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>>4811 (OP) 
It would not be an all or nothing issue. There would be a percentage who defect, and the browner and more foreign the army becomes, the smaller that percentage.

It is also somewhat of a paradox to say "the military would rebel". If a portion of the US military forms a rebellion, they are no longer the US military. They are rebels.

>>4813
Alright but if a brigade of the US military became rebels, it would be completely reasonable to say that they rebelled or revolted.

>>4811 (OP) 
A foreign army such as the UN or some other countries soldiers would be brought in. Domestic armies are rarely used to suppress their own people for any length of time. Even for large police maneuvers during riots, police are often brought in from other areas. People will always side with their own flesh and blood when it comes down to it. The COVID debacle was ultimately unsuccessful in the end. Kamala may steal the election and none of the military will revolt, but that does not mean that those people will also turn their guns on American citizens en masse if ordered to do so. Both of your considerations can be essentially true simultaneously. Conservatives’ belief that the military will splinter and save them in a civil war is a pipe dream. Even in such a scenario, a win is far from guaranteed. They want a savior to pin their hopes on like Jesus so they don’t have to take personal responsibility and soberly consider the real reality they made lose badly.

No civil war, only Race war. If globohomo starts it, they will ship a billion niggers to zerg rush America. If a human starts it, ports (including airports, so the kikes can't escape) should be closed and positions should be taken to snipe and mortar the niggerboats. We would have to shrink our Southern border by annexing mexico and expanding America to Panama. Those maneuvers should keep enemy reinforcements from being received. The cleansing of America would start in Canada and move South, but it would be hugely important to get control of the coasts as well. Many nigger and beaner women and children will flee West then South after there's no more welfare to collect, and women and children are a waste of bullets in any war. This will leave only the males for us to fight, cutting the brown population in half, since the brown women are here as vote cattle for the kikes. We need to create a one-way evacuation route for the browns so they can leave but can't come back. Also, we need to seal off the cities so nigger-lovers can't give them supplies. But we will also have cuck tunnels so the niggers can retreat. White women and children will be evacuated North.

Remember: the enemy's only advantages are numbers and democracy. If those advantages are neutralized, we will either win or reach stalemate. Holding the browns off at a stalemate is good enough because it will buy us time to raise the next generation of racist youths free to grow as strong as we can make them. Hitler and Friends provided their Nation with 12 years of freedom, I'm sure we can do even better with our geography. America is the reason the National Socialists lost, but this time America will be National Socialist. And at some point of holding niggers off, we have to send submarines to help our Aryan cousins across the world. I just love thinking about how the diversity hires are going to fail at submarine warfare.

Also, I don't think waiting and spawning as many kids as possible will work. Those kids will grow up stunted under the kike occupation. We need 20 years of kike-and-shitskin-free America, yesterday.

>>4815
This is a fair point. Though I will admit the thought of the regime using the UN fills me with glee. The UN is mostly non-White soldiers & their military record, discipline, & coordination is abysmal.
If they use the UN, we might actually be able to win.
That said, the Troubles saw the deployment of the British army to suppress the insurgents. Now, you can argue that Irish =/= English. Fair enough. But the regime is very good at deracinating people and even if they do not, the military is increasingly non-White.
Now, you can retort that non-Whites will be less effective than White soldiers. I agree. However, that's, say, 20% less effective on top of the most overwhelming firepower on earth.
I used to be very gung ho about insurgency but I have recently been rethinking the logistics of it.

>>4817
I admire your confidence in our abilities to wage war and I also agree with your totalistic approach. It's the Piercian way. That said, we lack the forces to do any of that at present. Even the Viet Cong lacked the strength to close down all airports and ports in Vietnam. They had far greater public support and numbers than we do. Furthermore, there are more airports in the US than Vietnam by a factor of 10, at least. To do that consistently would require millions of men, regimented and resolute.

Unfortunately, we have a serious character problem among White people. Those few of us with the mind and the soul to see the problem are still affected by cowardice or impulsiveness. Simply put, Americans are not cut out to be insurgents. This can change but it may take decades.

I have done some very rough math based on data from Northern Ireland.
Given the population of the US & the size of its military (assuming they are deployed to counter White revolutionaries), we could expect to suffer 38,000 casualties not accounting for wounded/captured.
This assumes equal levels of competence with the IRA and equal levels of commitment and intensity. But we must also take into account the fact that they didn't win outright. So presumably one would need far greater intensity to turn an insurgency into a revolution. This requires serious manpower.
What percentage of White men are willing and capable of doing this? If we expect the lowest realistic casualty figures, we would need a force at least half a million strong to bear the human cost of 38,000 casualties.
According to extrapolated date from a 2017 poll, approximately 18 million Americans are White nationalists/agreed with the alt right.
18 million men & women, or 12 million (assuming a third are unfit for combat) could probably do it. I debated including women but ultimately reasoned that women can and have played supporting roles in modern warfare, especially insurgencies
If they were all mobilized at once.

The trouble is that agreeing with the alt right on an anonymous poll is different from being willing to kill or die for the cause of White freedom. Harold Covington presented a very good plan on how to achieve this at far lower human cost. Yet he couldn't even get White people to move to the PNW in sufficient numbers. Given this, I'd be surprised if even 1% of these online alt-righters would have what it takes to wage war. Still, that's 180,000 potential revolutionaries. That's not nothing. That, I think, is what the regime truly fears.

>>4820
As an addendum, the poll in question did not specify whether it excluded non-Whites. If it didn't, the potential pool of White nationalists is actually ~36 million. Interestingly, this would give a White insurgency just enough manpower to suffer 38,000 casualties and still be combat effective with a withering but technically survivable 10% casualty rate. Especially considering that these casualties would be lost over the course of decades.

>>4820
I don't mean control the airports, I mean shut them down. Make sure they don't get supplies. The Viet Cong seemed to be trying to take the airport, I'm talking about making it as hard as possible for kikes to escape. Trying to hold territory instead of forcing the enemy to follow you into an ambush just seems like a waste of men to me.

Also, our soldiers in Vietnam had different motivations. They thought they were protecting America from evil. Whereas any nigger or beaner who gets sent to fight us is fighting for a green card and a welfare check. Most of them come here because they don't have to kill and avoid getting killed. As soon as America becomes a warzone, those pussies won't know where to go, and trusting the government would be a risk on top of the other risks. Next time you see an illegal immigrant, ask yourself if that brownie would risk getting blown up for a green card.

>However, that's, say, 20% less effective on top of the most overwhelming firepower on earth.
Modern warfare is mostly teamwork. I went to school with niggers and they can't even play whisper down the lane right. They will find a way to fuck up firing the most badass weapons. Also, if we spray the niggers with chimp-out chemicals, they will kill each other. Causing the enemy attrition at every opportunity would make it very inefficient for them to advance across America. 
>>4821
>Interestingly, this would give a White insurgency just enough manpower to suffer 38,000 casualties and still be combat effective with a withering but technically survivable 10% casualty rate.
38,000 losses is actually a little more than .5% of 36,000,000. That's a loss rate of 5 or so per 1,000.

We should aim to cause them 15 losses for every loss they cause us. That would score recruits.

Also, if we stopped feeding the nons, most of them would starve. The ones who don't starve would actually be the ones who want to fight us the least by then. Holding off the nigger and beaner invasion for 2 months would cause them massive damage. My propositions mostly center around slowing the enemy and buying time. Worst case scenario, we hold them at a stalemate (where neither force can advance) for long enough to raise a free generation raised on goals of expansion against the inferior Races.

>>4823
>I don't mean control the airports, I mean shut them down.
Fair enough.
In 1995, I believe, the IRA began launching dummy mortars at airports. This shut them down for a few hours each time. But never continuously. We'd never be able to do that. Any jews who seriously wanted to escape to Israel could easily do so.
A cheap drone can also shut down an airport. So to can a b*mb threat issued from a throwaway phone. It doesn't even need to be real. They have to shut it down to check. 
>Oy veh! The Goyim are shutting it down now!
Alternatively, radio jamming devices could interfere with airtraffic. Or even just a few rounds popped off in the general direction.

I don't believe that the average GI was particularly motivated. However, you do raise a good point. I was contemplating the Rhodesian War recently. While the Rhodesians scored some high KDRs, the sad truth is that the blacks employed a winning strategy. The gruesome torture and murder of Whites convinced approximately 1000 Whites to flee the country every month (by 1978). For a population of only 300,000, this is devastating. THAT alone achieved more real gain than any of the other guerrilla activities.

>38,000 losses is actually a little more than .5% of 36,000,000
I am assuming only 1% participation rate for those 36 million. I should have made that more clear.
>We should aim to cause them 15 losses for every loss they cause us
Interestingly, the IRA was able to inflict 3 kills for every 1 loss. That's 3 soldiers dead for every 1 insurgent. That is downright impressive by any standard and represents the supreme skill of the PIRA veteran soldier.
Compare this with the losses the black insurgents in Rhodesia suffered. Officially 10 dead insurgents for every 1 Rhodesian soldier killed. This is the norm.
Sadly, 15 v 1 KDR is extremely unrealistic against hard targets. Though against soft targets is believable. But then, we must also remember that White people have soft targets too.

>>4826
>The gruesome torture and murder of Whites convinced approximately 1000 Whites to flee the country every month (by 1978).
So they were afraid of dying and getting fucked in the ass by niggers? How can we think of something more gruesome but less faggoty? Dip them in chemicals? Cut their dicks off? Oh, make them pick cotton! We'll figure it out eventually. Niggers are always saying "muh dick," so maybe that's what's most important to them. We know niggers don't care about their kids.

>>4827
>So they were afraid of dying and getting fucked in the ass by niggers?
With broken glass bottles. Or being tied together with their families, doused with gasoline, and set on fire. The stories of what they did to innocent White farmers is gut wrenching.

>>4828
Cut niggers dicks off and force them to eat each other's dicks. Starve nigger women to death. Do scientific experiments on niggers. Drop niggers deep in Canada and make them eat each other on their way back. Cripple niggers. Partially crush niggers. Throw niggers from a height where they can just barely survive. Feed niggers to doggies. Feed niggers to piggies. Feed niggers to the tigers from the zoo. Force niggers to drink booze until they die while we make them listen to us tell them how stupid they are for not going back to niggerland. Make niggers rape each other to death. Conduct psyops on niggers.

Force beaners to make chink food. Force beaners to listen to backwards mariachi music. Make beaners fight bears for a green card. Overdose beaners on cocaine. Periodically cook beaners in their own cells. Throw beaners in a volcano. Force beaners to play shitty video games. Tell beaner prisoners they can go home when all other enemy combatants go home. Make half of the beaner women ugly and the other half not ugly and see if they fuck each other's women. Force beaners to vote in elections that don't matter. Force beaners to suicide bomb niggers. Inject beaners and don't tell them what you injected them with.

As for chinks? Make them take tests without cheating.

How effective will doggoes be in terrifying niggers and reducing our losses? Dogs reach full size at two years at most. There are also too many dogs. We could take the shittiest dogs and send them to kill niggers. Then we only breed the best dogs. We could steal dogs from niggers (all niggers abuse dogs and children) and send them to kill niggers for revenge. Are dogs as much of a game changer as I'm thinking?

>>4811 (OP) 
Every time I hear about the personnel of the US armed forces it’s always something bad.

>Noone wants to join, recruitment is extremely difficult.
>Trying to increase bonuses for joining but they’re so pathetically low.
>Of those who left the service, they’re telling people not to join.
>Woke ad campaigns like the “I have two moms” rainbow one.
>DEI hires being incompetent but still promoted.
>Whites do the work while shitskins do nothing.
>Waste time with diversity training.
>Not enough time doing actual military training.
>Demoralization after Afganistan’s failed withdrawal.

If there was another civil war in America I don’t think the armed forces would remain stable. They’d have to deal with defections, intelligence leaks, assassinations, sabotage, desertions, theft, manpower shortages, a competency crisis, power struggles, just to name a few problems. How many of the shitskins are there for an easy paycheck and are actually willing to fight and die to protect a country they hate? If a militia sneezed in their direction, would US forces abandon their positions en masse like the Afganis did when the US pulled out, leaving behind an armada of weaponry? 

The polar opposite could be true however, that all the good men have left the military and so the only ones remaining will just blindly follow whatever orders they’re given. A DEI army with the worlds best weaponry is still a major threat. As other anons have mentioned, foreign forces may also try to play “peacekeeper” with varying results.

>>4834
Niggers will attack each other over the most petty of reasons. One will accidentally step on another’s toes or bump into the dumbass standing in a doorway blocking foot traffic, and within 2 minutes there has been a fight and one of them is dead and the other is trying to flee from police. I’m honestly not even sure we would have to go and kill them, we’d just have to stop feeding the animals and they’d start attacking others over food and resources. The 2020 BLM riots had at least a dozen dead niggers. The gang violence is an epidemic that noone can put an end to. Who knows how many died during Hurricane Katrina from nigger infighting? Turn off the power, turn off the water, turn off EBT. They can’t turn any of those things back on. Once they loot the businesses in their immediate vicinity, there would be nothing left for them. They’d be at the mercy of whatever pathologically altruistic whites think it’s a good idea to go and try to feed them, and as Katrina showed, that’s a fucking mistake and at best the whites would be shot at and looted. Trying to keep them alive and docile would be a massive drain on manpower and supplies during a war effort.

>>4835
>They’d be at the mercy of whatever pathologically altruistic whites think it’s a good idea to go and try to feed them
That's why building a wall without gates (even if it's just a tall pile of dirt) is probably necessary.

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>>4835
I hope very much that the first possibility is accurate.
Ideally, all White personnel will begin forming clandestine societies within the military today and when the order comes down to enforce some new anti-White edict, the White officers corral the niggers and spics together, shoot them, and then march on the Pentagon, the FBI, and Congress, arresting the enemy in 1 fell swoop. 
Less ideal is that nothing is done and when the order comes down to enforce land redistribution, White soldiers are uncomfortable but have no choice but to obey orders until a White insurgency gets its act together. Then, soldiers can reach out to or be contacted by the insurgency to deliver them weapons. The nigger-spic hordes are only interested in looting so their military potential is serious but not impossible to defeat conventionally.

Less ideal further is that the cuckservative White idiots who like clicking their heels and saying "yessir" continue to serve their masters because that's what they're trained to do. House wiggers. Goyim.
Thus, when the order comes down to start shooting racist thought-criminals, they will pursue this bloody task with the same mindless gusto as they slaughtered Iraqis. Though they might find more competent enemies, the rebels could not expect to win any 1 to 1 conflict against drones and helicopters. Still, some soldiers of greater moral character may still aid the rebels in what ways the can. Through information leaks mostly.
Worst case scenario is that White dissidents fail to form a viable insurgency at all. There is nothing for soldiers to defect to or aid. Therefore, even those few who do disapprove of land confiscation will either follow orders or die. Sure, a few loners may shoot up a substation but that is not a movement, nor anything a soldier can aid.