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If you had to rank the following
>Hayek
>Mises
>Friedman
>Hoppe
>Rothbard
>Bastiat
>any unmentioned
Where would you place them?
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>>387 (OP) 
Rankings are for commies but I'll give some opinions if you want

>Hayek
I wasn't very impressed with Road to Serfdom but his economic papers are supposed to be good.

>Mises
His early work can be hard to follow because he was learning english at the same time as writing it.

>Friedman
I only read one of his books and it ended on a chapter about universal basic income so he's a socialist cuck.

>Hoppe
Is good. Especially Democracy the God that Failed is a good book even for non-libertarians because it explains how many of the shitty things we all hate about the 21st century are the result of democracy and giving everyone an equal vote even on things that don't concern them.

Hoppe has other good books as well like What Must Be Done which is a blueprint for how we can get from where we are now to a stable (local) anarchist society.

>Rothbard
Is also good. Read The Ethics of Liberty if you want to go full autism into the details of how human relationships exist without the state.

>Bastiat
Never read but heard he's good.

>any unmentioned
For a modern introduction to austrian economics with no political baggage I always recommend Choice: Cooperation, Enterprise, and Human Action
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=BF68912A14AE05B9C64E0C8A0415F577 (can't upload epub here)

Saifedean Ammous wrote a good book called the Fiat Standard which makes the case for how a lot of the social degeneracy we see unfolding around us is a result of fiat currency and people being unable to save money and plan for the future.
>>387 (OP) 
 I'd like to add Jesús Huerta de Soto with Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles
>>387 (OP) 
>Rank jew, jew, jew, jew and jew
I guess I put them all in the same "destined for hell for rejecting their Messiah" tier. This also means that nothing they said is of value. Thanks for listening to my ted talk.
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/pol/ likes Bobby Fischer
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>>387 (OP) 
I'll actually play along OP.  Time to piss some people off.  My ranking is entirely personal.

>S Tier
My criterion for this tier is "You got me to stop thinking about politics all the goddam time and get me to be libertarian in my actual personal life."

Stefan Molyneux/Harry Browne

Harry Browne because he has this whole philosophy that's incredibly personally helpful.  By thinking in an entirely local way, I find I can have actual chance at ekeing out freedom for myself no matter the political climate, which is a very white pilled way of thinking.  Also, pointing out, and this goes with Stef, 90% of your lack of freedom in your life is due to your personal relationships, not the State.  

Harry/Stef really helped me think carefully about where I should work and live, which paid off big time later because I didn't have to suffer through the mask covid bullshit as other places had (OR STILL HAVE) to.

Stef made me confront the alcoholics in my life, which was hard, but something I needed to do.

Hoppe/Murphy

Hoppe because "Democracy the God that Failed" really shook me out of the mythology I held for Democracy, and Murphy because he handled my "What about the Warlords" argument that held me from anarchocapitalism, as well as the fact that he introduced me to Arrow's Paradox, which really helped shake me out of the mythological status I held Democracy to.

>A Tier
My criteria for this tier is "Entry drug" or "These guys got me here."

Hayek/Mises

High consideration for S Tier, because until I met Hayek, I was a socialist.  It was his Road to Serfdom that caused me to question socialism, and it was his Nobel prize essay about measurement that together with Mises that shook the whole "But if we had a powerful enough computer, we could..." myth that I held on to for a looooooooooooong time.

On a more personal note, and this is why I consider putting Hayek S Tier, I feel like he helped me realize all the times I'm being arrogant or conceited.  That Nobel price essay was almost more of a humble pie for me.

Friedman/Ron Paul

If Hayek helped break me from socialism, Friedman's "Free to Choose" series and Ron Paul's campaign really carried me a long way to here.

Rothbard

Ethics of Liberty (combined with Hoppe's take on Ethics), I feel put me on some solid ground.

>B Tier
My criteria for this tier is "I personally know a guy who this person brought them here."

Ayn Rand

I have one uncle who is a night watchman state libertarian, thanks almost entirely to Rand's book.

Gatto

This guy railing on public education helped at least one public school teacher friend of mine become libertarian.

Kinsella

His thoughts on how terrible copyright and patents are changed a lot of my friends' minds.  Just in general, I think Kinsella is underappreciated for how influential that work was.

Satoshi Nakamoto

There are a lot of people who wouldn't be libertarians today if it weren't for the rise of Bitcoin.

Snowden

Got my mom off of Facebook.  Honestly considered putting him S Tier just for that alone.

>C Tier
My criteria for this tier is "When/If they passed, or if I think of them dying, I feel a tiny twang in my heart."

Timothy C. May

Authored the Cyphernomicon.  Huge white pill for me, and I could argue is the main reason I went through the trouble to find this forum.  Made me care about privacy.  Also, Bitcoin wouldn't exist without him, arguably.

Julian Assange

Opened my eyes to the obvious:  that the U.S. government is a monster.  Fought the good fight, and is a martyr.

David Friedman

Has made me really think about unschooling.

Hazlitt

His book "Economics in One Lesson" really taught me a lot of economics really fast.  Also, I am TERRIBLE at rhetoric, so having his dumb one little lesson helped me out in the heat of debate.  He also wrote two other books that...take them or leave them (one on willpower which wasn't too bad, and the other was a really Saturday-morning-cartoon-villain bad novel).

>F Tier
My criteria for F tier is, "They probably count as libertarians, but they've actively harmed the movement."

Tyler Cowen

His essay "Why am I not an Austrian economist" destroyed a lot of libertarianism I feel.  It's also just bad logic.  Like it's on the level that I wonder if Tyler Cowen is a paid State propaganda artist.

>D Tier
My crtieria for D tier is, "The jury is out on them yet."

Walter Block

I have a tough time with this, because there's so many good things from Block.  His book Defending the Undefendable is more of an apology for contrarianism that I think is sorely needed today and helped me to try to be contrarian myself and is the main reason I want to keep him up here.  However, he seems like a fair-weather libertarian.  He was against libel laws, until he sued for libel.  He was against war, until he supported Israel's latest war.  He commonly argues that "You should get on benefits from the government."  That sort of stuff just starts tipping the scale hard in the other direction.

>E Tier

I just got this as a template, and I can't be arsed to remove this tier.


Alright, there's more but that's all I feel like writing for now.
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>>401
>Murphy because he handled my "What about the Warlords" argument that held me from anarchocapitalism
For people interested in hearing more, Chaos Theory is a good short distillation of his arguments. Hoppe also composed a book of essays from various people called the Myth of National Defense.

>Timothy C. May Cyphernomicon
Need to check that out thanks.

>Walter Block
I don't know anything about him except Defending the Undefendable which I thought were good books.

>He was against war, until he supported Israel's latest war. 
That's sad to hear. Glenn Beck is like that as well, just throws all his principles out the window as soon as Israel comes up.

>He commonly argues that "You should get on benefits from the government."
Ayn Rand did that too. The argument is that as long as you don't take more than you gave then you're just getting your own money back anyway.
>>401
The argument for why I'm not "literally hitler" is put simply in the following terms:
1. I do not want to help myself to other people's stuff.
2. I do not show contempt for demos or for the idea of public referenda

This is something that tyrants share in commonality with each other, and I was gonna put the question to Peter Hitchens if we ever met but I may as well put it to anonymous man on an image board:

Without this distinction, how can you be sure that you are carrying yourself in the way that you're supposed to?

If you say that democracy has so much wrong with it, then what do you propose instead?
>>411
Could someone explain to me what everything in this post minus the last question is in response to?  Is there someone else/a different thread this poster is replying to that I don't have context to?  Everything except the last sentence reads like a complete non-sequitar.
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>>412
>who is he quoting / referencing?
No idea.

>>411
>If you say that democracy has so much wrong with it, then what do you propose instead?
If you want democracy you need to weigh the votes against how much stake the voters have in the property being voted on. For example look at how companies handle big decisions. Shareholds get a number of votes determined by how much they have actually invested in the company. There's no way they would let 1000 africans walk into the board room and starting voting on shit. This is not your property, your vote is meaningless, get the fuck out.

Hoppe talks about this in What Must Be Done. One way to handle the transition from statism to anarchism is to spin off all public services as private companies but then give citizens voting shares based on how much tax they have paid in their lifetime. That also solves the immigration problem because new arrivals who have paid zero tax and purchased zero shares get no voting rights.
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>>411
>If you say that democracy has so much wrong with it, then what do you propose instead?
This is a thread for tier ranking different libertarians, not tier ranking different forms of government.  Although, that would be a cool idea for a thread.
>>416
>then give citizens voting shares based on how much tax they have paid in their lifetime.
Tax cucks > agorist chads.
>>411
I'm not fascist either but even I can see democracy is rule by mob.
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