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This may be uncomfortable for some people.
I do not see many reasons to expect that a complete fascist victory ends in a Man of the High Castle type society in the long term. I've often pondered what an isolated fascist nation would be like and concluded that, without the threat of impending attack, it would be pretty chill and folkish. 

Many fascists are righteously furious at what is being done to us by the jews. In the context of a world ruled almost entirely by genocidal jewish oligarchs, it is natural and good that fascists are militant.
What would a fascist nation look like? At first, no doubt it would be militant, armed, and prepared to wage nuclear war to survive. But what would a fascist nation post-victory look like?
Many imagine military marches everywhere, all the time, everyone in the military, the military is central to the thoughts and minds of all. Uniforms, guns, Panzers, and a dictator in a uniform who wears lots of medals and accolades. Some even say it'll be like Warhammer 40k, which is pretty cringe in my opinion.

I don't believe this is realistic or desirable: 
1. Jews are not going to hand us power. We will need to take it by force. This means that, by the end of a potentially 50 year struggle, much of the wealth of my country and many other White nations will be destroyed. Running a militarized state is extremely expensive as an army is essentially dead weight and the more men you remove from society, the less productive your economy will be. I am all for prioritizing culture over GDP, but this doesn't exactly create culture either. Therefore, once all enemies are defeated, there will be a strong impetus for the new fascist government to demobilize and get men back into the new economy. 

2. The only justification for maintaining a huge army post Revolution will be enemies. Say that the jews are dead and we Ethno-globe the niggers and Asians. Now what? We could turn on each other and wipe out life, if that is indeed our goal. But it isn't mine and I doubt that most White nationalists want to prove the jews right by immediately turning on each other the second they're gone. Combating communism will be extremely easy without jews and mass media run by jews. Communism has no appeal to anyone, especially working class White men. It exists solely because of mass media and jews, and even so, marxists are just anti-racist liberals these days, not genuine economic marxists. Even if there was some ideological foe we had to combat, doing so would not require uniforms and tanks, but social media and surveillance technology.

Once the enemy is gone, what is the objective? For me, I just want to live in a community that is not being flooded with niggers. I'd also like to celebrate and grow Anglo-Germanic culture in America again, as capitalism smothered our natural development and made us vulnerable to jewish subversion. Folk culture has been wiped out for most western nations and I would like to try again as if the past 300 years didn't happen. Obviously, I'm not overly concerned with making sure America creates a global empire. Perhaps others are more interested in this. To them I would ask: Yes, but why? What is the long term purpose? Is it spreading our currently non-existent culture? Is it populating the world with "Americans?" What if your own people do not want this? Who are you doing this for?

What would the government be like? 
Obviously, many would like a totalitarian dictatorship no judgement passed. I'll take a White dictator over a jewish democrat any day That works well in times of war but isn't as effective in times of peace. People throughout history favor more localized rule. Once the enemy is destroyed, there is no more justification for a military state. Perhaps the initial Revolutionaries would attempt to set up a dictatorship that would last forever. The problem is that dictatorships are very bad at lasting forever. A monarchy would work better, but also seems very LARPy. Even if a single-party state or a monarchy was established, each death would weaken the grip of the ruling regime and gradually, it would inevitably become more pluralistic. If that offends you, consider what happens when a Great Leader dies. No one man can fill his boots so at the very worst, an oligarchy is established. Presto, you just reduced the dictatorship to an agreement of oligarchs, an embryonic democracy. Keep eating away at the power structure and eventually, you either get a bunch of tiny oligarchies or you just get a democraty-republicy type of government.
Or, perhaps, you could design the system to break up into a bloody civil war every time the leader died, but this goes back to point 2. I am not interested in creating a hellscape that makes people wish for the jews back. 
If you really want to help out marxism, you would want to create a fascist dictatorship designed to appear to oppress the people so that the people would gravitate towards any alternative, even if that is marxism. And eventually, people like us would push back against the system and eventually talk about what I am talking about: Revolution. Maybe they would be crushed. But eventually, if the people feel no loyalty to the system, it will collapse. That's what we are trying to do to the jews.
If you design a system to break apart into a civil war every 30 years, you also guarantee that your system is replaced by a more reasonable one. No one wants to live like that.
I'd like fascism to last 1,000 years after the jews are defeated. I do not want it to fall apart into civil war and counter-revolution upon my death.
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>>8827 (OP) 
>A fully realized fascist nation: What would it look like?
Easy peasy. Just read history of Germany during the Hitler years.
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>>8828
Germany didn't get a chance to flourish. Hitler said that he wished that he didn't have to fight so he could focus on revitalizing Germany. If Germany has been allowed to exist on its own, I suspect that it would have been very different to the 11 short years they had.
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>>8830
>Germany didn't get a chance to flourish. Hitler said that he wished that he didn't have to fight so he could focus on revitalizing Germany. If Germany has been allowed to exist on its own, I suspect that it would have been very different to the 11 short years they had.
And even then, in those short 11 years Germany became truly amazing. Safe cities. Clean streets. Beautiful buildings. Robust industry. Mighty armies. Powerful national spirit. A sense of hope and community. People who were truly proud to call themselves German. All the more remarkable because Weimar Germany was an absolute hellhole, little different from the average nigger-led African country. What he "only" managed to achieve in "merely" a decade and change is truly impressive. Do you understand what I'm saying here?

Imagine then, if this is what could be done in one country after freeing it from jewish control after 11 years, what we ourselves could do with a judenfrei world. This honestly is the best evidence that our struggle is anything but hopeless, that we certainly can achieve great things and in a timely fashion too. Anyone who tells you it'll take the better part of a century to make so much as an incremental improvement is a retard or (more likely) a malicious demoralizer.
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>>8831
I understand what you're saying. I agree that once the jews are gone (from the entire planet), things would not take too long to improve. However, Hitler didn't need to seize power by military force and Germany was not as deep in the grip of jews as America is. So I expect the struggle to remove them to be blood and lengthy. Given the vast resources of the enemy in both money and brainwashed lemmings, it'll be impossible to overthrow them in a clean revolution. This doesn't make me a blackpiller, this makes me a realist. 
Regardless of the cost, it is a cost worth paying if it secures the future of our people.
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>>8837
Do you think your children will thank you for raising them for the sake of a blood feud of which won't be won for  generations?
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>>8830
Bizarre numbers are all over the place when it comes to the NSDAP years.

>>8831
>All the more remarkable because Weimar Germany was an absolute hellhole, little different from the average nigger-led African country.
Nah, it was poorf, kiked and degen, but they didn't have a racial problem like we do today.
>>8838
I don't think they wil thank me for selling out their future for my own wealth and comfort. Also,

>for  generations
Quit being a blackpilling faggot. This struggle can be won in a single generation. It is undeniable.
>>8838
I didn't initiate this feud. Jews did.
They could have just left us alone and they wouldn't be hated.
>>8831
New revolutionary governments are like this. They impliment popular reform, get rid of rampant corruption, and are a return to prosperty.... For about 5-10 years.
After that period, if the deep systemic, cultural, and divisive issues are not solved, the optimisim will fade and the new goverment will soon resemble the old. Being new in name only, as maladies ignored as a transitionary become a perment fixture.
His plans did however revolve around resolving said issue with social upheaval and complete destruction of the old establishment. Rather than the usual social stagnation and blending with the establishment.
How ever his plans weren't unique, only more recent than his peers, Lenin, Napoleon, Washington, etc. And yet they failed too, being replaced with the same conservatism they sought to destroy.
Which does reveal the crux of why he would have failed even without intervention, save for being a hundred years later. Systems do not fall for hate, nor do they last with love. They last when change would destroy the value it seeks to capture.
In conservatisms case, it is a throughly effective system in looting a docile populice, and will effectively steal far more wealth for any prospective revolutionaries for them to consider staying true and rejecting it.
I don't think fascism is a deterent against this, as it seeks to build wealth through the seziure of primary goods and the building of industry.  Which are both extremely easy to loot and would almost certainly beget conservatism.

In short, Fascism is great at generating real wealth but lacks the perverse incentives that perpetuate stable systems of organized looting.
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>>8848
What if we get rid of the Jews though?
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>>8848
Grug version?
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>>8852
Retarded sophistry that ignores the role of the jews and shabbos goyim in the decay of White nations. The cycle of empires is a meme concept anyways. The post here >>8850 is what you should pay attention to.
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