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Post all your pictures, news, videos, and questions regarding the Russia vs Greater Israel formerly known as Ukraine war here.
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>>3449 (OP) 
Alright, qrd of recent days.

>Russian high command seem to have discovered encirclement tactics, several pockets are forming or have formed in Donetsk region, Russians have found success in that direction in the last few weeks.
>Ukraine has received F-16s and have posted pictures of them in flight, no combat usage has been documented yet, rumor has it most of the F-16s are stationed in Moldova to protect them from Russian strikes. Whoever shoots down the first plane gets an apartment as a bounty.
>Ukraine has launched another attack in Kursk region again, they've gotten around kilometer in depth for now.
>Russians increasingly using Best Korean equipment and ammunition.
>Several African countries have severed relationship with Ukraine afther the former claimed they supported Taureg attack on Mali/Wagner convoy. Ukraine has since then backtracked and said they actually had nothing to do with it.
>Burning of mobilization vans at night seems to have become new Ukrainan national sport, several dozen of such cases have been recorded. 
>Mobilization will continue untill morale improves
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>>3450
>Russian high command seem to have discovered encirclement tactics
It's more like Ukrainians cannot hold the line everywhere all at once, so Russians can finally push around centres of resistance.
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>>3452
I have noticed the Russians aren't using the fields anymore but only focusing on and blitzkrieging through  the roads unlike late 
 2023 and early 2024 where the Russians tried to flank them through the fields
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>>3450
>Ukraine has since then backtracked and said they actually had nothing to do with it.
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Looks pretty bad.
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>>3452
>It's more like Ukrainians cannot hold the line everywhere all at once, so Russians can finally push around centres of resistance.
Same thing kinda goes for Russia too, they cant be everywhere neither.  Their actual borders are highly porous and are usually manned by police units and conscripts,  which is why we're seeing Ukrainian offensive within Russia right now.

Pic related is estimated Ukrainian advance within Russia. Pretty significan for two days of fighting and is projected to increase.
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UAF has found substantial success so far in Kursk region. They've attacked poorly defended and relatively thinly manned area and once again outmanuvered Russian high command.

Further UAF advance is expected as they introduce reserves into the breakthrough, some specualte Kursk NPP is one of the main objectives.

This looks like Ukrainians are attempting to take and hold as much territory within Russia proper, maybe as a bargaining chip to secure better position in case of rumored negotiations.
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you people still believe in this " war " 
jesus
>>3439
True diversity has never been tried. Russia's super specific brand of diversity, which is totally brand new, and absolutely has never been tried, will succeed this time!
>>3459

from the little i have seen and heard they are apparently getting bombed to oblivion, they did manage to shoot down a ka-52 and from whatt ive heard damaged some planes though
>>3470
i genuinely wonder how much new technology will be adopted and how much old technology will be abandoned because of drones since it seems like anything that isnt heavily armored and covered fully in ERA is easy pickings for drones...
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A dump of abandoned Ukrainian armored vehicles was located at the exit from the 38K-030 Rylsk-Korneyevo-Sudzha road in the area of ​​the village of Nizhny Klin
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What's Ukraine's master plan on the Kursk front?
Western >media outlets seem to view it as an epic counter to Putler's Kharkov diversion offensive that stalled as soon as the US granted the heroic Ukrainians use of magic missiles in Russian territory and not because it'd achieved its goal of lessening the number of Ukrops manning the line in the Donbass so now Ukraine will wholesomely liberate Russian territory, halt all Russian offensive actions in the Donbass, sneak around to tactically poke Putin's butthole and achieve a just peace through force.
However given the fact Russia has plenty of fresh reserves and materiel to draw from to mitigate fuckups like this without seriously compromising their position barring anudda Waaaaghna type situation I can't see this attack as anything but a desperate attempt at acquiring upboats and/or Russian wives.
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>>3486
Russians have allegedly made incisions of there own in Kharkov and Sumy region, likely as a response to the Kursk front
>halt all Russian offensive actions in the Donbass
It didn't halt the offensive in the Pokrovsk and Toresk front.
>>3486
According to senior Zelensky aide, Mikhail Podoliak, the invasion is for to undermine trust in the Russian government by instilling fear in the local population. So basically lots and lots of terrorism and war crimes against civilians.
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Ukrainian Troops in Lyubimovka and Novoivanovka, Kursk Region.
>>3462
>Further UAF advance is expected as they introduce reserves into the breakthrough
Are these new conscript units? Recently UAF couldn't even rotate out the front line troops.
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>>3490
No, some of the most elite briadges were sent to Kursk. That's why they made advances so quickly
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>>3488
>the invasion is for to undermine trust in the Russian government by instilling fear in the local population.
They did this during the presidential elections ahem but all it did was increase voter turnout, piss off and galvanize Russians even more.
>>3492
>That's why they made advances so quickly
That would explain it. I suppose this is finally that springsummer counteroffensive, even if a year late. Although I don't see how Ukraine could sustain this when the RuAF proper shows up (and not just border patrols and local cops) and I doubt Russia would even consider starting peace talks until they push them out.
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>>3494
>and I doubt Russia would even consider starting peace talks until they push them out.
looks like that's the main goal for the Ukraine's objective. To stall peace talks, Zelensky right hand man Andriy Yermak, just announced that it won't do negotiations with Russia anymore. Seems like Ukraine is trying push Russia out of the next Swiss summit again.
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Wagner vets under the Ratibor and Pyatnashka brigade are entering Kursk.
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>>3495
That can't be it. Swiss summit was a farce, just a show of NATO countries proclaiming their support of Ukraine again. It doesn't need any PR work to keep Russia out. A real peace negotiation is outright impossible too: nobody to do it until the US election is over and the russian side isn't going to give anything while they are ahead.
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bro this time it is happening wow it is real war out there really ignore the subzero footage it is totally real and happening right now!
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>>3501
>tightly packed vehicle column standing still
Have they been paying attention these last two years?
>>3503
explain your ramblings
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>>3504 did not it ever occure to you that it is a bit weird how there is more,  way more, war footage off from second world war than there is today, excluding executing prisoners or whatever in fields with drones
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>>3501
i thought all Wagner soldiers are supposed to be Rosgvardiya?
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>>3502
no peace deal will succeed in my opinion, the Russians wont let go of a single Oblast since each one of them is effectively a quarter of their overall gained territory and the Ukrainians have made it clear since the beginning of the war that they will not let go of their territory.
>>3505
lol wut? you're drunk. videos are being published daily from military and civilian sources alike, people are live streaming shit. WW2 was much much larger in scope (hint: "world" part) for now anyway, so per-capita the amount of content is much higher. soldiers are of course being restricted from posting as much or even carrying cellphones because opsec, which is only logical.
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>>3507
>i thought all Wagner soldiers are supposed to be Rosgvardiya?
They're not Rosgvardiya aka Russian National Guard, but yes they are part of the regular command chain now however I guess the units are allowed to maintain some of their 'character'. Specifically Pyatnashka is under the 1st Donetsk Army Corps which has a ceremonial allegiance/lineage to a WW2-era 'guard' unit, but that's separate from the modern day national guard. </autism>
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>mfw have to answer to Putin
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>>3512
>beer belly general
>Facing putin
Man's gonna be in FREE GULAG
I think this incursion will give Putin the reason to take the entirety of Kharkov, Chernihiv and Sumy oblast, if the RFAF are able.
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>>3504
>Have they been paying attention these last two years?
Its Russia, of course they've learned fucking nothing. Last night one such column was attacked, 100+ dead at least.
Untill summary execution of incompetent officers are a common occurance, nothing will change, Russian army is incapable of change otherwise due to the historical lack of responsibility and accountability that commanders have for their subordinates.

I believed the accounts of soviet officers and commander reckless abandon for the lives of their men were overly exaggerated, if somewhat true, due to the cold war propaganda etc. But no - Incompetence trough and trough on every conceivable level.
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>>3515
>b-bro they have always been incompetent and that is why they won ww2
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>>3510 care to share these organic videos about actual warfare, kindly go ahead and do it
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>>3514
>Kharkov, Chernihiv and Sumy oblast,
I hope the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria is included.
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Russians accumulated enough forces to start a counter attack, several Ukrainian advanced units have been knocked out of their forward positions. Russian units have yet to make contact with the Ukrainian units that have already dug in in several populated areas.
UAF is expected to hold as long as possible and gradually introduce reserves in order to delay their withdrawal.
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That being said, Ukrainians still have option to shift their weight of attack and go in another direction deeper into Russian territory.  Time will tell what they decide.
>>3515
>I believed the accounts of soviet officers and commander reckless abandon for the lives of their men were overly exaggerated, if somewhat true, due to the cold war propaganda etc. But no - Incompetence trough and trough on every conceivable level.
One thing I've read is that on average soviet troops could be very good skirmishers after gaining some experience in actual combat, but when the brass ordered an attack their officers were given a map with objectives and a timetable to reach them, so their only option was to tell their men to charge forward, and if it didn't work they kept throwing reserves at the enemy, because the timetable was more important than causalities. And when it happened the red army turned from a rather reasonable fighting force into some tragicomic waste of human lives.
>>3516
The soviets and the Germans were incompetent in different ways, but the former had the western allies for backup.
>>3519
If Putler was a funny guy he would order total mobilization and order a general attack along the whole Ukrainian-Russian border, then tell Tractorman to join the party once it's in full swing. Although that doesn't seem to be a realistic scenario as of now.
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Ukrainians are using doorbell cameras and surveillance cameras on russian houses to spy on russian movements
The ukros have allegedly knocked down two columns of equipment before it even arrived at the front,  this from a pro russian channel
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>>3521
eternal western cope
you were always irrelevant literally
west could not defeat germany nor russia alone in ww2
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>>3490
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was NATO troops.
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>>3517
>organic videos about actual warfare
Whatever the hell that means... the old thread is full of gopro type footage, if that's what you mean, here's a few: >>2985 >>3317 >>3320 >>3334
>>3521
>And when it happened the red army turned from a rather reasonable fighting force into some tragicomic waste of human lives.
>when
That was literally day 1 of Barbarossa when Stalin issued a blanket order to counterattack alone the entire front.
>>3523
>knocked down two columns of equipment before it even arrived at the front
It's becoming a tradition at this point.
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>>3525
bot, reported. hope the mods get rid of spambots like you.
>>3528
>That was literally day 1 of Barbarossa when Stalin issued a blanket order to counterattack alone the entire front.
Indeed, what I wrote usually applied to the relatively quiet times between major offensives. But once some higher up said that a village has to be taken they would gladly order attacks that made the first few days of ww1 reasonable. The problem is, of course, that people use these to craft various narratives for propaganda purposes. Not all soviets were incompetent all the time, but on average they definitely fucked up on the tactical level on a daily basis.
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>>3521
>>3530
>Incompetence
Soviet officers/NCOs/Enlisted are a whole different breed than American ones.  For the longest time they refused to teach NCOs and the enlisted how to read a map or use a compass (even into the Russian Federation era), reason being because they considered it to be the officers duty to do that (and the unwritten part is afraid of an uprising like Aurora or Storozhevoy would bring).

Which is great if you're down on training time/expenses or afraid of a political coup, not so great when your one officer gets domed by artillery shrapenel or doesn't understand the situation well tactically like any US butterbar.
>>3527
>NATO
If it was I expect a full media circus in russia  and operation unthinkable to occur.
>>3526
This might sound strange, but I'm kinda happy for them. It's like when you're way ahead in sports, and then the other team gets points on the board. Even though you're against them, it's cool that they got something going and made it more respectable.
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>>3532
dude people are dying
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>>3533
obviously lol
No really, I get your point, but there's nothing we can do about all the death and destruction. War is terrible, but there are worse things, like the slavery offered to the world by GAEmerica/ZOG.
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>>3532
Yeah I was hoping for some offensive action on the Ukranian side of a while. If they can't do anything on the frontlines, then make a new frontline. Same tactics the Russians did so I am surprised the Russians seemed unaware of such a scheme. Especially when there is plenty of border territory that is not an active front to sneak over. At this point the best they can do is cause Russia to have a bigger black eye. Now the real question is if this is forcing the Ukranians to lose ground elsewhere if their best troops are too busy dying in Russia to defend the front.
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>>3534
there's nothing quite as terrible as war
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>>3532
>>3536
While it does make things more interesting, I'm not happy about it. For one thing because it seems it'll prolong the war and I just wish it were over with, and for another because NATO troops (de facto, and with NATO equipment, even if not officially) fighting on Russian soil is an escalation I'd rather avoid.
>>3519
>CY+9 Ugraine post-2023 Summer obfensiv post-loss.jpg of Avdiivka fortifications
>reserves
What did he mean by this?
Damn Russians, because of this fuckup, the Ukie fanboys are more annoying then ever.
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>>3546
NOOOOOOO NOT THE OFFICIAL  ZZZCHAN TRUCKS
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>S.T.A.L.K.E.R game developers donate 100 vans to Ukrainian border guards
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>>3536
The Russians are advancing in the Donbass, last I checked, and I'm sure they've got plenty enough to go around for both offense and defense.
As Sun Tzu said,
>if you reinforce everywhere, you are weak everywhere
You can't secure every mile of a long border, you have to prioritize, even if that means allowing counterattacks/salients and containing them after.

>>3537
As I said, I'd rather risk life & limb in a warzone than live "safely" under chattel slavery.
>>3450
Why can't Russia just curb stomp these faggots and get this over with?
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>>3552
because they dont have you on their side XD
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>>3549
I hate how sanctimonious these retards are. Putin is apparently too dumb to figure out how to end this but goddamn the Ukrainians are insufferable.
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>>3553
no, seriously, why is Zelensky still alive? Why has Putin not killed him yet? It's really pathetic.
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>>3546
Russian retards fucking it up again. Ukrainains are decimated and drafting teenage girls but Russia still acts like they want to lose. Idiots.
>>3555
because he is retarded
>>3554
>Putin is apparently too dumb to figure out how to end this but goddamn the Ukrainians are insufferable.
Bad news - hohol diaspora will be screeching about this for the next century ala holocaust regardless.
>>3550
>ebul rusia bear invaders
>aesthetic, open source, cute and funny Buchankas still in the prime of their lives after 50+ years of dutiful service thanks to DIY patchwork autism unique to each machine, also zzzchan sponsorship to own the libs
>glorious heroic NATO protectors
<sterilized standardized mass-produced grey Waste European post-2007 minivans feat. Stalker 2 adverts financed by NFTs and yield farming options from expected organ harvests of Ukrainian defectors traitors to the western value system
Does the Ukrainian General Staff expect Chinese subcontractors to finish Stalker 2 for them after multiple key developers have already been KIA with god knows how many potentially too WIA to develop vidya for the rest of their lives?
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>>3562 
>standardized mass-produced grey Waste European post-2007 
Sad to see them going the freedom route.
>>3562
Are Buchankas really open source? Would you happen to have the plans?
Ukraine’s Kursk Offensive Blitzed Russia With Electronic Warfare And Drones
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/08/09/ukraines-kursk-offensive-blitzed-russia-with-electronic-warfare-and-drones/
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tl;dr is that they first blinded the Russians with interceptor drones, then quickly deployed a whole lot of jammers, and followed it up with drone attacks of their own. Of course, it is western mainstream media, so who knows how much of it is true.
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>>3552
>Why can't Russia just curb stomp these faggots and get this over with?

My guess is incompetence mixed with over confidence and lack of foresight in relation to military developments (also corruption). 
Burgers got it figured out decades ago, you go in with overwhelming force mixed with shock and awe; instead, Russians went in with 1 to 2.5 force disadvantage, deep into hostile territory with no flanks and almost no follow up on a preliminary bombing, which itself was a relative whimper if taken into consideration remnant Soviet era military infrastructure and equipment as well as the size of Ukraine. All of this pretty much depleted combat ready units of Russian center army and they lost opportunity to end the war quickly, forcing them to scramble means and men in order to stablize the situation at front ( Post Kharkov counter offensive), meanwhile, Ukraine pressganged mobilized enough fodder men to force a stalemate. We're now seeing the fallout of the Russian decision to go in limp wristed into Ukraine and not being able to predict changing paradigm of cutting edge warfare ( cheap, disposable suicide and recon drones)

I believe that Russians thought the limited show of force will be enough to force Ukrainians to capitulate (Which they almost did, but Boris pretty much torpedoe'd that) and avoid full on sanctions from the West if they managed to knock out Ukraine quickly. Jokes on them since West pretty much goaded Ukraine into the conflict and implemented near unrestricted sanctions almost immediately, freezing assets and making Russians go confused pickachu face. 

tl;dr
Russians thought Ukraine is gonna roll over, Ukraine didn't and now they're locked into  biggest open conflict since WW2 and are force to spend hundreds of thousands of lives because they've grossly miscalculated.

long post because bored
>>3566
>not being able to predict changing paradigm of cutting edge warfare ( cheap, disposable suicide and recon drones)
Sometimes I really feel like a military genius for realizing more than a decade ago that drones are the future.
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>>3566
I agree with this. Also, I think they have no reason to work fast now that plan A failed. Quick russian victory would result in an occupation of a hostile population at least in mid to western parts and fights against insurgent groups coordinated by glowniggers. They've had their asses kicked in Afghanistan before, I doubt anyone in Moscow would willingly ask for a repeat. Instead, this slow meatgrinder depletes ukrainian supplies and kills off combat-capable men, leaving only harmless old farts and whores in taken territories.
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>>3566
Ukrainian/NATO propaganda is so pervasive, it shows up even here.

Granted, there's a grain of truth here. Russia spent the early weeks of this war going in with blitzkrieg tactics using a lean force, hoping Ukraine would crumble. Instead, the AFU held, and they had to withdraw after taking losses. But then they shifted strategy from WWII to a cyberpunk WWI, NATO has had no answer to that, and they've been winning ever since. Also, the thunder run to Kiev was meant to throw Ukraine off balance so they could capture Mariupol and consolidate territory in the Donbass.

More importantly, Western estimates of Russian losses are off by an order of magnitude. Mediazona's recorded count is about 62k. Assuming that's a low count, we can bring that up to 72k. That's not insignificant, it's already past Vietnam losses, but it's still quite sustainable, especially since this is a proxy war of Russia vs NATO.

Various sources estimate a 5:1 ratio (based on POWs, Putin's statements, etc). Some go higher to 7:1, but I'll stick to the low number, which would give us 360k Ukrainian losses. That is unsustainably high, and if these numbers are anywhere near accurate, it means Ukraine is getting attrited to death, while Russia is taking some hits but doing well overall. 

Given the sheer amount of fakery from Western media, the steady Russian advance, various frontline footage I've seen, etc, I'd lean towards those numbers being fairly accurate.

As for the incursion, Ukraine has plenty of population to sacrifice for globohomo, and as I said above, breakthroughs are bound to happen on a long border.

>>3554
On the bright side, it's inflating their supporters with hopium, so they'll crash all the harder during the inevitable downfall.

>>3555
I think he wants to keep Zelensky alive for some reason or other, maybe to capture him eventually.

>>3565
I'm sure some of it is true, along with a DDOS attack. Sources say that the British helped plan the incursion.
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>>3566
Wasn't the initial prediction something like "If Russia takes Ukriaine out in a month or less, they win but if Ukraine manages to survive past a month, they will win"? Or was it the opposite?
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>>3570
I've been assuming that both sides (i.e. Russia and NATO) have been waiting for the other to slip up and escalate too far so that they have an excuse to go hard.

Also Zaporizhzhia is on fire.
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>>3567
>Sometimes I really feel like a military genius for realizing more than a decade ago that drones are the future.
Hindsight is 20/20, but they legitimately pulled almost nothing from their Syria experience even though there were telltale signs that drones will play key role in future conflicts. Interesting that Ukrainan Army and Donetsk Volunteer Corps were probably on forefront of drone warfare since they've had experience with them since the war in Donbass and they've shown to be extraordinary effective, yet you'd had some old fuck Russian generals saying drones were useless as recently as begging of 2024.
Experience trickleback is non existant within fossilized higher command in Russian HQ. Young officers show promise though, so there's that.

>>3568
> I think they have no reason to work fast now that plan A failed
Yeh, I agree that Russian course correction is probably right. 
The name of the game now is attrition so Russians must play to the fact they can out last Ukraine manpower wise. Not pretty, but necessary. 
I think main reason the Russia hasn't slapped mobilization button harder is that the biggest concern is home front for them and public opinion of goverment.

>>3570
>Ukrainian/NATO propaganda is so pervasive, it shows up even here.
Nah, I take any take from either side with skepticism even though I'm on a pro Russian side. My deduction are purely from what I've seen from combat footage ,some pro Ukrainan channels and pro Russian ones. 
Not gonna claim I'm 100% right on what I say, just how the situation it seems to me.

>Western estimates of Russian losses are off by an order of magnitude.
I agree that the usual numbers of 400-500K Russian losses are bullshit and should not be taken seriously, but I think the 100K+ of WIA/MIA/KIA has been already cracked on the Russian side, though I'd put it on low to mid 100K's

>Various sources estimate a 5:1 ratio (based on POWs, Putin's statements, etc). Some go higher to 7:1, but I'll stick to the low number, which would give us 360k Ukrainian losses.
Pains me to say it, but at best I'd give Russians trading favorably 1:3 manpower wise due to artillery advantage, with Ukrainians taking less of tank and AFV casulties due to the nature of the combat so far. But that being said, Russians can afford to trade unfavorably on that front due to the sheer advantage in heavy equipment. 


I would still put my money on Russians slogging this one out and getting favorable peace in the end, though nothing I've seen has given me any confidence in their operational art. 

>>3571
My take on cafe was if Russians dont win within 3 months then it's gonna be dicey for them and no longer a sure deal.
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It is on fire because the russian set tires on fire. :^)
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>>3550
Makes sense. The games love to have that army base border of the zone to fuck you up.
>>3565
>Kursk Offensive
Is the whole thing a PR stunt to shift attention from the steady losses everywhere else? There's no way Ukraine can sustain this operation if nothing else because of basic logistics (or lack thereof) but also who will be rotating out the elite units (probably the B-team), and last but not least the actual Russian military seems to be finally showing up in the region. So it's a question of when not if Russia will reclaim the territory, the 'bargaining chip for peace negotiations' theory doesn't make sense.
>>3570
>Kiev was a feint
stopped reading
>>3571
>but if Ukraine manages to survive past a month, they will win
At this point there's no "win" scenario for Ukraine because even if they regain their territory (they won't) the demographics and economy are absolutely fucked more so from emigration than combat losses. And there's not going to be a Marshall Plan afterward for them.
>>3573
>but they legitimately pulled almost nothing from their Syria experience even though there were telltale signs that drones will play key role in future conflicts
Well they were planning for a '20 minute adventure' not a long campaign like Syria, not enough time for a paradigm/dogma shift.
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>>3581
I wonder how the NAFOs will cope about losing the eastern front.
But I guess they will just conveniently forget about it and start harping on about Ukie victories from 22.
>>3587
>Is the whole thing a PR stunt to shift attention from the steady losses everywhere else? There's no way Ukraine can sustain this operation if nothing else because of basic logistics (or lack thereof) but also who will be rotating out the elite units (probably the B-team), and last but not least the actual Russian military seems to be finally showing up in the region. So it's a question of when not if Russia will reclaim the territory, the 'bargaining chip for peace negotiations' theory doesn't make sense.

>At this point there's no "win" scenario for Ukraine because even if they regain their territory (they won't) the demographics and economy are absolutely fucked more so from emigration than combat losses. And there's not going to be a Marshall Plan afterward for them.

I think these two things are related. The only "win" scenario for them is to somehow trigger NATO to go in and fight for them. There's still no way that ends in a win because it would be WWIII, even if it managed to stay conventional, but I could see how Zelensky could convince himself that it could be.
>>3581
>even notorious FSA fellator Jewlian RΓΆpcuck is going against the invincibru Ugraina party line
It's ogre, Putler won.
>>3587
>PR stunt
By all accounts it's that plus some bizarre strategic delusions by NATO "experts" about how terrorizing Russians on their home territory will take down Putler once and for all because Sanctions have deprived Russians from essential Funko Pop deliveries and Ukraine is invincible because no matter how hard Putler bombs the land and people the MIC exists outside the country where he can't bomb without causing WW3, I mean look how willing brave Ukrainian cripples are to die for greater Khazaria against their will while stoopid monkey Putin hasn't even done a general mobilization which would surely get him beheaded by St. Petersburg non-binary indigenous muslim brigades, anyways our men just need to hold on for a bit longer as der Angriff gen Kursk wird das alles wieder in Ordnung bringen.

Funny enough these talking points work much better against Western or Western-aligned countries/governments like the Afghan puppet state.
Just hope Putin isn't so zoned out he conquers the entirety of the Ukraine but "forgets" about the Kursk border leading to an Afrin SDF-esque situation with some Taiwan thrown in then again /r/ukraine is furiously jacking off to "Kursk People's Reoublic" fantasies and Plebbitors aren't known to meme responsibly.
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>>3573
I'll admit, I can't dismiss your figures out of hand. Maybe I'm the one who's wrong cause I'm too optimistic, we'll see. Although I'd like to clarify that 70k was strictly KIA, obviously you have to scale upwards into 6 figures for MIA and especially WIA.

>>3587
>stopped reading
kek

>>3592
Indeed. Aside from plebbit, it's entirely possible that the propagandists are getting high on their own supply, ie believing their own lies to some extent. I'll admit, the weaving together of an entirely illusory version of the war is one of the more fascinating aspects of this, alongside the maturation of drone warfare and resurgence of WWI. If there's one field where the Ukraine is winning, it's propaganda.
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>>3593
>propagandists are getting high on their own supply
Critical hit right there. I'm pretty sure it's not just the propagandists but everyone in charge, on all sides. It's the most sensible explanaition of why it's all so ridiculously stupid.
>Some Ukrainian speaheads seem to be running out of steam, while some continue to still find success as Ukrainians probe Russian defenses in several other directions along the border. Ukraine is expect to commit another battalion into the battle very soon.
>Sudzha is practically abandoned by the Russians and should be counted as under UAF control.
>Kursk attack seem to have little effect on Russian efforts in Donbass for now as they continue to push Ukrainian army.
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>>3602
> Ukes run into a treeline that isn't obliterated
That actually caught me off guard
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>>3607
man, that could be my grandma, this shit sucks
Glory be to Free Kurskestan.
If they run, they're a vatnik, if they stand still, they're a well disciplined vatnik.
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>>3611 
Meant for >>3601
imagine being forcefully conscripted Ukranian by a Jew and now You know that Russians will probably torture You if they capture You since it is morally justifiable, wow very nice
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imagine being forcefully conscripted Russian by a bumbling cocksucker and now You know that Ukrainians will probably torture You if they capture You since it is morally justifiable, wow very nice
what do some shit skin indians stroy article have to do with Jew killing ethnic population of a country he controls by force?
>>3601
On one hand Russians also had a tendency to hose any car they came across with automatic fire. On the other hand, this will definitely piss off quite a few Russians, and that will not help Ukrainians at all.
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>>3611
>a vatnik runs
>a gopnik squats
>a pajeet shits
>a roach skitters
>a kurd screeches
>a chechen bombs
>a burger kneels
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How long has ukraine been using that triangle on their vehicles?
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thought the flag was kenny
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>>3616
Isn't this whole thing a huge risk for Ukraine? Like what if some part of the invasion force goes rogue and does a Liddice to some Russian village. Wouldn't that piss the Russian populous off enough that they would agree to general mobilization and free Putin's hands to go hammer down on Ukraine?
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>>3627
>implying war crimes aren't part of the plan
Yes and yes.
Of course natto commissars know better than >we do, Ukraine's final victory will wash away any perceived crimes committed by valiant Judeo-national socialist heroes upon the filthy anti-semitic Vatnig Trotskyite mongrels.
>Alaudinov stated that details of the operation of Ukrainian troops in the Kursk region have been received: the Ukrainian Armed Forces were supposed to take the nuclear power plant in Kurchatov on August 11.

>After this, according to him, Kiev planned to enter into negotiations with Russia and present an ultimatum.

>The Ukrainian Armed Forces failed to complete the mission in the Kursk region; most of the enemy’s equipment has already been destroyed .

>The Ukrainian Armed Forces do not control Sudzha, Russian units are in the city, and there are daily clashes there

Taken from Pro Russian Telegram, so you know, not to he taken without a serious grain of salt.
There might be something to it, because nobody can actually figure out what did Ukrainian army expect to accomplish in Kursk, even Washington claims they're trying to figure it out.
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>>3629
>nobody can actually figure out what did Ukrainian army expect to accomplish in Kursk
Maybe they are trying to beeline to Moscow, just like what the Russians tried to do with Kiev.
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>>3630
>Prigozhin does his protest blitz to Moscow basically unopposed, gets very far but stoppes short not to cause a civil war
>Warns Russian goverment to get their shit in line and take the war seriously, fortifiy the borders, make checkpoints and mobile defense to stop any attempt at someone doing the exact same thing he did
>Russia learns nothing 
>Prigozhin has an 'accident'
>Russia learns nothing
>Ukraine copies Prigozhins homework almost 1-for-1 and does mini blitz in Kursk
>Russia will learn nothing 

Makes sense honestly.
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>>3631
so how far did ukranians really get? 
tbh it is hard to believe ANYTHING they say or anything " positive " told about them since almost everything is proven bullshit to a degree it is insulting ones intelligence
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Both Suriyakmaps and Rybar on telegram have good rundown on current status and changes on the battlefield.
Rybar is pro Russian obviously but they dont hold punches when it comes to reporting Russian faliures, both off and on battlefield. 
Suriyakmaps is probably as neutral as you're gonna get anytime soon, the channels audience is largely pro Russian.

As for how far Ukrainians got, difficult to asses due to the nature of the attack; some of the UAF units have eneterd several villages/towns and have entrenched themselves there, while other detachments went way deeper into the Russian territory ,though these raiding units cant hold ground that deep into Kursk province and are starting to be annihilated by the Russian reinforcements.
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>The fall of Pokrovsk could turn into a catastrophe for our country. This city has the only mine where coking coal is mined, which is used in metallurgy. Stopping Pokrovsk would automatically mean stopping Metinvest and not only that, other metallurgical enterprises. Secondly, what is even more terrible is that the capture of Pokrovsk will allow Russian troops to fire cannon artillery and MLRS at Pavlograd, at the railway junction, which in turn will disrupt logistics with Zaporozhye and Dnepr. This cannot be allowed, because it could turn into a catastrophe. In this regard, the offensive in the Kursk region pales even from a military point of view against the backdrop of what is happening in the Donbass,"

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>>3633
All the Kursk maps are kind of misleading and wildly different from who you want to believe . Also the ukrianians are using the Korenevo-Snagost highway. Vnezapnoye has been taken over by Ukros
allegedly residents of 183 settlements in the Sumy region, bordering Russia, are being evacuated.
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>>3640 so ukranians intentionally opened another front? literally why, so that Jewlenskyy can beg for more cash or
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>>3625
context? looks staged
>>3629
>take the nuclear power plant in Kurchatov
>enter into negotiations with Russia and present an ultimatum
um, what was that supposed ultimatum?
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>>3642
>context? looks staged
Hohols taking slavs from Kurks to a party in ukraine.
>>3641
bryansk region is declared under a emergency
state of emergency
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Was that a Pig or Bear drone?
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To no one's surprise, Ukraine was behind the sabotage of Nordstream.
Anyway, I've been thinking, could Ukraine's push in Kursk be a prelude to a cease fire agreement?

Now Ukraine has something to "give back" to Russia in exchange for whatever area Ukraine thinks they can get back.
>>3655
yea i am sure russians will trade 1 chocolade for 100000
>>3655
>Anyway, I've been thinking, could Ukraine's push in Kursk be a prelude to a cease fire agreement?
No fucking way. Why the fuck would russians agree to any terms while they are winning on all fronts?
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>>3655
>could Ukraine's push in Kursk be a prelude to a cease fire agreement?
Not according to this Russian diplomat:
>first there is an understanding that through these terrorist attacks in Kursk Ukraine has all but paused for a long time the negotiating track 
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>>3658
That is fucking radical.
>>3636
These are kind of aesthetic, maybe I will get myself a model.
>>3653
Chink drone I believe, for agricultural stuff.
>>3655
It was the burgers following jewish orders.
>>3638
Ukraine is claiming they fully captured Sudzha in Kursk Oblast.
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The slavs really dropped the ball, eh?
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>>3663
Great. Now what? 
What makes them think that, after not being able to defend on two fronts they will be able to open and defend another one? They already have to dig in and abandon mobile warfare (though well performed and always nice to see due to how dynamic it is) which together with element of surprise are the only things which allowed ukrainians to succeed in the first place. 

>Attack if you can attack, defend if you can't attack, flee if you can't defend, surrender if you can't flee, die if you can't surrender!
>~Sima Yi
And since as evidenced by summer offensive ukrainians cannot attack, cannot attack as evcidenced by sityuation in donbass and cannot withdraw due to inhuman jewish overlords, they can only die. Kursk offensive only makes sense as a suicide attempt, or human sacrifice. There is no discernable victory condition for ukrainians, this war for a long time has had only one purpose - weakening russia as much as possible. Not by killing russians, but by obliterating ukrainian population that will inevitably come under russian control. 
>>3664
Big time. Though to be honest defense does not start at the border, there is no huge wall maned by guards there, border guards are glorified cops.  Defense starts a chunk of land later. This chunk of land is not much further than what Ukrainians currently hold in that direction. Though their further raids are commandable, even ig ultimately fruitless. 
The worst fucking thing is that russians are sill not treating this seriously. Why is VDV, their prime reaction force whose biggest benefit is being able to be dropped by air from the other end of the continent, not present? Why are they not attempting to outflank ukrainian push? Why are they STILL using only local assets instead of mobilizing nearby reserves? 
Like seriously what the fuck.
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No seriously what is the point here?
>capturing gas pump station
Fucking great you can now stop the gas from flowing through the pipeline spanning your entire country !
>capturing the only rail juncture capable of supplying kharkov front !
Big if true, needs further verification. Anybody knows more?
>capturing nuclear power plant and blowing it up
russians would literally nuke themselves over letting them capture it.
>capture more land or even Kursk to have a bartering card in a peace deal
nigger you are not holdingbthis land you cannot hold even your most fortified bullshit region with kilometers of trenches minefields drone spotting  overlapping fields of artillery fire series of open fields followed by lines of trees making for free killzones and mile high mountains of slag providing overview of yhe entire battlefield and that is not even mentioning past bullshit like presighted floodzones or azovstal. You are not holding this shit for long enough for diplomats to reach talking table. 
>push as far as possible and drop missiles on moscow
fucking great, it has no effect. You pissed into ocean of piss and now it is angry

Fucking kikes stop murdering your own men, these are brave soldiers not your fucking toys
>>3668
Russians have air superiority, just not supremacy. They are constantly dropping fabs all over the place and shot down whatever they cam still find. Even with superiority your enemy is capable of flying missions, germans and japs were capable of operating planes even at the ass end of ww2
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>>3655
>Ukraine was behind the sabotage of Nordstream.
So now will the EU declare war/sanctions on The Ukraine?
ZOG can't get more obvious
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Kurskestan will be the new empire to replace the Pussian Federation.
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>>3673
>So now will the EU declare war/sanctions on The Ukraine?
No. Ukraine is taking the blame for the pipeline, I doubt they were behind it, participants - sure - but not the masterminds but this is convenient for everyone. Recall those clips from POTUS and congress saying the pipeline wasn't going to operate wink wink nudge nudge pepperidge farms remembers
>>3655
>Nordstream gayop
Wasn't that joint project between Norway and the US?

>>3672
Furthermore in the current day it's practically impossibru to prevent anyone from launching man-portable drones regardless of who has "conventional" air superiority unless someone decides to employ CBRN weapons, but thankfully this war hasn't gone that far yet.
Given the growing capability of drones in many areas previously reserved for manned aircraft the whole concept and doctrine of "air supremacy" is probably obsolete anyway.

>>3674
Maybe the US will strategically redeploy Kurds from Rojava to culturally enrich the Kursk People's Republic.
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>>3655
Hasnt the nordstream thing been known for a good year or so now?
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>>3680
havent the Russians deployed white phosphorus before?
>>3681
Known? Yes basically. This is their first time admitting it though.

>>3680
>Furthermore in the current day it's practically impossibru to prevent anyone from launching man-portable drones regardless of who has "conventional" air superiority unless someone decides to employ CBRN weapons
Couldn't you use jamming techniques  to disrupt drones? I'm specifically thinking of quad-copters and such rather than big boy drones with a satellite connection.
Speaking of satellites, how long before someone says "Fuck it." and does a Kessler syndrome?
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>>3684
>Couldn't you use jamming techniques  to disrupt drones? I'm specifically thinking of quad-copters and such rather than big boy drones with a satellite connection.
That's what both the Russians and Ukrainians have been doing to one another since the beginning, the problem there being that Jammers have rather notable radio signatures which anti-radiation missiles/drones like to follow and may also have sizeable power/fuel requirements depending on their capability.
Satellite connections can also be jammed as the many occurences of western "smart" munitions missing their targets thanks to Russian interference show, though any proper read: Houthi fully autonomous drone certainly has onboard redundancies such as inertial navigation to account for eventual jamming, and radio jammers can't into disrupting laser datalinks.

>how long before someone says "Fuck it." and does a Kessler syndrome?
That's bound to happen on its own before long, the question is if the current great powers could reach an agreement regarding terrestrial information triage before the Internets temporarily die and western urban civilization collapses due to YouTube being restricted to 240p, Denuvo servers shutting down and Xitter only being available for 2 hours a day with daily posting limits for non-verified accounts.
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>>3685
>current great powers could reach an agreement regarding terrestrial information triage
Sure, the agreement will be
>Government and MIC get all the bandwidth. Fuck the plebs.
And then the rest of your explanation happens.
>>3680
>the whole concept and doctrine of "air supremacy" is probably obsolete anyway.
Tell that to hohols getting FABs dropped on their heads, see if they agree.
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>>3687
I don't think Hohols are at the stage where manned Russian fighters are shooting down Ukrainian F-16s on short final.
>>3685
>Internets temporarily die and western urban civilization collapses due to YouTube being restricted to 240p
I have hope that gen-x and millenials will be able to recall the old ways of their youth and the brainrot isn't too permanent, but gen-z and gen-a are fucked I'm afraid this is all they know, nothing to fall back on.
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>>3689
>but gen-z and gen-a are fucked
Fucked in what way? Granted they are more likely to see an erasure of the internet as more "apocalyptic" than one with more perspective might, but they can and will adapt.
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>>3691
On one hand that will be a major problem for russians
On another, it suggests ukrainians abandoned plans of advancing further.
>>3691
Let's see if Zelensky and Duptin turn this into another Bachmut-tier Fleischwolf or the Russians might do something cool for once and try for a flanking encirclement maneuver.
>>3690
Adapt they will, but at a price.
The modern young are extremely dependent on personalized algos and fisher-price live service UIs running off some botnet telemetry centre in China, decades long cross-generational gayopping has convinced them that command lines=literally Hitler and ζΌ’ε­—=焑理, many of gen Alpha have also never used a conventional file manager let alone a desktop PC.
Worse yet much like boomers before them key lines/methods of thought in regards to independent problem solving have been psychologically ((( blocked ))) thanks to modern education, it'd be one thing if normalfags were just stupid but they've been groomed into thinking they have to be stupid and never dare think beyond arbitrary thought-limits set by modern ((( educational instutions ))).
Now add 24/7 Tranny advertising on Nigger/Tiktok/Reddit/Dicksword and who knows what could happen in the event of some major worldwide Internets failure Pajeets would jump at the chance though should phone services continue to operate.
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The FSB are opening criminal cases on foreign journalists who cross through Russia illegally, this includes  journalists who are filming in Kursk
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>>3700
Fedniggers at work as always.
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>>3701
It's like the state needs to keep the rest of the world from knowing that it's losing (nevermind that its 3 day operation turned 2 and a half years)
I am still unhappy that Whites are killing one another.
>inb4
>>russians
>>h'white
>>ukrainians
>>h'white
Yes, yes, I understand not all Russians and Ukrainians are White. Clearly I only care about the multitude of ones who were and have died or will be killed in the future. I look at my eastern euro steam friends and their last login dates and grow pretty sad. Maybe I'm acting like a stupid girl by assuming the worst and overreacting, and maybe some or all of them just grew up and moved on. I'd like to believe that.

Now, semites genociding each other in Yidsrael: cool. Fuck kikes and fuck muslims.
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>Ukraine was behind the sabotage of Nordstream
They have a right to attack it, so its OK.
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I've been noticing from recent footage that the Russians are slowly starting to field in more EMR and other camo uniforms over Multislop. Is nature finally starting to heal? 

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>>3665
Either Russian politics is fucking things up or the Russians are afraid of Ukraine going full schizo and decide to open up more fronts into Russia, necessitating the need for further reserves to react.
>>3705
Ah yes, the pipeline attacked them first, they blew it up in self defense.
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Allegedly the Ukrainians have made an incursion into Tetkino 17 km from the main Kursk front, I don't know if the ukrainains occupy it or if the russians pushed them out. It kind of weird that the Ukrainian mappers haven't recognized it yet.
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>AFU wearing plastic
For what purpose?
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>>3715
At this point this really seems like a hail Mary plan, because they will either somehow change the course of this war, or their forces in the Donbass will be crushed even faster than if they just kept fighting there. But what are they hoping for? They should know that Russians won't sue for a peace, and natto is unlikely to get involved directly at this point.
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>>3720
the Ukrainians haven't committed all the men and equipment they wanted to Kursk and they got stuck quicker then excepted. They are likely are going to try to make another front in Russia or they will make another hail mary attempt in Zaporizhia towards Crimea.
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>>3721
>they will make another hail mary attempt in Zaporizhia towards Crimea.
Nah, that is to retarded even for hohols, they have two options, pull the same shit in another part of the slav border, back down ask for more equipment gibs for a never ending war or invade Belarus.
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>>3721
>They are likely are going to try to make another front in Russia
At this point wouldn't it make more sense to rely on insurgent gayops rather than fighting conventionally?
>Crimea
Great Idea, surely nothing could go wrong there.
>>3721
>They are likely are going to try to make another front in Russia
Where? In Belgorod? Where all these unused troops are stationed? 
>they will make another hail mary attempt in Zaporizhia towards Crimea.
The mines and trenches are still there you know.
>>3717
The incursion only makes sense as a quick raid to obtain prisoners for exchange.
>>3691
>But what are they hoping for? 
The way I see it the Kursk raid will serve four purposes:

One: Pure moral boost for homefront. Ukraine has been fighting almost exclusively on its home turf, these attacks shift the fight into enemy territory and as such, has symbolic value.
Two: Capturing unprepared conscripts and civilians in order to refill the exchange fund. All signs point towards that Russians have substantially bigger fund of Ukrainian POW's than vice versa, Ukraine so far only exchanges rank and file Russian grunts for high value prisoners, such as ideologically motivated Azovites, Aidars etc.
Three: Western gibs. Ukraine needs to show that they're not done for yet and that further gibs is not futile.
Four: Further eroding of Russian military reputation aboard. My schizo head theory says its to lay ground for galvanization of western population in order to make it more likely they'll support a possible war against Russia in future. Think of pre WW2 German propaganda drive against the Soviets
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>>3722
>invade Belarus
I really want to see that happen, mostly because we might see some random Belarus prototype vehicles in combat if that happens. And seeing a country try to mobilize its forces the first after the better part of a century passed is always fun, With a bit of luch they could end up issuing some Papashas.
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>>3725
>My schizo head theory says its to lay ground for galvanization of western population in order to make it more likely they'll support a possible war against Russia in future. Think of pre WW2 German propaganda drive against the Soviets
You could definitely see parallels with the Winter War, especially if the Russians fail to take over the whole of the country, because everyone could conclude that they are a one-armed giant. Except that the soviets actually learned a whole lot from the Winter War, and then they were supported by the world's premiere industrial powerhouse and the world largest colonial empire in their fight against Germany. And if the west attacked them then there is a good chance that Shina and Iran would back them up alongside a gaggle of third world countries rich in resources, so they would be a comparable situation. And I have a feeling that the collective west would mismanage their resources to the same extent as the Third Reich did, if not even more. Not to mention that you could trust the average German during the 1940s to serve effectively, unlike the average LMBBBQ++ mutt of today.
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>The 74-year-old grandfather in this mocking Ukrainian video has gone missing - he hasn't been seen for 10 days. The person who posted the video online writes:

>"Don't worry, the Russian schweine didn't get to his vodka"
Adding that the pensioner was shot after the recording was finished. His granddaughter does not believe it.

>According to information from the Sources, the video was filmed on August 11 in the village of Zaoleshenka. The pensioner is a resident, Oleksandr Gusarov. He was looking for our soldiers but got lost and met two Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers dressed in the uniform of Nazi soldiers. One of them is a 38-year-old resident of the city of Horodenka in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, Vasyl Danylyuk (in the photo). It is he who shouts off-camera: "Hey, Russian Ivan! How are you, Russian Ivan? Go drink vodka!"

>Danylyuk and his as-yet unaccomplice are being asked to be found and detained alive - to be re-educated. A reward of 5 million rubles has already been announced for them.
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>>3720
If nothing else, it delays the peace process so Ukraine can ask for more gibs. Time will tell, but it isn't the worst of plans if they don't commit to holding the land and lose too many men over it. Zelensky should be playing like Hannibal and have his troops raid across the entire border before Russia can concentrate a response.
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The Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed the second bridge over the Seim River, along which the evacuation of the civilian population was taking place.

There is only one bridge left in the district near the village of Glushkovo
Not really related to anything but a volcano is now erupting in Russia.
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>>3743
Good, fucking normalfags and their damn social media.
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Anyone have the uncensored pic?
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Russian Pontoon bridge in Kursk geolocated on the Seym River.
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>>3719
>traitor
More like opportunists. Any non-white thirdie shithole resident with a braincell always try to move into real functional countries.
>Ukraine fanning the flames of overpopulation in Africa that leads to more migrant swarms into Europe.
Wait a minute, I'm starting to think Ukraine might be the bad guys here.
>Russia fanning the flames of global warming and perpetual wars in Europe by flooding immigrants westward
Wait a minute, I'm starting to think Slavs might be nothing but bad guys here.
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Belarus is sending equipment and men to the border
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Russian soldier brought his gf??? to New York
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>>3765
Any chance for a NATO color revolution/coup-type gayop in Ruthenia proper?
As risky as it may seem it's the one thing that if done successfully could lead to some gains for NATO even if Ukraine were to be defeated and carved up in Russia's favor, they could even claim that the Ukraine war was just an epic 666D chess play enacted solely to replace Alexandolf Lukashenkler.
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Zhuravka captured
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I hope they ban guns in Ukraine, how dare he point it at the recruiter.
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Looks like they banned the orthodox church in ukraine.
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>>3658
Modern helmets cant stop bullets let alone Kamikaze Drones.
how the fuck did he walk away with his head intact?
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Ukrainians are targeting Pontoon bridges in Kursk. Civilians targeted by Ukrainians in Kursk.
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>>3769
>posting 2 years old satire article with badly shopped picture in the age of AI image generation
You fags will bite at any pro Mongoloid propaganda huh.
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>>3783
I thought it was funny, maybe anon posted it because funny not because he bought it. remember jokes?
>>3777
I see 3 possibilites
>its shopped
>it is another guy then the one droned
>he managed to push back the drone far enough that he was outside of blast radius and did not get hit by shrapnel.
>>3767
You are 4 years too late. 
>>3779
>cluster munitions against a fucking pontoon bridge
?
???
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Π’ Π’Π΅Ρ€Π½ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ»Π΅
In Ternopol Chlorine cook off
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Passenger buses in the Belgorod region will be fitted with electronic equipment. Signed by the governor
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Foreign mercs inside Kursk will not be exchanged. That is off the table ~ruMOD
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>>3790
btw thanks for your service my men.
>>3785
>cluster munitions
Maybe they didn't have anything else on hand?
Wouldn't surprise me given the high consumption of munitions in this war.
There are reports that 200 Ukrainians are inside Bryansk region
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>>3772
How long until they ban the Catholic one?
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>>3794
After Moscow gets renamed to New Medina.
>>3793
>200
Like the code for dead bodies? I bet on miss translation / communication
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>>3789
What are these? Jammers or something?
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Town of Ptyche, Pokrovsk direction captured
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>>3800
>second pic 
I recognize that street.
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>>3796
Ukrainans get ambushed at the Bryansk border
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>>3808
The fuck am I watching?
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>>3811
A Ukrainian column getting hammered as soon as they cross theTroebortnoye checkpoint
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>Many people do not believe that there are Russians in the city. Very many in the chats said that they know that no one there is no that everything is calm На alas, but on this one the picture is not ours

Picture  was taken in Novogrodovka, Pokrovsk direction
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Anyone have an HD version of this?
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>>3726

>we might see some random Belarus prototype vehicles in combat

yes please
НигСр is nigger in russian? Is it pronounced  the same as English?
I know Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ is him in russian  but it's pronounced  ne vo
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>>3756
taken from the community page of Father Elijahcal
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Also i remember Father Elijahcal posting like an hour long video on why he believes Ukraine wont win, it was a really good video but i cant find it anywhere, he posted it on one of those youtube competitor sites like Vimeo or Vidlii just wondering if anyone has the link to it
Prigozhin died exactly 1 year ago.
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>>3783
>AI image generation
Nice meme, machine learning imaging systems still cannot replicate fine detail in high resolution, maybe soon enough as they almost know how to replicate anatomy unlike in the 9/11 days.
>>3804
Ah yes, the good old church/museum sacking, reminds me when the U.S. troops ransacked Baghdad and mesopotamian pottery started appearing in fancy thrift shops over New York and Texas
>>3833
I still wonder if he's somewhere in Africa cooking a nice 3-entry meal in a cool safehouse apartment, watching football all day. Or that he died in that Mali ambush that made a bunch of africans hate Ukraine.
Perhaps he really did die, very anti-climatic.
>>3830
It's "Π½Π΅Π³Ρ€", but that doesn't cause butthurt so nigger seems to have established itself as well.
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>>3835
Yeah if you want to offend someone call them gypsy or something.
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>>3831
Uma delicia!
>Ukrainian formations are trying to land on the Tendrivska and Kinburn spits in the Kherson region from the Black Sea and the Dnieper-Bug estuary , Governor Volodymyr Saldo said.

>Also, a number of monitoring channels report the movement of watercraft in the area of ​​the Odessa sea hub, numbering more than 200 units.

We got mini D-Day over here
>>3842
yeah
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Russians are assaulting inside Toretsk city itself
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Sever group records the results of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' "walk" along the Kursk border.
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Trenches built in Kursk on the E38 highway
2022: Russia is the 2nd best military in the world.
2023: Russia is the 2nd best military in Ukraine.
2024: Russia is the 2nd best military in Russia.

Evolution is real.
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>>3848
It's funny because it's true.
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>>3848
>>3849
Slow day on cuc/k/chan?
Russians can just dig trenches and fill them with conscripts to contain the Kursk offensive until they have all their lands west of the Urals criss-crossed with defensive lines like during the world wars, so they can definitely stop the Ukrainians eventually. The question is if they are willing to let conscripts handle the situation, or if the political price would be too big for that to happen.
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>>3777
Apparently he put all points in LUCK and made some mad dice rolls .

>The guy is currently waiting for spinal surgery in hospital, his life is out of danger.
>33-year-old Mikhail is a hereditary Cossack from the Voronezh region, fought in Donbass in 2014-2015. In July 2024, he volunteered for the SVO, fighting in an assault company.
>On August 4, during a combat mission in the Kharkov direction, Mikhail was attacked by an enemy kamikaze drone.
>But our soldier showed reckless bravery, hitting him with his head - the helmet took the brunt of the blow, but he, the soldier, was also injured. He was also wounded in the left shoulder blade - a fragment got stuck near the spine, and 2 fragments from a Polish mine - in the right shin.
>Mikhail, in a state of shock, reached his own people, where he received medical assistance and is now in the hospital.

Still, he got pretty banged up, doubt it was a very pleasant experience for him.
>>3851
The Ukrainians aren't fighting conscripts anymore but the professional army. VDV, Group Server, BARS as well as many Brigades that were resting in Rear of the SMO in the past 3 days. I don't remember all of the Brigades sent to Kursk but I remember it is a whole paragraph.
>>3846
What did this idiots hope to accomplish in Kursk? Was it really just a suicidal bellyflop for prestige media points?
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>>3781
what exactly was happening there?
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>>3768
looks like they caught a woman ukie. 
heh, rape time.
>>3755
of course a nigger signs up to fight the Jewish war against whites.
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>>3709
ukie women are just as fat as Americans.
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>>3862
damn that's brutal, how'd did his nogging explode
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>>3864
>NAFO
When that normalfag was talking about NAFO in his videos I thought he was talking about NATO, but then I started reading twitter posts about those normalfags while downloading videos.
I can't believe they are doing it for free.
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>>3865
Thank God for the special operations, can't get enough of buhankachan.
Anyone have that drawing of ukrainechan and russianchan on a field of sunflowers that gave you yuri undertones? I think ukrainechan was in a dress and russiachan was in a uniform.
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>>3855
The claim is that Ukraine wanted to capture Russian land so they can ransom it back in exchange for captured Ukrainian land.
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>>3870
Do the Russian border areas have anything of note? If eastern Ukraine is the industry portion of the country, then destroying the Kursk region does what to the Russian economy?
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>>3870
They also said they wanted to replenish their stock of PoWs for exchange.
It's pretty funny seeing western media openly report than the Hohols entered Russian territory specifically to take the residents as captives. They say it was just soldiers they captured, obviously, but I think we all know that any vaguely adult-ish male would be considered a valid target.
>>3871
He's saying the point is simply to exist on the land. Obviously Russia cannot cede a single square centimetre in exchange for gaining Ukrainian territory as part of any peace deal, so unless Russia can get them out by force, Ukraine can demand basically anything as a condition for leaving (not that that implies Russia would take it, but the offer can be used for posturing).
>>3848
>Russia is the 2nd best military in Russia.
But also the best military in the Ukraine.
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>>3869
Was it anime-style?
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The Ukrainians report that ru roops are moving freely along Parkovaya Street up to the intersection with Lermontov Street in the city of Novogrodovka in the Pokrovsky direction .
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Installation of the Russian flag with the emblem of the PMC "Wagner" in the southern part of Konstantinovka in the Ugledar direction.
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>>3880
>ukraine invades russia
>belarus moves troops to their border
I guess they are protecting their borders, since it would be unrealistic to invade the hohols.
>>3874
Yes, it was 2D, not 3DPD.
>>3879
>Ukraine, wear blue
>Russia, wear red
Really?
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>>3883
>Russia, wear red
Only Kursk front. Inside ukraine they use a different band color, if i remember
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>>3883
>>3884
I dont think colors were actually ever standardised
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>>3887
To my understanding, the Russians wear red & white bands, while Ukrainians wear mostly blue & yellow (which match their respective flags); the Ukrainians also wear green bands, which I think is a specialized role, not sure.
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The f-16s have been allegedly been hit.
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Russia is targeting electrical infrastructure In Ukraine.  
>Ukrainian drone hit an apartment in a high rise building in Saratov region this morning
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Ukraine police traffic controllers took to the streets due to the power outage at traffic lights.

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Video 1 >Lancet strike on a Ukrainian tank somewhere in the border area of the Kursk region.

Video 2 >south via Dresden Medical equipment heading to Poland 

3 >HUNDREDS ARRIVE AT MONASTERY IN UKRAINE, DEFYING ZELENSKY CANCELING #RELIGION.
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>>3904
You posted webm1 twice. 

Man, if kiev dam collapses shit will be so fucked.  That is scarier than destroying potentially some f-16s
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>>3907
Modern problems require simple solutions.
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>>3914
why wasn't the jet pilot disengaging?
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Russian authorities have told the general public to erase all important information that could be remotely used against their own persons from the Telegram app as French authorities have gone all out against the app itself and its founder Pavel Durov, allegedly to obtain undisclosed information from its users for undisclosed reasons, or like David Sacks said "(the US) using allied countries to circumvent First Amendment protections".
Durov was arrested after landing in his private plane on France and so far has been denied consular access alla Assange; has also received several charges that include drug trafficking, CeePee distribution, money laundering, withholding of "special information" and 8 other charges.
Macron has denied any political motivation and instated that France has and will always respect "freedom of expression and communication". Rumors also mention Durov was constantly seen with a gril that has now disappeared from public eye, leading to many think that he fell for "it".

Friendship with Putin is probably now officially ogre. 
Also friendly reminder that malicious pussy can kill even the most powerful of men, only the most spiritually stern can know peace from that evil.
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In Belarus, they began to apply the tactical sign "B" to equipment
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>Also friendly reminder that pussy can kill even the most powerful of men
FTFY. Being gay is truly the only way to get away from the honeytrap menace.
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>>3920
Not falling for that psy-op, rabbi.
We on imageboards know about the real Third Position.
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>>3921
But 2D women don't have pussies you can penetrate.
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>>3920
> Being gay is truly the only way
I don't know about that one but truth be told there's a point in which public positions are so high that any personal venture becomes highly risky
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>>3922
Tell us which number are you.
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>>3917
He should had stayed in Russia and begging Putin to let him protect freedom of speech.
>>3921
Indeed 2D lolis are superior.
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Second week in kurks, slavs still dropping the ball, they saying that third week things have stopped.
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>>3926
>slavs still dropping the ball
they're both slavs you retard rat
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>>3927
>they're both slavs
Ukranians are white!
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Belarus is pulling manpower and heavy weapons and vehicles on Ukrainian border again , new tactical sign 'B' has been spotted painted on the said equipment. Probably nothings gonna happen  again
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>>3929
What are the odds of belarus starting special operations in Ukraine?
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>>3930
Outright? I think close to zero.

Allowing Russia to stage their forces and go Kiev 2.0? Plausable if Russians wanted to open another front, which I think they dont and can't.
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Russians captured  Kalinovo on the Pokrovsky direction
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police fled the city ahead of the Russian Army offensive  
Selidovo near Pokrovsk
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Konstantinovka have been completely captured  reported by Russian bloggers. Big push if true. How did the Russians get to control a whole town in a matter of days all of sudden?
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>>3928
no
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>>3940
Actually, except for Bahmut russians have been steamrolling through cities at ridiculous speeds. Even Mariupol was just 2 months and it had azovstal.
>>3941
Exactly. This is a war between mongoloids.
>>3915
Drone, not jet.
>>3940
Ukraine ran out of Ukrainians to defend with.
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>>3952
definitely not the same backpack
>>3954
>smiling as they are sent to join the slaughterfest
I have a feeling they haven't been following this war as closely as they should have.
>>3940 
>How did the Russians get to control a whole town in a matter of days all of sudden?
Ukraine was busy putting all their eggs in the Kursk basket.

>>3953
>First image
It's not Russia's fault your son volunteered.
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>>3958
>son goes to kill Russians 
>son gets killed by Russians 
>fucking Russians, how dare they
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>>3964
So Israel helped France arresting a guy they didn't like? But /k/unts told me Israel has been nothing but a parasite to the West!
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>>3973
it's crazy how drones have changed warfare, how long until everything is made obsolete, and how long until some proper countermeasure other than nets is developed to counter them?
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>>3974
I guess you didn't notice, that tank was a Bradley
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Apparently, one of the F-16s given to Ukraine recently already crashed. Also, Russians killed the first Ukrainian pilot to have been trained to fly F-16 a day or so back in a missile attack on an airfiled in Ivano-Frankievsk iirc. There are some rumors that Russian goal was to hit the F-16 stationed there, but no aftermath images were posted so the aftermath of the attack is not known.
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DR Pavel Durov is out on bail but isn't allowed to leave France. crashing the plane with no survivors when?
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>>3976

Allegedy another Ukrainian pilot died
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Drones counter measures are making Warhammer 40,000 technology real 
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 power outages in Ukraine
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Russians captured outskirts of Selidovo (video 1) Sinkovka in the Kupyansk sector, Kharkov region  (video 2)
Dzerzhynsk is the Russian name for Toresk?
>>3978
Not gonna lie, moonfish is a pretty sick callsign.
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It's definitely a cool name. I think mooncricket would be cooler though. It has a unique southern twang to it.
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>>3978
>Train pilot for months with your own jet to turn the tide just a little bit
>Shot him down with your own anti-air missile system in the first week of deployment if not first day
Bravo NATO, poor guy got trolled hard
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>>3990
To be honest we cannot be sure it was friendly fire incident. after all it is the official version of ukrainian government which is hardly a honest actor. 
Chronologically first claim was death during russian missile attack on the strip, the next one was death while intercepting missiles, third was friendly fire.
It is possible that they went with this narrative because from certain perspective  it is somehow less awfull than losing a western plane to what is shown as thoughtless niggers with guns fighting with ww2 equipment. 
But in the end, it really does not matter.
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I dont know why but i absolutely love these photos of these shot up mraps
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>Polish MP Kowalski: 

>After today's scandalous statement by Kuleba regarding Volhyn and the revisionist statement about "forced expulsion from Ukrainian territories" in the context of Operation Vistula, this politician should be considered persona non grata in Poland. And immediately asked to leave Poland! It is high time for Poland to put the issue of exhumation of Poles killed in Volhyn by Ukrainians on the knife's edge. The Polish people are honored and do not agree to such treatment of the victims of the genocide committed by the Ukrainians against the Poles in Volhyn and to historical revisionism. Because of RadosΕ‚aw Sikorski's lack of reaction to these scandalous words uttered to Ukrainian diplomacy, Sikorski should be dismissed as Minister today.
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>Founder of Ukrainian Refugee Aid Fund Stole 16 Million Crowns, Czech police has raid his 8 million Crown apartment in Prague and now faces 10 year prison sentence
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Airstrikes were carried out on Kharkov, the target was the Kharkov Armored Plant. The strikes on the plant were recorded.
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>>4000
as a Czech i have met exactly one "normal" Ukrainian refugee since the beginning of the war they are effectively just "white" gypsies at the end of the day
>>4002
aww man i hope none of the cool prototypes got destroyed
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Are there any chances the Ugrop government might splinter if the Russians keep advancing as they are?
Would an Ukrainian civil war benefit NATO somehow, if only for that they might have better chances "subverting" a Russian-aligned "rebel" faction with pre-primed glowniggers as opposed to Russia itself, or would NATO just pull a second Euromaidan out of its AIDS-ridden arse in response to Ukraine signing unfavourable terms of surrender?
They do have lots of Ukrainians in Five Eyes lands as potential targets for indoctrination.
>>3999 (checked)
High time for the Poles to forcibly expel a few Ukrainians from their clay.
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Galitsynovka is reportedly captured by the Russians, Dolinovka is reportedly lost by the Ukrainians. Ukrainian bloggers are reporting a retreat in the southern pocket. Fightimg happening in Ukrainsk and Selidovo
>>4011
>Are there any chances the Ugrop government might splinter if the Russians keep advancing as they are?
At the very least we should except a whole lot of higher ups doing stupid things to avoid being turned into a scapegoat, but I think we will see some arrests and disappearances before someone tries a coup.
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I'm waiting for both government to collapse so Bibi can take over both.
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>>4029
>horses for Nork volunteers and surprisingly good rocket artillery
Doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.
>Patriots save lives
It didn't save that pilot!
>>4031
>Zelensky's plan to force Russia to the negotiation table
He should try inviting them first.
>>4029
>trading military equipment with livestock
We are witnessing an industrial(?) country degenerating into an agricultural one.
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>>4034
That's if this isn't merely a diplomatic gift under more serious exchanges. I wonder if they'll try to make hay from Putin's tendency to give people giant bouquets next.
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Hey, those horses are unvaxed, making them a rare breed indeed.
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Anything important going on in Kursk direction?
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>>4040
You'll know when there is. For now it serves to bleed off Uke resources and make their lower officers question the sanity of their high command.

Anyone got a webm of Espanola Brigade bikers dodging arty shells?
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Vulgar gains, Ukrainians have no logistics left and roads have been cut off by the Russians
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>>3987
two questions
is that a dead woman with the hands in the air?
Why are the MRAPs getting so btfo? Aren't they built to withstand heavy IED?
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>>4041
The fact that the usual media suddenly went quiet on it should say enough.
Entire Ukrainian 2014 defensive line has officially been captured by the Russian forces.
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>>4064
Even Ukrainians admit the casualties are at least 100+ KIA, with number going up to 600 total casulties on some outlets.
Some Swedish guy who was instructing Ukrainian troops also got vaporized.
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>>4077
Ukrainian bloggers to be exact, the government tried to pushed a narrative that nobody has died until it was obvious. I think officially 15 has died according to Ukraine but it is an obvious cover up
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>>4077
Several instructors, apparently.

Another telegram blogger is talking of multiple medical air transports from NATO rolling in.

>>4078
Thought the "official" count was 49, 100 wounded.
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>>4083
cont
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>>4084
>mongoloid kang visits mongolia
Paying respects to your ancestor like a true Asian. Of course such filial piety will be paid in another favor.
>>4084
>does international law mean nothing
No, not really. Never has.
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>>4084
The hissy fit thrown over this visit was incredible. Even if they wanted to, why would the Mongolians pull what amounts to a Bond villain plot while wedged between the Russians and the PRC? Western commentators by-and-large are children.

>>4081
Also, the number has grown:

215 dead, 340 wounded.  That's going to be a sharp hit to the Ukes' comms and electronic warfare sections.
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>>4097
You would think that they would have learned to spread their forces after nearly 3 years of war in which any concentration of troops gets missiled instantly.
>>4083
Why is Gondor in Nip-ASCII-art-symbols-stan?
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>>4099
fighting orcs
>>4045
>is that a dead woman with the hands in the air?
Yeah, hands were in the steering wheel, she's still in rigor mortis from being there for a while
>Aren't they built to withstand heavy IED?
They are new and are still being tested after all

>>4096
Mongolia, the modern population i mean, has usually been ignored all the time by most of the western world associations despite some of its regions being in the same infrastructural conditions as the arid parts of sub-saharan africa, although mainly because it's badland rather than people not working the fields.
I don't think they REALLY need the relief but for commentators to expect their government, who have been usually more close towards Russia than China to begin with, to comply with a spicy western-focused international order is silly if not retarded.
The fact that some people in the streets didn't remember or tried to conceal the fact they didn't knew Mongolia was an actual country nowadays makes me believe most politicians and commentators, who are in the same level of knowledge as college freshmen who got out by doing all the homework in droves rather than actually studying it individually, makes me believe more than usually they are just parroting the usual bullet points against globohomo detractors.
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It is just the pot calling the kettle black. If the United States, Russia, India, China, and Israel are not members of the ICC then it is just baseless propaganda. The only real important question is at what point does Ukraine just lob everything it can fire at Moscow in desperation?
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>>4111
Thats not retarded enough. 
Ukraine wants nato forces in ukraine. Ukraine will attack nato country so that nato will be in their territory.
>>4096
It still means a lot compared to Warsaw Pact and CSTO.
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>>4122
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>The only real important question is at what point does Ukraine just lob everything it can fire at Moscow in desperation?
Soon I'm guessing. Either that or it'll try some desperate tactic to finally drag NATO in.
>>4111
>Ukraine just lob everything it can fire at Moscow in desperation?
But the US have said to not use its long distance weaponry at Russia, so Zelensky won't be getting any more gibs if he does that.
One of the reasons why I believe all this support to Ukraine is fake and gay.
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>One of the reasons why I believe all this support to Ukraine is fake and gay.
It is sort of and is also sort of not. The whole purpose at the start was to either call Russia's bluff or to set up a situation to crush them under Iran/Syria/Cuba/NK kind of sanctions and maybe, just maybe, if all the stars aligned, to depose Putin and break up Russia and put another fat Yelsin in charge.
Then all that fell through.
So now the plan isn't so much for Ukraine to win as to loose as slowly as possible and inflict as much crap on Russia as possible. And Russia for it's part seems totally happy with the slow grind because they can blow up NATO weapons, and occasionally NATO personnel, without risking a hot shooting war with the other nuclear people.

Zelensky hasn't got the message and he thinks he can still win this shit. Either that and he HAS gotten the message and he's trying fervently to either keep it going for as long as possible or to try and create a situation where NATO would have to publicly step in in full force. Also the Poles are still mad at Russia and  they kind of want to get the WWIII thing going too.
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>vid2, 1:17
Jewkraine uses Windows 7 on Apple PCs??
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>>4128
>Also the Poles are still mad at Russia
Are the poles not mad at someone from their long history?
>>4130
Windows 7 is best girl after all.
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But why use an Apple PC then?
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>>4128
>lose as slowly as possible
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Russkies tricked NATO into fighting them into deep battle and attrition warfare, which is the style of warfare they're better at. Might not have been deliberate at first, but it sure is by now. The longer this goes, the worse it gets for Western logistics and supply.

https://archive.is/51Pof Even the NATO thinktanks are quietly cottoning to it.

>Zelensky
Is frantically trying to cause an escalation, because that might be the only hope he has now of winning avoiding a shot in the back from either NATO mercs or Azov.

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