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In which anons will autistically screech about their masturbation habits. For me, it's been 26 days as of this post, with no nocturnal emissions (that's the challenging part). I used to have a habit of jerking it in controlled routine, once a week just to maintain emotional stability with a modicum of energy. However I have worked on developing a mindset and set of goals that will help manage the energy. Here's what Napoleon Hill has to say about it.
>When driven by this desire, men develop keenness of imagination, courage, will-power, persistence, and creative ability unknown to them at other times. So strong and impelling is the desire for sexual contact that men freely run the risk of life and reputation to indulge it. When harnessed, and redirected along other lines, this motivating force maintains all of its attributes of keenness of imagination, courage, etc., which may be used as powerful creative forces in literature, art, or in any other profession or calling, including, of course, the accumulation of riches
>The transmutation of sex energy calls for the exercise of will-power, to be sure, but the reward is worth the effort. The desire for sexual expression is inborn and natural. The desire cannot, and should not be submerged or eliminated. But it should be given an outlet through forms of expression which enrich the body, mind, and spirit of man. If not given this form of outlet, through transmutation, it will seek outlets through purely physical channels.
>A river may be dammed, and its water controlled for a time, but eventually, it will force an outlet. The same is true of the emotion of sex. It may be submerged and controlled for a time, but its very nature causes it to be ever seeking means of expression. If it is not transmuted into some creative effort it will find a less worthy outlet.
>Fortunate, indeed, is the person who has discovered how to give sex emotion an outlet through some form of creative effort, for he has, by that discovery, lifted himself to the status of a genius.
It's worth noting that sexual abstinence doesn't really work for women. It's the opposite. Women thrive on male sexual energy. For men, sex (of any kind) is a sacrifice of energy, while women receive that energy. this is why male/female sex relations are essentially a competition, and why lesbians are such miserable creatures. Also explains why most gays and trannies always seem really unhealthy. They fry their circuits with unnatural and overly frequent sex. 
The reason nofappers react so vehemently to "nofap debunkers" is not that masturbation is wrong or immoral, it's that it's evil to attempt to interfere with any attempt at self discipline. Think of it like alcohol. It's not evil to have a drink, but it would be to show up at an alcoholic's anonymous meeting with an armful of booze and start talking about how uptight teetotallers are. See the difference? It's not the alcohol, or sex, that's wrong, it's just that austerity in both matters is better for one's health, physical, mental, and spiritual.
is there a nofap equivalent for women? what are the effects of them for going a long time without dick?
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I haven't really paid much attention to the female side of things to be honest. There also isn't as much material out there really. I don't want to bullshit anyone. I'm a guy, so I have an understanding of male sexual practices, and I'm willing to talk about that. The best I can do to inform you on female sex energy is to point you towards Daoist or maybe Indian sexual energy practices (be prepared for a lot of reading), though even there women's job is seen as more to aid the male.
That said, I suspect it's not as big a deal for typical women as men really. The big issues for women are virginity and pregnancy.
The only people I've seen defend masturbation are people who have a masturbation "addiction" and have a crab in the bucket mentality or shame that they jack off so much like there's harm in abstinence. Semen is mana, your future, testosterone, and the only sign of love that is physical and they just throw it away not to mention it fries your brain over time.
Women who masturbate or take dick have their bodies affected like any addict's, you can see it in their revolting warped faces.
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Or the people that have looked at the data, stop making a strawman
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What data? How do you quantify the benefits of sexual abstinence for the purpose of an academic report?
Remember, it's not just masturbation that we are talking about, it is male orgasm in general.
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>What data?
The kind showing that testosterone peaks at a week of abstinence and from what i remember it's not even testosterone that you body can use, though take that with a grain of salt as that's taken from my memory.
What i'd like to see are studies showing that abstinence has measurable actual non placebo benefits, if those exist i haven't seen them not saying they don't exist mind you neither i'm advocating for masturbation or anything like that.
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most studies on abstinence notice an increase in emotional instability (for lack of a better turn), most likely stemming from lack of sexual release, which is reflected in bouts of anger, sadness, and other mood swings. these are typically viewed as negative traits, and even though that is true, it's an excellent motivator to push that frustration into other areas of your life, like physical fitness. most of these studies just see men that haven't jacked off in a while and are going through withdrawal as a sign that "masturbation good". they probably don't even look at any long-term effects (the only one I can think of is the one linking occasional masturbation to a decreased risk in prostate cancer when you're younger, but I am sure that it's a negligible amount considering that everything causes cancer these days)
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It's not just about testosterone. I suggest that instead of waiting for some eggheads to do some flawed, possibly biased study, you participate in Nofap November and see for yourself. I can tell you it is beneficial, but even if you do choose to believe some random neckbeard on the internet, you only know it's beneficial for me specifically. No amount of academic pedantry is worth more than clear empirical evidence you personally observe.
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I don't care about data as scientists can be bought like any other authority nor does science have any jurisdiction in spirituality. Masturbating is an empty carnality, and makes people numb and generally feeling shitty on the mental, emotional and physical levels.
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>it's an excellent motivator to push that frustration into other areas of your life, like physical fitness.
I get your reasoning, but feels a bit like grasping at straws
>you participate in Nofap November and see for yourself
On it
>I can tell you it is beneficial
Or it could be placebo/confirmation bias, hence why we need many long term studies and not just anecdotes, i started watching anime around the same time i started lifting weights, if i didn't know better i could tell you watching anime made me stronger, does that make any sense? no.
>No amount of academic pedantry is worth more than clear empirical evidence you personally observe.
feels before reels?
>science have any jurisdiction in spirituality
Into the trash it goes
>makes people numb and generally feeling shitty on the mental, emotional and physical levels
<dude trust me

What's so hard about ideological consistency? what if instead of nofap you were telling me about systemic racism, that facts don't matter, you just feel the system is racist so it must be, somehow i doubt you'd accept that explanation if i gave it to you.
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>what are the effects of them for going a long time without dick?
Not having beef curtains the size of batwings. It has been years and I am not sure if the No-Nut stuff hasn't been a psy-ops pulled on /pol/ by christfags but with age I have come to the conclusion that what they say is not complete without merit. Here are my 2 cents about the topic:

>masturbation desensitizes the Glans Penis over time
This is nice if you are a sexual beginner(speak young teenager), but it sucks if you are older, because you want a more sensitive Glans Penis as it means stronger orgasms. So too much masturbation can be a detriment in this department. 

>a bigger load of semen means more work for your prostate which in return means a more intensive orgasm.
A couple of years back a bunch of anons figured out a combinations of supplements so they can cum like they are the protagonist of an anime. It can be easily found through google these days. I tested it and can vouch that it works BUT it only raised the level of semen to the volume as if I hadn't masturbated for 2-3 weeks. Not masturbating for 3 weeks while on supplements made me the Hulk, but the sex after it was worth it. So if someone cums less, he will cum harder naturally even without taking supplements. 

>semen production does require nutrients from the body
The big question if it has an ill health effect on your body and your physical goals depend on your nutrient intake, as semen requires protein, zinc, vitamin C, sodium, cholesterol and vitamin B-12 besides fat and fructose. So is your body getting all the nutrients it needs for your physical goals AND the nutrients it needs to produce semen? If not you can develop a deficit. Also the question is if your body has all the nutrients it needs, does it prioritize semen production over other stuff?

>all types of sex not just masturbation placate and make mellow 
This can be a good thing, if you use it to reward your body after you have done all your duties and you have archived a good and successful life. It can also be a bad thing, because aggressiveness can be the deciding factor during many situations in life. If constantly done out of the wrong motives it can become the sexual version of stress eating or eating out of boredom.

>most masturbation is done in bad form
This should be the most important thing to take away for anyone who masturbates on /fit/. Sex is a team sport that requires almost the entire body and masturbation is in a way a training for sex. Yet think about how you and almost everyone else masturbates: They are sitting around almost motionless and only use their hand. 
In the long run this means that people who only masturbate this way will train themselves into a bad form for sex, as they forgo all the pelvic thrusting, half squatting and other movements needed for sex. I have experience this myself and it was once of the major reasons that got me into exercising as when I finally had sex with a woman, it was less enjoyable as it could have been because I was so underdeveloped. So I urge people to not be motionless if they are masturbating.
>On it
The fact that you are so dubious about this means that your observations are less likely to suffer from placebo effects or confirmation bias. If you have the discipline to keep your expectations out, your data could be very valuable.

>Or it could be placebo/confirmation bias
It's a possibility for some, but training your mind to approach these things without expectation helps to minimize those possibilities. In my case, I think that it's a very low possibility. Although now that I think about it, there is a possibility that the weakness and listlessness that typically occurs during the first 24 hours after a jackoff session may at least partially be placebo. I should look into this next month.

>feels before reels?
No. Don't be stupid. In fact, I would argue that trusting scientists before one's own senses is a case of feels before reels because rather than trusting your own senses to give you primary data, you are instead trusting those same senses to tell you that these other people have discovered through their senses that x, y and z is the truth and you believe them because you associate their profession with truthsaying.

>what if instead of nofap you were telling me about systemic racism, that facts don't matter, you just feel the system is racist so it must be
Systematic racism exists outside of your body. You have to actually go out of your way to discover whether it exists or not. Discovering the pros and cons of nofap is as simple as not touching your peepee for a few weeks and you don't have to worry about the reliability of you researchers or data so much.
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I'm a curious guy, i want to see for myself, i've felt out of energy and drive lately, so why not try it out you know, at the very least it should make me not waste as much time.
>I would argue that trusting scientists
In a way, but there are things that you just can't know, you can't learn how your body works on your own, we need science for that, masturbation and its effects is just one of many things science tries to understand about the human body and if i can't trust the scientists then i can't trust anecdotes by anons either.
>Systematic racism exists outside of your body.
Then crystal healing or some new age shit, you get my point, people are too fallible, that's why we need science, not to say at all that the data already there on the issue of masturbation is all we will ever need, on the contrary.
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Beat me to it.
Don't watch porn and you won't jerk off, it's that simple. This thread is pathetic. Also you're supposed to jerk off once in a while, its good for your health and clear your mind. The fact that you're unable to stop watching disgusting 3dpd porn means you're a dumb normalnigger less than trash anyway.
If science is so perfect and great why did genius scientists like Tesla or Newton or Edison so obsessed with alchemy and magic? Do you think you're better than them?
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It's been a while since i've read something so retarded

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