pOrN iS GoOD foR yOu guYZ trUsT mE
In which anons will autistically screech about their masturbation habits. For me, it's been 26 days as of this post, with no nocturnal emissions (that's the challenging part). I used to have a habit of jerking it in controlled routine, once a week just to maintain emotional stability with a modicum of energy. However I have worked on developing a mindset and set of goals that will help manage the energy. Here's what Napoleon Hill has to say about it.
>When driven by this desire, men develop keenness of imagination, courage, will-power, persistence, and creative ability unknown to them at other times. So strong and impelling is the desire for sexual contact that men freely run the risk of life and reputation to indulge it. When harnessed, and redirected along other lines, this motivating force maintains all of its attributes of keenness of imagination, courage, etc., which may be used as powerful creative forces in literature, art, or in any other profession or calling, including, of course, the accumulation of riches
>The transmutation of sex energy calls for the exercise of will-power, to be sure, but the reward is worth the effort. The desire for sexual expression is inborn and natural. The desire cannot, and should not be submerged or eliminated. But it should be given an outlet through forms of expression which enrich the body, mind, and spirit of man. If not given this form of outlet, through transmutation, it will seek outlets through purely physical channels.
>A river may be dammed, and its water controlled for a time, but eventually, it will force an outlet. The same is true of the emotion of sex. It may be submerged and controlled for a time, but its very nature causes it to be ever seeking means of expression. If it is not transmuted into some creative effort it will find a less worthy outlet.
>Fortunate, indeed, is the person who has discovered how to give sex emotion an outlet through some form of creative effort, for he has, by that discovery, lifted himself to the status of a genius.
It's worth noting that sexual abstinence doesn't really work for women. It's the opposite. Women thrive on male sexual energy. For men, sex (of any kind) is a sacrifice of energy, while women receive that energy. this is why male/female sex relations are essentially a competition, and why lesbians are such miserable creatures. Also explains why most gays and trannies always seem really unhealthy. They fry their circuits with unnatural and overly frequent sex.
The reason nofappers react so vehemently to "nofap debunkers" is not that masturbation is wrong or immoral, it's that it's evil to attempt to interfere with any attempt at self discipline. Think of it like alcohol. It's not evil to have a drink, but it would be to show up at an alcoholic's anonymous meeting with an armful of booze and start talking about how uptight teetotallers are. See the difference? It's not the alcohol, or sex, that's wrong, it's just that austerity in both matters is better for one's health, physical, mental, and spiritual.
is there a nofap equivalent for women? what are the effects of them for going a long time without dick?
I haven't really paid much attention to the female side of things to be honest. There also isn't as much material out there really. I don't want to bullshit anyone. I'm a guy, so I have an understanding of male sexual practices, and I'm willing to talk about that. The best I can do to inform you on female sex energy is to point you towards Daoist or maybe Indian sexual energy practices (be prepared for a lot of reading), though even there women's job is seen as more to aid the male.
That said, I suspect it's not as big a deal for typical women as men really. The big issues for women are virginity and pregnancy.
The only people I've seen defend masturbation are people who have a masturbation "addiction" and have a crab in the bucket mentality or shame that they jack off so much like there's harm in abstinence. Semen is mana, your future, testosterone, and the only sign of love that is physical and they just throw it away not to mention it fries your brain over time.
Women who masturbate or take dick have their bodies affected like any addict's, you can see it in their revolting warped faces.
Or the people that have looked at the data, stop making a strawman
What data? How do you quantify the benefits of sexual abstinence for the purpose of an academic report?
Remember, it's not just masturbation that we are talking about, it is male orgasm in general.
The kind showing that testosterone peaks at a week of abstinence and from what i remember it's not even testosterone that you body can use, though take that with a grain of salt as that's taken from my memory.
What i'd like to see are studies showing that abstinence has measurable actual non placebo benefits, if those exist i haven't seen them not saying they don't exist mind you neither i'm advocating for masturbation or anything like that.
most studies on abstinence notice an increase in emotional instability (for lack of a better turn), most likely stemming from lack of sexual release, which is reflected in bouts of anger, sadness, and other mood swings. these are typically viewed as negative traits, and even though that is true, it's an excellent motivator to push that frustration into other areas of your life, like physical fitness. most of these studies just see men that haven't jacked off in a while and are going through withdrawal as a sign that "masturbation good". they probably don't even look at any long-term effects (the only one I can think of is the one linking occasional masturbation to a decreased risk in prostate cancer when you're younger, but I am sure that it's a negligible amount considering that everything causes cancer these days)
It's not just about testosterone. I suggest that instead of waiting for some eggheads to do some flawed, possibly biased study, you participate in Nofap November and see for yourself. I can tell you it is beneficial, but even if you do choose to believe some random neckbeard on the internet, you only know it's beneficial for me specifically. No amount of academic pedantry is worth more than clear empirical evidence you personally observe.
I don't care about data as scientists can be bought like any other authority nor does science have any jurisdiction in spirituality. Masturbating is an empty carnality, and makes people numb and generally feeling shitty on the mental, emotional and physical levels.
>it's an excellent motivator to push that frustration into other areas of your life, like physical fitness.
I get your reasoning, but feels a bit like grasping at straws
>you participate in Nofap November and see for yourself
>I can tell you it is beneficial
Or it could be placebo/confirmation bias, hence why we need many long term studies and not just anecdotes, i started watching anime around the same time i started lifting weights, if i didn't know better i could tell you watching anime made me stronger, does that make any sense? no.
>No amount of academic pedantry is worth more than clear empirical evidence you personally observe.
feels before reels?
>science have any jurisdiction in spirituality
Into the trash it goes
>makes people numb and generally feeling shitty on the mental, emotional and physical levels
<dude trust me
What's so hard about ideological consistency? what if instead of nofap you were telling me about systemic racism, that facts don't matter, you just feel the system is racist so it must be, somehow i doubt you'd accept that explanation if i gave it to you.
>what are the effects of them for going a long time without dick?
Not having beef curtains the size of batwings. It has been years and I am not sure if the No-Nut stuff hasn't been a psy-ops pulled on /pol/ by christfags but with age I have come to the conclusion that what they say is not complete without merit. Here are my 2 cents about the topic:
>masturbation desensitizes the Glans Penis over time
This is nice if you are a sexual beginner(speak young teenager), but it sucks if you are older, because you want a more sensitive Glans Penis as it means stronger orgasms. So too much masturbation can be a detriment in this department.
>a bigger load of semen means more work for your prostate which in return means a more intensive orgasm.
A couple of years back a bunch of anons figured out a combinations of supplements so they can cum like they are the protagonist of an anime. It can be easily found through google these days. I tested it and can vouch that it works BUT it only raised the level of semen to the volume as if I hadn't masturbated for 2-3 weeks. Not masturbating for 3 weeks while on supplements made me the Hulk, but the sex after it was worth it. So if someone cums less, he will cum harder naturally even without taking supplements.
>semen production does require nutrients from the body
The big question if it has an ill health effect on your body and your physical goals depend on your nutrient intake, as semen requires protein, zinc, vitamin C, sodium, cholesterol and vitamin B-12 besides fat and fructose. So is your body getting all the nutrients it needs for your physical goals AND the nutrients it needs to produce semen? If not you can develop a deficit. Also the question is if your body has all the nutrients it needs, does it prioritize semen production over other stuff?
>all types of sex not just masturbation placate and make mellow
This can be a good thing, if you use it to reward your body after you have done all your duties and you have archived a good and successful life. It can also be a bad thing, because aggressiveness can be the deciding factor during many situations in life. If constantly done out of the wrong motives it can become the sexual version of stress eating or eating out of boredom.
>most masturbation is done in bad form
This should be the most important thing to take away for anyone who masturbates on /fit/. Sex is a team sport that requires almost the entire body and masturbation is in a way a training for sex. Yet think about how you and almost everyone else masturbates: They are sitting around almost motionless and only use their hand.
In the long run this means that people who only masturbate this way will train themselves into a bad form for sex, as they forgo all the pelvic thrusting, half squatting and other movements needed for sex. I have experience this myself and it was once of the major reasons that got me into exercising as when I finally had sex with a woman, it was less enjoyable as it could have been because I was so underdeveloped. So I urge people to not be motionless if they are masturbating.
The fact that you are so dubious about this means that your observations are less likely to suffer from placebo effects or confirmation bias. If you have the discipline to keep your expectations out, your data could be very valuable.
>Or it could be placebo/confirmation bias
It's a possibility for some, but training your mind to approach these things without expectation helps to minimize those possibilities. In my case, I think that it's a very low possibility. Although now that I think about it, there is a possibility that the weakness and listlessness that typically occurs during the first 24 hours after a jackoff session may at least partially be placebo. I should look into this next month.
>feels before reels?
No. Don't be stupid. In fact, I would argue that trusting scientists before one's own senses is a case of feels before reels because rather than trusting your own senses to give you primary data, you are instead trusting those same senses to tell you that these other people have discovered through their senses that x, y and z is the truth and you believe them because you associate their profession with truthsaying.
>what if instead of nofap you were telling me about systemic racism, that facts don't matter, you just feel the system is racist so it must be
Systematic racism exists outside of your body. You have to actually go out of your way to discover whether it exists or not. Discovering the pros and cons of nofap is as simple as not touching your peepee for a few weeks and you don't have to worry about the reliability of you researchers or data so much.
I'm a curious guy, i want to see for myself, i've felt out of energy and drive lately, so why not try it out you know, at the very least it should make me not waste as much time.
>I would argue that trusting scientists
In a way, but there are things that you just can't know, you can't learn how your body works on your own, we need science for that, masturbation and its effects is just one of many things science tries to understand about the human body and if i can't trust the scientists then i can't trust anecdotes by anons either.
>Systematic racism exists outside of your body.
Then crystal healing or some new age shit, you get my point, people are too fallible, that's why we need science, not to say at all that the data already there on the issue of masturbation is all we will ever need, on the contrary.
Beat me to it.
Don't watch porn and you won't jerk off, it's that simple. This thread is pathetic. Also you're supposed to jerk off once in a while, its good for your health and clear your mind. The fact that you're unable to stop watching disgusting 3dpd porn means you're a dumb normalnigger less than trash anyway.
If science is so perfect and great why did genius scientists like Tesla or Newton or Edison so obsessed with alchemy and magic? Do you think you're better than them?
It's been a while since i've read something so retarded
Alright my good perverts and puritans! How did we do?
I lasted till the 25th until I failed via wet dream. It definitely did increase my energy and focus and made life in general more enjoyable, although I was very easily distracted by matters of sex. I've been fapping since and it's looking highly likely that the listlessness and weakness I mentioned earlier is not a placebo.
Oh, sorry I didn't see your post earlier.
>masturbation and its effects is just one of many things science tries to understand about the human body and if i can't trust the scientists then i can't trust anecdotes by anons either
I would argue that in some ways anonymous retards are more reliable sources than professional academics. Anon lies for the lulz, but scientists are paid to lie. Geological engineering is notorious for this because they get their paycheck only when they declare the mining operation will not destroy the rainforest. Scientist that lie do so with a dogma that they adhere to strictly whereas shitposters and trolls just say whatever is funny or suits their flavour of the month ideology.
In other words, Anon will serve you a large platter loaded with a variety of lies prepared by many chefs including a communist, a fascist, a libertarian, an FBI agent and a bored 16 year old, along side several half-servings of truth, some schizophrenic ramblings and no shortage of Bane, Sneed, dubs and gorilla warfare. Dishonest scientists will serve you one excellently prepared lie complimented by a generous serving of intentionally flawed studies and garnished with a subtle threat of censorship.
>crystal healing or some new age shit
Honestly, I'd give that a go if I saw enough people I trust saying it works. Obviously it shouldn't work because they're just inert rocks that look pretty, but the world can get pretty weird and there could be something we're missing. The best scientists are occultists and the best occultists are scientists in my opinion.
Still, it's more likely to be an ancient marketing campaign by gem merchants to sell more rocks.
>people are too fallible
Totally disagree. People are fallible, but they are not too fallible. They most certainly can discover truths even when plagued with personal bias and I'm honestly saddened that you would dismiss our species' capabilities so.
Anon does have a point though. If the objective of science is discovering the unknown then what more noble field of research is there than the occult? How can you expect a man as curious as Tesla not to see if magic does indeed real? Never heard of Eddison studying the occult though.
Even without the hypothetical supernatural aspect, alchemy is a good thing for modern scientists to look at if they have the patience. Obviously it can teach you a lot about chemistry and it is also good for psychology of all things. Much like religion, a fuckload of raw projection went into alchemical theory except unlike religion it wasn't tempered by reality and the masses so it can be used to take a snapshot of the alchemist's psyche in all his naked glory.
>Alright my good perverts and puritans! How did we do?
I managed somehow, but i gotta admit i was basically edging by the middle of the month, i spent more time watching porn and being horny than usual, does that mean i was doing it wrong or that i'm better off beating it every once in a while to stay in control? I'm open to the doing it wrong part, but at the same time how long until it's worth it for me? i certainly wasted more time that month than usually, looking at porn and being distracted.
>It definitely did increase my energy and focus and made life in general more enjoyable
I couldn't really tell a difference in that regard.
That's my issue with no fap in general, is it that everyone can benefit from it? or just some people? there's no way to know by just going by the anecdotes of the people that it worked for.
>I would argue that in some ways anonymous retards are more reliable sources than professional academics
To an extent sure, don't get me wrong i know very well how corrupt academia can be, but still, the claims from those anons are things that at best they can believe about themselves, they have no way of knowing if it applies to anyone else if they haven't done any sort of studies, on the part of the scientists i can see the argument that (((they))) want submissive people to control and that masturbation helps them so they'd "encourage" scientists to promote masturbation, but there needs to be some proof for that, or some issues with their studies should be found, it's easy to pick holes in any sociology paper nowadays for example, is it the same with this? maybe, maybe not.
>I'm honestly saddened that you would dismiss our species' capabilities so.
Personal capabilities, not the species overall.
>How can you expect a man as curious as Tesla not to see if magic does indeed real?
You're missing the point, i have no problem with people doing science on seeming nonsense, more than once new discoveries have been made that way, it's his argument that doesn't make any sense, it simply doesn't follow.
>How did we do?
Considering I've been on nofap for almost a year at this point, pretty well. Wet dreams don't count since you don't have conscious control over them, so in my opinion you made it.
I am a bit nervous though, come hue the 7th it will be officially one year since I nutted, and I don't really know where to go from there. Everything pornographic now seems so below me and not worth nutting to (there is an upper limit to how good an orgasm can feel, so once you pass a certain point of not jacking off it's just dead weight), but at the same time it's kind of scary not nutting for this long. Worse yet, the whole reason I stopped in the first place was because my porn interests were getting worse and more degenerate, so I stopped whacking it in the hopes they would go away. Instead, it's just made everything worse and now I'm attracted to even more sick shit, probably my brain looking for anything to latch on to for any semblance of sexual pleasure. I have also edged several times over the year, one time coming dangerously close to ending my streak. Combined with the current meme pandemic and a small friend circle, the odds of finding a womyn/gf to do anything with is basically 0%. If I do jack off to something vanilla or just my imagination, it will feel like a massive waste of the past year. I am at a crossroads and none of the choices are be fun or easy.
>I don't really know where to go from there.
Roll over into the extreme wholesome/handholding/pure love scene.
That's interesting. Perhaps we have a different psychological makeup that means we respond to hormonal fluctuations and our own instincts differently? Evidently, total abstinence does not benefit you. In order to truly get to the bottom of why we react to abstinence differently we'd need to go full normgroid and post a full psychologial and biological profile for comparison or share emails so get to know each other personally. That's not happening.
But I guess I could ask the most obvious questions: Do you work out? Do you think you have an "addictive personality"? Do you think you have any hormonal abnormalities? In my case the answers are "yes", "yes" and "sex hormones seem to be pretty good, but MAJOR depression".
Well I didn't because I did start fapping again after the dream. I don't have any answers for you except that if you're gonna fap, fap to something vanilla and happy rather than your usual "hyperscat", "cheese_grater" and "where_is_your_god_now".
You best be playing, nigga.
Now that i "can" masturbate i actually feel little urge to do it interestingly enough, i have a backlog of smut build up from November that now i barely care to check out.
>Do you work out?
I used to until a should injury kept me form it about 2 years ago, i now do some calisthenics until my shoulder starts hurting again and leave it for a month or two and so on, i'll go to a doctor as soon as i can so i can go back to powerlifting.
>Do you think you have an "addictive personality"?
Not really, i do stick to what i know and like in almost everything i do, i tend not to experiment at all after i found something that works for me, be it videogame or cooking or working out, not sure if that counts.
>Do you think you have any hormonal abnormalities?
Not that i know of, don't know how i would even check myself, i'm quite melancholic, but not really depressed.
i have done it. 365 days of not nutting.
You should've left humanity behind
Well I've done a week now, I don't think I'll go more than a month though, that's crazay.
Put it all in a woman and have babies.
What kind of powers did you develop? I'm doing nofap too and I'm kind of interested in knowing what awaits me. I was just discussing with a dear friend of mine who said I should try levitation before the end of week two. He also said that I should already be able of some light telekinesis but I gave it a shot and no luck, I must be a bit of a slow learner I guess.
Make anime real.
I did my longest no fap for around 54 days. I'm over 30 and ended up cumming during my sleep.
This is not a good idea. You should either be a genuine religious monk or be fucking women. If you are not one of those two, then what the fuck are you doing ? Yes you shouldn't be jerking it too often, but you are no piece of rock, you are a human being with needs and desires, made to spread seed.
The only alternative I see is some brutally taxing physical regimen, where you workout as often as possible or your lifestyle is physically taxing. Mentally taxing stuff helps too, but less as much.
1. go fuck or put your whole effort into physically/mentally exhausting activities
2. Learn better control of your urges, but do not pretend they aren't crucial to your biology.
i did it for a year, after the first few weeks it's not even that hard. wet dreams don't count since you don;t have conscious control over them. the whole idea is to focus your sexual energy back onto yourself either through raw physical fitness or mental improvement like starting a project.
Yeah, you do get used to not doing it, but still you should be fucking women. If you are not, then I have to wonder what the whole point is.
If you are not fucking, then you are doing some sort of monk mode without the spiritual part. A business project, a book, a physical test, a programming task ? It could justify it, but for the most part you can do those without removing sex form your life.
I did it for about 32-33 days and my balls started hurting after 2 or so weeks. when I finally came it was fucking massive but it hurt more than it felt good and that was for subsequent faps too, it took me about a week of cumming regularly before it stopped hurting. my guess is that cum was drying up in my sack or some shit and so it was clogging everything up. I have no clue how people say it's beneficial, if anything it's probably dangerous for the health of your balls and prostate. like anon said, like with ANYTHING there's nothing wrong with fapping as long as you don't overindulge and do it several times a day.
Yes you are cringe.
>I did my longest no fap for around 54 days.
I feel like I'm the only one in this board who has never masturbated in his entire life.
I initially read this thread under the assumption /fit/izens were abstaining from actual sex not just an orgasm by any means. Are there any cunts out there in the world worth fucking and if not how can men use our sexual energy to bend said unworthy cunts to be shaped into something useful?