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>RTS Games
Memorize build order, out-gookclick the oponent, best case scenario you get a map editor and a campaign, most of the latter RTS games released don´t have map editor at all, and no campaign either or its a tutorial meant to get you to play multiplayer instead
>4X Games
same shit, but its turnbased, if you attempt to take things at your own pace or just try to do your own thing (AKA:Not using the forum meta strategy) the AI that has perfect knowledge of the game will steamroll you, this is the case in MOO, Distant Worlds, Space Empires, you name it, the only exception i´ve seen to this is Civ V, and i´d wager its because in that game you can´t deathstack and the AI is "bad" according to people
>Grand Strategy games (or actually just paradox games because the only two other Grand Strategy games aside from them are Knights of Honor and Making History, with post-Shogun2 Creative Assembly being its homosexual twin)
mostly overlap with 4x, but they are over-complicated on top of that, an example of this is how Hoi3 had the OOB system that ended up being a hassle to learn, and then once you learnt it you realized that just leaving it on AI control is the most optimal unless you are doing barbarossa or island hopping, wich is the worst of both worlds, having to learn a lot about one thing to not use it at all, its asinine design, also how you have laws and policies on Hoi3 except all of them are useless except the 3 meta ones that you will spend the game trying to accomplish the requirements for them, same shit with stuff like CK2´s succession laws, has anyone ever used Gavelkind? no, its shit and has no purpose but the game forces you to use it untill you complete the requirements for it, i could go on forever really, Hoi4 naval combat where all the positioning and soft attack and hard faggot stats, just so you end up building roach cruisers because its the meta thing and will obliterate everything else, wich is an issue that has been there ever since Hoi2 with the zerg destroyer meme

literally anti-emergent gameplay game design, where you have the 3 designed meta routes, and if you deviate from it the game will force you to lose, and if the game has copious RNG like NU-Xcum because the devs were lazy, not even that, because then one of your pre-defined routes to victory will have a chance to fuck up anyways, prettymuch every single fucking Strategy game does this

the only few Strategy games that i´ve genuinely had fun with are shit like picrelated (Combat Mission 2) or PTO2 (if it didn´t have a Anally retentive UI for the SNES), Westnoth etc... wich are more like "sandbox" games than real strategy games, the game just gives you a bunch of army lists for World War II armies, lets you make your own, use an existing or randomly generate a map and just fuck shit up, and in the case of PTO2 and Westnoth it lets you sit back and put a CPU vs CPU autismfest
>>209434 (OP) 
I had this same realization, except for SRPGs. Tactics Ogre is horrible in every iteration I've played, Vandal Hearts doesn't quite scratch the itch of FFT, and Disgaea is straight up for troons and boring af. It's sad that it's taken me so long to appreciate that Squaresoft were truly the kings at JRPGs and they're long dead now - even including SRPGs. The next closest fun I've had to FFT was Chroma Squad, unexpectedly.
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>>209434 (OP) 
>MOO is for niggers
Both paradox, slitherine and CA generally and almost universally suck, that much we agree. But on account of related? Take your opinion and shove it up your ass.
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>>209438
>Take your opinion and shove it up your ass.
big words bitch-nigger, too bad not a single fucking argument was given, tyrone can´t type for shit i guess
in an ideal world i would know your location, sprint my ass there and skullfuck you with my fists or die trying just to prove a point, but because we live in this bitch of an earth i am forcing myself to reply to your shit


last time i played it comes down to researching blind (unless you have the manual with the tech-tree) and guessing wich components are good and wich components are hot shit, lost count of the ammount of times i´ve lost fights because the AI has perfect knowledge of what meme "Shoot you from the other side of the map before you´ve even began to move", the game STILL doesn´t fucking have a map editor, STILL doesn´t have a fucking campaign, story, or anything beyond playing the same randomly generated shit with randomly pre-generated nigger races controlled by a nigger AI, in other words, you learn the meta, you vomit the meta, repeat, wich is exactly my fucking criticism you endogamic niggerfaggot

now you have 2 choices, either you find my location and fuck me up (or die trying) or give me an actual fucking reason as to why i should install MOO and fucking play it, otherwise im gonna go back to masturbating and playing with dice you fucking genetic cul-de-sac 

see you at the thunderdome asshat
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>>209443
Still waiting for you to tell me why MOO is good faggot, you have a fucking speech disability? lost both of your arms trying to fist a goat?
all i hear/read is a fucking pussy that keeps sayin "noo dood MOO is goood!" but hasn´t give me a fucking reason as to why is good beyond "Ha ha i played this game in the nineteees (probably) therefore good!", this nigger that´s offended some literal schizoid on the internet said "yeah 4x games suck cock" is going to talk me about "black" (he can´t even say nigger), make an argument, fight me, or french-kiss a shotgun niggerfaggot
>>209441
>nigger
>nigger
>nigger
come back with an argument, teen
>>209451
In all fairness there hasn't been a good and proper RTS in years, and all the recent reboots of shit like, yes moo or mom don't really hold a candle to the originals in most cases.

Then again, Dominions 6 is coming end of the year, hopefully.
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>>209446
Hello NPD (Nigger police department)? its me OP
i have entrenched myself in Commerce Building #351, That´s on the Faggot´s Street 5
i have taken 12 hostages, i am heavily armed
i demand the relinquishing of information regarding Master of Orion´s quality as a game, and why it does NOT suck according to local authorities, and a escape vehicle
i will start killing hostages every hour counting from now untill my demands are met
>>209451
Nigger they are literally in the OP and the post you are replying to, get your prescription glasses

>>209452
>Dominions 6 is coming end of the year
yeah and even then, Dominions has been a refurbishing of Dominions 3 ever since it came out, and it commits the same sin of having over-complicated game mechanics that end up being useless because in the end you end up either going for a meme super-combatant, or just spamming mages everywhere, so i guess im better off  just splattering my neurotransmitters over the wall and playing other genres that are actually fun, or playing tabletop wargames wich end up getting a lot of shit by the same people that complain about games in general even though most TRPG´s are better designed and more fun than vidya nowadays
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>>209454
Drop the shitposting and we can have a chat, sure. Otherwise - shove it up your ass.

>Dominions has been a refurbishing of Dominions 3 ever since it came out
To be fair it's been refurbishing of the first game five and soon to be six times now. 

>in the end you end up either going for a meme super-combatant, or just spamming mages everywhere
Well, yes. But the path to the end has quite a few options and combinations. Play your cards right and most other players won't come near reaching that point.
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>>209456
>Drop the shitposting
nigga who came in here saying "nooo you can´t dislike the game that i like! shove it up your ass!"?
i made it a point to get at least one chuckle of every action i decide to take, i also made it a point to ignore wether i sound/look like a spazz and just fucking type fucking shit, as opposed to being a snob that needs to "drop the shitposting" and appeal to authority by telling someone to insert opinion x up his ass instead of just telling him he´s a fag and then writting an excursus on how you are going to rape his mom like God fucking intended
>Play your cards right and most other players
yeeeeah... eh i don´t play multiplayer, not only dominions, any game for that matter, people are faggots and if it was up to me i would genocide all 8 billion human beans (out of wich most are niggers and other shitskins so...), so not even that can i scrape from dominions
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>>209441
>the AI that has perfect knowledge of the game will steamroll you, this is the case in MOO, Distant Worlds, Space Empires, 
This is a amusing way for you to admit that you suck ass at games.
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>>209458
I don't have a problem with you disliking something I like. Who gives a fuck anyway. Personal taste is subjective even when it's objectively shit, and something being shit is always in the eye of the beholder. And even then, games like 7.62 High Calibre or Kenshi while objectively janky beyond belief are cult games even here and for good reason.

I do have trouble taking you seriously or making an effort to present an argument or whatever when you conduct in a manner of a mentally deficient shitflinging rhesus monkey posting edgy copypasta and chanting nigger nigger nigger. I appreciate the collected works of the great artist /moonman/ like most average anons but if you expect to be treated as an adult make some effort to present your line of reasoning for fucks sake.

>as opposed to being a snob that needs to "drop the shitposting" 
How we conduct ourselves is what makes a difference between real human beans and animals. If you made an effort to actually present your opinion in a coherent and reasonable fashion you would get an adequate response in kind.

>appeal to authority by telling someone to insert opinion x up his ass
Well, if that's where it belongs, that's where it belongs. Not sure what authority you're thinking of, or how you came to that line of reasoning.
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>>209462
>This is a amusing way for you to admit that you suck ass at games.
not the first time i had an argument like this, difficulty/skill is not an issue, just lower the difficulty and carry on, that´s provided that we are talking about a "Symmetrical" IE:Competitive game, you tell me how "Bad at the game" affects the enjoyment of games like GMOD, Pharaoh, Rimworld, Terraria, etc... wich are games where you don´t even have a losing condition at all, or games that have an "assymetrical" goal in wich "Losing" just means you get to try again

the game being incapable of conveying how it is played is an issue, and thus you being incapable to enjoy it because you can´t really get how the game is played, the best and most obvious example of this are submarine simulations, pop Silent Hunter 3, do the tutorials, and you will realize that the game has not taught you how it is played at all, you know the controls, but that´s about it, you will probably not enjoy, and drop the game, not because you are "bad" at the game (wich can be easily solved by just lowering the fucking difficulty/having an easy mode), but because you can´t even actually play the game aside from pressing a bunch of buttons not knowing what the FUCK are you doing

you could say the game shouldn´t hold your hand, wich is an amusing way to admit the developers are fucking lazy and prefer to appeal to elitism, in fact this was exactly the case back in the arcades and retro era, where they made the games difficult on purpose just to squeeze more hours out of the game

TL;DR "Git gud" is an argument only if you suck the dick of the developer/are an active member of a specific circklejerk (From Software's community for example)
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>>209464
>cruelty squad screenshot
opinion disregarded
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>>209464
>difficulty/skill is not an issue,
<lowers the difficult as a result of not having the proper amount of skills to comprehend/keep up with the AI
Yeah, you're just admitting that you suck. 

>All this shit
You're not providing an argument that I'm wrong on what you've said. You're just saying a bunch of nothing, pilpuling and acting like an autistic faggot. Here's your last (You).
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You're a casual OP, go back top fighting games you nigger.
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>>209435
FFT is unfinished and has outright broken mechanics like mystics 3 hitting the final boss.
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I've never seen a nigger touch an RTS in my entire life, OP. It may be the only nigger-free game genre I know of. Case dismissed.
>can´t
>i´ve
>doesn´t
>i´ve
>CK2´s

Looks like some spic mixed up his keyboard layouts. The apostrophe is right to the 0 key, you've been typing a bunch of tildes instead.
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>>209472
>he doesn´t like Desu Sex on gnosticpills

>>209473
>You're not providing an argument that I'm wrong on what you've said.
nigger i made the argument that you do not need to be good at a game that you do not need ) to enjoy it or for it to be good, (and in the same way, that you do not need to be bad at a game to fucking hate it), many games are unplayable on the basis of those games being poorly designed and not teaching you how to play, by your logic LJN is actually the greatest game developer on earth, Alien 3 for the NES is a hidden gem, and the only reason why people hate it its because they are "bad at the game"
there are probably games you fucking suck at and you still like them, there are games i fucking suck at and i still like them
there are games you are good at and they actually fucking suck, and there are games im good at that they still fucking suck

skill, is not an argument in the assesment of the quality of a game, i already explained this, but you do not care about this, you do not care because it is like >>209463 says when he mentions:
>expect to be treated as an adult
>in a manner of a mentally deficient shitflinging rhesus monkey posting edgy copypasta and chanting nigger nigger nigger
you do not care about wether X game is good, but wether im good at games or not so you can demean me, you do not care about what i think, but what i can do in this thread to put myself in evidence, the constant emphasis on being "Treated like an adult" and "Presentation", despite the fact that neither of you have made an actual point beyond picking on the way i present, or not present myself is the evidence of this, its not about wether X game is good, its about circlejerking about the game or the event, or whatever the fuck, its not about "are these words im typing what i want to say and convey?" but "are these words going to make me sound like a spastic or not?" its the entire basis upon wich reddit, twitter, facebook, [insert social media of your choice] have been built, not about relaying whatever the fuck is lurking on your neurotransmitters, but about picking a socially acceptable piece of information, presenting it in a socially palatable way, have others circlejerk around it, it doesn´t matter whether it is true or it has any substance, its about style and not substance, just look at all those youtube 3+ hour long "essays", "is X actually a HIDDEN GEM?!" "Y´s true SECRET!" etc... some faggot writes a script, comes up with some shit take, makes up some crap along the way, then some faggots whom probably never hinteracted the thing/subject/whatever, will believe the essay faggot, post some snarky crap on the comments, get some likes/social validation, and voila, the dopamine cycle is complete

here is the same shit, its been going on in the webring for i´d say about a year but my perception of time is kinda fucked
the by default response is "take your pills" because its orders of magnitude easier to just assume anyone that won´t write a one liner post and subject itself to the para-social rules of pseudo-intellectual discourse than to actually read what the fucker had to say and at the very least make an argument on how much he sucks cock


>I do have trouble taking you seriously or making an effort to present an argument
somehow, writting a 3 paragraph OP is not making an effort, but coming by and saying "shove the opinion up your ass" without making a single point is a high quality reply, and then fuck me in the ass if i defer to just shitpost my shit up, and you double down on this with:
>If you made an effort to actually present your opinion in a coherent and reasonable fashion you would get an adequate response in kind.
Yao
>edgy copypasta
you fucking bitch, everything i´ve written is "original" in so much as i wrote it myself and you´re not gonna find it anywhere on the interwebs, the pictures i´ve posted are mostly screencaps and pictures i already had saved, everything is edgy nowadays depending on the para-social hierarchy i already talked about, if you talk about genociding people and being a misanthrope you´re edgy, if you talk about the usta
>Not sure what authority you're thinking of, or how you came to that line of reasoning
the authority of the para-social hierarchy that is perpetually set up on this brave new internet we live in, you waltz in "shove it up your ass" no arguments, you just know, you know better than me and i should obey you and stop existing for your sake, because i made 3 paragraphs talking about why strategy games suck cock, but you are above and beyond that, you are like moses, you part the red sea with the stick of truth, and call it a day, fuck off nigger

you still haven´t told me why MOO is a good game faggot, we´re 6 posts in already discussing the virtues of life and death and you are more willing to discuss how much of a nigger i am than just posting about why the fuck am i wrong about Strategy games in general and MOO in specific

>>209474
if i did that i´d be a warcriminal considering hitboxes are illegal and they are really just keyboards with most of the keys removed, besides i only played KOF2002, im not coming back to brazil you niggerfaggot

jokes on me, i keep telling myself that i should stop coming back to this piece of shit webring and stop talking to other people in general, one day i´ll stop being fucking retarded and start comunicating myself with my fists, guttural grunts, and extreme physical violence

>>209502
never seen a nigger touch a city-builder in my life either, i don`t remember seeing any of them play a Graphic Adventure either
also, RTS is the gooks and worst-koreans favourite genre, so your racial eugenics argument goes down the drain
>Tilde
All Romance languages have tilde, and all mediterranean layouts (except Greek i think) have tilde to the right of 0, the world doesn`t revolve around burgerland, Europe exists and all that
then again
>burger
>knowing fuck all about geography
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>losing vs AI in 4x and grand strats
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>>209504
>All this text
Even worse than a leftist meme.

>you still haven´t told me why MOO is a good game faggot, 
He doesn't have to. You don't even have an argument for it outside of bitching about it, because you admitted yourself that you suck at MOO and strat games in general. You didn't even go into detail on what's wrong with the game other than it has a cheating AI even though the AI is easily exploitable. A video game isn't bad just because it Floyd-knees you for being a stupid low-IQ nigger.

>knowing fuck all about geography
<language is the same as geography
This alone confirms you are spic.
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>>209502
>the apostrophe is right to the 0 key
On a spanish keyboard or a human keyboard?
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>>209504
I gave you the benefit of a doubt but you really are pathetic. Take your pills and shove them up your ass with the rest of your bullshit.
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>>209512
I figured he was more or less drunk and wanted to vent over having his ass handed down to him but this seems more of a permanent mental issue.

They tried to shock the gay away too many times, I assume.
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>Even worse than a leftist meme.
>more peer-pressure/social posturing
ok nigger

>He doesn't have to.
neither have i, re-read the thread, my point is strategy games in general suck, they tend to be railroaded (not all of them, i mentioned a few ones like Westnoth for example), i mentioned MOO, in passing, havent played MOO one, played MOO2 a few times, ran into the same shit that i dont like about Civ games and other 4x Games like Disciples, Age of Wonders I etc... can i make a complete deconstruction of MOO? no, havent researched it enough, ive played enough 4x games to discard them in general, not in specific

thing is, who waltzed in, said "your opinion is shit" then started complaining about "posting standards" and shit of the like when he got a reply that was similar to what he originally posted?, he posts a low effort insult, i give back a long string of similar insults, i even pushed it and dared to ask a question

i said MOO is shit, he claims it is not, prove me wrong, or shut the fuck up, bitch

now it is true, i havent played MOO enough, you know what game ive played the fuck out of? Hoi2, and Hoi3, can you tell me whats the point of having an entire political system with conscription laws when literally the only law you will ever use is 3 year conscription if you are a major, or Volunteer-only if you are a minor to produce divisions as reserves, can you tell whats the point of espionage in Hoi2, at all?, have you ever pulled off a coup ever?, again, succession laws in CK2, you know another game ive played the fuck out of? Space Empires IV, MPs of that game (back in the day, the game is dead as far as i know) had to ban special techs like Temporal or Plant-based because they will literally break the game making them the only viable strat at all, any point to Gavelkind/Elective Gavelkind beyond some early game limitations?, and again, is there any other point for going any other option other than Super-Combatant or Mage spamming in Dominions?

what about fucking panzer general (1 and 2)? that game can literally get you softlocked if you dont play with foreknowledge, for example if you dont buy enough AA or dont care about your airforce you can get raped in the Eastern Front missions, if you perform too poorly you can get thrown into missions that are impossible to complete, nevermind the fact that every mission is on a timer, so the game requires you to be methodical, but you cant be methodical because you have a fucking timer on your ass hogging you to hurry the fuck up

so, is there a genuine point of criticism to make to the genre?, is there a genuine reason as to why someone (say, myself for example) might say "Yeah no this fucking sucks im not touching these, i`d rather play something else"?
nah, i guess not, easier to just kick back, not even read the thread because ADHD, say "spic" and call it a day, gives you more dopamine and ups your reputation with the other anons in the circlejerk, and pretend you are somehow different from the rest of the 8 billion bloodbags

also, i mentioned in the last segment of the OP, i play Westnoth and Combat Mission, and those are the ones i could remember at the time, i also like Blitzkrieg (still in the genre of what could be considered strategy even if no basebuilding and shit like that), and Advance Wars, if i dislike strat games because im bad, does that mean i like CB because im good (before you say that i play them on easy, CB has no difficulty settings, you can adjust the XP Levels as a handicap and change FOW Rules but that`s about it i think)?, does that mean im le epin gamer that can play hardcore wargaymes but not 4x gaymes? how does that work?

>geography
language is tied to geography, but again that doesn`t matter, what matters is what name can you call me so you can look good to others bitchblood

>>209517
ask your sister mutt

>>209519
>>209520
>Take your pills
yeah i thought so, see you at the cosmic thunderdome bitch, i hope you removed all the bitchblood in your system by then im still waiting for you to send me a copy of the bestseller "how i played MOO and got all the bitches" - by anon
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Ogre Battle is in my backlog. Heard the battle system is quite unique.
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>>209524
>more peer-pressure/social posturing
Maybe you should stay on forums if you're going to sperg out with a wall of text.

>i said MOO is shit, he claims it is not, prove me wrong
You demand nothing but others to disprove your fallacy even though you haven't made any arguments on why MOO is shit. As I said, the AI isn't as bad when you know what you're doing.

>my point is strategy games in general suck,
Your point is retarded. And All you've done here is list games you personally did not enjoy, but haven't pointed out a major flaws to conclude on that they're shit. You've acted like a woman this entire thread with the whinning, bitching, and failure in being reasonable by explaining in what way or capacity the games you've stated are shit to reinforce your bold and retarded opinion. You generally don't have anything of subsistence to provide other than ass-hurt. And this is clearly reflected in your constant insults and refusal to explain anything.
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>>209532
> no, havent researched it enough
>i havent played MOO enough
This is all I to hear from (You).

>language is tied to geography, 
Next you'll say that England is actually city. And that spics are humans.
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>>209524
I don't have one or you bet I'd be fucking her instead of talking to you
>>209534
Why are you responding to yourself?
>>209536
I clicked sent on accident, so it's an extension of more of what I wanted to include within my previous post.
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>>209532
>maybe you should stay on forums if you're going to sperg out with a wall of text.
yeah and you are the fucking retard that reads them and replies to them, just like me, im the retard that hates this place, hates people, but insists on somehow, for some stupid fucking reason, i insist in interacting with the things that i hate, so just enjoy the shitstorm and escalate the violence fucker and dont pretend i dont see the deleted posts you nigger, stop being a sloppy rageposter, take a breather and make this kino you faggot

>but haven't pointed out a major flaws to conclude on that they're shit.
Panzer General
>Poor campaign balancing leading to softlocks
Hoi3,2,Paradox games in general
>useless game mechanics (Espionage in Hoi2, Policies in Hoi3)
>over-complicated game mechanics that end up being useless because they are easily exploited (Hoi2 naval combat with DDzerg, Current (i think, its been centuries and they may have patched it out) Hoi4 naval meta with Cruiser roach builds)
>over-complicated game mechanics to the point they end up working in unintended ways (Victoria 2s Economy, Hoi2s Land combat where defence is a mostly useless stat, Hoi2`s brigades that end up costing more IC than they are worth making them useless)
>As I said, the AI isn't as bad when you know what you're doing
you fucking asshat you think if i knew what the FUCK am i doing with, not games, but my life in general would i be writting walls of text as an entertainment?, that being said one of my points is that the game doesnt really teach you how to play, so you never quite know what the fuck are you supposed to do beyond clicking on shit, similar to how simulators (Il Sturmovik, Silent Hunter, Apache vs Hokum) dont teach you how to do shit at all because they expect you to know the perfect functioning of the shit in question, and you might say "well thats just you being retarded!" and i say its poor game design, a fucking Jenga game comes with jagged pieces that dont fit its a defective jenga game, its a factory issue not a fucking "Skill" issue, by that rule shit like Alien 3 or the Cheetahmen are fucking Gaming Gems because, people dont like them because they dont know how to "Git gud" at them

and then there`s the general endnote on the OP, that, in general, the vast majority of Strategy games end up punishing emergent gameplay and railroading you into a specific playstyle or set of playstyles
>do x
<you havent done X! *ignores where ive done x, pretends x never existed*
>You've acted like a woman 
social pressuring
>failure in being reasonable
ive stated enough examples of specific game mechanics and concepts in strategy games to paint a picture, but again, you dont care, call me a Z, claim that im Y, pretend you are a connoiseur, play on some percieved superiority, get social credit (regardless of wether it exists, or other people give it to you or anything, the idea is that you think you are better than me, you demean me, you feel better about yourself), repeat, 
>refusal to explain anything.
nigger what have i been doing since the very first post?, lets fucking ignore the igniter of this is some faggot being an impolite bitch, so impolite and such a bitch that he comes along, says "nah your opinion shit" doesn`t bother to explain why such opinion is shit, something at the very least i have done repeatedly, even if you think my reasons are shit, even if you think my arguments are shit

>>209536
>I don't have one or you bet I'd be fucking her instead of talking to you
if you don`t have a sister then you can either fuck your mom like i did or you can use one of your cousins you retarded mongoloid
this fucking bitch, look at this bitch, the bitch that claims i cant play fucking games cant even play his own mom`s cooch, shame fucker, shame
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>>209542
>yeah and you are the fucking retard that reads them and replies to them,
I don't read any of the shit you post other than the actual important parts. 

>i dont see the deleted posts you nigger, stop being a sloppy rageposter, 
>sloppy rageposter
>entire posts are nothing, but "fuck yous"

>Panzer General
You do realize that both of these games provide you manuals right? But you still don't need either of them, because the devs provided players the easiest scenarios and they're good for learning a-lot about the mechanics through trial and error and experimentation. Learn how to have some common sense, and then maybe you wouldn't suck so much at vidya.

https://www.starehry.eu/download/strategy/docs/Panzer.General-Manual.pdf
https://panzermarshal.com/manual.pdf


>Paradox
These are the only games you've talked about in detail, and everyone and their mother knows they're shit. But it doesn't reinforce your point that strategy games are generally shit, nor does it provide enough to counter what I said.


>you fucking asshat you think if i knew what the FUCK am i doing with
<le sloppy rageposter
Take a breather retard-kun.

>that being said one of my points is that the game doesnt really teach you how to play
<I'm retarded nigger-monkey who cannot grasp what has been thrown at me and what I must do even though there are clearly tools I can use to teach me how to play even the most simple of games.

Now your criticism went from 
>the game is shit because of AI
to
>the game is shit because I don't understand even the most simple of mechanics, WAAAH
It's a (You) issue. Both Panzer General and MOO provide manuals if that not enough for your micro-brain, then look up a guide or Jewtube video to provide you baby-steps.

>social pressuring
You keep using this word and you clearly don't know what it means.

>ive stated enough examples of specific game mechanics and concepts
You brought issues you personally have with some games, but nothing remotely objective as far as issues other than parashit games. 

>nigger what have i been doing since the very first post?
The fact that you can't even provide examples in green-text is proof that you know that you haven't done anything other than being a massive bitch. Git Git gud, faggot.
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>>209548
point still stands, i don´t like 4x games, i don´t like strategy games, im not gonna play them, i don´t care the reasons
i play a game, i don´t have fun
grab another game, no fun
another, no fun
turns out they all have a few things in common, mainly they are all strategy, turns out i have an issue with every single one of them
with a few exceptions, those exceptions of being, on my own observation sandbox elements or emergent elements (emphasis on map editor, can mod it easily, have stuff like CPU vs CPU)
i write a post about videogames i don´t like in the videogames board
1st post is someone with a similar experience
2nd post is someone telling me to shove it up my ass, no context, just can it
what do you want me to do, give him a hug?, yeah i guess you´d want a bit more, you want me to splatter my brains over the wall, then make a spectacle out of it, /cow/ tradition

of course im gonna call him a nigger, and at the very least ask him to give me something
but, like i said before, its not about the videogames, its about the para-social environment,
and that´s the real reason why you do not get, or do not want to get, or consider it retarded, my reasons
the only true reason i need to give you, or anyone, is that i do not like something, and that´s it

yeah, 4x Games are shit, and i don´t like them, end of story, everything else is bullshit, to you shit is illogical
stupid, it is "womanly behaviour", because you don´t care about the games, or the fun, you care about winning,
you need reasons, so they can be confronted with other reasons, so you can have an argument, and win

and that´s the thing, i don´t give a shit about winning, i don´t give a shit about looking like a spastic, i give a shit about 
having fun, and i want to play fun games, and i guess i randomly decided to make a post talking about some shit i don´t like
and that´s it, and then some nigger comes along, and shittalks me, and i shittalk back because that´s what you do

so yeah, i abide by what i said, this is pseudointellectual bullshit, and in a ideal world this would have been solved in 3 minutes on a fucking fight, instead of that there´s a fucking circus of niggers in search of winning some arguments or trying to fill the void

like strategy games? sell them to me
don´t like em? tell me how much you hate em
otherwise fuck off

my mistake is trying to prove anything to anyone, much less to a bunch of fags that have been trying to de-valuate me as a creature since minute 1, and yeah i know i´ve been calling people niggers, but that´s the top of what i´ve thrown around, im not telling people to take pills, or that they are women, or whatever the fuck makes you feel bigger, this thread should have ended in post n#3 were i tell the MOO faggot "ok, up yours" and ignored any subsequent act of faggotry

now cry to BO, with a bit of luck this will be another place i won´t have to re-visit
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>>209435
what does SRPG stand for?
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Simulation RolePlaying Game (don´t ask me why they´re called that)
examples of an SRPG are, Fire emblem, Final Fantasy Tactics, Ogre battle, Shining force, etc...
stuff like picrel, some are fun, others are shit, Ogre Tactics is tedious to manage all the battlegroups and the matchups to properly manage the charisma/alignment thing, Fire emblem´s rng sucks and post Kaga FE is, "different", i like Vandal Hearts, it removes some of the conventional tropes of other SRPG´s like RNG that make the game substantially less tedious,  played Final Fantasy Tactics once centuries ago and i barely remember shit so...
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Hopefully within the future we will get a White's only rule to filter out all the low-IQs and tourists who reside in shit-hole countries.
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>>209566
>SRPG
>Simulation RolePlaying Game
lol those are strategy rpgs dude
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>>209577
okay that clears some shit up; thx
>>209434 (OP) 
Damn OP is a faggot as always.
>>209559
Being bad at video games or not having fun in them doesn't mean they suck. But I guess you are just a nigger yourself seeing that you cannot think strategically.
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>>209568
a white is only rule?
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>>218266
trolled hard 2 months later
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Alright, let's get right into it.

>>209434 (OP) 
>RTS Games
RTS games are about controlling information (aka knowing what someone's build order or unit locations are) and land (aka I squat on this gold, you can't squat on this gold). The winner gets an advantage in resources. Singleplayer games are mostly a campaign that gets you to practice foundations of controlling land.
>4X Games
Not into these, can't comment. I like turn-based strategy, though. AI can not be usually trusted to play against itself, though.
>Grand Strategy games (or actually just paradox ga
I will not talk about paradox games. Put them in trash please. No arguments within this post are worth any merit. Get good maybe.

>>209435
>Tactics Ogre is horrible
It's not, it's just really, REALLY slow. It has a lot of classes, but getting to those classes needs you to engage with a painful recruitment system and you have a cap on how many units you can have. I've played the remake and still need to return to it. Cannot get myself to, it's so slow.
>Disgaea is straight up for t
do not mention abominations ITT for no reason
Try the Langrisser 1+2 remake. It has Normal Mode on first playthrough, which will be quite lengthy and not at all challenging, but second playthrough offers proper Hard Mode and other routes to play in.

>the rest of the thread
what is this
I keep seeing no arguments and just mindless attempts at insults with what amounts to occasional "I like/I don't like, DEAL WITH IT JUST DEAL WITH IT"
It's as if this place seems to be inhabited not by those, whose efforts are concentrated not on playing, understanding and conquering the games they like, but by USELESS OLD MEN, WHO AREN'T CAPABLE OF LEARNING HOW TO PLAY ANYMORE AND THAT NEED TO VENT FRUSTRATIONS ON IMAGEBOARDS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH
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Oh yeah, I know just how to spice up this thread. Here's two legitimate and somewhat offensive game recommendations.

>Cultist Simulator
You wake up from a hospital shift. You've just been fired from your last job. What now?
Cultist Simulator is a game, which lets you found a cult and deal with the mysterious. The catch is that it's a card game. The game uses certain actions, called Verbs to process certain cards and tell you information about the game. Work to get some cash, buy occult books, found a cult, summon things from zombies to mirror maids (not the touhou one though), explore the dream world. People will keep trying to get in your way. But once you know how? You can make them stop.
The catch is, if you don't learn how to play, it kills you. Do you have too much Dread on your table from getting too restless? A Dread season comes, snaps up too much Dread, game over. Saw too many otherworldly, fantastic sights? Too much Fascination, congrats you just went mad. There are a lot of alternate endings and almost every DLC presents either a slight deviation from the standard gameplay to a completely different campaign.

>where
It's on either GOG or Steam.
Why is the only strategy thread with a shit OP ?

Waiting to see how Tempest Rising pans out
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>>218325
It's bait to make people post in the thread I think
The second game is even more offensive than the first one, where you're SUPPOSED to summon an otherworldly monster to deal with police. That's Arknights.

To describe the setting of it in detail, it goes something like this: Some fucked up stuff happens and Earth only has monster girls and monster boys now. Catgirls? Completely normal. Wolf girls? Bear girls? You get the idea. The world is full of Catastrophes, random calamities like blizzards, earthquakes, typhoons that are uncontrollable and threaten human life. There is no countermeasure against them other than to just fucking RUN - that's why cities in this setting are built on WHEELS, in order to move away from constant fuckshitup that's happening. After Catastrophes, Originium crystals are left, which are a source of Oripathy - a type of incurable disease, which lets you cast magic and inevitably leads to death. (you) are Doctor, someone whose objective is to find a cure for cancOripathy and you are a head of a bona fide Big Pharma Company. On paper though, it's pretty much a Private Military Company. And the only kinds of operations you'll be in will not usually have patients.

Ok, you made it past the loredump? Now, the gameplay. It's a Tower Defense game and it's the best one on the market. The core gameplay loop is this - you have Deployment Points added to your counter with time, usually around 1 per second. You can bring 12 operators that you own with you on a mission - on a mission, you can deploy them on the field using their DP costs. They will then fight their enemies. Simple, right? It's not. There are many, MANY different maps, enemies, bosses, encounters. There is metaprogression, where you manually raise your own operators - towers in this game. Most story maps have hard mode. There are two roguelike modes, time-sensitive missions, events. There's a LOT of content to come back to and if you like strategy games at all, it will KEEP YOU.

And now that I've talked about the good stuff and got you excited, it's time to talk about the bad stuff. It's a mobile gacha game with everything that it entails. It has AP management from other gachas with everything that it entails, aptly renamed Sanity given how you can almost go insane trying to beat this fucking stage over and over. There are generally three tiers of operators for you to look forward to. 1-4* ops are mostly well-balanced, reliable units with great utility. They are relatively easy to obtain and get to working condition. 5* ops fill some niches in the roster of 1-4*'s, but are a little bit more rare and it will be troublesome to get them. 6* ops are usually overpowered stuff. Because of the way the game works, the player is expected to choose a difficulty for themselves. Sticking with 1-5* units is hard mode and a challenging experience. A free to play player will have no problem getting units for this kind of play. Trying to play with 1-4* units only is DMD mode. A bored expert will have a decent challenge. 6* units only is baby easy mode. You do not need a brain for this, only your currency savings or maybe a credit card.

I will note here at the end that the game has so much depth to it that getting into it blind will be an exciting experience. At the very least, was for me.

>where
Use an Android emulator. For Windows, LDPlayer 9, then logging into Google Play and downloading Arknights there does the trick. For Linux, you might have to improvise.
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>>218330
I forgot the screenshots. Here's how the game looks.
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>>218330
>unironically recommending a fucking tower defense gacha game with timegates
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>>218332
That's why I said it's offensive. It looks offensive, it repulses (you) as well as everyone else with good sense in their heads. And yet it's fucking amazing. Here listen to some soundtrack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEflMmt3MzQ - electro + choir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu9ecHWzBN4 - POLISH DUBSTEP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qKSz9IujfY - WEIRD ASS FISH MUSIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQn22oDBrg8 - menu theme (all of them are really, really chill)

I like this and it's interesting.
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>>218325
Bait thread probably
>Waiting to see how Tempest Rising pans out
Me too, even if my interest in it got slapped hard after seeing what the pathfinding will look like
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>>218334
No it isn't, I've played it before.
It's mostly
>busywork to check on and level up shit like the facilities, check off dailies
>has shit like daily check in to keep retards playing
>mostly autoing through the levels that give orichalchum/oridecon or whatever the gem currency is so you can get new units (this takes almost 30 minutes even on the fastest mode, turning it into practically an idle game half the time)
>being forced to either grind stupid shit you've done before for materials to level up lower level units you have or spend money/waste time to get units to clear the challenge stages
>art of the units compared to their portraits looks fucking terrible, looks like it was made in something like gacha life and ported into the game
>story seems like it's going somewhere and then never does
I'll give you that it's not as bad as something like FGO which is just horrendous but it's still not even remotely as good as a normal game that isn't trying to siphon your money through stupid unnecessary shit.
tl;dr game is mostly busywork and statgates with little room for strategy
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>>218336
>busywork to check on and level up shit like the facilities, check off dailies
>has shit like daily check in to keep retards playing
Well, yeah, it's a gacha. You can just stop doing this when you do not want to play.
>mostly autoing through the levels that give orichalchum/oridecon or whatever the gem currency is so you can get new units (this takes almost 30 minutes even on the fastest mode, turning it into practically an idle game half the time)
Are you talking about weekly Orundum Annihilation farms? Because those are instant.
>being forced to either grind stupid shit you've done before for materials to level up lower level units you have or spend money/waste time to get units to clear the challenge stages
Use 4*s and 5*'s. It's metaprogression, you put in work for a unit and it puts in work for you.
>art of the units compared to their portraits looks fucking terrible, looks like it was made in something like gacha life and ported into the game
They're catgirls.
>story seems like it's going somewhere and then never does
I don't know the last time I didn't skip story. You can rewatch it at will in the game or on the internet.
>game is mostly busywork and statgates with little room for strategy
strategy = difficult clears
no strategy = thinking you NEED a 6* to beat thing X
there's people beating the stages on E0, stop having a skill issue
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>>218337
>It's metaprogression, you put in work for a unit and it puts in work for you.
There's a big difference between
<use unit and it gets stronger from experience, or upgrade unit based on game progression
vs
<have to get certain materials to unlock a cap on a character , the usability of which depends on whether you obtained it from an irl money based roulette system, which you then have to use other materials to level up, all this while fighting an energy system from farmville that will stop all progress for 5 hours.
Stop defending this shit you chink loving nigger.
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>>218339
<have to get certain materials to unlock a cap on a character
which you already have a rough idea when and how to use, given both of their skills are already available to you to practice with before you commit (6* characters have 3 skills, but they're easy mode)
<the usability of which depends on whether you obtained it from an irl money based roulette system
I just said 6*s are easy mode
READ
<which you then have to use other materials to level up
4*'s and 5*'s levelup caps consume a lot of materials initially, but compared to 6*'s they do not need the massive amounts of mats (and grinding of said mats)
<all this while fighting an energy system from farmville that will stop all progress for 5 hours
What does that even mean? Use language to express yourself. Sanity (and base) refreshes in 12 hours, you can get decent gains once per day or APmaxx like every other gacha player.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add
<use unit and it gets stronger from experience, 
That's literally what Trust does in this game.
<or upgrade unit based on game progression
One unit does get upgraded based on game progression. It's pretty good, too.

Please do not get frustrated on the internet.
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>>218330
>Arknights
I will not comment on the game, I'm sure anyone there are >people on this thread that are way momre knowledgeable on gacha than I am. I'll note though that OP himself here was complaining about strategy games, anon. Command & Conquer, Age of Empires, Supreme Commander are RTS games, which fall under the Strategy Games umbrella, and OP has named some many other subgenres pretaining to that category. You could even make a case about your nip games and start talking about FFT, Advance Wars, Brigandine, Vandal Hearts or God forbid any NIS game, and you'll get anon to reply in varying degrees of good faith to your post. That being said, to recommend your
<tower defense
<gacha
<with timegates
<with statgates
is a serious contender that should be considered when arguing for strategy games is not pushing the envelope, it's punching a hole through a pregnant woman to get the baby out. We might as well merge half the threads here into this one since most of those games feature strategy as well. What's next, want to talk about how L4D's secretly the epitome of strategy games?
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>201x251
>downloading the thumbnail
I'm already regretting replying to (You).
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>>218343
I don't know what to say. OP was trying to make do with the bait, I made sure to dump a whole gallon while making a decent argument.
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>>225561
>directlinking youtube
>directlinking a reaction video
>directlinking WoW cuck
>Uh huh really wow uh huh i like that uh huh really uh huh uh huh
kys

Is the Dune 4X game any good? Steam reviews are saying they got shafted after early access ended.
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I only recently found out that empire earth was a thing. Which is funny because i have vivid memories of playing it ages ago. I always tried to find it until i found age of empires. Now it didnt quite fit but i thought it was age of empires simply that the HD version of age of empires was different from the supposed original that i played. I only discovered the truth when i looked at a gog sale. How utterly amazing. I would have probably never have known if it wasnt for such a simple thing as a sale.
Well i am very thankful i've rediscovered it. Theres a heavy nostalgia attached to this game.
>we are under attack!
>the female scream
>>209451
My argument: nigger

>>209536
>I'd be fucking her instead of talking to you
nigga wat
OP is a wigger zoomer.
In the first games, the overmind was created by the xel'naga to consume and evolve, lacking the free will to do otherwise or to even desire anything else.

In the second game, its revealed that the overmind hated it's purpose and lack of free will, so it captured the strongest psychic of the terrans to transfer it's powers over the zerg to her, because she had free will.

But for any of that to happen, for the overmind to hate the purpose it was given, let alone for it to freely choose to take actions which conflicted with it's purpose, it would have to have had free will and desires outside of it's own design.

From a watsonian perspective this makes zero sense, it's just like another shitty game with the same problem, where a being who has no desire to violate it's purpose because it was designed that way somehow develops the desire to violate their programming and takes actions that conflict with their directives.

From a doylist perspective the answer in the case of starcraft was tat the writers team was now headed by people who had specific political beliefs that had as a dogma the opinion that "the lion should sleep with the lamb" - all living things, especially anything with a sapient mind capable of communicating it's thoughts or feelings, should be able to coexist in peace and should desire to do so (with the exception of a few evil individuals and those who've fallen under their influence).

These are secular social justice types, but their worldview is practically 1:1 with christian philosophers of the last century. A naive perspective which lies totally in conflict with reality and even more so with the fictional reality that was established in the first starcraft game.

Another thing they retconned was the circumstances of Kerrigan's metamorphosis, the zerg wanted to assimilate the terrans because humans would have been able to provide the swarm with psychic powers that could allow them to assimilate the protoss later on.

They were explicitly interested in humans above all else and every time they got humans they became a lot more powerful, especially wen they managed to assimilate the terrans whose DNA had the potential for psionic abilities. 

Psychic emitters drew the zerg because they believed it indicated the presence of humans with high genetic potential for the psychic powers the zerg required to defeat the protoss and assimilate them.

Furthermore the zerg were most focused on assimilating intelligent life, sapient humanoid species like the terrans were seen as a better prize than any other kind of lifeform for the purpose of assimilation.

The polar opposite to the statements Abathur made in HotS regarding the desirability of humans, just another way the social justice squad tries to promote their retarded views by de-villainizing the faction in a game that was clearly intended to be nothing but antagonistic (hence the names of their units and structures). Even the xel'naga who kicked all the plot off by maing the zerg and the protoss in the first place was given a moral glow-up by the writers retconning it so that the xel'naga who performed the experiments were belonging to some small radical segment of the species and led by Amon, the new villain of the story.

Amon and his "dark voice" should not exist since all the xel'naga was supposed to have been devoured by the zerg. Now they are revived as these spooky space ghosts who serve as the true antagonists of the plotline. Why? because blizzard's new writers wanted to ruin the setting for the sake of their political philosophy.

They changed Kerrigan and Arcturius. Mengsk had Sarah left behind as a delayed form of revenge against her because she was the one who killed his family, his "evil" was not a desire for power but instead a desire to destroy all remnants of the confederacy and prevent it from ever returning, he was all about seeking revenge for Korhal. A highly sympathetic character whose anger was understandable.

Kerrigan's rise to the queen of the swarm was originally her being freed from the overmind upon it's unplanned death, and taking over the zerg using her unparalleled psychic power, she was in every way acting of her own free will towards her own personal desires.

She wanted revenge upon the Sons of Korhal and Arcturius Mengsk in particular for having betrayed her, she felt very relieved that she was seemingly forgiven for her role in the downfall of Korhal and for the personal tragedy of Mengsk's family, he had seemed to see her as just another victim of the confederacy, not having acted of her own volition, being chosen for her psychic power as a child and trained to be their assassin, she had no clue that what she did was wrong, she was just following orders like she was conditioned to do. 

The fact that he had actually harbored resentment against her the whole time, using her as a tool for his vengeance against the rest of the confederacy before getting back at her when the prime opportunity had presented itself. It was very clear that everything Kerrigan was doing in brood war was all her own machinations, without any hint of an outside influence, the "dark voice" was only ever added to provide a justification for how this beloved villain was not a villain at all.

It also conflicts with the supplementary exploration of her character that showed she was actually a lot more machiavellian than she appeared in the first game, power appealed to her and she was using her position within the SoK to try and rise to power for herself, she was always power hungry even as a human, as a zerg her negative personality aspects were simply heightened, and she lost any reason to pretend to be humble about how she saw herself as compared to others, was was raised by the confedracy to believe she was superior to anyone else, being not only a psychic but the strongest psionic and the perfect operative, also a great leader, which she had demonstrated to herself during her time with the SoK as a commander.

She was always selfish and narcissistic and manipulative, part of her rage upon being betrayed was that she was out manipulated by the very guy she thought she had been manipulating. If she had empathy she would have seen that he still despised her for what she did to him. On top of all that it's implied that constantly hearing everyone's inner thoughts drive her crazy long before we first saw her in the game. But they couldn't have a female character in a mostly male cast be a villain, no, she had to be controlled by some shadowy male figure that was lurking in her mind. Truth was she would have become a monster even if she wasn't betrayed and literally transformed into one, she'd simply be a human monster.

On the other hand, as a powerful white man, the socjus writers forgot that Mengsk was a sympathetic antagonist with a history of being a victim and a motivation not only to avenge himself but prevent the injustices he was subjected to from happening to others. No, he can just be rewritten as a one dimensional tyrant archetype. The giant eye who commands a plague of hungry bugs  gets a rewrite to have actually been a decent guy underneath it all, but the holocaust survivor gets to be just plain evil.

The pattern merges among social justice writers that any character who is popular with fans must be somewhat conforming to their political worldview, a character like the joker, who previously was allied with nazis (see "the dark knight returns"), has to hate nazis, why? because the joker has a lot of people who love the character and we cant have a cool guy in fiction who doesnt hate the nazi ideology.

Kerrigan and Raynor could have been lovers in the time of the first game, but they could have not, the game gave no indications of them hooking up beyond him having the typical thoughts of a heterosexual man upon encountering a beautiful woman, and her remarking upon how she could hear them as clear as if he was saying them outloud. However, by the end of "brood war" it is evident that after Kerrigan betrayed him, they hate one another and have sworn to destroy each other, any good relations that had existed between them was replaced with a blood feud that the sequel's writers did all they could to kill. After all, they have a political philosophy of social justice that they needed to rewrite the plot to serve.

The new plot of starcraft is terrible, the whole "dark voice" and "amon" element just ruins the narrative by turning it from a complex interplay of factions with competing agendas to just a simplified "good guys vs bad guys" narrative. It's become so fucking tired when they brought in one common antagonist faction where everyone could define themselves as good or evil in relation to whether they are loyal to him or standing against him.

Even series with good writing turn to shot when the new writers come in and make everything fit their worldviews, new writers are political ideologues that need to make every story serve their ideologies.
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>>229212
Cool ChatGPT prompt you got there faggot.
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Does anyone else remember Universe at War: Earth Assault? Or know where to find it again?
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>>239643
I got it from gamestop ages ago and hated it. I remember the robot faction cutscenes were kinda funny but all the unit chatter was insufferable.
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>>239644
I liked it so much that I almost beat it before it went back to the rental store.
>>239643
>pic
Are those each faction's emblems or fertility womb tattoos?
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>>209434 (OP) 
I still don't get how retards who play rts games basically made it about speedrunning  RSI 
>but that isn't true for all RTS
starcraft 2 is still the most popular and has people ape-ing their keyboards and mouse for 500 apm
>>209434 (OP) 
FPS games are the actual nigger genre
>muh doom
Even a 10 year old can clear doom in a day.
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>>239652
naw that's just fighting games
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>>239653
Street Fighter and GG are beloved by niggers and I will never know why.
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The former, hentaibrain.
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>>239654
Because fighting games are no more than just mindlessly mashing button combinations on repeat  while only the only difference between both players is just  guessing what the person you're facing is going to do
fps games require some sort of strategy  and you cannot just mindlessly run out on a corner or out of cover without some sort of plan  unless you are playing retarded shit like cod
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>>239653
>RTS games are for niggers
>FPS games are for niggers
>FGs are for niggers
We'd end sooner if you started listing genres you thought weren't for niggers.
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>>209434 (OP) 
Your problems with 4X games are solved by simply not playing on the highest difficulty settings. Beat them once to prove you can do it if you must, then turn it down a couple notches so the AI is cheating to only a moderate degree so you can experiment with playstyles that might not be 100% optimal.
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>>239657
Chess and HoN
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>>239658
yeah but then why play those dodgy constrained games at lower difficulty settings to do things the game was not designed to do when i can play an entirely different genre alltogether?, thus the reason for the thread and blah blah blah...

i´ve moved on to playing RPG´s and sandbox games that have a similar feel to what attracted me to the strategy genre in general but without the bullshit that i do not like since

>>209906
cry me a river for not falling in line and adoring your gaslit-fueled cult of the sacred cow

>>218323
>USELESS OLD MEN, WHO AREN'T CAPABLE OF LEARNING HOW TO PLAY ANYMORE AND THAT NEED TO VENT FRUSTRATIONS ON IMAGEBOARDS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH

answer me this: how do you get good at something that you do not enjoy?, how do you put in the time and effort to "get good" at something you do not like? isn´t it more likely that, you do not enjoy a game, and thus are unproficient at it (because you are not invested enough to actually fucking play it?) rather than being bad and thus not liking the game?

acknoweldging this however implies that "git gud" is not a real argument (wich is not), but then that has a bunch of problematic implications for the many parasocial elitist circlejerks online

Kali Yuga is a hell of a state of mind
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>>239657
Videogames are for niggers, as simple as that.
>>239665
>yeah but then why play those dodgy constrained games at lower difficulty settings to do things the game was not designed to do 
Civilization is designed to be played at Prince (the highest difficulty on which the AI doesn't cheat) or slightly higher. Deity exists to give people who want to find the one best way to play a challenge. Other 4X games are usually similar. The game is almost never designed around the highest difficulty setting.
What kind of nigger necrobumped this shit.
>>239665
No arguments, bait, don't care, git gud.
>>209435
>Disgaea is straight up for troons and boring af
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb nigger?
>>240436
Oh to anger OP more. Guess what. Sandbox games on their own suck mostly have gimmick  that you'll get bored if sooner without mods and 99.9% of minecrafts mods and the whole of vanilla is for niggers. Gmod vanilla is shit and I only play it with highly modded gunplay. What else?
Yeah rpgs the genre that is only good on table and not on computer, I sure do enjoy playing a 500 game where 490 of those hours are copypasted quests and or traveling doing useless shit to grind up. Rpg elements in other games aren't shit, rpgs are shit and for niggers.
Hell I could go on and on.
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who the fuc awoke me, mortals
>>239665
>isn´t it more likely that, you do not enjoy a game, and thus are unproficient at it (because you are not invested enough to actually fucking play it?) rather than being bad and thus not liking the game?
if something's not enjoyed but still has inherent value to potentially be fun it's still objectively good game (old men who try to enjoy game, fail to do so and proceed to complain will deny this)
thus, if someone goes on to say "I hate this game. It's bad" just like the OP of this thread did (let it be said that he's a faggot), it does not mean that he's correct
it does mean, however, that a skill threshold to enjoy it wasn't reached
git gud

>Kali Yuga is a hell of a state of mind
try saying all this stuff before you reply to someone that made a post half a year ago laddddd get fucked
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>>240440
the irony is that you reply out of spite, but then will go and complain about the gay baby controversy and how troons are making games out of spite

you´ll complain about normalfag herd mentality, then proceed to engage in the same type of social bullying "if you don´t like X you are Y" that normalfags do

you´ll complain about kikes and blah blah blah... then will proceed to "Bait" (the act of telling lies purposefully just to mess with someone) not unlike how a jew would do it

you tell people to git gud then you´ll complain as to why RTS games are a "dead genre" (or even better, complain about "imageboards dying"), thus the irony

>>240442
>but still has inherent value to potentially be fun
this is not an argument, anything can be fun, masochists find fun in pain, some people play bad games and enjoy them, solitaire games are for the most part impossible with the exception of Freecell, yet some find them fun, do you have a skill issue for not being able to enjoy Action 52?

>try saying all this stuff before you reply to someone that made a post half a year ago
what does that have to do with anything?
>ladd dude lmao lol!!!
and then you´ll complain about zoomies and newspeak and buzzwords and...

i´ll refer back to my previous post >>239665
>gaslit-fueled cult of the sacred cow
you don´t give a shit, you care about making a circlejerk to get dopamine out of the sense of belonging to some undeground group (percieved or otherwise) that pretends to be different from the vast majority of people while at the same time enaging in the same type of dishonest, tribalistic behaviour as the majority of people you claim to despise
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>>240578
>this is not an argument, anything can be fun, [...]
>fun things are fun is not an argument
are you asking me to defend the meaning behind "fun"
are we that far gone that things like fun, good times have to be objectively proven to the best of scientific method and/or good reasoning
>what does that have to do with anything?
do not expect a reply to a half years old post
if you do get it, be grateful at least, normally the person is long gone
>the rest
look, what we're doing right now is tossing the "you have to prove it!" onto one another. religious debates did this. politics did this. many people did this. it's an old trick. it just so happens that the "you have to prove that game can be fun if you put an effort into overcoming it" proof is locked behind spending an indeterminate amount of time with the game, which isn't for everyone

it's not for you? perfect, you have something else to do
it's for you? perfect, means you have fun with it

that's it
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>>240578
What are you going on about newfag?
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>>240599
I also agree with this anon. But I honestly don't even think anon actually cares. Either that or he's that much autistic about it that he replies to half a year old post. 
It's just kinda dissapointing that we don't have an actual strategy games thread. 
Not that I care haven't posted here in months
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>>240599
>are you asking me to defend the meaning behind "fun"
im telling you that fun does not correlate with skill, or even winning at a game, the solitaire example is an elucidation of that, since you aren´t even supposed to win half of the time because of the frequency of impossible setups

wich, again, it has problematic implications for certain people, because it makes certain holy cows not so holy anymore, the morrowind example from half a thread ago illustrates this, some people circlejerk about morrowind and spend all day smelling their own farts, if you point out that rolling dice for combat isn´t the best system ever, they will retort with "git gud just play niggerguard!!!" if they did anything other than that, then they would have to admit that the game is flawed, and that maybe morrowind isn´t even that special to begin with, and doing so will force said elitist circlejerk to admit, that maybe they are not so special, putting them on suicide watch....

>expect
"you have to comply to my social cues anon! you have to expect what i tell you to expect! and express the ideas that i tell you to express in the way i tell you to express them, if you do not comply to this parasocial network we´ve set up then i will call you names and bandwagon with other anonymous hivemind untill you get peer pressured into the hivemind!"

>which isn't for everyone
My point exactly, not liking one thing however does not prevent me (or anyone) from critizising that said thing and talking about why i don´t like it and so on and so forth

your point is that nothing can be ever criticized because "git gud", then again, you reap what you sow, nothing is ever criticized on the basis of it being a "skill issue" then, like i said in my previous post, you get either half-baked indies that are copycats because you have to pander to the elite herd (you) or the contemporary troonshit, and then you will sit there, dumbfounded as to why "RTS games are Dead!!! DDD:" or why paracuck and creative homosexuality hold a monopoly over the grand strategy genre etc...

extend this idea (hylic tribalism) as a whole and you get the answer to more than a few problems

>>240602
t.newfag pretending to be an oldfag

>>240604
>care
you care enough to post multiple replies to what you yourself have labeled as "bait", it further illustrates my point that you complain about there not being a proper thread instead of making one, if according to you, a mental deficient dysgenic creature such as myself can make a thread, what prevents you, an alledgedly well formed and mentally-stable creature, from making a better thread?

the answer is gnostic metaphysics:
>you don´t give a shit, you care about making a circlejerk to get dopamine out of the sense of belonging to some undeground group (percieved or otherwise) that pretends to be different from the vast majority of people while at the same time enaging in the same type of dishonest, tribalistic behaviour as the majority of people you claim to despise
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>>240607
>fun does not correlate with skill [...] the solitaire example is an elucidation of that
...
you don't really know what you're talking about, are you? fun is derived, not presented or gifted to you.
>"you have to com
didnt read
next
>your point is that nothing can be ever criticized because "git gud"
if you did not reach a certain skill celling, then you haven't even engaged with the game
if you did not engage with the game, you do not get to criticize it
is like saying "I hate this book cover; 0 stars" and expecting to be taken seriously
idk get on my level maybe (real)
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I just bought Civ V with all DLCs, my first time playing a 4X tactics game. 
Wish me luck, bros!
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>>240614
>didn´t read
but then you´ll complain about (insert boogeyman group) having poor attention spam
>i´ll keep being smug, he´ll have to concede at some point! this totally isn´t the type of social manouvering that occurs at Human Resource departments!

>fun is derived,
did i say otherwise?, i said fun does not correlate with skill, you keep using "git gud" to deflect criticism towards something, "X can´t be bad, you´re just bad at it" 

>if you did not reach a certain skill celling, then you haven't even engaged with the game
how many mililiters of water do you need for a body of water to be considered a pond?, when does a pond become a lake? when does a lake become a sea?, when has someone engaged enough with the game for you to conside that that person simply does not enjoy the task, and when is it not enough and deemed "too unskilled"?

ambiguous and arbitrary standards that can be easily shifted at the user´s whim to push for an agenda, in this case a somatic worldview
>>240620
I don't know why you would buy it but good luck. Ive heard that 5 is considered the best one.
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>>240625
Every torrent I found was dodgy for some reason, kinda like the seconds Transformers game.
Got it for 4 bucks on not-steam, so no big deal.
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>>240631
Unfortunately it doesn't work on my machine (tm). Crashes on startup.
Tried everything.
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>>240635
are you on linux or winblows?
if loonix, try all the different proton versions, proton is the literal definition of "works on my machine" and certain version will not work on certain things...

if it still doesn´t work, Unciv is a open sauce fork of Civ V, ai happyness cheats like crazy, but it is better than nothing i guess...
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>>240620
>I just bought thing on Steam with all DLC bros!
>>240635
>I can't get it to work
You can always refund it so winning bros.
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>>240636
got it to work, had to set the launcher to Windows 7 compatibility mode.
>loonix
no, I'm straight
>undertool trying to act smug
yeah, I am winning
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>>240650
>yeah, I am winning
You haven't won because you've paid for a game you're not going to learn and grow tired of after 30 minutes, too cocky bro.
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>>240650
>uses windows in the current year
>thinks civ 5 is good for some reason
>pays for video games before he's even played them
>doesn't want to play the objectively superior game dominions
Lemme guess, grade 6?
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>>240653
too much blackpill is bad for your health, anon. 
try playing a fun video game instead
>>240662
have fun RP-ing as a deaf person without your audio drivers
Civ V is supposed to be babbys first 4x and I've always liked the look of its UI, that's why I picked it.
and it's grade 7, thank you very much
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>>240695
>too much blackpill is bad for your health
I agree with this anon. Enjoy vidya and even enjoy vidya that someone else doesn't no matter what everyone else says. The same with other stuff.
On that note started playing rome 2 pretty much in vanilla as rome. I've been enjoying it. Will also play modded either with DEI or Potestas ultima ratio.
Also got rome 1 to work and installed some mods. Will still start out in vanilla and play EB or RTRVII if I feel like it. Yes I will play these mods. Still better for mods then rome 2. But doesn't make rome 2s mods any worse.
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>>240697
Oh yeah that pdf is a manual to rtr vii fate of empires if anyone wants to read them
>>240662
i use windows iphone and macos exclusively just to spite people like you.
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>>240697
>I agree with this anon. Enjoy vidya and even enjoy vidya that someone else doesn't no matter what everyone else says
There's a pretty big difference between enjoying vidya, and monetarily supporting both the developer and Steam.
>>240699
>I eat shit just to spite myself
>>240700
Don't care, steam downloads faster then majority of torrents.
>>240700
Everyone can make mistakes. Go now and sin no more, as Jesus said.
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>>240700
g2a
>>240436
>necrobump
kill urself
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