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>>87 (OP) 
What's the appeal of Star Trek, is it the world or the characters ?
I hear alot of people speak highly of it.

>>88
For many people, it's nostalgic. Star trek and star wars was teenage or childhood year show for many people growing up so it would naturally be praised by later generations.
However it had to have been found and watched in the first place, and in that vein I would believe the show was simply unique. It portrayed a society that had solved all its internal problems and instead found conflict without interpersonal conflict. It was comfortable escapism that did not echo the politics or reality of the times it aired in; yet it was still plausible and sucked you in.
It also went slowly, developing characters and expanding on their relationships or lack thereof throughout the entire season rather than in one short episodic burst. It drew people in if they were interested at all, and didn't treat the audience with contempt.
In short, Picard sucks

>>87 (OP) 
>What should I avoid?
Don't skip anything without at least trying it to see if you like it. Everyone has their own idea of what's good and what isn't and will tell you different things and the only way to know for certain is to watch it yourself. There's also fun to be had from joking and shitposting about some of the shitty stuff, and you can't do that if you didn't watch it.

>>88
There are many reasons, but a major one is the overall atmosphere. The shows have a very comfy feel about them, mostly stemming from the slow pace which also allowed the plots to be well developed. It's not the kind of show where people are constantly running around and shouting at each other, it's much more thoughtful.
There are also a lot of interesting ideas and stories, and a lot of it is genuinely very well written and acted.

>>89
>Picard sucks
You mean the show and not the character, right?

>>89
>However it had to have been found and watched in the first place, and in that vein I would believe the show was simply unique.
More unique at the time... TNG was my trek, it was wild how it seemed like anything could happen, episodes could be completely different from one another, focus on different characters. There were certain cliches that were repeated, but no real formula, and a great cast.

Looking back from today's perspective, after it's been copied so much, it's still unique in some of the things it *didn't* do: it had an episodic format without a lot of drawn-out plots, less soap opera aspects, less "self awareness" and winking at the audience. I can't imagine exactly how it plays for somebody coming to it after watching revived Doctor Who or Stargate or whatever.

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>>87 (OP) 
Animated series is creative because it uses scripts recycled from TOS, but it's of notoriously poor quality. I would say that if you're enthusiastic about it, then give it a go. As for the movies, it's a pretty mixed bag. The Motion Picture's pacing is fucked because it's a television script drawn out over two hours. It's a bad movie, but it has a nice aesthetic. I would rank them Wrath of Khan > The Voyage Home > Undiscovered Country > 2009 > Search for Spock > The Motion Picture > You probably shouldn't bother with anything after here > First Contact > Beyond > Generations > Don't even bother thinking about the next ones > Into Darkness > The Final Frontier > Nemesis. I don't think I've seen Insurrection, but assume it's also shit. 

I really don't think a connoisseur has to be beholden to watching every single episode of TOS or even TNG. DS9 is a mixed bag because it has a pretty weak beginning, a terrible ending, but some really strong middle to later seasons. The cast isn't as memorable, but it's way more consistently good in the middle than any of the other series. I almost would recommend Enterprise because Porthos and I wanna fuck T'Pol, but it's pretty bad. Don't watch Voyager and all that CBS All Access garbage. I'd sooner watch Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final Conflict than that shit again.

>>217
I remember the cat lady being pretty hot in the animated series.  How much of the show features her compared to the main crew?

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>>218
M'Ress was introduced to replace Uhura because all the budget went into the voice cast and they thought they could get away with cutting out Nichols, but after the cast disagreed and she was brought back in later episodes. I haven't watched that must of TAS to tell you if she was completely written out, but she has some screen time.

>>87 (OP) 
>deep space 9
sucks dick
>ToS
good
>TnG
amazing
>voyager
lame

>OG movies
stick with the ToS and TnG movies. im not really a fan of anything after TnG, and the really new stuff is complete SJW agenda driven garbage

Miscellaneous Star Trek ramblings. I have to say Star Trek is pretty impressive. I wasn't into it as a kid or anything - I started watching it in college with TOS, and went chronologically from there. I don't know that I skipped any episodes throughout (I might have skipped one or two of the VOY or DS9 episodes but honestly can't remember). Watching everything for the first time was, for the most part, very fun although I have to say few episodes are really worth rewatching.

TOS is mostly good for fap value at this point. Nearly every episode has some gorgeous actress or other. Aside from that, it's aesthetically charming in the way that "old" media can be, but it doesn't really hold up as well as the others overall. However when I first watched it, I enjoyed pretty much every episode. It was only later on that I started to view it as weaker. Favorite episode: The Menagerie.

Most of the episodes that I enjoyed rewatching were from TNG. I think that series might have been a peak for the show in terms of the raw number of quality episodes. The biggest complaint that I have about TNG is the "Troi x Worf" stuff - it was just completely bizarre. I describe it as "Troi x Worf" because it genuinely feels like a fanfiction or something. Favorite episode: Frame of Mind.

DS9 had some really strong episodes and a lot of weak ones. I can understand why it's a favorite for a lot of people but overall I found it inferior. There were a number of episodes in this series which REALLY got on my nerves, which didn't happen as often with the other series. Favorite episode: Whispers (really a toss-up between this and Trials and Tribble-ations). Also Ezri > Jadzia.

I felt that VOY had a fairly consistent level of quality throughout, even if it didn't peak as high as the previous series. It did get weaker and weaker toward the end with an increasing reliance on a few characters, to the point that it was somewhat relieving when it was over. The various romances were mostly painful as well. Favorite episode: The Chute.

ENT, while being fairly divergent from "the essence of Star Trek," I found to be enjoyable in its own right. I thought it was at its strongest when it broke from the episodic formula and focused on the continuing Xindi/Temporal Cold War storylines. This series should not have ended when it did. It is absolutely tragic that it was cancelled so early. Favorite episode: The Andorian Incident (there might be a better one, but it's been too long since I watched this series, and I've forgotten most of it).

I didn't watch much of the shows released after ENT. Maybe someday I'll check out nutrek but from what I've seen it's mostly trash. I did give some of LD a chance. It was pretty much unwatchable.

As for the films, The Voyage Home was my favorite. I also enjoyed the The Motion Picture. Honestly the TOS films are probably the only Star Trek films worth watching. It's not that the TNG films were awful or anything, but I just don't really remember them compared to the TOS films.

I also watched the new "TOS remake" films or whatever they were supposed to be. They were pretty bad but watchable. I am gonna differ from >>217 though and say they were all worse than the TOS and even TNG films. The first of the new films was definitely the least shit but it was still pretty bad IMO.

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I really love the look of the sets and especially the uniforms from the first Star Trek movie. That was my first introduction to Star Trek. I's a criminal shame this look only lasted for a single movie and has never been brought back again.

>>87 (OP) 
I would suggest watching the original version of TOS instead of the "enhanced" version, just to get the original experience.
>>88
It's basically a pulp scifi setting with a bit more thoughtfulness that you got out of Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon and filmed in TECHNICOLOR.
>>217
>I don't think I've seen Insurrection, but assume it's also shit. 
It's basically just an episode of TNG extended to movie length and with better production values. It's got a season 2 TBG sort of feel to the script too.
One highlight is you get to see Riker fly the Enterprise with a joystick.

Don't watch any TNG movies or anything by JJ Abrams/Kurztman

Star Trek is pretty much Communism: The Series with enough shiny shit put on top to distract you from that so you unconsciously absorb the propaganda. Gene Roddenberry is a jew who spent most of his career doing absurd amounts of cocaine and probably also adrenachrome. Leonard Nimoy is also a jew and has gone on record saying the Vulcan salute is a bastardized version of some jewish secret handshake. Nearly all of the things about Star Trek that are good (like just about all of Wrath of Khan's plot) were done over Gene Roddenberry's objections. Many of the things about Star Trek that suck (communism, giving Wil Wheaton a career, basically all of TNG's first season in fact) were done because Roddenberry made it part of his contract.

Despite this, it's still a good show for brainless entertainment and sheer low-budget ham.

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Picard Season 3 is still dreg.

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>>1107
>Deep Space 9 sucks dick
Someone recommended Deep Space 9 and said it was maybe the best of the Star Trek series. I couldn't even get through the first episode it was so bad. I'm not a Star Trek fan by any stretch of the word, but it really surprised me that it was that terrible.

I've also seen episodes of Enterprise because my parents loved putting that shit on (pretty sure they still do). It's shit as well and tries being super edgy and dark. Do not recommend.