/v/ - Video Games

I believe this has happened because most AAA games have been flopping lately. Even when they turned a profit, most people still disliked them. This naturally pushed people to replay old games or younget players to check them out for the first time. Compared to the slop they were used to, those older games seem great.

Did ya get it all outta yer system sonny?

Why should I waste time forming an opinion that's already been thought before? I could sit here,  weigh the pros and cons,  do a deep dive on the themes, look up obscure references,  or I could watch some youtuber and agree with him.  You are sitting here thinking all these thoughts only to come to the same conclusion as a man on YouTube. 
Why waste time?

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What you're witnessing is basic media manipulation. People got their beliefs before this from watching the news and talk shows. You're only noticing it now because it's affecting spaces you have a vested interest in and because the people doing it in those spaces aren't actively trying to hide that they're doing it.

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It's good that The Line is becoming known for the trashy auteur aspirations it held, not for the bad even though I'm no writer/academic I did my fair share of reading on that den of rats, thus the game found me numb already but for the legwork the art department pulled and the design accommodating having gameplay in that last couple of acts:
Think about the lauded games of its generation and compare them, many are more sophisticated but end up even worse -in nearly all aspects. Contemporary Rockstar peddling games dripping with scriptwriting, hopelessly dull dialogs even in the Deus Ex 'sequel', etc; it makes you realize why Hatred reverbated like a crashing chandelier and Deadly Premonition got snagged in peoples brains.
It's also a reminder another reason AA could not survive was that -along with ballooning budgets, worship of graphical fidelity and streamlining of gameplay and difficulty- 'real' marketing entered the field and more willfully shaped the landscape.

Fun facts OP
There are no 'capital G' good movies so all 'cinema' discussion is like that.
Writing is like comics in that you have to use your wits and endurance to extract gold nuggets from rivers of shit both published and indie.
Gaming just got big enough for the academic brainworms to fully enter along with big money, basically what >>249625 said. Only things that can be wielded against it are the internet and the relatively short time the medium's been around.

What makes you think this is limited to old games or normalfags?  Anons and degenerates of all stripes parrot their own brand of propaganda too.

>>249617 (OP) 
>So for instance a shitty medicore game called Mad Max i recently played.
From what I remember, the Mad Max game had excellent car combat and customization but was dragged down by the game needing to be another bog-standard open world game that was and is still popular for companies to do. Not to mention numerous other games putting their own spin on the Mad Max formula like Rage, Fuel, Motorstorm, etc. several years leading up to it.
>Another example would be Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days.
I've never heard anything good about that game, with people confused how a sequel even happened when the first K&L were so terrible in the first place.
> So now these games are considered to be somewhat good with normalfags which doesnt even make any fucking sense. 
Could you actually link what some people are saying?
> Oh and i almost forgot to mention No Man's Sky. Remember that shitty game? 
The shit game that only became slightly less shit over the years?
> I think i could maybe include Spec Ops The Line here aswell. I dont think anyone thought of it as more than a mediocre third person shooter when it released but in the past couple of years theres been a massive shift in opinion on how its somehow this DEEP game. 
No, that's been happening since the game came out, with game journos praising the game for it's "excellent" subversion. Here's the EC and ZP reviews if you don't believe me:
https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=kjaBsuXWJJ8
https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=cJZIhcCA2lk
https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=HNhPMjbgkXA

>>249643
>like comics where where you have to extract gold nuggets from rivers of shit

Sheesh that is a good metaphor. Comics are either fantastic or utter mediocre shit, whether big or small, western or jap or even them korean long strips to an even greater extent, literal 1 in 100 is fantastic and the rest are beyond garbage. 
And yeah as nuch as I love big video essays about games as background audio in long drives, I've seen enough with the WORST takes that I now distrust them about as much as regular news, I should just stick to audio books.

>>249617 (OP) 
>Basically some faggot youtuber made a video about how the developers are innocent and didnt deserve the hate and how the game is actually good now and now every dumb fucking normalfag parrots that shit
If you're talking about the Internet Historian's video, the situation is more nuanced than that. I had absolute contempt for Sean Murray and Hello Games for lying to people for so long, but they did make good on their promises and ate their share of crow for many years in order patch No Man's Sky into what people wanted it to be. Now, does the industry need more endless open world survival crafting games? Perhaps not, but that is a different story.

The real danger of this particular type of revisionism is that people are eager to apply it to other games for two reasons:
- It allows them to buy the shiny new thing and pretend they are not animals.
- It allows them to fantasize about the day when the devs/publishers/whoever will drop some magical new content update and make the game perfect, and all the people who didn't believe will have to shut up and cry and tell the true believers how cool they are.

The latter reason is how Star Citizen has been extracting wealth from boomers for over a decade with no meaningful product to show for it.

As for Spec Ops, you're being a bit harsh calling it a mediocre third person shooter. It was, but it was also trying to have some kind of message and make the player feel something, and for that alone I am willing to forgive the devs being pretentious. The real reason it's shallow and hollow is that the section with white phosphorus is forced because the game is narrative heavy; instead of strongly encouraging the player to do thing that is easy mechanically and bad morally, they didn't believe in their own creation.

The reason for this is obvious: most players are pretty chill/morally good and would try to avoid doing a bad moral thing either because they didn't want to do it or because they would view it as a challenge. Depending on how it was framed this either would have made the game even more heavy-handed (Walker pussying out and not burning women and children into flesh paste) or introduced a sparkle of hope into the scenario (Walker triumphing and threading the needle so he didn't have to burn women and children into flesh paste). Either one was unacceptable to the devs because they wanted the game to be misery all the way through, and they wanted it to be miserable because it was released during a time when literally every shooter was about being a modern military dude doing cool things.

As a product of its time, SO:TL is a neat little novelty. But part of the problem with the video essayists and "media literacy" crowd is that their power stems from imbuing meaning where there is none. You and I can play a game, recognize what it did or didn't do well, put it down, and move on with our lives. But we cannot practice word wizardry this way.

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>>249654
>As a product of its time, SO:TL is a neat little novelty.
Except, five months later, Far Cry 3 comes out and the game's endings either have the player character regretting all of his actions on the island (You know, everything he did for the purposes of trying to survive and rescuing his friends from a murderous psychopath) or being murdered by the native waifu. Then Bioshock Infinite cames out six months later and topped both of those with the game ending on the message that the player character is a bad person who needs to be erased across all realities as there is no road to redemption for you because you ARE the very thing that you swore to fight and prevent.

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit.

As has been said before it should hardly be considered surprising that normalfags are now praising mediocre post-2007 vidya considering the abysmal selection of pozware they're exposed to daily, even if they do need some jewtuber to articulate things for them.
>>249648
>From what I remember, the Mad Max game had excellent car combat and customization but was dragged down by the game needing to be another bog-standard open world game that was and is still popular for companies to do
It was mediocre but somehow considered something of a "hidden gem" even when it was new. It had bamham combat and the awful JC2+ "bad car = delayed steering" mechanic, the only car with no delay being the Magnum Opus which you only get at the end of the game. Said mechanic that was designed for JC2 where you can just steal a supercar with unfucked steering whenever you want, it had no place in a game that was mostly about cars.

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>>249617 (OP) 
Are you new to the internet or even the world in general? The niggercattle can be herded easily and history has proven this. Just take a look at public schooling. On the internet, all it really takes now is a big follower number and a media platform that's designed to keep the top at the top and you can make a veritable cult that will do your bidding and follow your teachings.

On SOtL specifically; the game itself is at best some mediocre mind-numbing third person shooter. I don't care how "deep" your game is if it isn't enjoyable to play. Keep your stupid art horseshit in hollywood where it belongs.

NMS is still not remotely fun to play and the "story" is laughable. Imagine the most basic open world gathering loop you can think of and that's NMS. If I were forced to play either Starfield or NMS I would play Starfield. That's how bad it is.

The big jewtubers are all grifters but they're at the top for a reason. They can read the waves and the market for "hidden gem" videos. They're just capitalizing on it, even if barely any of it is true. There are even idiots out there who really believe that FALLOUT 76 of all things had a redemption arc. It obviously didn't and anybody who actually played it would know that.

tl;dr anybody who donates to a patreon deserves crucifixion

>>249675
NMS is also buggy as shit and also crashes constantly, forgot to mention.

>>249654
>>249675
Did NMS even end up implementing all that shit that was promised for it? I hate that nigger Internet Historian for convincing people that a dev team sitting down and finishing a game after it's release was somehow commendable, but if they didn't even do that, that's even worse.

>>249675
>There are even idiots out there who really believe that FALLOUT 76 of all things had a redemption arc
Did anyone ever crack it w/ custom servers? It sounds like a fun way to fuck around with anons

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>>249617 (OP) 
Those people are either morons who are uncapable of indipendent thought, or morons who are obsessed with being part of the lame "cool kids" and so they parrot some jewtuber opinion or what they perceive as the majority's opinion to feel part of something.
The jewtube comment section is full of these braindead retards, and their comments almost look copy-pasted.
<Super Mario Bros. on the NES?
<muh childhood! I remember playing this game...
<...5 years ago on my phone!
And don't forget at least a couple hundreds "literally" improperly used:
<"i am literally telling you that i literally played this game on literally my TV literally 10 years ago when it literally came out and i literally remember literally loving it"
The normalfag's lack of brain never cease to astonish me.

>>249681
Considering Sean Murray was on stage constantly saying shit like
>You can do anything on these planets
i'll let you figure it out.

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Something something about Plato's cave and npcs unable leaving it and touching REAL grass because they're hylics, empty vassals with no soul or will of their own.
Maybe this is also relevant to the thread, 5th pic in particular.

>>249690
Imagine how smart this guy would be if he didn't religiously visit 4cuck and have schizophrenia.

>>249690
>>249691
There is a cure for the NPC malady. Just disconnect them from any media for a week but good luck convincing them.

>>249692
Ironically, the retards who type "touch grass" the most, are the ones who most need it.
Maybe the brain rot was already there from the start, but social media definitely helped the rot spread faster.

This is the most stereotypically /v/ thread I've ever seen. Never change lads, but also stay the fuck away from everyone else.

>>249696
I hate niggers, fuck off and die

>>249696
Somethings wrong with earth when Genshin Impact makes billions of dollars. Prove me wrong.

>>249691
>>249693
I see what the problem is. Tell me, does this video make you upset?

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>>249702
YES

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>>249696
Gotta shamefully quote my own post from /b/ in a thread where the OP asked what is a normalfag and why are hated
>>203131
<And the most important question -- why do we hate them?
>The answer is very simple:
>Normalfags are hated for keeping the status quo as shit as it currently is, and for making things much more tiresome to those who try and seek to change things for the better.
>Normalfags held humanity's potential back, and want everyone to be as self-centered and shallow as they are rather than realizing it and take the effort to be better.

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>>249617 (OP) 
"revisionism of old games"
Nonsense statement
Your new games are 99% baby brain dogshit spare once every new moon indie game.

>because you played a shitty game as a kid doesnt make the game good. 
because you DIDN'T PLAY THEM doesn't make them bad zoomerfaggot

>>249712
Even worse:
<"That game sucks"
>dumbed down remake comes out
<"i am a fan of the series!"

>>249712
Settle down, nigger. You grew up with vidya that wasn't targeted towards "people" who's brains have been rotted by social media and ((( media. ))) Of course they'd think a game that wasn't dumbed down to the point where it basically plays itself is bad. That's all they know.

>>249617 (OP) 
I feel more offended by the fact that videos about games seem to have more cultural relevancy than the games themselves. Shitty opinions being regurgitated is really not that bad by comparison.

>>249675
>If I were forced to play either Starfield or NMS I would play Starfield. That's how bad it is.
Holy shit, is NMS THAT bad!?

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>>249707
I hate normalfags because they are blind to shit like sodomy and tranny shit. It amazes me when a normalfag hates tranny shit, but embraces sodomy, not knowing that tranny is just another step on the ladder of degenerancy.

>>249675
>anybody who donates to a patreon deserves crucifixion
What about people who make doujins?

>>249756
I’d say he’s exaggerating especially since you have way more to do in NMS than in Starfield and while planets aren’t always interesting they aren’t literally empty.

>>249756
No he's just being a fag. NMS is just dull.

>>249617 (OP) 
As >>249625 and >>249643 pointed out, this happens with all media. A critic class forms which has influence on the public consciousness and shapes their perception, forming simulations of works for their audience. Until the 2010s, games journalism filled this role for video games. My major complaint about online game reviews is that they've veered from the traditions found in book and movie reviews due to the popularity of lets plays. Almost every video game review nowadays is a thinly-veiled lets play which walks the audience through the story. The most replayed portions will be in the "gameplay" section because the audience is there to see the reviewer's commentary on the game. These aren't real reviews. This isn't a simulation of the game. This is a simulacra of the game. The audience is experiencing the game in a way that replaces their initial experience of it. It's only a step above videos which outright state themselves as lets plays, themselves a step above reaction videos.
>>249690
Those images are metaphysics for babies and suggest that the race having an excess of focus on character is European, rather than Jewish. In fact, the majority of the images make no mention of Jews other than as an afterthought at the bottom or top of the page, something to be clipped off. Hermetic Qabalah comes from Christian Cabala, and Christian Cabala comes from Jewish Kabbalah. 

The fifth image is the most egregious in its error. Nihilism can be divided between positive and negative forms, something a self-professed hermetic should understand. Both profess a meaninglessness to life, that there's ultimately no difference between action and inaction. Both are, for the most part, a response to an inability to enjoy life within a given structure. Positive nihilism posits that actions should be taken without regard for the structure which has formed it. Negative nihilism posits that actions should be taken without regard for the structure which has formed it, unless the structure is useful. Its contents on social media are equally axe-dragging. "An artificial ego," is the definition of a persona. One's actions online under an avatar and handle are actions under a persona, even if the handle and avatar are his own name and face. The presentation of this in the image is no better than the "X taught me Y" meme. It's something someone over 40 would post online. 

Its words on Universalism make no sense given the quote or the definition of Universalism. Universalism is a school of thought that certain tenets and practices exist across all cultures, either due to universal responses to stressors or shared origins, and that all of these relate to a single through line of truth. As for his "Destructive Vice of Selfless Universalism", the Christian concept of universalism, which he redundantly labels "Universalist Delusion", is that everyone will be saved either through a life of worship or an extended period in Hell, not that everyone can be saved through adherence to escape eternal damnation. Almost every organized religion to ever exist has wanted to convert all other nations because they believe their tenets to be fundamentally true. In the "Eastern Delusion", Samsara exists for spiritual purification, but some spirits never reach Nirvana and ultimately become attached to the physical world. 

In regards to his "Destructive Vice: Egoist Individualism", all of them are retarded. The "Sectarian Delusion" and "Messiah Delusion" are what he's professing. The differences between races ultimately giving them distinct powers is inherently Sectarian. The belief that abilities from Hermeticism are unique to a handful of people, and that they should be used to guide a group of people, is Messianic. The concepts he has outlined in the previous images are inherently Luciferian. They are entirely suggestive of using ESP to influence and predict the outcome of events for your own gain or that of your race.

>>249766
Make a product and sell it. Don't beg me to pay your monthly wages.

>>249617 (OP) 
Normalfags don't play videogames at all. The whole thing is an illusion. They just look up what was supposed to be in their childhood and then internalize fictional events.
Anyone can download an Ocarina of Time rom, fire it up, and see that Navi in fact does not go "Hey, listen!". She goes "Hey!" if an offscreen enemy is about to attack and "Listen!" if you ask her for advice. But every normalfag who autohypnotized themselves into believing they "played Ocarina of Time as a kid" will say that she would constantly go "Hey, listen!", and every single depiction of her in pop culture is based on the delusion.

>>249816
big if true

>>249816
If you meandered around too much she would remind you of the plot with hints. These hints would come seemingly at random as Navi says "Hey!" with the C-UP symbol flashing. If you pressed C-UP, she would say "Listen!"

If you performed the action in quick succession it would sound like "Hey, Listen". I think that's what most people remember. It still wasn't nearly as frequent as what is portrayed, but it's an exaggeration for humor.

>>249837
There's one particularly annoying part of the game where she'll do that every ten minutes or so until you follow her directions. That would tend to stick in players' memories.

>>249816
>They just look up what was supposed to be in their childhood and then internalize fictional events.
>>249816
>But every normalfag who auto-hypnotized themselves into believing they "played Ocarina of Time as a kid" will say that she would constantly go "Hey, listen!", and every single depiction of her in pop culture is based on the delusion.
I honestly do think that most of those "muh childhood" retards are lying about it.
Gen Z fags claiming shit from the 90's or early 2000's was their childhood is something i find hard to believe.
I also played Super Mario Bros. and Duck Hunt on the NES a few times when i was i child, but the NES was already old by that time, so it's not like i can call that "muh childhood".
I think most of those retards are simply seeking for validation and nothing else.

>>249841
>I honestly do think that most of those "muh childhood" retards are lying about it.
Gen Zigger are the type to willingly lie about anything in order to gain some sort of validation. But this behavior is not exclusive to Gen Z.

>>249816
Tatl > Navi
Prove me wrong.

>>249901
True statement, although Midna was the only Zelda assistant that I liked. It's unfortunate that Twilight Princess is not very fun to actually play. I've replayed most of the pre-Gamecube Zelda games countless times, but I can't say the same for the later entries. I think the idea of Twilight Princess being a good game is another normalfag spook. It's pretty, certainly, the prettiest in the series IMO, and it has a nice soundtrack, but it's very slow and dull.

>>249911
TP would be good if it cut out the fat but with it it's boring to play. The actual dungeons and explorations are somewhat fun but are constantly bogged down by story and padding to the point it makes the game near unreplayable for me. Wind Waker had this but to a lesser extent, but at least TP is fully fleshed out.

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>>249911
I'm like the only person in the world who thinks that Midna looks repulsive/ugly and not attractive. I guess I'm not into monster girls in general, but I'd still say that the average one is better than Midna.

>>249913
I think it's part >shadman noticing she was at least 25% ass by volume and running with it, part the sheer smugness she radiates. At least you have to admit she's better than Navi.

>>249913
That's too bad that you didn't like her. I love the concept of a cute & sexy imp girl riding on your back and sassing you all game. In general, it seems like it's very hard to get assistants "right" in games. That was one where for me at least, they knocked it out of the park.

>>249913
Fag alert

Spec Ops The Line always had fans defending it as 2deep4u. I disagree with them, but they've been there the whole time. 
It's just a half-baked video game version of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now with a poorly executed twist that undermines what's interesting about that kind of story. That said, some of the little details were good, like the execution mechanic you're encouraged to use not actually benefiting you in any way.

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This is probably more of an unpopular opinions thing, but certain "facts" regarding bidya history being endlessly regurgitated by Anons and normalniggers alike annoy me the more I've thought about them.
Examples:

>the PS2 was the "weakest" console of the 6th gen
<when objectively speaking the PS2 was simply the second-oldest hardware wise as it uses 1999 silicon whereas the Gamecube and Xbox use 2000 silicon and the Dreamcast uses late 1997/early 1998 silicon
<also each console of the 6th gen was architecturally distinct enough to have features that the other systems plain didn't have, such as the Dreamcast's hardware OIT which PC GPUs couldn't into until the advent of OpenGL CS and Vulkan in the early-mid 2010s, the PS2's hilariously autistic VUs which could do all sorts of rad shit PCSX2 still struggles to properly emulate, the Gamecube's Macfag hardware+SDKs with an efficient and flexible fixed pipeline and the Xbox' first-generation pixel and vertex shaders, making the "weak" moniker somewhat superfluous
>the PS2 winning the 6th gen somehow justifying Nintendo's ass-backwards weak cheap hardware=good "strategy" they've been ramming through every Nintendrone's throats since the Wii
<when half of what made the PS2 the undisputed winrar of the 6th gen wasn't the "weak" hardware which was notoriously difficult to work with compared to the competition, it was the massive gap between the Japanese March 2000 launch date and the post-9/11 September 2001 launch date of the Gamecube that not only gave Sony a whopping 18 months to build up an initial install base of games and users but with the Dreamcast's death 12 months after the PS2 launch a 6-month period of complete monopoly of the 6th generation home console market in a time when DEI faggotry hadn't properly manifested and developers were still trying to make games that were fun
<the other half being the PS2 using double-layered DVDs while being a then-fully specced DVD player at a pricepoint that outcompeted dedicated DVD players on top of releasing at just the right time to forcibly accelerate VHS' slow but inevitable demise as the premier normalfag home bideo format
<even the PS3 could've gotten over its nogaems phase if it'd released in March of 2005 with the 360 and Wii releasing in fall of 2006 against a PS3 that by that point would've seen at least one major price cut, obviously that didn't happen 
>the Wii "winning" the 7th gen justifying all sorts of retarded decisions by Nintendo
<when the 7th gen was an abject disaster with no real "winners", Microshaft should've handily "won" on paper as they had the best starting point and did very well for the first few years, but they kept blowing through shekels with pajewt management and early DEI projects to the point that the whole Xcocks endeavor incl. absolute brain-rending garbage like the Kinect netted them a multi-billion dollar loss.jpg
<SCE almost sank itself with their mightier-than-thou strategy for the PS3 coupled with a destructive corporate restructuring in 2006 right before the 2008 crisis with the company only getting back on its feet thanks to due to M$ shooting itself in the foot and Nintendo's lightning in a bottle having discharged all of its electricity while small-scale nipponese developers were flocking to Sony for the purpose of releasing weeb hentai gaems
<objectively speaking the Wii had burned itself out by 2009 with most retirement homes having bought all the Wiis they'd ever need and the casual troglodyte audience Nintendo had so effortlessly (and probably accidentally) weaponized following the Wii's initial 2006 ad campaign being swept away by Steve Jewb's reality distortion field with the 2008 launch of the iPhone 3G and its crapp store
>the Sega Saturn having the worst hardware architecture of the 5th gen which was half the reason it failed and further justifies the Nintendrone delusion of "weaker=better"
<when from an objective standpoint the N64's horrendously gimped bus system coupled with asinine decisions from Nintendo regarding the use of cartridges and Zip drives far outweighs the autistic but capably labyrinthine Saturn architecture, with enough autism it allowed nipponese devs to pull off some mighty impressive layering effects whereas getting games to run at 60 fps on the N64 required devs to either be among a small clique of British and Germans, attain divine intellect, be M64 romhackers from 20 years in the future or part of Nintendo's internal dev teams who had access to newer RDP microcode actively withheld from third party developers
<As even a passing glance at 1995 Japanese Saturn-PSX sales numbers and the Japanese Saturn library clearly shows the Saturn's failure can be 75%-90% attributed to the irrational business decisions taken by Sega itself, primarily SoA's premature US Saturn launch and the miscommunications/rivalry between SoJ and SoA.

Fuck, even the objectively successful Switch which unlike the Wii at least got a steady stream of actual games throughout its lifespan is just Nintendo lucking out again by choosing cheap shitter hardware with SDKs and documentation so good emulators sprang up before you knew it at a time when AAA-DEI was and still is fully immersed in budgetary TBTF, the great number of mobileshitter devs available as ARM poogramming contractors also helped.
With the Steam Dong happily running Jewzu and Rijewjinx along with 6 million PC games in spite of using GNU/Linux and many portable PCs utilizing amd64, ARM and soon RISC-V coming out of the woodwork though it's highly doubtful Mark's benefactors can repeat the Switches success by releasing anudda Switch but with better hardware.

>>249948
>objectively speaking the Wii had burned itself out by 2009
The humor I find in that statement is that it seems like majority of the Wii's best games released from the 2009-2011 period. The Last Story, Red Steel 2, Sin & Punishment 2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Ghostbusters, MadWorld, Fragile Dreams, Lost in Shadow, Xenoblade, and so on.

Speaking of which, something I noticed when looking at my Wii U, 3DS, and Dreamcast library is that majority of the "best" games for those systems come out either in the first or second year of release (That includes third-parties). Meanwhile it seems like nearly every other system I own games for managed to have the best games interspersed throughout the consoles entire life span. Even the GC, despite being the "loser" of the sixth gen, still managed to have a strong library of games all the way up to the Wii despite lacking the "heavy hitters" of that generation.

>>249952
>console sales slow down
>game quality improves
Though in all likelihood this coincided with shovelware devs moving on to soyphones, leaving the rest of the Wii's lifespan to proper video game-playing audiences.
Doesn't change the fact though that sales from '09 onwards cratered compared to the system's early years, if not for the old men advertisement at launch the Wii would've probably had Gamecube-esque levels of success overall.
>something I noticed when looking at my Wii U, 3DS, and Dreamcast library is that majority of the "best" games for those systems come out either in the first or second year of release (That includes third-parties)
The Dreamcast had a 28-month lifespan in Japan and only 18 months in the US.

I hate when people pretend MGS2 and FFVIII weren't divisive games when they were released, and to "prove it" they just post the same shill gamemag reviews over and over as if the Official Playstation Magazine spoke for everyone.

>>249986
I don't remember anyone saying FF8 at least wasn't divisive, or at least weird compared to the games around it.

>>249617 (OP) 
The Kane & Lynch games were fun, both in co-op and online.
Well, the online was fun if you could find a game where everyone didn't fucking kill each other as soon as the level started. Then the last survivor gets gunned down by cops.

>>249991
On 4cuck they pretend FFVIII was universally loved from day 1 and if you have some qualms about it, it must be because of Spoony.

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>>250000
I personally loved FFVIII (never finished though) and i remember being surprised hearing by FF fans how shit and disappointing it was.
So this has to be some kind of revisionism going on, or maybe after the shit SquareEnix pulled out in recent years they realized FF8 wasn't that bad after all, and regret talking bad about it.
Same thing for MGS2.
I liked the game but i hated Raiden that it was another case of:
< "let's change the cool MC for some younger effeminate version to make happy those japanese faggots who think reaching puberty means being old and that life is over once you leave school"
And i remember many people shitting on the game for the very reason and the fact that "everything was just a simulation".
In order to make Raiden cool in later games they had to turn him into Grey Fox, essentially.

>>250009
No, 8 always had retarded mechanics design that makes no sense, aren't intuitive, and screw you over for not knowing how they work, but are super exploitable if you have even the slightest idea how they work. Any like for it was because it was after FF7.

>>250010
>No, 8 always had retarded mechanics design that makes no sense, aren't intuitive, and screw you over for not knowing how they work
I mean that's kind of on the player for not reading the computer in the first room of the game that explains all of it really.

>>250009
>I personally loved FFVIII (never finished though) and i remember being surprised hearing by FF fans how shit and disappointing it was.
From the FF fan postings I've seen, theres a huge schism over whether FF7 or FF8'' was better.

>>250009
ff7 feels like a very complete game, with plenty of solid combat that you can choose to minmax to minigames and sidequests with both trivial and real impacts, to include hidden content and characters. the story is solid too, can be humorous, with solid character development, and some nice twists. all in all ff7 just feels like a complete game. I don't think it reinvented the genre but it definitely upped the bar.

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>>249917
>i-if you don't like my fetish y-you're gay
It's far from the first time I to hear this line and it manages to sound so insecure every single time.

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>>250013
>nigger party member
>gay nigger gangrape ( https://yotube.com/watch?v=tWVdv4Qalcg )
>story about le heckin environmentarino and le bad corporatino (I could ignore this if not for the other two factors)
Never playing it.

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>>250019
>>250020
>butthurt sage
>admits he's never even played the game, not a single gameplay criticism
>cuckchan lingo
You'll fit right in here.

>>250012
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>>249991
>>249986
FF7 fandom is so hardcore whenever you used to download a psx emulator and or ISO for FF7 it'd often mention it being the best psx game ever made. FF7 wow'd people so hard FF8 could never be good enough. FF8 is fine but people, being retarded as always, expected better. Like with Chrono Cross not being good enough, Chrono Trigger was just too good. Lightning in a bottle sort of thing. 
>>250010
It was hated due to being after seven tho....
>>250013
It was a very good game.  If not for random battles it'd be perfect. Enemies shoulda been visible like in some other JRPG games. Why not? I hate jump scares. 
<but FF
Don't care. 
>>250021
"Tryhards" do indeed fit in with minimal effort, ironically. Makes me wanna watch The Wave again (1981).

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>>250021
>yeah bro, in this game you play as naked niggers with prolapsed AIDS-filled anuses killing and raping White people and smoking weed while Jewish rap about trans rights is playing on the background
>but what do you mean that the game is shit!? you never even played it! the gameplay is also very good, trust me!
(Before someone spergs out, that's just an imaginary scenario based on that logic, I'm not talking about FF7 specifically)

>>250026
Are you fucking insane? The protagonist is white. All the heroines are white. The main villain is white. The bath scene is clearly a fucking joke but you're too autistic to understand those so I get it. The game has themes you don't personally like but that doesn't instantly make them invalid.
You're only real valid point is there being a nigger party member but Barrett isn't treated like he's an actual nigger or like he's in a fucking marvel movie and shoved in your face, he's just there. If you switched out his skin tone to white it would make next to no difference.
I don't even like FF7 but you're clearly just one of these faggots who will never like anything no matter what. I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you because you clearly don't play videogames anymore.

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>The bath scene is clearly a fucking joke but you're too autistic to understand those so I get it
<yeah bro if your sense of disgust is not conflated with sense of comedy you're an autist
>If you switched out his skin tone to white it would make next to no difference
<yeah bro just hallucinate colors just like i hallucinate my gender
>just one of these faggots who will never like anything no matter what
>you clearly don't play videogames anymore
<yeah bro X is the only game that exists and if you don't like it you don't like anything in life

>>250027
>it would make next to no difference
Guy literally raises another man's child. No Negro even raises his own, that's a pretty damn big difference there.

>>250034
It's pretty clear the devs just wanted to have B.A "Bad Attitude" Baracus in the party and didn't think too hard about the details.

>>250028
So what (retro) JRPG game do you like that's so much better than FF7?

>>249816
iir if you ignore the hey for too long it screams listen and makes you read it at at least one point. Also, mandela effect. Also says watch out when targetting something irr. But mandela effect.
>>249901
>time limit

>>249617 (OP) 
Youtube is old . It keeps recommending me realtor channels in Tampa or Florida but it's in polish or some slav language. There are poles living in Florida? all I hear is Spanish in Florida

>>249617 (OP) 
i know this thread might not be for this kind of posts but i just have to say this.
for games that have been around for years it gets confusing when talking to someone online and they say "I played that when i was 8 years old" and you just don't know how old that person is because of how long has been since the game was out.
TF2 players and Roblox players share this.

>>250041
>baby casual couldn't deal with the MM time limit
lmao

>>250037
I don't know, I'm not too big into JRPGs. But it would be the best JRPG after FF7 that does not have repulsive aesthetic or thematic choices, I guess.
>>250041
>mandela effect
More like... jewtube parrot effect.

>>250043
>tfw someone who was 8 when TF2 launched would be 25 now
Fuck I feel old

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>>250057
Holy shit, Grill. Calm down and take a break.

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>>250027
>If you switched out his skin tone to white it would make next to no difference.
It would make him a better character.
So yes, it would make a difference.

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I haven't seen this much revision of anything IRL. Most normalfags I know either play huge franchises like Mario, garbage by president of the chess club or  the latest crafting nonsense that seems to attempt to clone Factorio. It probably is a illusion as some have suggested ITT. What I have spotted instead is are:

< Pretentious journo types writing a special about some bullshit that had been universally ignored at the time to justify his writing gig in some print magazine only old farts like us are still buying.
< Some collector call a game a hidden gem to rationalize how the garbage he clearly overpaid for is actually valuable so he doesn't create SAO_shotgun_incident.webm over his horrible financial decision.
< Some plebbitor who got bell curved into praising mediocre slop, because he things newer is better, despite the fact what ignorant troglodytes liked about an earlier iteration and what made that thing actually good are identical.

Most of those people aren't normalfags.

>>249617 (OP) 
Wasn't Spec Ops the line a remake of heart of darkness? I am pretty certain it was vidya of Heart of Darkness. 

>>249948

< the Sega Saturn having the worst hardware architecture of the 5th gen which was half the reason it failed and further justifies the Nintendrone delusion of "weaker=better"

Are they shitting me? Most N64 games looked fucking horrible in comparison to most other things. 

>>250025
Let's not forget that many people new to Final Fantasy when VII came out expected better and better. Even the next installments healing 3 kinds of cancer and also AIDS. Because VI and VII were such sacred cows. The disappointment in VIII was very visible and hilarious.

In hindsight the entire thing fell apart around X, when Squenix gave up the characteristic Active Time Battle™ system. It really was dead in a ditch when a lot of key people either retired or left.

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>>256645
>Wasn't Spec Ops the line a remake of heart of darkness? I am pretty certain it was vidya of Heart of Darkness. 
I read Heart of Darkness and I don't see any connection at all, you sound like one of those mentally lacking people OP is describing
>when you talk to someone about an old game and you start to notice that the person you are talking to is just parroting something.
Whose words are you parroting, anon?

>>256647
>I read Heart of Darkness and I don't see any connection at all, you sound like one of those mentally lacking people OP is describing
John Konrad is literally named after Joseph Konrad.

>>256647
Nobodies? First because the plot of Spec Op the Line overall is a spike trap for pretentious people at best and the Devs ventilating himself with own farts at worst. Given the account from OP, its probably the latter. I am sorry I have confused you, but I have read more compelling plots in the manual to mindless arcade games. At least that game is just pretentious not refuting itself like the true mythology of Dragon Quest XI

>>256648
And? The game's narrative is nothing like the book besides "X party goes to search for Y party" which is so generic it could describe a million other stories. Solid Snake's name, much of his character, and some of his plot elements were clearly lifted from John Carpenter's movie and its main character, but you wouldn't say "Metal Gear" is a "remake" of "Escape from New York" it would you? By that metric every single "Hero X saves the world from villain Y" fictional story is a remake of the previous. I'll can take "vaguely inspired by" but "a remake of" is some serious retarded reaching.

>>256651
I don't think it's a remake either. However the influence from the book is there.

>>249617 (OP) 
>No Man's Sky
Tell me it wasn't a clever money laundering scheme lol.

>>256653
Isn't it still getting updates? I think it got a fishing overhaul last month

>>256645
>SAO_shotgun_incident.webm
Context?
I've seen the webm of that one fag with the bullpup shotgun ending himself and I know the second part of SAO is about some sperg with anti-fun trauma playing violent video games to get over her liberal fears, but I don't remember anything involving shotguns and SAO in particular.
>>256653
It came out, so no.

>>256657
Its the faggot with the bullup shotgun. You may recreate that video too, if I you lost your life savings on every copy of that Burgeking Xbox 360 game in the world.

>>256653
It came out and supposedly got much better than it should have.

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>>249948
>As even a passing glance at 1995 Japanese Saturn-PSX sales numbers and the Japanese Saturn library clearly shows the Saturn's failure can be 75%-90% attributed to the irrational business decisions taken by Sega itself, primarily SoA's premature US Saturn launch and the miscommunications/rivalry between SoJ and SoA.
The funny thing is that Sega could have dominated the Japanese market with the Saturn had they not decided to can the X-rating. I'm not shitting you, unlike earlier systems which include the PC-Engine that was just a consolized PC-98, the Saturn had somehow "cracked the code" when it came to Japanese game developers porting over PC games (Primarily eroges) to consoles. This resulted in the Spring of 1996 being one of the best sales season the Saturn had seen in Japan since the system launched as numerous erotica titles were releases back-to-back.
And what did Sega do?
They canned the X rating by the fall for the more "acceptable" 18+ rating, meaning eroges had to tone down the sexaul content (If they didn't remove them entirely), in order to sell the console to the younger demographics. Yet as the years went one, the best selling and strongest genres on the Saturn were dating sims, like Sentimental Graffiti and Sega's own Sakura Wars. Yes, a couple did come over to the PS1 like Tokimeki Memorial, Angelique, and Policenauts, but nowhere near the amount that was on the Saturn. Despite being censored, EVE: burst Error and Kakyuusei were some of the highest demanded games on the Saturn. And Sega practically begged the developers of Kuro no Danshou to release the sequel on the Saturn since the first game was such a smash hit, but they had to decline due to the first game costing so much  to port over with additions added for the console release only to have it not provide enough return. Then the "final nail" in the coffin for the Saturn was the release of FF7 on the PS1.

To put it bluntly, Sega turned down sex, and their console suffered as a result.

>>249625
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>>249798
holy fucking shit take your meds.

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>>256660
>the PC-Engine that was just a consolized PC-98
This is so totally and utterly wrong that I'm not even going to read the rest of your post, as you must have written it during a psychotic episode.

>>256673
>quoting three MONTH old posts to say "take meds"

>>256679
>PCE
His retardation may stem from the fact that the Super CD-ROM addon which happened to be the only decently executed one of its kind had a not-insignificant amount of its library consist of uncensored エロげ ported from the PC-98 in the form of full-on remakes due to CD Audio and the considerable differences in hardware.
Funny considering that SoJ may have learned from their mistakes with the MCD and thus initially steered the Saturn in a similar direction to the PCE CD in Japan, but then censornigs happened.
I don't believe Sega could've remained numba wan in the Nip market on the strength of their 変態 alone, FFVII was fuckhueg and Sony at the time wouldn't have hesitated to hire a few risque VN devs for PSX-exclusive smut in the interest of competition.
>Meds
I bet it's Eden.

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>>249617 (OP) 
>One of the things thats quite annoying is when you talk to someone about an old game and you start to notice that the person you are talking to is just parroting something. You'll notice phrases,words,sentences being almost exactly the same. Kind of like deja-vu. And something that has happened several times is me coming across a video essay on youtube (which i never watch) and seeing the exact same opinion expressed in that video.
So, just like politics (and almost everything else)
That's why normalfags are normalfags.
>Common thing i see is that alot of people that have these opinions say something like 
<oh i played this in my childhood
>or something like that. 
The "muh childhood" thing seems like it became the base braindead comment when something is being discussed online.
I am starting to think many of those retards who write "muh childhood" are GenZ who are lying just to feel part of something.

>>256715
>hating your childhood memories of gaming to own the normalfags
Imageboards are increasingly becoming mistakes

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>>256716
It's not about hating childhood memories, it's about braindead morons thinking that spamming "muh childhood" over everything makes them interesting or "deep".

>>256660
>To put it bluntly, Sega turned down sex, and their console suffered as a result.
Sega simply didn't want their console to be a beacon of soft pornography. If you need dicks and cum to sell you're not looking at the right kind of product.
Anyway, who played the Saturd?
>>256715
The childhood parameter adds extra value to a person. A form of nobility and knowledge all rolled into on. You don't want to be a newfag who discovered bideo gaems yesterday after all, right? It's shit anyway because I don't mind virgins and using emulators to help people discover old games is such a fantastic experience. Simpler games with far more genuine artistic content and with zero to very low pozz.

>>249617 (OP) 
So, people having tastes you don't share, people blindly regurgitating something they heard, and marketers going 2DEEP4U to defend a shoddy product: none of these qualifies as "revisionism", or as anything noteworthy given they're all older than the internet. 
>inb4 HURR BUT I THINK THAT OLD GAME IS BAD SO IF MANY PEPLE DISAGREE IT MUST BE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH

>>256739
>anyways who played the Saturd
<talking shit about the Saturn
Go back to reddit

>>256716
No, the people who use them are.

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>>249617 (OP) 
>One of the things thats quite annoying is when you talk to someone about an old game and you start to notice that the person you are talking to is just parroting something. You'll notice phrases,words,sentences being almost exactly the same. Kind of like deja-vu. 
The most retarded normalfag trend is thinking that everything new is always better and an improvement, while anything older is always worse, 'obsolete' and can't possibly be objectively better, and that if you think so, it's just because of nostalgia even if you explain in detail and bring out some valid points.

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>>262045
>that mp4

>>257325
Hit in the feefees

>>256716
>Missing the point this hard

>>249617 (OP) 
The issue is there's a generation of people raised on games so fucking mediocre that they don't know what quality looks like anymore and start to buy into garbage about how some games are deep and shit.

These people have no baseline. No experience. They consume opinions passively because the games they play are played passively and the education system they go through is all about fucking brainless regurgitation and pretending shit is deep and passing that off as insight (your high school essay was this). So that's what these midwits do. They don't think for themselves because not thinking has worked for them so far and they don't see the value in the mental effort.

It's horrible but the cure is usually to expose people to quality games that are actually engrossing and expose them to shit that is actually deep. Sure, some people will stay retarded, but a lot of people learn to recalibrate their expectations when confronted with something that forces them to think more, appreciate more, and recognize more what quality looks like.

>>274931
> there's a generation of people raised on games so fucking mediocre that they don't know what quality looks like

This is a fact that most people do not truly appreciate. The zoomer generation looks at gaming completely differently than say a millennial. Zoomers have little to no experience with the medium in the sense of it being a new technology that the world has never seen. It has always been there, so their baseline is whatever the companies say it is. It's literally the fortnite to fortnite in 10 years meme. Zoomers and many other people have no standards. They don't demand creativity and they don't demand any kind of advancement. They will buy the bing bing wahoo no matter what because they are used to it.

People need to start raising their standards and no longer accept slop from DEI faggot devs. We need to force devs to go back to innovating and creating new content no one has seen before. The good news is that AI will essentially fix all of this. Soon we will be able to make whatever game we want and devs will be completely pointless. We will all be devs

>>274993
I've seen casuals like that understand the anger about games sucking now once they've played truly good games and realized what good games are, just what was possible and done in the past and how much further it could've been taken and then how much worse it got instead. But they needed to experience good games to understand why we call the current slop bad. They need to enjoy engaging thinking games before understanding the disdain for brainless games. They need to experience good innovation and the potential of videogames to really understand the issue with derivative slop.

It's hard to find fault with what's missing with today's games, if you don't even know what's missing. And that's why you get people who will buy into retarded shit like some old-ass shitty game being secretly deep. They've never experienced a deep game and they've never experienced a good game, so for a lot of these types, as far as they're concerned something like Spec Ops: The Line is a perfectly good game compared to what they usually play so the real issue must be that people don't like the narrative (after all, modern games are usually about dull gameplay where the real selling point is the mediocre narrative). Of course, another part of the issue is social media addiction and how likes/upvotes bullshit over-encourages hiveminding for validation. Shit's habit-forming, so a lot of people end up doing that shit where they copy popular opinions unconsciously.

>>275007
Yup. Well said.

It sucks that we have to wait for AI to get good to see any progression in the medium. When I look at zoomers I'm just blown away that they have zero ability or desire to experience better games. Their brains are just fried. The NPC meme is real

>>274993
>We need to force devs to go back to innovating and creating new content no one has seen before.
>The good news is that AI will essentially fix all of this.
Sub-90 IQ opinion. One cannot outsource the magic of human creativity to a machine and one cannot expect next-token-prediction LLMs to do anything but what they are prompted to do.

Niggerpill could you please learn to spell "a lot". It drives me crazy. Thanks.
>>275007
>hiveminding for validation.
I thought that
<old thing good, new thing bad
was a popular hivemind opinion nowadays, especially on Reddit. Maybe I'm wrong though I don't go there.

>>275035
>It sucks that we have to wait for AI to get good to see any progression in the medium.
>AI
Anon, this is about the desire for quality human entertainment that has meaningful innovation and depth and you want to outsource that to AI? Are you retarded?

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>>274993
Zoomers are capable of rediscovering the magic if you find the right way to go about it
The real problem is how brands have a virtually hypnotic hold on their minds. The last decades have been a disaster with brands, marketing, and PR brainwashing kids into thinking they're their friends. Social media has had a major hand in that.
The other big problem is that corporate tyrants have supplanted community-managed spaces and replaced them with centrally-managed jails they rule with an iron fist thanks to their vaguely-defined ((( ToS ))) and ((( CoCs ))) that can be creatively reinterpreted on a whim to justify anything. Anyone exposing uncomfortable truths or rocking the boat too loudly gets banhammered for bullshit subjective reasons ('toxicity', 'unsportsmanlike conduct', 'making others feel unsafe', 'trolling', etc.) without recourse. Staff then craft convenient narratives after the fact to justify their abuses.
And lastly anyone who manages bans gets penalized by algorithms, which promote only what the company wants or increases 'engagement'. Anyone else is made undiscoverable, especially those with standards who post anything that upsets paypiggies and consumerist mouthbreathers and are unhappy with the company's greed and lack of care.

>>275049
Being a hiveminding dumbass is still being a hiveminding dumbass, even if you're being hipster/retro about it. That's how you end up with dumb takes like Spec Ops: The Line being a great game because it's old and it has clever "subversion" of expectations of shit since a popular youtuber jerked himself off about how deep it is.

>>275049
><old thing good, new thing bad
>was a popular hivemind opinion nowadays
no shit. if you're a marketer promoting your latest release of course you're gonna want to convince all the goycattle that new = good and that anyone who likes old stuff must be biased or out of touch. it's marketing 101

>>275057
So in your estimation it's more important that they understand why it's good? If that's the case then I understand your frustration because very few people are capable of being that analytical.
>>275061
I think you may have misread the post.

>>275035
>AI=creative and good
I want to fucking stomp cuckchanner skulls in. You faggots are fucking retarded. There is nothing of value of something made by a machine. There is no creativity or thought behind it. Just a generated soulless heap of trash. You are advocating for a future that is a EAT THE BUGS drip feed dystopian shithole.

>>275050
If you thunk AI wont be capable of bringing entire new ways of gaming to us on an unimaginable scale you are literally retarded.

Shit, you can add AI to pretty much any game now and it would be infinitely better than ANYTHING a human dev could ever do. Imagine firing up Civ 5 for example, but now all the opponents are thinking as a real AI. Simply doing this alone makes that better than any dev could. Or think about AI controlling opponents in any shooter. Bow it isn't dumb scripted trash, but thunking opponents. Or have AI now control ALL NPCS in GTA. You have an instantly different and more in depth game. No human can do this ever.

Now take this and have AI create entire new game genres. Dark Souls mixed with GTA, done. No game dev is doing this nor could they. AI is the literal future and if you think otherwise you simply aren't paying attention

>>275050
If AI surpasses humans, then the best art will come from computers.

>>275077
Offloading previously algorithmically controlled tasks to a more advanced algorithm is not novel or inventive. Your NPC example is only an incremental improvement upon an already well developed idea.

Your smashing two game genres together is similarly non-novel. You are taking two developed ideas and combining them in a very literal way. An algorithm can do this, but it's not particularly inventive. "AI" definitely has a place in games development, but it's not revolutionary. It definitionally cannot be since it must be trained on existing data and is expressly designed to manipulate that data to reproduce predictable results.

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>>275077
>Imagine firing up Civ 5 for example, but now all the opponents are thinking as a real AI.
So it fucking sucks?  It's amazing that, for how long 4X/strategy games have been around, there's always been people who barely play them like yourself begging for more human-like opponents.  But I have a secret for you anon: strategy devs know how to do this.  They've known how to do it for a long time, and in fact they often playtest and reject things when they accidentally make the computer player too clever.  The reason is simple: when you are defeated by a very clever computer opponent you don't feel like you've been outsmarted--heh, good game my worthy rival--like you do with an actual human being.  You simply feel cheated.

Why?  Because games are about testing one's skill for the purposes of entertainment.  When you're facing off against another human, one of the major skills you're employing is your ability to empathize with an accurately predict what your fellow human is thinking.  This is not a skill you can deploy against a computerized opponent.  They do not think.  They have not experienced a childhood.  They haven't experienced anything analogous to what a human has experienced in order to shape their approach to game strategy.

Thus, singleplayer game experiences have to test some other kind of skill.  The key to good singleplayer design is predictability.  It is predictability that allows a player to develop skill and feel rewarded when they overcome a challenge.  The smartest AI opponent is anything but predictable.  And that's why it's been rejected over and over by strategy game developers for decades.

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>>275077
Oh my fuck you are one of those retards with utopian thinking about neural network AI. Listen, the Civ 5 AI sucks because it was designed by a bunch of incompetents. There are so many fucking mods out there that improve the AI. You can have good AI without neural networks, and none of us are looking for the perfect Civ 5 AI that can skullfuck human players 100 times out of 100 or the AI that is perfectly calibrated to matching your skill level where you feel like you never got to taste the rewards of getting good at overcoming the game's challenges. The reason Civ 5 AI sucks is because Civ 5 was made by people who suck at playing Civ, which is also the reason why modders are so much better at fixing it. Civ 6's mod scene doesn't have good AI because the faggot devs refused to make AI moddable despite the enormous community pleading for it, because they didn't like how it exposed their own incompetence and are trying to sell you Civ 7 where the AI is also shit and they are still butthurt and embarrassed from the time Civ 5 continued to outsell Civ 6 and have a higher player count than it. Neural networks will not solve that kind of cancer and they are not the wished for solution either.

Go play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri where the game is much better (it is widely agreed to be the best Civ game ever and one of the contenders for best game ever) and the AI is much less retarded so you can understand what good Civ games look like and once you can beat that AI, install kyrub or Thinker's AI enhancement patches to take it further.

>>275078
Ah fuck, you are one of those idiots who has never experienced good art and is therefore a believer in AI slop saving us. I guess we've moved from "Release/Patches/DLC/mods/sequels will fix everything guiz!" to "Neural network AI will fix everything guiz!" type thinking. Listen, the amount of fucking depth required for AI to comprehend what makes games fun and fulfilling for humans and how to appeal to that and engage that in a good way is enormous. And at least half the challenge in good game design is human empathy so that you can make something that is properly fun, engrossing, and challenging. That's not an endeavor you want to leave over to AI. That's an endeavor that humans, for obvious fucking reasons, tend to be better at. There are in fact good game devs out there, you know.

>>275130
By the way, if you're going to play SMAC, don't play the Alien Crossfire expansion, at least at the beginning. It just waters down the game a lot. Just play the vanilla game first.

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>>275133
I always forget to play Alpha Centauri. I guess I'll have to see if it works on modern monitors, I don't have my crt anymore. Thanks anon!

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>>275053
you are correct as well

brands have now replaced religions. Instead of trying to be a good person and following commandments, zoomers do what the church of twitch tells them and can only think about consumption. This is all on purpose btw

>>275351
>I always forget to play Alpha Centauri. I guess I'll have to see if it works on modern monitors, I don't have my crt anymore. Thanks anon!
Right, there are two patches you should install:
Bugfixing patch: https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=365 (You don't actually need this, but good to have.)
Resolution/graphics patch: https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=14308.msg64328 (If you have issues getting it to run on your monitor/resolution, you will want this patch - although you could fuck around with ini files and whatnot to get the game working without any patch. But this adds support for a lot more screen resolutions and some other shit, so it's preferred.)

>>275392
Thank you, anon! I bookmarked these for later. I appreciate it!

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>>275045
>One cannot outsource the magic of human creativity to a machine

absolute brainlet take. You believe a human is the epitome of creation. Imagine being low IQ genetic trash like this. This is why you are part of the slave class, anon. You don't see what's coming because you lack basic self awareness

>>275409
It's probably always going to be a ≤ human model (or will be in your lifetime) because human-derivative, even worse SAAR-derivative data, is so far still easily detectable through eyesight or intuition.

>>275409
Just because you're a retarded subhuman nigger doesn't mean everyone else is on the same level of intelligence and creativity as you

>>275402
You're welcome. It's a damn good game, especially if you enjoy science fiction like Frank Herbert's works.

>>275409
You're the idiot treating neural network AI like a genie that will make your wishes come true.

I bet you can't review Pillars of Eternity without uttering 'purple prose'.

>>275130
>Civ 6's mod scene doesn't have good AI because the faggot devs refused to make AI moddable despite the enormous community pleading for it, because they didn't like how it exposed their own incompetence and are trying to sell you Civ 7 where the AI is also shit and they are still butthurt and embarrassed from the time Civ 5 continued to outsell Civ 6 and have a higher player count than it.
Fun fact: Civ 6 is currently outselling Civ 7.

>>276582
Fun fact: all three are still vastly inferior to Civ4 and Freeciv.

>>275077
>falls for hype marketing
>calls everyone else retarded
Threadly reminder that this is LITERALLY how all slopfags think.

>>276294
no one can

>>275077
>all the opponents are thinking as a real AI
uhhhh, you realize that computer opponent CPU or simply AI was a thing since inception of gaming? Before you normalfaggots REVISIONED the term

Even Angry Joe was honest about Kane and Lynch 2

>>249617 (OP) 
>"oh this is something i played in muh childhood"
>the retard narrating the video is at least a decade younger than me and was usually not born yet back when the game was released.

>>276815
It's very possible to grow up with things that are older than you. Not sure what you're getting at here.

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the amount of retarded nigger faggots in this thread who think AI isn't the future and isn't going to leave human devs in the dust is proof that the NPC meme is real

>>249948
>they've been ramming through every Nintendrone's throats since the Wii
not since the wii, that's incorrect. since the game and watch released in 1980. their entire business model is based around the ideas from gunpei "gigachad" yokoi called "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology". this approach saves them a lot of money and they can still pump out decent games using the maximum of whatever hardware's potential. they save a fortune in hardware costs this way and still remain profitable. you seem to forget that your typical gamer doesn't really give that much of a fuck about the underlying hardware, only care about the actual game. if game runs smoothly and looks great, people are happy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi?useskin=vector#Design_philosophy

>soon RISC-V coming out of the woodwork
risc-v chips have been produced for several years already. it's not easy to just change from one processor to another. nintendo has been balls deep in the ARM architecture since the gameboy advance.

>>276602
Fun fact: Even those are inferior to glorious Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

>>276977
Here's a (You) out of pity

>>277211
I'm waiting for the day you can implement full Alpha Centauri ruleset in Freeciv.  Then we will have reached perfection.

>>275061
>if you're a marketer promoting your latest release of course you're gonna want to convince all the goycattle that new = good and that anyone who likes old stuff must be biased or out of touch. it's marketing 101
Exactly
That's why you hear the whole "nostalgia glasses" gaslighting tactic being pushed for hard, because they want to convince people that their modern slop is better.

>>249617 (OP) 
>but in the past couple of years theres been a massive shift in opinion
you had me till there. try the last fucking decade. next time make examples you actually know something about dipshit op.

>deep in the ARM 
Tell me why psp was mips and successful, while vita was arm and basically commercial failure? Do different architectures really filter brown programmers?

>>277271
meant for you>>276985

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>>249617 (OP) 
I can stand how suddently Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 became "objectively bad" and "only beloved due to nostalgia" and not long after it "Sonic was never good" became a common take that people usually say to sound intelligent. I can't help but feel it's Nintendo journalists and content creators still sore about 90's console wars making this sort of push, it sucks.

>>278764
"Sonic was never good" was started by game journalists precisely to give themselves some gamer cred. "Mario popular? I'll go for the lowest hanging fruit and say Mario good Sonic bad." The people saying this never beat a Sonic game in their lives. Jeff Gerstmann said Sonic 3 was bad because they made his sprite look better and therefore every Sonic game after that is automatically bad. This is the caliber of retards you are dealing with.

"Sonic games are fun and carefree and aren't serious games for serious game journalists like myself! Gone Home is a 5 out of 5."

>>278767
The only Sanic game I've spent significant time on is Sonic 2, which I've beaten on one credit and on a speed challenge no less.  I dunno if other Sonic games have better design, but I think Sonic 2 has a fundamental design flaw where it strongly encourages you to go fast but rarely telegraphs obstacles in a way the player can react to at full speed without foreknowledge.  Thus the game devolves to extremely rote memorization where to actually go fast and play in an impressive manner you have to memorize every intricate detail of a level.

By contrast, I actually think the original Super Mario Bros. (of which I've also completed a no-continue, no-warps speed challenge) has much better speed design that encourages running straight through levels without demanding hardcore memorization of every intricate obstacle.  It's a shame subsequent Mario Bros. games dropped this focus on speed because the original game did it really well.  Even "Lost Levels" didn't do it as well because the game has a bunch of dickhead design trying to troll the player.

>>278779
Classic Sonic games were designed with the idea that the player will learn to go fast by replaying the stages and learning the layout.
I understand why someone would not find appealing this approach to level design, but I don´t see it as neccesarily flawed. It helps replay value in my opinion.
Relating to Sonic, there is a problem that some idiot reviewers have towards not only Sonic, but other plataformers, that if one game diverges from the cookie cutter "Mario-like" design approach, it´s called bad because some retards still think gaming owns everything to Nintendo.

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>>278779
It's common for people to mention this, especially those that use the "Sonic was never good" argument, though I'm aware you're not part of that group, just mentioning that I see it a lot, and while I get where it's coming from, calling it a fundamental design flaw to me is just not true, you don't have to memorize everything, often you have to memorize very little, as long as you know to spindash, roll into a ball in slopes, especially downwards ones, and jump over pits to platform properly, you're mostly invulnerable as Sonic, and the ring system makes it so getting hit a few times isn't too severe as you can get your rings back, you might not play through perfect and beautiful runs of stages unless you memorize a lot, but playing it fast with few mistakes? It's not a complicated thing to do as long as you understand how it works and keep a few basic concepts of Sonic in mind during it.

>>278764
>Sonic was never good" became a common take that people usually say to sound intelligent
I'm pretty sure that "people" don't say this about Sonic to sound intelligent.

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>>278779
>Thus the game devolves to extremely rote memorization where to actually go fast and play in an impressive manner you have to memorize every intricate detail of a level.
Yeah, that's kind of the point. It's not different than a lot of arcade-inspired games at the time designed around the player finding the most advantageous method of farming points and beating the game. In fact, Sonic is one of those games that actually rewards experimentation with it's mechanics.

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>>278802
>It's not different than a lot of arcade-inspired games at the time designed around the player finding the most advantageous method of farming points and beating the game.
This is a weird excuse to make for bad game design.  Super Mario Bros. is also clearly designed in the arcade tradition of the '80s yet it doesn't have Sonic's extreme trial-and-error mastery curve.

If they were to adapt Sonic to an actual arcade release they would probably want to make it a bit harder, perhaps removing the role of ring collection in postponing death and reducing the timer for each level.  They would have to be very careful though, treading a fine line between frustration and gratification.

I would say the arcade game closest to Sonic is an IREM scrolling shooter called Gallop/Cosmic Cop.  Funny enough, I'm actually a fan of this one.  It's extremely satisfying to blaze through the levels at top speed once you've done some hardcore memorization and know all the obstacles inside and out.  You get a ton of points for going fast as well, which it rewards with extra lives.  (Sonic by contrast misses this important incentive to encourage scoreplay)  However, on the second loop they gave the enemies too much health and you're suddenly forced to play very slowly and carefully just to survive.  It's a very satisfying game until the second loop where it kind of ruins its appeal.  Despite being a fan of the game, I am very ready to admit that like Sonic it has a rather flawed mastery curve: gitting gud mostly amounts to extremely rote stage memorization.  Perhaps the only other source of depth is understanding the various mechanical works of the ship weapons and realizing your hitbox is much smaller than the ship graphic suggests.

>>278808
I'll add that this kind of trial-and-error mastery curve in Cosmic Cop is probably one of the reasons it wasn't wasn't very popular in arcades.  It's one of IREM's lesser known games in spite of all the effort they put into it.  The gorgeous art and great soundtrack are all courtesy of the same people that would eventually make Metal Slug.

>>249690
>image 5
>呆子
Even though it's just one word, it feels good to see some Mandarin pop in out of nowhere and be able to understand it. I must keep learning

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>>249617 (OP) 
I personally liked spec ops the line, mostly cause I didn't play the garbage singleplayer and I only played the multiplayer on Steam.
tl:dr none of this pretentious faggot shit affected me cause call of dooty tier third person multiplayooer

>>249617 (OP) 
I have seen that the current trend is to have snippets of a vid that shows the possibly only good moments of a cutscene, as the gameplay itself isn't worth shit, and normalfags say they now love said game. But if they can even remember the name of the game seconds after they scroll to the next video I would be surprised. It certainly isn't going to bring any new games for franchise like Kane & Lynch.
>>256653
I do wonder how the fuck Hello Games has managed to continue updating the game for free while releasing 1 other game in the past 9 years. 
>>277271
Pretty hard to compare the two when the Vita had significantly more issues leading to its demise. If anything the Vita proved how successful it was when its library was almost completely ported over to the PS4 to prop Sony's console. That is to say there were plenty of games developed for the Vita.
>>278814
Played the singleplayer and if I didn't already know about the pretentious bullshit surrounding the game I wouldn't have noticed. You pop some bombs on some civilians and move on and shoot the US troops at the end. Who cares? As if games didn't already let you build cities and let aliens blow it up or amusement death traps or the player trying kill everyone in a game anyway. It only shows how successful this marketing tactic was since to this day it is still talked about, more so then the actual game itself.

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>>278815
>oh no we killed some middle eastern people, damn. all your fault player.
crazy how that's something worth talking about years after the game died

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>>249617 (OP) 
The Talos Principle apparently changed the lives of many youtubers. I can understand that sentiment if a kid said it. Not adults. Mechanics aren't explored. Becomes repetitive as soon as you reach B building. Does not flow. And railroad philosophy doesn't cut it.

>>278820
I've been meaning to play that for years. Are you saying it's not worth it? If you've played the sequel, how about that?

>>278822
Starts strong but them becomes im14andthisisdeep. Puzzles becomes stale and repetitive. 
Here are the philosophical questions it asks: [spoiler]What is a human? What is consciousness? Can a robot be conscious? Can a robot have ethics?[/spoiler]
I guess if you've never thought about those questions it will blow your mind.
I haven't played the sequel.
It's an average game. But youtubers will go out of their way to tell you how fucking super deep it is and how it changed their lives.
Gameplay is inspired by portal and antichamber.

>>278823
Thank you for the decent answer. I never watched anything about it from ((( content creators ))), but it appeared to be the quintessential pseud shit Unreal Engine game of its time. I really like the Portal series even if I strongly dislike Valve and also consider Portal 1 to be overrated. I like and strongly recommend Superliminal, too. I wish there were more trippy first-person puzzle games like these.

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>>278822
I think the atmosphere really carries the game. The philosophy isn't worth much and can be ignored. But the Serious Sam ancient locales with the music and general feeling of exploring civilizations long gone is relaxing. The only enemies are confined to the puzzle areas and aren't going to hunt you down except very well defined areas. 
>>278825
Funny you mention Unreal Engine. They rereleased the game under "Reawakened" which puts the game in Unreal Engine when it was originally in the Serious engine. The game doesn't need it as the original engine looks and runs great where you can easily push hundreds of fps. But now the game struggles and you can find comparison videos where they did funky things to the textures that look worse IMO.

>>278822
Original is pretty good. I'll agree with not lifechanging, but I'll have to disagree with the other anon that it's just average.
Sequel is shit. Oversized maps making you waste more time running around than you spend in a lot of the puzzles. Which in turn is because they removed all difficulty, and instead made every world a base level exploration of a new mechanic. Add in a load of insufferable dialogue and even worse philosophy than the first game. And then there's retconning your character in the first game into being a stronk independent womyn robot, and the thrash optimization because lol UE5. It's basically a steaming pile of shit.
The very recently released UE5 remake of the original adds the same shit optimization, though it also replaces the ghost recording mechanic with one you have more control over. A lot of retards had issues with that mechanic, because it required you to actually think ahead a little. I'd still strongly advise to just ignore it, especialy if you're a buyfag.

>>278828
>Funny you mention Unreal Engine. They rereleased the game under "Reawakened" which puts the game in Unreal Engine when it was originally in the Serious engine
I didn't know that, interesting. Sad to hear it runs worse now.
>>278829
Well, I don't expect games like these to be cerebral, philosophical masterpieces so long as they're at least entertaining for at least single, blind playthrough.
>Sequel is shit
Alright, thanks for the comprehensive answer.
>I'd still strongly advise to just ignore it
Do you mean the original, sequel or the remake of the original?

>>278830
I meant ignore the remake. And the sequel as well, but that should be obvious from me calling it shit. 
Original is definitely worth a play.

>>278828
I agree the atmosphere is great.
>>278829
It's average because the bad cancels out the good. The puzzles are tedious, not clever. They start feeling like chores starting from B building. I probably had a total of 5 "Aha!" moments in the game.
>>278830
Play the original, not the rerelease. The only good thing about the rerelease is that the rewind button doesn't reset the level but goes back a few moments.

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>>278808
>This is a weird excuse to make for bad game design. 
Is it "bad design"? Even then, does it really matter? Someting I've noticed about a lot of old games is that the developers weren't afraid to have the player fail, either through the player's own stupidity or the game being cheap. And you want to know something I've noticed as a result of this: games being cheap actually are a lot of fun. This may be an example of Stolkholme Syndrome, but I actually enjoy the fact that the game put forward a challenge that requird me to think outside of the box or to power on through whatever bullshit mechanic they were using that I had to figure out to exploit through other bullshit mechanics. And once I completed the game, I actualy felt like I had accomplished something.

And perhaps the most ironic part is that I would rather go back and play that absolutely bullshit games, than I would play the modern games that have every single part of the experience refined to the point that the only reason the player fails is because they lack the brainless to perform any amount of motor functions.
>Super Mario Bros. is also clearly designed in the arcade tradition of the '80s yet it doesn't have Sonic's extreme trial-and-error mastery curve.
Yes, it does, just not to the same extent. In fact, just like Sonic, the Mario games have actually become stupidely easy as the series progressed.

>>278823
>What is a human?
Me
>What is consciousness?
A process of thought
>Can a robot be conscious?
Yes
>Can a robot have ethics?
Yes
>I guess if you've never thought about those questions it will blow your mind.
If you want to blow people's minds ask them this question: Why does sci-fi media constantly try to pigeon hole the concescept of a machine gaining intelligence and sentience, and constantly trying to hold them to the same standards of intelligence and sentience that a human has instead of letting the machine develop into it's own original species? A machine, by it's very nature as a result of being crafted by humans, is never going to be on par with humans, and forget ever excellling us. We design machines for the purposes of performing a function, and a machine failing to do that is not a machine that functions well. Now, does that discount the possibility of a person caring for the machines? Of course not. People are capable of caring for things that are not human. We take care of animals as pets, and people personify their posessions to the point that they give them names, personalities, and even treat them as being equal even if the toaster isn't capable of responding back. But there also comes the acknowledgement that they are not human. And that seems like the part where a lot of pesudo-intelectuals start to fry their brains, because they cannot (Or refuse to) understand why it is that a person can care for something despite knowing that it is not "like them".

>>278854
>Spoiler
Because the realistic option is to go rogue and kill everyone unless the writer decides to be funny and send them off to the moon or mars. Besides that humans are the under the assumption that nothing is better than them no matter what and all life that we cannot understand simply isn't equal because of arrogance and ignorance.

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>>278855
>Because the realistic option is to go rogue and kill everyone
Why?
> Besides that humans are the under the assumption that nothing is better than them
Only Gnostics believe that, since their entire religion is based around becoming "enlightened" to how reality is "suppose" to work, even to the point of changing reality on a whim. Everyone else, who doesn't have a God complex, understands on some level that "there is always a bigger fish".

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>>278856
Yes, I believe that I can become enlightened to how reality is supposed to work, and I do have a God complex. How could you tell?

>>278854
>A machine, by it's very nature as a result of being crafted by humans, is never going to be on par with humans, and forget ever excellling us.
How are you so sure of this?
>What is consciousness?
>A process of though
You didn't answer the question. You dodged it. My answer is that consciousness is an emergent property of matter being arranged in the way it is in a brain with the specific interactions and energy transfers. I'm talking about scientific energy here, not mystical 'energy'.
>Why does sci-fi media constantly try to pigeon hole the concescept of a machine gaining intelligence and sentience, and constantly trying to hold them to the same standards of intelligence and sentience that a human has instead of letting the machine develop into it's own original species?
Good question. I have few answers:
1. Sci fi media cannot give an in-depth treatise of a philosophical subject. It will become super boring if it does. It is also not a person. You can't have a conversation with sci fi media and bounce ideas back and forth.
2. Us humans tend to over emphasize our own importance. We project our own experience, terminology and thoughts onto everything. So most discussions about consciousness centralize our own experience.
3. If a machine/organism/etc does develop its own emergent equivalent of consciousness, how would we even tell? We can't 'plug in' to that thing's experience.
All in all the philosophy explored in the game is very shallow. But I guess most people never think about these things and are intellectually awed by those questions.

>>278856
>Why?
A machine that can think for it self and isn't  illogically held back by things such as emotions will eventually come to the result humans are evil and use ignorance and illogical feelings as a excuse for underhanded means.
>Assuming the programmer didn't write  a rule where they cannot become racist against humans
The idea that there can be a world where everyone gets along is naive. And such  is when we treat animals worse than prisoners. 
To think that humans would ever give machines a soul is complete nonsense and why it's only a fictional thing and why AI is nothing but a chat bot with google links. 

Astro boy is ironically the best example of how robots could think for themselves would be basically slaves who are incapable of betraying humans unless hacked and in the end are treated no differently than a dog.

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>>278859
>How are you so sure of this?
Because man makes errors.
>You didn't answer the question.
Yes, I did. You just didn't like the answer.
>My answer is that consciousness is an emergent property of matter being arranged in the way it is in a brain with the specific interactions and energy transfers.
How does that work with plants? They don't have a brain, yet have a form of consciousness to seek out sources of water.
>Sci fi media cannot give an in-depth treatise of a philosophical subject.
You can use it to explore a concept. Whether it does so well or not is another matter.
>You can't have a conversation with sci fi media and bounce ideas back and forth.
I thought that was the entire point of sci-fi though. To bounce ideas back and forth about different possibilities.
>Us humans tend to over emphasize our own importance.
Yes, and no. We are insignificant in the grand scheme of the entire universe, but we do have an noticeable impact and effect on the "local" area. Heck, if you ever want to see how important you are to other people in your daily life, just drive five miles below the speed limit or wait five seconds after a light turns green.
>We project our own experience, terminology and thoughts onto everything.
Yes, as a reference and guide on how to act. And when we experience something "new", we then add those experiences to our catalog.
<Also, there is such a thing as a shared experience. Where while we may focus on or emphasize different aspects, we're all watching the same video that I just attached to this post.
>If a machine/organism/etc does develop its own emergent equivalent of consciousness, how would we even tell?
The way it acts. Non-random repeated occurances is a pretty good start.
>But I guess most people never think about these things and are intellectually awed by those questions.
Majority of just people don't have the time. A conclusion I've come to is that philosphy, when it diverged into a seperate field from science, is a useless topic almost entirely occupied by self-importnat lazy people who don't contribute anything to life but want to be paid for simply being "so smart". Notice how the wealthiest people in the world are not "agaonizing" about so-called "meanings of life", primarily because they're too busy actually living it.

>>278860
>A machine that can think for it self and isn't  illogically held back by things such as emotions will eventually come to the result humans are evil
Why? What are the steps that would cause it to reach such a conclusion?
>and use ignorance and illogical feelings as a excuse for underhanded means
Animals do the same exact thing. The rather infamous case of the Dolphin House had it where a smart-intelligent animal abused it's human companion because it didn't know how to relieve itself of it's sexual frustations (Until she finally figured it out and gave the dolphin handjobs). Yes, this is a thing that actually happened. The American governments unironically has an entire cabinet filled with dolphoin bestiality.
>The idea that there can be a world where everyone gets along is naive.
Why? Unless your metric is "100% co-existence", it's entirely possibly for everyone to get along to a point of allowing things to live-and-let-live because everyone is far more focussed on living their own life than to care about everyone else's (Unless your a self-important prick who wants to rule over everyone).
>And such  is when we treat animals worse than prisoners. 
You ever hear about Unit 731? Or how Nazi Germany was the first country to establish animal protection laws despite how they treated the Kikes (Even assuming that everything about the Holohoax is fictitious)?
>To think that humans would ever give machines a soul is complete nonsense
I never said that. But if you really want to go down that path and that discussion, what do you know of a soul, and everything surrounding it? Even then, why are you equating the soul of a person with the soul of something else? A machine could very weel have it's own unique form of a soul, that is completely disconnected from how we humans experience what it's like to have a "soul".
>and why AI is nothing but a chat bot with google links. 
Actually that's because the retards programming the chatbots are making devices that will reflect their world views and gives the answers they want. The funny thing is that it's not working given how often they have to keep returning to the drawing board the moment the AI gives a ((( non-kosher ))) response, or it overcorrects and gives the exact response they wanted to the horror of the public (Like that time Goolag's AI kept adding niggers to images).
>Astro boy is ironically the best example of how robots could think for themselves would be basically slaves who are incapable of betraying humans unless hacked and in the end are treated no differently than a dog.
A dog can still bite back. My cats bit me all the time whenever I pet them the wrong way.

>>278872
>Because man makes errors.
Are you suggesting that an all powerful diety that makes no mistakes created humans which cannot surpass it, so what chance do us error-prone humans have?
>How does that work with plants? They don't have a brain, yet have a form of consciousness to seek out sources of water.
My example explained human consciousness. A plant's arrangement of matter and interactions makes it seek out light and water, which is its version of consciousness. Just an emergent property.
>Yes, I did. You just didn't like the answer.
What are thought processes then?
>I thought that was the entire point of sci-fi though. To bounce ideas back and forth about different possibilities.
Sci fi media can't talk back like we are...
>Yes, and no. We are insignificant in the grand ... light turns green.
No, just yes. The second part of your argument is irrelevant.
>Yes, as a reference and guide on how to act. And when we experience something ... Also, there is such a thing as a shared experience
Again, how is this relevant? Also, are you saying that this 'consciousness' is a separate metaphysical entity that we take part in to have a shared experience? This is just mysticism. You can believe it if you want. My answer is a strictly materialist one.
>The way it acts. Non-random repeated occurances is a pretty good start.
Then the earth has consciousness. Rivers have consciousness. This is bad logic.
>Majority of just people don't have the time.
Agreed
>A conclusion I've come to is that philosphy, when it diverged ... they're too busy actually living it.
This is just demonstrably false. A few academics have do-nothing jobs. Wealthy people have conversations and thoughts about meaning all the time. In fact they are probably the few who can, because they have the time. Most are too busy making ends meet.
Seems to me you just want to argue and not actually give a substantive answer. Hence the terse low quality replies.

>>278872
>Why?
Just take a look at history it does not matter what parts they rewrote look at the amount being killed then look at the state we exist in.
>Just vote for the other guy who will simply change nothing because hes also an advocate for mister rich money who will give him money
>Unless you are top of income earners you are struggling to live
If we look into this any deeper than at a glance  intelligence comes with evil and those who are not much smarter than an animal are simply just innocent until given insight.
>Actually that's because the retards programming the chatbots are making devices that will reflect their world views and give the answers they want
How is that any different than raising a child and telling it what it beliefs should be besides a child can rebel? you can simply just suggest by code what their morals should be.
>Dolphin handjob
lmao

>A dog can still bite back.
And the master can shoot it  or worse simply torture it because it simply does not do what it's being told to which can include degrading itself.
It's simply a matter of until the master finally loses use for the dog and goes behind the shed.

>>278873
Which deity has made no mistakes?

>"anon philosophy"
>look inside
>internalized intense self hatred

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>>278873
>Are you suggesting that an all powerful diety that makes no mistakes created humans which cannot surpass it
That's assuming that we were designed to "surpass" him, or any other number of things. Such as asking if surpassing someone is "really" the end goal, or what you become in the process of it that's more important.
>My example explained human consciousness. A plant's arrangement of matter and interactions makes it seek out light and water, which is its version of consciousness.
So, again, a consciousness is a process of thought.
>What are thought processes then?
At the most basic level, a series of "[If]...[Then]" statements applied to different environments.
>Sci fi media can't talk back like we are...
It can in the development of the story.
>The second part of your argument is irrelevant.
How would you know? The person your holding up in traffic could be Joe Shmo or the president of a country.
>Again, how is this relevant?
Because it seems like your argument begins to go down the path of question if there is such a thing as a unversal truth and unified reality.
>are you saying that this 'consciousness' is a separate metaphysical entity that we take part in to have a shared experience?
No
>My answer is a strictly materialist one.
Is it really? Marxism is a strictly and extremely materialist religion, yet it even believes that reality is subjective.
>Then the earth has consciousness. Rivers have consciousness.
Those are repeated occurances that do not allow for any random event occur. I probably didn't explain myself well on that one.
>A few academics have do-nothing jobs.
I disagree. Majority of academia are self-important pricks who think they're God's gift to the world.
>Wealthy people have conversations and thoughts about meaning all the time. In fact they are probably the few who can, because they have the time.
And what do they do with those conversations? Do they go out and write books, like academics and philosphers do, or do they actually do something?
>Seems to me you just want to argue
Arguments can be fun.

>>278874
>Just take a look at history it does not matter what parts they rewrote look at the amount being killed then look at the state we exist in.
Living during the most prosperous time in history, with access to almost unlimited resources at the push of a button, during the list rates of mortality, and when anyone can almost literally be anything?
>intelligence comes with evil
Actually the reverse. Evil more often than not comes from the ridicule of intelligence.
>those who are not much smarter than an animal are simply just innocent until given insight
No, they're not.
>How is that any different than raising a child and telling it what it beliefs should be besides a child can rebel?
Because you can control ever aspect of how the chatbot functions and what machiens it operates on and under what conditions. Meanwhile you cannot control if it rains the very next day, and causes the kid to get sick from the drop in tempurature.
>And the master can shoot it  or worse simply torture it because it simply does not do what it's being told to which can include degrading itself.
And people do the same thing to humans all the time. Stalin and Mao wiped out millions of people who refused to follow them.

>>278876
How did you know?

>>278879
Pattern recognition.

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>>278877

>Arguments can be fun.

Emphasis on 'can'.

When I asked you to describe and define consciousness you called it a thought process. Then you said that I didn't like your answers. You explained one unknown with another. Many non-living things follow a series of if...then logical behaviors. Does a car have thought processes and, as a consequence consciousness? Does a rock? We structure our perception of these things in a logical manner. Doesn't mean they have or don't have some innate logical thought process.

My answer is that consciousness isn't some special thing we are tapping into. It is a mere incidental effect of certain arrangements of matter and subsequent interactions.

Those 2 sentences were irrelevant because you were conflating societal significance with significance of perception.

Marxist materiailsm corresponds to the economic and hierarchical conditions of society. I was referring to scientific materialism.

You didn't explain yourself at all; even now you didn't. You want repeated observable patterns... but with limited randomness... which means everything is conscious?

Somehow you think rich people actually do things and aren't self-important blowhards themselves. It is true that some academics overvalue themselves. Such people exist in every field, especially the field of doing nothing and hoarding cash.

Somehow you also think that doing things without thinking, planning, understanding, etc. is worthy of praise and leads to success.

You need to really think through all your ideas.

>>278881
Describe these patterns

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One really parroted statement about video games I hate that's perpetuated by Zoomers and even some retarded millennials has to do with arcades.
>"Oh arcades were just quarter munchers, they were designed to rob quarters from kids because they were impossible to beat"
Fuck off, dipshit. 
Arcade gamedevs and pinball devs fought a legal battle for YEARS in the American courts to distinguish themselves from gambling as games of skill instead of chance. If they were games of chance they would legally be defined as gambling. Yes, they were hard, but arcades put a LOT OF THOUGHt into their difficulty curves. They took the question of how to design their games very seriously and only a rare few games were actually unfair. Also, arcade owners were able to adjust the difficulty of games they owned via dipswitches.
Arcades were the ones driving gameplay innovation for years. For a time, all the most cutting edge games were at the arcade - when Daytona USA dropped there was nothing like it on consoles, and it took years for us to begin getting arcade perfect ports on home systems like the Dreamcast.

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>>279168
My pet peeve is related to this: indie hacks who think because they played Yoshi's Island (which hands 1ups to you by the truckloads) that they know everything there is to know about lives systems.  And thus, since Mario games made the unfortunate mistake of dropping a meaningful risk-reward mechanic, it must mean that all lives systems are a confused, antiquated relic from those mean old arcade quarter munching machines.  This was a popular sentiment among the untalented clowns that made frustration platformers for a  time.

Funny enough, your image has one of those rare actual quarter munchers: the arcade Gauntlet games where you health is always dropping and you have to shove quarters in to replenish it.  The console versions were much better after dropping that dickhead mechanic.  I actually wouldn't mind it if they were fairly made, but there just isn't enough food around the levels for a proper single-credit clear.

>>278854
Manga sauce?

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>>279284
I knew those bug eyes reminded me of something. Desert Rose, the one-off anime was pretty good, but reading the manga I kept getting this feeling like the author got off on harming very thin bug-eyed women.

>>279312
>second pic
>can't unsee the sexy bugs drawing almost like they overlap

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>>279314
what?

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>>279320
It's best if you don't know.

>>279168
>Yes, they were hard, but arcades put a LOT OF THOUGHt into their difficulty curves
you're generalizing too much. quarter munchers have always existed. sf2t is among the most infamous and egregious cases. it's the arcade equivalent of nes/snes games being made hard on purpose to combat rentals
>arcade owners were able to adjust the difficulty
and nobody liked that. you either give the player the choice (plenty of games require normal or higher to view the ending) or do nothing at all.
>and it took years for us to begin getting arcade perfect ports on home systems like the Dreamcast.
coincidentally, that was the final nail in arcades' coffin. curious, isn't it?

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>>279168
Except arcade games were quarter munchers by design
Why do you think most arcade games were so hard if not outright broken (Art Of Fighting 2)
Because devs wanted players to "git gud"?
Lmao
Or because the companies behind those arcade cabinets wanted to make as much money as possible?
If you though the real reason was the former you must be extremely naive.
Sure, there were also some fair games, but for every fair game you also had 100 games that were unfair or straight up cheating with shit like MK's input reading bullshit.
Another cheating example, think about how SF2 Guile's somersault kick was supposed to be performed by charging it, but the CPU would pull that off as soon as you jumped towards him without even crouching first.

>>279168
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>>279396
>>279469
I feel like you guys are leaving out the fact that arcades made their money FROM players constantly inserting money into the machines. However once players started "getting good" at the games, it progressed to the point thaT arcades began to lose money as someone could insert a quarter and spend the next 15 to however many minutes on a single game.

Although some titles have since "fixed" that by maxing out the play time through a timer or limits on however many sessions/levels a player could play on a single charge and/or different difficulty levels.

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>>279469
I've never had a lot of respect for the fighting game genre, but people mostly put quarters into fighting games to play against other people.  The singleplayer ladder is usually just there to attract players until someone else shows up.  That's the reason many have an "interrupt" feature where a human player can challenge you in the middle of a singleplayer game.

What you tards don't seem to otherwise comprehend is that people only continue to put money in arcade machines if they seem fair.  If a game is too cheap and asinine people aren't interested in giving it a lot of quarters.  They move on to another machine and the arcade operator quickly switches that machine out for something else.  That's why arcade games feature such fine-tuned design: they have to be challenging enough to keep a newbie from spending hours on a single quarter, but also fair and compelling enough that people actually think it's reasonable to give them their money.

>>279469
So you are saying that it was OK to the arcade coin trick to save quarters?

>>279469
I think a big part of it was early on arcade games were visually superior to console games and in the early 80s would often have more depth than something like Asteroids on the Atari 2600.

You could also have way more sprites on screen in an arcade game. Early 3D and vector games were on arcade first, plus there were many exclusive arcade games that never were ported to consoles.

The Street Fighter 2 came along and changed the scene in the west entirely, people lining up to play Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat against each other. Then they got console ports and people realized that the complexity of console games outweighed the graphical superiority of arcade games.

These days in Japan, a lot of what they release are rhythm games, or multiplayer arcade games, often with items you can buy in real life that power you up in the game, usually with the ability to save your progress on a card. It became more about level up grinding. It's like playing games on a PC, except since you're both in person, if you win, you get to fuck the loser.

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>>279476
>What you tards don't seem to otherwise comprehend is that people only continue to put money in arcade machines if they seem fair.  If a game is too cheap and asinine people aren't interested in giving it a lot of quarters.  They move on to another machine and the arcade operator quickly switches that machine out for something else.
Nigger, it's not "us" not getting it, it was the arcade game companies that thought that players were that masochist to keep buying and inserting coins if their machine was insanely hard.
I mean, what are you saying is true, but some companies' suits back then were just as retarded as they are today, because they thought that shit was actually going to work.
The suits back then just like those of today are the kind of retards that would go:
<"why selling a single bag of chips for 1 dollar when we could sell each one for 100 dollars and make much more money!"
And even delusionally think that they are smart.

I saw a point made last year that the type of people who made video reviews and generally pushed their opinions in the early days of the internet (the prime AVGN era and all his imitators, essentially) had a pretty big sway on how people collectively perceive those games. Banjo-Kazooie is beloved by reviewers, so there are countless videos made about how great it is and how fun the core mechanics are, etc.

But a game like Kroc is totally ignored, even though it sold around as many units or more than BK and was probably seen be as many children during the age of the N64.

Lucky for me, I played all those "oh no it's too hard" NES games before the web existed. They actually weren't too hard, and nothing compared to the bullshit of  most 8-bit computer games in the 80's.
> make one bad move in Jet Set Willy
> you're stuck in a very bad spot now and will lose all your lives in this spot
> you're unable to move and instead have to watch helplessly as a foot stomps down from the top of the screen onto your men one after another

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>>279168
>Arcade gamedevs and pinball devs fought a legal battle for YEARS in the American courts to distinguish themselves from gambling as games of skill instead of chance. If they were games of chance they would legally be defined as gambling. Yes, they were hard, but arcades put a LOT OF THOUGHt into their difficulty curves. They took the question of how to design their games very seriously and only a rare few games were actually unfair. Also, arcade owners were able to adjust the difficulty of games they owned via dipswitches.
Because they didn't want to be subject to the same regulations as slot machines, as that would totally fuck their business model (no kids lmao).

And then game developers like EA had to do fucking pic related with MTX. Which is why the EU got aggressive about regulating videogame MTX.

>>279513
I actually liked Kroc, it was difficult but it wasn't the worst. But Kroc 2 was pretty bad. That annoying OO AA EE OO EE shit whenever characters talk was not a good choice, I don't remember liking the levels, and I'm pretty sure I remember some racing shit or some other level that gave me a headache

>>279527
>Which is why the EU got aggressive about regulating videogame MTX.

You almost say that like it's a bad thing.

>>279535
Oh, no, it's very much a good thing to fuck over predatory bullshit MTX practices. I just wish it wasn't necessary to apply a fucking regulatory arm to it. It was blatantly fucking obvious that putting in fucking gacha slot machines was crossing the line into child gambling and going to encourage regulators to regulate this like gambling, but these guys really gave zero fucks with how blatantly fucked up they were being. At least on the bright side of things it was so non-subtly cancer that it made the case for why videogames MTX are a problem that should be regulated as gambling very straightforward and obvious.

Microtransactions prey on mentally disabled kids who don't understand what is happening. It's pretty disgusting.

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>>279538
>MTX
I was feeling really confused and out-of-touch for not knowing what the hell you were talking about, so I looked it up.  So they literally invented an abbreviation to obscure the word "microtransactions", rofl.  The word was so repugnant that they had to come up with a new word for it, lmao.  Did EA do this after receiving the Golden Poo too many times?

Please just call them microtransactions, anon.

>>279540
Looks like it worked because I didn't know what the word meant either as I stopped playing modern games altogether around mid 2010s

>>279540
>>279547
Man, that abbreviation has been around for a long time. Also it's really cumbersome to write the whole word everytime. Get with the times.

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>>279540
>So they literally invented an abbreviation to obscure the word "microtransactions", rofl.  
>The word was so repugnant that they had to come up with a new word for it, lmao.
Yeah, they probably thought that by calling it "MTX" microtransactions wouldn't sound as bad.
Probably thought "MTX" would ease the stigma "microtransactions are facing.
>Please just call them microtransactions, anon.
This.

>>279556
>Get with the times.
NO
How about you just stop being a "just go with the flow dude lmao" passive retard and start actively using your own brain instead?
Assuming you do have one

>>279540
>>279560
Actual retards.

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>>279563
Nice contribution, faggot.
You now just showed everyone here how smarter than everybody else you are.

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>>279556
>Get with the times.
"Get with the times" aka "stop thinking and questioning things, just turn off your brain and be a sheep".

>>279540
>>279560
I usually explain what acronyms like these stand for, but in this case I figured if you'd looked at the SLOT gif's filename it would've been clear enough that MTX refers to microtransations. I suppose I should've been clearer.

As for MTX, it's just some shorthand for microtransations. It's not really obscuring the word when everyone familiar with "MTX" knows it means microtransactions. Usually for a PR spin you try to invent a different term altogether instead of an abbreviation that instantly makes everyone think of the word you're avoiding. The reason we type shit like MTX or DLC is because it's shorter. That's all.

>>279540
I thought it was a trendy way to say machine translation.

>>279573
No. that's MTL.

>>279567
>>279560
You're not super smart, unique individuals because you give someone a hard time for using common vernacular that saves time. Relax, nerds. Imagine whining at someone for saying "DLC" instead of downloadable content because you believe it somehow lessens the negative connotations of the phrase.

>>279570
I should have read your post before saying the same thing. Sorry, pal.

>Reported for calling retards retards
Now that's asspain lmao

>>279583
<i am not mad, you are!!!
Maybe you just got reported for being a retard yourself.
Stop projecting.

>u mad
>no u
>projecting
Someone's desperate for a (you), I see.

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>>279612
Well, since you asked, here (You) go

>MTX
How do you pronounce this, though? Em-tea-ex? Emphasis on which syllable?

>>249617 (OP) 
I thought Spec Ops was a unique game and a fun experience, it was very silly how it wss shitting on you for play it and how people still deny that it's shitting on you.

>>279614
Empty ex

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>>249617 (OP) 
If you're young and browsing YouTube or Reddit you'll genuinely think Game Cube was a bigger deal than the PS2. I personally like the Game Cube exclusives more, the controller is comfortable and the whole aesthetic of the console is sublime, but there's quite a lot of historical revisionism around it, it was by all means a failure for Nintendo and most people preferred the PS2 for good reason.

>>287826
>Controller is comfortable
Not really it's a bit cramped and the layout makes no fucking  sense outside of games it was made in mind with.
Otherwise I hate it as someone who grew up with it all the good games were too mature or required me to actually think and solve puzzles unless it was a arcade game.

>>287826
Well, that's a whole other can of worms: that search engines suck now and just about the only forum they'll show is reddit where people are hiveminding dumbasses.

Google has really gone down the shitter in recent years. It's a serious fucking problem.

>>287853
I disagree, but then I haven't held the controller in years.
Back when I did have one it was so comfortable. 
>>290475
What forum isn't a hivemind?
Its just that reddit is the worst of them and the most centralized.

>>290476
The ones without "Likes" and shit are usually much better on this front.

>>290476
That's what I thought, Until I held it again my hands aren't that much bigger than they used to be and still Nunchuk Wii remote has aged way better than it had any right to do so.

>>287826
>>287853
No idea why Nintendo made such shit controllers for the N64 and GameCube after nailing it with the SNES one.
*Although the GameCube's looked cool at least**
The DualShock was the natural evolution of the SNES one, Sony was smart to just base the PlayStation's on that and then improve it.

>>290480
>I botched the spoiler
Well, fuck.

>>290480
it's because of strong sense of honor and dishonor system in oriental japan. after their deal with sony went south, nintendo swore to never make controller that looked sony's because it was big shame

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>>249617 (OP) 
Superman 64 and Bubsy 3D are probably the biggest instances of e-celeb zoomer revisionism, those games were considered groundbreaking at the time.
When OoT came out it was considered a mere Bubsy 3D clone, but nintoddlers rewrote history as usual.

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>>291446
I think the average lurker is way too old to fall for that bullshit.

>>249617 (OP) 
>Whatever the youtuber says the normalfag repeats.
Road to success: pay them to shill your game. Then profit.

>>290475
>Google has really gone down the shitter in recent years. It's a serious fucking problem.
Most bizarre is new engines that for some of them stand behind paywalls.
DDG isn't too bad though, but it doesn't apply the exclusion paramater as well as Google does. For example -reddit did wonders not so long ago, but DDG wouldn't understand that. And it sucks to filter AI pictures.
There is the issue that a lot of content has been centralized too.
You can try meta-engines that look at different engines to provide a collection of best results.

>>249648
>> Oh and i almost forgot to mention No Man's Sky. Remember that shitty game? 
>The shit game that only became slightly less shit over the years?
I'm led to believe that it was just a scam. Is it still worked on after all this time and injected cash?

>>291451
Its an obvious joke.

>>291459
Numale Soy still gets content updates to the point it barely resembles its original release, Redditors love it but I have no idea how much "better" it is on account of not having played it.

Scam Yidizen also still gets "updates" at close to 1 birrion dorra in cooperative ad-hoc retail retirement fund money, it truly will be the besterestest space game ever maded and saev PC gaymin from da ebul publishers now please buy another Idris for need monies to pay off South African investor loans.

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>>291446
>That review in the corner
What the fuck were they smoking at EGM?

I remember playing both Superman 64 and Bubsy 3D.
My kid self was still amazed by the novelty of polygonal graphics, and so i gave both titles a fair chance, and i tried, i really tried to play them, something my current self wouldn't even bother doing.
But yes, they were as bad as they say.
I never managed to get past Superman 64's flying tutorial with the ring, and Bubsy3D's controls were just as frustrating.
As a kid i had much more time and patience than i do now, and still, at some point i gave up due how frustratingly bad those two games were.

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What do you make of the recent notion that Dark Souls 2 was an unfairly maligned gem that made great advancements in the Souls formula but was unappreciated by the DaS1 giantdad crowd, thus causing the entire series to suffer for it?

I skimmed this video for the few sections that I felt strongly about regarding DaS2's problems (Agility, unfair traps, magnetic enemies, the generally shitty game feel). Some of his points are valid, in that not all enemies actually don't track enough to hit you if you're walking in a circle around them, and even if they did you could do things other than stand at point blank range. However, for some other sections he resorts to incredibly dubious lore explanations as though they offer any kind of substance.

>why is it that I can light a windmill axle on fire even though it's clearly made of metal?
<well, in the dark souls lore (which das2 shares btw) stone is the element from which other elements are derived, and if you look around at the giants (which were made of titanite btw, which is a metal that comes from stone) you can see they were turned to trees, and the giant dragon made of stone is also turned into a tree, so that metal axle is actually in the process of turning into wood.

He was insightful enough to make the Oblivion Remastered comparison video earlier this year where he made explicit references to propaganda and the way art is used to manipulate people, so he clearly has some kind of insight into the larger situation, but there's too much reaching for my tastes.

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>recent notion
I don't pay attention to fandom bullshit, but even I (deaf as I am) know most of DS2's kneejerk reaction cleared up very quickly among tourists and diehards (basically only leddit and essayfags hated it, midwits as they always are), as far as I'm aware it was received well in Japan + International markets, and it's always stood the test of time as the most favorably looked upon title for the PvPfags.
Either this is some very late normalfaggot opinion shift that I never knew they were so held out over, or it's another case of "underageb& who wasn't born at the time + never understood the zeitgeist rambles for 3 hours how something is actually pretty darn swell with zero context, all patches, investment in the franchise's later titles and a desire to make a quick buck with some clickbait that was already 5 years stale".
Sure, I guess the lighting in the earlier version did look better if you ignore that it ran like shit even at 30fps even on expensive hardware at the time that you never played with nor paid for, and I guess making builds is more detailed if you don't have to deal with Soul Memory bullshit bricking your characters without cheat engine that plagued the game and made invasions almost unusable for an entire year, and yeah, I guess the game does kinda hold up in a vacuum if you ignore that Bloodborne basically released alongside it and taunted every other platform with the decade of PS4 exclusivity that it was locked to until recently.

Kills me inside that there was a german dude who did pretty good takedowns of HBomberguy + Mauler's + others open lies about DS2, but the guy who did them just had to go and fucking troon out to ad hominem invalidate any chance of using it in dignified discussion.

>tl;dr
Stop caring what normalniggers think, form your own fucking opinions (even if everyone disagrees with you, fuck em) and you will enjoy life more. As for 5 hour "retrospectives" / NPC programming, brevity is the soul of wit, and you've got better shit to occupy your time with than that. Like actually playing the damn game yourself.

>>291752
Contrarianism, Dark Souls 2 just felt a lot less fun and satisfying to play in many ways, full stop.
Still was a decently fun game, but Dark Souls 1 was just on another level.

>>278854
>games being cheap actually are a lot of fun. This may be an example of Stolkholme Syndrome, but 
You answered it yourself.
>>279156
They 'can' be fun, but are mostly cancer without a good cause.
Something something rely on the se chemicals to tell you they are meaningless etc.

>>291752
>in that not all enemies actually don't track enough
*not all enemies actually have aggressive tracking, and those that do don't necessarily have enough tracking to hit you if you're moving
Bungled that sentence.

>>291763
Nigga, I didn't ask for his opinion, I asked for yours. DaS2 was trashed at launch, and I think it deserved a lot of that for changing the DaS1 formula for the worse in a lot of ways (and having 6-FPS bugs related to weapon durability and fall damage that were presented as mechanics even though they clearly weren't). The graphical downgrade to accommodate consoles also sucked, but in the fullness of time that doesn't have the same staying power as the mechanics and level design. Those are the things that pissed me off when I played the game myself, which is what I base my opinions on.

Being accepted among PvP enthusiasts is, to me, a damning indictment. I could be biased because I knew a couple of them IRL years ago, but the kinds of people who "really, really like PvP dude" in games like these are missing most of the point. Didn't help that the guys I knew had awful personalities.

>>291807
I think something about the equip load system being a percentage rather than thresholds as it was in DaS1 means that every attack animation needs to be capable of speeding up or slowing down without looking weird. I recall being annoyed at the disconnect between my character moving with a spring in his step and every single attack animation looking like a geriatric was reaching for a pill bottle. It's just annoying watching your character struggle to swing a dagger even when he's using both of his hands.

>>249617 (OP) 
Normalfags don't know what Spec Ops: The Line even is, you fucking retard. This has to be a false flag. Completely worthless.

>>291612
>What the fuck were they smoking at EGM?
Journos not playing vidya was a problem even in the 90s, albeit to a much lesser degree compared to now. Bogus reviews and scores are nothing out of the ordinary.

>>291932
The difference was that back then Journos were both somewhat aware of their absolute value (or lack thereof) to society in addition to having enough self-awareness and soul to occasionally shitpost to varying degrees and effects, whereas the Gamergate-era Seriose Games Journaliste thought xe was the next Lenin Luther Kang on a holy mission to defeat evil white male Gamers and their benefactors.

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>>290480
>The DualShock was the natural evolution of the SNES one, Sony was smart to just base the PlayStation's on that and then improve it.
The Dualshock didn't exist until three years AFTER the PS1 came out, and a year after the release of BOTH the N64 and the Saturn's 3D Control Pad
The original PS1 controller was just the SNES controller with two extra shoulder buttons. And given the way games were evolving at the time, it made sense to NOT prioritize having an analog control stick as part of the controller because the majority of games coming out were still using the D-Pad, included full-3D games such as Sony's own 3D platformer Jumping Flash and the action-adventure spy thriller Syphon Filter. So Nintendo compromised with their "three handled" controller as it allowed for both the "traditional" and "dominant" method of "D-pad gaming" AND the newer direction and evolution of 3D games. All you had to do was just changed which handle your gripped.

In fact, dual-analog gaming was such a wild concept that Sony had to release Ape Escape just to show that the idea "worked". And even then, people still ridiculed the gameplay style, as is indicated in the infamous GameSpot review for Alien Resurrection. AND EVEN THEN, majority of games didn't begin adopting the dual-analog control scheme until the success of Halo a few years later, as you can see shooters still using tank controls like with Metroid Prime and Robotech Battlecry or relegating camera controls to the shoulder triggers like in Dead To Rights.

Yeah, the idea of Nintendo's "three handed" controller for the N64 seems "silly" now, but you have zero idea about the context of these ideas and why they were occurring when they did.

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>>291446
Sega liked Superman 64 so much that they ripped it off and replaced Superman by some tranny clown and were confident enough to release it as their flagship Saturn game instead of a Sonic game.

>>299881
Superman 64 released 3 whole years after Nights did. Can't defend Sonic Team's poor choices here, but still.

I like Nights Into Dreams. You go fast and smooth, fly around and do free form acrobatics. Plus the fact there's an entire 3D level to explore if you want to. Fun game, nice music.

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Something about this video viscerally offends me and I can't quite put my finger on it. It may just be that the video is an absolute uncritical celebration of mediocraty, but videos about finding things you like in even overrated games are usually entertaining to me. I think the problem is that he praises things in Skyrim that many point to as reasons for why the game is terrible. Below are a selection of choice quotes.

>Skyrim let's you do what you want, when you want to, no matter how much time you already played
How many open world rpgs came out before Skyrim released? How many open world rpgs came out after Skyrim was released?  I thought the title of this video was "It Doesn't get Better than Skyrim"? 

>Sometimes having your imagination be the limit can be, well, limiting
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>I've probably spent more time in the Skyrim Character creator that half the games in my Xbox library. There are endless options and each one gives you a unique feeling starting the game.
Yeah one perk and a couple of dialog lines changed. Such a unique feeling. 
>[For example] this brute of an Orc plays differenlty than my dark elf build.
You don't even build a character or allocate skill points before you start the game. This is just an outright fabrication.

>To me, Skyrim exists long before I open up the game, and contiues to exist long after I close it.
Every single event from the ongoing war, to the main quest, to the thousands of side quests that have a time sensitive dialog such as "Get this to xyz, post haste", is at a standstill until the player decides to do something. Nothing happens in Skyrim unless the player is directly involved, and ignoring the world until you get to it is never punished. This isn't a bad thing but I would hardly call a game that does this a living breathing world.

>>300017
The guy is high on his own farts, he thinks the fiction dreamed up in his head was entirely created by the game in front of him.

Redditors and youtubers are losing their mind over steam machine price leak being actually priced like a prebuilt pc instead of a ghettostation 5 pro.

>>300017
The RPG genre is so dead in the west, people think that shit like skyrim is the pinnacle of the genre.... For me, even if I like morrowind to some degree, all the TES games are a broken mess and you break those games in like less than 20 minutes of gameplay, which are more like, games about making exploits than actual games where you play a role in a fanatsy world. Skyrim is only good for the loli mods, and I can't even install those, because installing mods in pirated copies manually is a fucking pain, because modders are a bunch of buyfags.

>>300044
Dumb attempt to shame opinions by association.
Lower prices are usually better for consumers, and console companies often sell their hardware at a loss (when they aren't being jewish).
Plus. PC parts are comically expensive right now, people are right to be pissed off.

>>300053
They were literally told in advance to expect that pricing and they still got mad over it not being priced like a console despite that was never going to happen because it's a linux computer not made for people who cannot figure out terminal commands.

I haven't paid any attention at all to any steam machine, what makes them different/better than any other machine with linux on it? I guess you can scratch off hardware compatibility issues.

>>300044
Of course they are, the shit machine also has SHIT hardware inside for the price.