/fascist/ - Surf The Kali Yuga

This should be moved to the WW3 thread, honestly.

>>9763
If the mod believes so, he may do it. Or I'll just repost it there & he can delete this.

In the mean time, commentators have noted that the jews are targeting Persian forces most loyal to the government rather than the conscript army. The obvious conclusion being that they're trying to weaken the Ayatola's support network in Iran. This is a very cunning plan and I wish that Germany had engaged in this plan in WW2. Imagine if, in addition to necessary force to defeat the Russian army, they had gone all out on assassinating Stalinists in the USSR. or, better yet, assassinating Churchill supporters in the UK, the actual primary enemy of Germany.
That would have been very effective.
This should be done by every anti-globohomo government.

>>9765
>If the mod believes so, he may do it. Or I'll just repost it there & he can delete this.
Yeah, fair enough. Carry on.

>This is a very cunning plan and I wish that Germany had engaged in this plan in WW2. Imagine if, in addition to necessary force to defeat the Russian army, they had gone all out on assassinating Stalinists in the USSR. or, better yet, assassinating Churchill supporters in the UK, the actual primary enemy of Germany.
>That would have been very effective.
>This should be done by every anti-globohomo government.
Definitely writing this down  in the ol' playbook.

>>9763
It's a bit more specific tbh and focuses on intelligence, OPSEC and infiltration.

>>9765
Have you considered the possibility that Stalin was out of reach? That the only way to reach Moscow was to mow down all the Russian forces that stood in the way?
Same with England, how do you think Germany could have hit Churchill's cabinet? What was needed was to have a real anti-UK plan by using Mosley and trying to worm a way through the politicians a general and decapitate them in one fell swoop by providing support, money and as many weapons as possible. Germany was way too soft with England. But that was Germany's issue overall, too German-centric to the point of not having any real plan for Eastern Europe either aside from let's invade and suppor them at the very last moment.

>>9773
>how do you think Germany could have hit Churchill's cabinet?
So, first off, Hitler should have executed Wilhelm Canaris, who was the chief of German foreign intelligence and working to overthrow Hitler. I think he was involved in one of the plots to kill him.
I admit secondly that I'm not as deeply familiar with the inner workings of the Churchill regime as the Germans were in 1940 (or at least, should have been)
However, if I were chief of the Abwehr, I would have spent a considerable deal of effort tracking the locations of key figures in his government. 
Now, assassinating them would be ideal but two factors make it difficult. The first is that Hitler was a real old school, chivalrous fellow and you just know that if you proposed assassinating Churchill, Hitler would come up with reasons not to. But if he could be reasoned with, I'm sure many undercover assassinations could have been put together to make it look like an accident. Just like the assassination of Patton, maybe Churchill's allies could be run over by cars or poisoned or even shot down as they traveled around. 
Basically, Germany should have invested way more into intelligence and counter intelligence than they did. 
As you suggest, Hitler should have put WAY more into funding Mosely and also into funding counter-communist forces in the USSR, before and after 1941. 

Lastly, if I were Hitler, or at least had his ear, I'd urge him to do what the Allies did to Napoleon: Don't declare war on France or the UK or the USSR. Declare war on the governments and go out of your way to be seen as a liberator.
With France, it doesn't matter overly much but, if I may Ryan Faulk this and change one aspect of Hitler's character but leave everything else intact, here is how I would have conducted the war.

>1939, issue orders to Danzig NSDAP to stage massive protest for referendum on joining Germany (I absolutely HATE how Hitler didn't do this IRL. It would have been extremely easy to do as support for the NSDAP in Danzig was at 90%)
>Sept. 1939, Invade Poland. 
It is possible that Hitler could have aligned with the National Radical Camp. Not sure what concessions he would need to make but I'm presuming that Hitler absolutely would need to annex former Imperial German borders, so the NRC might have been intransigent. If so, we would make no change in the timeline because, (I presume) Hitler would go through with the Ribbentrop pact and for a variety of geopolitical reasons, Poland would need to be occupied rather than liberated. 
>1940, Denmark & Norway conquered and liberated. Lean slightly harder on pro-NS governments.
>France relatively the same except that pre-1939, we have invested heavily into pro-fascist political factions in France. Petain is given an ultimatum: 
>We will annex Alsace Lorraine & Italy gets Tunisia, or you declare war on the UK.
Beyond this, we expect nothing of him since French forces are unreliable.
>Franco given Morocco (srry france :C ) & German aid to DOW on the UK.
>Portugal promised and threatened into DOWing UK. 
The UK might land an invasion force there. That is not a bad thing though. Even if the absolute WORST disaster happens there, the Pyrenees acts as an Alps so Germany/France are safe. Besides, I suspect that the Wehrmacht would win anyway.
>Germany pressures France into liberating Syria & German assets are sent to create the Arab Nationalist Republic. 
>Iraq joins. 
We now have another theater for the UK to bog down in. Will the Arabs perform well? Nope. But they will fight.
>ITALY TIME! 
>Italy invades Greece & gets BTFO'd
>Balkans Theater happens roughly as IRL. Africa happens roughly as IRL but with the UK now fighting in Syria & Iraq & possibly also Iran
We could then try the Ryan Faulk think with Turkey. But the USSR would absolutely realize the threat & react.
>Battle of Britain
>Priority targets are whatever factions are most loyal to Churchill + the airforce + industry.
Not sure if this would be enough.
>Hitler openly calls for United Ireland, lands serious forces in Ireland. 
The UK will not allow this to happen & will be forced to invade Ireland. Once again, painting them as the enemy of small nations
BTW: no alliance with Japan. It was a stupid alliance and the Japanese were pricks. This would align with Alt-Hitler's character since the Japanese were blustering imperialists and Hitler will prioritize French feelings over the literally zero support the Japanese could possibly give Germany. This allows Hitler the freedom to oppose Japanese occupation of Indo-China & aligns Hitler with American foreign policy in the region.
>It's june 1941 time.
>Op Barbarossa happens as IRL. Except that the Ukrainian national state is heavily invested in. Germans proclaim themselves as liberators with no territorial designs on Russian land. 
German spies have been operating in Russia for years now. Let's use this information to target Stalin's powerbase. 
>Lean heavily on removing Stalin and creating a Nationalist Russian Republic. 
>Japan attacks Pearl Harbor
>Don't DOW
>ffs, do not DOW. It gains us absolutely nothing
>If America DOWs us, fine. Our job is to win our war in Russia, not make it easy for American propagandists.
>recognize whatever kind of Russian government opposes Stalin. 
If none do, switch rails and appeal to Chechnyans, Kozaks, Armenians, and Balts. 
>Promise them everything

Now we have only to wear down the UK & possibly America. At the very worst case scenario, the UK & Stalin now have to be a bit more paranoid about their populations. At best, Stalin is overthrown and the UK ends up looking like they want to occupy the world. The US would find it less palatable to aid the UK whilst they occupied Ireland, nevermind the resistance they'd face in Ireland, Iberia, & the middle east.

Hitler was not impressed by nukes so, unless that also changes, Hamburg might be nuked. Or maybe the plane is shot down. Either way, we still win. Actually air defenses might preclude nuclear attacks altogether except in France, which is good for us anyway since that just makes America look like a monster.

>>9774
>Lastly, if I were Hitler, or at least had his ear, I'd urge him to do what the Allies did to Napoleon: Don't declare war on France or the UK or the USSR. Declare war on the governments and go out of your way to be seen as a liberator.
That would not be enough and the governments in question would quickly produce a propaganda that would blur any possible difference between attacking the nation from attacking the government.
Germany would also need to have at least two major newspapers to support that ideology to counter the government's message but soon enough these papers could have been shut down. Without investing in a CIA-like insurgency it would have been pointless.
Germany could have played the modern realpolitik and not act in her name but use proxies. For one, train and arm Germans in Northern Poland, around Danzig. Do the same in Czechoslovakia. At least the German minorities could bite back. Then as you said, in the meantime fuel the desire for a popular vote to be tied to Germany. Start a transparent exchange program on economics and culture. Include non-Germans too living close to the areas of interest to soften them. This would have avoided any official participation in war. It would however require, once again, an intelligence apparatus that would be sufficiently implanted to enmesh itself into the targeted population and capable of producing enough local underground propaganda to maintain its legitimacy against their respective governments' authority.
I think Hitler thought that England would come to her senses, which is very naive. I don't explain how they could produce such a harsh propaganda about Jews holding the USA, Canada and England, and think that this grip would suddenly evaporate.
>Beyond this, we expect nothing of him since French forces are unreliable.
Last I heard, the ((( resistance ))) worked so well because a lot of French soldiers went fighting for Germany far away from their homeland. The French army was operating along very outdated war principles of mixed units to the point that the best assets were underoperated so that the weakest elements could keep up. But even on Germany's side, the Blitzkrieg was one huge bet that wasn't very popular among the generals. If it had not been validated the struggle would have likely been bogged down into a rehearsal of 1917. The partitioning of France would still be a priority. I'm not sure how much France could have been forced to attack England when her forces were not sufficient to hold her own territory and her navy was being bombed by England. See the Attack on Mers-el-Kébir  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir
To me the worst part was Spain trying to play neutral in this and barely paying lip service in the war against Communism while trying to remain friendly to America. Franco really was a bad ally.

>>9785
>train and arm Germans in Northern Poland, around Danzig. Do the same in Czechoslovakia. At least the German minorities could bite back. Then as you said, in the meantime fuel the desire for a popular vote to be tied to Germany
I'm making the assumption that Alt-Hitler is locked in on annexation of north-western Poland.
Actually, you raise a good idea. A few German rebel groups would give a good excuse to invade. Poles would retaliate, Hitler would be outraged and publish the atrocities in every newspaper, and intervene. Combine this with a referendum and most Brits would question why they need to support a Polish dictatorship against a democratic election.
WW2 postponed. 
> I don't explain how they could produce such a harsh propaganda about Jews holding the USA, Canada and England, and think that this grip would suddenly evaporate.
This was Hitler's greatest failing. He knew about the jews. Yet he usually failed to treat countries as jewish tools but fought the countries themselves. Obviously, I'm not chiding him for bombing Russians or British cities. But look at how the Israelis are taking Iran apart. Imagine that the Ayatollah and his clique were jews. The real jews are targeting him and his supporters in much the same way that Earl Turner and the Organization targeted jews and their supporters in the Diaries. There's a chapter where they discuss robbing convenience stores and this is denied because the organization must direct its efforts against the enemy. 

>Franco really was a bad ally.
100% true. He owed his existence to Hitler and never returned the favor. They could have liberated Gibraltar. AND, if Franco had accomplished this, Spaniards would have adored him. 
Taking Gibraltar would have severely weakened the enemy's position in the Mediterranean, possibly allowing Rommel to liberate Egypt. 
In our scenario, Alt-Hitler just incorporates Egypt into the Arab Republic, and races to assist the Iraqis against the British. Kuwait is annexed to Iraq and now Turkey will be surrounded by Axis nations. They would likely be more open to joining. 

After the war, Germany could betray the Arab states if he wished to. Once you win, you can do what you like. But winning is everything.