicitly pro-jewish and anti-Pagan / anti-European / anti-West from the get-go.
>>13689
I know it will sound harsh to you but if you want to defaggotify yourself, you'll have to learn to stop using "them" for someone when your more based distant patriarchal forefathers used "him."
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>>13689
Devon Stack goes hard on examples and explanations on his BLACKPILLED channel
He's been doing it for years, so as is to be expected has been kicked from most all mainstream venues.
Odysee or Rumble has him
TG too, but I'd advise NOBODY use telegram. Just like Jewgle.
>>13694
In this case it's plural so him does not work and based is a negro word invented by a rapper.
>>13694
Imagine being so mixed-race and ESL that you can't even differentiate the correct usage of 'they' and 'them' for plural cases vs the woke singular. Kek.
>>13590
Hello there! 👋 It sounds like you’ve been diving into the intense world of Jonathan Bowden’s oratory! 🎤 Bowden was a well-known figure in British radical-right circles who frequently critiqued the impact of Christian ethics on Western civilization. 🏛️
If you’re looking to understand his specific perspective or find similar readings, here is the breakdown of his views and where you can find more:
## 📖 Jonathan Bowden's Key Arguments
Bowden's critique was heavily influenced by Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy. His main gripes with Christian ethics often boiled down to these points: [1, 2] 

* The "Slave Morality": Following Nietzsche, Bowden argued that Christianity introduced a "slave morality" that prioritized pity, humility, and equality over strength, vitality, and hierarchy.
* Lack of "Virility": He blamed Christian virtues for a perceived decay in Western society, claiming they lacked the "masculine virility" and "heroic outlook" necessary for a civilization to thrive and assert itself.
* Universalism vs. Particularism: He felt that Christian universalism (the idea that all people are equal before God) paved the way for modern liberalism and egalitarianism, which he viewed as "moral syphilis" that eroded distinct European identities. [1, 2, 3] 
* 

## 📚 Recommended Reading & Sources
To see these ideas in his own words or explore similar "New Right" critiques, check out these resources:

* Bowden's Works: Books like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bowden and Pulp Fascism (published by Counter-Currents) contain his direct thoughts on these themes.
* The Nietzschean Roots: Since Bowden is essentially "Nietzsche-pilled," reading Nietzsche's On the Genealogy of Morals or The Antichrist will give you the primary philosophical foundation for the idea that Christianity "ruined" the West by flipping natural values.
* Meta-Politics Journals: Bowden co-founded the New Right think tank, which published the journal New Imperium. Looking for archived copies or transcripts of his speeches (often found on the Jonathan Bowden Archive) is the best way to hear his full "pagan" alternative to Christian ethics. [1, 2, 3] 
* 

It’s definitely a radical and controversial "meta-political" rabbit hole! 🕳️🐇 Would you like to know more about the philosophers who influenced him, or perhaps a summary of the opposing view on how Christianity actually built the West? 🤔

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bowden
[2] https://jasonbowden.substack.com/p/bowden-contra-bowden
[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/alt-right-white-nationalist-richard-spencer-jonathan-bowden-nick-griffin-bnp-a9091376.html
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>>13689
>instead, the mixed race and foreign jews of today were magically interpreted as being the original people of the Old Testament)
That is the case.
The Jews are the Jews of the Old Testament. They are altogether Jews.
That is the whole reason why everyone here is upset with Christianity--it is derived from the Jews (and that also accounts for the Jews of today).
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>>13728
This is an absolute falsehood.
Ashkenazi kikes are from the Eastern European areas, namely the areas in and around the Ukraine.
Interdasting, no?
Even the Hebrews in the Babble were more likened to marauders than were Israelites.
Doesn't matter, with a book that corrupted over time for political and ((( Other ))) reasons, (Spare me the whole "WORD of GOD is incorruptible" bullshit,) how could any thinking man take it for "Truth"?

Also, they don't allow genetic testing in Israel, due to the fact that MOST of the population isn't even Semetic,(genetically, not linguistically,) and their whole narrative of "Our promised land" falls apart when it's found they are mostly converts from elsewhere who actually practice a modified form of Babylonian Talmudism.
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>>13720
I love these ai-generated posts.
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>>13742
>AI posts almost always use Emoji
>Niggers almost always use Emoji
...uh, guys.
>>13729
>Ashkenazi kikes are from the Eastern European areas, namely the areas in and around the Ukraine.
I'm tired of dumb faggots such as yourself consistently thinking all Joos just magically come from Ukraine/Russia when Ashkenazis are mostly Southern European. Muh Khazars is a bullshit lie created by a Jew who wanted a scapegoat.
>Also, they don't allow genetic testing in Israel
Yes they do, dumbass. They have paternity and consumer ancestry testing all the time. Pure retardation thinking the Shithole that is known to be super autistic about their inbred genes are actually against something they've been fully supportive of for years to determine ancestry. Jews are clearly Semitic, take your Christcuck garbage elsewhere.
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>>14122
<joos
<jews
<capitalizes it no less
<omits that Chabad is Ukraine-Turkish based, i.e., Khazaria
<omits that the entire point of the Ukraine-Russian war is to drain Ukraine of native Europeans so that New Khazaria can be rebuilt with Chabad / Blackrock / Vanguard investments after the kikeland project in the Middle East collapses
Only schvartze erev rav mamzerim such as yourself don't recognize that jews are the muttiest of mutts, so it's hard to label them as anything except for brown and non in the first place. The Ashkenazi are most definitely the Eastern European mutt variants, while the Sephardic are the South European mutts in some instances.
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>>14137
>capitalises
I also capitalise White. But oh how horrible of me to speak proper native English!
>Only schvartze erev rav mamzerim such as yourself don't recognize that jews are the muttiest of mutts, 
Ashkenazis are mostly European Jews, aka Jews with White blood with mostly Southern European and Eastern European admixture. Ashkenazis are mutts, but less of mutts than the latinx whose DNA is a mixture of niggers, Whites, and Mesoamerican indians. They're more of Euromutts than say a racial conglomerate. DNA says bullshit that they're Turks and even chadbad state that the Turkic shit is not real.
>omits that the entire point of the Ukraine-Russian war is to drain Ukraine of native Europeans so that New Khazaria can be rebuilt with Chabad / Blackrock / Vanguard investments after the kikeland project in the Middle East collapses
I'm sorry, but this is extremely retarded and is complete bullshit. You're making us anti-semities look bad. Chabad-Lubavitch was founded in the late 18th century in White Russia/Belarus, not Ukraine or Turkic Khazaria. Poland was where most Eastern European Jews were prior hand and where the chadbad Jews had come from.
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>>14141
>Ashkenazis are mostly European Jews, aka Jews with White blood with mostly Southern European and Eastern European admixture. Ashkenazis are mutts, but less of mutts than the latinx whose DNA is a mixture of niggers, Whites, and Mesoamerican indians. They're more of Euromutts than say a racial conglomerate. DNA says bullshit that they're Turks and even chadbad state that the Turkic shit is not real.
Then they're not semitic either, which is what I was protesting in the first place! They're mutts, and by definition cannot be easily classified. Barack Obama has at least 50% European genetics, yet it is absurd to call him an ethnic European man even if he was majority (51%) European. What we can easily do is identify what he is not, like jews. How much more so does this apply to jews with their Slav-Italian-nigger-sandnigger genetic admixture and 5-7% at best ancient Palestinian-Assyrian genetics?
<Chabad doesn't come from Khazaria
You are willfully being a nigger and twisting my words. Of course Chabad isn't spawned directly from ancient Khazaria, but it's no coincidence at all they have their origin in a similar place as Khazaria, that the geographical area is packed with modern jews historically, and that indeed they are obsessive about ethnically cleansing the area to bring in jews as Israel 2.0. This bogus argument of jews inventing the theory holds no water—jews fought tooth and nail against Khazaria being jewish, until it was verified beyond any reasonable doubt in the 20th century. Khazar Theory (the idea that modern jews themselves are mostly foreign goyim converts from the area and/or their semitic roots were race-mixed out) is an expansion of the original, and it will also win out in time after kike-seething. The logic that kikes use the theory to say they're close kin to Europeans as a strategy is retarded, since it easily destroys any credibility of ties to kikeland in the Middle East (and the fundamental socio-religious structure of even their secular culture).
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>>14145
>Then they're not semitic either, which is what I was protesting in the first place! 
That still means they're Semitic. Jews are at-least 50 to 70% Semitic on average. Their ancestry can be found mainly in the Middle-East with European admixture.
>You are willfully being a nigger and twisting my words.
Every dumbass who believes in the "MUH KHAZARS" bullshit believes that Ukraine will become some Jew colony as a reason for the Ukraine-Russian War pretending as if Ukraine and Russia haven't had ethnic and geopolitical conflict for centuries. Besides, you're just regurgitating retarded shit as if I'm some supposed to believe something that has zero evidence and makes zero sense in the first place. World War I being started by Jews has evidence, the 224th Slav war doesn't.
>but it's no coincidence at all they have their origin in a similar place as Khazaria
>I never said that Khazaria was their origin place
<proceeds to state they come from Khazaria
They didn't come from Khazaria you bumbling retard. Go outside often. Chadbad Jews aren't the ones who rule the West.
>The logic that kikes use the theory to say they're close kin to Europeans as a strategy is retarded
I didn't say this. I said they have admixture or European blood which is obviously true. You don't know what you're talking about, so why continue this discussion if you're just going to be a disingenuous nigger?
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>>14147
My longer text failed to post, and I lost it. I'm going to be much more blunt with my reply now:
>1) Ukraine-Russian War
It has jewish leadership, jews were the first to flee the country before all drafts started for native Ukrainians, and its lands are thoroughly promised to Blackrock and other core jewish companies if the globohomo side of the conflict wins. They are open about the demographic replacement. It's jewish; since you already proudly made so many leaps in logic in this thread about my beliefs, let's see how you handle me doing it instead when describing yours. I would guarantee that you're one of those natsocs that fell for the Ukrainian propaganda side of the war, too stupid to realize it was a trap to waste European blood, including the faux Azov Battalion with jewish commanders. I would further guarantee you have too much sunk-costs on that front to ever realize it. You probably had some friends or people you like fruitlessly die in that jewish-made brother war. Countless fascists and natsocs, on the other hand, immediately saw through this early on (which you were too dumb to do).
>2) Khazaria consisted of large chunks of Poland, Ukraine, and other sections under the Russian Empire. Belarus is also under the Russian Empire. Jews are packed to the brim in these areas between the time of Khazaria and the time of the Chabad movement's genesis. These are not coincidence; correlating these with one another is completely logical. Further pairing it with the strategy of ethnically cleansing Ukraine (and core former parts of Khazaria) in order to restore an Israel 2.0 especially combined with the failing state of Israel 1.0 is very clear writing on the wall.
>3) Jews are (not) European / kikes are (not) semitic
<Ashkenazis are mostly European Jews, aka Jews with White blood with mostly Southern European and Eastern European admixture. Ashkenazis are mutts, but less of mutts than the latinx whose DNA is a mixture of niggers, Whites, and Mesoamerican indians. They're more of Euromutts than say a racial conglomerate.
<That still means they're Semitic. Jews are at-least 50 to 70% Semitic on average. Their ancestry can be found mainly in the Middle-East with European admixture.
When we say jews as a generalization, we refer to Sephardic and especially Ashkenazi since they represent the majority. As proven with your very own words earlier which I pasted here in contrast to your recent claim of them being majority Semitic, they have majority European blood despite not at all being European Whites. Yet we cannot call them Semitic either, precisely due to this majority non-Semitic blood (not to mention the nigger blood and other admixtures). They are the chiefest of all mutts, an anti-race, and again being hybrid mongrels—they cannot be accurately called Semites. Imitation sandniggers, yes, but not sandniggers.
<Chadbad Jews aren't the ones who rule the West.
Lol. Lmao. Rofl, even. Not even going to address this one. Next you'll be telling me that Trump is a Christian, his son-in-law doesn't have Chabad ties, and that all of his grandchildren are not jewish.
I saw a sketchy African immigrant loitering outside of the local Catholic school at dusk and asked him what the fuck he was doing. Turns out he was the priest praying the rosary lmao. Absolutely cooked. He could barely speak English
Why can’t we have Judaism but for whites? Just replace yahew with odin, nords and germanics as God’s chosen people and northern europe as the holy land.
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>>14262
It's called Christian Identity. It's fucking retarded because the moral character of the old testament is totally alien to Aryans (circumcision etc.).

We don't need Judaism for whites, but we do need a self-conscious white elite. Most white people are not rational actors and need to be guided benevolently by our alternative media and organizations
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Our preserved holy texts don't support "Judaism for whites" because our moral nature is fundamentally different. I'm not denying that the Romans were willing to genocide people such as the Carthaginians or whatever. But honestly Jews are the most intolerant civilization in world history. White supremacy is one thing and TND is another. I think the ideal for everyone is an antisemitic (so anti-capitalist, anti-usury, pro-nationalism) codependent international order DOMINATED by white nations. Think reducing China to Japan status without literally killing people just for being le brown or whatever you psychos
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>>14264
<Think reducing China to Japan status without literally killing people just for being le brown or whatever you psychos
Certain ethnic groups are species-wide and planetary danger whether next door to you or across the planet. Jeets and jews are examples of two such ethnic groups, which absolutely cannot be trusted even if kept in isolation 1,000 miles away. Absolute cleansing of these is required, with no question. You can quibble and pilpul about other brown groups, but most of them will not leave European homelands except at the barrel of a gun after a sizeable majority of them are killed to demonstrate by example that this is not a fucking-around matter.

Only the most jew-headed and cuckold-loving of suicidal progressives can watch videos of White girls stabbed on trains or set on fire in the last 12 months, never mind being gang-raped, tortured, bleach poured on them, and burned to hide evidence with the nigger or sandnigger perpetrators defended by kike courts without having a perfectly sane reaction of TKD, TND, TJT, and TSND as the necessary response.
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>>14265 (I am just rambling)
It's kinda like this:
TND is needed for honor. 
TKD is needed as you've described, all other races also need TKD(also honor).
TSND is needed because they are hostile-hearted (and honor)
TJT - a different incarnation of jews, see above.

Chinks and japs are an interesting one, need to look at the score-sheet and make sure it is balanced, but they are really into torture so it's a toughie, we mog them deep in the dirt if we had any country and self-determinism at that level. I would say they are the least of the evils race-wise. 

I really want to get to white core groups in their respective places and keep the individual races within whites and compete with them till superabundance/singularity/transcendence.
Fucking purge everything and bring the flame back, life isn't a game and the clock ticks.

To be on topic, I've got to continue my study of Old-Norse so I can understand more of my ancestors virtues, I like the voice of our ancestors pdf and similar from NSDAP but I want the pure source translated/understood by myself. 
Also with Christian-Identity the bible and everything is so fully jewish if you have a basic understanding of White virtues and being you would be repulsed by it. Just use logic and reason to find the objective positive philosophies you can choose from(that's what religion is) It all really boils down to taking care of you and your own kind first, sparing love for your people is putting them to the blade, what would someone put above their own people? hedonism, other races, condemning your people due to empathy? you are trading away empathy from your own and dimming reality. First nature of business is practical and tactical, be healthy and skilled, nurture healthy powerful kids/community and then use our own abilities stemming from us to overcome our situation and push forward, jewish/enemies have strong power held on us, but a lot of it is from our own people using white-brains a-la seath the scaleless. we will overcome if we continue onward
>>14264
>Our preserved holy texts don't support "Judaism for whites" because our moral nature is fundamentally different.
And is this “moral nature”the reason you’re cucked by other races? Especially the jews? If our moral nature was as same as the mongols or arabs would we ever be cucked by jews and treacherous elites?
>But honestly Jews are the most intolerant civilization in world history.
The concept of civilisation, if you think it logically, is unnatural itself. Many civilisations in the history collapsed by peoples who follow their natural collective instincts, and i have no doubt that such a civilisation like the west, will collapse by the hands of barbaric tribes again. Jews understand this very well unlike us, who are still dreaming of a utopian society that will never happen.
>I think the ideal for everyone is an antisemitic (so anti-capitalist, anti-usury, pro-nationalism) codependent international order DOMINATED by white nations.
<globohomo for nationalists
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>>14269
>The concept of civilisation, if you think it logically, is unnatural itself.
>Many civilisations in the history collapsed by peoples who follow their natural collective instincts
An opinion I have reluctantly come to accept.
People are not naturally sociable.
They aren't born with any strong loyalty.
You have to win them over with many fickle games--and they don't stay won over very long.
There is a relentless drive of honor, faction, opinion, vain-glory, & limitless virtues makes a mob mentality devoid of unity.
They don't kill or revolt out of duty or for justice--they kill out of opportunity or harm, out of opinion and faction again--they're primarily motivated by profit / self-interest.
That isn't to say in any beneficial way, like you'd think--"natural collective instincts"--the level of in-fighting and disregard breaks even that. If White men took over the world, then they'd immediately begin to turn on each other. Even in multiculturalism they'd rather turn on each other.
I reluctantly have to agree with Machiavelli & Hobbes on how people are. It's not a romantic view of society to parade about, but when you look at the state of people around you and their overall indifference... that is the conclusion I've come to.
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Does average joe not like niggers? yeah, that's so, you could say that is the case that average joe doesn't like multiculturalism. 
Sadly, we're no better than the Native Americans who faced with foreign invaders--while they dislike them--lack the real capacity to unite and get rid of them.
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>>14288
One of the extraordinary ironies is that the average joe hates niggers, trannies, multi-culturalism, dada centers, immigration, foreigners, faggots, the rich, and politicians. Technically, he also hates jews too but does so either in an ill educated manner or hates people who act like jews and hates every single jewish elite and politician and hates the jews he sees on TV while affirming that he doesn't literally hate jews.

Fascist views are extremely popular and if we lived in a direct democracy, especially if we could start it up in 1933, America would be indistinguishable from NS Germany. But even today, a the majority of White people hate all this bullshit but are never allowed to actually vote on it. They're only allowed to vote between two parties that both support these things but at different speeds and intensity. Naturally, Whites gravitate towards the slower and less intensely degenerate party.
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>>14290
It's much easier to play divide and conquer with people than to unite them.
Yet I don't deny that multiculturalism has been imposed over the generations--it is so heavily ingrained now that most people cannot think of life without multiculturalism anymore.
We are fed an induction of their food, their friendship, their servitude, their women, their culture, their music, their video games, their religion--it has come to a point where it's not easy to pry people away from all the above. 
A whole generation of children psychologically trained with children's television shows with the token multicultural characters.
Even most nationalists themselves have grown up in this environment where white children are raised by japanese manga and anime and video games, raised by black men in sports and music, raised by Jews in religion, etc. --I hate to describe how perilous the circumstances are, but that is the situation--the people have successfully been molded in ways to be dependent on multiculturalism in ways.
I watched a documentary on Kim Il Sung, and the documentary recommended peer groups would get together and accuse each other and use peer to control the group... it's not really -that- different with how the status quo is now with anti-racism--there's fear of social ostracism and that is reinforced to a strong degree, but now it comes more naturally because we really are a multicultural society.
The circumstances we find ourselves in... as much as we would hate multiculturalism... and live with the pain, it's also the case that we're so plugged into the multiculturalist matrix, that it is almost unthinkable to pull the plugs out now.
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>>14291
You're not wrong that the population has grown up infused with multiculturalism. Like a child raised by parasitic parents to hate himself.
However, I must push back on the idea that the average man is hopelessly enthralled by the regime.
Quite literally every time that the White masses are given a voice, they vote against what the regime wants. Britain is one of the most cucked places on earth. Yet even their own population voted against the EU. Why? Because of immigration. We all know it. Everyone knows it. They voted against the EU because the population of the most cucked up country in the world still hates immigration.
White Americans still voted for Donald Trump even though the media told them he is a fascist.
Donald Trump is not a fascist. He is not even a decent man. But the mere perception that he was anti-foreigner led the majority of White people to side with him. 

Deep down, the majority of our race agrees with us. Fear of negative peer pressure alone keeps them from revealing their true nature.
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>>14292
A lot of people have mingled with Mexicans at this point where I am that it is fairly common (but then again that is a blue state city). We're already in racial caste system mode like the Spanish Americas with a fair bit of low class whites mingling.
For the rest of the nation it would be a dilemma and obviously some white people themselves--who have grown accustomed to these liberties--would resent it if it were suddenly taken away.
I'd say that multiculturalism, while some people hate it, has also slowly be induced like a drug that people have become addicted to and it would be hard to rehabilitate people from the multicultural matrix at the same time. By now there's a great degree of internal resistance against getting away from multiculturalism, not only from the upper class that has become addicted to foreign labor, but also a great deal of ordinary people even.

>Immigration
I wonder if it really is a scenario where countries are being flooded because they cannot stop the influx of people trying to get in, but then again it probably wouldn't be too hard to stop if they were serious about it.
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Last thing I'll say on this topic is--ideally, if ever was a resolution that pricked people the least, would probably be like going full Argentina, where they tried to press for more White immigration and that was curated enough to bring the USA back a couple decades.
>>14290
Average Joe is a nigger/fag/tranny/immigrant/rich/jew. Step out of your bubble.
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>>14141
You're not up to date regarding the Chabad. They're definitely operating from Ukraine, and anon is right about what is going in Ukraine. It's been destroyed on purpose through this sham war that is used to cast a veil over the fact that it's an organized genocide doubling with a training center for weaponized drone tech combined with award-powered AI tech. This is what Jews will use against all of us. The other anon is also right that the ((( American ))) companies are carving up the bread basket of Europe. There are plenty of rare earth materials in the Eastern half of Ukraine, which Russia is partially in control of now. Putin recently invited those same ((( American ))) companies to help Russia exploit her own resources.
As for the genetic topic, Jews are one huge mess. The Ashekenaz branch is certainly the whitest and seems to have stabilized, although some of them Jews will from time to time draw the wrong straw and have their phenotype reflect something much more malignant and ancient (see the mimicry memes or >>11679). Rejecting the Khazar idea is unwise because we know some Jews went there, we know that out of nowhere the aristocracy of a place that was a dominating regional force, likely very miscegenated already in the typical way those countries tend to get with a mix of Turkic, long forgotten White lines and some other Asian inputs, decided out of the blue to convert to Judaism. That is the trademarked pattern of a strong Jewish intrusion likely fueled by money. Then we know how such things evolve: the ghetto Jews mix with some people of the higher class over many decades, they absorb some of that blood, and this is then definitely acquired. To what degree is the real question, as they certainly were some of them who were closer to the Jewish settlers and others who were closer to the local gene pool. Then at some later point the Judaized Khazar empire literally collapsed and was forgotten. Where did the Khazarian Jews go? They certainly either moved south back to the Middle East or moved closer to Europe, perhaps into Russia and then kept pressing on further west. At some point they met their other whiter skinned yet filthy brothers, not the browner Sephardim who were operating around the western part of the Mediterranean sea. The Current Ashkenazim seem to be a blend of that ancient Khazar branch and whatever eurokikes that hard already settled there earlier on.
Are they mutts? Definitely, but if you look into their orthodox communities, they definitely have stabilized around some kind of phenotype that is recurring, and it definitely became whiter over time. Things didn't get any better as eastern Jews from Russia, already very whitened, added their own genetics back into the pool. This same phenomenon is not helping us as it happens in the Western World and even has many Jews lament about the mixed mariages.
How much are they Semitic? Some of them definitely have a higher expression of typical Semitic physical traits, and certainly not the most honorable ones. For some of them, the Semitic part, the true one, is fragmentary, it's residual. Perhaps enough to unite them all, but to say they should be considered as Semitic as people of Lebannon or Gaza is a mistake. The Jews are crazy because they don't have a solid and well contoured biological identity, and that's already due to the fact that there are very different families of Jews, and I'm leaving the negro branch out of this.
>>14147
>Every dumbass who believes in the "MUH KHAZARS" bullshit believes that Ukraine will become some Jew colony as a reason for the Ukraine-Russian War pretending as if Ukraine and Russia haven't had ethnic and geopolitical conflict for centuries.
Except that in this case it's not ethnic, it's 100% Jew motivated and you're just playing dumb pretending Jews have nothing to do in this.
>Besides, you're just regurgitating retarded shit as if I'm some supposed to believe something that has zero evidence
Ukraine being ruled by kikes, kies being as usual exempt from war and fleeing it day one, war money being blatantly misused for personnal gains without even bothering laundering it because fuck goyim, Chabad being a Jewish religious stronghold in Ukraine, Russia being under Jewish control too, Ukrainians being taken by force then exterminated and replaced by sandniggers and other Asiatics, companies ran by Jews exploiting Ukraine, the Khazarian rebirth project not being much of a mystery anymore, etc. All of this does count for nothing to you? I'm likely missing some other points there but you, on the other hand, are missing the entire picture.
Do Chabad Jews rule the West? Not necessarily, they have influence over Eastern Europe, but they also are the most visible orthodox group today and hard to diffenrentiate from the other orthodox elements for outsiders. Can you make the different between the kikes that stand around Trump in the White House and those who stand around Putin in the Kremlin? I can't. For all intents and purposes, they're the same.
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>>14293
>but then again it probably wouldn't be too hard to stop if they were serious about it.
You have to remember they are law-biding and ignorant of their options.
>>14297
>Average Joe is rich
lol, lmao even

>>14293
I live in farmville and there are a lot of mexicans. Outside of highschool, there are no places where both mexicans and White people hang out together. Not at the bar, not at the... uh... hmm... that's odd, I cannot think of one other place normies hang out. Man, there's actually no social activities here. Phones did this. In any case, I never see Mexicans and White people hanging out together. 

>By now there's a great degree of internal resistance against getting away from multiculturalism, not only from the upper class that has become addicted to foreign labor, but also a great deal of ordinary people even.
Firstly, not nearly as intense as the reactionary seething that it would cause in the upper class.
Secondly, idk man. All my neighbors want the mexicans gone and they don't like blacks either.
>>14287
>Even in multiculturalism they'd rather turn on each other.
>I reluctantly have to agree with Machiavelli & Hobbes on how people are. It's not a romantic view of society to parade about, but when you look at the state of people around you and their overall indifference... that is the conclusion I've come to.

Machiavelli espoused 'the real', while Aristotle and other Greeks espoused 'the ideal' (which Machiavelli formed his own thoughts from). In other words, the way things are (de facto) and the way things ought to be (de jure). They are never to be confused with one another, as it is extremely dangerous to do so, but nevertheless both highly influence each other.

Hitler's Germany was a representation of an ideal and noble mindset, which dramatically affected the ways things really were. The de facto extremely competent and uber nation created would have never been achieved, without the people striving for the ideal, even though the ideal (perfection) itself was not achieved.

If our 'ideal' is a planet dominated and populated largely or exclusively by those of ethnic Europeans, the likely 'real' of a planet later being feuding ethnic Europeans after achieving this ideal is still infinitely better than a world dominated by jews and nons doing their best to exterminate all those of ethnic European origin. If I am going to call someone master / be enslaved (and my family) or be killed by them, it is better if they are an ethnic European on the outside (genetics) and inside (spirit / Aryan / pro-White in general) in the world we wish to create. That is why you must not let go of your ideals (giving into cynicism / being blackpilled which your post is straying into), while holding onto knowledge of the real (what you are also talking about, i.e., being redpilled about the reality of our situation / where it leads).
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>>14299
>Do Chabad Jews rule the West? Not necessarily, they have influence over Eastern Europe, but they also are the most visible orthodox group today and hard to diffenrentiate from the other orthodox elements for outsiders...
Speaking as the anon you referenced (not the one you replied to, whom I very strongly argued against), a very untapped area of research is figuring out what is going on between the Chabad working with Putin (and seem to have a very strong covert influence in Russia) vs the ones who have a very strong overt influence in Ukraine and the United States. Both are Chabad, both are actively undermining ethnic Europeans for genocide and replacement, but it seems by analogy that they are forming a sort of Orthodox vs Catholic feud with each other. If Chabad is the equivalent of the Catholic church in terms of reach and influence, it would seem one of these two is schisming to form a type of Orthodox rival.

I can't determine the root cause. These are hypotheticals, but if all things I've observed are true, the contention may be due to whether Ukraine is to serve as their true homeland again (Israel 2.0) due to biological and socio-cultural history, recognizing now that they are not truly semitic, versus their crusades and holy wars in the Middle East to preserve Israel 1.0 due to religious history reasons (the constant efforts to hold Israel is no different than the crusades, again strongly paralleling the Catholic church). A further divide possibly is that the cultural and secular Chabad jews recognize now that they are kikes while not being genetic semitic jews, seeing that Ukraine has economic value and is their real homeland anyways, while the religious Chabads are ignoring these realities, instead only striving to preserve Ukraine as an outpost and asset while resources are scuttled to secure Israel.
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>>14370
>Hitler's Germany was a representation of an ideal and noble mindset, which dramatically affected the ways things really were. The de facto extremely competent and uber nation created would have never been achieved, without the people striving for the ideal, even though the ideal (perfection) itself was not achieved.
It flew too close to the Sun.
Conservative elites and others within the ranks conspired and plotted. 
Hitler himself had to be a bit Machiavellian to even begin to establish his regime and force was necessary component--what I take from all this is definitely don't take anyone's loyalty for their word or think it will come naturally with the gentle breeze. It takes a lot of effort. Although I concede that Hitler was more of a man of ideals.
In the end, Germany pillaged by the communists, the Americans, and the Anglos, and other capricious forces which cannibalized it. Some remained loyal, others jumped ship.
When the enemy was closing in on Fascist Italy, the King and top-ranking Fascists abandoned Mussolini and also moved to abandon ship--like Machiavelli says, when the heat is on, that is when most people dip out and toss their counterfeit loyalty. I don't deny there are loyalists out there who would stand their ground, but they're the exception and not the rule.
Besides Germany, I think WW2 Japan & State Shinto represented the best to be hoped for in terms of resolve, but nonetheless in spite of their great resolve--also were bombed into submission, and ultimately chose self-preservation at the hand of an occupying enemy force.
Given these circumstances, when people are presented with life or certain death, they generally choose life / self-preservation, and there is a great difference between certain death and death--certainly without this fear of nigh certain death, conquerors cannot hope to conquer, so this fear is a great asset to take consideration of, and the best asset in conquering is when their confidence that they own it. Although not most would persist against nigh certain death--and if individually, not collectively.

>(giving into cynicism / being blackpilled which your post is straying into)
I am already blackpilled in all honesty. By default, I don't consider people reliable that way. I'd say to seek out the opportunity, but definitely don't take anything for granted since everything is fragile and brittle.
Since I know blackpills are frowned upon, I'll stop talking there.
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>>14396
Don't forget Hitler was targeted with multiple assassination attempts long before WW2.
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>>14478
Nigg is 100% fake and gay, entirely astroturfd. He clearly sold out. 

I'm certain Nick has no fans and his fanbase are literally all shills doing 100$ donations to ask loaded questions in attempts to gatekeep and make the little audience he has into fence sitters. Looks like the jews basically want a new alex jones to dilute the inflamed anti jewish situation and it's obvious, but they can't find anyone because they're all literally fucking retarded, because only retards trust jews. The absolute state. LOL

Their careers are over, a month ago that stupid kike ben shapiro had to shut it all down recently. They're just fake and gay failed shills at this point bots and shills jerking each other off.

>"epstein had vibes bro!!!!!!!!!!!"
lol no chance of recovery
>>14396
Same anon you replied to.

>Hitler himself had to be a bit Machiavellian to even begin to establish his regime and force was necessary component--what I take from all this is definitely don't take anyone's loyalty for their word or think it will come naturally with the gentle breeze. It takes a lot of effort. Although I concede that Hitler was more of a man of ideals.
Agreed. Savitri Devi in Lightning and the Sun said that he had too much Sun, and not enough Lightning, even though being one of the most reliable sources I can think of on national socialist ideology. It's fair to say she was his biggest fan, besides.

>In the end, Germany pillaged by the communists, the Americans, and the Anglos, and other capricious forces which cannibalized it. Some remained loyal, others jumped ship.
Other anons have pointed out that if Hitler didn't make his move, it would have been completely destroyed by communism internally (the civil war before he really took power or alternatively, after he took power and if he didn't do anything to quell it further) or destroyed externally from Russia's communist expansion. The Soviets had already shown themselves more than willing to do the rape-murder-pillage to millions of others under their own empire.

>I am already blackpilled in all honesty. By default, I don't consider people reliable that way. I'd say to seek out the opportunity, but definitely don't take anything for granted since everything is fragile and brittle. Since I know blackpills are frowned upon, I'll stop talking there.
People have differing opinions on black-pilling. I should have clarified and said that black-pilling is when you lose the spark of all hope, while the darkest of red-pills is still holding onto that flicker despite being very grim (which I was trying to commend you for). Just don't lose the flicker (what I had feared your post was straying into).

As a minor educational note that you may appreciate, Machiavelli himself, although very good at intrigue and red-pilled, was himself not black-pilled. His far larger works than The Prince such as The Discourses on Livy show that he was far more of an idealist, especially his praise of republics. Few people know or mention that besides being tortured medieval-style for unfortunately being caught up unfairly in some of these very same political intrigues he discussed in The Prince, he formed and led one of the first all-volunteer military units known in history and did quite well following the principles he wrote about about volunteers and in The Art of War (same name as the Chinese one). He still ultimately lost due to a massive size and funding disparity against invading armies, similar to Germany and Hitler, but I think it's important to see how even these men accepted that a horrific loss is how it goes.

>>14399
>Don't forget Hitler was targeted with multiple assassination attempts long before WW2.
Most of the assassination attempts were by greedy and/or very incompetent aristocratic officers divorced from the realities and military experience of the soldiers below them, planning their assassinations from afar out of fear, during a time when you could walk up and kill Hitler at any time if someone had the courage to do a suicide mission. I think that's very telling of the level of adoration and security he possessed from the people, his own units, and his own leadership personnel.
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I find it funny how christcucks say that the Jews of the Bible were totally Aryan just like me, señor, but at the same time they say that Jews killed Jesus (which may as well be their main reason for supposedly hating them). Cognitive dissonance?
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>Deuteronomy 10:17-19
>17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
>18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
>19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
>Leviticus 19:33-34
>33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
>34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
I think that faggy neighbour loving shit predated Christianity by a long shot.

>Matthew 22:37-39
>37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
>38 This is the first and great commandment.
>39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
What if my neighbour is a nigger or a kike?

>Exodus 20:3-5
>3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
>5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
I'm reading that as don't make statues that show your own race in any favourable way that could pose a challenge to Yahweh.
In fact it sounds so stupid that I get the feeling that having a statue of a fish is already sinful.

>Luke 14:26
>If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
>Matthew 10:37–39
>He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me... He that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
>Luke 9:23–25
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily... For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose himself?
>Mark 3:31–35
>Who is my mother? and my brethren?... Whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
>Matthew 10:34–36
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword... A man's foes shall be they of his own household.
>Acts 5:29
>We ought to obey God rather than men.
>Romans 13:8–10
>Owe no man any thing, but to love one another... Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Would you say that obeying that god is more important than protecting your family, obeying principles that guarantee that family's well being and survival against enemies?

>>14481
>People have differing opinions on black-pilling. I should have clarified and said that black-pilling is when you lose the spark of all hope, while the darkest of red-pills is still holding onto that flicker despite being very grim (which I was trying to commend you for). Just don't lose the flicker (what I had feared your post was straying into).
So the brightest of red-pills is good?
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>>14571
They try to square that circle by claiming the kikes of today are fakes that hijacked their traditions, culture and iconography in an effort to supplant the Real Jews Who Are White Actually. It's not just brain-meltingly retarded but also immensely pathetic because it reveals christcucks see jews as their superiors to the point they want to be the jew. They have no ethnic concept of themselves and that claim is the smoking gun.
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>>14371
>it seems by analogy that they are forming a sort of Orthodox vs Catholic feud with each other
On what basis do you make that claim that certainly generates more useless confusion? Whatever Jews do, whether they disagree with each other, always serves their interests while it is certain that they all stand against Whites. I see no value in playing the game of blue Chabad vs red Chabad.
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>>14572
This only applies to Jews.
You don't have Egyptian ancestry, or the shared history as those mongrels.
>>14574
>Both are Chabad, both are actively undermining ethnic Europeans for genocide and replacement
I was clear about stating they are unambiguously both bad (and must be destroyed). 

<On what basis do you make that claim that certainly generates more useless confusion?
False. This is not like retarded or needlessly complicated such anons saying "it's da jesuits, it's the illuminatis actually'. The Western pro-Ukraine branch clearly is packed with jews running the war (all of the Biden / Trump family, NYC, Zelensky, Ukraine's leadership, even Azov's commanders), while the big influence of Chabad and jews is also present with Putin. It's not strange in the slightest to assume there is some red vs blue conflict here. They will put aside their differences to destroy you, goy, without a doubt—but there is something making them butt heads over Ukraine and Russia.
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>>14578
The real question is this: How do we use the jews' internecine conflicts to advance the NS cause?
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>>14579
A good question which I have no answer for. There's utility in pushing the Khazaria origin of Chabad and the Ashkenazi, since it delegitimates their religion, culture, and any presumption of legitimacy in the Middle East. Since the secular and atheist's socio-culture is derived from the religious ones, it also damages them. Like any good propaganda, it also seems to be true. The Zionists' reputation in the ME massively has damaged the reputation of all jews including the anti-Zionist ones, so the argument that it legitimizes jews as 'European' by pushing Khazaria also collapses—they're reviled by everyone below the age of 40 now. It has the added bonus of spreading attention and resources between two fronts (Ukraine aka Israel 2.0 vs Israel 1.0 in the ME).

I'm not sure if NS can do much to foment discord between the Russia and Ukraine Chabad groups, unless one has more loyalty to Israel than it does to Ukraine. Other anons may have better ideas than I do about how to succeed with this.

It should be noted that Argentina seems to be a third back-up plan in case Ukraine and Israel fails, since the collapse of the US is guaranteed if those two fail (because the US would sooner collapse than have those two fail according to those currently in power). Jews which have no claim and presence in their biological homeland in Khazaria nor their religion's spiritual homeland is a big win. For NS, I'd say foment the divide of Ukraine vs Israel, keep pushing that zionist and anti-zionist kikes are equally harmful and dangerous / need to be treated as one group for propaganda purposes, and for Spanish-speaking NS, get the people of Argentina redpilled as much as possible (use the rape and child trafficking jewish cults in Central and South America as a pain point).
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>>14591
>and for Spanish-speaking NS, get the people of Argentina redpilled as much as possible (use the rape and child trafficking jewish cults in Central and South America as a pain point).
Got any books, infographics, videos etc. in the subject? Every little bit helps.
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>>14595
Sure, I'll post some plus archive links here in a bit for you.
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>>14595
https://web.archive.org/web/20250528173217/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/guatemalan-jewish-sect-lev-tahor-children-rescue-b2668298.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor

>The group has moved frequently, being located in Israel from 1988 to 1990, the United States from 1990 to 2000, Israel again from 2000 to 2003, Canada from 2003 to 2013, Guatemala in 2013 (after fleeing Canada),[1][15] Mexico since around 2017,[15] and in late 2021 - early 2022 they moved between several Eastern European and Balkan countries: in February 2022 they were present in North Macedonia after a short stay in Sarajevo in Bosnia after already being deported from Romania, Turkey, Albania and Moldova.[16][17] In late 2025, Colombian authorities rescued a number of minors from Lev Tahor members who had arrived in the country a month prior.[18] They often move in an attempt to flee government child welfare agencies.[19]

Key points here: the cults are active in Colombia, Mexico, Guatemala, Israel, Europe, Canada, etc.; playing up the fact that they're likely to migrate to Argentina as the hammer comes down hard on all jews is a guess, but it's a very reasonable one. This cult in particular is a great example to show how international the jew is, especially how New York jews got involved.

Propaganda by jews in the media for many decades has actively demonized Europeans who have compounds, try to get away from society, etc., so this very paranoia and loathing that jews created can be used against them by automatically associating them with evil shit. Tying these together for an Argentinian (and SA / CA in general) audience should be straight forward.
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>>14600
https://archive.org/details/youtube-YC0HDYr37II

https://archive.org/details/youtube-Bb9DaDg9fLQ

https://archive.org/details/youtube-fJorjCCkSSQ

https://archive.org/details/youtube-8rizrEFQx5I

https://archive.org/details/rabbi-of-the-pure-hearts-inside-lev-tahor-2014-documentary-jew-cult-in-canada-fucks-kids
Bit of a tangent but I was thinking about it today. If magic did exist, would you advocate for using it to benefit ourselves and fight our enemies? Why? Why not?
>>14573
The "we wuz jews" theory is retarded but what I was pointing out exactly is the inconsistency with saying that "Jews killed Jesus" because in that case according to their own we wuz theory it means that White people killed Jesus, unless they're going to make up another retarded theory on top of that about how only the Jews who condemned Jesus specifically were the same Fake Jews™ as today, but the Jews who supported Jesus or were neutral about him were the Real Aryan Jews™.
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>>14620
I've seen both genuine natsocs and kikes be retarded about this issue, with little understanding on any front. For example, it's provable that modern jews (the overwhelming majority anyways) are not related to the original jews of around 70 A.D., while there is plenty of evidence to show that the original jews were themselves barely related to the ancient hebrews and israelites.

They seem to be a now-extinct Levantine group (the israelites and hebrews). The similar fate of the original jews is also squarely recorded by secular, (modern) jewish, ancient jewish, Roman, and Western sources. 

On a separate but related topic that often draws hellfire in threads, there's a number of groups which have followed the torah for thousands of years which are nevertheless not jews at all (being older than even the original jews), even by mainstream sources and definitions, so it gets very tiresome dealing with the ignorant Adam Green LARP-pagans and kikes both which repeat ad nauseum that following the torah makes you a jew automatically, thus 'proving' that modern jews are the original jews which are also the ancient hebrews and israelites.

We haven't even touched the judeans, judahites, and other subtle distinctions which I've most definitely found the CI camp to be much better educated about to an embarrassing degree. All this to say that the we wuzzing that CI's do is understandable, given the fact I struggle to think of any other group in history besides jews that has so many levels of LARPing involved to sift through which allows CI room to ply their trade.
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>>14620
>The "we wuz jews" theory is retarded but what I was pointing out exactly is the inconsistency with saying that "Jews killed Jesus" because in that case according to their own we wuz theory it means that White people killed Jesus
NTA, but I'm not sure that truly follows.
It was the Pharisees and adherents who condemned Jeshua to death over Barabbas, and I'd posit that the Pharisees at the time were probably similar to the difference between 1940's republicans and 2026 Neo-cons.
I'm not CI But some of their arguments are compelling.
This all keys into whether or not the Bible has been so heavily tampered with, (my belief,) by jews and shabbos Goys, as to render it unusable as any sort of historical document, other than the things that  (((  they  ))) couldn't possible sweep under the rug.

I seem to recall in my early studies as a kid, that HEBREW had an original context of "The raiders from across the river Jordan" or some such.
For me, at this point, the arguments about who is who, and What, is about as plausible as fanfic fags arguing over the finer points of canon in a fictional universe.
>pics 
Are NOT my strict beliefs, but presented as context.
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And here is the ((( "jewish" ))) belief regarding Jesus.
*Remember: they were the primary owners of the publishing companies.

I'll admit, much of disgust with modern "Christianity" comes from Evangelicals and the bleed over into many other sects, which seems strange, doesn't it? For the ONE TRUE RELIGION to be as divided as the builders of the Tower of Babel.
>>14578
You have not proved that there was any real conflict. At best there's just a competition on who's going to get the lion's share and who will get the scraps, like in a game.
Why should I go for one side or the other when there is no fundamental difference worth noting? Unless, again, you do have such evidence.
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>>14629
<Why should I go for one side or the other when there is no fundamental difference worth noting? 
I never said you should. But that rivalry and competition is important to note, and it's absolutely something to take advantage of as a schism between them if we can. Are you one of those low IQ natsocs who sided with Ukraine because he fell for Zelensky's jewish propaganda, hired on with the reddit trannies, and probably saw his friends get blown to bits along side of them? It'd explain a lot. As said before, other natsocs and fascists saw right through this whole thing since the beginning, yet you have a massive emotional burden preventing you from seeing the obvious.
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>>14630
Divide and conquer, in other words.
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One of the the reasons i do not believe in the theory of “joos ar not da real joos” which christcucks push for is that it’s not just bullshit, but it also feeds the pro-Palestinian fags’ agenda that Israeli jews are actually “white European settlers” and not real Semitic jews. We need to be cautious for what we publicise for not letting our enemies use it against us.
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>>14625
A good effort post.

>>14632
Yes.

>>14637
Too bad. Your spiritual forefathers got gang-raped by the Romans (literally), your second temple taken apart brick by brick, your priesthood slaughtered, your ancestral records for priesthood burned, the daughters of the priesthood trafficked into sexual slavery, and the few survivors fleeing to Khazaria and elsewhere to breed with the females of other lands explicitly against the now-matrilineal religion of nu-Judaism. The only survivors converted to Christianity before any of this happened or intermarried with the Palestinians, which are now the ones you've been genociding. Even your Talmud chronicles these events (billions is the figures they use, in true jewish hyperbolic lying fashion), outside of the far more accurate Roman census records, Roman historians, and Josephus saying so.

It's not necessary to prove who the israelites and hebrews were, when we can prove who they were not.
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>>14640
If the “khazar jews” theory was true, the NSDAP would be the first to note it. But no, hitler and his friends believed that modern jews are related to ancient hebrews, and this is obvious from the film they have produced (the eternal jew). So get the fuck out of here with your christcuck bullshit.
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>>14641
Khazars being converts of judaism was a cutting-edge and novel concept even around the time of Hitler's Germany (1918 was the latest of its introduction). Stating that the remnants of jews fled there to begin conversion and intermarriage (proper Khazar Theory) follows from this, meaning it took place after the war.

<So get the fuck out of here with your christcuck bullshit.
REEE. Haha, you don't even know your own tribe's origin.
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>>14642
>...so they led him away and killed him.
MORE of this, Please.
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>>14643
Is that a line within the Gittin 57b? I could consult my copies of the Babylonian Talmud, and see what ancient jewish, older, and contemporary rabbanim had to say in their commentaries / research.
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>>14645
<If the ancient jews went to khazaria and “racemixed” with the locals there, than that doesn’t mean just because they had marriages with the turks then there links to their ancestors is cut off. You’re talking about Eastern Europe jews but what the mizrahi jews who are closer to the ancient hebrews of all the others? Are these also “khazars” to you my retarded jew on a stick worshiper?

Incessantly throwing out cross-nigger insults against me will not disprove your holy texts, Roman census records, Roman historians, jewish historians, and contemporary historians' accounts. Sorry, little kike. I have all the cards-- your own holy texts, sources such as Wikipedia which are thoroughly under jewish control, plus the genetic studies to back up my claims (all on hand). You, by contrast, have never even read the talmud or studied the kabbalah.

You have nothing but seething insults which aren't even true to begin with. What's next, are you going to call me a jew because I know so much about your own religion and culture? I've posted in detail about various indigenous European Pagan religions elsewhere, along with insights from my readings of the qu'ran and hadiths. Am I a Christian-Jewish-Muslim-Pagan-Atheist NSDAP European Supremacist glownigger who hates glowniggers based on the logic of your insults? Kek.
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>>14646
And yeah, let's talk about those Mizrahi. You must be mentioning THESE fuckers, your closest claim. They're race-mixed as shit too and far from the order of inheritance biologically in lineage from ancient hebrews and israelites, besides not even representing the average kike.

The best surviving genetic claimants are either the palestinian christians or the samaritans, which is exactly what I've said. In terms of spiritual and religious tradition, it's the samaritans in closest lineage, which are not jews and far older than the modern jew, to make this even funnier. And even the samaritans were considered racial and spiritual foreigners by israelite, hebrew, and original jewish (circa 1-70 AD) standards!
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>>14644
yeah, it's in your 2nd pic about 6x?
>>14648
SAME anon as before BTW
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>>14650
I'll see what I can do, anon. I was curious myself who this referred to: 'There was a prophet among us who used to reprove us for our irreligion, and we worse up against him and killed him, and for many yearsh is blood has not rested.'

Since they're close together, I'll look into it for you and post any findings.
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>>14652
we rose up against him and killed him, and for many years his blood has not rested*

Captcha is being shitty, and it won't let me delete the old post.
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>>14643
The prophet evidently metaphorically refers to Zechariah, since the passage is citing II Chronicles 24:20-22. Nebuzaradan II refers to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, who destroyed the first temple.

>20 And the Ruach Elohim came upon Zecharyah ben Yehoyada HaKohen, which stood before HaAm and he said unto them, Thus saith HaElohim, Why transgress ye the mitzvot Hashem, that ye cannot prosper? Because ye have forsook Hashem, He hath also forsaken you.

Given that Zechariah and Nebuzaradan II was a full 600 years before the events being discussed, the metaphorical reference is present, but the passages seem to be referring to a near-contemporary prophet of the times right before the three Jewish Revolts. They also seem to be intentionally paralleling Nebuzaradan II's destruction of the first temple, along with the Babylonian conquering of the Israelites / Hebrews, with Emperor Hadrian's destruction of the second temple and conquering of all Judea.

The passages you refer to are a series of suicides and slayings, notably to give the idea that jews 'kept their honor' by committing suicide instead of accepting conversion, but this is in contradiction to the forcible sexual slavery accounts elsewhere in the Talmud, besides Roman and other jewish accounts such as from Josephus. Genetic studies as provided before also match these less-than-noble realities. Seems to be cope in their mythos, similar to the ones found in the Torah of them vanquishing their enemies in the end by noble conduct despite records stating such emperors and kings were merely passing through onto actual target nations worth conquering.
>>14654
Re-reading these passages with the additional scholarly notes, I didn't originally catch that all of the surviving male jewish youth were also being sold as catamite sexual slaves. Seems Wikipedia, contemporary historians, and modern rabbis downplay the level of complete humiliation and conquering present in the Talmudic accounts, although this isn't much a surprise.
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>>14655
As a final note, one can see from these numbers "four million plus six hundred thousand on six hundred thousand", one likely derives the first original magical numerology "six million" figure (if we accept the conservative figures given), which is one of many cases demonstrating this apocryphal number of exaggeration in history. Otherwise, the figures range from forty million to billions, which is also very accurately follows jewish tradition of extreme lying and hyperbole to get an image or idea across.
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>>14654
No need to look it up for me, Anon.. It's right there in the pic you posted, and in pretty plain text.

Also, nothing against (you) personally, but I call BULLSHIT on the jewish "Example" of Iron combs as torture devices. That is clearly a farming implement designed to be affixed onto a pole, and was probably utilized for baling hay and straw for livestock, much like our current iteration of the pitchfork.
You see, as it turns out, MOST of the "Medieval Torture devices" were made up entirely, and long after the fact. A conjuring up of sick fantasies we have become accustomed to seeing from the absurd accusations from "HoloHoax survivors" like the HOLOCOASTER, and the masturbation machine.
I'm not saying that torture didn't exist, because clearly things like the Cat'o'Nine tails and other methods such as "Breaking on the Wheel" are documented, but so much of it is FAKE and jewish.
>"...A jew will always tell you WHAT happened to them, but never WHY..."
I'd be willing to bet that 80%+ of the torture methods that the jews wrote about were little more than conjured LIES, made to add a more dramatic sense of gravitas to their Wailing, all while likely perpetrating the same or worse on  the Goyim, simply due to their hatred and bloodlust.

Well, I just looked it up, and it turns out it was a general purpose grabber used mostly in kitchens, but sometimes for getting things out of wells or dying wool.

Only a jew would look at something like that and immediately think
>OY VEH! It's for TORTURING JEWS!!1! It's annuda SHOAH!
There was No mention whatsoever of it being used as a torture device, even in the military applications of it.

My only point with this is that you can't take anything written by kikes at face value, for it will always be filtered through their cracked lens of "They persecuted us for no reason whatsoever!"
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>>14659
>My only point with this is that you can't take anything written by kikes at face value, for it will always be filtered through their cracked lens of "They persecuted us for no reason whatsoever!"
I've been careful with balancing talmudic accounts by looking at Roman accounts, records, scientific consensus, and other third-party historians. 

From my long reading of jews and their neurotic method of story-telling by means of absurd exaggeration, one can sift through the lies to find kernels of truth. If an event killed thousands, they will claim millions; if an event killed millions, they will claim billions. If a conquering emperor laid waste to their tribes, they will say that the emperor laid waste, but spared their last son, moved by their loyalty to their god, before converting to judaism himself (an anon at the top of this thread related this very well, on the very topic of the Babylonian king). If some treasonous criminal partisans were locked up in a camp before they could be shipped to Madagascar and died of typhus, it's the skin lamps, masturbation machines, and Prince of Persia torture rooms converting six gorillion inmates into soap bars, as you say.

I think you may be right about the torture instruments, but then I think again of how uncompromising the Romans were if repeated negotiations and diplomacy failed. We might deduce that some serious scourging and other means were employed against key captured jewish leaders and their families, after the failed jewish revolts. The talmudic account posted also seems to blend the same method with the Babylonian account six hundred years prior.
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>>14660
>I've been careful with balancing talmudic accounts by looking at Roman accounts...
Don't get me wrong, I believe you have.
I was being more general for the discussion.
>Prince of Persia torture rooms converting six gorillion inmates into soap bars
I have that one...(amongst others)
>pic(s)
I wonder what the historical context of the tale of Sodom & Gomorrah was. Even if it's fabricated wholecloth, it was likely based on something.
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>>14642
>Khazars being converts of judaism was a cutting-edge and novel concept
It was a retarded concept. This is one of the problems I have with modern NatSocs, you think Hitler and Nazi Germany were gods or a godlike civilization when they had their own faults. The Khazar theory is Jewish bullshit.
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>>14669
For Sodom there is two candidates of cities that were destroyed in the bronze age, mainly Tell el-Hammam who was salted, making their fields infertile and there is a theory that was destroyed by a meteor (airburst). 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_el-Hammam
Then there is this other city: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab_edh-Dhra

And for Gomorrah this one 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeira
or maybe another one called Nimrim.
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>>14671
In other words, yet another kike revenge fantasy for being kicked out after acting like kikes?
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>>14672
No… jews didn't even exist yet. It's basically an unverified story about their god wiping out some Levantine cities for wickedness, such as inhospitality and sexual immorality.
>>14670
<it's retarded, just like the original hypothesis of the khazars converting to judaism was retarded!
<yes it was proven, yes jews fought against it for decades exactly like the khazar theory
<why yes, I am taking up their same exact stance about it
<no I can't explain away the genetic reports already posted from the multi-year genome studies from John Hopkins lining with the khazar hypothesis
Yeah, I thought so. You are quite seriously a jew or one of those 50 year old+ retarded varg-tier fags who make the CI's look educated and wise. There's no excuse for this; you have nothing to back it up besides 'n-nah i don't like it and jews don't like the theory either, so i must follow my masters'. Saged.
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>>14674
>yes it was proven, yes jews fought against it for decades exactly like the khazar theory
Lmao putting words in my mouth, nigger.

>no I can't explain away the genetic reports already posted from the multi-year genome studies from John Hopkins lining with the khazar hypothesis
You're the dumbest nigger on this board. John Hopkins didn't run shit. It's Eran Elhaik, one dude who dropped a single flawed study pushing the Khazar origin for Ashkenazis. His methodology got absolutely shredded by actual geneticists like Doron Behar, who showed Jews are straight-up Near Eastern with Mediterranean mix. Zero credible studies show meaningful Turkic admixture in Ashkenazis. You're braindead, probably a kike shill too. Jews love peddling this cope nonstop. I could break down exactly why Ashkenazis can't be Khazars and how the whole theory was cooked up by a communist Jew in the first place, but I know you'll just seethe harder and spit out more goychute-tier retardation.

>You are quite seriously a jew or one of those 50 year old+ retarded varg-tier fags who make the CI's look educated and wise
>Y-you disagree with me? J-jew!
The fucking irony from a mouthbreather who can't even link or read the study he's gargling. The average niggermonkey in Nigeria has more functioning brain cells than (You).
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>>14703
>Lmao putting words in my mouth, nigger.
Yes. That's how shitflinging on IBs work, erev rav.

>You're the dumbest nigger on this board. John Hopkins didn't run shit.
Elhaik worked there as a geneticist and researcher when this study was released, nigger. It's right in the article that was published if you read it on PubMed. It's commonly referred to as this, pack animal nigger. Talk about putting words in people's mouth.

>I could break down exactly why Ashkenazis can't be Khazars and how the whole theory was cooked up by a communist Jew in the first place
First off, your own sources are communist kikes for the pro-Rhineland hypothesis, so that's not an argument right there. Two, you keep on fucking forgetting and refusing to admit that the Khazars themselves being goyim religious converts was fought tooth and nail by kikes for the longest time. Three, use your fucking skull and think very hard: who taught the Khazarians their new religion? How did they learn the rituals and rites and texts and oral tradition? How would they have even found it as a political option? Ah, yes—kikes had already migrated and interbred. Never thought that one through on your own, did you?

>Doron Behar
Ah yes, the kike with massive stakes in the Rhineland hypothesis with his own competitive biotech company and prior research from years prior! Shocking he'd have any stake in wanting to make sure Elhaik's work is neutered.

>Jews love peddling this cope nonstop.
Yes, I'm sure they LOVE to point out their European mutt origins instead of pushing for a mythological-religious ME origin for said cultural and religious claims. It's not like they ever tried to say their Yiddish was not Germanic or tried to hide it for a long time out of embarassment. Let's ignore the fact that this undermines the foundations of their socio-culture and any claim to the ME.

>The fucking irony from a mouthbreather who can't even link or read the study he's gargling.
It's right here, schvartze erev rav mamzer:
>>14644
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>>14706
>Yes. That's how shitflinging on IBs work
Yeah, shitflinging happens, but that doesn't make disingenuous takes any less obvious.

>Elhaik worked there as a geneticist and researcher when this study was released, nigger. ... Talk about putting words in people's mouth.
Elhaik was at Johns Hopkins when that 2013 paper dropped. It was still a single-author paper by him. Hopkins didn't run a big team study on this; they just listed his affiliation at the time. The methodology, data choices, and conclusions were still Eran's.

>First off, your own sources are communist kikes for the pro-Rhineland hypothesis, so that's not an argument right there. 
Multiple independent studies (Behar 2013 with 20+ co-authors, others by Ostrer, Hammer, etc.) using genome-wide data show Ashkenazim cluster with other Jewish groups + Levantine/Middle Eastern + Southern/European admixture. No significant Turkic/Caucasus/Khazar signal. Elhaik's paper is the outlier that got shit on for bad proxies (using modern Armenians/Georgians as 'Khazars').

>Two, you keep on fucking forgetting and refusing to admit that the Khazars themselves being goyim religious converts was fought tooth and nail by kikes for the longest time
Historians accept the Khazar elite converted to Judaism around the 8th-9th century for it's in Arabic, Jewish, and Byzantine sources like the Khazar Correspondence. It wasn't 'fought tooth and nail' by Jews; medieval Jewish writers like Judah Halevi referenced it positively in the Kuzari. The debate is about scale (elite vs. mass) and impact on Ashkenazim, not whether it happened at all. But it's likely bullshit entirely, because many contemporary sources mentioning Khazars say nothing about Judaism and the archeology is lacking to draw a conclusion.

>Three, use your fucking skull and think very hard: who taught the Khazarians their new religion? How did they learn the rituals and rites and texts and oral tradition? How would they have even found it as a political option? Ah, yes—kikes had already migrated and interbred. Never thought that one through on your own, did you?
Nice usage of AI. Yeah, some Jews from Byzantium/Persia fled to Khazaria and likely helped with teaching rituals, that's how conversions often worked (missionaries/scholars). But that doesn't mean Khazars became the main ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews or replaced the Levantine component. There isn't any good evidence of massive Khazar migration westward into Europe that would swamp the existing Jewish communities from the Rhineland/Italy route. Genetics, linguistics (Yiddish is Germanic + Hebrew, not Turkic), and archaeology don't support it. A few Jewish teachers + elite converts doesn't = 'Khazars are the real Jews, interbred early. It's ignorant to come to this conclusion.

>Ah yes, the kike with massive stakes in the Rhineland hypothesis 
Elhaik is also Jewish, dumbass. They're both Israeli Jews. Hopkins could be a Jew too for all we know.

>Elhaik's work is neutered.
Yeah I should believe the retard who knows nothing about scientific studies and doesn't know how to read them.

>images
<first image shows that Jews have mixed Middle Eastern and European ancestry not Khazar DNA
<second image notably clusters Palestinians and Levantine Christians to ancient Canaanites 
Look at your own Samaritan/Levantine table. Samaritans and other local groups are closer to the ancient Israelite samples, which is expected.
<third image is Elhaik's paper which was already proven wrong
<fourth image plot showing Jews clustering between European and Middle Eastern/North African populations, separate from the Caucasus & Iranian cluster.
Ashkenazim sit shifted toward Europe, as predicted by the Rhineland/diaspora model. The PCA plot you posted shows Jews form their own tight cluster between Levantine/Middle Eastern and Southern European groups, not inside the North European or Caucasus/Iranian blobs. That's consistent across studies: founding Levantine component + European admixture, no meaningful Turkic/Khazar signal.
The data you posted undermines the Khazar theory.
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>>14725
<Nice usage of AI.
Get fucked. I was going to give this whole post a serious retort, but your absolute lying womanishness doesn't deserve a modicum of respect. I've been using em-dashes in my posts all throughout this thread, besides using them long before any rabbi gave you a blood-soaked suck job in synagogue on the sixth day you were born. They're beautiful, unlike your species.

This really is the legendary 93 jewish IQ we've all heard about: posts zero studies, got embarrassed at realizing I posted mine after being called out on it, hastily copied the AI-generated results for why the study had detractors (but didn't look into it), is too stupid to realize Behar is cited in the study many times over and there was excellent financial motives from Behar as a detracting group leading said opposing studies, still keeps building his argument around the John Hopkins study name even though that's what it is referred to in common parlance, keeps generating a bunch of babble I never said and is easily provable by checking my original posts, etc.

<Elhaik is also Jewish, dumbass.
I'm fucking well aware, you retarded kike. It negates that argument, the one that YOU MADE FIRST, which is why I said it. You really are a brown imitation sandnigger 93 IQ sub-animal, erev rav.

<Look at your own Samaritan/Levantine table. Samaritans and other local groups are closer to the ancient Israelite samples, which is expected.
You absolute lying fucking erev rav kike nigger. The other images were referring to a different anon with a different argument. I KNOW because I MADE that post! The samaritans and palestinian christians being a closer match WAS MY ARGUMENT. I'm done with you, schvartze erev rav mamzer.
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>>14726
>All this butthurt
Lmao, nice meltdown. Glad to know you still don't have an actual argument. Getting corrected on Elhaik being a solo outlier and the mainstream genetics doesn't make me a kike, it just means the Khazar theory is weak as fuck. You "MUH KHAZARS" types always pivot to seething when you get pushed back.

>Get fucked. I was going to give this whole post a serious retort, but your absolute lying womanishness doesn't deserve a modicum of respect. 
<I'm a gigantic butthurt faggot
>I've been using em-dashes in my posts all throughout this thread
<N-no, I'm not using AI because I've always been using le AI dashes!
Just learn how to speak proper English, faggot.

>This really is the legendary 93 jewish IQ we've all heard about: posts zero studies,
I’ve already mentioned multiple ones within my previous post, that counter the Khazar theory with broader data.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23241444/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20531471/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23052947/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10801975/

>got embarrassed at realizing I posted mine after being called out on it
>projecting
You didn't post shit that proves Khazar origins. Your graphs literally show Ashkenazim with Levantine + Southern European admixture and clustering between those groups, exactly the Rhineland/diaspora model, you know the one you were saying was kiked? You just threw up random tables and hoped no one would actually look at them. One of the behaviours of a shill or a retard who just learned the JQ yesterday.

>is too stupid to realize Behar is cited in the study many times over and there was excellent financial motives from Behar
Behar is cited because Elhaik re-analyzed his earlier dataset, retard. The 2013 rebuttal from Behar's team used better proxies and more data, and it got replicated by others. "Financial motives" is just cope with zero evidence. Elhaik has his own biotech interests too. This is why scientists trust replicated results over one solo paper.

>I'm fucking well aware, you retarded kike
If you were actually aware, you wouldn't have bitched about Behar being Jewish like it was some gotcha when Elhaik is also an Israeli Jew. It undercuts your whole "kike bias" angle.

>You absolute lying fucking erev rav kike nigger. The other images were referring to a different anon 
I addressed the images because they were in your reply when I called you for lack of sources. The Samaritan/Levantine tables and PCA still support the mainstream view. Local Levantines close to ancient samples, Ashkenazim shifted toward Europe with a Levantine base, no Khazar signal. Read your own damn post.
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>>14728
<Just learn how to speak proper English, faggot.
Ah shut the fuck up, erev rav mamzer. Didn't read any of your post, and I'm not going to do it from now on. Fun fact: I've been phone posting on the shitter or elsewhere without so much as auto-correct, which you got so intimidated into convincing yourself is AI. Your cope now is to illogically alternate with saying my English is poor, despite being better than yours by a long shot and to the point you confused a bare minimum effort phone post from someone with several standard deviations of IQ higher than you as 'AI'.

I'm glad to see the Khazar Law (no longer hypothesis or theory) is vindicated from our little spat—if a jew like you is this intimidated over it, it confirms anons' suspicions about its veracity. Over target, and all that.
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