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A lot of folks say that feudalism was great. It seems to me that serfs wanted to be free, though. If it was so great, why did the peasants revolt against it often, yet never in favor of it?
They didn't know the alternative was even worse.
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>>258949 (OP) 
1: the enlightenment was the latest hype
2: Everyone who resisted were murdered during the revolutions
3: Future generations were indoctrinated through Schooling
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>>258953
forgot to mention
4: Bankers and Traitorous lords Conspiring against the king decades leading to the revolutions, Painting him as a tyrant and themselves as altruists  who care about "The People"
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>>258949 (OP) 
Because it sucked dick.
>>258952
Well, it can't have been all that great if people rose up against it.

>>258953
>>258954
That this worked shows that the people didn't feel much loyalty towards the king. Also, feudalism wasn't really about the king, it was about lords owning people. If feudalism was good, centralization under autocratic kings is your enemy.
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>>258954
Wasn't that what followed feudalism absolutism? The king removing his lords from the chain of orders in favor of hired lackeys? That way demonstrating how what he could do to them could be brought back to him to taste later.
If Feudalism was so great, why isn't there a Feudalism 2?
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>>258971
All political systems are fucking trash because greedy lying nepotistic fucks always rise to the top since normal people just want to live their lives instead of becoming politicians and spend the rest of their lives fighting corrupt motherfuckers who don't play by the rules.
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>>258976
I agree and we should kill them.
That said, feudalism was nepotism set to max.
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>>258949 (OP) 
The industrial revolution
>>258978
If you want meritocracy, the one who defines what merit is is the ruler there.
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>>258975
Because.
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>>258980
This is wiser than virtually every single anon who shills for an aristocracy of merit.
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>>258986
Wait until that function gets outsourced to AI.
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>>258971
this was a thing which developed subtly through generations given the rise of the enlightenment, not to forget most normalfags eat up whatever is currently the acceptable norm or whoever has the loudest voice, its why they are competely tolerant of shit today they were against 10 years ago. 
both revolutionist rats and their jew swine waited for the right opportunity when the country was in crisis before striking it at its weakest. along with the backing of central bankers for manpower and propaganda, it goes to show how insidious the act of twisting concepts such as "liberty" and other enlightened nonsense could turn the average joe into a bloodthirsty savage given that you tuck the right emotional strings and give them this feeling of "belonging" and "Purpose" they get from being part of the mob Screaming
>"Liberty!"
>"Freedom!"
>"Fight Oppression!"
>"Down with the Tyrant!"
without knowing the cruel irony that they are being led off a cliff.
after all, the flock follow the Sheppard, and the Sheppard is whoever has the most power.
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>>258986
That was an observation, not a criticism.
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>>258949 (OP) 
It's because feudalism is proto bolshevism and functions no differently other than technology
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>>259015
Posts like these are the reason why Whites don't take fagshits and neetsocs seriously.
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>>259000
>along with the backing of central bankers for manpower and propaganda
Digits check out but how would central banking have anything to do with some backwater rural town in England revolting over Enclosures?
I cannot help but think that the people who lived there had some serious grievances with their elite or they wouldn't have killed so many of them.
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>>259064
Kike behavior is human behavior. Now wait for stormniggers running.
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>>259178
>>259178
Maybe after 1000s of years of being selected to take advantage of populations that are under dysgenics
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>>259183
Read the novel series by Maurice Druon "The Accursed Kings". Nobles there were trying to outkike each other and that was business as usual. Was that series smearing those who can't defend themselves anymore, or was he onto something?
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>>259178
Only insofar as kikes are technically humans. Doesn't mean we should roll over and die for them.
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>>259241
That was my explanation for the reason for
>some serious grievances with their elite
That era's nobles earning those grievances like kikes do now.
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>>259242
True. The aristocracy were basically jews. Not in the genetic sense, but they acted like jews.
Actually, worse than jews because jews are loyal to jewish interests. The nobles didn't even put their own ethnic interests first. They imported foreigners, hired mercenaries, and exploited their people and sent the money to foreign (often jewish) banks. That's worse than kike behavior. 
This is why I believe that all aristocrats should have been massacred in ~1000 AD or so. Florian Geyer was right. Kill them all.
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>>259243
Nobles from neighboring countries were more more genetically related than the ethnic folk ruled by them. Logical consequences follow.
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>>259195
>7 books
Ahh, I can't read
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>>259249
Aren't there audiobooks made from anything lately? I found that worthwhile to read, but that was long ago.
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>>259250
audiobooks are cheating
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>>259252
Maybe for learning a language sure
lol
>>259248
For example whose interests in particular should that guy represent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
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>>258949 (OP) 
Because sefs didn't know how much worse it would get. Jews hate strong Christian monarchies, so they are the only group that advocates against fuedalism.
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>>259272
Or his namesake from several centuries before, Rudolf I?
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>>259272
>>259277
Notice that both died without a legitimate successor. Bastards don't count for that purpose. What would be their motivation for putting any effort into their rule?
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>>259279
Basically the higher in rank they go, the more rootless and cosmopolitan they are. Doesn't that remind you of anything?
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>>259273
> they are the only group that advocates against fuedalism.
Them plus peasants... and the monarchs also.
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>>259286
It sucks for them because they really didn't know how good they had it. Went from serfs to wagecucks. Sad.
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>>259287
More economic stability during hard time
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>>259288
More freedom
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>>259285
And the bad example from above was aped by their courtiers and so on. As they say, fish goes bad starting from the head.
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>>259289
and they were happier with a purpose instead of this nihilistic consumerist culture we have now
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>>259287
>>259288
>>259289
>>259291
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_bioarchaeology
I'm sure that punchable YT nobody would like to experience the same conditions during his life.
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>>259294
tl;dr
>For example, the population exhibited a high frequency of spinal trauma, including compression fractures and spondylolysis. Vertebral trauma is indicative of heavy compression loads over long periods of time. The authors also studied osteochondritis dissecans, which can be caused by repetitive traumatic events and the overuse of joints due to physical activity. The study concluded that heavy workload and strenuous activities extended to males, females, and adolescents.
>>259294
right on time. Feudalism makes Jews seethe
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>>259299
Then why the average height during those times was lower compared to both preceding and later times? It was surely because of the good life they enjoyed, right?
>>259302
Typical full armor sizes might be telling too. Knights would eat better than the average peasant though.
>>259302
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-04-18-highs-and-lows-englishman’s-average-height-over-2000-years
The start of Industrial Revolution was the worst though.
>>259302
I am sure they would rather be a little shorter than worry about complications from diabetes and obesity. Mcdonalds anyone?
>>259302
malnutrition comes from being agricultural, if you don't have plants adapted for health and yield, or you don't have the chemicals needed to let them go ape shit
That isn't a short coming of feudalism
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feudalism was based because all the incel scum died out from disease or war.
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>>259315
Serious iron deficiency resulting in anemia and bone deformations in around half of population is a shortcoming though.
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>>259332
>having sex protects from diseases
>>259354
>caries can be the sole thing wrong with teeth
https://medicaljournalssweden.se/actaodontologica/article/view/36776/41915
What about enamel loss due to acidic foods and drinks or mechanical wear?
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>>259359
>mechanical wear
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>>259360
What about Injuns who used their teeth to soften animal hides? That also damages teeth. It might be practiced elsewhere too.
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>>259362
What about them? People chew on ice not good either.
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>>259348
>NOOOO fifteen is TOO OLD
>>259353
Again, problem with primitive agriculture, as well as limited technology. feudalism itself is what we (whites and some Asians) are adapted to as a system of government
I honestly think all the social 'progress' for the last 300 years is a result of dysgenics being allowed by technology to go on for too long, and what we have now this retarded inefficient system of government that literally just exists to shorten the time technology can keep us afloat
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>>259365
Problems like this persisting through centuries speak about the quality of governance. There are some greens rich in iron, right?
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>>259367
Sure, but they couldn't produce at the scale we can, and they didn't have technology to perform the proper experiments to know what was going on with the human body
it took us 200 years to figure out what treated scurvy, it isn't intuitive, and I would take a warrior king over eunuch bureaucrats any day of the week
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>>259368
Eunuch bureaucrats made chinks endure as a single nation for a long time, even after being invaded by Mongols. Nothing created by warrior kings lasted for a comparably long period. Alexander the Great, for example. Where is his legacy?
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>>259372
The chick's phenotype is what allows them their stability, it won't work for others, and it will make them stagnate into extinction when the next cataclysm happens 
>Where is his legacy?
The western civilization is the legacy of warrior kings, we don't get a choice in what we are adapted to
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Mah Boi
Feudalism is what all true warriors strive for
>>259287
Maybe you're right. But feudalism cannot have been that great if people revolted. Popular rebellions are extremely rare. Usually, conflict arises from rich nobles or elites with specific grievances. Or from nationalist uprisings. But the English peasantry (to name just one example) frequently revolted against noblemen at the end of the medieval period. So SOMETHING was amiss about it.
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>>259428
What we need is a more palatable version for modern times with a bit of Distributism and a hint of Georgism mixed in.
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>>259431
If clown world would hurry up and fall to pieces we might get it, but AI control grid will ensure it lasts another 100 years.
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>>259433
More like if fate would help kill off the boomers quickly. We'll see real change.
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>>259428
>But feudalism cannot have been that great if people revolted.
Eh kinda? My understanding of it is that, depending on the era, rebellions could be enacted if a segment of power was acting up like the Lords taxing the Vassals too much so they stop paying or stop giving men for the army. They relationship between those in power was contractual so if someone broke that contract it gives the other party free reign to take their stuff, usually mediated by the clergy in the early days but evolving to secular courts closer to the time of Absolutism, which is what most think when Feudalism is brought up. This applied to everyone and its how the Magna Carta was created.

Another point of discussion I've heard against the "peasants/serfs worked less than you" meme is that yes they did but maintaining everything else was also just as hard, but this begs the question that if the system was brought to our time would it mean that those working the fields would have a better time than most in the rat race today? I think it could work but it would have to be most certainly tweaked in some way. I've even had an acquaintance of mine move to the countryside with a very feudal setup as he and others working there help with making about 20% of the food they eat there, I assume they have a farmer that does most of the heavy lifting, but in exchange they get accommodation and free food of course. I'd have to ask him next time I see him how it is or even if he took the offer or not.
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>>259468
Feudalism was shit
Christian superstition prevailed.
Streets clogged with shit and piss
Atrocious hygiene 
Everyone had intestinal parasites
Landlord fucks constantly tried steal everything 
You were literally tied to a plot of land forever. Basically white slavery. Some fat ugly fuck Lord could kill you or rape your wife for no reason.

Medieval Europe was a shithole. The tribal era in Europe including the vikings at least had more freedom and a bit better hygiene.
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>>259469
If you had less lice than expected, it was a sign your health was failing, you know? The state of medieval medicine.
>>259431
I agree.

>>259452
This.
In the mean time, rock the boat however you can. Mentor the youth.
>>259468
Aristocrats revolting doesn't really concern me. The issue is actual people revolting. The best example is the 1381 uprising.

It's true that serfs worked fewer days and shorter hours than us. The issue, as I understand it, is that the lords began to absolutely fleece their serfs to the point where they were getting evicted from their own land and replaced by sheep for profit. And it was all legal according to feudal law. So the system of feudalism was broken. I'd rather not revisit this time today or base a modern political philosophy on something that led to people being evicted from homes their family had lived in for centuries so a lord could make 2% more profit.
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>>259487
Sound less broken than the modern system where we are fleeced even more and yet nobody does anything about it. 🤣
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>>259490
Try to revolt against inflation for example. Who is to be hanged? Too dispersed responsibility. Get too enthusiastic, and the cure would be worse than the illness. Like Pol Pot and his crowd.
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>>259490
>>259492
Maybe so. Feudalism in the 14th century may have been better than capitalism today.
But it still wasn't that great and we can do better.
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>>259495
>we can do better.
Not until we get another lobe in our brain that allows for some other order
WTF I LOVE FEUDALISM
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>>258981
Ew democracy 2
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Fuck being a wagecuck
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>>259569
>head of household
>all it means is you are the sacrifice
>will get abandoned by family and hated for no real reason
HAPPY LIFE NO WIFE
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>>259570
>no wife
But where am I supposed to put my peen after a long day?
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>>259573
your best friend your hand or cheap sex toy
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>>259575
>cheap sex toy
y. a poor
>>258975
because Jews
>>259302
do you think our height was because of all the healthy foods we consume or the fact they're stuffed with all sorts of growth hormones like in farm animals for maximizing the production of meat that have a significant effect on how our body grows?
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>>259064
normalcattle are controlled through circumstance and emotion
if things are going rough and you make up a story that gets them all emotional or scared, they become more than willing to kill even their own Children and find some way of justifying it.
Just Look at Covid, it was all an orchestrated bullshit Spook that normalfags to this day try and mental gymnastic their way into justifying their obscene behavior. it was truly an eye opener for the depravity of the common man.

If you know how to manipulate emotions with fears and a promise of liberation, you can get people to do, say, or believe any narrative.
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I read OPs thumbnail as
<Life as a Sperg in the Middle Ages
I think my scenario is funnier.
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>>259613
Fine. Check only medical records up to before 1985 or even before 1950 to be safe then. Or try to find if there was any bump in average height after those dates.
>>259615
>normalcattle are controlled through circumstance and emotion
And yet at this time, they were not under control. They were killing the people who ruled them. How wonderful.
Why can't we be like this?

>>259617
<Life as a Sperg in the Middle Ages
>Guys, I think that the jews are behind some nefarious plot to kill us all.
Medieval Normies: You're right anon... Let's kill them all!
*killing jews intensifies until king intervenes and banishes the jews*
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>>259631
>And yet at this time, they were not under control
they couldn't have, or else they wouldn't be able to overthrow the lord and his organized army.
there's a plethora of historical incidents where peasant rebellions ended in a bloodbath on their side when they come across seasoned soldiers and knights. far more than there are instances of peasants succeeding in overthrowing their lord which are few and far between. and typically with the support of another lord seeking to claim the fief for himself.
for a peasant rebellion to be successful, you will either need a very competent command structure, support from another lord, the lord is so corrupt and incompetent that his own soldiers turn against him, or support from another powerful organization supplying training and opening the castle gates your peasant rebellion.
otherwise, the disorganized mob will quickly break and route when faced with a disciplined and well armed formation.

tldr: 
normalfags can make a mess, normalfags can make a fuss
but normalfags alone cant overthrow a strong government.
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>>259667
>his own soldiers turn against him
gommunism oh fugg :DDDD
>>259569
>owned his own land
You're retarded lol
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>>259035
The similarities between feudalism (feodal society) and communism reveal fundamental principles of social structure, power dynamics, and economic systems, illustrating parallels beyond mere ideologies:

1. Social Structure: Both feudal societies and communist regimes consist of hierarchical layers. These groups share a common property (land or land resources), but their rights, privileges, and roles are fluidly adjusted through the exchange and redistribution of labor.

2. Property Ownership: In both systems, ownership is characterized by a clear hierarchy with limited, permanent, and sometimes semi-permanent possession of land. Lords (feudal lords) hold significant control over these lands, while serfs or peasants are bound to them for life or as long as they remain in service. In both systems the government owns the majority of the land, if not all of it.

3. Labor Redistribution: In feudalism, labor is redistributed according to the lord’s needs, often leading to a cycle where nobles accumulate wealth through land ownership, which in turn supports lords and their estates. Communal labor, communal goods, and collective decisions define communal life.
  
4. Social Mobility: Feudal society saw significant upward mobility influenced by patronage (lord-tenant relationships), meritocracy (nobility vs. serfs), and the redistribution of land among nobles and serfs, reflecting a broader societal aspiration in the name of equality.

5. Economic Mechanism: Both feudal systems and communist economies employ market mechanisms to allocate resources, distribute goods, and manage labor. These mechanisms include guilds, cooperatives, and collective decisions based on needs (e.g., food rationing, public works).

6. Social Class Structure: Communism places a strong emphasis on class differences (upper and lower classes) that are not merely about economic status but also reflect power dynamics, social hierarchies, and forms of coercion (e.g., forced labor, compulsory participation in collective activities). Feudal society's stratification is deeply rooted in resource allocation, familial ties, and servitude.

7. Technological Innovation: 
Both systems have evolved significantly through technological advancements—feudal tools, weapons, and agricultural practices, transformed into revolutionary innovations (e.g., mechanization in feudal times vs. modern industrial revolution).
>>259686
They were guaranteed plots of land to cultivate in a reciprocal relationship with their lord. In essence, they had more control and "ownership" over their land than we do in modern times where you never truly own anthing through chronic tax.
>>259692
feudalism is based in monarchy, and God ordaining hierarchies
communism is based on collective provision with an emphasis on the equality moral 
Tribal hunting and gathering has more in common with communism
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>>259702
Priests say that God says x.
But priests lie so their claims may be ignored.
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>>259667
Maybe not, but we can still try. Better than kneeling.
>>259703
Depends on if it is adaptive or not
>>259492
>inflation 
Funny how "hidden tax" on its Wiki page gets only 2 hits if searched. Still a surprise that it's there still.
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>>259694
Are you seriously claiming that serfs weren't taxed?
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>>259694
Dude, you are retarded.
People had tapeworms hanging out their ass back then. Tooth abcesses by 20.
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>>259712
Both were because a lack of medicine, not the system of government
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>>259712
Don't be dumb, modern governments didn't improve treatment, modern medicine did. If they had toothbrushes and more effective de-wormer back then they would have been healthier regardless of being ruled by a king.
>>259694
Medieval serfs and peasants were absolutely taxed. They were required to give a certain amount or share of their crop to the lord. If you only had enough to give the lord and it left you with nothing, so be it, figure it out. If you did not have enough to cover your taxes, you could be evicted. 

You were dependent on the leniency of your lord at that point. Sure there were some who would recognize a lack of rain that season and forgive it because they knew expelling a bunch of farmers for no good reason wasn't very helpful in the long run and the new batch of farmers would have had the same issue, but there were others who would simply see a lack of grain, chalk it up to laziness and kick your ass off the land.
>>259710
>In the feudal age, labor, like land, was not bought and sold, but allocated according to a system of use rights. The lord of the manor could claim as much as one-third of a serfs working time. The remainder of the time, serfs would produce for their own households.
>A slave was worse off than a serf. A serf faced a maximum tax rate of 33 percent, but a slave was owned by another and had no claim to his own labor beyond subsistence. In the 19th century, this meant a tax rate of about 50 percent.
>Low-income Americans face a Social Security and Medicare tax rate of 15.3 percent, a federal income tax rate of 15 percent, federal excise taxes, state income and sales taxes, and local property taxes. The combined tax rate exceeds the burden borne by a medieval serf.
>Upper-income Americans are exploited like 19th century slaves. The uncapped Medicare tax places the top federal income tax rate at 41.5 percent. Adding in Social Security, excise, state income and sales taxes, and property taxes produces a tax burden in excess of 50 percent. 
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2001/apr/19/20010419-022058-4275r/
Damn, you're making serfdom sound comfy asf
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>>259713
That system pushed the medicine to jews for being dangerous and unrewarding. Who would get sick first after the patient and his family if not the doctor? Try to cure a noble from something like gout, and get hanged for your effort as a clueless hack because he ignored your lifestyle advice.
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>>259716
Oh I forgot that corpses were sacred and never meant to be dissected under the threat of witchcraft accusations.
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>>259716
>>259717
I think it was more because of the religious views at the time rather than the form of government. If you were comparing the hypotheticals of
<Modern secular feudalism
vs
<Medieval Christian republic
I still think the latter would tolerate science and medicine less.
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>>259720
>would tolerate science and medicine
As vultures and soyence?
Feudalism is just part of the natural order. The strong (the aristocracy, the nephilim, et al.) do what they will, while the weak (the serfs, pure-blooded humans) must be trampled over and over until they learn to love it. This universe as the Bastard God has crafted it is perfect and just, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it - if you question it, you are damned to an eternity of hellfire for being a blaspheming sonofabitch who dared to believe in something higher and greater.
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>>259715
Try to sort that between active and passive income. Taxing them carries  different moral connotations. Maybe?
>>259724
Lay off the meth
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>>259728
Never done any drugs harder than cigs and booze. You're still a slave subhuman who deserves to be roasted alive - same as every other serf aka slave subhuman - for the Moloch of industrial capital.
>>259728
schizophrenics have divine guidance (voices in their head)
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>>259730
Be silent, fool. The voices aren't always divine. You would know this if you had eyes to see and ears to hear - but blindness is yet a mercy.
>>259692
I wonder what's happening now in North Korea. Is leadership continuance there not feudal yet?
>>259724
The aristocracy/nephilim die off due to their nature
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>>259740
>holidays
>never tried living through rural harvest
8 hours a day? Work until your hands bleed, because sudden rain would condemn you to hunger till the next harvest.
>>259741
And winters without artificial light other than flickering candles/oil lamps for minutes per night must be amazingly healthy for your lifestyle too. Hopefully with more kids to feed as a result, lol.
>>259742
Disregarding the smell, because the livestock might be only a crude wall apart from you.
>>259741
>>259742
>stawman against middle ages tech instead of the actual argument of feudalism as a governance
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>>259744
>strawman against strawman pics
FIGHT!
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>>259745
>taking memes as literal arguments 
ngmi
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>>259746
Still fun to ridicule.
>>259741
>>259742
Wow, Sucks to being ancestors to peasants and not based lords such as I
plow the fields while i plow your wife Faggots
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>>259752
A roulette with less winning numbers than the current top 20% worldwide.
>>259752
You could easily kill your wife if she cheated 
One more thing they had that we don't
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>>259755
>doesn't know what was the favorite plot among medieval courtiers
Baiting a pretty wife for the ruler for a tangible compensation.
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>>259755
And winning armies were often raping their way through the loser's peasantry (mercenaries often didn't care whose side that was at all). The lord didn't care about the details as long as the taxes didn't suffer too much. Kill her if you want, the kids would remember that.
>>259758
Sounds still more pleasant than today with roving bands of migrants raping their way through the native populace under the full protection and encouragement of local authorities
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>>259760
Migrants flock to cities. Strength in numbers, I guess. Countryside is still nice.
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>>259758
Don't lose, or it if happens hide your women
>>259757
Don't be a cuck
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>>259761
For now
>>259762
Hide when? Based on divine revelation? Medieval flow of information was abysmal. 
>not a cuck
Then guess from where was that compensation sourced. Often from the least favorite subordinates who didn't curry the superior's favor. Some faked evidence of treason, or a false witness or two. Might makes right.
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>>259761
>Migrants flock to cities.
>Countryside is still nice.

<Liver is full of cancer
<Lungs are still nice

You have to fight them at some point, or you will lose everything.
>>259766
They knew when a battle was happening nearby, their sons would have been taken for it
Why are you so hellbent on making people think wasn't better back then?
It has to have been for the simple fact that everyone wasn't a result of dysgenics.
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>>259768
Prove me wrong. The fact that shit is bad doesn't mean that shit wasn't worse before.
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>>259769
>suicide rate
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>>259771
Religious beliefs against suicide.
>>259768
Technically both of those 
>>259757
>>259758
might improve the genetic stock on average. All the while at the same time creating personal tragedies. Not mutually exclusive to each other. No comment on current happenings, because whatever I might say, it would attract baiters out for cheap amusement.
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>>259785
sage negated
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This thread is chock full of confused posts, shit that was made up on the spot and outrageously emotional knee-jerk reactions. It seems odd that something like "Feudalism", a form of government which exists purely in the realm of the historical or the fictional, would provoke such strong reactions from posters. I wonder why that might be.
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>>259769
If we are in a harsh environment, we are better able to cope with everything, boredom, death anxiety, we have to be more efficient with everything including what government we live under, we have to more instinctual meaning no faggots or low ethnocentrism
It is better now in some ways now, but they had shit that we evolved to need to be happy as an ethnic group that we now don't
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>>259794
The dragon is right though…
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Time to bring it back
FUCK THE ENLIGHTENMENT
FUCK HUMAN RIGHTS
FUCK RATIONALITY AND SCIENCE
DARK AGES NOW
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>>259794
Since you are unaware, a number of right wingers claim that we should try to restore feudalism for various reasons. The percentage of the right who thinks this way is small, but still significant. I believe that they are misguided.
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>>259741
In fairness, if you work with your hands for any length of time, you develop callouses. Also, 8 hours a day is not from the middle ages. That's a modern work schedule. You worked from dawn to dusk. However, there were significant and length breaks throughout the day and your lord provided you with food. This, however, began to change in the 14th century and work became far more draconian. I'm OP, btw.
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>>259820
feudalism is in no ways affiliated with your left right idiocracy politics, those who seethe at feudalism are technophile retards or shills
>>259808
I WANT TO GO BACK TO EATING RAW MEAT AND SHITTING  TAPE WORMS, HAVING ROUND WORMS BORE THROUGH MY LUNGS AND LIVER FLUKES GIVING ME RENAL CANCER. RETURN TO TRADITION YEAAAAAAHHHHH
>>259827
>t. fauci fuckboi
>>259827
Anon, we're talking about ~700-1000 years ago not fucking 10,000 years ago.
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>>259827
>Eats a pod of garlic
Get Fucked ((( Worm )))cucks
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>>259821
Not only calluses. Working with matured cereal plants like rye and wheat meant getting the rough-surfaced awns on their ears (and horizontally cut remains of stalks left standing vertically, no idea how it's called now) dragged on your skin. Especially on your shins and forearms. That also damages your skin until you bleed, even if only a little at a time. Add to that salty sweat getting there to itch and sting. Enjoy!
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>>259832
Anon, people were so desperate that they drunk naphtha just to get rid of pinworms. Eat pounds of garlic, maybe that would help your head.
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>>259831
No, it would been pretty bad, disease and parasites thrive in Cities, thus after agriculture but before modern medicine would have been pretty bad
Hail papa nurgle
While hunter and gathering tribes would have been too isolated from one another for disease and parasites to spread very far or had the population numbers to maintain presence
>>259835
Funny, the Amish seem to be doing fine.
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>>259839
Ask them how they like that, maybe?
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>>259840
I have this strange feeling that they are just doing fine.
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>>259843
Lmao
Hope they keep the niggers out
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>>259843
Was that the question about  the number of kids?
>>259844
Nope, aren't they hardcore pacifists?
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>>259845
The answer is the Amish are fine with their way of life. You are attempting to make it seem impossible to work the land without falling over dead from the littlest thing because you have never been outside to touch grass.
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>>259846
Guess what, I wrote that from personal experience with oldstyle harvesting. I know how to swing and sharpen a scythe from practice, imagine that. Try that someday yourself.
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>>259847
Than you must be one hell of weakling
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>>259836
You know how you keep from getting pinworms? Stop Being A Massive Faggot
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>>259849
Wow, so my grand-aunt from the boonies was a massive faggot too? Astounding.
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>>259850
Some families have a lot of secrets. It happens.
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>>259848
>>259851
I wish you nice shitposting.
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>>259852
Until next time, fren
>>259846
How would they keep niggers out, then?
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>>259827
>thinking you can predict cancer
>implying our diets are not more unhealthy than the middle ages
>insinuating that you can tell someone died from renal cancer from way back in the middle ages when they are dust now
>>259836
People have been so desperate for fun they used nahptha to remove the emetic chemicals from morning glory seed plup. A polar nonpolar solvent sorta thing. After the first evaporates you use the second, the alcohol solvent, then it evaporates and the yellow powder is your lsa. Nonpolar solvent then polar for the rest of the chem chemz. 

Maybe doing some will help your head. 

>>258949 (OP) 
The peasants were being hysterical and women don't know what they want?
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*pulp 
not plup
>>259854
The Amish have guns. They are pacifist as they do not serve in the military. But I wouldn't advise breaking into their home.
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>>259855
Guns? Guns still good, but buttons are out? Really? Modern guns? With modern ammo?
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>>259857
The Amish have also pesticides and artificial fertilizers. Well...
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>>259865
I suppose they could spray that on you if you broke into their home. Most likely they would reach for the gun first. They do have pitchforks. Not sure if they would leave them near the entryway or not. I have never been to an Amish home. If I had to guess they would probably leave those in the barn. However, I could see the little amish children having toy pitchforks in the home and I would imagine those would tear up an intruder's shins and allow enough time for Papa amish to reach for the blunderbuss.
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>>259867
So their interpretation of scriptures allows for self defense? Seriously? Still, a single nigger with a hand piece would be a menace, as long as he won't run out of ammo.
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>>259858
....I wasn't talking about guns nor buttons.... but in the middle ages they brought the crossbow back (originally from bronze age). Buttons are gay in comparison to switches and the like. Do you like pressing a button to open a door? Didn't think so. Those thumb handle things were great and I miss looking through keyholes. They had locks and keys and crossbows. 
>>259854
>gibs me dat raw unground grain y-boi
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>>259869
I don't know about Anabaptist theology, but these Amish folk seem to know how to handle business.
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Feudalism was great because people who should've never been given literacy and education were kept illiterate and uneducated. Look at normalfags and the implied insistence that because they can read and write it proves their worth despite their emotional shallow reactionary morality and beliefs. Until 200-500 years ago their caste was kept ignorant for the better, perhaps even knowing that without proving it.
>>258953
This reminds me of the hypothesis of the Roman Republic's condemnation and demonization of the Age of Kings was just a lie and cover for oligarchs and cliques to take power for themselves.
>>259615
>mental gymnastic their way into justifying their obscene behavior
Reminder to never forgive and never forget.
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>>259487
When Peasants revolted it was usually with certain Aristocrats to lead them, as far as I know pure peasant rebellions were rare but and even some would consider the English civil war to be revolt purely for the peoples sake but even then Cromwell was already established and the result of these revolts turned into military dictatorships than anything like modern republics. This point depends on way too many factors to say anything absolute for all of Europe. I do agree that with technology it doesn't really make too much sense to have full blown serfs anymore or that there's more profitable ways of using land. I feel that peasants would rebel by moving away to the land of other lords unless things were dire because this was recorded by Gregory the Great during the 800s I think? But I can't say how common that was.

How would you tweak Feudalism if you were to implment it today? Would rather be brainstorming than arguing at least until a /his/ board is created.
>>259874
They weren't kept uneducated they literally couldn't make the amount of books to educate people.
>>259875
>How would you tweak Feudalism if you were to implment it today? Would rather be brainstorming than arguing at least until a /his/ board is created.
I have been contemplating the idea by drawing on principles from Distributism and Georgism. Honestly, I find it difficult to envision this working in a multicultural community; it seems to require a more homogeneous group. I don't necessarily believe that population size would prevent it from being scaled up, but there must be a shared communal vision. It cannot involve multiple groups with competing interests, which is the case in the West. I wish I could elaborate more on ideas regarding wealth distribution, but I need to return to work on other tasks for now.
>>259872
>actually watching "reality" tv shows
lol
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>>259899
Truth is stranger than fiction :-P
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>>259909
It is indeed.
>Women physically abuse men  at the same rate as men do
>Women get away with mentally abusing men 
>Women promote mental illness like alphabet people because they hate men so much but still wants free money
>>259692
AI post.
>>259854
by establishing walled feudal states where the lord and his guards protect them from external threats
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The comparison between feudalism and Bolshevism might initially seem unconventional, given their distinct historical contexts and ideological foundations. However, by examining their structural similarities and underlying social dynamics, one can argue that feudalism served as proto Bolshevism in certain aspects. The ways in which feudal structures laid groundwork that could be seen as precursors to revolutionary ideas and class-based upheaval, culminating in Bolshevism.

Feudalism: A Hierarchical Society of Landownership and Personal Loyalty

Feudal society, prevalent in medieval Europe, was characterized by a rigid hierarchy rooted in landownership. Lords held large estates granted by the monarchy, and vassals or serfs worked this land in exchange for protection and subsistence. The system was inherently exploitative, with peasants bound to the land and subordinate to their lords. Power was concentrated in the hands of the landowning class, and social mobility was minimal.

By contrast, Bolshevism emerged in early 20th-century Russia as an ideology aimed at overthrowing the existing bourgeois state and establishing a classless society based on collective ownership. The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, sought to dismantle the hierarchical structures of capitalism and landowning aristocracy, replacing them with a dictatorship of the proletariat. Both systems involve a dominant class exploiting the labor of a subordinate class. In feudalism, lords exploit peasants’ labor; in Bolshevism, the government exploits the working class. The revolutionary rhetoric of Bolshevism echoes the peasant revolts against feudal lords, emphasizing the overthrow of oppressive landowning classes. Feudal society was built on a hierarchy of loyalty and personal bonds. Similarly, Bolshevism aimed to create a new hierarchy—initially a vanguard party—that would lead the proletariat toward a classless society. Both systems rely on centralized authority, though their ideological justifications differ. Feudal societies often experienced unrest and peasant revolts, reflecting the latent revolutionary potential within a stratified society. These revolts can be viewed as precursors to more radical upheavals, much like the Bolshevik Revolution was a culmination of revolutionary discontent among oppressed classes. Feudal systems involved redistribution of land from monarchs to lords, and from lords to vassals. Bolshevik policies aimed at redistributing land from the aristocracy and bourgeoisie to peasants and workers, seeking to abolish private land ownership. Despite these parallels, it is crucial to acknowledge the differences. Feudalism was a semi-stable, agrarian-based system rooted in personal loyalty and reciprocal obligations. Bolshevism was an industrial, revolutionary movement seeking to abolish class distinctions altogether. The ideological foundations and technological contexts differed markedly. While feudalism and Bolshevism are separated by centuries and ideological frameworks, it still is important to recognize feudalism as proto-Bolshevism. The social dynamics—exploitation, hierarchical authority, discontent—present in feudal societies can be seen as early forms of the contradictions that Bolshevism sought to address and overturn.
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>>259936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F
>>259940
so what you're saying is, lenin promised to remove classes, but in the end made a feudal society where he and his cronies ruled over all the people as if they were serfs?
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>>259875
>How would you tweak Feudalism if you were to implment it today?
By doubling down on the theocratic aspects and burning all the jews
>>259990
Yes.
>>259940
While there are similarities between feudalism and communism, it is only because communism is a Jewish corruption. Feudalism reflected the harmony of hierarchy, while communism, like evil, is an inversion of the natural order and absence of that which is good, and instead reflects the oppression of hierarchy through equality. As they say, evil cannot create; it can only corrupt and destroy.
>>259990
USSR didn't reach the end goal of communism. According to the theories of communism, before the current society can be transformed into class-less society, there need to be initial phase of Dictatorship Of The Working Class.
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>>259875
>How would you tweak Feudalism if you were to implment it today?
Now that is a good question.

Firstly, we need to focus on the head that rotted. The nobility betrayed their people. We all agree that this is a bad thing. So let's fix this in a way that preserves the character of the institution we wish to conserve.
We'll constrain ourselves on maintaining a system where land is not owned directly by people but leased out by a single man or entity in exchange for some sort of contractual obligation. That's feudalism. Oh, also, I guess we need to have this land leased out to this man or entity by the king or other governing institution. 

There needs to exist some kind of force that makes the feudal lord accountable to his people. If he is not accountable, what prevents him from literally just turning all the beautiful farmland into a giant strip mall, evicting his people, and forcing them to buy his cheap shit from China and force his peasants to buy it from him at a marked up price?
 
The thing about feudalism that sounds great is that feudalism theory states that the lord acts as the father of his serfs/tenants. That's great. Fathers are good. I loved my dad.
What a father does NOT do is exploit his sons for profit. A father is... well, like a father for his family. If we want to have feudalism today and make it work, lords that fail to act as fathers must be seamlessly removed from power immediately.

This can be accomplished only two ways. From above and from below. From below is straightforward: A vote of no-confidence removes the lord from his position without recourse. In fact, I believe that his entire family should be banished after his entire estate is confiscated so that the consequences of failure to perform duty result in abject poverty and PAIN for his entire family. That'll give his extended family something to think about lest the lord start acting like an enemy rather than a father.
The second option is from the top down. Some sort of institution that removes (and banishes, confiscates) bad lords from power. The problem is that this invites extreme corruption. What prevents the lord from bribing the king or other institution? Nothing.

I propose a kind of hybrid, radical democracy with no mass elections and no parties. Every 2 years, lottery selects about 5% of the estate's population to meet in a moot or an Althing. Grievances are aired and if the lord is a piece of shit, the Althing has the unilateral authority to oust him by simple majority. Then either they or the king selects a new lord. The previous lord has his bank account frozen, his estate confiscated, and his entire family is reduced to serf status on another manor. Now, there is still the issue of bribery. What if the lord just bribes the Althing? He could, but given the non-political nature of the population, there is a lower chance for systemic corruption. Furthermore, 5% of a large estate could be 7,500 people. That's a lot of bribery and it would get messy. And since bribery is illegal, bribing that many people or even just half of them would absolutely lead to corruption charges and, you guessed it, loss of privileges. 
Zero tolerance policy for unfatherly behavior. 
>Stop betraying your children. Just stop. It's easy to stop. Just don't do it and you get to keep your money. Stopping requires no effort.

Oh, also, a large factor in feudalism was church land. About half or more manors were owned by the church. So we'll assume the same today. A church claims not just to be the father of the community, but to be the shepherd (we'll ignore the fact that the shepherd eats or sells his flock in the end) and a spiritual steward. That's a lot of nice sounding things. Did they perform them? No. 
Therefore, clergymen who fail to pass this basic bitch popular test of pleasing just a majority of 5% of their population will be stripped of title, wealth, bank accounts, and clothes. Then launched via catapult into a lake. Or sealed in a barrel and put out to sea. Or perhaps, buried alive in their own cemetery. 
Zero tolerance for treason. Literally just stop seeking profit over your duty as a father. It's not difficult to do so idk what's wrong with you, let's just keep killing lords until they figure out how to behave like moral adults.

There must also be some sort of assurance that the serfs in this society are not evicted from their land willy nilly (for profit).
So each manor will have a citizenship and you may maintain your citizenship in a manor for up to 4 years after you leave. Plenty of time to vote for no-confidence if a lord decides to mass evict people so he can build a walmart.
And there must also be assurances against a lord importing foreigners. So citizenship must be ratified by said assemblies every two years.

And, obviously, since membership in these assemblies is random and only last a few days or weeks, there will never be enough time for this assembly to accumulate corruption itself. It'll be randomly selected electricians, carpenters, welders, and cashiers. Also, citizenship in manors is only for men.
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>>260188
I quite like these suggestions anon (I'm the guy that asked the question) I've had the idea of stripping of wealth from those that preform treason, coruption etc. Protections for those on the land is also very much needed. I would add that what you're describing is essentially how Fealty acted in the middle ages, A lord would swear fealty and if it was broken the king or other nobles could levy an army to bring the rowdy part to heel. This worked both ways for the king and the nobles t. Magna Carta.

There's a thread over on Ourchan discussing a similar topic, even wrote a consitution! and some of the suggestions I do agree others seem to be kinda /pol/tier nonsense in all honesty, I'll leave a few below:
>These United Nations of America and the Oceans is a widely spread republico-feudal empire. Consisting of primarily 2 continents, North America and Australia, and two major island groups, the British Isles and Japan. It is an economically diverse polity with several universally accepted currencies, with barter, specie, and crypo also widely used, coinage rights are highly valued and exist on several levels. Extensive farmland and cottage factories exist. Usury is prohibited and bankers are allowed to be lynched as needed.

At its lowest level, the polity consists of counties(state), Abbies(church), wards(city), grounds("nature preserves", "tribal ground" and nomads), and territories. These in turn are organized in states, cities, and city-states with a strong separation of influence between rural and urban laws. Over these are regions, think Dixie, New England, and so on. Then a very, limited federal government roughly in the style of the HRE. Mexico, Central America, and the Caribs. are all territories w/o statehood until pop. replacement.

>A switz-style national militia is enacted for all citizens between the age of 12 and 60. All men at the age of 18 are required to serve 2 years in the national corps, where they get special combat training and construct and maintain infrastructure. A standing army is strictly prohibited. There is a standing Navy, Air Force, and Space Force. In the event of invasion the Corps and Millitas are called out. 

Population control consists of exporting 3rd and 4th sons abroad and to territories with supplies after their two years in lieu of citizenship and women after them.

>Power is split between the merchants, the people/militia, the military abroad, the Corps, the polities, and the church.
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>>260188
I Fucked the quotes like a tard sorry.
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